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1. 01:18 AM - Re: ignition problem (Bob 1)
2. 01:57 AM - Re: ignition problem (Jim Sears)
3. 07:15 AM - Re: ignition problem (Scott Bilinski)
4. 07:18 AM - Re: ignition problem (Scott Bilinski)
5. 07:26 AM - RV-6 Drawings (knology)
6. 08:27 AM - Re: ignition problem (Kyle Boatright)
7. 09:17 AM - Mags v EI (John)
8. 09:19 AM - Re: ignition problem (Bob 1)
9. 09:58 AM - Re: ignition problem (Shemp)
10. 10:22 AM - Re: ignition problem (Skylor Piper)
11. 01:42 PM - Builder's Groups (Tedd McHenry)
12. 02:55 PM - Re: RV-6 Drawings (Dan DeNeal)
13. 05:41 PM - michigan flyers/builders around? (RV8ter@aol.com)
14. 07:14 PM - Re: Hot start (was: Ignition problem) (Dave Bristol)
15. 07:34 PM - Re: Hot start (was: Ignition problem) (Dan Checkoway)
16. 08:47 PM - Re: Builder's Groups (Are Barstad)
17. 09:53 PM - RV-List Fly-in EVERYONE WELCOME (smoothweasel@juno.com)
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| Subject: | Re: ignition problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a@comcast.net>
> The "IO" factor plays a big part in the equation, especially with the AFP
> injection and matched injectors like Scott's talking about.
>
> You can pull that puppy LOP and it'll run smooth and cool...burning a heck
> of a lot less fuel than any "O" engine will at the same MP/RPM setting,
> since the carb'd setup is pretty much forced to run ROP.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Now your hitting the nail on the head !!!!!!
*IF* one is willing to sacrifice cruise speed flying at 50-55% power...
*IF* one has F.I. with matched injectors....
Then one can run LOP for x.x fuel savings with E.I.
At 70-75% power, meaningful savings are not gonna be
there, with or without the LOP techniques. Further....
I've seen more than one engine trashed by hotshots
running LOP and going fast at the same time.
You can buy a lot of gas for the price of an engine.
Anyhow...
I'm a poor magneto jockey with a carb and a small retirement check
Auto fuel at 8 gph is my game most of the time. Beer budget all the way.
No way can I afford or justify FI, Gami injectors and two EI to save a buck
or two an hour running LOP if I was willing to SLOW DOWN in the first place.
Chances are excellent I won't fly enough to recover the costs through any
potential fuel savings. For me, I have an RV to GO FAST. No way am I gonna
slow down to 55% LOP power, even if I had the money to buy all the toys,
bells and whistles.
YMMV....
Literally.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: ignition problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
> Anyhow...
> I'm a poor magneto jockey with a carb and a small retirement check
> Auto fuel at 8 gph is my game most of the time. Beer budget all the way.
>
Bob, that's how I've operated for a long time. Even before I was retired, I
ran auto gas in my engines at about 8 gallons per hour. At .4 gallons
savings per hour at the current $1.65 per gallon for Shell auto gas, I could
never use fuel savings to justify EI. Like Gary, I've had good luck with my
mags. I never replaced a mag in the C172 I had. I did replace both mags in
the Cheetah I had; but, both were well past their TBOs for throw aways. The
Slicks I have now are fairly new; so, I expect a long time before
replacement, if ever by me.
> No way can I afford or justify FI, Gami injectors and two EI to save a
buck
> or two an hour running LOP if I was willing to SLOW DOWN in the first
place.
> Chances are excellent I won't fly enough to recover the costs through any
> potential fuel savings. For me, I have an RV to GO FAST. No way am I gonna
> slow down to 55% LOP power, even if I had the money to buy all the toys,
> bells and whistles.
>
Same here.
Granted, it's good that we have builders who can justify EI to themselves.
Eventually, the cost may come down to that of mags; and, some of the
potential problems of installation may be eliminated by better instructions,
etc. Then, and only then, can I justify EI to myself. One side benefit of
having mags is that about any A&P/IA worth his/her salt is going to know and
understand mags. My thinking is that EI is fairly new to most of our
aircraft; so, they may not be so privy to that. If I'm paying someone to
fix an ignition problem, I'd rather they work on something they know so that
the time to repair is less. That equals a smaller bill.
We guys on a tight budget do well to afford a simple airplane; so, we have
to let those with more loose change experiment with the newer toys. That
eventually gets the prices down, hopefully, so that us poorer guys can
benefit. I'd say EI, glass panels, etc. will be standard equipment on most
aircraft, one day. Right now, I'm going to have to spend my money on those
things that I can depend on working for lesser dollars. Mags and good
quality steam gauges fill that bill. I can use the savings from purchasing
those to help make up for that .4 gallons per hour I'll not have by using
mags. Of course, I guess one could go back to work to afford those nicer
things. Yeah, sure. :-)
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317
EAA Tech Counselor
EAA Flight Advisor
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| Subject: | Re: ignition problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
All I can say is 160 kts true 7GPH in a RV-8a, IO-360 180 HP. Those numbers
have been verified.
At 03:25 PM 7/2/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>Yes, and I can burn the same or less than a friend with a O-320 and me
>with a O-360, with mags,depends on many things, such as how well
>an airplane is built, power settings, props, altitude etc. You are not
>saving 1.5 gallons an hour with EI. I also have friends with
>them and they say no fuel saving at all.
>
>Jerry
>
>Scott Bilinski wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> >I flew with a friend, him, a stock O-360. Me an IO-360 with dual EI and
> >injectors matched. Him and RV-8 me an RV-8a. I use 1.5 gallons less per
> hour.
> >
> >
> >At 12:47 PM 7/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a@comcast.net>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: Lwfeatherston@aol.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I have no
> >>>scientific proof, but it is my sincere opinion that Klaus was absolutely
> >>>correct when he said I would save at least one gallon of fuel per hour,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>and never
> >>
> >>
> >>>have to worry about a mag going bad before it's 250 hr overhaul at about
> >>>$350 per.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>When you have SCIENTIFIC PROOF
> >>to back up sincere opinion.....
> >>please post.
> >>
> >>
> >>Bob - from the Show Me state
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Scott Bilinski
> >Eng dept 305
> >Phone (858) 657-2536
> >Pager (858) 502-5190
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: ignition problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>"Look at other posts to prove that you will NOT save any fuel with the EI."
This does not make sense, a more powerful ignition can ignite a leaner
mixture than mags can.
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "knology" <edchristian@knology.net>
Does anybody have some good drawings of 6 so I can figure out paint scheme?
Downloaded DWG files from here, but cannot find anything to convert them =96
do not have CAD software (XP)
HYPERLINK
"http://www.vansairforce.net/faq.htm"http://www.vansairforce.net/faq.htm
Need something that works in paint or graphics program, JPEG, PNG
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: ignition problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
Also, don't forget that *appropriate* timing advance can increase power.
Mag's are typically set at 25 degrees of advance, which is a good
compromise. Electronic ignitions are not limited to one set-point.
Also, the CAFE foundation found that Electronic ignitions can deliver better
performance. This link will take you to their research page:
http://www.cafefoundation.org/research.htm
I think the real answer is that EI's do provide better performance, whether
you want power or fuel efficiency. They probably don't pay for themselves
which makes them like almost anything else in personal (?) aviation.
The other issues to address are reliability and servicability. My EI failed
at 25 hours, but has been flawless in 225 hours since. The problem is that
the parts are not easy to come by when compared to mag's, and this can leave
you up the proverbial creek if an EI failure catches you away from home...
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: ignition problem
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>
> >"Look at other posts to prove that you will NOT save any fuel with the
EI."
>
>
> This does not make sense, a more powerful ignition can ignite a leaner
> mixture than mags can.
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
If you're happy with mags, fine ! If you like EI, go for it.
I went to dual Lightspeed EI on the 160HP RV6A and here is what I found...I
don't care about any potential fuel savings, I just like electronic
thingies...
Flying always at 9,500 to 11,500 (airport is at 7,489ft) I see for several
years of flying these figures:
Matronics fuel flow meter shows 6.1 GPH
RPM at 2,300 , Manifold 'pressure' 23-in, power around 45%
TAS 175MPH in cruise, day in, and day out.
Top Speed, wood prop, max rpm 2,550, 205MPH TAS
Leaning aided by oxygen sensor in exhaust stack (Av-Mix unit)
This looks like another 'primer war' beginning !! Hooray !
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Re: ignition problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a@comcast.net>
> >"Look at other posts to prove that you will NOT save any fuel with the
EI."
>
>
> This does not make sense, a more powerful ignition can ignite a leaner
> mixture than mags can.
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
=====================================
There is far more to the story than just being able to
ignite a leaner mixture. The factors as I understand them,
are as follows...
E.I. without running in LOP mode saves no fuel.
LOP cannot be run SMOOTHLY without precise F.I....
i.e., that calls for calibrated injectors.... i.e. GAMI.
To keep an engine from frying at LOP with the special goodies...
one needs to remain at low power settings, i.e., below 65 % power.
For all this expense and trouble -
good luck SCIENTIFICALLY proving
more than .5 gph per hour fuel savings.
Lastly...
I THINK I remember reading that Lycoming does
not recommend or endorse this kind of LOP jazz.
I.E., it voids a Lycoming factory warranty.
Could be wrong.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: ignition problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Yeah but ei is cool.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Sears" <sears@searnet.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: ignition problem
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
>
>
> > Anyhow...
> > I'm a poor magneto jockey with a carb and a small retirement check
> > Auto fuel at 8 gph is my game most of the time. Beer budget all the way.
> >
>
> Bob, that's how I've operated for a long time. Even before I was retired,
I
> ran auto gas in my engines at about 8 gallons per hour. At .4 gallons
> savings per hour at the current $1.65 per gallon for Shell auto gas, I
could
> never use fuel savings to justify EI. Like Gary, I've had good luck with
my
> mags. I never replaced a mag in the C172 I had. I did replace both mags
in
> the Cheetah I had; but, both were well past their TBOs for throw aways.
The
> Slicks I have now are fairly new; so, I expect a long time before
> replacement, if ever by me.
>
> > No way can I afford or justify FI, Gami injectors and two EI to save a
> buck
> > or two an hour running LOP if I was willing to SLOW DOWN in the first
> place.
> > Chances are excellent I won't fly enough to recover the costs through
any
> > potential fuel savings. For me, I have an RV to GO FAST. No way am I
gonna
> > slow down to 55% LOP power, even if I had the money to buy all the toys,
> > bells and whistles.
> >
>
> Same here.
>
> Granted, it's good that we have builders who can justify EI to themselves.
> Eventually, the cost may come down to that of mags; and, some of the
> potential problems of installation may be eliminated by better
instructions,
> etc. Then, and only then, can I justify EI to myself. One side benefit
of
> having mags is that about any A&P/IA worth his/her salt is going to know
and
> understand mags. My thinking is that EI is fairly new to most of our
> aircraft; so, they may not be so privy to that. If I'm paying someone to
> fix an ignition problem, I'd rather they work on something they know so
that
> the time to repair is less. That equals a smaller bill.
>
> We guys on a tight budget do well to afford a simple airplane; so, we have
> to let those with more loose change experiment with the newer toys. That
> eventually gets the prices down, hopefully, so that us poorer guys can
> benefit. I'd say EI, glass panels, etc. will be standard equipment on
most
> aircraft, one day. Right now, I'm going to have to spend my money on
those
> things that I can depend on working for lesser dollars. Mags and good
> quality steam gauges fill that bill. I can use the savings from
purchasing
> those to help make up for that .4 gallons per hour I'll not have by using
> mags. Of course, I guess one could go back to work to afford those nicer
> things. Yeah, sure. :-)
>
> Jim Sears in KY
> RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
> RV-7A #70317
> EAA Tech Counselor
> EAA Flight Advisor
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ignition problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
> I've seen more than one engine trashed by hotshots
> running LOP and going fast at the same time.
> You can buy a lot of gas for the price of an engine.
This is a typical BS response to lean of peak
operations.
Tell me: Exactly how does LOP and higher power
settings hurt an engine? And how do you know that LOP
operations killed said engines?
Fact is, the mere act of operating LOP at 70-75% power
will not hurt an engine. Running engines at "factory
suggested" mixtures (50 ROP) at these power setting is
much harder on the engine than LOP (higher head temps,
higher ICP's)
The big IF is how the engine is leaned at higher power
settings. If you SLOWLY pull the mixture back from
rich to peak, you MIGHT abuse the engine. If you pull
the mixture quickly to LOP, then find peak from the
lean side and re-lean to 80 or so LOP, you won't hurt
it.
__________________________________
http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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| Subject: | Builder's Groups |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
I'm compiling a list of RV builder's groups for 24 Years of the RVator (to be
published this month). Here is my current list. If you know of a group that's
not on this list, or if you know that a group shown here has become defunct,
I'd appreciate it if you'd drop me a line off-list to let me know. I'm also
missing contact information for a few of the groups. If you can provide that
I'd also be very appreciative.
Thanks,
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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USA:
Air Capital RVators, Wichita, KS (Curtis McDonough)
Bay Area RVators, San Mateo, CA (Mitch Faatz)
Chicago Area RVators, Chicago, IL (Tom Barnes)
Florida Builders Group, Tampa, FL (Marshall Santi)
Kansas City RVators, Overland Park, KS (Kevin Vap)
New Mexico RV Builders
Ohio Valley RVators, Vincent, OH (Rick Gray)
Oklahoma Builders Group, Tulsa, OK (Alan Newby)
RV Builders Group of the Triad, Advance, NC (Larry Bowen)
RVators of the Carolinas, Matthews, NC (Bill Cruthers)
Rocky Mountain RVators, Aurora, CO (Doug Bloomberg)
Sacramento Builder's Group, Sacramento, CA (Ed Martinson)
Salt Lake RV Builders Group, West Valley, UT (Ron Caldwell)
Southeast RV Squardon
Tennessee Valley Builder's Group, Decatur, AL (Bob Butler)
VAF Arizona Wing
VAF Florida Wing (Laura Crook)
VAF Home Wing/EAA 105, Portland, OR (Randy Lervold)
VAF Meadowlake Squardon, Peyton, CO (Bill Vondane)
VAF Minnesota Wing, Hudson, WI (Doug Weiler)
VAF New England Wing, Ashland, MA (Ken Balch)
VAF Soutern California Wing, Los Angeles, CA (Paul Rosales)
VAF Southern Region, Lewisville, TX (Doug Reeves)
VAF Tri-State Wing, Loveland, OH (Curt Hoffman)
VAF Tri-State Wing, St. Charles, MO (Kevin Lowery)
Canada:
VAF Western Canada Wing, Surrey, BC (Tedd McHenry)
VAF Ontario Wing, Kitchener, ON (Terry Jantzi)
France:
Constructeurs amateurs de RV en France, La Teste de Buch (Jean-Claude Chauvet)
New Zealand:
Christchurch (James McPhee)
UK:
UK RV Squadron
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6 Drawings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot@yahoo.com>
Go back to Vans Web site (http://www.vansairforce.net/faq.htm) and scroll down to the pictures of 6's and 8's. Click on the rv6 picture and save it to your computer.
Dan
knology <edchristian@knology.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "knology"
Does anybody have some good drawings of 6 so I can figure out paint scheme?
Downloaded DWG files from here, but cannot find anything to convert them =96
do not have CAD software (XP)
HYPERLINK
"http://www.vansairforce.net/faq.htm"http://www.vansairforce.net/faq.htm
Need something that works in paint or graphics program, JPEG, PNG
Ed
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| Subject: | michigan flyers/builders around? |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Hello,
I'm in Mich for vacation this whole 4th of July week. Anyone flying/building
and don't mind a visitor drop me a line and save me from too many parties and
in law visiting - PLEASE!
I've not flown a GA plane around here so an RV orientation flight would be
sweet but I'd be very happy looking over a RV8s (which is what I'm finishing
up). If you have a Jeff Rose EI that would be really good for me to take a look
at. No one has one around where I live.
Thanks a bunch,
Lucky Macy
cp 610 348 4296
MI number where staying most of the time is 248 853 3038
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| Subject: | Re: Hot start (was: Ignition problem) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Hi Dan,
Just using the purge valve to shut the engine down tends to solve the
restart problems that you normally have with fuel injection. When you
shut down with the mixture control it usually leaves pressurized fuel in
the system which then leaks past the idle cutoff valve and into the
cylinders via the flow divider and injectors. While this won't
necessarily flood the engine it does leave it in an unknown condition
which can make restarting interesting. If you use the AFP purge valve to
stop the engine, it bypasses the residual pressure back to the tank
instead of letting it flow into the engine. This gives you a known
condition for every warm start.
I've used the purge valve (as a purge valve) only a couple of times
myself but having flown the airplane for quite a while before I
installed it I can tell you I wouldn't be without it! I used to dread
quick turnarounds because I almost always had to flood the engine first
then do a flooded start, but now every start is a piece of cake.
So, I guess even if you're not using it, you're using it? : >)
Dave
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>
>
>>before someone pipes in with the "holy grail" of heat soaked injected
>>Lycoming starting, please don't.
>>
>>
>
>Can't....resist....commenting.....must.....type.....response..... 8-)
>
>I have the Airflow Performance injection and purge valve system on my
>IO-360-A1B6. I thought the purge valve would be the coolest thing sinced
>sliced bread. Never use it.
>
>Well...until today. In Vegas, it was over 90F on the ground, and for the
>very first time in 150 hours, my engine got heat soaked badly enough to
>inhibit starting right up. It would kick and then die. Repeat x3,
>regardless of various attempts. I actually went ahead and used the purge
>valve as it's intended -- purge valve open, throttle & mixture firewalled,
>boost pump on for 20-30 sec, purge valve closed, mixture cutoff, crank --
>started right up. It really did help.
>
>Up until this point, hot starts have required very little effort, and I went
>from using the purge valve occasionally to not bothering and essentially
>never needing it. But I do see that in certain conditions it really does
>pay off.
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hot start (was: Ignition problem) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Just using the purge valve to shut the engine down tends to solve the
I *always* shut down with the purge valve, no exception.
> So, I guess even if you're not using it, you're using it? : >)
Yeah, true... 8-) I guess my "never use it" statement was more about using
it when starting.
)_( Dan
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| Subject: | Builder's Groups |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Are Barstad" <are_barstad@norlogic.com>
Group looks good to me. You need to change the name for VAF-OW Ontario Wing
from Terry Jantzi to me though (Are Barstad).
Are Barstad
President
www.ontariorvators.org
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry
Subject: RV-List: Builder's Groups
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
I'm compiling a list of RV builder's groups for 24 Years of the RVator (to
be
published this month). Here is my current list. If you know of a group
that's
not on this list, or if you know that a group shown here has become defunct,
I'd appreciate it if you'd drop me a line off-list to let me know. I'm also
missing contact information for a few of the groups. If you can provide
that
I'd also be very appreciative.
Thanks,
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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USA:
Air Capital RVators, Wichita, KS (Curtis McDonough)
Bay Area RVators, San Mateo, CA (Mitch Faatz)
Chicago Area RVators, Chicago, IL (Tom Barnes)
Florida Builders Group, Tampa, FL (Marshall Santi)
Kansas City RVators, Overland Park, KS (Kevin Vap)
New Mexico RV Builders
Ohio Valley RVators, Vincent, OH (Rick Gray)
Oklahoma Builders Group, Tulsa, OK (Alan Newby)
RV Builders Group of the Triad, Advance, NC (Larry Bowen)
RVators of the Carolinas, Matthews, NC (Bill Cruthers)
Rocky Mountain RVators, Aurora, CO (Doug Bloomberg)
Sacramento Builder's Group, Sacramento, CA (Ed Martinson)
Salt Lake RV Builders Group, West Valley, UT (Ron Caldwell)
Southeast RV Squardon
Tennessee Valley Builder's Group, Decatur, AL (Bob Butler)
VAF Arizona Wing
VAF Florida Wing (Laura Crook)
VAF Home Wing/EAA 105, Portland, OR (Randy Lervold)
VAF Meadowlake Squardon, Peyton, CO (Bill Vondane)
VAF Minnesota Wing, Hudson, WI (Doug Weiler)
VAF New England Wing, Ashland, MA (Ken Balch)
VAF Soutern California Wing, Los Angeles, CA (Paul Rosales)
VAF Southern Region, Lewisville, TX (Doug Reeves)
VAF Tri-State Wing, Loveland, OH (Curt Hoffman)
VAF Tri-State Wing, St. Charles, MO (Kevin Lowery)
Canada:
VAF Western Canada Wing, Surrey, BC (Tedd McHenry)
VAF Ontario Wing, Kitchener, ON (Terry Jantzi)
France:
Constructeurs amateurs de RV en France, La Teste de Buch (Jean-Claude
Chauvet)
New Zealand:
Christchurch (James McPhee)
UK:
UK RV Squadron
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| Subject: | RV-List Fly-in EVERYONE WELCOME |
--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
Hey Guys, Each and everyone of you are invited to come over for our
fly-in. This will be taking place over Oshkosh weekend so anyone that
is passing through the area to or from Oshkosh please feel free to stop
in. A Lunch will be provided at no cost!!!!! Bring anything that will
fly.........there will be RV's, Biplanes, a whole lot of taildraggers,
and some projects on display, including a Pitts, a Legal Eagle and
more......and a whole lot of guys hangin' round and talkin about planes.
If the weather is bad we will have it at the Macon, MS airport (20M).
Time: anytime after 7:00am......we will have doughnuts for the early
ones.
Location: Brooksville MS
Freq. 122.75
Coordinates: 33deg 16.199N
088deg 34.168W
Runway: 2500ft Grass North and South note: unobstructed app. from
South. and trees on the North end.
also note: 84ft tower located next to house.
Tel. 662 738 5666
Weasel
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