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1. 06:20 AM - Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
2. 06:52 AM - Amarillo (Bill VonDane)
3. 07:16 AM - defective video (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
4. 07:18 AM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Tedd McHenry)
5. 07:54 AM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Scott Bilinski)
6. 08:24 AM - For Sale: Airplane Jack (John Ammeter)
7. 09:26 AM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Denis Walsh)
8. 09:39 AM - Insurance Exclusions? (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
9. 09:58 AM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
10. 10:09 AM - Re: Insurance Exclusions? (John Helms)
11. 10:14 AM - Re: Insurance Exclusions? (Perry Rhoads)
12. 10:26 AM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Laird Owens)
13. 10:35 AM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Gordon and Marge)
14. 10:49 AM - Plexi Drilling Question (tacaruth@ralcorp.com)
15. 11:20 AM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (Scott Bilinski)
16. 01:04 PM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (Bobby Hester)
17. 01:27 PM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Tracy Crook)
18. 01:41 PM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (Scott Bilinski)
19. 02:03 PM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (Ben Cunningham)
20. 02:32 PM - [RV7Yahoo] Re: Plexi Drilling Question (Bobby Hester)
21. 02:33 PM - Cylinder head temps (Charlie)
22. 02:51 PM - Re: Insurance Exclusions? (RICKRV6@aol.com)
23. 03:25 PM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (tacaruth@ralcorp.com)
24. 03:54 PM - Re: [rv_list] Plexi Drilling Question (Wayne R. Couture)
25. 04:08 PM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (Bobby Hester)
26. 04:14 PM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (Kevin Horton)
27. 06:05 PM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (davercook)
28. 06:07 PM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Kevin Horton)
29. 07:18 PM - Oxygen sensor (Louis Willig)
30. 07:33 PM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Alex Peterson)
31. 08:08 PM - Re:Right Throttle--Left Throttle Thats The--- (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
32. 08:09 PM - Re: Oxygen sensor (Michael McGee)
33. 10:33 PM - Used Navaid for Sale ()
34. 11:17 PM - Re: Used Navaid for Sale (Stein Bruch)
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| Subject: | Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
OK you ole timers and vastly experienced pilots here goes.
I have been flying my 6 for the past 2 years left seat right throttle
for 1200 hours. Its as comfortable as comfortable can be. In preparation
for my 8, I have been flying right seat left throttle in the 6 just to
get a feel and begin a transition. After 10 or so of these awarkward
flights, I am now asking myself, " Why a left throttle in a tandem?"
I have no doubt I could soon become comfortable with the stick in the
right hand, but will I ever be able to write with my left hand? Push
buttons and turn knobs with my left hand as well as my right? I am
wondering why I shouldn't just put the throttle in the 8 on the right
side. My good friend Stu McCurdy has a neat pedestal arrangement on the
right floor holding up his kneeboard so he can easily write when flying.
Means he has to switch hands to do it. When flying in my 6, writing and
knob turning from the right seat meant switching hands. "Why am I
switching hands?" I ask myself. This is dumb.
I am sure there is some reason why all the military single seats are
right stick left throttle. Or are they? Am I missing some physiological
item here? Was the first plane designer a lefty and we have been stuck
with it all this time?
And I don't care about resale value so throw that out.
I look fwd to the discussion.
Mike Stewart
Got to order throttle quadrant and need advise.
Do not archive the question(pet peeve of mine on the list), but remove
for good responses.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Hi all...
I am planning a weekend trip to Amarillo in the 17th and 18th of July...
Can anyone out that way tell me a good place to fly in to, maybe with some
hangar space? Will also be looking for a cheap hotel and a car rental for
couple days...
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Some defective Annual Inspection DVDs:
We learned this weekend that about half of the new Annual
Inspection-Powerplant videos which were sent out over the last week are
defective.
At about 15 minutes into the presentation, (within the oil filter section),
the video will begin to sporadically pixilate and the audio will drop in and
out continuing throughout the rest of the program.
If you have a bad disk, please let me know by return e-mail
agold@buildersbooks.com or by phone at 800 780-4115, so that I can replace
it.
Andy
Builder's Bookstore
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| Subject: | Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Mike:
> I am sure there is some reason why all the military single seats are
> right stick left throttle. Or are they? Am I missing some physiological
> item here? Was the first plane designer a lefty and we have been stuck
> with it all this time?
On military jets, the left hand controls power and configuration while the
right hand controls attitude. It's always done that way because the military
likes standardization, and it probably started that way because early designers
and pilots were mostly right-handed.
I can appreciate your not wanting to switch from what you have the most
experience with. All my early flying was with the military configuration, and
I doubt I'll ever feel comfortable the other way. (Some people say they
quickly learned to change hands. I say you don't know until you try formation.
If someone flies formation well both ways, with equal comfort, then they've
made the switch.)
The military power-configuration-attitude division works very well. I
recommend that if you decide to put the throttle on the right you reverse
everything, so that you control power and configuration with your right hand
and attitude with your left hand.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I have only flown rental planes until my 8a was done. The transition to a
stick and throttle on the left was, is, and felt the most natural way for
me to fly. The controls in the rentals have always felt awkward. The beauty
of an experimental is you can make it any way you want so just make your
self happy. Thinking back, you did mention flying from the right I dont
think this would be a fair comparison to sitting on the center line as in an 8.
At 09:11 AM 7/6/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>OK you ole timers and vastly experienced pilots here goes.
>
>
>I have been flying my 6 for the past 2 years left seat right throttle
>for 1200 hours. Its as comfortable as comfortable can be. In preparation
>for my 8, I have been flying right seat left throttle in the 6 just to
>get a feel and begin a transition. After 10 or so of these awarkward
>flights, I am now asking myself, " Why a left throttle in a tandem?"
>
>
>I have no doubt I could soon become comfortable with the stick in the
>right hand, but will I ever be able to write with my left hand? Push
>buttons and turn knobs with my left hand as well as my right? I am
>wondering why I shouldn't just put the throttle in the 8 on the right
>side. My good friend Stu McCurdy has a neat pedestal arrangement on the
>right floor holding up his kneeboard so he can easily write when flying.
>Means he has to switch hands to do it. When flying in my 6, writing and
>knob turning from the right seat meant switching hands. "Why am I
>switching hands?" I ask myself. This is dumb.
>
>
>I am sure there is some reason why all the military single seats are
>right stick left throttle. Or are they? Am I missing some physiological
>item here? Was the first plane designer a lefty and we have been stuck
>with it all this time?
>
>
>And I don't care about resale value so throw that out.
>
>I look fwd to the discussion.
>
>
>Mike Stewart
>
>Got to order throttle quadrant and need advise.
>
>Do not archive the question(pet peeve of mine on the list), but remove
>for good responses.
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | For Sale: Airplane Jack |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Ammeter <jammeter@comcast.net>
I've got a Wing Jack suitable for raising a wing on an RV
Aircraft for changing a tire, etc.
It's a tall jack with three bracing legs. It easily lifts
an RV-6; at least, it certainly worked well with mine...
I'm in the Seattle area but would rather not have to package
it for shipping.
I'd take $100 for it FOB my house in Seattle or can deliver
to Seattle, Tacoma, Kitsap Peninsula or Port Townsend
area... for cost of gas.
Also have Lycoming starter and Lycoming CS adapter for
sale...
John Ammeter
jammeter@comcast.net
206-525-5445
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
The first successful pilot of a powered airplane steered with his arse.
I have flown all other combinations, and agree with you the plans built
6 is the best all around for me. On the other hand (subtle pun) I have
always been somewhat ambidextrous. This came in handy when switching
from co pilot to pilot, from stick to yoke and from throttle left to
right etc. For most of us, it is a matter of preference and the joy of
building a custom airplane. For fighter pilots (and clones) right
stick is an obsession, not totally illogical.
Don't try to understand fighter pilot thinking. It does not apply to
us normal mortals. For one thing they have to do one helluva a lot
more multiple tasking than you could imagine. Reach and feel is
everything when you don't want to take your eyes off "aiming" to do
anything with your hands. Aiming includes formation, refueling,
landing, bombing ACm, you name it. Bomber guys on the other hand
always have other crewmembers to help, and must learn to fly from any
position, including the jump seat, to survive. If you work your way up
to an airline job you better be able to fly any conceivable mess of
controls and indicators. those that I have known are almost instantly
adaptable.
Todd has come up with an excellent barometer. Try formation with your
desired configuration.
Having said all that if I were building an 8 I would set it up just
like Stu's. You never know when you might want to sell it to a fighter
pilot or wannabe!
D walsh, not a fighter pilot but always wanted to be one. I only
have 2500 hours with a stick. The rest is with yoke and scattered
other controls.
On Jul 6, 2004, at 8:18 AM, Tedd McHenry wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
> Mike:
>
>> I am sure there is some reason why all the military single seats are
>> right stick left throttle. Or are they? Am I missing some
>> physiological
>> item here? Was the first plane designer a lefty and we have been stuck
>> with it all this time?
>
> On military jets, the left hand controls power and configuration while
> the
> right hand controls attitude. It's always done that way because the
> military
> likes standardization, and it probably started that way because early
> designers
> and pilots were mostly right-handed.
>
> I can appreciate your not wanting to switch from what you have the most
> experience with. All my early flying was with the military
> configuration, and
> I doubt I'll ever feel comfortable the other way. (Some people say
> they
> quickly learned to change hands. I say you don't know until you try
> formation.
> If someone flies formation well both ways, with equal comfort, then
> they've
> made the switch.)
>
> The military power-configuration-attitude division works very well. I
> recommend that if you decide to put the throttle on the right you
> reverse
> everything, so that you control power and configuration with your
> right hand
> and attitude with your left hand.
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Surrey, BC, Canada
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Insurance Exclusions? |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
In my insurance policy, PART TWO - EXCLUSIONS, I read the following sentence:
This insurance does not apply:
2. to any claim YOU, YOUR survivors or YOUR estate makes for BODILY INJURY or
death to YOU.
Does anyone else have this same exclusion in their policy?
I believe this means that as the aircraft and policy owner I am NEVER covered
for bodily injury, since it is part of the liability coverage.
It doesn't matter if I have a single place, two place or four place aircraft,
as the policy/aircraft owner I am not covered by the liability bodily injury
portion of the aircraft insurance policy.
My policy also allows $1,000 medical coverage. But that's medical coverage,
not liability coverage.
If your policy reads the same as mine, it might be worth knowing when you
think about the first flight of your airplane.
A "non owner" (flight test pilot) flying your airplane is covered by the
bodily injury portion of your liability insurance, while, being the "owner", you
are not covered by the liability bodily injury portion of the same policy.
Jim Ayers
EAA Flight Advisor
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| Subject: | Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Let me be a little clearer.
I feel the finesse of flying the plane can be done with either hand,
both stick and throttle.
But other duties, like writing, knob turning, button pushing and so
forth, will always be bad with the weak hand. When bumping around in the
soup for example and getting new freqs, or pulling up the approach in a
430, when accuracy and feel are critical, would you want to put stick in
left hand and do those functions with the right?
Why not just rig the plane for left stick right throttle, right hand
free to do the things its really good at, keep the stick is the left
hand, and do those writing/knob pushing items with the right/strong
hand.
I write a lot. Notes, weather, formation debrief items, frequencies,
etc...
When flying right seat in my 6 and trying to get the right airport and
frequency into the Garmin 430 for example, It was a bear as my left hand
just plays dumb and cant do it well. I can whiz bang through it no
problem with my right hand, but the left just is not as cooperative.
You guys flying right hand stick left hand throttle, don't you find
yourself swapping hands around for this stuff?
I have never swapped my hand for anything in my 6 flying left seat.
Maybe you think I am making a big tado about nothing. Just do what I
want and be done with it. Well.... If I don't get a good reason to do
otherwise, that's exactly what I am gonna do.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
Subject: Re: RV-List: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ?
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I have only flown rental planes until my 8a was done. The transition to
a
stick and throttle on the left was, is, and felt the most natural way
for
me to fly. The controls in the rentals have always felt awkward. The
beauty
of an experimental is you can make it any way you want so just make your
self happy. Thinking back, you did mention flying from the right I dont
think this would be a fair comparison to sitting on the center line as
in an 8.
At 09:11 AM 7/6/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>OK you ole timers and vastly experienced pilots here goes.
>
>
>I have been flying my 6 for the past 2 years left seat right throttle
>for 1200 hours. Its as comfortable as comfortable can be. In
preparation
>for my 8, I have been flying right seat left throttle in the 6 just to
>get a feel and begin a transition. After 10 or so of these awarkward
>flights, I am now asking myself, " Why a left throttle in a tandem?"
>
>
>I have no doubt I could soon become comfortable with the stick in the
>right hand, but will I ever be able to write with my left hand? Push
>buttons and turn knobs with my left hand as well as my right? I am
>wondering why I shouldn't just put the throttle in the 8 on the right
>side. My good friend Stu McCurdy has a neat pedestal arrangement on the
>right floor holding up his kneeboard so he can easily write when
flying.
>Means he has to switch hands to do it. When flying in my 6, writing and
>knob turning from the right seat meant switching hands. "Why am I
>switching hands?" I ask myself. This is dumb.
>
>
>I am sure there is some reason why all the military single seats are
>right stick left throttle. Or are they? Am I missing some physiological
>item here? Was the first plane designer a lefty and we have been stuck
>with it all this time?
>
>
>And I don't care about resale value so throw that out.
>
>I look fwd to the discussion.
>
>
>Mike Stewart
>
>Got to order throttle quadrant and need advise.
>
>Do not archive the question(pet peeve of mine on the list), but remove
>for good responses.
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
==
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==
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Exclusions? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
It's that way on all aviation policies. You, as the owner, purchase the liability
portion of your insurance coverage to protect yourself from lawsuits from
others that arise out of the use of or the ownership of your plane. The liability
coverage is not designed to be a life or health policy for you (the owner).
The medical coverages normally are afforded to the owner. That is because most
companies include the crew for that coverage.
Just to throw a wrench into things, the typical Life Insurance policy excludes coverage while you are operating an aircraft or are a passenger of an unscheduled flight. Normally, they will include coverage for you while you are flying as a passenger on a commercial airline. There are very few policies which don't address that issue. www.piclife.com is a website I've referred pilots to for years. The agent is an Allstate agent, and at least the last time I heard, he was the only Allstate agent in the country who could add coverage for aircraft owners thru Allstate.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:38 AM
Subject: RV-List: Insurance Exclusions?
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
In my insurance policy, PART TWO - EXCLUSIONS, I read the following sentence:
This insurance does not apply:
2. to any claim YOU, YOUR survivors or YOUR estate makes for BODILY INJURY or
death to YOU.
Does anyone else have this same exclusion in their policy?
I believe this means that as the aircraft and policy owner I am NEVER covered
for bodily injury, since it is part of the liability coverage.
It doesn't matter if I have a single place, two place or four place aircraft,
as the policy/aircraft owner I am not covered by the liability bodily injury
portion of the aircraft insurance policy.
My policy also allows $1,000 medical coverage. But that's medical coverage,
not liability coverage.
If your policy reads the same as mine, it might be worth knowing when you
think about the first flight of your airplane.
A "non owner" (flight test pilot) flying your airplane is covered by the
bodily injury portion of your liability insurance, while, being the "owner",
you
are not covered by the liability bodily injury portion of the same policy.
Jim Ayers
EAA Flight Advisor
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Exclusions? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Perry Rhoads" <perryrhoads@ctnet.net>
All this is telling you is that you can't be liable to yourself. If you kill
yourself in your airplane, the Bodily Injury doesn't apply.
You still have Bodily Injury protection if you injure or kill someone else
with your aircraft.
ALL liability policies( auto, general liability, homeowners,etc) read this
way, as they should.
Perry Rhoads
RV-3
N96GW
----- Original Message -----
From: <LeastDrag93066@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Insurance Exclusions?
> --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
> Hi All,
>
> In my insurance policy, PART TWO - EXCLUSIONS, I read the following
sentence:
>
> This insurance does not apply:
> 2. to any claim YOU, YOUR survivors or YOUR estate makes for BODILY INJURY
or
> death to YOU.
>
> Does anyone else have this same exclusion in their policy?
>
> I believe this means that as the aircraft and policy owner I am NEVER
covered
> for bodily injury, since it is part of the liability coverage.
> It doesn't matter if I have a single place, two place or four place
aircraft,
> as the policy/aircraft owner I am not covered by the liability bodily
injury
> portion of the aircraft insurance policy.
>
> My policy also allows $1,000 medical coverage. But that's medical
coverage,
> not liability coverage.
>
> If your policy reads the same as mine, it might be worth knowing when you
> think about the first flight of your airplane.
>
> A "non owner" (flight test pilot) flying your airplane is covered by the
> bodily injury portion of your liability insurance, while, being the
"owner", you
> are not covered by the liability bodily injury portion of the same policy.
>
> Jim Ayers
> EAA Flight Advisor
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Mike,
I'll relate one tidbit on this.
I have my RV-6 set up with the engine controls on the left.
Personally, I like flying that way, as it feels more natural. And I
was used to flying Decathlons.
When I went up to fly with Mike Seager at Vernonia, 66VA was set up
with center controls. The first day, I was having to really think
about what hand was doing what. Second day, I was flying about an hour
before I realized that I hadn't even thought about it. So I adapted
pretty quickly. I'm sure you would as well to flying with either hand.
I don't find changing radios or copying clearances to be any issue at
all. You not usually playing with the throttle when you doing that
stuff, and the left hand will fly just fine. YMMV.
Laird RV-6 950 hrs and holding (awaiting LyCon to deliver my rebuilt
O-360)
SoCal
On Jul 6, 2004, at 6:11 AM, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
> <mstewart@iss.net>
>
> OK you ole timers and vastly experienced pilots here goes.
>
>
> I have been flying my 6 for the past 2 years left seat right throttle
> for 1200 hours. Its as comfortable as comfortable can be. In
> preparation
> for my 8, I have been flying right seat left throttle in the 6 just to
> get a feel and begin a transition. After 10 or so of these awarkward
> flights, I am now asking myself, " Why a left throttle in a tandem?"
>
>
> I have no doubt I could soon become comfortable with the stick in the
> right hand, but will I ever be able to write with my left hand? Push
> buttons and turn knobs with my left hand as well as my right? I am
> wondering why I shouldn't just put the throttle in the 8 on the right
> side. My good friend Stu McCurdy has a neat pedestal arrangement on the
> right floor holding up his kneeboard so he can easily write when
> flying.
> Means he has to switch hands to do it. When flying in my 6, writing and
> knob turning from the right seat meant switching hands. "Why am I
> switching hands?" I ask myself. This is dumb.
>
>
> I am sure there is some reason why all the military single seats are
> right stick left throttle. Or are they? Am I missing some physiological
> item here? Was the first plane designer a lefty and we have been stuck
> with it all this time?
>
>
> And I don't care about resale value so throw that out.
>
> I look fwd to the discussion.
>
>
> Mike Stewart
>
> Got to order throttle quadrant and need advise.
>
> Do not archive the question(pet peeve of mine on the list), but remove
> for good responses.
>
>
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| Subject: | Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Subject: RV-List: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ?
OK you ole timers and vastly experienced pilots here goes.
I have been flying my 6 for the past 2 years left seat right throttle
for 1200 hours. Its as comfortable as comfortable can be. In preparation
for my 8, I have been flying right seat left throttle in the 6 just to
get a feel and begin a transition. After 10 or so of these awarkward
flights, I am now asking myself, " Why a left throttle in a tandem?"
I have no doubt I could soon become comfortable with the stick in the
right hand, but will I ever be able to write with my left hand? Push
buttons and turn knobs with my left hand as well as my right? I am
wondering why I shouldn't just put the throttle in the 8 on the right
side. My good friend Stu McCurdy has a neat pedestal arrangement on the
right floor holding up his kneeboard so he can easily write when flying.
Means he has to switch hands to do it. When flying in my 6, writing and
knob turning from the right seat meant switching hands. "Why am I
switching hands?" I ask myself. This is dumb.
---
Michael: I started flying in Air Knockers--left throttle, control
stick. Later, Cessna 140, right throttle, left hand control wheel.
Then a Fairchild 24W, right throttle, left hand control stick, but to
start with in that airplane I flew from the right seat, left throttle
and right hand on the stick because the instructor needed to have the
only brakes until he thought I would not likely groundloop it. I never
became very comfortable in the right seat, perhaps because I was there
for only a few hours. I flew the RV-9, left hand stick, right hand
throttle. Gliders had no throttle so either hand on the stick. Quite a
few hours in conventional 4/6 place aircraft.
The point of all this is that it probably doesn't matter a whole lot.
If you have not flown much from the right seat (in anything), that may
be part of the source of your discomfort. Much has been made of the
need to switch hands when performing various tasks but I have found it
to be absolutely a non problem. The switch occurs without thought and
essentially as quickly as if you had not switched hands. It is difficult
to design a cockpit where switching hands is not required, at least
occasionally. The configuration that does not appeal to me is one where
side sticks are used because the switching hands option is not really
available. I have only flown a glider with this arrangement.
Again, it probably doesn't matter very much which way you go. It might
be helpful to spend some time thinking about various flight conditions,
short flights, long flights, radio use, need to write things down, and
consider where your hands will be most comfortable all things
considered.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Plexi Drilling Question |
07/06/2004 12:49:01 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
Hi All,
I've been working on my sliding canopy and am at the point of final
drilling the holes for the pop rivets around the front frame. I've
followed the instructions and have pilot drilled the holes with a #40 drill
bit and have countersunk to the proper depth. The problem I'm having is
choosing the final drill size for these holes. A 5/32" plexiglass bit
makes too large a hole as the rivet does not have enough shoulder for the
rivet head to rest on. A 1/8" plexiglass bit is too small. My unibit has
1/32" steps which are either too small or too large. When I called Van's
with this question, they said to use a #27 or #28 bit. That's great except
for their warnings about using a standard drill bit to enlarge a hole. A
call to Cleveland Tools got the advise to use a #28 that had been dulled
with a sharpening stone. What have others done? Van's instructions seem
to lead a builder to a no-win situation.
Thanks in advance,
Tom, RV-7A, slo-build
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
With a grinding wheel grind off the cutting edge of the drill. This will
turn it into more like a scraper, worked great for me. I got this info in a
plastics class I had in college.......a few years ago.
At 12:46 PM 7/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I've been working on my sliding canopy and am at the point of final
>drilling the holes for the pop rivets around the front frame. I've
>followed the instructions and have pilot drilled the holes with a #40 drill
>bit and have countersunk to the proper depth. The problem I'm having is
>choosing the final drill size for these holes. A 5/32" plexiglass bit
>makes too large a hole as the rivet does not have enough shoulder for the
>rivet head to rest on. A 1/8" plexiglass bit is too small. My unibit has
>1/32" steps which are either too small or too large. When I called Van's
>with this question, they said to use a #27 or #28 bit. That's great except
>for their warnings about using a standard drill bit to enlarge a hole. A
>call to Cleveland Tools got the advise to use a #28 that had been dulled
>with a sharpening stone. What have others done? Van's instructions seem
>to lead a builder to a no-win situation.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Tom, RV-7A, slo-build
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
tacaruth@ralcorp.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I've been working on my sliding canopy and am at the point of final
>drilling the holes for the pop rivets around the front frame. I've
>followed the instructions and have pilot drilled the holes with a #40 drill
>bit and have countersunk to the proper depth. The problem I'm having is
>choosing the final drill size for these holes. A 5/32" plexiglass bit
>makes too large a hole as the rivet does not have enough shoulder for the
>rivet head to rest on. A 1/8" plexiglass bit is too small. My unibit has
>1/32" steps which are either too small or too large. When I called Van's
>with this question, they said to use a #27 or #28 bit. That's great except
>for their warnings about using a standard drill bit to enlarge a hole. A
>call to Cleveland Tools got the advise to use a #28 that had been dulled
>with a sharpening stone. What have others done? Van's instructions seem
>to lead a builder to a no-win situation.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Tom, RV-7A, slo-build
>
>
Now you've got me worried. I did as the directions said and drilled my
holes to 5/32" with a plexiglass bit. I did not check the fit of the
rivet. Please somebody tell me that what I did is the correct thing to
have done!
--
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:26:16 -0400
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net<mailto:mstewart@iss.net>>
OK you ole timers and vastly experienced pilots here goes.
I have been flying my 6 for the past 2 years left seat right throttle
for 1200 hours. Its as comfortable as comfortable can be. In preparation
for my 8, I have been flying right seat left throttle in the 6 just to
get a feel and begin a transition. After 10 or so of these awarkward
flights, I am now asking myself, " Why a left throttle in a tandem?"
>SNIP<
I use a left hand throttle quadrant ( hate vernier throttle knobs) in my -4 because
,to quote an old Mazda commercial, 'It just feels right'. If it doesn't
to you, I'd do whatever did.
Tracy Crook (Sworn enemy of all sacred cows)
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I dont remember the exact size hole to use but on my 8a I made the holes
about .040 larger than the screws I used. I wanted room for the canopy to
squirm a little. No rivets for me.
At 03:08 PM 7/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
>tacaruth@ralcorp.com wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
> >
> >
> >Hi All,
> >
> >I've been working on my sliding canopy and am at the point of final
> >drilling the holes for the pop rivets around the front frame. I've
> >followed the instructions and have pilot drilled the holes with a #40 drill
> >bit and have countersunk to the proper depth. The problem I'm having is
> >choosing the final drill size for these holes. A 5/32" plexiglass bit
> >makes too large a hole as the rivet does not have enough shoulder for the
> >rivet head to rest on. A 1/8" plexiglass bit is too small. My unibit has
> >1/32" steps which are either too small or too large. When I called Van's
> >with this question, they said to use a #27 or #28 bit. That's great except
> >for their warnings about using a standard drill bit to enlarge a hole. A
> >call to Cleveland Tools got the advise to use a #28 that had been dulled
> >with a sharpening stone. What have others done? Van's instructions seem
> >to lead a builder to a no-win situation.
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Tom, RV-7A, slo-build
> >
> >
>Now you've got me worried. I did as the directions said and drilled my
>holes to 5/32" with a plexiglass bit. I did not check the fit of the
>rivet. Please somebody tell me that what I did is the correct thing to
>have done!
>
>--
>Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
>Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
>RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ben Cunningham" <benandginny@insightbb.com>
On the RV7 tipup the plans call for 5/32" holes in the plexi all around. I
enlarged the #30 hole using a unibit that has 1/32" steps. Also, with plexi
bits readily available, why would you risk a crack by using anything but the
best ones you can buy? The 7 tip up plans also call for using AN507-6R8
screws and nuts all around. No pulled rivets at all..... I have not checked
the plans for a slider, so I don't know about them.
Ben Cunningham
RV7 71313
Finish Kit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Hester" <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Plexi Drilling Question
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
> tacaruth@ralcorp.com wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
> >
> >
> >Hi All,
> >
> >I've been working on my sliding canopy and am at the point of final
> >drilling the holes for the pop rivets around the front frame. I've
> >followed the instructions and have pilot drilled the holes with a #40
drill
> >bit and have countersunk to the proper depth. The problem I'm having is
> >choosing the final drill size for these holes. A 5/32" plexiglass bit
> >makes too large a hole as the rivet does not have enough shoulder for the
> >rivet head to rest on. A 1/8" plexiglass bit is too small. My unibit
has
> >1/32" steps which are either too small or too large. When I called Van's
> >with this question, they said to use a #27 or #28 bit. That's great
except
> >for their warnings about using a standard drill bit to enlarge a hole. A
> >call to Cleveland Tools got the advise to use a #28 that had been dulled
> >with a sharpening stone. What have others done? Van's instructions seem
> >to lead a builder to a no-win situation.
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Tom, RV-7A, slo-build
> >
> >
> Now you've got me worried. I did as the directions said and drilled my
> holes to 5/32" with a plexiglass bit. I did not check the fit of the
> rivet. Please somebody tell me that what I did is the correct thing to
> have done!
>
> --
> Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
> Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
> RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
tacaruth@ralcorp.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I've been working on my sliding canopy and am at the point of final
>drilling the holes for the pop rivets around the front frame. I've
>followed the instructions and have pilot drilled the holes with a #40 drill
>bit and have countersunk to the proper depth. The problem I'm having is
>choosing the final drill size for these holes. A 5/32" plexiglass bit
>makes too large a hole as the rivet does not have enough shoulder for the
>rivet head to rest on. A 1/8" plexiglass bit is too small. My unibit has
>1/32" steps which are either too small or too large. When I called Van's
>with this question, they said to use a #27 or #28 bit. That's great except
>for their warnings about using a standard drill bit to enlarge a hole. A
>call to Cleveland Tools got the advise to use a #28 that had been dulled
>with a sharpening stone. What have others done? Van's instructions seem
>to lead a builder to a no-win situation.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Tom, RV-7A, slo-build
>
>
Now you've got me worried. I did as the directions said and drilled my
holes to 5/32" with a plexiglass bit. I did not check the fit of the
rivet. Please somebody tell me that what I did is the correct thing to
have done!
--
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
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| Subject: | Cylinder head temps |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie <Charleyb@earthlink.net>
Great report. Checked my engine and found no flashing - thankfully.
Question: Your statement about Bill of Precision Engines hating ECI
caught my attention. Here in San Antonio, we think ECI is the greatest
thing since sliced bread. What is Bill's objection to ECI?
Charlie
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
DO NOT ARCHIVE
From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Cylinder head temps
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
his was posted on <rec.aviation.homebuilt> newsgroup, thought it might
be of interest to someone here.
Jerry
------begin forward-------
>
<SNIP>
>
>
> As many of you know, I also participate in the Grumman email list,
and this week while consulting with a well known engine shop over a
problem that they'd been working on for 3 weeks a new discovery was made
that suddenly dropped the CHTs 40+ degrees on engines that were running
too hot.
>
> Here is my message to the Grumman list, and you'll find that the
issue is also known among Expirmental pilots with GEM, JPI and EI engine
monitors.
>
> If you have a digital CHT and have noticed spreads in temp between
cylinders, this information is for you...
>
> The names mentioned in the message are familiar to those in the
Grumman owners group, but probably mean little to anyone here on the
BD-4 List.
> ===================
> On my way back from the Chicago area, picking up a wing panel for a
Tiger,
> I stopped in at Bill & Carol's Precision Engine in KY to put a fresh
pair
> of eyes on a plane that had been bedeviling them for the last 3 weeks.
> Bill had called and left a long message on my answering machine, and
I KNEW
> he'd been having fits with a plane that I'd previously worked on, and
knew
> the owner well, so I decided that a 2 hour detour would be a
reasonable
> thing to do.
>-----------snip------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Exclusions? |
--> RV-List message posted by: RICKRV6@aol.com
JT,
My life policies through USAA (which I'm sure many RV drivers are eligible)
allowed me the option of excluding aviation activities. Obviously, a lower
premium if I elected to do so but in no case did they deny me coverage if I
elected to cover those activities.
Rick McBride
In a message dated 7/6/04 1:10:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jhelms@i1.net
writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> It's that way on all aviation policies. You, as the owner, purchase the
> liability portion of your insurance coverage to protect yourself from lawsuits
> from others that arise out of the use of or the ownership of your plane. The
> liability coverage is not designed to be a life or health policy for you (the
> owner).
>
> The medical coverages normally are afforded to the owner. That is because
> most companies include the crew for that coverage.
>
> Just to throw a wrench into things, the typical Life Insurance policy
> excludes coverage while you are operating an aircraft or are a passenger of an
> unscheduled flight. Normally, they will include coverage for you while you are
> flying as a passenger on a commercial airline. There are very few policies
> which don't address that issue. www.piclife.com is a website I've referred
> pilots to for years. The agent is an Allstate agent, and at least the last time
> I heard, he was the only Allstate agent in the country who could add
> coverage for aircraft owners thru Allstate.
>
> JT
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:38 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Insurance Exclusions?
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
> Hi All,
>
> In my insurance policy, PART TWO - EXCLUSIONS, I read the following
> sentence:
>
> This insurance does not apply:
> 2. to any claim YOU, YOUR survivors or YOUR estate makes for BODILY INJURY
> or
> death to YOU.
>
> Does anyone else have this same exclusion in their policy?
>
> I believe this means that as the aircraft and policy owner I am NEVER
> covered
> for bodily injury, since it is part of the liability coverage.
> It doesn't matter if I have a single place, two place or four place
> aircraft,
> as the policy/aircraft owner I am not covered by the liability bodily
> injury
> portion of the aircraft insurance policy.
>
> My policy also allows $1,000 medical coverage. But that's medical
> coverage,
> not liability coverage.
>
> If your policy reads the same as mine, it might be worth knowing when you
> think about the first flight of your airplane.
>
> A "non owner" (flight test pilot) flying your airplane is covered by the
> bodily injury portion of your liability insurance, while, being the
> "owner", you
> are not covered by the liability bodily injury portion of the same policy.
>
> Jim Ayers
> EAA Flight Advisor
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
07/06/2004 05:24:41 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
Ben,
The only plexiglass bits available are 1/8" and 5/32". The 1/8" are too
small and the 5/32" are too large. Therein lies the problem. The plans
call for AACQ-4-4 pulled rivets for the front bow of the canopy frame. The
smallest step in a unibit I can find is 1/32", which would go from 1/8" to
5/32". What I need is a 9/64" plexiglass bit. Anyone know where to get
such an animal?
Thanks, Tom
"Ben Cunningham"
<benandginny@insi
ghtbb.com> To
Sent by: <rv-list@matronics.com>
owner-rv-list-ser cc
ver@matronics.com
Subject
Re: RV-List: Plexi Drilling
07/06/2004 04:02 Question
PM
Please respond to
rv-list@matronics
.com
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ben Cunningham" <benandginny@insightbb.com>
On the RV7 tipup the plans call for 5/32" holes in the plexi all around. I
enlarged the #30 hole using a unibit that has 1/32" steps. Also, with plexi
bits readily available, why would you risk a crack by using anything but
the
best ones you can buy? The 7 tip up plans also call for using AN507-6R8
screws and nuts all around. No pulled rivets at all..... I have not checked
the plans for a slider, so I don't know about them.
Ben Cunningham
RV7 71313
Finish Kit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Hester" <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Plexi Drilling Question
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
> tacaruth@ralcorp.com wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
> >
> >
> >Hi All,
> >
> >I've been working on my sliding canopy and am at the point of final
> >drilling the holes for the pop rivets around the front frame. I've
> >followed the instructions and have pilot drilled the holes with a #40
drill
> >bit and have countersunk to the proper depth. The problem I'm having is
> >choosing the final drill size for these holes. A 5/32" plexiglass bit
> >makes too large a hole as the rivet does not have enough shoulder for
the
> >rivet head to rest on. A 1/8" plexiglass bit is too small. My unibit
has
> >1/32" steps which are either too small or too large. When I called
Van's
> >with this question, they said to use a #27 or #28 bit. That's great
except
> >for their warnings about using a standard drill bit to enlarge a hole.
A
> >call to Cleveland Tools got the advise to use a #28 that had been dulled
> >with a sharpening stone. What have others done? Van's instructions
seem
> >to lead a builder to a no-win situation.
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Tom, RV-7A, slo-build
> >
> >
> Now you've got me worried. I did as the directions said and drilled my
> holes to 5/32" with a plexiglass bit. I did not check the fit of the
> rivet. Please somebody tell me that what I did is the correct thing to
> have done!
>
> --
> Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
> Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
> RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
Take your #27 bit to a grinding stone and grind a 60 deg. angle to the
tip and it will work fine!
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: <tacaruth@ralcorp.com>
Subject: [rv_list] RV-List: Plexi Drilling Question
> --> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've been working on my sliding canopy and am at the point of final
> drilling the holes for the pop rivets around the front frame. I've
> followed the instructions and have pilot drilled the holes with a #40
drill
> bit and have countersunk to the proper depth. The problem I'm having is
> choosing the final drill size for these holes. A 5/32" plexiglass bit
> makes too large a hole as the rivet does not have enough shoulder for the
> rivet head to rest on. A 1/8" plexiglass bit is too small. My unibit has
> 1/32" steps which are either too small or too large. When I called Van's
> with this question, they said to use a #27 or #28 bit. That's great
except
> for their warnings about using a standard drill bit to enlarge a hole. A
> call to Cleveland Tools got the advise to use a #28 that had been dulled
> with a sharpening stone. What have others done? Van's instructions seem
> to lead a builder to a no-win situation.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom, RV-7A, slo-build
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
tacaruth@ralcorp.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
>
>
>Ben,
>
>The only plexiglass bits available are 1/8" and 5/32". The 1/8" are too
>small and the 5/32" are too large. Therein lies the problem. The plans
>call for AACQ-4-4 pulled rivets for the front bow of the canopy frame. The
>smallest step in a unibit I can find is 1/32", which would go from 1/8" to
>5/32". What I need is a 9/64" plexiglass bit. Anyone know where to get
>such an animal?
>
>Thanks, Tom
>
>
>
Tom, I haven't checked the fit yet. I do know that the hole must be
bigger than the rivet to allow the plexiglass to move with temp.
changes. The holes will crack if they are not bigger than normally used
in metal.
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
>
>
>Ben,
>
>The only plexiglass bits available are 1/8" and 5/32". The 1/8" are too
>small and the 5/32" are too large. Therein lies the problem. The plans
>call for AACQ-4-4 pulled rivets for the front bow of the canopy frame. The
>smallest step in a unibit I can find is 1/32", which would go from 1/8" to
>5/32". What I need is a 9/64" plexiglass bit. Anyone know where to get
>such an animal?
>
>Thanks, Tom
A Google for "plastic drill 9/64" turned up:
http://www.abbeon.com/newFiles/plexidrill.html
I have no idea how good they are. I though I bought my 9/64
plexiglas drill bit from Aircraft Spruce, but they don't list one on
their web site now.
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Ottawa, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "davercook" <davercook@prodigy.net>
Take the plexie off drill 5/32 ,drill the frame #30
Dave Cook
----- Original Message -----
From: <tacaruth@ralcorp.com>
Subject: RV-List: Plexi Drilling Question
> --> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've been working on my sliding canopy and am at the point of final
> drilling the holes for the pop rivets around the front frame. I've
> followed the instructions and have pilot drilled the holes with a #40
drill
> bit and have countersunk to the proper depth. The problem I'm having is
> choosing the final drill size for these holes. A 5/32" plexiglass bit
> makes too large a hole as the rivet does not have enough shoulder for the
> rivet head to rest on. A 1/8" plexiglass bit is too small. My unibit has
> 1/32" steps which are either too small or too large. When I called Van's
> with this question, they said to use a #27 or #28 bit. That's great
except
> for their warnings about using a standard drill bit to enlarge a hole. A
> call to Cleveland Tools got the advise to use a #28 that had been dulled
> with a sharpening stone. What have others done? Van's instructions seem
> to lead a builder to a no-win situation.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom, RV-7A, slo-build
>
>
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| Subject: | Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>Let me be a little clearer.
>I feel the finesse of flying the plane can be done with either hand,
>both stick and throttle.
>
>But other duties, like writing, knob turning, button pushing and so
>forth, will always be bad with the weak hand. When bumping around in the
>soup for example and getting new freqs, or pulling up the approach in a
>430, when accuracy and feel are critical, would you want to put stick in
>left hand and do those functions with the right?
>
In my experience, your left hand will learn to get very good at
button twiddling and knob twisting, if you give it a bit of time.
But I agree that you will always want to write with your right hand
(all this spoken from the context of someone who is right-handed).
It has also been my experience that it is quite rare to have to write
something when I am in a situation where I can't take my hand off the
throttle and switch hands. I would be willing to take my hand off
the throttle any time except short final, or when flying formation on
someone.
--
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Ottawa, Canada
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--> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig <larywil@comcast.net>
Hi gang.
In a recent post, someone mentioned that they use an oxygen sensor to
adjust their mixture setting. About 4 or 5 years ago, there was a long
string of posts about the use of oxygen sensors. Several builders were
going to try them. But the results were never posted or updated. If any of
you have a good understanding and have had good results using O/S's to help
adjust mixture, please let us know. I would love to have something other
than my EGT gauge.
Louis
-
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
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| Subject: | Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>
> Why not just rig the plane for left stick right throttle,
> right hand free to do the things its really good at, keep the
> stick is the left hand, and do those writing/knob pushing
> items with the right/strong hand.
>
> I write a lot. Notes, weather, formation debrief items,
> frequencies, etc...
Mike, congratulations on 1200 hours in two years! I don't know if
anyone's done that before. Maybe Rosales (sp?).
If you prefer the throttle on the right side, put it there. Resale is
the only consideration, everything else is preference only. If you are
creative, you could design things so that the throttle quadrant can be
moved to the other side with minimal rework effort in the event you sell
it or change your mind.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 493 hours (still waiting for summer!)
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
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| Subject: | Re:Right Throttle--Left Throttle Thats The--- |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I think Standardization is the main reason for the left throttle Right stick.
If you switch planes then things are very similar. If someone else flies
your plane then they find it fits better. I think it would be very awkward to
have a left stick & right throttle. I never did like the spam cans for that
reason.
I bought an Indian motorcycle as my first one - it had the throttle on the
left !!!
That felt backward,even though I hadn't had one before. I changed it right
away.
As most stated - mainly personal preference with no matter,until someone else
flies it.
My opinion.
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Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen sensor |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 19:14 2004-07-06, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig <larywil@comcast.net>
>
>Hi gang.
>
>In a recent post, someone mentioned that they use an oxygen sensor to
>adjust their mixture setting. About 4 or 5 years ago, there was a long
>string of posts about the use of oxygen sensors. Several builders were
>going to try them. But the results were never posted or updated. If any of
>you have a good understanding and have had good results using O/S's to help
>adjust mixture, please let us know. I would love to have something other
>than my EGT gauge.
>
>Louis
>
>
>-
>Louis I Willig
>1640 Oakwood Dr.
>Penn Valley, PA 19072
>610 668-4964
>RV-4, N180PF
>190HP IO-360, C/S prop
Oxygen sensors for exhaust gas are designed and optimized for smog control
on cars. Your EGT gauge is telling you directly how much you are abusing
(or not) your rosy red exhaust valves. Having an O2 sensor on a Lycoming
would just be eye candy and using it to replace your EGT would - in my
humble opinion - be risky at best. Why have something you would have to
translate when you can read it directly with a good EGT?
Us alternative engine guys will sometimes use O2 sensors to help the engine
control computer or to manually develop the fuel maps for the
computer. After that they're eye candy.
Contrary to some stories they will work with 100LL in the above
situations. The lead will slow down the response but not so much that the
light bar on the mixture meter on your panel won't tell you what you
want. It would be too slow for a car's computer to be able to pass DEQ.
Just an opinion from a controls engineer.
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode, RD-1C, EC-2
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| Subject: | Used Navaid for Sale |
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All,
Sorry for the shameless plug, but I have changed directions on my autopilot selection.
It may not be "latest and greatest", but I have a used Navaid for sale
on Ebay that may sell very cheap if anyone is interested.
Item number 2483347512
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Scott
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Great!!! Just when I thought I was going to get it cheap, you go and tell
everyone about it :)
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RV-List: Used Navaid for Sale
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All,
Sorry for the shameless plug, but I have changed directions on my autopilot
selection. It may not be "latest and greatest", but I have a used Navaid
for sale on Ebay that may sell very cheap if anyone is interested.
Item number 2483347512
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26436&item
=2483347512&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Thanks,
Scott
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