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1. 05:37 AM - Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions (Dean Pichon)
2. 05:42 AM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (tacaruth@ralcorp.com)
3. 05:48 AM - Re: Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions (Alex Peterson)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions (Doug Rozendaal)
5. 06:43 AM - Operating Efficiently Lean Of Peak (Howard Walrath)
6. 07:04 AM - Re: Operating Efficiently Lean Of Peak (Scott Bilinski)
7. 07:23 AM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (Lockamy, Jack L)
8. 07:37 AM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Dave Durakovich)
9. 08:01 AM - osh (Tom Gummo)
10. 08:07 AM - Re: Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions (Tracy Crook)
11. 08:16 AM - Re: Used Navaid for Sale (Vincent Welch)
12. 08:36 AM - Re: Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions (Sam Buchanan)
13. 08:46 AM - Re: osh (Jeff Point)
14. 08:53 AM - Re: osh (Greg Young)
15. 08:55 AM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the (Rob Prior)
16. 08:59 AM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the (Richard Bibb)
17. 09:00 AM - Re: Click patches ?? (923te)
18. 09:10 AM - Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
19. 09:44 AM - N766DH First Flight! (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
20. 09:47 AM - Re: Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions (Alex Peterson)
21. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? (Bob 1)
22. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? (John Helms)
23. 10:01 AM - Re: Click patches ?? (Doug Rozendaal)
24. 10:08 AM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (tacaruth@ralcorp.com)
25. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? (Bob 1)
26. 10:25 AM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the (Jim Oke)
27. 10:47 AM - Re: Click patches ?? (John Myers)
28. 10:56 AM - Re: Oxygen sensor (John)
29. 11:14 AM - Re: Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions (Sam Buchanan)
30. 11:38 AM - Re: N766DH First Flight! (Rabaut, Chuck)
31. 11:53 AM - Re: N766DH First Flight! (Serge Boucher)
32. 12:14 PM - (Donald Nowakowski)
33. 12:17 PM - Re: osh (RV6 Flyer)
34. 12:37 PM - Re: (Vic Jacko)
35. 01:04 PM - Re: Operating Efficiently Lean Of Peak (Michael McGee)
36. 01:13 PM - Infinity-grip trim relays (Turbo Tom)
37. 01:39 PM - Re: osh (cgalley)
38. 01:46 PM - Re: (Rabaut, Chuck)
39. 01:57 PM - Re: Infinity-grip trim relays (Terry Watson)
40. 02:01 PM - Reply to Stein's post re MAP (Donald Mei)
41. 03:31 PM - RV-6 Drawings (j1j2h3@juno.com)
42. 03:31 PM - Re: N766DH First Flight! (richard dudley)
43. 03:48 PM - Re: Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions (Charlie England)
44. 03:49 PM - Re: Oxygen sensor (Brian Kraut)
45. 03:56 PM - Re: Operating Efficiently Lean Of Peak (Christopher Stone)
46. 04:48 PM - Re: Infinity-grip trim relays (Paul Besing)
47. 05:09 PM - Re: Infinity-grip trim relays (Tom Barnes)
48. 06:05 PM - Was this an RV? (Bobby Hester)
49. 06:24 PM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (Bobby Hester)
50. 06:47 PM - Re: Was this an RV? (Ed Anderson)
51. 07:07 PM - Re: Was this an RV? (Laird Owens)
52. 07:17 PM - Re: Was this an RV? (Paul Besing)
53. 07:18 PM - Re: Was this an RV? (Paul Besing)
54. 07:23 PM - Re: Was this an RV? (Stein Bruch)
55. 08:18 PM - Re: Was this an RV? (Skylor Piper)
56. 08:32 PM - Re: Was this an RV? (Skylor Piper)
57. 09:35 PM - Re: Was this an RV? (RV6 Flyer)
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| Subject: | Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com>
This past weekend, I noticed the first two cracks in the skin of the rudder
on my -4. I have 200+ hours on the aircraft. It has an IO-360 (180 hp)
with a CS prop. The cracks are not much of a surprise, but are
disappointing nonetheless. The cracks propagate from two of the most forward
rivets holding two of the skin stiffeners to the right-side rudder skin. I
have stop-drilled the cracks and continue to fly, but plan to start the
fabrication of a new rudder immediately.
My rudder has the older 0.016" skin and has RTV in the trailing edge. I
plan to use 0.020" skin for the new rudder and will use Pro-Seal in lieu of
silicone at the trailing edge. In addition, I plan to use Pro-Seal, in
addition to rivets, to attach the skin stiffeners.
Are there any (other) suggestions that I can consider in order to build a
more durable rudder the second time around? Any ideas are most appreciated.
Dean Pichon
RV-4
Bolton, MA
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
07/07/2004 07:41:56 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
As stated earlier, a 5/32" hole is too large for the head of the rivet to
hold properly unless a piece of aluminum is over the top. There is no
cover over the holes in the forward slider frame. The rivets rest on the
plexiglass. I got this info directly from Van's phone support.
As others have already suggested, I took a #28 drill and ground down the
tip to resemble the tip of a plexiglasss bit. After doing this, I drilled
the holes last night with no problem. I had the drill so slow that I could
almost count the RPM. Also, I hardly pushed on the drill.
Thanks for all the advise.
Tom,
RV-7A, Finishing canopy (I hope)
"davercook"
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--> RV-List message posted by: "davercook" <davercook@prodigy.net>
Take the plexie off drill 5/32 ,drill the frame #30
Dave Cook
----- Original Message -----
From: <tacaruth@ralcorp.com>
Subject: RV-List: Plexi Drilling Question
> --> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've been working on my sliding canopy and am at the point of final
> drilling the holes for the pop rivets around the front frame. I've
> followed the instructions and have pilot drilled the holes with a #40
drill
> bit and have countersunk to the proper depth. The problem I'm having is
> choosing the final drill size for these holes. A 5/32" plexiglass bit
> makes too large a hole as the rivet does not have enough shoulder for the
> rivet head to rest on. A 1/8" plexiglass bit is too small. My unibit
has
> 1/32" steps which are either too small or too large. When I called Van's
> with this question, they said to use a #27 or #28 bit. That's great
except
> for their warnings about using a standard drill bit to enlarge a hole. A
> call to Cleveland Tools got the advise to use a #28 that had been dulled
> with a sharpening stone. What have others done? Van's instructions seem
> to lead a builder to a no-win situation.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom, RV-7A, slo-build
>
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| Subject: | Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com>
>
> This past weekend, I noticed the first two cracks in the skin
> of the rudder
> on my -4. I have 200+ hours on the aircraft. It has an
> IO-360 (180 hp)
> with a CS prop. The cracks are not much of a surprise, but are
> disappointing nonetheless. The cracks propagate from two of
> the most forward
> rivets holding two of the skin stiffeners to the right-side
> rudder skin. I
> have stop-drilled the cracks and continue to fly, but plan to
> start the
> fabrication of a new rudder immediately.
>
> My rudder has the older 0.016" skin and has RTV in the
> trailing edge. I
My same setup on a 6A cracked at around 200 hours in those same places,
requiring about 7 or 8 stop drill holes. I have an additional 300 hours
now, no additional cracking. I initially planned to rebuild the rudder,
but don't plan to now. If my plane wasn't painted, I'd probably build a
new one.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 493 hours
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
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| Subject: | Re: Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
On the Pink Panther, I put "click" patches (Aircraft Spruce part # 04-0615)
over the rivets after they were stop drilled and never had another problem.
I did lots of acro, including hammerheads etc. I think I had four patches
on the rudder and that was the end of it. no more cracking, the cracks never
propagated any further once the click patches were installed. They are
$11.50 each, very thin, and nearly invisible.
They also fix leaky rivets on fuel tanks which is what they were originally
designed for.....
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Operating Efficiently Lean Of Peak |
--> RV-List message posted by: Howard Walrath <der_jagdflieger@prodigy.net>
The recent rv-list posts on EI versus magnetoes
for LOP operation was interesting and informative.
Several posters pointed out that a matched set of
injectors was key to efficient operation Lean Of Peak.
The Van's Airforce World Wide Wing homepage
has an article on this subject I wrote that was in EAA Chapter 168's newsletter.
The url for the
Van's Airforce World Wide Wing homepage
homepage is www.vansairforce.net . The
"THE RV NEWS" column on the homepage
discusses the article andcontains a link to the
entire issue.
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| Subject: | Re: Operating Efficiently Lean Of Peak |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Can you narrow down the location a little more, I am having trouble finding
the article.
At 06:43 AM 7/7/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Howard Walrath <der_jagdflieger@prodigy.net>
>
>The recent rv-list posts on EI versus magnetoes
>for LOP operation was interesting and informative.
>Several posters pointed out that a matched set of
>injectors was key to efficient operation Lean Of Peak.
>
>
>The Van's Airforce World Wide Wing homepage
>has an article on this subject I wrote that was in EAA Chapter 168's
>newsletter. The url for the
>Van's Airforce World Wide Wing homepage
>homepage is www.vansairforce.net . The
>"THE RV NEWS" column on the homepage
>discusses the article andcontains a link to the
>entire issue.
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Lockamy, Jack L" <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
Why is 5/32" too large? It worked well for me and I'm sure thousands of other
RV's that have the same plans and instructions....
The pulled/pop/blind rivets fit perfectly if you countersunk the plexi BEFORE opening
up the holes to 5/32" (as mentioned in my construction manual).
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Durakovich <ddurakovich@yahoo.com>
Having spent most of my time in the 'spam can' category, I always thought that
left throttle would feel uncomfortable. Then, starting flying from the right to
prepare for my CFI, and while it was unusual, it was not uncomfortable. Also
fly gliders, and while there is no throttle, there are a lot of controls requiring
the left hand!
And I guess that there may be an even more important point than the left/right
issue. Having a hand free to control throttle, RPM, trim, flaps seems to be intuitive.
I couldn't bear to think that I had to switch hands on the stick to re-trim,
or pop a notch of flaps, then switch back to adjust the throttle! In a
side by side, most of the common controls are in the middle, so you never have
to worry about having that free hand.... It is just a matter of which hand is
free depending on which seat you are sitting in!
If you decide to reverse the layout, I would also consider repositioning flap and
trim, which in itself may drive your decision!
Dave
************************************************
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
OK you ole timers and vastly experienced pilots here goes.
I have been flying my 6 for the past 2 years left seat right throttle
for 1200 hours. Its as comfortable as comfortable can be. In preparation
for my 8, I have been flying right seat left throttle in the 6 just to
get a feel and begin a transition. After 10 or so of these awarkward
flights, I am now asking myself, " Why a left throttle in a tandem?"
I have no doubt I could soon become comfortable with the stick in the
right hand, but will I ever be able to write with my left hand? Push
buttons and turn knobs with my left hand as well as my right? I am
wondering why I shouldn't just put the throttle in the 8 on the right
side. My good friend Stu McCurdy has a neat pedestal arrangement on the
right floor holding up his kneeboard so he can easily write when flying.
Means he has to switch hands to do it. When flying in my 6, writing and
knob turning from the right seat meant switching hands. "Why am I
switching hands?" I ask myself. This is dumb.
I am sure there is some reason why all the military single seats are
right stick left throttle. Or are they? Am I missing some physiological
item here? Was the first plane designer a lefty and we have been stuck
with it all this time?
And I don't care about resale value so throw that out.
I look fwd to the discussion.
Mike Stewart
Got to order throttle quadrant and need advise.
Do not archive the question(pet peeve of mine on the list), but remove
for good responses.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
I plan on arriving at OSH on Monday, the day before OSH starts. I was told that
the parking areas may be filled by then. When do they start to divert aircraft
to other fields?
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:06:05 -0400
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com<mailto:deanpichon@msn.com>>
>
> This past weekend, I noticed the first two cracks in the skin
> of the rudder
> on my -4. I have 200+ hours on the aircraft. It has an
> IO-360 (180 hp)
> with a CS prop. The cracks are not much of a surprise, but are
> disappointing nonetheless. The cracks propagate from two of
> the most forward
> rivets holding two of the skin stiffeners to the right-side
> rudder skin. I
> have stop-drilled the cracks and continue to fly, but plan to
> start the
> fabrication of a new rudder immediately.
>
> My rudder has the older 0.016" skin and has RTV in the
> trailing edge. I
Dean, It's that vibrating thing on the nose that does it.
Sorry guys, couldn't stop myself.
Tracy Crook
Rotary powered RV-4, 1425 hrs, .016 rudder skins, no cracks. (I promise to stop
now)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Used Navaid for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
Since we are talking about Navaids, I have a NEW Navaid control head for
sale. Make an offer:)
Vince Welch
Do Not Archive
>From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Used Navaid for Sale
>Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:05:25 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>Great!!! Just when I thought I was going to get it cheap, you go and tell
>everyone about it :)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>tx_jayhawk@excite.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Used Navaid for Sale
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
>All,
>
>Sorry for the shameless plug, but I have changed directions on my autopilot
>selection. It may not be "latest and greatest", but I have a used Navaid
>for sale on Ebay that may sell very cheap if anyone is interested.
>
>Item number 2483347512
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26436&item
>=2483347512&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
>
>Thanks,
>Scott
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Tracy Crook wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
>
>
> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com<mailto:deanpichon@msn.com>>
>
>
> >
> > This past weekend, I noticed the first two cracks in the skin
> > of the rudder
> > on my -4. I have 200+ hours on the aircraft. It has an
> > IO-360 (180 hp)
> > with a CS prop. The cracks are not much of a surprise, but are
> > disappointing nonetheless. The cracks propagate from two of
> > the most forward
> > rivets holding two of the skin stiffeners to the right-side
> > rudder skin. I
> > have stop-drilled the cracks and continue to fly, but plan to
> > start the
> > fabrication of a new rudder immediately.
> >
> > My rudder has the older 0.016" skin and has RTV in the
> > trailing edge. I
>
> Dean, It's that vibrating thing on the nose that does it.
> Sorry guys, couldn't stop myself.
>
> Tracy Crook
> Rotary powered RV-4, 1425 hrs, .016 rudder skins, no cracks. (I promise to
stop now)
I suspect the rudder cracks are caused not by the vibrating thing on the
nose but the pounding airflow on the right side of the airframe caused
by that blade-like thing on the nose (which even the rotary-powered
planes must carry around). :-)
All the cracked rudders I have seen (including the one on my RV-6) have
cracks on the right side of the rudder. Wonder if they might also be the
result of holding right rudder during takeoffs and climbs?
Maybe the rotary powered planes don't have this problem because they
don't produce as much torque as the Lycomings during takeoff..... :-)
Doug, please research the part number you posted for the click patches;
I can't get that number to work on Spruce's site (comes up with Cherry
rivets).
Sam Buchanan (RV-6 with lumpy vibrating thing bolted to nose)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
If yuo are coming in the rocket, you are safe. We never divert
showplanes (homebuilts, antiques, etc.) but spam cans can and have been
diverted. Parking in the "RV ghetto" has never become saturated,
although last year, at peak, we were three airplanes away from being
completely full back there. We will always find a spot for you in a
homebuilt, but it may not be a great spot (ie way down south past
antique/ classic.) With the expected number of RVs going to the new
camping area, I doubt we will fill up the RV parking area, but you never
know.
Jeff Point
RV-6 70 hours
Milwaukee WI
Tom Gummo wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
>I plan on arriving at OSH on Monday, the day before OSH starts. I was told that
the parking areas may be filled by then. When do they start to divert aircraft
to other fields?
>
>Tom Gummo
>Apple Valley, CA
>Harmon Rocket-II
>
>do not archive
>
>http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
To my knowledge, OSH has never been closed to showplanes, only transients in
the North 40. Showplanes are all homebuilts, warbirds and vintage (up to
1966 or 67 now). Absolute worst case is you'd have to park south of the
ultralights.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> I plan on arriving at OSH on Monday, the day before OSH
> starts. I was told that the parking areas may be filled by
> then. When do they start to divert aircraft to other fields?
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 7:18 06/07/2004 Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org> wrote:
> I can appreciate your not wanting to switch from what you have the most
> experience with. All my early flying was with the military
> configuration, and I doubt I'll ever feel comfortable the other way.
> (Some people say they quickly learned to change hands. I say you don't
> know until you try formation. If someone flies formation well both ways,
> with equal comfort, then they've made the switch.)
For what it's worth, here's another data point.
I grew up at my local airport, and over the years had many rides in many
different aircraft. Always, I was right-hand-stick, left-hand-throttle
(RHS-LHT), in every airplane. In any side-by-side aircraft, I would always
be in the right seat. In any tandem, it didn't matter which seat.
When I did my private license, I flew Cessna 152's exclusively, from the
left seat. I don't recall the transition to left-hand-stick,
right-hand-throttle (LHS-RHT) being a problem, but I was still relatively
green as a pilot. After the 45 hours for my license, I switched to our
club's tandem-seat homebuilt, and back to RHS-LHT. I *immediately* felt
more comfortable. About 200 hours later, I started learning formation
flying, and eventually transitioned to RV's and have been helping to give
formation instruction to others.
I recently had my first experience flying an RV-6 in formation from the
left seat (until now i've been in RV-6 right seat, or RV-6 left seat with
dual throttles, or tandem-seat configurations). That was a real challenge,
every time I wanted a power correction I would fly up or down out of
position, and every time I wanted a vertical position correction I would
move ahead and back, as my "formation hands" were still thinking in
reverse. It took most of that hour's flight to get even slightly
comfortable holding position, and the landing back at the airport was all
over the place for the same reasons.
So, i've decided that my RV will have a left-hand throttle for the pilot.
Either it will be center-mounted and available to both seats, and I will
fly it from the right seat, or it will be left-side mounted, and will be
only available to the left seat. I find I can operate anything on the dash
fine with my left hand, and I usually don't need to write anything down
while flying... The times I do, I can switch hands.
Just my $0.02.
-Rob Prior
RV-7 Empennage
rv7 "at" b4.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
I fly a Mooney and an AT-6. Never had any problem switching back and
forth....
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| Subject: | Re: Click patches ?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
> Doug, please research the part number you posted for the click patches;
> I can't get that number to work on Spruce's site (comes up with Cherry
> rivets).
>
> Sam Buchanan (RV-6 with lumpy vibrating thing bolted to nose)
>
I got the same rivets for that part number. Please post more info on the
click patches
Thanks,
Ned
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
Why do you guys sound so upset?
If I do not carry passengers in my RV-3. And if I don't have other pilots
flying my RV-3. The liability insurance for bodily injury "including passengers
and crew" provides me no coverage whatsoever.
And it would cost me $300 a year for the RV-3.
I have had nonowner named pilots listed on my policy, and the liability
coverage "including passengers and crew" was applied to protect me and to protect
them.
When I removed the named pilots, the additional coverage was retained because
I didn't ask to have it removed.
If there is another RV pilot on this list that has this situation, this
exchange could be of some benefit.
I suggested that JT put this into "insurance speak" in the previous Emails on
insurance.
Is it easier to engage in character assassination than to provide information?
From what I read from JT before, he couldn't write my policy. He said he has
a $400 minimum for the policies he writes. I don't remember if he put this
on the list, or just sent it to me.
Somehow I'm sure I'll be told I'm wrong about that. :-)
Jim Ayers
RV-3 Maroon Marauder
In a message dated 07/07/2004 12:00:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Time: 10:14:00 AM PST US
From: "Perry Rhoads" <perryrhoads@ctnet.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Insurance Exclusions?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Perry Rhoads" <perryrhoads@ctnet.net>
All this is telling you is that you can't be liable to yourself. If you kill
yourself in your airplane, the Bodily Injury doesn't apply.
You still have Bodily Injury protection if you injure or kill someone else
with your aircraft.
ALL liability policies( auto, general liability, homeowners,etc) read this
way, as they should.
Perry Rhoads
RV-3
N96GW
----- Original Message -----
From: <LeastDrag93066@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Insurance Exclusions?
> --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
> Hi All,
>
> In my insurance policy, PART TWO - EXCLUSIONS, I read the following
sentence:
>
> This insurance does not apply:
> 2. to any claim YOU, YOUR survivors or YOUR estate makes for BODILY INJURY
or
> death to YOU.
>
> Does anyone else have this same exclusion in their policy?
>
> I believe this means that as the aircraft and policy owner I am NEVER
covered
> for bodily injury, since it is part of the liability coverage.
> It doesn't matter if I have a single place, two place or four place
aircraft,
> as the policy/aircraft owner I am not covered by the liability bodily
injury
> portion of the aircraft insurance policy.
>
> My policy also allows $1,000 medical coverage. But that's medical
coverage,
> not liability coverage.
>
> If your policy reads the same as mine, it might be worth knowing when you
> think about the first flight of your airplane.
>
> A "non owner" (flight test pilot) flying your airplane is covered by the
> bodily injury portion of your liability insurance, while, being the
"owner", you
> are not covered by the liability bodily injury portion of the same policy.
>
> Jim Ayers
> EAA Flight Advisor
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| Subject: | N766DH First Flight! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Hello All RVers,
RV-7A N766DH (Kit number 70066 -- pretty original huh?) took me for a
wonderful ride last evening, the same day the inspection was signed off.
No problems at all with the airplane. It was a little hazy and I kept losing
the airport since it was not my home field and the RV covers 2 or 3 miles
very quickly! So I hate to admit it, but much of the flight was spent trying to
locate the airport. That happened maybe 3 times! It is a 2000 foot grass
strip (8I3 near Kokomo, IN). Of course I was concerned about the landing, but
it
went perfectly.
What a dream of an airplane. Let me tell you, it is certainly worth all the
effort spent building to finally fly it. I have so much yet to learn about it
though, but it seems friendly enough.
Thank the Lord, my wife and Vans, and of course all the help that comes from
those of you on the rv-list.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (Starting Phase I flight testing)
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| Subject: | Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> I suspect the rudder cracks are caused not by the vibrating
> thing on the
> nose but the pounding airflow on the right side of the
> airframe caused
> by that blade-like thing on the nose (which even the rotary-powered
> planes must carry around). :-)
FWIW, the cracks on my rudder on equally distributed on both the left
and right sides.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 493 hours
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a@comcast.net>
> Hi All,
>
> Why do you guys sound so upset?
Looks to be the other way 'round from my RV-3 seat. <g>
> If I do not carry passengers in my RV-3. And if I don't have other pilots
> flying my RV-3. The liability insurance for bodily injury "including
passengers
> and crew" provides me no coverage whatsoever.
> And it would cost me $300 a year for the RV-3.
>
> I have had nonowner named pilots listed on my policy, and the liability
> coverage "including passengers and crew" was applied to protect me and to
protect
> them.
> When I removed the named pilots, the additional coverage was retained
because
> I didn't ask to have it removed.
>
> If there is another RV pilot on this list that has this situation, this
> exchange could be of some benefit.
I fly an RV-3 and never have had an issue with NationAir over liability.
I've enjoyed the single seat savings from day one. That was more than three
years ago. Further, the liability savings to me is $50 or so, not the $300
you quote... IIRC.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
I didn't see anything that seemed to indicate that Perry was upset. He stressed
one word ("ALL") in his post, but that looked as if he did it merely for emphasis.
I certainly didn't see Perry or myself attacking your character.
His response (and mine) endeavored to explain to you that the owner of a plane
purchases liability protection to help protect himself or herself from liabilities
incurred due to the use or ownership of the plane. And, that they aren't
designed to be life insurance or health insurance for the owner.
By the way, yes you're wrong, but I don't mean that in a cruel way. I can write
policies thru AIG for RVs or other aircraft. They do not have a minimum premium,
and are very often the most competitive company for liability only for that
reason. I am AIG's 3rd largest broker. We do write the vast majority of
our Van's Aircraft owners thru the VanGuard Program which is underwritten by a
different company.
I certainly would hope that all RV'ers will benefit from this and any posts I make
regarding insurance, whether I insure them or not. That is why I've endeavored
to correct the incorrect parts of your posts a few weeks ago (re: medical
vs passenger coverage).
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:09 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions?
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
Why do you guys sound so upset?
If I do not carry passengers in my RV-3. And if I don't have other pilots
flying my RV-3. The liability insurance for bodily injury "including passengers
and crew" provides me no coverage whatsoever.
And it would cost me $300 a year for the RV-3.
I have had nonowner named pilots listed on my policy, and the liability
coverage "including passengers and crew" was applied to protect me and to protect
them.
When I removed the named pilots, the additional coverage was retained because
I didn't ask to have it removed.
If there is another RV pilot on this list that has this situation, this
exchange could be of some benefit.
I suggested that JT put this into "insurance speak" in the previous Emails on
insurance.
Is it easier to engage in character assassination than to provide information?
>From what I read from JT before, he couldn't write my policy. He said he has
a $400 minimum for the policies he writes. I don't remember if he put this
on the list, or just sent it to me.
Somehow I'm sure I'll be told I'm wrong about that. :-)
Jim Ayers
RV-3 Maroon Marauder
In a message dated 07/07/2004 12:00:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Time: 10:14:00 AM PST US
From: "Perry Rhoads" <perryrhoads@ctnet.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Insurance Exclusions?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Perry Rhoads" <perryrhoads@ctnet.net>
All this is telling you is that you can't be liable to yourself. If you kill
yourself in your airplane, the Bodily Injury doesn't apply.
You still have Bodily Injury protection if you injure or kill someone else
with your aircraft.
ALL liability policies( auto, general liability, homeowners,etc) read this
way, as they should.
Perry Rhoads
RV-3
N96GW
----- Original Message -----
From: <LeastDrag93066@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Insurance Exclusions?
> --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
> Hi All,
>
> In my insurance policy, PART TWO - EXCLUSIONS, I read the following
sentence:
>
> This insurance does not apply:
> 2. to any claim YOU, YOUR survivors or YOUR estate makes for BODILY INJURY
or
> death to YOU.
>
> Does anyone else have this same exclusion in their policy?
>
> I believe this means that as the aircraft and policy owner I am NEVER
covered
> for bodily injury, since it is part of the liability coverage.
> It doesn't matter if I have a single place, two place or four place
aircraft,
> as the policy/aircraft owner I am not covered by the liability bodily
injury
> portion of the aircraft insurance policy.
>
> My policy also allows $1,000 medical coverage. But that's medical
coverage,
> not liability coverage.
>
> If your policy reads the same as mine, it might be worth knowing when you
> think about the first flight of your airplane.
>
> A "non owner" (flight test pilot) flying your airplane is covered by the
> bodily injury portion of your liability insurance, while, being the
"owner", you
> are not covered by the liability bodily injury portion of the same policy.
>
> Jim Ayers
> EAA Flight Advisor
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| Subject: | Re: Click patches ?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
So sorry, P/N 04-06040 I missed a zero......
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/clickbond.php
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
----- Original Message -----
From: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Click patches ??
> --> RV-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
>
> > Doug, please research the part number you posted for the click patches;
> > I can't get that number to work on Spruce's site (comes up with Cherry
> > rivets).
> >
> > Sam Buchanan (RV-6 with lumpy vibrating thing bolted to nose)
> >
>
> I got the same rivets for that part number. Please post more info on the
> click patches
>
> Thanks,
> Ned
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
07/07/2004 12:07:49 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
Van's recommendation was that 5/32 hole for the pulled rivets was too large
for the head of the rivet. Just their opinion. Yours may be different.
Tom
"Lockamy, Jack L"
<jack.lockamy@nav
y.mil> To
Sent by: <rv-list@matronics.com>
owner-rv-list-ser cc
ver@matronics.com
Subject
Re: RV-List: Plexi Drilling
07/07/2004 09:21 Question
AM
Please respond to
rv-list@matronics
.com
--> RV-List message posted by: "Lockamy, Jack L" <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
Why is 5/32" too large? It worked well for me and I'm sure thousands of
other RV's that have the same plans and instructions....
The pulled/pop/blind rivets fit perfectly if you countersunk the plexi
BEFORE opening up the holes to 5/32" (as mentioned in my construction
manual).
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a@comcast.net>
> From what I read from JT before, he couldn't write my policy. He said he
has
> a $400 minimum for the policies he writes. I don't remember if he put
this
> on the list, or just sent it to me.
>
> Somehow I'm sure I'll be told I'm wrong about that. :-)
> >
> > Jim Ayers
> > EAA Flight Advisor
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
DANG.
You just busted my bubble.
I thought the $400 thingy was just special for me.
Bob - Tongue firmly planted in cheek.
Do NOT archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
To add to Rob's points, I did my first ten years or so of flying (small
piston, small military jet, then fast jet) with LH throttle and RH stick and
got rather used to this. Then I instructed on Beech Musketeers for awhile
and continued to fly LHT and RHS (well, yoke in that case). The occasional
left seat trips where I had to "play student" were the ones that felt odd. I
also did some solo formation flying on the Musketeer and (as most of my
peers did) chose to sit in the right seat to continue LHT and RHS accepting
the cross-cockpit view of the flight instruments to keep the familiar RH
stick and LH throttle feel.
When I built an RV-3 it, naturally (to me) was LH throttle and RH stick.
When it was time to equip my RV-6A I decided to have the best of both worlds
and made the right seat the "primary seat" and put the flight instruments on
the right side. So now I can fly LHT and RHS and see the flight instruments
(with my bi-focals!) easily enough. The throttle, mixture, etc. are in the
middle so visitors can fly LH stick, RH throttle. The panel is removable and
could be changed to rearrange the flight instruments to the LH side
(although with some effort) if I sold the aircraft and someone wanted
something different.
I am right handed and change to LH stick and write with my right hand on the
occasions when a few notes are needed. This was the usual practise even on
fast jets flying in the bombing pattern and jotting down a bomb score after
each pass. IFR clearances were copied on the ground while stationary or else
just memorized and dealt with in the air (few discussions, just decisions,
are needed in a single seat airplane).
Even now, flying a Dash-8 professionally, sitting in the right seat and
flying RH yoke, LH power levers seems more natural.
Jim Oke
Winnipeg, MB
RV-3, RV-6A
(Do not archive)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> On 7:18 06/07/2004 Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org> wrote:
> > I can appreciate your not wanting to switch from what you have the most
> > experience with. All my early flying was with the military
> > configuration, and I doubt I'll ever feel comfortable the other way.
> > (Some people say they quickly learned to change hands. I say you don't
> > know until you try formation. If someone flies formation well both ways,
> > with equal comfort, then they've made the switch.)
>
> For what it's worth, here's another data point.
>
> I grew up at my local airport, and over the years had many rides in many
> different aircraft. Always, I was right-hand-stick, left-hand-throttle
> (RHS-LHT), in every airplane. In any side-by-side aircraft, I would
always
> be in the right seat. In any tandem, it didn't matter which seat.
>
> When I did my private license, I flew Cessna 152's exclusively, from the
> left seat. I don't recall the transition to left-hand-stick,
> right-hand-throttle (LHS-RHT) being a problem, but I was still relatively
> green as a pilot. After the 45 hours for my license, I switched to our
> club's tandem-seat homebuilt, and back to RHS-LHT. I *immediately* felt
> more comfortable. About 200 hours later, I started learning formation
> flying, and eventually transitioned to RV's and have been helping to give
> formation instruction to others.
>
> I recently had my first experience flying an RV-6 in formation from the
> left seat (until now i've been in RV-6 right seat, or RV-6 left seat with
> dual throttles, or tandem-seat configurations). That was a real
challenge,
> every time I wanted a power correction I would fly up or down out of
> position, and every time I wanted a vertical position correction I would
> move ahead and back, as my "formation hands" were still thinking in
> reverse. It took most of that hour's flight to get even slightly
> comfortable holding position, and the landing back at the airport was all
> over the place for the same reasons.
>
> So, i've decided that my RV will have a left-hand throttle for the pilot.
> Either it will be center-mounted and available to both seats, and I will
> fly it from the right seat, or it will be left-side mounted, and will be
> only available to the left seat. I find I can operate anything on the
dash
> fine with my left hand, and I usually don't need to write anything down
> while flying... The times I do, I can switch hands.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> -Rob Prior
> RV-7 Empennage
> rv7 "at" b4.ca
>
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| Subject: | Re: Click patches ?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Myers <jmyers@powernet.org>
Click fasteners on page 105 of 03-04 catalog
P/N 04-06015 for the repair patch kit
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen sensor |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I have an Av-Mix oxygen sensor on one pipe of my Vetterman crossover
exhaust. I have had it for around 6 to 7 years, and only needed to replace
the sensor ($20 or so at NAPA) once in that time.
I also have an Electronics International EGT and can cross check it against
the Av-Mix...seems good agreement. Also both those systems come pretty close
to the Lycoming advise of leaning to roughness, then enriching to
smoothness. The difference is pretty small.
I have been setting the mixture on the O-320 for over 400 hours using the
oxygen sensor and haven't hurt a thing.
But, there are folks who want to argue about the benefits of sliced bread
too it seems.
Whatever you like, go for it !
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Re: Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Alex Peterson wrote:
> FWIW, the cracks on my rudder on equally distributed on both the left
> and right sides.
>
> Alex Peterson
Bummer, Alex.
By the way, your post prompted my less than perfect memory to recall
that some rudder skins cracked at the spar rivets which Vans suspected
was due to having a too sharp transition to the rolled leading edge at
the spar. But the cracks on older RVs in my area have occurred at the
leading rivet in some of the stiffeners where the skin is most apt to flex.
One of our RV-4 pilots extended the stiffeners and tied them to the spar
when he rebuilt his rudder which resulted in a very stiff rudder skin.
The cracks at three of the stiffeners on my rudder appeared many, many
hours ago underneath the paint and spread about 1/4" but have not spread
further, possibly because the cracks relieved the stress. I will
probably repair the cracks at some point because I don't want the
heavier replacement skin on the tail of my RV-6. The Click patches are
an intriguing option. Thanks for the update on the Spruce numbers, Doug!
Sam Buchanan
http://thervjournal.com
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| Subject: | N766DH First Flight! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fresnosheriff.org>
Dan,
Here's wishin' you clear skies & many smiles. CONGRATULATIONS !!!
Chuck
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Hopperdhh@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: N766DH First Flight!
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Hello All RVers,
RV-7A N766DH (Kit number 70066 -- pretty original huh?) took me for a
wonderful ride last evening, the same day the inspection was signed off.
No problems at all with the airplane. It was a little hazy and I kept losing
the airport since it was not my home field and the RV covers 2 or 3 miles
very quickly! So I hate to admit it, but much of the flight was spent trying to
locate the airport. That happened maybe 3 times! It is a 2000 foot grass
strip (8I3 near Kokomo, IN). Of course I was concerned about the landing, but
it
went perfectly.
What a dream of an airplane. Let me tell you, it is certainly worth all the
effort spent building to finally fly it. I have so much yet to learn about it
though, but it seems friendly enough.
Thank the Lord, my wife and Vans, and of course all the help that comes from
those of you on the rv-list.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (Starting Phase I flight testing)
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| Subject: | Re: N766DH First Flight! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Serge Boucher" <serge.boucher4@sympatico.ca>
Congratulation, many more flight looking for airports.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hopperdhh@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: N766DH First Flight!
> --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
> Hello All RVers,
>
> RV-7A N766DH (Kit number 70066 -- pretty original huh?) took me for a
> wonderful ride last evening, the same day the inspection was signed off.
>
> No problems at all with the airplane. It was a little hazy and I kept
losing
> the airport since it was not my home field and the RV covers 2 or 3 miles
> very quickly! So I hate to admit it, but much of the flight was spent
trying to
> locate the airport. That happened maybe 3 times! It is a 2000 foot grass
> strip (8I3 near Kokomo, IN). Of course I was concerned about the landing,
but it
> went perfectly.
>
> What a dream of an airplane. Let me tell you, it is certainly worth all
the
> effort spent building to finally fly it. I have so much yet to learn
about it
> though, but it seems friendly enough.
>
> Thank the Lord, my wife and Vans, and of course all the help that comes
from
> those of you on the rv-list.
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A (Starting Phase I flight testing)
>
>
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07/07/2004 15:12:50,
Serialize complete at 07/07/2004 15:12:50
--> RV-List message posted by: Donald Nowakowski <nowakod@us.ibm.com>
Michael,
In response to your abbreviated post below: I have had a Champ since 1991.
I built my -6 starting in 1995 and finally finishing in 2001. I worried
about the throttle/stick position through the whole building process but
finally decided to just go with the plans. So...the Champ has throttle on
the left and stick is held with the right hand. The -6 has the throttle in
the right hand and the stick in the left. The worry was unfounded as I
didn't even notice the difference on the first flight. Now I routinely
jump out of the Champ and into the -6, and vice versa, and never even
think about the throttle/stick position. I think you will find the same
thing. I don't know if this will help you make a decision or not but
perhaps it will provide food for thought......don
P.S. both planes seem "as comfortable as can be" to me.....
Time: 06:20:59 AM PST US
Subject: RV-List: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ?
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
OK you ole timers and vastly experienced pilots here goes.
I have been flying my 6 for the past 2 years left seat right throttle
for 1200 hours. Its as comfortable as comfortable can be. In preparation
for my 8, I have been flying right seat left throttle in the 6 just to
get a feel and begin a transition. After 10 or so of these awarkward
flights, I am now asking myself, " Why a left throttle in a tandem?"
Don Nowakowski , Equipment Engineering Tech
Telephone (802)288-3359,
Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an
even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving
of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.
---- Original author unknown, dates back to World War II
advisory.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Tom:
As I understand it, they have NEVER closed the field to arriving SHOW
aircraft. Your HR-II is a SHOW aircraft so do not worry about the field
closing. As I understand it, they will close the field to SPAM Cans.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,522 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: RV-List: osh
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
I plan on arriving at OSH on Monday, the day before OSH starts. I was told
that the parking areas may be filled by then. When do they start to divert
aircraft to other fields?
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Hi List,
My last airplane was a Diamond DA-20/ Conti, with left stick and right
throttle, I checked out in it from the right seat as I just finished 200
hours in a Kitfox from the right seat.
When I left the airport after the checkout I just jumped in the left seat
and flew off with no concern at all. I really don't thinks it matters if
you are a good and careful pilot. If you have any doubts then please sit
where you feel good about it.
I think Van G. flys from the right seat all the time. I also know that Ed
Downs flys his Kitfoxes from the right when he can.
Sooooo! you pay your monies and takes your choice. nuf said!
Vic
About to go to the dark side with a (ugh) flying Glastar from the left!
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Nowakowski" <nowakod@us.ibm.com>
Subject: RV-List:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Donald Nowakowski <nowakod@us.ibm.com>
>
> Michael,
>
> In response to your abbreviated post below: I have had a Champ since 1991.
> I built my -6 starting in 1995 and finally finishing in 2001. I worried
> about the throttle/stick position through the whole building process but
> finally decided to just go with the plans. So...the Champ has throttle on
> the left and stick is held with the right hand. The -6 has the throttle in
> the right hand and the stick in the left. The worry was unfounded as I
> didn't even notice the difference on the first flight. Now I routinely
> jump out of the Champ and into the -6, and vice versa, and never even
> think about the throttle/stick position. I think you will find the same
> thing. I don't know if this will help you make a decision or not but
> perhaps it will provide food for thought......don
>
> P.S. both planes seem "as comfortable as can be" to me.....
>
>
> Time: 06:20:59 AM PST US
> Subject: RV-List: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ?
> From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
> <mstewart@iss.net>
>
> OK you ole timers and vastly experienced pilots here goes.
>
>
> I have been flying my 6 for the past 2 years left seat right throttle
> for 1200 hours. Its as comfortable as comfortable can be. In preparation
> for my 8, I have been flying right seat left throttle in the 6 just to
> get a feel and begin a transition. After 10 or so of these awarkward
> flights, I am now asking myself, " Why a left throttle in a tandem?"
>
> Don Nowakowski , Equipment Engineering Tech
> Telephone (802)288-3359,
>
> Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an
> even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving
> of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.
>
> ---- Original author unknown, dates back to World War II
> advisory.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Operating Efficiently Lean Of Peak |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
Scroll down to
Hangar Echoes Article: GAMIjectors
You'll need to click on the Link to newsletter, a 1.5 Mb PDF file. You can
save the NL like I did. It's a great example of an EAA Chapter newsletter.
Mike
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode, RD-1C, EC-2
At 07:03 2004-07-07, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>Can you narrow down the location a little more, I am having trouble finding
>the article.
>
>At 06:43 AM 7/7/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Howard Walrath <der_jagdflieger@prodigy.net>
> >
> >The recent rv-list posts on EI versus magnetoes
> >for LOP operation was interesting and informative.
> >Several posters pointed out that a matched set of
> >injectors was key to efficient operation Lean Of Peak.
> >
> >
> >The Van's Airforce World Wide Wing homepage
> >has an article on this subject I wrote that was in EAA Chapter 168's
> >newsletter. The url for the
> >Van's Airforce World Wide Wing homepage
> >homepage is www.vansairforce.net . The
> >"THE RV NEWS" column on the homepage
> >discusses the article andcontains a link to the
> >entire issue.
> >
> >
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Infinity-grip trim relays |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
Hi Guys!
I'm fleshing out the systems portion of my RV-8. I intend to use the
Infinity stick grip for controlling my aileron and elevator trim through the
ubitquitious "coolie hat", and my flaps through another toggle on the grip.
I'm soliciting input from you Infinty-flyers out there on what you used on
your RV and why you like it.
I intend to give the back-seater flap and trim controls but wish to keep the
simple manual [non-relayed] rocker switches for that seat. Can someone who
has already been through this offer up a little guidance? Is there any such
thing as "keeping this simple"?
1] Can I go with what seems to be the simple route and use the trim/relay
board available from Infinty?
2] Will the standard trim-motor speed be usable or will I absoulutely need
some method of controlling how fast the trim operates. [I've only flown
manual-trim RVs]
3] Where are most folks placing the toggle switch for their flaps?
4] What the heck are you guys doing with all the other switch positions?
Freq flip/flop? Ident? Worth the effort?
5] Favorite place for the PTT?
6] Especially valuable would be any "wish I hadn't done it that way"
experiences.
Thanks!
TT
Atlanta, GA RV-8QB Systems and wiring
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--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
The field may close for factory but NEVER for show planes. May have to park
in Fonde North which is south of the south end of runway 18-36 but they
have people movers.
Cy Galley - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair
Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: RV-List: osh
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> I plan on arriving at OSH on Monday, the day before OSH starts. I was
told that the parking areas may be filled by then. When do they start to
divert aircraft to other fields?
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
>
> do not archive
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fresnosheriff.org>
No... Vic don't go glass !!! Stay in the light. Do it for the children.
Remember to recycle.
Friends don't let friends fly glass.
Heck, what are you gonna prime?
Well, hopefully it's at least a "Manly" tail-dragger.... (isn't it?).
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Vic Jacko
Subject: Re: RV-List:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Hi List,
My last airplane was a Diamond DA-20/ Conti, with left stick and right
throttle, I checked out in it from the right seat as I just finished 200
hours in a Kitfox from the right seat.
When I left the airport after the checkout I just jumped in the left seat
and flew off with no concern at all. I really don't thinks it matters if
you are a good and careful pilot. If you have any doubts then please sit
where you feel good about it.
I think Van G. flys from the right seat all the time. I also know that Ed
Downs flys his Kitfoxes from the right when he can.
Sooooo! you pay your monies and takes your choice. nuf said!
Vic
About to go to the dark side with a (ugh) flying Glastar from the left!
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Nowakowski" <nowakod@us.ibm.com>
Subject: RV-List:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Donald Nowakowski <nowakod@us.ibm.com>
>
> Michael,
>
> In response to your abbreviated post below: I have had a Champ since 1991.
> I built my -6 starting in 1995 and finally finishing in 2001. I worried
> about the throttle/stick position through the whole building process but
> finally decided to just go with the plans. So...the Champ has throttle on
> the left and stick is held with the right hand. The -6 has the throttle in
> the right hand and the stick in the left. The worry was unfounded as I
> didn't even notice the difference on the first flight. Now I routinely
> jump out of the Champ and into the -6, and vice versa, and never even
> think about the throttle/stick position. I think you will find the same
> thing. I don't know if this will help you make a decision or not but
> perhaps it will provide food for thought......don
>
> P.S. both planes seem "as comfortable as can be" to me.....
>
>
> Time: 06:20:59 AM PST US
> Subject: RV-List: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ?
> From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
> <mstewart@iss.net>
>
> OK you ole timers and vastly experienced pilots here goes.
>
>
> I have been flying my 6 for the past 2 years left seat right throttle
> for 1200 hours. Its as comfortable as comfortable can be. In preparation
> for my 8, I have been flying right seat left throttle in the 6 just to
> get a feel and begin a transition. After 10 or so of these awarkward
> flights, I am now asking myself, " Why a left throttle in a tandem?"
>
> Don Nowakowski , Equipment Engineering Tech
> Telephone (802)288-3359,
>
> Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an
> even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving
> of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.
>
> ---- Original author unknown, dates back to World War II
> advisory.
>
>
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| Subject: | Infinity-grip trim relays |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Tom,
Great questions. I only have a couple of comments. I just sent a check to
Infinity for my RV-8A front seat stick grip, and got a call from JD last
night.
First, he says that the trigger is the most common place for the PTT. I had
another idea, but since all the switches are going to be momentary contact
normally open (I think), I can change most anything if I don't like the way
I wire it the first time.
I too am figuring on minimal back seat switches, and I don't think I will
put any of them on the stick. Trim and flaps will go just below the back
seat throttle. I haven't convinced myself yet that I need a back seat PTT.
I put my flap switch on the panel right above the throttle where I can
control it with my left hand still on the throttle/prop/mixture controls.
The boost pump switch is right above it, so neither of those will go on the
stick grip.
JD said the long awaited throttle grip with many switches will go into
production this Fall. It could reproduce all the controls on my Blue
Mountain EFIS/one, but I have already mounted Blue Mountain's remote keypad
right beside the flaps and boost pump switches above the throttle.
Terry
RV-8A #80729 vsb wiring & stuff
Seattle
I intend to give the back-seater flap and trim controls but wish to keep
the
simple manual [non-relayed] rocker switches for that seat. Can someone who
has already been through this offer up a little guidance? Is there any such
thing as "keeping this simple"?
1] Can I go with what seems to be the simple route and use the trim/relay
board available from Infinty?
2] Will the standard trim-motor speed be usable or will I absoulutely need
some method of controlling how fast the trim operates. [I've only flown
manual-trim RVs]
3] Where are most folks placing the toggle switch for their flaps?
4] What the heck are you guys doing with all the other switch positions?
Freq flip/flop? Ident? Worth the effort?
5] Favorite place for the PTT?
6] Especially valuable would be any "wish I hadn't done it that way"
experiences.
Thanks!
TT
Atlanta, GA RV-8QB Systems and wiring
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| Subject: | Reply to Stein's post re MAP |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Stiein,
We've spoken on the phone, I've bought stuff from you. You are a good guy, but
I have to respectfully tell you your post describing why price fixing is good
made absolutely no sense. Dealers drop the price until they are making the minimum
amount that they can make. Those that sell for too little die. Prices come
up and the process continues until equilibrium is achieved. This is the basis
of free market economics.
If the product being sold benefits from a lot of touchy feeley "value add" then
the low cost provider will not always win. If there is not a value add, then
it is a comodity. A comodity is assumed to be the same product regardless of who
you buy it from.
You are a perfect example. I buy nice faston connectors from you for 1/2 of what
AC$pruce sells them for. Why, because I know your 1/2 off faston is the same
as someone elses faston. A handheld GPS is the same. I don't need some schlumpf
showing me how to use it. I'll read the manual and figure it out for myself.
So in the end a high end avionics shop has nothing to offer ME (thats key) in
the purchase of a handheld over a low end mail ordeer only place. If I were
a GPS novice, I'd spend a few extra bucks from the high end avionics shop to get
handholding.
I'm done venting. In the end a handheld GPS is no different to most of us than
a Molex connector. The brand matters, not the source. Actually that doesn't work
for me, I know nothing about molex connectors and would probably need some
handholding from you to select the right one. (In that case I'd be willing to
spend more for the value add) But not for a handheld GPS.
Don
Get tips for maintaining your PC, notebook accessories and reviews in Technology
101.
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--> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
Go to:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-6int.htm
Scroll down until you find the view you want.
Hit ALT-PRT SC on your computer
Go to your Paint program.
Hit CTRL-V on your computer
Use the Select tool in the Paint program and Cut only the view you want.
Paste to a new Paint file.
Repeat until you have all the views. You can paste them all to the same
file or to a separate file for each.
Write to me off line if you need more information.
Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage
Do not archive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(Snip)
>From: "knology" <edchristian@knology.net>
>Does anybody have some good drawings of 6 so I can figure out paint
scheme?
>Need something that works in paint or graphics program, JPEG, PNG
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| Subject: | Re: N766DH First Flight! |
--> RV-List message posted by: richard dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Congratulations Dan!!!!
Richard Dudley
-6A painting
Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
>Hello All RVers,
>
>RV-7A N766DH (Kit number 70066 -- pretty original huh?) took me for a
>wonderful ride last evening, the same day the inspection was signed off.
>
>No problems at all with the airplane. It was a little hazy and I kept losing
>the airport since it was not my home field and the RV covers 2 or 3 miles
>very quickly! So I hate to admit it, but much of the flight was spent trying
to
>locate the airport. That happened maybe 3 times! It is a 2000 foot grass
>strip (8I3 near Kokomo, IN). Of course I was concerned about the landing, but
it
>went perfectly.
>
>What a dream of an airplane. Let me tell you, it is certainly worth all the
>effort spent building to finally fly it. I have so much yet to learn about it
>though, but it seems friendly enough.
>
>Thank the Lord, my wife and Vans, and of course all the help that comes from
>those of you on the rv-list.
>
>Dan Hopper
>RV-7A (Starting Phase I flight testing)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cracks in rudder skin - looking for suggestions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>Tracy Crook wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
>>
>>
>> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com<mailto:deanpichon@msn.com>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > This past weekend, I noticed the first two cracks in the skin
>> > of the rudder
>> > on my -4. I have 200+ hours on the aircraft. It has an
>> > IO-360 (180 hp)
>> > with a CS prop. The cracks are not much of a surprise, but are
>> > disappointing nonetheless. The cracks propagate from two of
>> > the most forward
>> > rivets holding two of the skin stiffeners to the right-side
>> > rudder skin. I
>> > have stop-drilled the cracks and continue to fly, but plan to
>> > start the
>> > fabrication of a new rudder immediately.
>> >
>> > My rudder has the older 0.016" skin and has RTV in the
>> > trailing edge. I
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>> Dean, It's that vibrating thing on the nose that does it.
>> Sorry guys, couldn't stop myself.
>>
>> Tracy Crook
>> Rotary powered RV-4, 1425 hrs, .016 rudder skins, no cracks. (I promise to
stop now)
>>
>>
>
>
>I suspect the rudder cracks are caused not by the vibrating thing on the
>nose but the pounding airflow on the right side of the airframe caused
>by that blade-like thing on the nose (which even the rotary-powered
>planes must carry around). :-)
>
>All the cracked rudders I have seen (including the one on my RV-6) have
>cracks on the right side of the rudder. Wonder if they might also be the
>result of holding right rudder during takeoffs and climbs?
>
>Maybe the rotary powered planes don't have this problem because they
>don't produce as much torque as the Lycomings during takeoff..... :-)
>
>Doug, please research the part number you posted for the click patches;
>I can't get that number to work on Spruce's site (comes up with Cherry
>rivets).
>
>Sam Buchanan (RV-6 with lumpy vibrating thing bolted to nose)
>
My 1st -4 (160hp wood prop) had cracks on both sides of the rudder
starting at around 300hrs. Must have been those torque reversals by that
thang on the front getting at both sides of the rudder.
:-)
Charlie
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
I had one on my KR-2 with a VW engine. I had Westach make a custom quad
gauge with the mixture meter in it. While I waiting on that I used one of
their 2" automotive gauges.
I can't say enough about it. It reacts instantly and is much easier to
adjust the mixture than the EGT. I will never own another plane and not
have one in it.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Louis Willig
Subject: RV-List: Oxygen sensor
--> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig <larywil@comcast.net>
Hi gang.
In a recent post, someone mentioned that they use an oxygen sensor to
adjust their mixture setting. About 4 or 5 years ago, there was a long
string of posts about the use of oxygen sensors. Several builders were
going to try them. But the results were never posted or updated. If any of
you have a good understanding and have had good results using O/S's to help
adjust mixture, please let us know. I would love to have something other
than my EGT gauge.
Louis
-
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
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| Subject: | Re: Operating Efficiently Lean Of Peak |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Operating Efficiently Lean Of Peak
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Scott...
Here is the link to John Deakin's (GAMI) articles on LOP operation.
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182544-1.html
Chris Stone
RV-8 wings
Can you narrow down the location a little more, I am having trouble finding
the article.
At 06:43 AM 7/7/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Howard Walrath <der_jagdflieger@prodigy.net>
>
>The recent rv-list posts on EI versus magnetoes
>for LOP operation was interesting and informative.
>Several posters pointed out that a matched set of
>injectors was key to efficient operation Lean Of Peak.
>
>
>The Van's Airforce World Wide Wing homepage
>has an article on this subject I wrote that was in EAA Chapter 168's
>newsletter. The url for the
>Van's Airforce World Wide Wing homepage
>homepage is www.vansairforce.net . The
>"THE RV NEWS" column on the homepage
>discusses the article andcontains a link to the
>entire issue.
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity-grip trim relays |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
1. I did a simple relay that you can see on my website.
2. You will need a speed control to slow it down, imho.
3. Be careful here. I had the toggle on the top, next to the china hat
switch. I inadvertently activated it once while cruising at 190MPH. Scared
the daylights out of me and my wife. I had a flight guide in my hand I was
thumbing through and it bumped the flaps down. Luckily it was a momentary
switch, so not too much flaps came down.
4. For me, I don't think it's worth the effort. While I really liked the
grips, and think JD makes a great product, I don't think I'd do it again.
The only things I used were, PTT, flaps, and trim. I thought I would used
flip flop, engine start, a/p disconnect. The wiring time and complexity I
had to do just to get those three functions was enough in itself, so I gave
up on the other functions.
I did enjoy the trim and flaps right there, though. Short final, I could
give a bump of flaps or something if I was too steep and wanted to slow
down. Plus, I could run them up without holding the switch, as I used the
monentary/off/on switch for the flaps. I think with the RV-10 it's going to
be based on the KISS principle, and the grips will not be used.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
Subject: RV-List: Infinity-grip trim relays
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
>
> Hi Guys!
>
> I'm fleshing out the systems portion of my RV-8. I intend to use the
> Infinity stick grip for controlling my aileron and elevator trim through
the
> ubitquitious "coolie hat", and my flaps through another toggle on the
grip.
> I'm soliciting input from you Infinty-flyers out there on what you used on
> your RV and why you like it.
>
> I intend to give the back-seater flap and trim controls but wish to keep
the
> simple manual [non-relayed] rocker switches for that seat. Can someone
who
> has already been through this offer up a little guidance? Is there any
such
> thing as "keeping this simple"?
>
> 1] Can I go with what seems to be the simple route and use the trim/relay
> board available from Infinty?
>
> 2] Will the standard trim-motor speed be usable or will I absoulutely need
> some method of controlling how fast the trim operates. [I've only flown
> manual-trim RVs]
>
> 3] Where are most folks placing the toggle switch for their flaps?
>
> 4] What the heck are you guys doing with all the other switch positions?
> Freq flip/flop? Ident? Worth the effort?
>
> 5] Favorite place for the PTT?
>
> 6] Especially valuable would be any "wish I hadn't done it that way"
> experiences.
>
> Thanks!
>
> TT
> Atlanta, GA RV-8QB Systems and wiring
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity-grip trim relays |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Barnes" <skytop@megsinet.net>
Tom,
I have an RV-6 with both sticks setup with the Infinity. Both the pilot
and co-pilot controls are wired for flaps and pitch and roll trim. I
control the usage of the flaps and trim via a toggle switch on the pannel,
labeled "pilot" and "co-pilot" authority. These are the functions that
would cause a short if both switches were exercised opposite at the same
time. The switch merely controls a common ground path.
I have found the trigger is most useful for Push-To-Talk although at
first I would have rather had a standard thumb operated red button. The
reason for my change of mind comes with experience of needing to use the
thumb operated flaps at the same time as being on the PTT during short
final.
I have another button set up to swap frequency of the #2 radio. It is
useful again when you are most busy and want to shut off the receiver for
more important issues. Of course this only accomplishes the task if the
standby freq is tuned appropriately.
I used another button, pilot side only, for overriding the wing leveler.
It is the type push-on, push-off and takes some dicipline to always leave it
in the right position. I have a switch on the panel to control power to the
wing leveler and the wing leveler has its own function switch, so I wouldn't
waste my time on this (stick) feature if I were to do it again.
In time, I might wire up the green button for the starter, but I will
also put a panel switch in-line so it can not be accidently activated.
I took the advice of the guy at Infinity on using the momentary
(spring-loaded) flaps down and non-momentary for flaps up. I think I would
be happier with the spring loaded on both sides, because too often I forget
to turn off the flaps and during landing roll-out, it's nearly impossible to
hear the flap motor running. Even if there was a flashing light associated
with the condition, I'm not sure I'd be paying much attention to it.
All the relays and associated wiring from the sticks come together in
one of the bays under the co-pilot seat over which I installed an inspection
panel, so as to not have to pull the seat panel.
A multi-function grip like this is surely something I would want to have
in my next project.
Good luck,
Tom Barnes -6 36+ hrs N442TB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
Subject: RV-List: Infinity-grip trim relays
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
>
> Hi Guys!
>
> I'm fleshing out the systems portion of my RV-8. I intend to use the
> Infinity stick grip for controlling my aileron and elevator trim through
the
> ubitquitious "coolie hat", and my flaps through another toggle on the
grip.
> I'm soliciting input from you Infinty-flyers out there on what you used on
> your RV and why you like it.
>
> I intend to give the back-seater flap and trim controls but wish to keep
the
> simple manual [non-relayed] rocker switches for that seat. Can someone
who
> has already been through this offer up a little guidance? Is there any
such
> thing as "keeping this simple"?
>
> 1] Can I go with what seems to be the simple route and use the trim/relay
> board available from Infinty?
>
> 2] Will the standard trim-motor speed be usable or will I absoulutely need
> some method of controlling how fast the trim operates. [I've only flown
> manual-trim RVs]
>
> 3] Where are most folks placing the toggle switch for their flaps?
>
> 4] What the heck are you guys doing with all the other switch positions?
> Freq flip/flop? Ident? Worth the effort?
>
> 5] Favorite place for the PTT?
>
> 6] Especially valuable would be any "wish I hadn't done it that way"
> experiences.
>
> Thanks!
>
> TT
> Atlanta, GA RV-8QB Systems and wiring
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Anyone know if this was an RV? The cowl looks like one.
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/us2.jsp
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040707%2F1434944465.htm&sc=1110&flok=NW_3-T
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi Drilling Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Lockamy, Jack L wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Lockamy, Jack L" <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
>
>Why is 5/32" too large? It worked well for me and I'm sure thousands of other
RV's that have the same plans and instructions....
>
>The pulled/pop/blind rivets fit perfectly if you countersunk the plexi BEFORE
opening up the holes to 5/32" (as mentioned in my construction manual).
>
>Jack
>
>
I agree, I checked the fit of the rivets on mine and they look fine to
me. I learned early that most of the answers I got from the Vans help
line was useless. Evertime I asked a question, they acted like no one
had ever asked that before, and their answers were not much help. Just
like this, the instruction say one thing and someone calls to question
it and gets an answer that no one has ever heard of and does not match
what the instructions say. Do they read their own instruction before
answering a question?
Mine fit fine and I'm happy with them drilled to 5/32 with a plexi bit.
If my canopy flys off later I'll let everyone know ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Was this an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Hard to say,
But the air intake does not look quite right for an RV, like its up
closer to the spinner. But, of course, difficult to tell and someone could
have made mods to an RV cowl.
Ed
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Hester" <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
<rv-list-digest@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Was this an RV?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
> Anyone know if this was an RV? The cowl looks like one.
> http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/us2.jsp
>
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040707%2F1434944465.htm&sc=1110&flok=NW_3-T
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Was this an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
It was identified as a Harmon Rocket. Details at:
http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3502072/detail.html
From my friends at Chino, the pilot commuted from Torrance to Chino,
and owned Square One Aviation, which specialized in warbird
restoration.
Laird RV-6
SoCal
Do Not Archive
On Jul 7, 2004, at 6:09 PM, Bobby Hester wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
> Anyone know if this was an RV? The cowl looks like one.
> http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/us2.jsp
> http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/
> 0001%2F20040707%2F1434944465.htm&sc=1110&flok=NW_3-T
>
> --
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| Subject: | Re: Was this an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
According to this story it was a Harmon Rocket II...
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/politics/9101383.htm
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Was this an RV?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Hard to say,
>
> But the air intake does not look quite right for an RV, like its up
> closer to the spinner. But, of course, difficult to tell and someone
could
> have made mods to an RV cowl.
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
> RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bobby Hester" <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
> To: "RV7and7A" <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>; "RV-List"
> <rv-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Was this an RV?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
> >
> > Anyone know if this was an RV? The cowl looks like one.
> > http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/us2.jsp
> >
>
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040707%2F1434944465.htm&sc=1110&flok=NW_3-T
> >
> > --
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> > Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
> > RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Was this an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Friends and neighbors identified the pilot as Ross K. Anderson of Rancho
Palos Verdes, a former Navy pilot with airline transport and commercial
pilot licenses.
Sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino said investigators believe the pilot was
the only person in the plane.
Anderson flew the plane regularly to his office in Chino, said Frank Lyon, a
friend from Rancho Palos Verdes. "It was his project, and he was really
proud of it. Every rivet was a piece of art,'' he said.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laird Owens" <owens@aerovironment.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Was this an RV?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
> It was identified as a Harmon Rocket. Details at:
> http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3502072/detail.html
>
> From my friends at Chino, the pilot commuted from Torrance to Chino,
> and owned Square One Aviation, which specialized in warbird
> restoration.
>
> Laird RV-6
> SoCal
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2004, at 6:09 PM, Bobby Hester wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
> >
> > Anyone know if this was an RV? The cowl looks like one.
> > http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/us2.jsp
> > http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/
> > 0001%2F20040707%2F1434944465.htm&sc=1110&flok=NW_3-T
> >
> > --
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> > Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
ID'd as an HRII.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Hester
Subject: RV-List: Was this an RV?
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Anyone know if this was an RV? The cowl looks like one.
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/us2.jsp
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040707%2F1
434944465.htm&sc=1110&flok=NW_3-T
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--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
This was an HRII, as other's have posted. The pilot's
name was Ross Anderson, and he kept his plane right
across from my hangar at Torrance. We talked quite a
bit, and he was a nice guy. I'm sorry to hear about
the accident.
Skylor Piper
RV-8 QB Under Construction
--- Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester
> <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
> Anyone know if this was an RV? The cowl looks like
> one.
> http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/us2.jsp
>
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040707%2F1434944465.htm&sc=1110&flok=NW_3-T
>
> --
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--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
strangely enough, the picture in the link below is
definitely NOT Ross's plane, but who knows, the
picture could be an old file photo.
Here are some pictures of Ross and his plane:
http://www.harmonrocket.com/anderson.htm
--- Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester
> <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
> Anyone know if this was an RV? The cowl looks like
> one.
> http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/us2.jsp
>
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040707%2F1434944465.htm&sc=1110&flok=NW_3-T
>
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| Subject: | Re: Was this an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
One of my FAA friends that built and flys an RV-6 at TOA called me this
morning to let me know the bad news. Ross was a good pilot and a great guy.
We will miss him. Not sure where the cowl came from but it was not the cowl
from his airplane.
Gary A. Sobek
EAA TC
FAA A&P
AB DAR
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,522 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Was this an RV?
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
This was an HRII, as other's have posted. The pilot's
name was Ross Anderson, and he kept his plane right
across from my hangar at Torrance. We talked quite a
bit, and he was a nice guy. I'm sorry to hear about
the accident.
Skylor Piper
RV-8 QB Under Construction
--- Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester
> <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
> Anyone know if this was an RV? The cowl looks like
> one.
> http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/us2.jsp
>
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040707%2F1434944465.htm&sc=1110&flok=NW_3-T
>
> --
> Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
> Visit my web site at:
> http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
> RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
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