---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/08/04: 49 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:09 AM - superior engine (Allarzil@aol.com) 2. 02:18 AM - superior engine (Allarzil@aol.com) 3. 04:43 AM - Re: Infinity-grip trim relays (Dean Pichon) 4. 05:40 AM - Cheaper 37 degree flair tool (sdellangelo@netzero.com) 5. 05:45 AM - Re: Infinity-grip trim relays (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 6. 06:18 AM - Rv-6/6A Rudder (sjhdcl@kingston.net) 7. 06:18 AM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 8. 06:34 AM - Re: N766DH First Flight! (Charles Rowbotham) 9. 06:54 AM - Re: Was this an RV? (Hal Rozema) 10. 07:29 AM - Re: Rv-6/6A Rudder (Ben Cunningham) 11. 08:34 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (LeastDrag93066@aol.com) 12. 09:11 AM - Re: Infinity-grip trim relays (Michael D Crowe) 13. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (John Helms) 14. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (Rabaut, Chuck) 15. 10:22 AM - Electronic Ignition... (Bill VonDane) 16. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (Bob 1) 17. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (Dwight Frye) 18. 11:31 AM - Hartzell prop & gov for sale (LeastDrag93066@aol.com) 19. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (John Helms) 20. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (Rabaut, Chuck) 21. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (Rabaut, Chuck) 22. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (Rabaut, Chuck) 23. 12:47 PM - Re: superior engine (J. R. Dial) 24. 12:59 PM - Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? (Bruce Green) 25. 12:59 PM - Items for Sale (Tommy Walker) 26. 01:01 PM - Poor man's toy? (LML Klingmuller) 27. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 28. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (John Helms) 29. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (Dj Merrill) 30. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (John Helms) 31. 02:11 PM - Isn't this enough? (Konrad Werner) 32. 02:53 PM - Headwind vs Tailwind was: Poor man's toy? (Vic Jacko) 33. 03:11 PM - Re: Plexi Drilling Question (bertrv6@highstream.net) 34. 03:29 PM - Re: Headwind vs Tailwind was: Poor man's toy? (Chris W) 35. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (Bill Cloughley) 36. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (Dj Merrill) 37. 04:24 PM - Re: Headwind vs Tailwind was: Poor man's toy? (Hal / Carol Kempthorne) 38. 04:28 PM - Re: Rv-6/6A Rudder (Rquinn1@aol.com) 39. 04:45 PM - Operating costs - MADHIT & FEMPI (Hal / Carol Kempthorne) 40. 05:47 PM - Re: Sensenich prop rpm (John Decuir) 41. 06:14 PM - Re: Isn't this enough? (Kathleen (rv7)) 42. 06:46 PM - Re: Isn't this enough? (Cory Emberson) 43. 06:53 PM - Re: Headwind vs Tailwind was: Poor man's toy? (Dan Checkoway) 44. 07:17 PM - Re: [rv_list] Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (Wayne R. Couture) 45. 08:09 PM - Re: Isn't this enough? (Kathleen (rv7)) 46. 08:41 PM - Re: Isn't this enough? (Cory Emberson) 47. 09:54 PM - Anyone heard of this? (Matt Johnson) 48. 10:01 PM - Re: Isn't this enough? (Konrad Werner) 49. 10:07 PM - Re: Isn't this enough? (Cory Emberson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:32 AM PST US From: Allarzil@aol.com Subject: RV-List: superior engine below@matronics.com, pts@matronics.com, rule@matronics.com, name@matronics.com, description@matronics.com --> RV-List message posted by: Allarzil@aol.com RV6 homebuilder, I expect to equip my rv6 with SUPERIOR XP 360 engine with carb and fixed propeller. Has somebody ever got the experience of this engine ?, with succes? Alain Larzilliere ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:00 AM PST US From: Allarzil@aol.com Subject: RV-List: superior engine below@matronics.com, pts@matronics.com, rule@matronics.com, name@matronics.com, description@matronics.com --> RV-List message posted by: Allarzil@aol.com RV6 homebuilder, I expect to equip my rv6 with SUPERIOR XP 360 engine with carb and fixed propeller. Has somebody ever got the experience of this engine ?, with succes? Alain Larzilliere ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:15 AM PST US From: "Dean Pichon" Subject: RE: RV-List: Infinity-grip trim relays --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" I have 200+ hours on my -4 with an Infinity grip in only the front cockpit and love it. I decided the complexity of the Infinity grip was not warranted in the back seat. I use the "trigger" button as the PTT. In addition to PTT, I use one momentary switch for the starter solenoid. This allows me to have one hand on the stick and the other on the throttle & mixture levers during starting. This seems to work well. Like you plan, I have two-axis trim using the coolie hat switch. I wired my flaps using the "paddle" (?) switch to the left of the trim switch. This is very convenient. I used the remaining switches for transponder ident and radio frequency flip-flop. For whatever reason, I have not yet gotten into the habit of using these last two switches. I recently installed a PTT in the rear seat so my wife can talk to other aircraft when we fly. I opted not to mount the switch on the stick to prevent the back seater from moving the stick when activating the PTT. This is especially important when your back seater is not a pilot or is not familiar with the light stick forces of an RV. I did not bother to slow down the trim servos for either the elevator or aileron. I have read many other posts about the excessive speeds of the MAC servos, but I have not found it to be a problem. If anything, I wish the aileron trim reacted more quickly. Pitch trim is fast, but not a problem. Good luck, Dean ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Turbo Tom" Subject: RV-List: Infinity-grip trim relays --> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" Hi Guys! I'm fleshing out the systems portion of my RV-8. I intend to use the Infinity stick grip for controlling my aileron and elevator trim through the ubitquitious "coolie hat", and my flaps through another toggle on the grip. I'm soliciting input from you Infinty-flyers out there on what you used on your RV and why you like it. I intend to give the back-seater flap and trim controls but wish to keep the simple manual [non-relayed] rocker switches for that seat. Can someone who has already been through this offer up a little guidance? Is there any such thing as "keeping this simple"? 1] Can I go with what seems to be the simple route and use the trim/relay board available from Infinty? 2] Will the standard trim-motor speed be usable or will I absoulutely need some method of controlling how fast the trim operates. [I've only flown manual-trim RVs] 3] Where are most folks placing the toggle switch for their flaps? 4] What the heck are you guys doing with all the other switch positions? Freq flip/flop? Ident? Worth the effort? 5] Favorite place for the PTT? 6] Especially valuable would be any "wish I hadn't done it that way" experiences. Thanks! TT Atlanta, GA RV-8QB Systems and wiring ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:52 AM PST US From: "sdellangelo@netzero.com" Subject: RV-List: Cheaper 37 degree flair tool Rule breakdown below pts rule name description --> RV-List message posted by: "sdellangelo@netzero.com" I noticed in the new Summit Racing catalog that they now have a 37 degree one. The part number is SUM-900311 and it's $34.95. I believe they are free shipping too? Scott DellAngelo #90598 flaps, fuselage shipping 7/19 Looking for an O-320 Only $14.95/ month -visit www.netzero.com to sign up today! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Infinity-grip trim relays From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Tom, You will want some pitch trim speed control. It really makes a difference at fast cruise, particularly with your fast Franklin. You will be cruising I suspect well into the 185kt range. Since I KNOW you will be flying a lot of formation with Team RV, I would suggest: 1. A mom on switch for flip flop.. This really makes a difference Tom. I use it to swap radios. But you can use it either way. In formation, this is quite helpful for those freq changes where lead did not spread you first, although I do not know of any particular lead that does this:) 2. a toggle for hi/low speed trim. Anything over 170kt cruise and I think this is a must. There are those that don't have this option and don't complain. I put mine in at about the 200hr mark and I really enjoy it. 3. A sw for smoke. You will have smoke wont you? I think flaps and starter on the grip is a bad idea. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Turbo Tom Subject: RV-List: Infinity-grip trim relays --> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" Hi Guys! I'm fleshing out the systems portion of my RV-8. I intend to use the Infinity stick grip for controlling my aileron and elevator trim through the ubitquitious "coolie hat", and my flaps through another toggle on the grip. I'm soliciting input from you Infinty-flyers out there on what you used on your RV and why you like it. I intend to give the back-seater flap and trim controls but wish to keep the simple manual [non-relayed] rocker switches for that seat. Can someone who has already been through this offer up a little guidance? Is there any such thing as "keeping this simple"? 1] Can I go with what seems to be the simple route and use the trim/relay board available from Infinty? 2] Will the standard trim-motor speed be usable or will I absoulutely need some method of controlling how fast the trim operates. [I've only flown manual-trim RVs] 3] Where are most folks placing the toggle switch for their flaps? 4] What the heck are you guys doing with all the other switch positions? Freq flip/flop? Ident? Worth the effort? 5] Favorite place for the PTT? 6] Especially valuable would be any "wish I hadn't done it that way" experiences. Thanks! TT Atlanta, GA RV-8QB Systems and wiring == == == == ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:03 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Rv-6/6A Rudder From: sjhdcl@kingston.net below@matronics.com, pts@matronics.com, rule@matronics.com, name@matronics.com, description@matronics.com --> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net For those experiences small cracks on their RV6/6A rudders I have a new one sitting here that someone can buy if they wish. Shipping may be a bit but if anybody wants it let me know. Its from a 1999 kit and is completely finished and primed inside. Fiberglass pieces are here somewhere. $100? Stand-by for several items coming up for sale. The token, cleaning out the hanger/garage sale. Steve Hurlbut RV7A 70015 - 103 hours & sold RV7A 71629 - Fuse ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:36 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Rule breakdown below pts rule name description --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" This was sent to me directly and worthy of archiving. -----Original Message----- From: Glen Matejcek [mailto:aerobubba@earthlink.net] Subject: Throttles Hi Mike- "But other duties, like writing, knob turning, button pushing and so forth, will always be bad with the weak hand. When bumping around in the soup for example and getting new freqs, or pulling up the approach in a 430, when accuracy and feel are critical, would you want to put stick in left hand and do those functions with the right? " FWIW, my .02, ymmv, etc, as well as apologizing in advance for the length of this note.... You're right, changing which hand you fly with is trivial. CFI's do it all the time. Like most things in life, it is all the other stuff that's an issue. As someone who has sat in and taught from both sides of highly automated (read LOTS of buttons, knobs, and other gadgets with complex operations) cockpits, both stick and yoke equipped, I can tell you definitively that you and your left hand will acclimate just fine. Making a grip switch to write rapidly becomes trivial. I even knew a fella who got his private, including the instrument work, in a Citabria. Who ever heard of an IFR-equipped Citabria? But it can be done, with the proper ground rules / priorities. Task management is the key. In air carrier ops, one guy flies, the other does everything else. The busier you are the more important this is. The part about pulling up approaches can be relatively easy. If you look at the wx / access the notams and atis, you can set up the most likely approach before you even take off, or at least somewhere far out and at cruise. The part of your note that concerns me most is the "When bumping around in the soup for example..." line. Mike, if you go bumping around in the soup in that nimble an airplane and hand fly it and try to write stuff down, you WILL get vertigo sooner or later. If this is how you plan on using your plane and you can afford a 430, it seems to me you can afford at least a wing leveler. As much as I dislike the concept of an autopilot in this type of aircraft, it's the route I went in the interest of keeping the love of my life (as well as myself...) alive. The autopilot will fly the plane, and I'll be the task manager. For your consideration, here are some quotes from the conclusion section of "Operational Problems Experienced By Single Pilots In Instrument Meteorological Conditions", NASA, August 15, 1981: 2. It appears that the operational problems being experienced by the SPIFR (SPIFR single pilot IFR) may be independent of experience. Although this hypothesis needs to be tested more thoroughly, it is suggested that if the hypothesis were found to be valid then remedies to SPIFR operational problems do not lie in improving SPIFR capabilities through more training and experience. Rather the nature of the SPIFR task should be changed through the redesign of cockpit systems and ATC procedures in handling the SPIFR. 3. Safety, Efficiency, and Workload factors are present in SPIFR Operational Problem occurrences. Half of the occurrences involved an act or condition likely to lead to grave consequences, and one-third involved an act or condition of ignorant or imprudent deviation from acceptable procedures. In more than one-third of the occurrences, the efficiency of IFR flight was affected. Depending upon what determinant is used to assess workload, between one-quarter and three-quarters of the occurrences involved workload as a factor (emphasis added). 9. Loss of airplane control generally followed the pilot being distracted. Even relatively experienced pilots lost airplane control. Also, current research (not yet completed) indicates that the average experience level of spatial disorientation victims is on the increase. Food for thought.... Glen Matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:57 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: N766DH First Flight! --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Dan, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: Hopperdhh@aol.com >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: N766DH First Flight! >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:44:00 EDT > >--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > >Hello All RVers, > >RV-7A N766DH (Kit number 70066 -- pretty original huh?) took me for a >wonderful ride last evening, the same day the inspection was signed off. > >No problems at all with the airplane. It was a little hazy and I kept >losing >the airport since it was not my home field and the RV covers 2 or 3 miles >very quickly! So I hate to admit it, but much of the flight was spent >trying to >locate the airport. That happened maybe 3 times! It is a 2000 foot grass >strip (8I3 near Kokomo, IN). Of course I was concerned about the landing, >but it >went perfectly. > >What a dream of an airplane. Let me tell you, it is certainly worth all >the >effort spent building to finally fly it. I have so much yet to learn about >it >though, but it seems friendly enough. > >Thank the Lord, my wife and Vans, and of course all the help that comes >from >those of you on the rv-list. > >Dan Hopper >RV-7A (Starting Phase I flight testing) > > MSN Life Events gives you the tips and tools to handle the turning points in your life. http://lifeevents.msn.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:58 AM PST US From: Hal Rozema Subject: Re: RV-List: Was this an RV? --> RV-List message posted by: Hal Rozema Bobby Hester wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester > >Anyone know if this was an RV? The cowl looks like one. >http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/us2.jsp >http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040707%2F1434944465.htm&sc=1110&flok=NW_3-T > > > Hammond Rocket ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:05 AM PST US From: "Ben Cunningham" , , , Subject: Re: RV-List: Rv-6/6A Rudder --> RV-List message posted by: "Ben Cunningham" Steve, Will you be selling any tools? I need a longeron yoke. Ben Cunningham RV7 ----- Original Message ----- From: ; ; ; ; ; Subject: RV-List: Rv-6/6A Rudder > --> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net > > For those experiences small cracks on their RV6/6A rudders I have a new > one sitting here that someone can buy if they wish. > > Shipping may be a bit but if anybody wants it let me know. Its from a 1999 > kit and is completely finished and primed inside. Fiberglass pieces are > here somewhere. > > $100? > > Stand-by for several items coming up for sale. The token, cleaning out the > hanger/garage sale. > > Steve Hurlbut > RV7A 70015 - 103 hours & sold > RV7A 71629 - Fuse > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:12 AM PST US From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 07/08/2004 12:03:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:56:37 AM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" jhelms@i1.net (Stuff Cut) By the way, yes you're wrong, but I don't mean that in a cruel way. (Stuff Cut) JT I really like the way you kept slipping in how wrong I am. I understand your position of being the absolute authority on any insurance question. So I have a question. What does the word "compliance" mean? That is, How would your state department of insurance regard a written presentation in a public forum. Is this advertisement by an insurance agent that would require that agent to include their license number on each presentation? And I could be wrong. But I don't mean that in a cruel way. Jim Ayers ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:08 AM PST US From: "Michael D Crowe" Subject: RE: RV-List: Infinity-grip trim relays --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael D Crowe" Tom, You might want to look at this product for slowing down the trim. http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/tcm.html Mike Crowe -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Turbo Tom Subject: RV-List: Infinity-grip trim relays 2] Will the standard trim-motor speed be usable or will I absoulutely need some method of controlling how fast the trim operates. [I've only flown manual-trim RVs] ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:41 AM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" I was partially yanking your chain with that comment. You seemed to indicate that either myself or Perry's comments (he's an insurance agent if I remember correctly, but doesn't insure planes) or both were a character assasination (sp?) directed at you. I think you should go back and re-read those posts. You had indicated that I could not write an AIG policy, and I want to make it clear that I can indeed use AIG. I am their third largest broker. AIG is often competitive on RV rates. (Primarily for liability only such as you've indicated that you carry.) You seem to really read way too much into what people say on this forum. Apparently, you think that you're been maligned when someone corrects you. Three weeks ago, when correcting a misstatement of yours (medical payments vs. passenger liability) you seemed hurt that I corrected you. I merely want to make sure that the list understands insurance. Whether I insure them or not. There are a lot of folks on this list that I do insure, and someone who incorrectly states that they saved $300 simply by removing medical payments would cause my office an incredible slowdown. I prevented that from happening simply by correcting your statement. Isn't that true? I hope that you now understand that your original statement WAS incorrect. The fact that you were wrong in that instance is not a slam on you. Insurance can be difficult to understand. It's o.k. to be wrong now and again. As for your apparent threat re: insurance commissioners, knock yourself out. Contact all 50 of them. First of all, to my knowledge I have NEVER solicited anyone's business on this site. Nor have I ever used contact info on this site to solicit anyone directly (such as recording email addresses and spamming them). If a person feels that they want to contact me they certainly can. Do I hope that people will see that I know what I'm talking about with respect to insuring RV's? Yes, guilty. Do I hope that people will use our program? Yes, guilty. Is contacting my company for insuring their RV the best bet they have to get the very best coverage, advice, and rates? Yes, I believe so because not only do we have the program but we DO have AIG and all of the other markets available to us. So, even if the program isn't the most competitive, we can find them another company. Am I participating on this site for my health or because I enjoy it? No. Secondly (regarding your not-so-veiled threat), the only state that requires a license number be placed on all correspondence sent to individuals in their state is CA. I am licensed in CA (and about 45 other states), and my understanding is CA's rule applies to hard copies of written materials sent to insureds in that state, not an internet chat room such as this. JT For heaven's sake DO NOT ARCHIVE! P.S. I hope you'll notice I don't even put contact info or my normal signature block identifying my company when I sign these emails.... there are plenty of experts from other fields on this forum who solicit business and put their contact info on every post. I've participated on this site for nearly 4 years. I think everybody knows who I am, because I have been on here regularly answering questions for insured of mine and even those not insured by us. ----- Original Message ----- From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 07/08/2004 12:03:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:56:37 AM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" jhelms@i1.net (Stuff Cut) By the way, yes you're wrong, but I don't mean that in a cruel way. (Stuff Cut) JT I really like the way you kept slipping in how wrong I am. I understand your position of being the absolute authority on any insurance question. So I have a question. What does the word "compliance" mean? That is, How would your state department of insurance regard a written presentation in a public forum. Is this advertisement by an insurance agent that would require that agent to include their license number on each presentation? And I could be wrong. But I don't mean that in a cruel way. Jim Ayers ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 From: "Rabaut, Chuck" --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Good one Jim. Some "Gods" need to be pulled back to earth occasionally. Chuck -----Original Message----- --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 07/08/2004 12:03:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:56:37 AM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" jhelms@i1.net (Stuff Cut) By the way, yes you're wrong, but I don't mean that in a cruel way. (Stuff Cut) JT I really like the way you kept slipping in how wrong I am. I understand your position of being the absolute authority on any insurance question. So I have a question. What does the word "compliance" mean? That is, How would your state department of insurance regard a written presentation in a public forum. Is this advertisement by an insurance agent that would require that agent to include their license number on each presentation? And I could be wrong. But I don't mean that in a cruel way. Jim Ayers ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:36 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Electronic Ignition... rv-8@yahoogroups.com, RV10@yahoogroups.com --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane I'm in the market for an EI for my -8A... Looking for a used one if possible... Thanks! -Bill VonDane bill@vondane.com EAA Tech Counselor RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs www.vondane.com www.creativair.com www.epanelbuilder.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:55 AM PST US From: "Bob 1" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" > Am I participating on this site for my health or because I enjoy it? No. > JT > For heaven's sake DO NOT ARCHIVE! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Don't enjoy this site, eh? Priceless. Where's my Mastercard? P.S. Here's at least to your health, JT. Cheers..... Bob - what goes around, comes around or vice versa OK to archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:45 AM PST US From: Dwight Frye Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye Just wondering .... Does anyone else see a "Scott McDaniels" type of situation brewing here? Go search the archives for details if you are unfamiliar with what happened a few years ago regarding Scott's participation in the list. We lost a good source of information and knowledge on that one. IMO. -- Dwight do not archive On Thu Jul 8 13:39:28 2004, Bob 1 wrote : >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Helms" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" > > > Am I participating on this site for my health or because I enjoy it? No. > >> JT > >> For heaven's sake DO NOT ARCHIVE! >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >Don't enjoy this site, eh? > >Priceless. >Where's my Mastercard? > >P.S. >Here's at least to your health, JT. > >Cheers..... > > >Bob - what goes around, comes around or vice versa > > >OK to archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:29 AM PST US From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Hartzell prop & gov for sale --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Hi all, I'm posting this for a friend. If you are interested in this Hartzell prop, please contact him directly. Kent Rockwell at (909)-734-7523 or E-mail krseahunt@aol.com Hartzell constant speed prop for sale 72" Hartzell for I0-320/360 HC-M2YR-1BF/F7663-4 Extended hub version S/N EN 482 With Woodward 210105 governor S/N 5167 and new Lycoming drive gear assembly Built up by the Prop Center in Santee, Calif. Prop has 0 hours total time since buildup 4-20-93 and has been displayed in my living room since. Gloss black blades feature elliptical tips painted in yellow, sharp looking. Complete for $4500 Contact Kent Rockwell at (909)-734-7523 or E-mail krseahunt@aol.com Located in Southern Calif. Regards, Jim Ayers ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:37 AM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" I certainly don't think I am a God. I believe that I know my way around insuring a plane, especially an RV as I insure over 1000 of them. Jim apparently has an issue with being corrected. I do not mean to imply that he is stupid, just that he has been using the wrong insurance verbage, and subsequently passing along inaccurate information about me, and my office's capabilities. His re-posting of one sentence of a complete post I made drastically distorts what I said. I was merely pointing out to Jim that he was indeed wrong when he indicated that I could not access quotes thru AIG. I am that companies third largest aviation broker. They can at times be quite competitive on RV's especially for liability only. I do not intend to leave this list. As long as I do not break the rules, I'd expect not to be asked to leave. I believe that I have always followed the rules of this list. There are many who I believe are much more commercial than I am on this forum. But, I also do not think Jim should leave. I do wish that he and some people on this site would be a little less antagonistic especially when it comes to insurance and insurance agents. Either buy it or don't. I would suggest to Jim that he read the posts that are directed to his concerns more closely. No one has attacked his character. He has been corrected and pointed in the right direction by me and others, but again, those corrections do not say he's stupid, nor are they intended as such. But, I can take it this little bit of heat. I would appreciate being quoted in full and not have my posts pieced apart sentence at a time out of context though. I believe most would feel the same. JT ----- Original Message ----- From: Rabaut, Chuck To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Good one Jim. Some "Gods" need to be pulled back to earth occasionally. Chuck -----Original Message----- --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 07/08/2004 12:03:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:56:37 AM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" jhelms@i1.net (Stuff Cut) By the way, yes you're wrong, but I don't mean that in a cruel way. (Stuff Cut) JT I really like the way you kept slipping in how wrong I am. I understand your position of being the absolute authority on any insurance question. So I have a question. What does the word "compliance" mean? That is, How would your state department of insurance regard a written presentation in a public forum. Is this advertisement by an insurance agent that would require that agent to include their license number on each presentation? And I could be wrong. But I don't mean that in a cruel way. Jim Ayers ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:15 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 From: "Rabaut, Chuck" --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Scott was a fantastic resource!!! JT is an insurance salesman, plain & simple. ...now I have to go wash my mouth out with soap. Chuck do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dwight Frye Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye Just wondering .... Does anyone else see a "Scott McDaniels" type of situation brewing here? Go search the archives for details if you are unfamiliar with what happened a few years ago regarding Scott's participation in the list. We lost a good source of information and knowledge on that one. IMO. -- Dwight do not archive On Thu Jul 8 13:39:28 2004, Bob 1 wrote : >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Helms" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" > > > Am I participating on this site for my health or because I enjoy it? No. > >> JT > >> For heaven's sake DO NOT ARCHIVE! >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >Don't enjoy this site, eh? > >Priceless. >Where's my Mastercard? > >P.S. >Here's at least to your health, JT. > >Cheers..... > > >Bob - what goes around, comes around or vice versa > > >OK to archive ggest to Jim that he read the posts that are directed to his concerns more closely. No one has attacked his character. He has been corrected and pointed in the right direction by me and others, but again, those corrections do not say he's stupid, nor are they intended as such. But, I can take it this little bit of heat. I would appreciate being quoted in full and not have my posts pieced apart sentence at a time out of context though. I believe most would feel the same. JT ----- Original Message ----- From: Rabaut, Chuck To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Good one Jim. Some "Gods" need to be pulled back to earth occasionally. Chuck -----Original Message----- --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 07/08/2004 12:03:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:56:37 AM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" jhelms@i1.net (Stuff Cut) By the way, yes you're wrong, but I don't mean that in a cruel way. (Stuff Cut) JT I really like the way you kept slipping in how wrong I am. I understand your position of being the absolute authority on any insurance question. So I have a question. What does the word "compliance" mean? That is, How would your state department of insurance regard a written presentation in a public forum. Is this advertisement by an insurance agent that would require that agent to include their license number on each presentation? And I could be wrong. But I don't mean that in a cruel way. Jim Ayers == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:15 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 From: "Rabaut, Chuck" --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Scott was a fantastic resource!!! JT is an insurance salesman, plain & simple. ...now I have to go wash my mouth out with soap. Chuck do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dwight Frye Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye Just wondering .... Does anyone else see a "Scott McDaniels" type of situation brewing here? Go search the archives for details if you are unfamiliar with what happened a few years ago regarding Scott's participation in the list. We lost a good source of information and knowledge on that one. IMO. -- Dwight do not archive On Thu Jul 8 13:39:28 2004, Bob 1 wrote : >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Helms" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" > > > Am I participating on this site for my health or because I enjoy it? No. > >> JT > >> For heaven's sake DO NOT ARCHIVE! >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >Don't enjoy this site, eh? > >Priceless. >Where's my Mastercard? > >P.S. >Here's at least to your health, JT. > >Cheers..... > > >Bob - what goes around, comes around or vice versa > > >OK to archive ggest to Jim that he read the posts that are directed to his concerns more closely. No one has attacked his character. He has been corrected and pointed in the right direction by me and others, but again, those corrections do not say he's stupid, nor are they intended as such. But, I can take it this little bit of heat. I would appreciate being quoted in full and not have my posts pieced apart sentence at a time out of context though. I believe most would feel the same. JT ----- Original Message ----- From: Rabaut, Chuck To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Good one Jim. Some "Gods" need to be pulled back to earth occasionally. Chuck -----Original Message----- --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 07/08/2004 12:03:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:56:37 AM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" jhelms@i1.net (Stuff Cut) By the way, yes you're wrong, but I don't mean that in a cruel way. (Stuff Cut) JT I really like the way you kept slipping in how wrong I am. I understand your position of being the absolute authority on any insurance question. So I have a question. What does the word "compliance" mean? That is, How would your state department of insurance regard a written presentation in a public forum. Is this advertisement by an insurance agent that would require that agent to include their license number on each presentation? And I could be wrong. But I don't mean that in a cruel way. Jim Ayers == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:21 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 From: "Rabaut, Chuck" --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" JT, Sure you would like your posts re-posted in their entirety. I have yet to see you fail to espouse you & your business' claims. It certainly sounds like solicitations for business to me. But I too do not want to see anyone leave this forum merely over personal opinions. Heck-a-doodle, someday I may need to ask you an "insurance" question. (oh lord, now I have to go wash out my mouth again). Chuck do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Helms Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" I certainly don't think I am a God. I believe that I know my way around insuring a plane, especially an RV as I insure over 1000 of them. Jim apparently has an issue with being corrected. I do not mean to imply that he is stupid, just that he has been using the wrong insurance verbage, and subsequently passing along inaccurate information about me, and my office's capabilities. His re-posting of one sentence of a complete post I made drastically distorts what I said. I was merely pointing out to Jim that he was indeed wrong when he indicated that I could not access quotes thru AIG. I am that companies third largest aviation broker. They can at times be quite competitive on RV's especially for liability only. I do not intend to leave this list. As long as I do not break the rules, I'd expect not to be asked to leave. I believe that I have always followed the rules of this list. There are many who I believe are much more commercial than I am on this forum. But, I also do not think Jim should leave. I do wish that he and some people on this site would be a little less antagonistic especially when it comes to insurance and insurance agents. Either buy it or don't. I would suggest to Jim that he read the posts that are directed to his concerns more closely. No one has attacked his character. He has been corrected and pointed in the right direction by me and others, but again, those corrections do not say he's stupid, nor are they intended as such. But, I can take it this little bit of heat. I would appreciate being quoted in full and not have my posts pieced apart sentence at a time out of context though. I believe most would feel the same. JT ----- Original Message ----- From: Rabaut, Chuck To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Good one Jim. Some "Gods" need to be pulled back to earth occasionally. Chuck -----Original Message----- --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 07/08/2004 12:03:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:56:37 AM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" jhelms@i1.net (Stuff Cut) By the way, yes you're wrong, but I don't mean that in a cruel way. (Stuff Cut) JT I really like the way you kept slipping in how wrong I am. I understand your position of being the absolute authority on any insurance question. So I have a question. What does the word "compliance" mean? That is, How would your state department of insurance regard a written presentation in a public forum. Is this advertisement by an insurance agent that would require that agent to include their license number on each presentation? And I could be wrong. But I don't mean that in a cruel way. Jim Ayers ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:24 PM PST US From: "J. R. Dial" Subject: RE: RV-List: superior engine --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" I used the XP-360 built by Aerosport Power and I am very satisfied and highly recommend Aerosport Power. Customer service is excellent. Dick Dial -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allarzil@aol.com below@matronics.com; pts@matronics.com; rule@matronics.com; name@matronics.com; description@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: superior engine --> RV-List message posted by: Allarzil@aol.com RV6 homebuilder, I expect to equip my rv6 with SUPERIOR XP 360 engine with carb and fixed propeller. Has somebody ever got the experience of this engine ?, with succes? Alain Larzilliere == == == == ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Right throttle, Left throttle... Thats the ? From: Bruce Green --> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Green On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:54:54 -0400 "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > Let me be a little clearer. > I feel the finesse of flying the plane can be done with either hand, > both stick and throttle. > > But other duties, like writing, knob turning, button pushing and so > forth, will always be bad with the weak hand. When bumping around in > the > soup for example and getting new freqs, or pulling up the approach > in a > 430, when accuracy and feel are critical, would you want to put > stick in > left hand and do those functions with the right? > > Why not just rig the plane for left stick right throttle, right hand > free to do the things its really good at, keep the stick is the left > hand, and do those writing/knob pushing items with the right/strong > hand. > > I write a lot. Notes, weather, formation debrief items, frequencies, > etc... > > When flying right seat in my 6 and trying to get the right airport > and > frequency into the Garmin 430 for example, It was a bear as my left > hand > just plays dumb and cant do it well. I can whiz bang through it no > problem with my right hand, but the left just is not as cooperative. > > You guys flying right hand stick left hand throttle, don't you find > yourself swapping hands around for this stuff? > I fly an Eagle with throttle on the left and I don't find myself swapping hands. Unless your plane is badly out of rig/trim, you can just take your hand off of the stick and write what you have to write. That is what I do with the Eagle and I have no where near the stability of an RV. Bruce Green Eagle N110GM ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:34 PM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: RV-List: Items for Sale Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:00:42 -0500 --> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" 1 Ea. KING KLN 90-A GPS with antenna, mounting tray and owners manual. Like New! $950.00 1 Ea. King KY 97-A Com Radio with mounting tray. Like New! $750.00 1 Ea. "Yellow Tagged" Woodward Prop governor (Model No. F-3-1A) and drive adapter for Lycoming. $850.00 for both. 1 Ea. Vacuum pump, Regulator and Vacuum gage. Good Condition! $250.00 for for all. Pictures on request. Contact me off list @ twsurveyor@msn.com . Tommy Walker 6A, Ridgetop, TN do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:37 PM PST US From: "LML Klingmuller" Subject: RV-List: Poor man's toy? Rule breakdown below pts rule name description 0.5 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary --> RV-List message posted by: "LML Klingmuller" My non-flying friends ask me how I can afford having and flying an airplane. My typical reply is that I don't chase little balls around the golf,course and I don't drive a big gas tussling SUV. However, I do not mention airplane insurance and hangar costs!! Here are some recent data comparing times, gas consumption and cost flying from Denver (FTG) to Nucla (6V6), a small agricultural town on the Western Slope of Colorado. Round trip distance: air: 512 stml road: 700 ml Time air: 3:00 (tach) road: 12:45 (estm @ 55ml/hr) Fuel used air: 22.7 gl road: 25 gl (estm @ 28 ml/gl) Consumption: air: 7.6gl/hr Fuel costs air $ 66.23 road: $50.- (estm @ $2/gl) Aviation and car fuel prices made a big jump recently. Paid $2.73 @ FTG and $2.83 @ 6V6. Note: I fly an RV-6A with a Lycoming O-360 1A1, Fixed pitch prop. Power setting is 2450 rpm. On trips tach time is equal to clock time consistently. If I would drive my friend's SUV or the pick up truck, the road fuel cost would double! For those living outside the Rocky Mountains, we need to climb from 5,500( FTG) to around 13, 500 to get over the Collegial Range in central Colorado. Most cruising was around 12,000 as I like to look at the rocks. I have not made any significant trips with an rpm setting at 2700 to compare times and fuel consumption. All I know that fuel consumption increases to around 8.9 gl/hr @ 2450 rpm when I fly towards Florida or low lands. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:06 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I think JT is both. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rabaut, Chuck Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Scott was a fantastic resource!!! JT is an insurance salesman, plain & simple. ...now I have to go wash my mouth out with soap. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:15 PM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" I do not deny that one of the reasons that I keep up a presence on this list is that I desire to increase our amount of insured's that own RV's. But, I specifically do not sell. I answer questions every week on this list for people who's agent has not adequately explained their coverage to them. Some of those people end up insuring their planes with me. Some do not. But, I never solicit them. If they recognize that they've learned more from me in a short email, or that I am willing to spend time with them on the phone explaining something and their current agent doesn't and never has, how is that bad for them? As I stated before I follow the rules of the list better than many. I am an insurance agent, I don't think of myself as a salesman. I advise my customers. I don't even advertise. I rely on referrals from my customers and referrals from aircraft manufacturers. Why do you think those companies and people refer their friends to me? Because I'm bad at what I do? Because (as you wrongly characterize me) I'm an annoying "sales"-type? No. JT ----- Original Message ----- From: Rabaut, Chuck To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" JT, Sure you would like your posts re-posted in their entirety. I have yet to see you fail to espouse you & your business' claims. It certainly sounds like solicitations for business to me. But I too do not want to see anyone leave this forum merely over personal opinions. Heck-a-doodle, someday I may need to ask you an "insurance" question. (oh lord, now I have to go wash out my mouth again). Chuck do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Helms To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" I certainly don't think I am a God. I believe that I know my way around insuring a plane, especially an RV as I insure over 1000 of them. Jim apparently has an issue with being corrected. I do not mean to imply that he is stupid, just that he has been using the wrong insurance verbage, and subsequently passing along inaccurate information about me, and my office's capabilities. His re-posting of one sentence of a complete post I made drastically distorts what I said. I was merely pointing out to Jim that he was indeed wrong when he indicated that I could not access quotes thru AIG. I am that companies third largest aviation broker. They can at times be quite competitive on RV's especially for liability only. I do not intend to leave this list. As long as I do not break the rules, I'd expect not to be asked to leave. I believe that I have always followed the rules of this list. There are many who I believe are much more commercial than I am on this forum. But, I also do not think Jim should leave. I do wish that he and some people on this site would be a little less antagonistic especially when it comes to insurance and insurance agents. Either buy it or don't. I would suggest to Jim that he read the posts that are directed to his concerns more closely. No one has attacked his character. He has been corrected and pointed in the right direction by me and others, but again, those corrections do not say he's stupid, nor are they intended as such. But, I can take it this little bit of heat. I would appreciate being quoted in full and not have my posts pieced apart sentence at a time out of context though. I believe most would feel the same. JT ----- Original Message ----- From: Rabaut, Chuck To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Good one Jim. Some "Gods" need to be pulled back to earth occasionally. Chuck -----Original Message----- --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 07/08/2004 12:03:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:56:37 AM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" jhelms@i1.net (Stuff Cut) By the way, yes you're wrong, but I don't mean that in a cruel way. (Stuff Cut) JT I really like the way you kept slipping in how wrong I am. I understand your position of being the absolute authority on any insurance question. So I have a question. What does the word "compliance" mean? That is, How would your state department of insurance regard a written presentation in a public forum. Is this advertisement by an insurance agent that would require that agent to include their license number on each presentation? And I could be wrong. But I don't mean that in a cruel way. Jim Ayers ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:15 PM PST US From: Dj Merrill Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: Dj Merrill Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > I think JT is both. > Mike FWIW, I agree. -Dj ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:12 PM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" Thank you (if I read it correctly that you think of me as more than an insurance salesman but as a resource). JT ----- Original Message ----- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 3:07 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I think JT is both. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rabaut, Chuck To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Scott was a fantastic resource!!! JT is an insurance salesman, plain & simple. ...now I have to go wash my mouth out with soap. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:19 PM PST US From: "Konrad Werner" Subject: RV-List: Isn't this enough? --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" Ladies, Ladies, Ladies, I sure do also think that J.T. Helms is a great potential resource for all of us based on his business expertise, like many others! I have deliberately missed the whole shooting match (thanks to a GOD of your choice) by wearing out the Delete button. That is good so, because I am really tired about the general B.S., -Tempers & - strong personal Opinions on this list. For heaven's sake, let's dig back into RV related stuff instead of having pissing contests with each other. Let's be civilized and ad Politeness, Kindness & RV's back to the discussions, instead of Anger against your fellow AV8R. If you have to discuss something that really bothers you about someone, then please do it OFF-LIST with the person in question, instead of the whole List. ENOUGH SAID!!! Please, do not bother to comment to my post! Simply read & think. And please >do not archive< nonessential stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:07 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I think JT is both. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rabaut, Chuck To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Scott was a fantastic resource!!! JT is an insurance salesman, plain & simple. ...now I have to go wash my mouth out with soap. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:16 PM PST US From: "Vic Jacko" Subject: RV-List: Headwind vs Tailwind was: Poor man's toy? --> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" Nice report, I for one would enjoy reading more of these . You have tempted me to change the subject slightly. Head wind vs tailwind: Auto vs Airplane. I have run the numbers and come to the conclusion it is in most cases better to fly at max cruise when facing headwinds than to slow down and stay in the air burning less fuel per hour but burning more fuel to get to your destination.. I am not sure where the line is as far as velocity of the headwind where it is more fuel efficient to fly quick, than flying slower and taking more time and actually burning more fuel! OK----- How about the auto driving into a headwind vs having a tailwind to increase your fuel mileage. Would it be better to drive slower in a headwind to cut wind resistance and drive quicker with a tailwind to take advantage of the free push? What a great way to spend an afternoon! Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: "LML Klingmuller" Subject: RV-List: Poor man's toy? > --> RV-List message posted by: "LML Klingmuller" > > My non-flying friends ask me how I can afford having and flying an airplane. My typical reply is that I don't chase little balls around the golf,course and I don't drive a big gas tussling SUV. However, I do not mention airplane insurance and hangar costs!! > > Here are some recent data comparing times, gas consumption and cost flying from Denver (FTG) to Nucla (6V6), a small agricultural town on the Western Slope of Colorado. > > Round trip distance: air: 512 stml road: 700 ml > Time air: 3:00 (tach) road: 12:45 (estm @ 55ml/hr) > Fuel used air: 22.7 gl road: 25 gl (estm @ 28 ml/gl) > Consumption: air: 7.6gl/hr > Fuel costs air $ 66.23 road: $50.- (estm @ $2/gl) > > Aviation and car fuel prices made a big jump recently. Paid $2.73 @ FTG and $2.83 @ 6V6. > > Note: I fly an RV-6A with a Lycoming O-360 1A1, Fixed pitch prop. Power setting is 2450 rpm. On trips tach time is equal to clock time consistently. > > If I would drive my friend's SUV or the pick up truck, the road fuel cost would double! > > For those living outside the Rocky Mountains, we need to climb from 5,500( FTG) to around 13, 500 to get over the Collegial Range in central Colorado. Most cruising was around 12,000 as I like to look at the rocks. > > I have not made any significant trips with an rpm setting at 2700 to compare times and fuel consumption. All I know that fuel consumption increases to around 8.9 gl/hr @ 2450 rpm when I fly towards Florida or low lands. > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:23 PM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Plexi Drilling Question --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Quoting Kevin Horton : > --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > > >--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com > > > > > >Ben, > > > >The only plexiglass bits available are 1/8" and 5/32". The 1/8" are too > >small and the 5/32" are too large. Therein lies the problem. The plans > >call for AACQ-4-4 pulled rivets for the front bow of the canopy frame. The > >smallest step in a unibit I can find is 1/32", which would go from 1/8" to > >5/32". What I need is a 9/64" plexiglass bit. Anyone know where to get > >such an animal? > > > >Thanks, Tom > > A Google for "plastic drill 9/64" turned up: > > http://www.abbeon.com/newFiles/plexidrill.html > > I have no idea how good they are. I though I bought my 9/64 > plexiglas drill bit from Aircraft Spruce, but they don't list one on > their web site now. > -- > Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) > Ottawa, Canada > http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ > > Remember you must leave plenty of space, for expansion and contraction no? othersie you will have a crack windshield or canopy....If I remember I taped the holes for the front. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:02 PM PST US From: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Headwind vs Tailwind was: Poor man's toy? --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Vic Jacko wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" > >Nice report, I for one would enjoy reading more of these . > >You have tempted me to change the subject slightly. Head wind vs tailwind: >Auto vs Airplane. > >I have run the numbers and come to the conclusion it is in most cases >better to fly at max cruise when facing headwinds than to slow down and stay >in the air burning less fuel per hour but burning more fuel to get to your >destination.. > > I am not sure where the line is as far as velocity of the headwind where >it is more fuel efficient to fly quick, than flying slower and taking more >time and actually burning more fuel! > > You would have to come up with a formula for TAS in terms of GPH for your airplane at a given altitude. With 3 or 4 data points you could come up with a quadratic curve fit that would be plenty accurate for the range of speeds we are dealing with. Then it should be a simple matter of pluging in the wind speed, taking the derivative, setting it equal to zero and solving. Just be sure you find the right zero. >OK----- How about the auto driving into a headwind vs having a tailwind to >increase your fuel mileage. > > Would it be better to drive slower in a headwind to cut wind resistance and >drive quicker with a tailwind to take advantage of the free push? > > > The problem with that is you can't always just drive the speed you want to. However I do something similar when I am in the mountains. If the ups and downs are short (around a mile or so) and they are such that there is no place for a cop to be hiding at the bottom of the hill, I will let my speed wind up to about 90 on the down side and slow down to about 50 on the up side before I intervene with a change in pressure on the gas or brake pedal. Chris W Bring Back the HP 15C http://hp15c.org Not getting the gifts you want? The Wish Zone can help. http://thewishzone.com ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:56 PM PST US From: Bill Cloughley Subject: RV-List: Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Cloughley These RV's we will or are flying around are worth serious amounts of money and it is prudent to insure them. Aviation insurance is part of the aviation experience, whether we like it or not. I look at all the websites and trade magazines and it's pretty obvious that JT is "the" authority in the field of aviation insurance. A big part of it is his willingness to give his knowledge freely or answer questions, whether you are a customer or not. I don't have an intense interest in the nuances of aviation insurance so I'm grateful there is a professional who explains it in terms anyone can understand. I think we ought to be thanking him, not giving him a hard time. ... Bill RV-7 Wings http://www.aircobratech.com/Bill/RV7_Main.htm --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:16 PM PST US From: Dj Merrill Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: Dj Merrill John Helms wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" > > Thank you (if I read it correctly that you think of me as more than an insurance salesman but as a resource). > > JT Yes, that was the intent. :-) -Dj ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:43 PM PST US From: Hal / Carol Kempthorne Subject: Re: RV-List: Headwind vs Tailwind was: Poor man's toy? --> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne Don't forget to figure in the value of your time! If you are working, figure it is at least what it would cost you to take off a day without pay. If you are retired and getting up in years, figure a much, much higher cost. What is life without an airplane? hal (with one airplane too many!) ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:23 PM PST US From: Rquinn1@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Rv-6/6A Rudder --> RV-List message posted by: Rquinn1@aol.com I am interested in the rudder. Where are you located? Thanks Rollie ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:10 PM PST US From: Hal / Carol Kempthorne Subject: RV-List: Operating costs - MADHIT & FEMPI Rule breakdown below pts rule name description --> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne I once got really interested in the cost of my flying and came up with these words to help me remember what the components of the cost are. There are two kinds of costs - fixed and variable. Fixed is so much a month or year while variable is (duh) variable. Fixed: M Maintenance that is not related to hours such as ELT batteries, main battery A Annual inspection expense - D Decline in value of the aircraft (depreciation is actually an IRS word which you can perhaps call on to help!) H Hangar - or tiedown etc I Interest on loan and on cash paid such as down payment, which could earn interest. T Taxes Variable: F Fuel E Engine reserve M Maintenance that is related to hours usage such as tires P Prop care - especially for controllables I I forget what this is?? (To help me remember, I use my checklist. Now all I need is something to remind me to use the checklist!) We spend $10 or more a day to own the plane, it is a shame to not fly it because we figure cost per hour with fixed costs included. The first hour each year costs MADHIT, the others just FEMPI. K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now. PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA) ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:11 PM PST US From: John Decuir Subject: RV-List: Re: Sensenich prop rpm Rule breakdown below pts rule name description --> RV-List message posted by: John Decuir I have a 160 HP Lyc in my RV-4. I bought it 2 years ago, equipped with a -79 Sensenich. Static RPM was about 2250. I re-pitched the prop to -81 this January. Static RPM is now about 2050. I definitely climb at a slower rate now, but I can carry more MP at cruise without overspeeding the prop. I have not checked time-to-climb rates or service ceiling, but I know they dropped . But, I can climb on course at 125-130 KIAS at 2450-2500 RPM with WOT, and at 6500-7500 MSL pull MP back to 21.0-21.5 inches to hold 2450 RPM, and 185 mph. Downhill performance is sweet! I just don't know how she will do over the Sierras. It was no trouble at all with the -79. John DeCuir Salinas CA RV4 N204CP ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:08 PM PST US From: "Kathleen (rv7)" Subject: RE: RV-List: Isn't this enough? --> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" Ladies, eh? You don't see me looking for a fire hydrant. How 'bout, "kids", but please, not ladies. Oh, I know, you're probably thinking there would never be a woman on the list. It's OK, I understand. You just can't help yourself. (smile) Kathleen www.rv7.us -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad Werner Subject: RV-List: Isn't this enough? --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" Ladies, Ladies, Ladies, I sure do also think that J.T. Helms is a great potential resource for all of us based on his business expertise, like many others! I have deliberately missed the whole shooting match (thanks to a GOD of your choice) by wearing out the Delete button. That is good so, because I am really tired about the general B.S., -Tempers & - strong personal Opinions on this list. For heaven's sake, let's dig back into RV related stuff instead of having pissing contests with each other. Let's be civilized and ad Politeness, Kindness & RV's back to the discussions, instead of Anger against your fellow AV8R. If you have to discuss something that really bothers you about someone, then please do it OFF-LIST with the person in question, instead of the whole List. ENOUGH SAID!!! Please, do not bother to comment to my post! Simply read & think. And please >do not archive< nonessential stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:07 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I think JT is both. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rabaut, Chuck To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Scott was a fantastic resource!!! JT is an insurance salesman, plain & simple. ...now I have to go wash my mouth out with soap. advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:45 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Isn't this enough? --> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" hi Kathleen, Maybe he meant to type "laddies" but his fingers got in the way. {smile} Cory (of the "she" type) >Ladies, eh? You don't see me looking for a fire hydrant. How 'bout, >"kids", but please, not ladies. Oh, I know, you're probably thinking there >would never be a woman on the list. RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" Ladies, Ladies, Ladies, I sure do also think that J.T. Helms is a great potential resource for all of us based on his business expertise, like many others! I have deliberately missed the whole shooting match (thanks to a GOD of your choice) by wearing out the Delete button. That is good so, because I am really tired about the general B.S., -Tempers & - strong personal Opinions on this list. For heaven's sake, let's dig back into RV related stuff instead of having pissing contests with each other. Let's be civilized and ad Politeness, Kindness & RV's back to the discussions, instead of Anger against your fellow AV8R. If you have to discuss something that really bothers you about someone, then please do it OFF-LIST with the person in question, instead of the whole List. ENOUGH SAID!!! Please, do not bother to comment to my post! Simply read & think. And please >do not archive< nonessential stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:07 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I think JT is both. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rabaut, Chuck To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Scott was a fantastic resource!!! JT is an insurance salesman, plain & simple. ...now I have to go wash my mouth out with soap. advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:27 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Headwind vs Tailwind was: Poor man's toy? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > What is life without an airplane? That's a trick question, but the answer is simple: a project in your garage! do not archive )_( Dan ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:04 PM PST US From: "Wayne R. Couture" Subject: Re: [rv_list] Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" I personally find JT's comments informative and helpful. Know one likes to spend money on insurance but it's a fact of life. Get over it! Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Helms" Subject: [rv_list] Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" > > I do not deny that one of the reasons that I keep up a presence on this list is that I desire to increase our amount of insured's that own RV's. But, I specifically do not sell. > > I answer questions every week on this list for people who's agent has not adequately explained their coverage to them. Some of those people end up insuring their planes with me. Some do not. But, I never solicit them. If they recognize that they've learned more from me in a short email, or that I am willing to spend time with them on the phone explaining something and their current agent doesn't and never has, how is that bad for them? > > As I stated before I follow the rules of the list better than many. I am an insurance agent, I don't think of myself as a salesman. I advise my customers. I don't even advertise. I rely on referrals from my customers and referrals from aircraft manufacturers. Why do you think those companies and people refer their friends to me? Because I'm bad at what I do? Because (as you wrongly characterize me) I'm an annoying "sales"-type? No. > > JT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rabaut, Chuck > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:42 PM > Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" > > JT, > > Sure you would like your posts re-posted in their entirety. I have yet to see you fail to espouse you & your business' claims. It certainly sounds like solicitations for business to me. But I too do not want to see anyone leave this forum merely over personal opinions. Heck-a-doodle, someday I may need to ask you an "insurance" question. (oh lord, now I have to go wash out my mouth again). > > Chuck > > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Helms > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" > > I certainly don't think I am a God. I believe that I know my way around insuring a plane, especially an RV as I insure over 1000 of them. Jim apparently has an issue with being corrected. I do not mean to imply that he is stupid, just that he has been using the wrong insurance verbage, and subsequently passing along inaccurate information about me, and my office's capabilities. > > His re-posting of one sentence of a complete post I made drastically distorts what I said. I was merely pointing out to Jim that he was indeed wrong when he indicated that I could not access quotes thru AIG. I am that companies third largest aviation broker. They can at times be quite competitive on RV's especially for liability only. > > I do not intend to leave this list. As long as I do not break the rules, I'd expect not to be asked to leave. I believe that I have always followed the rules of this list. There are many who I believe are much more commercial than I am on this forum. > > But, I also do not think Jim should leave. I do wish that he and some people on this site would be a little less antagonistic especially when it comes to insurance and insurance agents. Either buy it or don't. > > I would suggest to Jim that he read the posts that are directed to his concerns more closely. No one has attacked his character. He has been corrected and pointed in the right direction by me and others, but again, those corrections do not say he's stupid, nor are they intended as such. > > But, I can take it this little bit of heat. I would appreciate being quoted in full and not have my posts pieced apart sentence at a time out of context though. I believe most would feel the same. > > JT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rabaut, Chuck > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:49 AM > Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" > > Good one Jim. > > Some "Gods" need to be pulled back to earth occasionally. > > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- > --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com > > In a message dated 07/08/2004 12:03:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: > Time: 09:56:37 AM PST US > From: "John Helms" > Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions? > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" jhelms@i1.net > > (Stuff Cut) > By the way, yes you're wrong, but I don't mean that in a cruel way. (Stuff > Cut) > JT > I really like the way you kept slipping in how wrong I am. > > I understand your position of being the absolute authority on any insurance > question. > > So I have a question. What does the word "compliance" mean? > > That is, How would your state department of insurance regard a written > presentation in a public forum. Is this advertisement by an insurance agent that > would require that agent to include their license number on each presentation? > > And I could be wrong. But I don't mean that in a cruel way. > > Jim Ayers > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:38 PM PST US From: "Kathleen (rv7)" Subject: RE: RV-List: Isn't this enough? --> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" Oh Cory, thank you for the support! I wish there were a way to help them, but we know they must first try to help themselves. Is that possible? Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Emberson Subject: RE: RV-List: Isn't this enough? --> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" hi Kathleen, Maybe he meant to type "laddies" but his fingers got in the way. {smile} Cory (of the "she" type) >Ladies, eh? You don't see me looking for a fire hydrant. How 'bout, >"kids", but please, not ladies. Oh, I know, you're probably thinking >there would never be a woman on the list. RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" Ladies, Ladies, Ladies, I sure do also think that J.T. Helms is a great potential resource for all of us based on his business expertise, like many others! I have deliberately missed the whole shooting match (thanks to a GOD of your choice) by wearing out the Delete button. That is good so, because I am really tired about the general B.S., -Tempers & - strong personal Opinions on this list. For heaven's sake, let's dig back into RV related stuff instead of having pissing contests with each other. Let's be civilized and ad Politeness, Kindness & RV's back to the discussions, instead of Anger against your fellow AV8R. If you have to discuss something that really bothers you about someone, then please do it OFF-LIST with the person in question, instead of the whole List. ENOUGH SAID!!! Please, do not bother to comment to my post! Simply read & think. And please >do not archive< nonessential stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:07 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I think JT is both. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rabaut, Chuck To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Scott was a fantastic resource!!! JT is an insurance salesman, plain & simple. ...now I have to go wash my mouth out with soap. advertising on the Matronics Forums. advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:35 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Isn't this enough? --> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" Oh heck, I can't help it. I'm a proofreader and always think in typos! :-) I think the guys are doing just fine ... far be it from me! (takes my mind off the papercut I just got) --> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" Oh Cory, thank you for the support! I wish there were a way to help them, but we know they must first try to help themselves. Is that possible? Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Emberson Subject: RE: RV-List: Isn't this enough? --> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" hi Kathleen, Maybe he meant to type "laddies" but his fingers got in the way. {smile} Cory (of the "she" type) >Ladies, eh? You don't see me looking for a fire hydrant. How 'bout, >"kids", but please, not ladies. Oh, I know, you're probably thinking >there would never be a woman on the list. RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" Ladies, Ladies, Ladies, I sure do also think that J.T. Helms is a great potential resource for all of us based on his business expertise, like many others! I have deliberately missed the whole shooting match (thanks to a GOD of your choice) by wearing out the Delete button. That is good so, because I am really tired about the general B.S., -Tempers & - strong personal Opinions on this list. For heaven's sake, let's dig back into RV related stuff instead of having pissing contests with each other. Let's be civilized and ad Politeness, Kindness & RV's back to the discussions, instead of Anger against your fellow AV8R. If you have to discuss something that really bothers you about someone, then please do it OFF-LIST with the person in question, instead of the whole List. ENOUGH SAID!!! Please, do not bother to comment to my post! Simply read & think. And please >do not archive< nonessential stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:07 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I think JT is both. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rabaut, Chuck To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Scott was a fantastic resource!!! JT is an insurance salesman, plain & simple. ...now I have to go wash my mouth out with soap. advertising on the Matronics Forums. advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:05 PM PST US From: "Matt Johnson" Subject: RV-List: Anyone heard of this? (not processed: message from valid local sender) Rule breakdown below pts rule name description --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" When going to buy MEK the person informed us that this is what a lot of people are using to prep aluminum instead of the toxic MEK... anyone heard of it? what are your thoughts? http://www.jasco-help.com/products/prod_mg.htm - Matt ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:37 PM PST US From: "Konrad Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Isn't this enough? --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" Dear Kathleen & Cory, I do hereby wholeheartedly apologize if I offended you both by using the broad word "Ladies" in my original post. I would also like to apologize for not getting my intended message across the very first time around. So please let me try again without offending any particular sexual orientation of anyone: Here is the (edited) main part: . . . Let's be civilized and ad Politeness, Kindness & RV's back to the discussions, instead of Anger against your fellow AV8R. If you have to discuss something that really bothers you about someone, then please do it OFF-LIST with the person in question, instead of clogging up the whole List. ENOUGH SAID!!! Please, do not bother to comment to my post! Simply READ&THINK. And please >do not archive< nonessential stuff. Please > DO NOT ARCHIVE < this nonessential stuff here either. Like I said, I do apologize to all the (female) Ladies. ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:30 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Isn't this enough? --> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" Konrad, that's very nice, but not necessary! I wasn't offended at all! I thought it was funny. Actually, it was really funny. Keep it as is ... don't go changing... :-) I've hung around pilots too long (including my dad) to worry about stuff like that. I was just trying to make a joke out of it. But thanks - that was really nice of you. best, Cory -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Konrad Werner Subject: Re: RV-List: Isn't this enough? --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" Dear Kathleen & Cory, I do hereby wholeheartedly apologize if I offended you both by using the broad word "Ladies" in my original post. I would also like to apologize for not getting my intended message across the very first time around. So please let me try again without offending any particular sexual orientation of anyone: Here is the (edited) main part: . . . Let's be civilized and ad Politeness, Kindness & RV's back to the discussions, instead of Anger against your fellow AV8R. If you have to discuss something that really bothers you about someone, then please do it OFF-LIST with the person in question, instead of clogging up the whole List. ENOUGH SAID!!! Please, do not bother to comment to my post! Simply READ&THINK. And please >do not archive< nonessential stuff. Please > DO NOT ARCHIVE < this nonessential stuff here either. Like I said, I do apologize to all the (female) Ladies.