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1. 12:23 AM - Re: Isn't this enough? (Vanremog@aol.com)
2. 12:23 AM - Re: Anyone heard of this? (not processed: message from valid local s... (Vanremog@aol.com)
3. 04:35 AM - Re: Poor man's toy? (Jeff Dowling)
4. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: Sensenich prop rpm Rule breakdown below pts rule namedescription (Gordon and Marge)
5. 05:13 AM - 6/6A rudder (sjhdcl@kingston.net)
6. 06:11 AM - List Discussions (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
7. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 (Ollie Washburn)
8. 06:53 AM - Fuel Level Senders (George Neal E Capt AU/PC)
9. 07:26 AM - Re: Fuel Level Senders (Trampas)
10. 08:10 AM - Re: Isn't this enough? (Laird Owens)
11. 08:26 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 49 Msgs - 07/08/04 (Bluecavu@aol.com)
12. 08:29 AM - 12V receptacle (Rick Galati)
13. 08:44 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 49 Msgs - 07/08/04 (Bluecavu@aol.com)
14. 08:52 AM - Re: Isn't this enough? (Kathleen (rv7))
15. 08:56 AM - Re: Rv-6/6A Rudder (Konrad Werner)
16. 09:00 AM - Re: 12V receptacle (Kevin Maxwell)
17. 09:04 AM - Re: Isn't this enough? (Cory Emberson)
18. 09:14 AM - Re: 12V receptacle (Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers)
19. 09:24 AM - Re: 12V receptacle (Dan Checkoway)
20. 10:20 AM - OOPS (Konrad Werner)
21. 10:24 AM - Re: 12V receptacle (John)
22. 10:43 AM - AlternatorBeltTensionAdjustmentRange (DAVID REEL)
23. 11:17 AM - RV-6A travelogue on Flyguides (David Wenk)
24. 11:38 AM - Re: 12V receptacle (George Neal E Capt AU/PC)
25. 11:50 AM - Re: 12V receptacle (Bob 1)
26. 12:14 PM - Re: 12V receptacle (Bartrim, Todd)
27. 12:47 PM - Re: 12V receptacle (Stein Bruch)
28. 02:29 PM - Re: 12V receptacle (Bobby Hester)
29. 02:50 PM - Re: Rv-6/6A Rudder (Rquinn1@aol.com)
30. 03:28 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 ()
31. 03:39 PM - [ Chuck & Dave Rowbotham ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
32. 03:55 PM - [ Tom Clark ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
33. 04:03 PM - Re: Infinity-grip trim relays (czechsix@juno.com)
34. 05:31 PM - Flaps--Big Picture? (Don Harker)
35. 05:54 PM - Re: Flaps--Big Picture? (Dan Checkoway)
36. 06:10 PM - Re: Flaps--Big Picture? (Stein Bruch)
37. 07:51 PM - Sensenich Fixed-Pitch Prop (LarryLicking@aol.com)
38. 08:05 PM - Re: Sensenich Fixed-Pitch Prop (SportAV8R@aol.com)
39. 09:08 PM - Fluting Questions... (Matt Johnson)
40. 09:23 PM - Fuel Float Wire bends ()
41. 09:23 PM - Sensenich Fixed Pitch Prop (LarryLicking@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Isn't this enough? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 7/8/2004 10:02:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
klwerner@comcast.net writes:
I do hereby wholeheartedly apologize if I offended you both by using the
broad word "Ladies" in my original post.
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At least you didn't use the word broad.... ;
)
Please do not archive under any circumstances.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 708 hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone heard of this? (not processed: message from valid |
local s...
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 7/8/2004 9:54:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
matt@n559rv.com writes:
When going to buy MEK the person informed us that this is what a lot of
people are using to prep aluminum instead of the toxic MEK...
Anyone heard of it? What are your thoughts?
==========================
How does it go?...Leave the gun, take the canoli.... or in this case, leave
the MEK and take the Naphtha (Coleman Lantern Fluid). Your liver will thank
you.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 708 hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: Poor man's toy? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Does this mean I have to quit driving my SUV to the golf course?
Do not archive
Shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: "LML Klingmuller" <l_klingmuller@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Poor man's toy?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LML Klingmuller"
<l_klingmuller@earthlink.net>
>
> My non-flying friends ask me how I can afford having and flying an
airplane. My typical reply is that I don't chase little balls around the
golf,course and I don't drive a big gas tussling SUV. However, I do not
mention airplane insurance and hangar costs!!
>
> Here are some recent data comparing times, gas consumption and cost flying
from Denver (FTG) to Nucla (6V6), a small agricultural town on the Western
Slope of Colorado.
>
> Round trip distance: air: 512 stml road: 700 ml
> Time air: 3:00 (tach) road: 12:45
(estm @ 55ml/hr)
> Fuel used air: 22.7 gl road: 25 gl
(estm @ 28 ml/gl)
> Consumption: air: 7.6gl/hr
> Fuel costs air $ 66.23 road: $50.-
(estm @ $2/gl)
>
> Aviation and car fuel prices made a big jump recently. Paid $2.73 @ FTG
and $2.83 @ 6V6.
>
> Note: I fly an RV-6A with a Lycoming O-360 1A1, Fixed pitch prop. Power
setting is 2450 rpm. On trips tach time is equal to clock time
consistently.
>
> If I would drive my friend's SUV or the pick up truck, the road fuel cost
would double!
>
> For those living outside the Rocky Mountains, we need to climb from
5,500( FTG) to around 13, 500 to get over the Collegial Range in central
Colorado. Most cruising was around 12,000 as I like to look at the rocks.
>
> I have not made any significant trips with an rpm setting at 2700 to
compare times and fuel consumption. All I know that fuel consumption
increases to around 8.9 gl/hr @ 2450 rpm when I fly towards Florida or low
lands.
>
>
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SUBJ_HAS_SPACES 0.97)
| Subject: | Re: Sensenich prop rpm Rule breakdown below |
pts rule namedescription
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Sensenich prop rpm Rule breakdown below pts rule
name description
--> RV-List message posted by: John Decuir <dacure@earthlink.net>
I have a 160 HP Lyc in my RV-4. I bought it 2 years ago, equipped with
a -79 Sensenich. Static RPM was about 2250. I re-pitched the prop to -81
this January. Static RPM is now about 2050. I definitely climb at a
slower rate now, but I can carry more MP at cruise without overspeeding
the prop.
.
John DeCuir
Salinas CA
RV4 N204CP
John: I can tell you you will have no trouble looking down from 15,000
feet. I have the same setup as you, arrived at the same way.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
do not archive
For those interested in the rudder I have, its actually the original 7A
rudder. I thought it was the same as 6A but may not be. I can send
measurements of hinges distances if anybody wants it.
I'm not selling any tools (I do have a few duplicates). Building another 7A.
I'll post all items for sale this weekend.
Located in Kingston, Ontario (1 hr east of Toronto via RV).
Steve
RV7A - 70015 - 103 hr & sold
RV7A - 71629
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| Subject: | List Discussions |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
I would like to thank JT Helms for his contributions to the list.
My experience has been that an open discussion leads to a better
understanding by all involved.
I have also observed that, if right and wrong are the only options, there
cannot be an open discussion. There is no synergy in black and white, it comes
out of the gray area between the ears.
For me, one person said it all when he observed directly to me, 'It's
difficult being called a liar in front of 2000 people'.
From my experience, successful insurance agents are from two of the four
basic personalities.
The action personality: Just DO IT.
And the control personality: "This is the way it is because I say it is."
Somehow I see JT as the control personality.
I'm basically a technical personality. A data gatherer.
I would make a terrible insurance salesmen. Dwelling on all of the ins and
outs of the coverage, and whether it was appropriate for the customer.
I would drive an action personality nuts with all the data. They just want
to DO IT.
I would be in direct conflict with a control personality. There would always
be one piece of data that the control personality KNEW ABSOLUTELY was WRONG.
If the RV-list is a mix of the USA population, 38% would be the control
personality, 38% would be the action personality, 12% would be the technical
personality and 12% would be the relational personality. Each percentage variation
being +/- 2%.
The relational personality - Can't we all just get along?
If the people of this list recognize that these personalities are there,
perhaps we can all get along.
38% will know absolutely that I am wrong.
38% will be building their RV, instead of reading the list.
12% will be trying to share their data, even if they are wrong.
and 12% will be planting flowers in the garden, instead of reading the list.
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" <ollie-6a@prodigy.net>
JT,
Do all insurance companies require a medical every year after the age of
70 and if not can you tell us which don't ? Getting a medical every year
just adds to the cost of my insurance.
Thanks, Ollie Washburn Fl.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
>
> I answer questions every week on this list for people who's agent has not
adequately explained their coverage to them. Some of those people end up
insuring their planes with me. Some do not. But, I never solicit them. If
they recognize that they've learned more from me in a short email, or that I
am willing to spend time with them on the phone explaining something and
their current agent doesn't and never has, how is that bad for them?
>
>
> JT
> -----
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| Subject: | Fuel Level Senders |
--> RV-List message posted by: George Neal E Capt AU/PC <Neal.George@MAXWELL.AF.MIL>
Listers -
The no-moving-parts aspect of Van's capacitive senders makes a lot of sense
to me. Being months or years from populating the panel, I'm concerned about
broad compatibility on the panel end of the wire. Your thoughts /
experience?
Neal
RV-7 N8ZG (reserved)
(wrestling with the wing order)
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| Subject: | Fuel Level Senders |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
Don't worry too much about the panel end of the wire. There are lots of
people making conversion circuits. These circuits convert the capacitance
from the probe to a voltage or frequency that most gauges can use.
Regards,
Trampas Stern
Stern Technologies
4321 Waterwheel Dr
Raleigh NC 27606
919-832-8441 Ext. 12 (voice)
919-832-8441 (fax)
www.sterntech.com
tstern@sterntech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Neal E Capt
AU/PC
Subject: RV-List: Fuel Level Senders
--> RV-List message posted by: George Neal E Capt AU/PC
<Neal.George@MAXWELL.AF.MIL>
Listers -
The no-moving-parts aspect of Van's capacitive senders makes a lot of sense
to me. Being months or years from populating the panel, I'm concerned about
broad compatibility on the panel end of the wire. Your thoughts /
experience?
Neal
RV-7 N8ZG (reserved)
(wrestling with the wing order)
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| Subject: | Re: Isn't this enough? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
On Jul 8, 2004, at 10:00 PM, Konrad Werner wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
>
> Dear Kathleen & Cory,
>
> I do hereby wholeheartedly apologize if I offended you both by using
> the broad word "Ladies" in my original post.
>
> I would also like to apologize for not getting my intended message
> across the very first time around.
>
> So please let me try again without offending any particular sexual
> orientation of anyone:
>
> Here is the (edited) main part:
> . . . Let's be civilized and ad Politeness, Kindness & RV's back to
> the discussions, instead of Anger against your fellow AV8R. If you
> have to discuss something that really bothers you about someone, then
> please do it OFF-LIST with the person in question, instead of clogging
> up the whole List. ENOUGH SAID!!!
> Please, do not bother to comment to my post! Simply READ&THINK. And
> please >do not archive< nonessential stuff.
>
> Please > DO NOT ARCHIVE < this nonessential stuff here either.
>
> Like I said, I do apologize to all the (female) Ladies.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 49 Msgs - 07/08/04 |
below@matronics.com, pts@matronics.com, rule@matronics.com,
name@matronics.com, description@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
In a message dated 7/9/2004 1:59:40 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> I would appreciate being quoted in
> full and not have my posts pieced apart sentence at a time out of context
> though.
> I believe most would feel the same.
>
Read the list usage guidelines -they say to snip -and it seems that very few
follow this
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--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Listers,
I'm looking for a 12V plug-in receptacle for installation into the instrument panel
to occasionally power such things as a hand-held, etc. The power receptacles
I have seen look like they came out of a car.....okay I suppose.... just not
for me. Does anyone know of a source I can check out for a suitable receptacle
that suggests "aircraft" instead of "automobile"?
Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing"
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 49 Msgs - 07/08/04 |
below@matronics.com, pts@matronics.com, rule@matronics.com,
name@matronics.com, description@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
In a message dated 7/9/2004 1:59:40 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> I think JT is both.
> Mike
This whole issue should have taken place by private email and not on the list
-the 'pissing-match-factor' would have then been much reduced... when issues
like this are debated in front of the whole group then each party is
consciously of subconciously trying to form a camp of other members behind him
and his
side of the issue -and things just escalate... causing bigger divisions.
Basic sociology/psychology. Get it out of the public forum!
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| Subject: | Isn't this enough? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us>
Konrad,
I'm with Cory on this one. It was only fun. The serious side of your point
-- the ridiculous back and forth is pretty disgusting to have to wade
through to get to interesting information and is certainly not what this
list should be about.
Thanks for taking a little ribbing lightly, but let's stop it right hear
before some widemouth steps in and tries to take it to the next level.
Keep having fun and do keep it light!
Kathleen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Emberson
Subject: RE: RV-List: Isn't this enough?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Konrad, that's very nice, but not necessary! I wasn't offended at all! I
thought it was funny. Actually, it was really funny. Keep it as is ...
don't go changing... :-)
I've hung around pilots too long (including my dad) to worry about stuff
like that.
I was just trying to make a joke out of it.
But thanks - that was really nice of you.
best, Cory
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Konrad Werner
Subject: Re: RV-List: Isn't this enough?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Dear Kathleen & Cory,
I do hereby wholeheartedly apologize if I offended you both by using the
broad word "Ladies" in my original post.
I would also like to apologize for not getting my intended message across
the very first time around.
So please let me try again without offending any particular sexual
orientation of anyone:
Here is the (edited) main part:
. . . Let's be civilized and ad Politeness, Kindness & RV's back to the
discussions, instead of Anger against your fellow AV8R. If you have to
discuss something that really bothers you about someone, then please do it
OFF-LIST with the person in question, instead of clogging up the whole List.
ENOUGH SAID!!!
Please, do not bother to comment to my post! Simply READ&THINK. And please
>do not archive< nonessential stuff.
Please > DO NOT ARCHIVE < this nonessential stuff here either.
Like I said, I do apologize to all the (female) Ladies.
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-6/6A Rudder |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Dear Rollie,
Good to see that you are still involved with RV's. How is your rebuild on the
RV-6A coming along? Done?
P.S. In case you still need a rudder, etc. >>> I do have a complete spare empennage
that I am willing to sell. It is the newer version with the taller counter
balanced rudder. Let me know.
Konrad
ABQ, NM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rquinn1@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rv-6/6A Rudder
--> RV-List message posted by: Rquinn1@aol.com
I am interested in the rudder. Where are you located?
Thanks
Rollie
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| Subject: | Re: 12V receptacle |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Maxwell <kevmaxwell@mac.com>
try this:
http://www.powerletproducts.com/products.php?mid=1
On Friday, July 9, 2004, at 10:29 AM, Rick Galati wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
>
> Listers,
>
> I'm looking for a 12V plug-in receptacle for installation into the
> instrument panel to occasionally power such things as a hand-held,
> etc. The power receptacles I have seen look like they came out of a
> car.....okay I suppose.... just not for me. Does anyone know of a
> source I can check out for a suitable receptacle that suggests
> "aircraft" instead of "automobile"?
>
> Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing"
>
>
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| Subject: | Isn't this enough? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
<grin> I almost did!
>At least you didn't use the word broad.... ;)
I do hereby wholeheartedly apologize if I offended you both by using the
broad word "Ladies" in my original post.
DO NOT ARCHIVE, pliz
========================
Please do not archive under any circumstances.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 708 hrs)
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| From: | "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 12V receptacle |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
Look into a website that sells RV (Recreational Vehicle) or marine
accessories.
Wayne Cahoon
Aircraft Engravers
(860) 653-2780
(860) 653-7324 Fax
http://www.engravers.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: 12V receptacle
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
>
> Listers,
>
> I'm looking for a 12V plug-in receptacle for installation into the
instrument panel to occasionally power such things as a hand-held, etc. The
power receptacles I have seen look like they came out of a car.....okay I
suppose.... just not for me. Does anyone know of a source I can check out
for a suitable receptacle that suggests "aircraft" instead of "automobile"?
>
> Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 12V receptacle |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
This is the one I used:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/cigrecept.php
Enough people have asked "What's that?" to indicate to me that it doesn't
smack of automobile. If I were doing it again, I might just hide the thing
up under the panel (but still accessible). No need for it to be exposed
since I basically never use it.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: 12V receptacle
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
>
> Listers,
>
> I'm looking for a 12V plug-in receptacle for installation into the
instrument panel to occasionally power such things as a hand-held, etc. The
power receptacles I have seen look like they came out of a car.....okay I
suppose.... just not for me. Does anyone know of a source I can check out
for a suitable receptacle that suggests "aircraft" instead of "automobile"?
>
> Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing"
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
OOPS,
Sorry about that post, it was meant to go directly to Rollie.
Do knot arkive
Dear Rollie,
Good to see that you are still involved with RV's. How is your rebuild on the
RV-6A coming along? Done?
P.S. In case you still need a rudder, etc. >>> I do have a complete spare empennage
that I am willing to sell. It is the newer version with the taller counter
balanced rudder. Let me know.
Konrad
ABQ, NM
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Rquinn1@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rv-6/6A Rudder
--> RV-List message posted by: Rquinn1@aol.com
I am interested in the rudder. Where are you located?
Thanks
Rollie
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| Subject: | Re: 12V receptacle |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I have two such receptacles...for GPS units, one on each side of the
panel...they are both regular aircraft microphone jacks...gives you two
circuits...one for 12V and the other I use for GPS signals to the autopilot.
Works just fine and the current levels involved are so small that the mic
jack is perfect, relatively cheap ($10 or less) and take up almost no room
John
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| Subject: | AlternatorBeltTensionAdjustmentRange |
Rule breakdown below
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1.8 TRACKER_ID BODY: Incorporates a tracking ID number
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
I've mounted Vans 35 amp alternator to my O360-A!A with constant speed prop on
my RV8A. I find that the upper half of the slot on the belt tensioning adjustment
bracket is unusable because the body of the alternator contacts the prop
pitch oil control line. Is there anything I can do to increase the usable adjustment
range so I can position the alternator higher up? I'd like to minimize
chances of the pulley contacting the lower cowling during operation and be able
to use a 3.6" diameter pulley that I have machined to slow the alternator
down.
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | RV-6A travelogue on Flyguides |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David Wenk" <david.wenk@flyguides.com>
RV flyers and builders might like to know about a four-part series that's starting today on Flyguides. Our series follows Dr Randy Garrett and his daughter Stacey as they attempt to fly their RV-6A from Massachusetts to Alaska. Link here: http://flyguides.com/roadtrip/index.htm
Safe flying,
David Wenk
Flyguides Pilot Travel
http://flyguides.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: George Neal E Capt AU/PC <Neal.George@MAXWELL.AF.MIL>
Rick -
If you're not dead set on a cigar-lighter type power point, you might
consider the Anderson Power Pole line of connectors. In the amateur radio
community, emergency operations and exercises have historically been
frustrating because of the great variety of connector styles and
compatibility. We have finally begun to standardize around the Anderson
Power Pole connector for 12v power connectors. It's compact, idiot-proof,
inexpensive, durable and available in a variety of configurations, both
mountable and pig-tail.
Here's a link to a number of sources... www.qsl.net/w6apd/powerpole.html
>I'm looking for a 12V plug-in receptacle
>Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing"
73...n8zg
Neal George
RV-7, Wings
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| Subject: | Re: 12V receptacle |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a@comcast.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> I have two such receptacles...for GPS units, one on each side of the
> panel...they are both regular aircraft microphone jacks...gives you two
> circuits...one for 12V and the other I use for GPS signals to the
autopilot.
> Works just fine and the current levels involved are so small that the mic
> jack is perfect, relatively cheap ($10 or less) and take up almost no room
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Very bad idea for my money.
Odds are that, sooner or later, someone is going to plug a headset or
somethting else into one of these lashups.
What happens when someone does.....
say, from any of the various headsets, especially ANR types or whatever?
For me....
it's imperative to limit recognizable receptacles to approved STANDARD uses.
Otherwise, a blown fuse, damaged equipment or a cockpit fire could be in the
making.
Bob -
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <Steve.Bartrim@canfor.com>
Hi Rick;
When I was building I considered alternative power outlets as I find the
idea of using a device intended for igniting a cigarette to be somewhat archaic.
However consider that many of the devices that you may intend to use with
these plug-ins use less than 12-14 volts. Most of these have the voltage regulator/power
supply and fuse inside the plug that fits into the "cigarette lighter".
So if you were to simply cut off this plug and wire in your own, you may
find your expensive little electronic accessory is leaking smoke :-(
We are so entrenched in the use of this archaic device that it is hard
to get away from it and I didn't want the hassle of dealing with voltage regulation
for individual devices, so I submitted and installed 4 of them. 2 are located
just under the panel lip, out of sight, and 2 more are concealed behind
a small flap similar to the way a will find them in newer autos.
I'm quite satisfied with this arrangement.
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B
RX-9endurance
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
-Albert Einstein
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Quite right! I sell a LOT of these archaic 12V power receptacles on a
regular basis. You may be surprised to know that these very units are in
use in some military airplanes as well, and are nothing super special! The
ones I stock are standard 12V power points, which simply mount in the panel.
Given the fact that most portable devices come with this type of plug, it
makes the most sense.
Anyway, just an fyi from the perspective of someone who has gone through
several hundred of these this year. I too have looked at alternatives, but
as of yet haven't found any good ones.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's Minneapolis
http://www.steinair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bartrim, Todd
Subject: RE: RV-List: 12V receptacle
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <Steve.Bartrim@canfor.com>
Hi Rick;
When I was building I considered alternative power outlets as I find
the idea of using a device intended for igniting a cigarette to be somewhat
archaic. However consider that many of the devices that you may intend to
use with these plug-ins use less than 12-14 volts. Most of these have the
voltage regulator/power supply and fuse inside the plug that fits into the
"cigarette lighter". So if you were to simply cut off this plug and wire in
your own, you may find your expensive little electronic accessory is leaking
smoke :-(
We are so entrenched in the use of this archaic device that it is
hard to get away from it and I didn't want the hassle of dealing with
voltage regulation for individual devices, so I submitted and installed 4 of
them. 2 are located just under the panel lip, out of sight, and 2 more are
concealed behind a small flap similar to the way a will find them in newer
autos.
I'm quite satisfied with this arrangement.
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B
RX-9endurance
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
-Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: 12V receptacle |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Stein Bruch wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>Quite right! I sell a LOT of these archaic 12V power receptacles on a
>regular basis. You may be surprised to know that these very units are in
>use in some military airplanes as well, and are nothing super special! The
>ones I stock are standard 12V power points, which simply mount in the panel.
>Given the fact that most portable devices come with this type of plug, it
>makes the most sense.
>
>Anyway, just an fyi from the perspective of someone who has gone through
>several hundred of these this year. I too have looked at alternatives, but
>as of yet haven't found any good ones.
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>RV6's Minneapolis
>
>http://www.steinair.com
>
>
>
>
How does this one attach to the panel? Is there a nut on the back?
--
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-6/6A Rudder |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rquinn1@aol.com
Konrad, Yes we are flying thanks for asking. I have a bit of hanger rash on
my rudder and may replace or reskin it. Since we are flying there is no rush.
I dot think the taller rudder will fit but thanks again.
Rollie
799RQ
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04 |
--> RV-List message posted by: <jamesbaldwin@attglobal.net>
John -
Unless Rabaut's post was an attempt at some sort of humor, it was senseless
and inappropriate. Thank you for taking the time to clarify insurance
issues regardless of any sales you might gain. I always remind myself to
"consider the source" when I encounter drivel like this. JBB
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> I do not deny that one of the reasons that I keep up a presence on this
list is that I desire to increase our amount of insured's that own RV's.
But, I specifically do not sell.
>
> I answer questions every week on this list for people who's agent has not
adequately explained their coverage to them. Some of those people end up
insuring their planes with me. Some do not. But, I never solicit them. If
they recognize that they've learned more from me in a short email, or that I
am willing to spend time with them on the phone explaining something and
their current agent doesn't and never has, how is that bad for them?
>
> As I stated before I follow the rules of the list better than many. I am
an insurance agent, I don't think of myself as a salesman. I advise my
customers. I don't even advertise. I rely on referrals from my customers
and referrals from aircraft manufacturers. Why do you think those companies
and people refer their friends to me? Because I'm bad at what I do?
Because (as you wrongly characterize me) I'm an annoying "sales"-type? No.
>
> JT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rabaut, Chuck
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:42 PM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck"
<Chuck.Rabaut@fresnosheriff.org>
>
> JT,
>
> Sure you would like your posts re-posted in their entirety. I
have yet to see you fail to espouse you & your business' claims. It
certainly sounds like solicitations for business to me. But I too do not
want to see anyone leave this forum merely over personal opinions.
Heck-a-doodle, someday I may need to ask you an "insurance" question. (oh
lord, now I have to go wash out my mouth again).
>
> Chuck
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Helms
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> I certainly don't think I am a God. I believe that I know my way around
insuring a plane, especially an RV as I insure over 1000 of them. Jim
apparently has an issue with being corrected. I do not mean to imply that
he is stupid, just that he has been using the wrong insurance verbage, and
subsequently passing along inaccurate information about me, and my office's
capabilities.
>
> His re-posting of one sentence of a complete post I made drastically
distorts what I said. I was merely pointing out to Jim that he was indeed
wrong when he indicated that I could not access quotes thru AIG. I am that
companies third largest aviation broker. They can at times be quite
competitive on RV's especially for liability only.
>
> I do not intend to leave this list. As long as I do not break the
rules, I'd expect not to be asked to leave. I believe that I have always
followed the rules of this list. There are many who I believe are much more
commercial than I am on this forum.
>
> But, I also do not think Jim should leave. I do wish that he and some
people on this site would be a little less antagonistic especially when it
comes to insurance and insurance agents. Either buy it or don't.
>
> I would suggest to Jim that he read the posts that are directed to his
concerns more closely. No one has attacked his character. He has been
corrected and pointed in the right direction by me and others, but again,
those corrections do not say he's stupid, nor are they intended as such.
>
> But, I can take it this little bit of heat. I would appreciate being
quoted in full and not have my posts pieced apart sentence at a time out of
context though. I believe most would feel the same.
>
> JT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rabaut, Chuck
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:49 AM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 07/07/04
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck"
<Chuck.Rabaut@fresnosheriff.org>
>
> Good one Jim.
>
> Some "Gods" need to be pulled back to earth occasionally.
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 07/08/2004 12:03:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> Time: 09:56:37 AM PST US
> From: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Insurance Exclusions?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" jhelms@i1.net
>
> (Stuff Cut)
> By the way, yes you're wrong, but I don't mean that in a cruel way.
(Stuff
> Cut)
> JT
> I really like the way you kept slipping in how wrong I am.
>
> I understand your position of being the absolute authority on any
insurance
> question.
>
> So I have a question. What does the word "compliance" mean?
>
> That is, How would your state department of insurance regard a written
> presentation in a public forum. Is this advertisement by an insurance
agent that
> would require that agent to include their license number on each
presentation?
>
> And I could be wrong. But I don't mean that in a cruel way.
>
> Jim Ayers
>
>
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| Subject: | [ Chuck & Dave Rowbotham ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Chuck & Dave Rowbotham <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Subject: Panel - N712CR
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--> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Tom Clark <Tom.Clark@UTCFuelCells.com>
Subject: New Photo RV8 Fastback
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity-grip trim relays |
--> RV-List message posted by: "czechsix@juno.com" <czechsix@juno.com>
Tom,
I'm not flying yet but I asked the List some of the same questions you have when
I was trying to figure out how to set up my -8A. The one thing I learned is
that there's no "standard" setup for the Infinity grip....everybody's got their
own preference. I've talked to guys with military experience in multiple aircraft
types and it seems that there's no set standard there either....each aircraft
manufacturer sets things up a bit differently. Bottom line is to make
it work the way you want it.
In my case, I have the Infinity grip in the front seat only. Coolie hat is trim
of course, and the trigger is PTT. Top right button is red and is the CWS (Control
Wheel Steering) button for my Trutrak autopilot. Top left is a toggle
switch for flaps. The thumb-operated button halfway down the left side is blue
and is used to turn the fuel pump on/off (100LL is blue : ). The pinkie-operated
button on the bottom of the grip is green and controls my Wig-wag.
In the back seat, I don't have any buttons on the stick so it can be quickly removed.
Instead I mounted switches/buttons just above the rear throttle quadrant
in the plate that the front seatback weldment bolts to. I have a PTT button,
roll trim, flaps, and a map light with miniature on/off toggle switch. I put
the pitch trim just forward of the rear seat throttle lever. In the front
seat I have a toggle switch mounted in the right side console that can disable
the back seat trim and flaps by opening their ground paths.
A few more notes that may be of interest: when I ordered my grip from J.D. at
Infinity, he talked me into using a On-Off (On) toggle for the flaps, so that
you can flip the flaps up using the On position and retract them without having
to keep your thumb on the toggle. However I later replaced it with what I originally
wanted, an (On)Off(On) switch... I don't think in the RV it's a very
big deal to hold the switch with your thumb (especially if the PTT is on the
trigger and you can operate it simultaneously while holding the flaps toggle)
and I'm more worried about forgetting and leaving the flap motor running for the
whole flight.
I did NOT like the idea of having the starter on my stick grip....could do bad
things to your starter/ring gear if you bump it unintentionally while the engine
is running, or cause injury or damage if bumped inadvertently while on the
ground. Just my personal opinion, and I know J.D. and others disagree with me.
I was concerned about being able to tell whether the fuel pump and wig-wag push-button switches are on or off (you can't tell by looks or feel what position they're in) so I put a blue LED (to match the blue button for the fuel pump) and green LED (matching the green button for the wig-wag) in my panel to show when they are ON. The LED's are also dimmed by my panel bright-dim switch (yes, all this stuff is WAY more complex than just putting toggle switches on the panel!). And of course there's relays for the pitch trim, roll trim, and flaps (two each for a total of six). The back seat switches share the same relays. The boost pump is controlled directly by the pushbutton switch on the stick grip. The wig-wag I got from www.periheliondesign.com (it was the original Rev A wig-wag) which is very light and small, and can be controlled by a low-voltage switch like the one in the stick grip. I also have a toggle switch on the panel that can override the wig-wag for landing an
d taxi light modes, but since 99% of my flying will be day VFR, I put the wig-wag
on the stick because I'll use it all the time in the pattern.
And finally, I have a pitch trim speed reducer that is active when the flaps are
up (controlled by microswitch on the flaps weldment).
So far all I've done is hangar flying but I think this setup will enable me to
keep my hands on the stick most of the time, especially in the pattern. My throttle
hand will operate carb heat, fuel selector, and radio/transponder/GPS (all
mounted on the LH side of my panel).
I have a diagram of my panel/cockpit (including rear seat) that I can send off-list
if anyone would like to see my layout....
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D prepping fuse for paint....
Subject: Infinity-grip trim relays
From: Turbo Tom (turbotom@mindspring.com)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
Hi Guys!
I'm fleshing out the systems portion of my RV-8. I intend to use the
Infinity stick grip for controlling my aileron and elevator trim through the
ubitquitious "coolie hat", and my flaps through another toggle on the grip.
I'm soliciting input from you Infinty-flyers out there on what you used on
your RV and why you like it.
I intend to give the back-seater flap and trim controls but wish to keep the
simple manual [non-relayed] rocker switches for that seat. Can someone who
has already been through this offer up a little guidance? Is there any such
thing as "keeping this simple"?
1] Can I go with what seems to be the simple route and use the trim/relay
board available from Infinty?
2] Will the standard trim-motor speed be usable or will I absoulutely need
some method of controlling how fast the trim operates. [I've only flown
manual-trim RVs]
3] Where are most folks placing the toggle switch for their flaps?
4] What the heck are you guys doing with all the other switch positions?
Freq flip/flop? Ident? Worth the effort?
5] Favorite place for the PTT?
6] Especially valuable would be any "wish I hadn't done it that way"
experiences.
Thanks!
TT
Atlanta, GA RV-8QB Systems and wiring
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| Subject: | Flaps--Big Picture? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Harker" <dpharker@worldnet.att.net>
I have finished the left wing in my 7A and have the flap and aileron
attached. I have reviewed the wing/fuselage assembly instructions and don't
understand why I need to split the flap hinge pin or drill a hole in the
aileron bracket.
Must the wing be mated to the fuselage without the flap attached? Or are
these instructions for flap removal at some future point in time. If I have
to remove the flap why can't I drill the hole in the aileron bracket then?
Trying to sort out big picture. Thanks
Don Harker
Gurnee IL
7A Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps--Big Picture? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
The key is keeping the hinge pin in place...not allowing it to work its way
out of the hinge and ruining your day! 8-)
I did the split method, separating each hinge pin into two sections that
insert from the center. I liked that method better...my opinion in general
is that the shorter the pin, the less hassle it'll give you. The ends are
bent and safety wired in the middle of the flap brace. Essentially no
chance of them working in either direction, and they're pretty easy to
install & remove there. Just need to disconnect the flap pushrod from the
flap and let the flap go down further to expose access.
Best of luck,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Harker" <dpharker@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RV-List: Flaps--Big Picture?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Harker" <dpharker@worldnet.att.net>
>
>
> I have finished the left wing in my 7A and have the flap and aileron
> attached. I have reviewed the wing/fuselage assembly instructions and
don't
> understand why I need to split the flap hinge pin or drill a hole in the
> aileron bracket.
>
> Must the wing be mated to the fuselage without the flap attached? Or are
> these instructions for flap removal at some future point in time. If I
have
> to remove the flap why can't I drill the hole in the aileron bracket then?
>
> Trying to sort out big picture. Thanks
>
> Don Harker
> Gurnee IL
> 7A Wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Flaps--Big Picture? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi Don,
You can do that, as it's been done many times, but then you need to block
that hole to the hinge pin doesn't propogate out. I prefer not to drill a
hole in bracket for a flight control surface, so on by my RV's I just
removed an eye in the middle of the hinge, put small loops on the ends of
the hing pins, and safety wire them together. Easy to remove, no moving
hinge pin, and no possiblity of the hinge getting into the aileron.
Just my 2 cents,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
Do Not Archive (I think it's already there).
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Harker
Subject: RV-List: Flaps--Big Picture?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Harker" <dpharker@worldnet.att.net>
I have finished the left wing in my 7A and have the flap and aileron
attached. I have reviewed the wing/fuselage assembly instructions and don't
understand why I need to split the flap hinge pin or drill a hole in the
aileron bracket.
Must the wing be mated to the fuselage without the flap attached? Or are
these instructions for flap removal at some future point in time. If I have
to remove the flap why can't I drill the hole in the aileron bracket then?
Trying to sort out big picture. Thanks
Don Harker
Gurnee IL
7A Wings
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| Subject: | Sensenich Fixed-Pitch Prop |
--> RV-List message posted by: LarryLicking@aol.com
Hello All,
I must soon choose a prop for my RV6A, and have definitely (nearly) decided
on a Sensenich prop. Their web site lists props for a standard cowl and for a
long cowl. Vans sent an S type cowl, but I cannot determine if this is a std
or long. Anyone have any idea on this?
Next, what are your experiences with the climb, cruise and standard pitches?
This may have been covered many times before on this site, but any thoughts
would be appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich Fixed-Pitch Prop |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>Next, what are your experiences with the climb, cruise and standard pitches?
>This may have been covered many times before on this site, but any thoughts
>would be appreciated.
>
>
>_-
I can tell you that 76" of pitch is not enough for the 160 hp Lyc on a 6A. I need
to have mine coarsened,, perhaps to 78 or 79 inches to prevent overspeeding
at cruise above about 6000 feet.
So says Ed Zercher at the Sensenich factory.
-BB
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>
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| Subject: | Fluting Questions... |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Does anyone have a closeup of a rib that has been fluted? I want to make
sure that mine is correctly done. All the pictures I have found on
the web have been too far away to really see the detail of the flute...
Also, I know that many people in the pictures have full size plans
showing the flute locations on the rib. My kit does not have this (in the
plans or the preview plans). I just purchased the empennage kit a week
ago so I am not sure if this is something that has been removed
from the newer kits? What DWG plan number is it so I can see if it is
missing?
Thanks for the feedback.
- Matt
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| Subject: | Fuel Float Wire bends |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
All,
I am finishing up the 2nd (right) wing and tank on my RV7a. I am using the standard
Stewart Warner floats, and I have run into a problem. I had no problem
on the left, but it appears that the float will hit the stiffener on the right
if I bend it per the bending instructions included with the floats. I saw Randy
Lervold posted this exact same question quite some time ago in the archives,
but it never got answered. Should I just bend it to fit? Is there any way
to tell the difference between the right and left senders? I have one of the
385B and 385C, but I thought they might be mixed up in the C box.
Thanks,
Scott
7A Wings
www.scottsrv7a.com
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| Subject: | Sensenich Fixed Pitch Prop |
--> RV-List message posted by: LarryLicking@aol.com
I failed to mention that I have an O-360, 180 hp engine. Again, does anyone
know if the S Type cowl is the standard or the long version? Also,
Sensenich's standard prop has 83", climb has 81", and cruise has 85". In a hot
climate, perhaps the standard (83) may be a good compromise.
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