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1. 05:31 AM - Re: Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner (Ralph Koger)
2. 05:43 AM - XCOM 760 status (RV8ter@aol.com)
3. 06:39 AM - Re: Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner (Jeff Dowling)
4. 07:00 AM - Re: XCOM 760 status (Don Mack)
5. 07:04 AM - Fw: plans (Tedi)
6. 07:24 AM - Re: Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner (Albert Gardner)
7. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: don't trust this RV 6 guy (mark phipps)
8. 07:38 AM - Oil door question (bertrv6@highstream.net)
9. 07:48 AM - Re: Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner (Scott Vanartsdalen)
10. 07:49 AM - Ailerons Tavel... (bertrv6@highstream.net)
11. 08:35 AM - How Much Wire - end to end (Kathleen (rv7))
12. 08:39 AM - Re: Ailerons Tavel... (Scott Bilinski)
13. 09:02 AM - Re: Re:Don't trust> Now tandem sunshade (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
14. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: don't trust this RV 6 guy (Chuck Weyant)
15. 09:35 AM - Re: Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
16. 09:39 AM - Re: Ailerons Tavel... (Gary Zilik)
17. 09:39 AM - Re: Ailerons Tavel... (Ron Walker)
18. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: don't trust this RV 6 guy (Steven DiNieri)
19. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: don't trust this RV 6 guy (Bruce Gray)
20. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: don't trust this RV 6 guy (Terry Watson)
21. 02:09 PM - stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler (RV8ter@aol.com)
22. 02:42 PM - Re: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil (Scott Bilinski)
23. 03:06 PM - Re: Oil door question (Andy Karmy)
24. 03:18 PM - Re: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler (RV8ter@aol.com)
25. 03:24 PM - Re: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler (J. R. Dial)
26. 04:08 PM - Re: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler (Dan Checkoway)
27. 04:15 PM - Re: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
28. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: don't trust this RV 6 guy (Rob Prior)
29. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: don't trust this RV 6 guy (Bob 1)
30. 04:34 PM - Re: XCOM 760 status (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
31. 04:48 PM - Re: How Much Wire - end to end (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
32. 04:54 PM - Re: How Much Wire - end to end (Alex Peterson)
33. 04:55 PM - Re: How Much Wire - end to end (MMcs139808@aol.com)
34. 05:24 PM - Re: How Much Wire - end to end (Gregory Young)
35. 05:28 PM - Re: Fw: plans Date: ...4 Jul 2004 16:03:58 +0200 (\214rodkowoeuropejs... (Evan and Megan Johnson)
36. 05:41 PM - Re: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler (Ed Holyoke)
37. 06:00 PM - Re: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler (Kyle Boatright)
38. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: don't trust this RV 6 guy (mark phipps)
39. 06:13 PM - 200 HP oil coolers (William Davis)
40. 06:50 PM - Initial electrical set up (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
41. 07:08 PM - Re: Initial electrical set up (Hal / Carol Kempthorne)
42. 07:19 PM - Re: Part #A906 & A907-L wings alierons (Dean)
43. 07:22 PM - Re: Initial electrical set up (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
44. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: don't trust this RV 6 guy (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
45. 09:31 PM - Re: Initial electrical set up (Dave Bristol)
46. 09:57 PM - Re: Re: don't trust this RV 6 guy (Chris W)
47. 11:48 PM - Re: Initial electrical set up (Albert Gardner)
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| Subject: | Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph Koger" <rhkoger@fbx.com>
This information fits into my situation also. For the last 8 years I have
been manufacturing and selling the Koger SunShade and have always shipped
the same or next day and have been telling them, just put a check in the
mail. The RV people have been outstanding and I have not lost a cent with
anyone. I sell a good number of shades to people that have other types of
planes and many of these people do not play by the same rules that the RV
people do. I have been beat out of a couple of shades to an out of the
country aircraft manufacture. I have had to send bills and ask others in
their type of aircraft groups for help to get paid for my shades. I now have
on the books Peter Hebert DMD from Stowe, VT that I special made a shade for
his Lancair Legacy N23PH. Thanks to the list for the gov information, it
shows that he just got his N number 6/03/04. He must be very busy for he has
not returned a couple of account due and e-mail notices for payment. When a
person states that they will put the check in the mail and don't it does
make us wonder if our method of doing business is correct. For over 20 years
I have been RV ing and it goes back to Van for his honest dealings and his
outstanding plane designs.
Ralph Koger
ALSO: I have developed a 46" long sunshade for the RV-8 or any tandem type
canopy, and will be showing it at Oshkosh. See it at Cleaveland Tool.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mark phipps" <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner
> --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks for the info Alan.
>
> Mark Phipps
>
> Alan McKeen <amckeen@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alan McKeen"
>
> From Yahoo people search. I do not know him but there are several very
nice RV plane and builders in the Buffalo NY area. They probably know who he
is and what he is up to.
>
> Steven Dinieri
> 1202 Main St
> Niagara Falls, NY
>
> (716) 285-8935
>
>
> F Time: 12:55:25 PM PST US
> rom: mark phipps
>
> Subject: Re: Dont trust this RV6 owner
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps
>
> Hi Conrad, Good to hear from you. He owes $200. I also was hoping someone
on the
> list knows this person. Sadly in these cases one of the two parties
involved
> has to send either the money or goods on faith. I would not have expected
this
> from a fellow RV'r.
> Mark Phipps
>
> Konrad Werner wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner"
>
> Dear Mark,
>
> Sorry to hear that some RV'er is trying to not pay you for parts sent on
good faith.
> What is the amount he owes you? Does anybody in the list know this guy?
>
> Konrad
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mark phipps
> Subject: RV-List: Dont trust this RV6 owner
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps
>
> Listers, Watch out for RV6 owner and RV10 builder Steve Dinieri of New
York. He
> came on the list 3 months ago looking for a rudder for his six. I agreed
to sell
> him an extra I had and made the mistake of sending it to him before I was
> paid. Guess what, 3 months later and no money, says he is too busy. My
mistake
> evidently. If you deal with this person or know him, make sure you get
paid first.
>
> Mark Phipps, N242RP, RV6A, Almost Flying
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Anyone out there order a XCOM 760? If so, what's the latest from them?
According to the timeline on their web site, they should have theoretically been
able to send some out by now.
If and when you get one in, please let me know.
Thanks,
Lucky
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| Subject: | Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
and by the way,
AWESOME PRODUCT!
Thanks for the lack of sunburn.
Do not archive
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Koger" <rhkoger@fbx.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph Koger" <rhkoger@fbx.com>
>
> This information fits into my situation also. For the last 8 years I have
> been manufacturing and selling the Koger SunShade and have always shipped
> the same or next day and have been telling them, just put a check in the
> mail. The RV people have been outstanding and I have not lost a cent with
> anyone. I sell a good number of shades to people that have other types of
> planes and many of these people do not play by the same rules that the RV
> people do. I have been beat out of a couple of shades to an out of the
> country aircraft manufacture. I have had to send bills and ask others in
> their type of aircraft groups for help to get paid for my shades. I now
have
> on the books Peter Hebert DMD from Stowe, VT that I special made a shade
for
> his Lancair Legacy N23PH. Thanks to the list for the gov information, it
> shows that he just got his N number 6/03/04. He must be very busy for he
has
> not returned a couple of account due and e-mail notices for payment. When
a
> person states that they will put the check in the mail and don't it does
> make us wonder if our method of doing business is correct. For over 20
years
> I have been RV ing and it goes back to Van for his honest dealings and his
> outstanding plane designs.
> Ralph Koger
> ALSO: I have developed a 46" long sunshade for the RV-8 or any tandem type
> canopy, and will be showing it at Oshkosh. See it at Cleaveland Tool.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mark phipps" <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Thanks for the info Alan.
> >
> > Mark Phipps
> >
> > Alan McKeen <amckeen@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Alan McKeen"
> >
> > From Yahoo people search. I do not know him but there are several very
> nice RV plane and builders in the Buffalo NY area. They probably know who
he
> is and what he is up to.
> >
> > Steven Dinieri
> > 1202 Main St
> > Niagara Falls, NY
> >
> > (716) 285-8935
> >
> >
> > F Time: 12:55:25 PM PST US
> > rom: mark phipps
> >
> > Subject: Re: Dont trust this RV6 owner
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps
> >
> > Hi Conrad, Good to hear from you. He owes $200. I also was hoping
someone
> on the
> > list knows this person. Sadly in these cases one of the two parties
> involved
> > has to send either the money or goods on faith. I would not have
expected
> this
> > from a fellow RV'r.
> > Mark Phipps
> >
> > Konrad Werner wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner"
> >
> > Dear Mark,
> >
> > Sorry to hear that some RV'er is trying to not pay you for parts sent on
> good faith.
> > What is the amount he owes you? Does anybody in the list know this guy?
> >
> > Konrad
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mark phipps
> > Subject: RV-List: Dont trust this RV6 owner
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps
> >
> > Listers, Watch out for RV6 owner and RV10 builder Steve Dinieri of New
> York. He
> > came on the list 3 months ago looking for a rudder for his six. I agreed
> to sell
> > him an extra I had and made the mistake of sending it to him before I
was
> > paid. Guess what, 3 months later and no money, says he is too busy. My
> mistake
> > evidently. If you deal with this person or know him, make sure you get
> paid first.
> >
> > Mark Phipps, N242RP, RV6A, Almost Flying
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
I happen to email Michael Coates from Xcom yesterday. His reply was "Wont be
long".
Don Mack RV-6A with a hole in the panel. www.dmack.net
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Anyone out there order a XCOM 760? If so, what's the latest from them?
According to the timeline on their web site, they should have theoretically
been
able to send some out by now.
If and when you get one in, please let me know.
Thanks,
Lucky
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Date: ...4 Jul 2004 16:03:58 +0200 (\214rodkowoeuropejs...
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tedi" <f.t@wp.pl>
As a total newbee I am asking for help/info:
Is this possible to build RV8 or RV9 only from plans provided by Van's?
What is the estimated % of parts that man has to or should buy from producer
I live in Poland - so I am interrested in aviability of kits or some parts
in Europe. Is there someone from Czech Republic?
Best regards
Tadeusz Forgacz
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| Subject: | Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
Ralph, I bought one of your sunshade kits for my RV-9A over one year ago but
never installed it for some reason. I finally put it in the plane last week
and after using it I suggest you add the following statement to your
installation directions:
"Take the sunshade out of the box and install it IMMEDIATELY. Don't wait."
I can't believe I've been flying for a year in Arizona without the shade I
could have had. Great product, fits well and doesn't interfere with my
Lightspeed headsets.
Albert Gardner
RV-9A 872RV
Yuma, AZ
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph Koger" <rhkoger@fbx.com>
> > This information fits into my situation also. For the last 8 years I
have
> > been manufacturing and selling the Koger SunShade
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| Subject: | Re: re: don't trust this RV 6 guy |
--> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
Jerry is right, we should not do anything that could hurt anyone, don't want to
stoop to that level. Donald did post Steve Dinieri's e mail address though and
I sent him an E mail this morning. Maybe Donalds right and numerous mailings
from listers could at least let him know this behaviour has consequences.
Mark Phipps
Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
Donald Mei wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei"
>
>All,
>The trust among list members is one of the things that makes us a community. I've
sold stuff on the list for less than I could have goten on the "open market"
because it was no hassle. No ebay, no paypal, just ship the item and feel good
knowing that my item is crossing a check on its way to me somewhere in the
good old USPS.
>
>So, we have a rat among us who has screwed Mark Phipps. Well, we should let him
know that we all know. We shold also let him know that he is not welcome at
any RV type events. I for one will take great pleasure in telling him this to
his face if I ever recognize his N number at an event.
>
>The Oswego EAA Chapter has a big RV fly in. Is he a member of that chapter??
>
>I think a good start is for all of us to send a nice personal (non-hostile, non-threatening)
email to mister "sticky fingers" Dinieri.
>
>His email address is:
>
>capsteve@adelphia.net
>
>If that doesn't help get mister Phipps his rudder back, (the following is said
tongue in cheek) we should go get it back. If mr Phipps has not been paid, he
still owns the rudder. I think Oshkosh would be a nice place to very carefullyremove
the rudder if Mr. Dinieri makes the trip. We need to be careful not to
damage the aircraft, since our intent is to only get Mr Phipps back his rightfully
owned property.
>
>
While I sympathize with anyone "getting screwed" I don't think the above
is funny even tongue in cheek Don. While most of you know that I
replaced the rudder on my RV-6 with an RV-7 rudder and stabilizer some
of you may not know why. Last year at Van's homecoming
flyin someone severely damaged the rudder on my RV-6. I of course being
the great safe flight instructor jumped in my airplane and took off.
(very important lesson #1 ALWAYS DO A WALK AROUND AND PRE-FLIGHT)climb
was fine but when I leveled out I knew I had a problem
the airplane went into a left roll and it took a lot of rudder and
aileron to fly straight. When I landed I found the trailing edge of the
rudder was
pushed over about two inches and the skin was torn where it had been
hit. Of course no one said a word to me, no notes, nothing. This is one
of those
situation that if I had crashed no one would have known why or
understood. I can see it now, he probably had a medical problem, this
seems to be
a catch all for any unexplained crashes. I post this for a couple
reasons. #1 don't be stupid like I was and jump in your airplane with
out at least a quick
walk around. #2 Please if you damage someones airplane at least leave a
note or try to notify someone. While I don't like my airplane damaged I
understand
accidents can happen where damage can occur. I certainly would have a
lot more respect for someone that came to me and admitted they did some
damage.
Jerry (Flying my RV-6 15 years tomorrow, first flight July 14, 1989)
Springer
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Oil door question |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
I am ready to install the cowling door. I want to use the flush latch..
How I do to make the cover fit covering the hinge. Do I have to use a shimm
to lower hinge at the top. If some one has pictures of this modification
would be appreciated..
Thanks
Bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Bless you Ralph if this thing will fit in a -4! Thank you for remembering your
tandem bro's!
Ralph Koger <rhkoger@fbx.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph Koger"
This information fits into my situation also. For the last 8 years I have
been manufacturing and selling the Koger SunShade and have always shipped
the same or next day and have been telling them, just put a check in the
mail. The RV people have been outstanding and I have not lost a cent with
anyone. I sell a good number of shades to people that have other types of
planes and many of these people do not play by the same rules that the RV
people do. I have been beat out of a couple of shades to an out of the
country aircraft manufacture. I have had to send bills and ask others in
their type of aircraft groups for help to get paid for my shades. I now have
on the books Peter Hebert DMD from Stowe, VT that I special made a shade for
his Lancair Legacy N23PH. Thanks to the list for the gov information, it
shows that he just got his N number 6/03/04. He must be very busy for he has
not returned a couple of account due and e-mail notices for payment. When a
person states that they will put the check in the mail and don't it does
make us wonder if our method of doing business is correct. For over 20 years
I have been RV ing and it goes back to Van for his honest dealings and his
outstanding plane designs.
Ralph Koger
ALSO: I have developed a 46" long sunshade for the RV-8 or any tandem type
canopy, and will be showing it at Oshkosh. See it at Cleaveland Tool.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mark phipps"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner
> --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps
>
> Thanks for the info Alan.
>
> Mark Phipps
>
> Alan McKeen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alan McKeen"
>
> From Yahoo people search. I do not know him but there are several very
nice RV plane and builders in the Buffalo NY area. They probably know who he
is and what he is up to.
>
> Steven Dinieri
> 1202 Main St
> Niagara Falls, NY
>
> (716) 285-8935
>
>
> F Time: 12:55:25 PM PST US
> rom: mark phipps
>
> Subject: Re: Dont trust this RV6 owner
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps
>
> Hi Conrad, Good to hear from you. He owes $200. I also was hoping someone
on the
> list knows this person. Sadly in these cases one of the two parties
involved
> has to send either the money or goods on faith. I would not have expected
this
> from a fellow RV'r.
> Mark Phipps
>
> Konrad Werner wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner"
>
> Dear Mark,
>
> Sorry to hear that some RV'er is trying to not pay you for parts sent on
good faith.
> What is the amount he owes you? Does anybody in the list know this guy?
>
> Konrad
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mark phipps
> Subject: RV-List: Dont trust this RV6 owner
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps
>
> Listers, Watch out for RV6 owner and RV10 builder Steve Dinieri of New
York. He
> came on the list 3 months ago looking for a rudder for his six. I agreed
to sell
> him an extra I had and made the mistake of sending it to him before I was
> paid. Guess what, 3 months later and no money, says he is too busy. My
mistake
> evidently. If you deal with this person or know him, make sure you get
paid first.
>
> Mark Phipps, N242RP, RV6A, Almost Flying
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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| Subject: | Ailerons Tavel... |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
I have finally, I think..have the 15o. down and 25o up...the only thing, is
that when I move the ailerons up, with my hand, there is some resistance at
the start, of course from inside the cockpit, you canot feel any as the stick
moves easily..
I am concerned because when I have checked other rv's, there is absolutely
not resistance of any kind, the ailerons moved up or down with one finger....
Any Ideas, or I am being paranoid about this?
Thanks
Bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | How Much Wire - end to end |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us>
I don't expect any precise answers -- But does anyone have a list of roughly
how much wire of each gauge I should buy to wire my 7 end to end. It will
be all electric, autopilot lights and a modest IFR panel. I'm really only
looking for something in the ballpark on this because I don't know where to
start. Any help at all is better than what I have now. Thanks....
Kathleen
www.rv7.us
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons Tavel... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Let me know what you find, mine does the same thing. 150 hours now, flies
great.
At 10:49 AM 7/14/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>
> Hi:
>
> I have finally, I think..have the 15o. down and 25o up...the only
> thing, is
> that when I move the ailerons up, with my hand, there is some resistance at
>the start, of course from inside the cockpit, you canot feel any as the stick
>moves easily..
>
> I am concerned because when I have checked other rv's, there is
> absolutely
>not resistance of any kind, the ailerons moved up or down with one finger....
>
> Any Ideas, or I am being paranoid about this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bert
>
>
>rv6a
>
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Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re:Don't trust> Now tandem sunshade |
--> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/14/04 8:32:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rhkoger@fbx.com
writes:
> ALSO: I have developed a 46" long sunshade for the RV-8 or any tandem type
>
Ralph I have a -4 Do you have anything online or could you e-mail a
picture.
No OshKosh this year :(
Thanks
Sal Capra
Lakeland, FL
My Home Page
http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: re: don't trust this RV 6 guy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" <cweyant@chuckdirect.com>
I sent him an email too.
Chuck Weyant
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| Subject: | Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Ralph Koger wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph Koger" <rhkoger@fbx.com>
>
> This information fits into my situation also. For the last 8 years I have
> been manufacturing and selling the Koger SunShade and have always shipped
> the same or next day and have been telling them, just put a check in the
> mail. The RV people have been outstanding and I have not lost a cent with
> anyone. I sell a good number of shades to people that have other types of
> planes and many of these people do not play by the same rules that the RV
> people do. I have been beat out of a couple of shades to an out of the
> country aircraft manufacture. I have had to send bills and ask others in
> their type of aircraft groups for help to get paid for my shades. I now have
> on the books Peter Hebert DMD from Stowe, VT that I special made a shade for
> his Lancair Legacy N23PH. Thanks to the list for the gov information, it
> shows that he just got his N number 6/03/04. He must be very busy for he has
> not returned a couple of account due and e-mail notices for payment. When a
> person states that they will put the check in the mail and don't it does
> make us wonder if our method of doing business is correct. For over 20 years
> I have been RV ing and it goes back to Van for his honest dealings and his
> outstanding plane designs.
> Ralph Koger
> ALSO: I have developed a 46" long sunshade for the RV-8 or any tandem type
> canopy, and will be showing it at Oshkosh. See it at Cleaveland Tool.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mark phipps" <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Don't trust this RV-6 Owner
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Thanks for the info Alan.
> >
> > Mark Phipps
> >
> > Alan McKeen <amckeen@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Alan McKeen"
> >
> > From Yahoo people search. I do not know him but there are several very
> nice RV plane and builders in the Buffalo NY area. They probably know who he
> is and what he is up to.
> >
> > Steven Dinieri
> > 1202 Main St
> > Niagara Falls, NY
> >
> > (716) 285-8935
> >
> >
> > F Time: 12:55:25 PM PST US
> > rom: mark phipps
> >
> > Subject: Re: Dont trust this RV6 owner
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps
> >
> > Hi Conrad, Good to hear from you. He owes $200. I also was hoping someone
> on the
> > list knows this person. Sadly in these cases one of the two parties
> involved
> > has to send either the money or goods on faith. I would not have expected
> this
> > from a fellow RV'r.
> > Mark Phipps
> >
> > Konrad Werner wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner"
> >
> > Dear Mark,
> >
> > Sorry to hear that some RV'er is trying to not pay you for parts sent on
> good faith.
> > What is the amount he owes you? Does anybody in the list know this guy?
> >
> > Konrad
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mark phipps
> > Subject: RV-List: Dont trust this RV6 owner
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps
> >
> > Listers, Watch out for RV6 owner and RV10 builder Steve Dinieri of New
> York. He
> > came on the list 3 months ago looking for a rudder for his six. I agreed
> to sell
> > him an extra I had and made the mistake of sending it to him before I was
> > paid. Guess what, 3 months later and no money, says he is too busy. My
> mistake
> > evidently. If you deal with this person or know him, make sure you get
> paid first.
> >
> > Mark Phipps, N242RP, RV6A, Almost Flying
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
I really appreciate the people who do ship and trust people for their money.
Among them SteinAir, B & B Aircraft parts(?), Barry-J before they sold out. And
others. B&B is the first tent I look for at Sun and Fun and Oshkosh and I always
remind them that I appreciate their policy. The nice lady said they have been
stung a few times but not very many. Then I buy stuff- lots of stuff.
(I sure hope Stein got my check last week, I told my wife to mail it)
Maybe rather than do anything to the plane, Just hang a sign on the prop like
the EAA "dont touch" signs, telling the story for all to read. Might have to do
it a couple of times. Do the same to the Dr. Pete.....
When I read Jerry's deal about his rudder back when it happened, it made me
sick.Who ever did this knew it. And he is very correct about the walk around.
Just get in a habit of it. It takes less than a minute to walk around and "look"
at your plane to see if anything has changed visibly since the last time you
looked at it.
Phil in Illinois finishing up canopy, Got to get it flying, I need an RV
badly....
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons Tavel... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
When the ailerons are in the full down position the bellcrank/pushrod is
just over-center. This can be felt on the aileron side of the system
since it is pushing against this slight over-center condition. The stick
is pulling on the bellcrank and is not effected by the over-center
condition.
Gary
bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>
> Hi:
>
> I have finally, I think..have the 15o. down and 25o up...the only thing, is
> that when I move the ailerons up, with my hand, there is some resistance at
> the start, of course from inside the cockpit, you canot feel any as the stick
> moves easily..
>
> I am concerned because when I have checked other rv's, there is absolutely
> not resistance of any kind, the ailerons moved up or down with one finger....
>
> Any Ideas, or I am being paranoid about this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bert
>
>
> rv6a
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons Tavel... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" <ron@walker.net>
Just have to toss out an obvious suggestion ... mine does the same thing ..
then I realized that the binding/resistance was due to the Classic Aero seat
cushions I have installed. With them removed, no resistance what so ever.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ailerons Tavel...
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> Let me know what you find, mine does the same thing. 150 hours now, flies
> great.
>
>
> At 10:49 AM 7/14/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
> >
> >
> > Hi:
> >
> > I have finally, I think..have the 15o. down and 25o up...the only
> > thing, is
> > that when I move the ailerons up, with my hand, there is some
resistance at
> >the start, of course from inside the cockpit, you canot feel any as the
stick
> >moves easily..
> >
> > I am concerned because when I have checked other rv's, there is
> > absolutely
> >not resistance of any kind, the ailerons moved up or down with one
finger....
> >
> > Any Ideas, or I am being paranoid about this?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bert
> >
> >
> >rv6a
> >
> >
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | re: don't trust this RV 6 guy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
when I put an email out for rudders I bought 4 of them and everyone was
paid except mark. I wanted it shipped cod but when it arrived and I
spoke to him I asked right away if he could accept paypal. No big deal
I'll send a p.o. into the office and have them send a check(out of my
business). Apparently she lost his address and let it set. I have been
traveling out of town for the past 5 weeks to put a family member to
rest and help close an estate.
I spoke to mark and asked him to be patient and I'll take care of him
when I get back to my office. I do apologize about the delay and I never
intended to defraud anyone at anytime. I'm still on the road and can
only check email once a week, but I called my office and had a salesman
ups next day letter marks money plus 20 for his trouble. The tracking
number for all interested parties is 1z5y31131340808111
Jerry is right, we should not do anything that could hurt anyone, don't
want to stoop to that level. Donald did post Steve Dinieri's e mail
address though and I sent him an E mail this morning. Maybe Donalds
right and numerous mailings from listers could at least let him know
this behaviour has consequences.
Mark Phipps
Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
Donald Mei wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei"
>
>All,
>The trust among list members is one of the things that makes us a
community. I've sold stuff on the list for less than I could have goten
on the "open market" because it was no hassle. No ebay, no paypal, just
ship the item and feel good knowing that my item is crossing a check on
its way to me somewhere in the good old USPS.
>
>So, we have a rat among us who has screwed Mark Phipps. Well, we should
let him know that we all know. We shold also let him know that he is not
welcome at any RV type events. I for one will take great pleasure in
telling him this to his face if I ever recognize his N number at an
event.
>
>The Oswego EAA Chapter has a big RV fly in. Is he a member of that
chapter??
>
>I think a good start is for all of us to send a nice personal
(non-hostile, non-threatening) email to mister "sticky fingers" Dinieri.
>
>His email address is:
>
>capsteve@adelphia.net
>
>If that doesn't help get mister Phipps his rudder back, (the following
is said tongue in cheek) we should go get it back. If mr Phipps has not
been paid, he still owns the rudder. I think Oshkosh would be a nice
place to very carefullyremove the rudder if Mr. Dinieri makes the trip.
We need to be careful not to damage the aircraft, since our intent is to
only get Mr Phipps back his rightfully owned property.
>
>
While I sympathize with anyone "getting screwed" I don't think the above
is funny even tongue in cheek Don. While most of you know that I
replaced the rudder on my RV-6 with an RV-7 rudder and stabilizer some
of you may not know why. Last year at Van's homecoming
flyin someone severely damaged the rudder on my RV-6. I of course being
the great safe flight instructor jumped in my airplane and took off.
(very important lesson #1 ALWAYS DO A WALK AROUND AND PRE-FLIGHT)climb
was fine but when I leveled out I knew I had a problem
the airplane went into a left roll and it took a lot of rudder and
aileron to fly straight. When I landed I found the trailing edge of the
rudder was
pushed over about two inches and the skin was torn where it had been
hit. Of course no one said a word to me, no notes, nothing. This is one
of those
situation that if I had crashed no one would have known why or
understood. I can see it now, he probably had a medical problem, this
seems to be
a catch all for any unexplained crashes. I post this for a couple
reasons. #1 don't be stupid like I was and jump in your airplane with
out at least a quick
walk around. #2 Please if you damage someones airplane at least leave a
note or try to notify someone. While I don't like my airplane damaged I
understand
accidents can happen where damage can occur. I certainly would have a
lot more respect for someone that came to me and admitted they did some
damage.
Jerry (Flying my RV-6 15 years tomorrow, first flight July 14, 1989)
Springer
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| Subject: | re: don't trust this RV 6 guy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Ah!!! The power of social pressure.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Subject: RE: RV-List: re: don't trust this RV 6 guy
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
when I put an email out for rudders I bought 4 of them and everyone was
paid except mark. I wanted it shipped cod but when it arrived and I
spoke to him I asked right away if he could accept paypal. No big deal
I'll send a p.o. into the office and have them send a check(out of my
business). Apparently she lost his address and let it set. I have been
traveling out of town for the past 5 weeks to put a family member to
rest and help close an estate.
I spoke to mark and asked him to be patient and I'll take care of him
when I get back to my office. I do apologize about the delay and I never
intended to defraud anyone at anytime. I'm still on the road and can
only check email once a week, but I called my office and had a salesman
ups next day letter marks money plus 20 for his trouble. The tracking
number for all interested parties is 1z5y31131340808111
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| Subject: | re: don't trust this RV 6 guy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Or maybe the danger of jumping to conclusions.
Terry
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Ah!!! The power of social pressure.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Subject: RE: RV-List: re: don't trust this RV 6 guy
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
when I put an email out for rudders I bought 4 of them and everyone was
paid except mark. I wanted it shipped cod but when it arrived and I
spoke to him I asked right away if he could accept paypal. No big deal
I'll send a p.o. into the office and have them send a check(out of my
business). Apparently she lost his address and let it set. I have been
traveling out of town for the past 5 weeks to put a family member to
rest and help close an estate.
I spoke to mark and asked him to be patient and I'll take care of him
when I get back to my office. I do apologize about the delay and I never
intended to defraud anyone at anytime. I'm still on the road and can
only check email once a week, but I called my office and had a salesman
ups next day letter marks money plus 20 for his trouble. The tracking
number for all interested parties is 1z5y31131340808111
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| Subject: | stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Quick, I ordered the 200hp IO360 FWF kit already! The kit comes with the "stewart
warner style" oil cooler which looks kind of small for the job. I don't
know who makes it now. It used to be Niagara. Scott at Van's didn't know much
about it. Is it the one that folks keep having to replace once they start flying
and figure out it's inadequate or am I thinking of a different brand?
There's also "new" 200hp oil cooler from Positech made just for this engine but
Scott at Van's didn't know Positech had even come out with new oil coolers.
I'm stuck. Which do I really want (no, I don't want to buy a $400 unit from somewhere
else if one of these works)?
thanks,
lucky
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| Subject: | Re: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil |
cooler
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com> cooler
Dont order the cooler from Vans right now. Ask what everyone else is using
in hot climates and then just get that. It is always safer to error on the
bigger side when it comes to oil coolers. I should know I just switched
from 7 row to a 10 row. I wish the people at Van's had never talked me out
of the larger cooler.
At 05:08 PM 7/14/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>Quick, I ordered the 200hp IO360 FWF kit already! The kit comes with the
>"stewart warner style" oil cooler which looks kind of small for the
>job. I don't know who makes it now. It used to be Niagara. Scott at Van's
>didn't know much about it. Is it the one that folks keep having to
>replace once they start flying and figure out it's inadequate or am I
>thinking of a different brand?
>
>There's also "new" 200hp oil cooler from Positech made just for this
>engine but Scott at Van's didn't know Positech had even come out with new
>oil coolers.
>
>I'm stuck. Which do I really want (no, I don't want to buy a $400 unit
>from somewhere else if one of these works)?
>
>thanks,
>lucky
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Oil door question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Andy Karmy <andy@karmy.com>
Here are some pictures of how I did it.
http://www.karmy.com/rv9a/pictures/fuselage/Cowl/index.htm
- Andy Karmy
andy@karmy.com
On Jul 14, 2004, at 7:38 AM, bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>
> Hi:
>
> I am ready to install the cowling door. I want to use the flush
> latch..
>
> How I do to make the cover fit covering the hinge. Do I have to use
> a shimm
> to lower hinge at the top. If some one has pictures of this
> modification
> would be appreciated..
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Well, what oil coolers did you switch from and to and why?
lucky
In a message dated 7/14/2004 5:43:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
cooler
Dont order the cooler from Vans right now. Ask what everyone else is using
in hot climates and then just get that. It is always safer to error on the
bigger side when it comes to oil coolers. I should know I just switched
from 7 row to a 10 row. I wish the people at Van's had never talked me out
of the larger cooler.
At 05:08 PM 7/14/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>Quick, I ordered the 200hp IO360 FWF kit already! The kit comes with the
>"stewart warner style" oil cooler which looks kind of small for the
>job. I don't know who makes it now. It used to be Niagara. Scott at Van's
>didn't know much about it. Is it the one that folks keep having to
>replace once they start flying and figure out it's inadequate or am I
>thinking of a different brand?
>
>There's also "new" 200hp oil cooler from Positech made just for this
>engine but Scott at Van's didn't know Positech had even come out with new
>oil coolers.
>
>I'm stuck. Which do I really want (no, I don't want to buy a $400 unit
>from somewhere else if one of these works)?
>
>thanks,
>lucky
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
I am using the Positech for "hot climates" from VAN'S and it's hot
in central Texas. I mounted it on the left side rear baffling and never
see over 190 degrees in hard climb. Runs 175 to 185 at 85% cruise down
low with OAT at 95 degrees. I did check gauge and it is accurate. RV6
with 180 HP XP-360. I have seen hot oil problems cured in a couple of
cases by moving cooler to baffling from firewall.
Good Luck
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
cooler
Subject: Re: RV-List: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil
cooler
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com> cooler
Dont order the cooler from Vans right now. Ask what everyone else is
using
in hot climates and then just get that. It is always safer to error on
the
bigger side when it comes to oil coolers. I should know I just switched
from 7 row to a 10 row. I wish the people at Van's had never talked me
out
of the larger cooler.
At 05:08 PM 7/14/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>Quick, I ordered the 200hp IO360 FWF kit already! The kit comes with
the
>"stewart warner style" oil cooler which looks kind of small for the
>job. I don't know who makes it now. It used to be Niagara. Scott at
Van's
>didn't know much about it. Is it the one that folks keep having to
>replace once they start flying and figure out it's inadequate or am I
>thinking of a different brand?
>
>There's also "new" 200hp oil cooler from Positech made just for this
>engine but Scott at Van's didn't know Positech had even come out with
new
>oil coolers.
>
>I'm stuck. Which do I really want (no, I don't want to buy a $400 unit
>from somewhere else if one of these works)?
>
>thanks,
>lucky
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
The 200hp angle-valve IO-360-A1B6 engine tends to see higher oil temps, or
at least higher oil temp tendencies than the parallel valve -360 models. I
have no good explanation for that, it's just my experience with several
different 200hp IO-360s in different planes.
So when somebody says "such and such works fine on my O-360 or XP-360," it's
really an apples and oranges comparison (in my opinion).
I had poor experience with the 7-row Aero Classics oil cooler that Van's
shipped me with the 200hp IO-360 FWF kit. I believe they may have changed
what they're shipping with the FWF kit now, but I didn't get enough cooling
out of that Aero Classics model.
I switched to the Stewart Warner 8406R 6-plate oil cooler, which has the
same footprint as the smaller Aero Classics, and despite its "small" size,
it seems to be so much more efficient. Just a direct swapout resulted in an
average of 5% lower oil temps. It runs too cool in moderate climates if
anything. In hot climates it seems to do the job pretty well.
I urge you to read my account of the oil cooler swap-out here:
http://www.rvproject.com/20040519.html
As of today, I won't buy anything but Stewart Warner oil coolers going
forward if I have an option. In my opinion it's worth the higher price for
a more efficient, better designed oil cooler -- or at least one that works
better in my installation.
If I were doing it over again, I might consider a larger Stewart Warner oil
cooler, but it might be overkill. When I was flying in the "cold" northeast
the other day, my oil temp wouldn't go above 174F when the OAT at altitude
was down in the 30s and 40s F. In hot climates it will climb up to 215F on
prolonged climbs, but it does settle back down into the 190s shortly after
levelling off and picking up speed. I think this size and efficiency is a
good compromise for the average climate around here (SoCal).
Best of luck,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
Subject: RE: RV-List: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler
> --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
>
>
> I am using the Positech for "hot climates" from VAN'S and it's hot
> in central Texas. I mounted it on the left side rear baffling and never
> see over 190 degrees in hard climb. Runs 175 to 185 at 85% cruise down
> low with OAT at 95 degrees. I did check gauge and it is accurate. RV6
> with 180 HP XP-360. I have seen hot oil problems cured in a couple of
> cases by moving cooler to baffling from firewall.
> Good Luck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
> cooler
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil
> cooler
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com> cooler
>
> Dont order the cooler from Vans right now. Ask what everyone else is
> using
> in hot climates and then just get that. It is always safer to error on
> the
> bigger side when it comes to oil coolers. I should know I just switched
> from 7 row to a 10 row. I wish the people at Van's had never talked me
> out
> of the larger cooler.
>
>
> At 05:08 PM 7/14/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
> >Quick, I ordered the 200hp IO360 FWF kit already! The kit comes with
> the
> >"stewart warner style" oil cooler which looks kind of small for the
> >job. I don't know who makes it now. It used to be Niagara. Scott at
> Van's
> >didn't know much about it. Is it the one that folks keep having to
> >replace once they start flying and figure out it's inadequate or am I
> >thinking of a different brand?
> >
> >There's also "new" 200hp oil cooler from Positech made just for this
> >engine but Scott at Van's didn't know Positech had even come out with
> new
> >oil coolers.
> >
> >I'm stuck. Which do I really want (no, I don't want to buy a $400 unit
>
> >from somewhere else if one of these works)?
> >
> >thanks,
> >lucky
> >
> >
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Lucky,
How timely for me!
I have been flying my RV-7A with the 200 HP IO-360-C1E6 (like A1B6 now) for
only a week in the hot summer in Indiana. The oil reaches 230 deg. F. in any
kind of climb or even level flight at 24 inches/ 2400 RPM with OAT at 85 deg.
We are 850 ft. MSL here. I feel like I'm having to baby the engine to keep
the oil temp down. The cyl. heads are OK -- never over 400 deg.
The engine is not broken in yet. I have a firewall mounted 13 row cooler
from Niagara Air Parts -- their part no. 20006A -- as in Greg Hales RV-8.
(Search for Greg Hale using your browser for a picture.) My cooler sits at about
a
45 degree angle to the firewall making the airflow into it not quite direct
into the fins. I am feeding an aluminum shroud that I fabricated (which is less
than perfect) with 4" scat, but several people have looked at it and most say
that it should work.
I just ordered the 11 row 10611R Stewart Warner cooler from Pacific Oil
Coolers, Inc. which is the same size as the 20006A. It will be a week before it
gets here from LA, but I'll post the results then.
I really like having the oil cooler on the firewall as opposed to the baffle
from a vibration standpoint -- even if I have to go to 5 inch scat!
I have considered lowering the exit scoop an inch because of the poor airflow
of the cluttered exit area with the 7A's nosegear tubing, and all kinds of
other things, blocking the exit area, but decided to try the SW cooler first.
I would be very glad to hear from others having this problem and what they
did about it. There's no use having 200 HP if you can't use it.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (Flying -- 8 hrs.)
In a message dated 7/14/04 5:19:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
RV8ter@aol.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Well, what oil coolers did you switch from and to and why?
lucky
In a message dated 7/14/04 5:19:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
RV8ter@aol.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Well, what oil coolers did you switch from and to and why?
lucky
In a message dated 7/14/04 5:19:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
RV8ter@aol.com writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
> Well, what oil coolers did you switch from and to and why?
>
> lucky
>
>
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| Subject: | re: don't trust this RV 6 guy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
I've followed this thread from the first posting, and all along couldn't
help think that I was reading only one half of the story. Thanks, Steve,
for presenting the other half and filling in the story.
I hope all of you listers who were so happy to jump on the "let's lynch the
(alledged) rip-off artist" bandwagon are just as quick to jump on the
"let's lynch the impatient guy who has no sympathy for family emergencies"
bandwagon.
Just my $0.02.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On 11:48 14/07/2004 "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
>
> when I put an email out for rudders I bought 4 of them and everyone was
> paid except mark. I wanted it shipped cod but when it arrived and I
> spoke to him I asked right away if he could accept paypal. No big deal
> I'll send a p.o. into the office and have them send a check(out of my
> business). Apparently she lost his address and let it set. I have been
> traveling out of town for the past 5 weeks to put a family member to
> rest and help close an estate.
> I spoke to mark and asked him to be patient and I'll take care of him
> when I get back to my office. I do apologize about the delay and I never
> intended to defraud anyone at anytime. I'm still on the road and can
> only check email once a week, but I called my office and had a salesman
> ups next day letter marks money plus 20 for his trouble. The tracking
> number for all interested parties is 1z5y31131340808111
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| Subject: | Re: re: don't trust this RV 6 guy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a@comcast.net>
> Or maybe the danger of jumping to conclusions.
> Terry
> Ah!!! The power of social pressure.
>
> Bruce
=====================================
Or maybe...
a little of each? <g>
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: XCOM 760 status |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 07/14/2004 8:01:48 AM Central Standard Time, don@dmack.net
writes:
I happen to email Michael Coates from Xcom yesterday. His reply was "Wont be
long".
OSH notes: Three years ago I drooled over the 8 cylinder Jabiru motor. I
have a Lycosaur in my RV. Two years ago I almost ordered an Xcom, annointed by
Jim Weir with some award about best new stuff at the show. I'm REAL happy
with my Microair 760.
I REALLY hope Xcom pulls it off, but in the meantime, caveat emptor,
y'all................
Do not archive From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Wire - end to end |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 07/14/2004 9:36:30 AM Central Standard Time,
Kathleen@rv7.us writes:
Any help at all is better than what I have now.
....and if I may offer no help at all? FWIW I "carefully" calculated my wire
requirements from my complete drawing package, began wiring and promptly
doubled my original purchase of 22 and 18 ga. And STILL had to order more
22....... aaarrrgghhh!!!!!
Best of luck & order lots more than you think you'll need!
Mark
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| Subject: | How Much Wire - end to end |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us>
>
> I don't expect any precise answers -- But does anyone have a
> list of roughly how much wire of each gauge I should buy to
> wire my 7 end to end. It will be all electric, autopilot
> lights and a modest IFR panel. I'm really only looking for
> something in the ballpark on this because I don't know where
> to start. Any help at all is better than what I have now. Thanks....
>
> Kathleen
> www.rv7.us
Kathleen, it will surprise you how much wire it takes. I seem to recall
going through many hundreds of feet of 22 gauge alone on building up the
panel harness (full IFR). Best is to draw a sketch of the plane, and
add where things go such as lights, etc. Then estimate the length from
the panel, for example, to the device. Make a table for the wire, and
add up the length estimates of the different gauges. It is a lot
further from the panel to the wingtips than one thinks, also.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 496 hours
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Wire - end to end |
--> RV-List message posted by: MMcs139808@aol.com
Its like getting wood for the camp fire, when you think you have enough
double it then add half as much again.
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| Subject: | How Much Wire - end to end |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gregory Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
I'll second Mark's comments and suggest you get a 500' spool of your primary
gauge(s). It makes life a lot easier if you can just rip off a piece longer
than you'll need and trim to length later... and not worry about running
short. It's like clecos - once I realized I could bury myself in clecos for
a couple hundred bucks I quit fighting it and bought a bunch. You can do the
same with wire. Wiring is too tedious and the wire is too cheap, so don't
aggravate yourself by skimping.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
> Subject: Re: RV-List: How Much Wire - end to end
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 07/14/2004 9:36:30 AM Central Standard
> Time, Kathleen@rv7.us writes:
> Any help at all is better than what I have now.
> ....and if I may offer no help at all?
> FWIW I "carefully"
> calculated my wire requirements from my complete drawing
> package, began wiring and promptly doubled my original
> purchase of 22 and 18 ga. And STILL had to order more
> 22....... aaarrrgghhh!!!!!
>
> Best of luck & order lots more than you think you'll need!
> Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: plans Date: ...4 Jul 2004 16:03:58 +0200 (\214rodkowoeuropejs... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Unless you get a very early set of RV3 or RV4 plans I wouldnt expect enough
information to scratch build. The plans are really much more of an assembly
manual and do not detail the size and shape of every part of the airplane.
If you want to scratch build I suggest the Sonex. It is smaller and slower,
but the plans are first rate and definatly tunued to the scratch builder.
You can just paint it like an RV9 :)
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tedi" <f.t@wp.pl>
Subject: RV-List: Fw: plans Date: ...4 Jul 2004 16:03:58 +0200
(\214rodkowoeuropejs...
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tedi" <f.t@wp.pl>
>
>
> As a total newbee I am asking for help/info:
>
> Is this possible to build RV8 or RV9 only from plans provided by Van's?
> What is the estimated % of parts that man has to or should buy from
producer
>
>
> I live in Poland - so I am interrested in aviability of kits or some parts
> in Europe. Is there someone from Czech Republic?
>
> Best regards
> Tadeusz Forgacz
>
>
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| Subject: | stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV-List: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil
cooler
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
The 200hp angle-valve IO-360-A1B6 engine tends to see higher oil temps,
or
at least higher oil temp tendencies than the parallel valve -360 models.
I
have no good explanation for that, it's just my experience with several
different 200hp IO-360s in different planes.
Dan,
One difference (I believe) is that the angle valve engine has nozzles
which spray oil on the underside of the pistons to enhance cooling.
This, of course puts more BTUs into the oil to be removed by the cooler.
Bart at Aerosport told me that these could also be installed on the
parallal valve engine during the build.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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| Subject: | Re: stewart warner 'style' vs Positech 200hp oil cooler |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
My oil temps were higher than I liked initially and I changed out the "old"
style Positech for a Niagra and saw some improvement, but not enough. Then
I added a "cool collar" around the oil filter and a shroud to carry cool air
to it and saw some minor improvement. Later, I enlarged the hole in my
baffles feeding the cooler and that did make a meaningful difference. My
take is that getting enough air to the cooler is very important. If you
have an "old" Positech, change it out - the factory will send you the new
style for free. Otherwise, do whatever it takes to increase the airflow to
your cooler.
Finally, there is the engine break-in period. Being ancient technology,
these engines are somewhat self-machining, and will have lower oil
temperatures when they are fully broken in than for the first 50 or even 100
hours.
KB
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| Subject: | Re: re: don't trust this RV 6 guy |
--> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
One last message on this, Thanks to everyone for assisting in this endeavour. There
well may have been another side to this story, but I wasn't privy to it.
Bottom line is that phone calls, and E mails from me were not being responded
to and I had little expectation of that changing. The collective voice of this
group and willingness to help others is much appreciated.
Mark Phipps
Bob 1 <rv3a@comcast.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1"
> Or maybe the danger of jumping to conclusions.
> Terry
> Ah!!! The power of social pressure.
>
> Bruce
=====================================
Or maybe...
a little of each?
Bob
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | 200 HP oil coolers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Davis" <rvpilot@access4less.net>
Lucky,
How timely for me!
I have been flying my RV-7A with the 200 HP IO-360-C1E6 (like A1B6 now) for
only a week in the hot summer in Indiana. The oil reaches 230 deg. F. in any
kind of climb or even level flight at 24 inches/ 2400 RPM with OAT at 85 deg.
We are 850 ft. MSL here. I feel like I'm having to baby the engine to keep
the oil temp down. The cyl. heads are OK -- never over 400 deg.
______________________________________________________________________
For what it's worth, on my IO-360 A1B6 powered RV-8, I have been using 2 Seetrab
(Sp ?) coolers piped in series. Never had an airplane before where the oil temp.stayed
so perfect under all conditions. It runs 190 to 193 winter or summer,
I have seen 196 after a long climb.
Seetrabs are made in Sweeden I believe and are inexpensive @ around $80 at the
time.
The reason for the higher oil heat load on this engine is that the piston bottoms
are partially cooled by oil jets ( this probably also accounts for the typically
higher oil consumption than the 0-360 or 0-320). One Seetrab is plenty
for the other engines. My coolers are bolted to the engine mount and enclosed
in a fiberglass shroud fed by a 3" duct from the right rear baffle
Bill RV-8 N48WD Tiger-Kat
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| Subject: | Initial electrical set up |
--> RV-List message posted by:
Hi everybody,
I'm just starting to do the electrical side of my RV6 and I have no experience
at all in this area. I've bought the copper bus bar from Vans along with the CBs,
switches, relays , contactors etc etc .
I want to know how does one mount the bus bar and where . Do you bolt it to the
back of the instrument panel and then the CB's to that? Where is the best
place for the starter and battery relays and contactors to be located?
Any pictures or advice will help?
Shirley Harding RV6 QB
Perth
WA
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| Subject: | Re: Initial electrical set up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 06:49 PM 7/14/2004, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by:
>
>Hi everybody,
>
>I'm just starting to do the electrical side of my RV6 and I have no
>experience at all in this area. I've bought the copper bus bar from Vans
>along with the CBs, switches, relays , contactors etc etc .
Send it all back. Use fuses per aeroelectric connection. I used fuses and
my buss bar is a brass bolt. I have twenty years of frustration with CBs
and little with fuses. Leave the CBs to the military and other big buck
flyers.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Part #A906 & A907-L wings alierons |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Sportpilot
I didn't see a response to this question yet. The hardware that you are
looking for is in Bag 1926 titled Aileron Hwr. It is listed in the
supplemental sheets that list rivets, fittings, etc. Hope this helps. Also
check Bag 1928 for 2 ea MS21083-N3 (thin) locking nuts. They were only shown
on Dwg 13, Zone 10B, not in the inventory list for that bag. Van's supplied
them without question when I pointed out the omission.
Dean Van Winkle
RV-9A 90095
Fuselage/Finish
----- Original Message -----
From: "sportpilot" <sportpilot@moneypit.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Part #A906 & A907-L wings alierons
> --> RV-List message posted by: "sportpilot" <sportpilot@moneypit.com>
>
>
> Forgot to say its an RV-9A left wing
>
> Subject: RV-List: Part #A906 & A907-L wings alierons
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "sportpilot" <sportpilot@moneypit.com>
> >
> >
> > ok, now I have a question, my plans are dated 11/15/99
> > kinda old, but on my left wing brackets A906 & A907-L
> > shows bolts holding them to the alieron and I don't
> > see
> > any that are that small, anyone know what bag those
> > are suppose to be in.. ? do those rivet in ? they show
> > bolts and washer with nuts.. Danny..
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Initial electrical set up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Shirley,
You can get just the documentation from Van's. That will get you a good
start. The breakers are spaced 1 inch apart and the buss bar has holes on 1 inch
centers that join one side of all the breakers. In other words drill holes in
a line in the panel one inch apart, and mount the breakers in those holes,
then attach the buss bar between the breakers.
I think you can save money if you shop carefully. The Vans wiring kit seems
too expensive to me. It would help if you have some very heavy duty crimpers
to crimp the heavy starter and battery wires -- 4 ga., I think. The kit from
Vans has lots of extra heavy gauge wires already made up. Anyone who has used
their wiring kit will have some extra ones. Mine are spoken for!
On the RV-7, the battery is mounted to the forward side of the firewall, and
the master and starter relays are mounted to the battery tray.
Hope this helps,
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (Flying -- 8 hours)
In a message dated 7/14/04 8:51:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I'm just starting to do the electrical side of my RV6 and I have no
> experience at all in this area. I've bought the copper bus bar from Vans along
with
> the CBs, switches, relays , contactors etc etc .
>
> I want to know how does one mount the bus bar and where . Do you bolt it to
> the back of the instrument panel and then the CB's to that? Where is the
> best place for the starter and battery relays and contactors to be located?
>
> Any pictures or advice will help?
>
> Shirley Harding RV6 QB
>
> Perth
> WA
>
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| Subject: | Re: re: don't trust this RV 6 guy |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Steven,
My compliments for standing up for yourself in this mob. Just one question:
Why do you need 4 rudders?
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (Flying -- 8 hours)
In a message dated 7/14/04 1:51:04 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
capsteve@adelphia.net writes:
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
>
>
> when I put an email out for rudders I bought 4 of them and everyone was
> paid except mark. I wanted it shipped cod but when it arrived and I
> spoke to him I asked right away if he could accept paypal. No big deal
> I'll send a p.o. into the office and have them send a check(out of my
> business). Apparently she lost his address and let it set. I have been
> traveling out of town for the past 5 weeks to put a family member to
> rest and help close an estate.
> I spoke to mark and asked him to be patient and I'll take care of him
> when I get back to my office. I do apologize about the delay and I never
> intended to defraud anyone at anytime. I'm still on the road and can
> only check email once a week, but I called my office and had a salesman
> ups next day letter marks money plus 20 for his trouble. The tracking
> number for all interested parties is 1z5y31131340808111
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Initial electrical set up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
I think that's a little extreme Hal, I know that "Electric Bob" likes
fuses (although I still haven't figured out why), but, although they are
expensive, circuit breakers DO work and work quite well and I would not
advise against using them.
It seems to me that there was a post just today about having to go to
Walmart for fuses....?
Dave Bristol RV6 So Cal
EAA Technical Counselor
Hal / Carol Kempthorne wrote:
>Send it all back. Use fuses per aeroelectric connection. I used fuses and
>my buss bar is a brass bolt. I have twenty years of frustration with CBs
>and little with fuses. Leave the CBs to the military and other big buck
>flyers.
>
>
>K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
>RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
>PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: re: don't trust this RV 6 guy |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Rob Prior wrote:
>I hope all of you listers who were so happy to jump on the "let's lynch the
>(alledged) rip-off artist" bandwagon are just as quick to jump on the
>"let's lynch the impatient guy who has no sympathy for family emergencies"
>bandwagon.
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>
I hardly call waiting 6 weeks impatient. I could be wrong but I don't
believe the original poster was aware of any family emergencies. If a
girl from Siberia can send me 3 emails a week trying to scam me out of
some money, someone living in the US with the means to build an RV can
respond to email inquires about money due in less than 6 weeks.
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| Subject: | Re: Initial electrical set up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
The Klixon 7277-2 CB's are only 9/16" wide and can be mounted on 5/8"
centers if you are tight on room. CB's cost more but some folks really like
them. Don't forget that there is also a CB style that has a rocker or
toggle switch instead of a plunger and can double up as a switch/CB combo.
There are some large differences in the physical size (and cost) of both
CB's and switches.
Albert Gardner
RV-9A 872RV
Yuma, AZ
> --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
> You can get just the documentation from Van's. That will get you a good
> start. The breakers are spaced 1 inch apart and the buss bar has holes on
1 inch
> centers that join one side of all the breakers.
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