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1. 04:47 AM - Re: Seeking some expertise (Richard Lundin)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: Headset Recommendation (RV6 Flyer)
3. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: Photos of RV-4 Stick boots. (Richard Bibb)
4. 05:26 AM - Anyone with Interior from Flightline Interiors going to Oshkosh? (sdellangelo@netzero.com)
5. 06:03 AM - Glass Plenum ()
6. 06:19 AM - Re: Seeking some expertise (Scott Bilinski)
7. 06:19 AM - Plenum ...... Check out any local Mooney aircraft (Philip Condon)
8. 06:21 AM - Re: Headset Recommendation (Scott Bilinski)
9. 07:08 AM - FW: Re: 'Flying' RV-8 Cover Error (Jack Blomgren)
10. 08:16 AM - Last minute room at Oshkosh. (John Helms)
11. 08:37 AM - New engine and prop... long... (Bill VonDane)
12. 08:38 AM - Whelen A500... (Bill VonDane)
13. 08:54 AM - Re: Whelen A500... (Bill VonDane)
14. 08:57 AM - Re: Glass Plenum (Jeff Point)
15. 09:12 AM - Re: Plenum (Turbo Tom)
16. 10:04 AM - Re: flying to Oshkosh (Bob Japundza)
17. 10:51 AM - Whelen A490-TS-CF (Bill VonDane)
18. 02:08 PM - Re: New engine and prop... long... (Doug Gray)
19. 03:17 PM - Re: Anyone with Interior from Flightline Interiors going to Oshkosh? (LarryRobertHelming)
20. 03:24 PM - RV-9A emp on RV-7A (BGCrook@aol.com)
21. 04:04 PM - Re: New engine and prop... long... (Kevin Horton)
22. 04:27 PM - Re: RV-9A emp on RV-7A (Jim Sears)
23. 04:44 PM - Re: RV-9A emp on RV-7A (Stein Bruch)
24. 05:22 PM - (Charlie Kuss)
25. 05:54 PM - Antenna question (Jerry Calvert)
26. 06:22 PM - Re: Antenna question (linn walters)
27. 06:35 PM - Re: Antenna question (SportAV8R@aol.com)
28. 06:46 PM - Re: Antenna question (John)
29. 06:50 PM - Info. on Washington RV accident (Jerry Springer)
30. 07:29 PM - Re: RV-9A emp on RV-7A (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
31. 07:46 PM - carrying pressurized cylinders (Dave Ford)
32. 07:57 PM - Re: carrying pressurized cylinders (John Ammeter)
33. 07:58 PM - Re: Antenna question (Jerry Calvert)
34. 08:00 PM - Fuel Sender Gasket (mark phipps)
35. 08:04 PM - Re: Info. on Washington RV accident (Chris & Kellie Hand)
36. 08:16 PM - UV Smooth Prime (fiberglass - Ugh!) (thomas a. sargent)
37. 09:10 PM - Re: Fuel Sender Gasket (Ed Holyoke)
38. 09:23 PM - Re: carrying pressurized cylinders (Jim Anglin)
39. 10:34 PM - Re: flaring tool (Jim Jewell)
40. 11:04 PM - Flightline Interiors at OSH (Jeff Point)
41. 11:29 PM - Re: Re: flaring tool (Stein Bruch)
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| Subject: | Re: Seeking some expertise |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Lundin <rlundin46@yahoo.com>
--- Brian <hogriding@ameritech.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian"
> <hogriding@ameritech.net>
> Keep in mind Brian, you are asking about glass
airplanes on a list where everyone has decided to
build aluminum. :-)
Rick
> Hello-
>
> I am seeking some expertise in the purchase of an
> experimental aircraft.
> I have been on this distribution list for apprx four
> months simply
> observing all of the communication that takes place
> regarding the RV. I
> have to admit that there is an impressive sense of
> camaraderie and pride
> in owning an RV that I have not experienced anywhere
> else..
>
> I would like to know if anyone can offer any
> information with respect to
> purchasing an RV (-6a, -8a or -9a) vs Lancair or
> Glasair? I have begun
> researching these planes but I am a neophyte with
> respect to owning my
> own plane- especially an experimental. I have flown
> the traditional
> Pipers Warriors, Archers, Cessna 172, 182 and the
> Aztec twin. Except for
> the twin the other planes don't offer the enjoyment
> the experimentals
> can.
>
> I would like to invest in an aircraft that is
> economical to operate, has
> strong performance, good cruise speed for those long
> cross country
> trips, stable enough to be flown in instrument
> conditions yet take off
> from a 2200 foot grass strip with an obstacle (tall
> pine tress) in WI
> when the temp is 95 degrees coupled with a high
> density altitude and a
> passenger (I know it's a lot to ask)..
>
> A friend of mine gave me a ride in the back seat of
> an RV-4 and it was a
> lot great! That ride is what really led to my
> peaked interest in
> purchasing (I don't have any place to build so maybe
> sometime down the
> road) one of the aircraft mentioned above.. I have
> to say I am leaning
> on the RV series but I need to compare the facts..
>
> Ultimately, I understand it does come down to
> personal preference, but
> if anyone has gone through this process and has any
> insight to offer I
> would really appreciate the feedback.
>
> Thank you very much-
>
> Brian
> Starting from the basics
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Headset Recommendation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
I just did the $200 trade-in for the Thirty 3G. (two pair) They are more
comfortable and quieter than the old 25XLs they replaced.
You get use to the cord on the left in no time at all. Not a problem.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,528 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: Headset Recommendation
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
I need to upgrade my passenger (AKA wife) headsets. I have a set of
Lightspeed 25XL's, and would consider buying another set of Lightspeed's for
her, but they only offer headsets with the mic and cord on the left, and I
need the cord on the right for my passenger.
Recommendations?
Thanks in advance,
KB
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Photos of RV-4 Stick boots. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
I'd like those pictures, too. I have the same problem.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Bertsch" <noms1reqd@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Photos of RV-4 Stick boots.
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch <noms1reqd@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I am also looking for ideas for stick boots - especially in the rear seat
of my RV-4. (It seems whenever I drop anything, it always goes into the
hole.)
>
> So please also send me any pictures you may have.
>
> noms1reqd@yahoo.com
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeff Bertsch
>
> lonestarsquadron.com
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Anyone with Interior from Flightline Interiors going to Oshkosh? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "sdellangelo@netzero.com" <sdellangelo@netzero.com>
I would love to get to see one in person. I'll be going for the day this Sunday
(if weather is decent) and then the convention from Thursday - Sunday.
Thanks,
Scott DellAngelo
#90598 waiting for Fuselage
Plainfield, IL
Only $14.95/ month -visit www.netzero.com to sign up today!
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--> RV-List message posted by: <EricHe@FlexSolPackaging.com>
I've been doing the glass plenum thing myself lately. Just wasn't happy with glass
and made one out of .040 aluminum. As far as using West Systems epoxy, I wouldn't.
It doesn't have much of a heat tollerance. Good news is even the cheapo
vynal esther resin has about twice the heat rating that epoxy does. Vynal esther
is pretty cheap too, one good source is molding resin. It has to have a
good heat resistance since the layup will often flash to excess of 280 degrees.
You can get it at any good glass source. If not go to Jarmco on the internet
and they'll sell ya some for cheap.
Ya know, the $12.00 a quart ve resin I use sure looks and smells the same as Sams
resin. Probably just a coincidence.
Oh btw, hey Jeff ya know you can hold that plenum together with screws and nutplates
<:-O
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Seeking some expertise |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
At 09:54 PM 7/19/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I would like to invest in an aircraft that is economical to operate, has
>strong performance, good cruise speed for those long cross country
>trips, stable enough to be flown in instrument conditions yet take off
>from a 2200 foot grass strip with an obstacle (tall pine tress) in WI
>when the temp is 95 degrees coupled with a high density altitude and a
>passenger (I know it's a lot to ask)..
That pretty much decides it for you. Glass planes on a strip like
that....could be real interesting. In an RV a non issue. All this from what
little I know and have seen of glass planes.
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Plenum ...... Check out any local Mooney aircraft |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
Any local Mooney at your airport has a aluminum plenum or "dog house" as it
called. The RV we built has one based on a Mooney design. Rather easy once
you do the baffle kit. You have to do the baffle kit anyway, so adding the
top cover and nut plates was easy (compared to the baffle kit).
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Recommendation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I sent them a 25XL for repair......came back with the cord and mike of the
right! So it can be changed.
At 11:43 PM 7/19/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
>
>I need to upgrade my passenger (AKA wife) headsets. I have a set of
>Lightspeed 25XL's, and would consider buying another set of Lightspeed's
>for her, but they only offer headsets with the mic and cord on the left,
>and I need the cord on the right for my passenger.
>
>Recommendations?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>KB
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | FW: RE: 'Flying' RV-8 Cover Error |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
Did others notice the August '04 Flying magazine RV-8 cover picture error.
Do not archive.
From: Flying Editorial FLYEDIT@hfmus.com
Subject: RE: RV-8 Cover Error
Hi Jack,
You're certainly the first--and only--comment yet on the RV-8 cover photo.
Unless the slide was flopped in its frame, which can sometimes happen, we
ran the photo right side up. You may be correct, but it may be possible that
there have been some changes. I believe this was the factory prototype of
the kit.
Thanks for the kind words,
Mac McClellan, Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Blomgren [mailto:jackanet@hotmail.com]
Subject: RV-8 Cover Error
Flying Editor,
'Am certainly not the first RV-8 builder to notice the August '04 'Flying'
cover pic is reversed. Evidence--
The RV-8 Oil door, front baggage door, canopy latch, injected air inlet
(plus pilot's mic boom) are on the wrong side. Still a fine issue featuring
experimentals.
Jack Blomgren
Red Wing, MN
Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/
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| Subject: | Last minute room at Oshkosh. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
We had a last minute change in schedules, and have a room available at the Pioneer
(where Van does his banquet). If anyone just needs a room or if someone wanted
to plan on 'tying one on' at the banquet, they could stay right there at
the hotel that night.
The room is for Saturday night the 31st of July for one night.
Please call me toll free at 877 475 5860 or email me at jhelms@nationair.com for
more info. The cost of the room is $141 + Tax which comes to $160.38.
See you at Oshkosh. do not archive
JT
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| Subject: | New engine and prop... long... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
As most of you know I recently overhauled the engine in my -8A, taking it from
a 150HP with a bad cam to about 170HP... In this config I would see about 600-700
fpm climb and about 175 MPH TAS at 2550 RPM at 8000' MSL...
So I have been flying it with the overhauled engine for a while now with another
Sterba; a 70x78, maybe 20 hours, but have not been really happy with the performance
so I have been putting of posting any info... But this weekend I got
my new prop; a 66x72 Catto three bladed beauty! Man is it pretty.....and SMOOTH!
After flying the three bladed prop I may never go back to two! It is amazingly
smooth and quiet!
Anyway, I made three flights yesterday and decided to post some performance numbers...
Keep in mind that I did not take a lot of care to get exact numbers yesterday
with the Catto, and it was kinda bumpy, but I will get better numbers
soon, maybe in a couple weeks (damn day job keeps getting in the way of my fun)...
So take this for what it's worth, but note that I am more than satisfied
with the Catto... It does exactly what Craig said it would in RPM & SPEED,
and I would HIGHLY recommend to anyone looking for a fixed prop to call him up,
he is great to work with and the prop is beautiful! ...and oh man is it smooth!!
...did I mention that already?
So anyway, after the overhaul, and with a Sterba 70x78 wood prop here's what I
got from two different three way GPS runs on the same day:
(climb performance was takes from the VSI)
170HP - Sterba 70x78 prop
Ground OAT F: 63
Ground DA Ft: 8100
Static RPM: 2380
Climb MPH IAS: 115
Climb RPM: 700 - 800
Altitude - MSL: 8000
OAT F: 59
Full Throttle RPM: 2700
Heading:120 - MPH GPS GS: 174
Heading:360 - MPH GPS GS: 196
Heading:240 - MPH GPS GS: 168
MPH TAS from GPS Runs: 179.3
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170HP - Sterba 70x78 prop
Ground OAT: 68
Ground DA: 8400
Static RPM: 2380
Climb MPH: 110
Climb RPM: 700 - 800
Altitude - MSL: 8000
OAT F: 61
Full Throttle RPM: 2700
Heading:120 - MPH GPS GS: 175
Heading:360 - MPH GPS GS: 184
Heading:240 - MPH GPS GS: 174
TAS from GPS Runs: 177.6
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Now for the two runs I made yesterday with the Catto... Keep in mind it was pretty
bumpy and I didn't take all the reading is Should have...
170HP - Catto 66x72 prop
Ground OAT F: ?
Ground DA Ft: @ 9500
Static RPM: 2240
Climb MPH IAS: 120
Climb RPM: 1000-1100
Altitude - MSL: 8000
OAT F: 72
Full Throttle RPM: 2700
Heading:120 - MPH GPS GS: 193
Heading:360 - MPH GPS GS: 192
Heading:240 - MPH GPS GS: 196
MPH TAS from GPS Runs: 193.6
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170HP - Catto 66x72 prop
Ground OAT F: ?
Ground DA Ft: @ 10,000 maybe 10,500
Static RPM: 2240
Climb MPH IAS: 120
Climb RPM: 900-1000
Altitude - MSL: 8000
OAT F: ?
Full Throttle RPM: 2700
Heading:120 - MPH GPS GS: 183
Heading:360 - MPH GPS GS: 197
Heading:240 - MPH GPS GS: 194
MPH TAS from GPS Runs: 191.3
-------------------------------------------
So, like I said, the numbers I took with the Catto yesterday were quick and dirty,
but I will be doing some more testing in a couple weeks... I still want to
install an electronic ignition too!
Pix and info here: http://www.rv8a.com/engine/catto/
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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rv-8@yahoogroups.com, RV10@yahoogroups.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone have a Whelen A500-14 tail position/strobe light assembly I can
borrow? I will return it as new or replace it as necessary when I am done
with it...
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
bill@vondane.com
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Whelen A500... |
rv-8@yahoogroups.com, RV10@yahoogroups.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Thanks everyone! I got one coming...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<rv-8@yahoogroups.com>; <RV10@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Whelen A500...
Anyone have a Whelen A500-14 tail position/strobe light assembly I can
borrow? I will return it as new or replace it as necessary when I am done
with it...
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
bill@vondane.com
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Glass Plenum |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Yeah, I did go a little overboard. My theory on building anything- "If
a little bit is good, then a lot is better, and way too much is just
about right!" I need additional weight up front with the wood prop anyway.
Jeff
do not archive
EricHe@FlexSolPackaging.com wrote:
>Oh btw, hey Jeff ya know you can hold that plenum together with screws and nutplates
<:-O
>
>Eric
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
Almost all epoxies will go much higher than 200F. I use it all the time for
oil tanks and intake manifolds. The trick is post curing. You want to take
the temperature of the cured part up by 25F per hour. I usually go to 250F
in the oven, and that makes the part good for 300F.
I have baked parts in a car parked in the sun [140f here in GA], a solar
oven made with foil-backed "R-Max" insulation topped with a plastic sheet
[170F]. Mostly, the parts I make are small enough to do in my home oven.
Unless the composite part has a temperature rise of over 50 degrees from
it's previous temp, it will hold it's shape.
I like Aeropoxy the best for "hot" parts, but Poly-Epoxy best for general
use.
I also use S-glass instead of e-glass for it's stiffness. It's worth the
extra money for structural stiffness on parts like plenums, tanks and other
"unsupported structures" [no foam core]
Hope this helps somebody as much as all posters who responded to "infinity
grip trim relays" helped me. Thanks guys!
TT
he said he uses a special high temp
> epoxy, but you have to have a "license" to buy it.
>
> Any way I was pretty upset after talking with him, he suggested heat
curing
> it, I went home and put it in the Sauna increasing temp to 200F and then
left
> it there for an hour. When I went in to check it was hot, but fine, no
> distortion.
>
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| Subject: | Re: flying to Oshkosh |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob Japundza <bjapundza@yahoo.com>
Fly in late in the day after the airshow is over and
usually you will have the arrival pattern to yourself
and maybe 1-2 other airplanes. This has worked well
for me for the last three years. That way you have
time to unpack, set up camp, chill with your buddies
and a brew-ha before hitting it hard the next day...
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 500+ hours
F1 under const.
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| Subject: | Whelen A490-TS-CF |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>, rv-list@matronics.com,
rv-8@yahoogroups.com, RV10@yahoogroups.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone have a Whelen A490-TS-CF single strobe power supply I can borrow? I
need to run test on one to determine the outpur so I can finalize the output
of my new single strobe power pak untis...
I will return it as new or replace it as necessary when I am done with it...
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
bill@vondane.com
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: New engine and prop... long... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
Bill,
What method are you using for this TAS calculation?
If you happen to be using my spreadsheet then a small technical note.
The GPS track and Groundspeed are input to the computation, not the Heading.
If these are indeed headings all is not lost, I can tell you how to use
the spread to accomodate this.
Also, it is not necessary to be so precise about the heading you do fly.
Just record the GPS GS and Track.
Also, did you correct the TAS for Altitude and Temperature?
Doug Gray
> Altitude - MSL: 8000
> OAT F: 59
> Full Throttle RPM: 2700
> Heading:120 - MPH GPS GS: 174
> Heading:360 - MPH GPS GS: 196
> Heading:240 - MPH GPS GS: 168
>
> MPH TAS from GPS Runs: 179.3
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone with Interior from Flightline Interiors going to Oshkosh? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Well, I can tell you that I have the Flightline Interiors full package and
it is more than I expected. You will not be disappointed if you go with
them. I believe I was their 19 customer and I felt like I was experimenting
at the time. but time has proven that they are nice to deal with and their
product is tops. For instance, I emailed Abby a question about what her
recommendation was for installing the stick boots. She checked her records
and wanted to know if my boots were the solid color or blended color in my
color scheme. She made and shipped me two new boots because she had
designed a new sewing pattern. No Cost!!
Great support. I recommend them. They are located somewhere in WI but I
don't know if it is close to Oshkosh.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker" do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <sdellangelo@netzero.com>
Subject: RV-List: Anyone with Interior from Flightline Interiors going to
Oshkosh?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "sdellangelo@netzero.com"
<sdellangelo@netzero.com>
>
>
> I would love to get to see one in person. I'll be going for the day this
Sunday (if weather is decent) and then the convention from Thursday -
Sunday.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott DellAngelo
> #90598 waiting for Fuselage
> Plainfield, IL
>
> Only $14.95/ month -visit www.netzero.com to sign up today!
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-9A emp on RV-7A |
--> RV-List message posted by: BGCrook@aol.com
I originally started building a 9A. I got through most of the emp kit when a
local builder convinced me that I would regret not building a 7 instead. So, I
bought the 7 emp kit and started over. Now that I'm halfway through the wings
I got a chance to fly in a 9A and I found that I liked it better. I should
have test flown both before buying.
Now, I know there is noway to make my 7A fly like the 9, but I was wondering
what effect it would have if I put my 9 emp on the 7? I know I would have to
stay within the limitations of the 9 (160 hp, 3.8G, etc.). Aerobatics is not
something that I'm interested in anyway.
I can't help noticing that my old Cherokee 140 has a short fat wing with a
constant cord HS (OK, it's a stabilator) and flys pretty good.
I know that this is probably going to get me flamed, but my thought was that
the 9 emp would increase the pitch stability. I'm sure there is a down side to
this as well. The VS and the rudder are the same between the 9 and the 7
already. OK, the VS skin is a little thicker on the 7, but otherwise it is the
same. So, I really would only be changing the HS and elevators. Besides, the 7
is already a 9 fuse and rudder with 8 wings (more or less).
Anyone have any ideas on what effects this may have (good and bad)?
Bryon
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| Subject: | Re: New engine and prop... long... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
It looks like Bill simply took the average of the three ground
speeds. Many people do that, but it doesn't give the right answer,
unless there is no wind. The error is probably only a few mph, but
if you are evaluating the effect of a minor performance improvement,
then you need a method that has an error that is less than the amount
of the speed increase from the perf improvement.
Doug - I'm a big fan of your spreadsheet (which is available for
download from my web site). I'm curious - please educate us on how
to use it if the user has headings, and not tracks.
Doug's method of calculating TAS from GPS data has the stamp of
approval from the National Test Pilot School (although they made a
useful mod to do four data runs, to get redundant data so errors
would be noticed). I pointed them at it when I was on a refresher
course there a couple of years ago, and they incorporated it into
their set of standard performance methods.
Doug's spreadsheet:
http://members.rogers.com/khorton/rvlinks/doug_gray/TASCALC.ZIP
The NTPS version:
http://www.ntps.edu/Files/GPS%20PEC.XLS
My Flight Test Links section:
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/phplinks/index.php?PID=1
Kevin Horton
>--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
>
>Bill,
>
>What method are you using for this TAS calculation?
>
>If you happen to be using my spreadsheet then a small technical note.
>The GPS track and Groundspeed are input to the computation, not the Heading.
>
>If these are indeed headings all is not lost, I can tell you how to use
>the spread to accomodate this.
>
>Also, it is not necessary to be so precise about the heading you do fly.
>Just record the GPS GS and Track.
>
>Also, did you correct the TAS for Altitude and Temperature?
>
>Doug Gray
>
>> Altitude - MSL: 8000
>> OAT F: 59
>> Full Throttle RPM: 2700
>> Heading:120 - MPH GPS GS: 174
>> Heading:360 - MPH GPS GS: 196
>> Heading:240 - MPH GPS GS: 168
>>
> > MPH TAS from GPS Runs: 179.3
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9A emp on RV-7A |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
> Anyone have any ideas on what effects this may have (good and bad)?
I could go into a long discussion as to why I wouldn't do it; but, I'm going
to keep it short by saying that a deviation in the design that major is not
in the spirit of Van's way of doing things. I'd go with the -9A or the -7A
as designed, wings and emp.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317
EAA Technical Counselor
EAA Flight Advisor
do not archive
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| Subject: | RV-9A emp on RV-7A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Here's my opinion....
Sell the empennage kit, you won't have to take a loss - then buy the
emepennage you want. You'll have the right tail with the right plane.
It's not a easy as simply bolting on a different tail and making up your own
limitations. You are WAYYYYY oversimplifying something that is not that
simple. Tails on airplanes interact with the wings, flaps, CG's, etc.. in a
big way.
While your rational may sound safe, there is absolutely no empirical
evenidence to backup your reasoning. There are also other things to think
about as well. What will you insure it as - if you register it as a -7 but
have an entirely different tail, is it insurable in the case of an
incident/accident?? Will Van's give you a bill of sale for it, as a -7
or -9?? What will it do to the CG?? How about flight characteristics with
the flaps deployed/stowed?? Stall characterisitics?? Are you qualified or
do you want to test fly a completely new aircraft type/configuration??
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I would not undertake this endeavor
lightly. Tail kits are easy/quick to build, and you can almost always
re-coupe your investment, so I can't think of any possible reason why you
wouldn't just do it right. If you've already built 2 tail kits, the 3rd
should only take a week or two to whip out. If you like the way the -9
flies, then simply putting the -9 tail on the -7 won't make the -7 fly like
the -9. A large reason the -9 flies like it does is because of that
drastically different wing/flaps (as compared to the -7), not just the
hershy bar stab.
Anyway, don't take it as a flame....I just get worked up when I see people
taking things at a "40 mile high" view, when a closer look really makes your
decision for you.
I'm sure a quick call to Van's would echo the same thing, only probably
stronger.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BGCrook@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: RV-9A emp on RV-7A
--> RV-List message posted by: BGCrook@aol.com
I originally started building a 9A. I got through most of the emp kit when a
local builder convinced me that I would regret not building a 7 instead. So,
I
bought the 7 emp kit and started over. Now that I'm halfway through the
wings
I got a chance to fly in a 9A and I found that I liked it better. I should
have test flown both before buying.
Now, I know there is noway to make my 7A fly like the 9, but I was wondering
what effect it would have if I put my 9 emp on the 7? I know I would have to
stay within the limitations of the 9 (160 hp, 3.8G, etc.). Aerobatics is not
something that I'm interested in anyway.
I can't help noticing that my old Cherokee 140 has a short fat wing with a
constant cord HS (OK, it's a stabilator) and flys pretty good.
I know that this is probably going to get me flamed, but my thought was that
the 9 emp would increase the pitch stability. I'm sure there is a down side
to
this as well. The VS and the rudder are the same between the 9 and the 7
already. OK, the VS skin is a little thicker on the 7, but otherwise it is
the
same. So, I really would only be changing the HS and elevators. Besides, the
7
is already a 9 fuse and rudder with 8 wings (more or less).
Anyone have any ideas on what effects this may have (good and bad)?
Bryon
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description pts rule name
description
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net> pts
rule name description pts rule name
description
Scott & Listers,
I just checked out this tool on Summit's web site. It looks exactly like
the 45 degree flaring kits sold by many tool companies. I can't tell by the
photo, does the 2 piece yoke have concentric circles cut into the inner
diameter of the various holes to hold the tubing? Most of the 45 degree
automotive units have this. The purpose of these knurled circles is to help
keep the tubing (normally steel on cars) from slipping, during the flaring
operation. This knurling will cause rather nasty marks on our soft aluminum
tubing. (I suppose you could overcome that by adding a layer of tape to the
inside of this area)
Has anyone purchased one of these tools yet? If so, does it come with a
set of dies to allow you to perform double flaring??
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "sdellangelo@netzero.com"
><sdellangelo@netzero.com>
>
>
>I noticed in the new Summit Racing catalog that they now have a 37 degree
>one. The part number is SUM-900311 and it's $34.95. I believe they are
>free shipping too?
>
>Scott DellAngelo
>#90598 flaps, fuselage shipping 7/19
>Looking for an O-320
>
>
>Only $14.95/ month -visit www.netzero.com to sign up today!
>
>
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| Subject: | Antenna question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
Should the center female pin of the antenna connector have continuity with the
antenna whip? My base has continuity with the otter part of the connector but
the whip has continuity with nothing. I am having radio problems and trying
to determine if the antenna is the problem.
Jerry Calvert
RV6
N296RV
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna question |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Jerry Calvert wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
>
>Should the center female pin of the antenna connector have continuity with the
antenna whip?
>
yes
linn
> My base has continuity with the otter part of the connector but the whip has
continuity with nothing. I am having radio problems and trying to determine
if the antenna is the problem.
>
>Jerry Calvert
>RV6
>N296RV
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna question |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
Depends on exact type of antenna, but in general the answer is a resounding YES.
The only exception would be if the antenna was fed by a balun transformer with
separate windings (not an autotransformer type) or is it had a series capacitor
in the feedline as part of a matching network. For typical whip antennas
for comm use, this arrangement is almost unheard of, and the lack of continuity
on the center conductor indicates you have pinpointed the problem; something
is loose or parted.
This type of problem just cost me $250 "fixing" an un-broken transponder, because
a connection had broken in a feedline and I didn't bother to first drill an
access hole to test a hidden antenna for continuity as you have done.
-Bill B. RV-6A
not really an engineer, but I play one on the ham bands occasionally
do not archive
In a message dated 7/20/2004 8:53:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Jerry Calvert"
<rv6@cox.net> writes:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
>
>Should the center female pin of the antenna connector have continuity with the
antenna whip? My base has continuity with the otter part of the connector but
the whip has continuity with nothing. I am having radio problems and trying to
determine if the antenna is the problem.
>
>Jerry Calvert
>RV6
>N296RV
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Sounds like an open connection. Yes, the center pin must have continuity to
the whip or no antenna effectively.
John
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| Subject: | Info. on Washington RV accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Any of you Washington RV pilots know Earl Root? and what his condition is?
Jerry
do not archive
N-number Database Search Result
Check for printing
N-number : N901ER
Aircraft Serial Number : 1620
Aircraft Manufacturer : ROOT EARL S
===========================================================================
** Report created 7/20/2004 Record 1 **
********************************************************************************
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 901ER Make/Model: RV4 Description: RV-4
Date: 07/19/2004 Time: 1730
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown
LOCATION
City: BUCKLEY State: WA Country: US
DESCRIPTION
WITNESS REPORTED THAT ACFT DEPARTED FROM PRIVATE STRIP AND EXPERIENCED AN
ENGINE FAILURE. ACFT MADE A 180 DEGREE TURN, THEN CRASHED INTO A PASTURE.
PILOT TRANSPORTED TO HOSPITAL AND UNKNOWN DAMAGE TO ACFT. BUCKLEY, WA
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: NOT REPORTED
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: General Aviation
Departed: BUCKLEY, WA Dep Date: 07/19/2004 Dep. Time: 1730
Destination: PUYALLUP, WA Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: N
Last Radio Cont: NONE
Last Clearance: NONE
FAA FSDO: SEATTLE, WA (NM01) Entry date: 07/20/2004
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9A emp on RV-7A |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 07/20/2004 5:28:15 PM Central Standard Time,
sears@searnet.com writes:
I'd go with the -9A or the -7A
as designed, wings and emp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ditto - Mark & do not archive
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| Subject: | carrying pressurized cylinders |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
I have the option of flying my RV6 to go pick up a 30 lb. cylinder of freon since
it is not shippable by the sender due to hazmat policies. I'm quite sure
there is no danger in flying a cylinder to higher altitudes but just wanted to
see if anyone on the list could verify the safety factor here. Thanks,
Dave Ford
RV6
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| Subject: | Re: carrying pressurized cylinders |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Ammeter <jammeter@comcast.net>
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:03:06 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
>
>I have the option of flying my RV6 to go pick up a 30 lb. cylinder of freon since
it is not shippable by the sender due to hazmat policies. I'm quite sure
there is no danger in flying a cylinder to higher altitudes but just wanted to
see if anyone on the list could verify the safety factor here. Thanks,
>
>Dave Ford
>RV6
>
I'm not an engineer but you can consider this.... Since the
difference between sea level air pressure and the vacuum of
space is only about 15 PSI and I'm sure you'll not be
anywhere near that altitude, I doubt very much that a
relative increase in pressure of your freon cylinder of 3 to
5 psi will have any effect at all.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
The antenna is a bent whip commant comm antenna that Van sells. Thanks for
the detailed information. I will try a new antenna.
Jerry Calvert
RV6
N296JC
----- Original Message -----
From: <SportAV8R@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Antenna question
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> Depends on exact type of antenna, but in general the answer is a
resounding YES. The only exception would be if the antenna was fed by a
balun transformer with separate windings (not an autotransformer type) or is
it had a series capacitor in the feedline as part of a matching network.
For typical whip antennas for comm use, this arrangement is almost unheard
of, and the lack of continuity on the center conductor indicates you have
pinpointed the problem; something is loose or parted.
>
> This type of problem just cost me $250 "fixing" an un-broken transponder,
because a connection had broken in a feedline and I didn't bother to first
drill an access hole to test a hidden antenna for continuity as you have
done.
>
> -Bill B. RV-6A
> not really an engineer, but I play one on the ham bands occasionally
> do not archive
> In a message dated 7/20/2004 8:53:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Jerry
Calvert" <rv6@cox.net> writes:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
> >
> >Should the center female pin of the antenna connector have continuity
with the antenna whip? My base has continuity with the otter part of the
connector but the whip has continuity with nothing. I am having radio
problems and trying to determine if the antenna is the problem.
> >
> >Jerry Calvert
> >RV6
> >N296RV
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Sender Gasket |
--> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
After installing the Fuel sender today with rubber gasket I am wondering if I should
have used any additional sealing compound to prevent leaks. What have others
done with this and has leaking been a problem just using the gasket?
Mark Phipps, N242RP, Almost Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Info. on Washington RV accident |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris & Kellie Hand" <ckhand@earthlink.net>
I don't know him, but did see a very short news clip on the accident on a
Seattle news channel last night. As you all know, news reports are often
suspect, particularly early reports, but for what it's worth, they said the
pilot "walked away". Video they showed looked like the main gear collapsed,
the engine cowling was canted down slightly (could have just looked that way
because of being partially torn loose), and it looked to me like some
fuselage skin wrinkling below/aft of rear cockpit area. Not trying to
speculate what happened - that's just what was reported by the media.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Info. on Washington RV accident
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> Any of you Washington RV pilots know Earl Root? and what his condition is?
> Jerry
> do not archive
>
>
> N-number Database Search Result
>
> Check for printing
> N-number : N901ER
> Aircraft Serial Number : 1620
> Aircraft Manufacturer : ROOT EARL S
>
>
===========================================================================
>
> ** Report created 7/20/2004 Record 1
**
>
****************************************************************************
****
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 901ER Make/Model: RV4 Description: RV-4
> Date: 07/19/2004 Time: 1730
>
> Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
> Damage: Unknown
>
> LOCATION
> City: BUCKLEY State: WA Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> WITNESS REPORTED THAT ACFT DEPARTED FROM PRIVATE STRIP AND EXPERIENCED
AN
> ENGINE FAILURE. ACFT MADE A 180 DEGREE TURN, THEN CRASHED INTO A
PASTURE.
> PILOT TRANSPORTED TO HOSPITAL AND UNKNOWN DAMAGE TO ACFT. BUCKLEY, WA
>
> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
>
> WEATHER: NOT REPORTED
>
>
> OTHER DATA
> Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: General Aviation
>
> Departed: BUCKLEY, WA Dep Date: 07/19/2004 Dep. Time:
1730
> Destination: PUYALLUP, WA Flt Plan: NONE Wx
Briefing: N
> Last Radio Cont: NONE
> Last Clearance: NONE
>
> FAA FSDO: SEATTLE, WA (NM01) Entry date: 07/20/2004
>
>
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| Subject: | UV Smooth Prime (fiberglass - Ugh!) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
I am finishing up my wheel fairings. Having used polyfiber's UV smooth
Prime on my tail fairing (great stuff) I went to mix up a batch for the
wheel fairings. Well after sitting on the shelf in my hot arizona garage
for about a year and a half, the little bottle of hardener has turned
into a rubbery solid. Still looks the same, but shakes like Jello.
Does any one know if this stuff can be revitalized by adding in some
(presumably long-ago-evaporated) solvent? Or is it toast? For that
matter, is the smooth prime itself still usable or do I have to buy new?
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A, Landing gear
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| Subject: | Fuel Sender Gasket |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Mark,
We had some seepage on our 6 year old 6a. It had a rubber gasket
installed dry. After kinda squishing the gasket a little by
re-tightening and making the leak worse, we replaced the gasket and
gooped it with titeseal. On the 6 I'm building, I sealed with proseal
and no gasket. I don't think a dry gasket is a good long term bet.
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark phipps
Subject: RV-List: Fuel Sender Gasket
--> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
After installing the Fuel sender today with rubber gasket I am wondering
if I should have used any additional sealing compound to prevent leaks.
What have others done with this and has leaking been a problem just
using the gasket?
Mark Phipps, N242RP, Almost Flying
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| Subject: | Re: carrying pressurized cylinders |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Anglin <jlanglin44@earthlink.net>
Isn't an oxygen system powered by a pressurized cylinder (if "powered" is the right
term)?
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: John Ammeter <jammeter@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: carrying pressurized cylinders
--> RV-List message posted by: John Ammeter <jammeter@comcast.net>
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:03:06 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
>
>I have the option of flying my RV6 to go pick up a 30 lb. cylinder of freon since
it is not shippable by the sender due to hazmat policies. I'm quite sure
there is no danger in flying a cylinder to higher altitudes but just wanted to
see if anyone on the list could verify the safety factor here. Thanks,
>
>Dave Ford
>RV6
>
I'm not an engineer but you can consider this.... Since the
difference between sea level air pressure and the vacuum of
space is only about 15 PSI and I'm sure you'll not be
anywhere near that altitude, I doubt very much that a
relative increase in pressure of your freon cylinder of 3 to
5 psi will have any effect at all.
John
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| Subject: | Re: flaring tool |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Scott,
I have not seen the unit you describe but because of several past
experiences with other makes of the same type of tool that you describe I
would rather have the Parker 37 degree Rolo-Flair flaring tool that both
Avery tools and Cleaveland Tools offer in their Catalogs.
After a few practice runs with the suggested tool I was able to produce
perfect (well, as near as is possible);-) flares without the nasty
striations that a few other flaring tools I tried out insisted on making.
The extra cost per flair on my system was not really an issue to me and it
is out on loan to a fellow builder. The local FBO took one look at the
flares this unit produced and immediately ordered one for themselves.
Jim in Kelowna - the to-do list is getting quite short {[:-)!
----- Original Message -----
<chaztuna@adelphia.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net> pts
rule name description pts rule name
description
>
> Scott & Listers,
> I just checked out this tool on Summit's web site. It looks exactly like
> the 45 degree flaring kits sold by many tool companies. I can't tell by
the
> photo, does the 2 piece yoke have concentric circles cut into the inner
> diameter of the various holes to hold the tubing? Most of the 45 degree
> automotive units have this. The purpose of these knurled circles is to
help
> keep the tubing (normally steel on cars) from slipping, during the flaring
> operation. This knurling will cause rather nasty marks on our soft
aluminum
> tubing. (I suppose you could overcome that by adding a layer of tape to
the
> inside of this area)
> Has anyone purchased one of these tools yet? If so, does it come with a
> set of dies to allow you to perform double flaring??
> Charlie Kuss
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "sdellangelo@netzero.com"
> ><sdellangelo@netzero.com>
> >
> >
> >I noticed in the new Summit Racing catalog that they now have a 37 degree
> >one. The part number is SUM-900311 and it's $34.95. I believe they are
> >free shipping too?
> >
> >Scott DellAngelo
> >#90598 flaps, fuselage shipping 7/19
> >Looking for an O-320
> >
> >
> >Only $14.95/ month -visit www.netzero.com to sign up today!
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Flightline Interiors at OSH |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Abby from Flightline asked me to inquire: Any RVs with Flightline
interior kits which will be at Oshkosh?`` She will be there and plans
to meet with many customers/ prospective customers, but wanted a
heads-up on how many of her interiors will be there.
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
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| Subject: | Re: flaring tool |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Ditto that! Spend the money or borrow a good flaring tool and throw away the
clumsy clamp types that don't do as good of a job anyway....The parker tool
is top notch and "almost" idiot proof.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Jewell
Subject: RV-List: Re: flaring tool
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Scott,
I have not seen the unit you describe but because of several past
experiences with other makes of the same type of tool that you describe I
would rather have the Parker 37 degree Rolo-Flair flaring tool that both
Avery tools and Cleaveland Tools offer in their Catalogs.
After a few practice runs with the suggested tool I was able to produce
perfect (well, as near as is possible);-) flares without the nasty
striations that a few other flaring tools I tried out insisted on making.
The extra cost per flair on my system was not really an issue to me and it
is out on loan to a fellow builder. The local FBO took one look at the
flares this unit produced and immediately ordered one for themselves.
Jim in Kelowna - the to-do list is getting quite short {[:-)!
----- Original Message -----
<chaztuna@adelphia.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net> pts
rule name description pts rule name
description
>
> Scott & Listers,
> I just checked out this tool on Summit's web site. It looks exactly like
> the 45 degree flaring kits sold by many tool companies. I can't tell by
the
> photo, does the 2 piece yoke have concentric circles cut into the inner
> diameter of the various holes to hold the tubing? Most of the 45 degree
> automotive units have this. The purpose of these knurled circles is to
help
> keep the tubing (normally steel on cars) from slipping, during the flaring
> operation. This knurling will cause rather nasty marks on our soft
aluminum
> tubing. (I suppose you could overcome that by adding a layer of tape to
the
> inside of this area)
> Has anyone purchased one of these tools yet? If so, does it come with a
> set of dies to allow you to perform double flaring??
> Charlie Kuss
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "sdellangelo@netzero.com"
> ><sdellangelo@netzero.com>
> >
> >
> >I noticed in the new Summit Racing catalog that they now have a 37 degree
> >one. The part number is SUM-900311 and it's $34.95. I believe they are
> >free shipping too?
> >
> >Scott DellAngelo
> >#90598 flaps, fuselage shipping 7/19
> >Looking for an O-320
> >
> >
> >Only $14.95/ month -visit www.netzero.com to sign up today!
> >
> >
>
>
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