---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/27/04: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:58 AM - Fuse Blocks on a slider. (Dana Overall) 2. 04:05 AM - RV9A wing tip pictures (Danny Lawhon) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Fuse Blocks on a slider. (Ralph E. Capen) 4. 06:27 AM - Blast tubes - Necessary or not? (RV_8 Pilot) 5. 07:50 AM - Re: Pledge? (steve blackwell) 6. 08:36 AM - Re: Cylinder Head temps (Matt Jurotich) 7. 09:45 AM - Re: Pledge? (Larry Bowen) 8. 10:17 AM - First flight (PGLong@aol.com) 9. 10:33 AM - Re: Pledge? (Scott Vanartsdalen) 10. 11:00 AM - Re: Pledge? (George P. Tyler) 11. 01:07 PM - Re: Pledge? (Brian Denk) 12. 01:09 PM - Re: CHT temperatures (John Furey) 13. 04:23 PM - Hooker Harness Seat Belts (Tommy Walker) 14. 05:27 PM - Painting the Dynon pitot tube (Leland) 15. 05:28 PM - Re: CHT tempatures (Kyle Boatright) 16. 07:01 PM - RV-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 07/26/04 (YonderRDC@aol.com) 17. 08:26 PM - Re: First flight (Charles Rowbotham) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:27 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Fuse Blocks on a slider. --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Does anyone know a good website showing picture locations for a battery, main and essential set of blocks for a 6 or 7 slider? Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:37 AM PST US From: Danny Lawhon Subject: RV-List: RV9A wing tip pictures --> RV-List message posted by: Danny Lawhon Trying to figure out how the wing tips get connected using 913 & 914 brackets anyone have picture of when they were doing that , I am building the landing lights (wing tip type) and running wire ect.. wanted to get a heads up before I mess something up.. its a RV9 Danny RV9A WINGS __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:21 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuse Blocks on a slider. --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" I don't have a website - but I do have photos of my install that might help. Zap me direct. Ralph RV6AQB slider -----Original Message----- From: Dana Overall Subject: RV-List: Fuse Blocks on a slider. --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Does anyone know a good website showing picture locations for a battery, main and essential set of blocks for a 6 or 7 slider? Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:24 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: RV-List: Blast tubes - Necessary or not? 0.2 FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS From: contains an underline and numbers/letters --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" The answer is not black and white. Increased heat kills (reduces the life of) electronics and mechanisms. The closer you are to warm lattitudes, the more you'll need this - generally speaking. The only one I'd question would be the gascolator. When I've seen pressure problems in the fuel system due to heat, it's been on the ground on a hot day with a hot engine and little airflow through the cowl. Blast tube wouldn't help much in this case, IMO. I have a tube on the alt. Had one previously on the mags when I had Bendix - need to reinstall one on my new Slicks. Nothing on the fuel components. >1) Alternator > >2) Mag > >3) Gascolator > >How necessary are any of these? Bryan Jones -8 640 hrs www.LoneStarSquadron.com Houston, Texas ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:42 AM PST US From: "steve blackwell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? --> RV-List message posted by: "steve blackwell" (blue shop towels - not paper towels) After much testing over the years - I use blue shop towels. They don't use a cellulose binder but rather a latex binder and have never scratched my aircraft or sunglasses. We buy them in a pack of 12 rolls at CostCo. I also started with pledge but long ago switched to plexus. It will somehow clean and polish better that anything else I have tried. >From: linn walters >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:56:36 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > >David Burton wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" > > > >Is there anything you like using other then paper towels to clean your > >canopy? > > >Never, ever, use paper towels to clean your windshield! It's a tree!!! >Baby diapers work very well ..... use 'em and wash 'em. Any soft cloth >will be OK for your windshield. >Linn > > > I'd like to find something less likely to scratch and disposable so > >I can pitch it after one use... > > >Well, the baby diapers aren't really disposable ..... but if it's >disposable, it's probably rougher than a cob. > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "linn walters" > >To: > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? > > > > > > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > >> > >>JusCash@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com > >>> > >>>Maybe an "old wives tale," I was told years ago not to use the lemon > >>> > >>> > >version > > > > > >>>because of some reaction with the plastic. Have been using the regular > >>> > >>> > >for 20 > > > > > >>>years with no problem. > >>> > >>>Cash Copeland > >>>RV-6 150hrs and counting > >>>Hayward, Ca > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>You don't want to use anything with ammonia in it. Like Windex etc. > >>Haven't heard anything against the 'lemon' .... which may nt be real > >>anyway!!! > >>Linn > >> > >> > >> > >>>In a message dated 6/28/2004 6:38:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >>>Larry@bowenaero.com writes: > >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > >>> > >>>Is lemon pledge still the favorite cleaner for the canopy? > >>> > >>>- > >>>Larry Bowen > >>>Larry@BowenAero.com > >>>http://BowenAero.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:33 AM PST US From: Matt Jurotich Subject: RV-List: Re: Cylinder Head temps --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich Do an archive search on casting flash. Read the first hit carefully, then examine your cylinders for casting flash. You might be surprised to find your baffling is fine and your cylinders need work. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:14 AM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Pledge? --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading edges, etc.... - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: steve blackwell [mailto:n10557@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:50 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "steve blackwell" > > (blue shop towels - not paper towels) > > After much testing over the years - I use blue shop towels. > They don't use a cellulose binder but rather a latex binder > and have never scratched my aircraft or sunglasses. We buy > them in a pack of 12 rolls at CostCo. I also started with > pledge but long ago switched to plexus. It will somehow clean > and polish better that anything else I have tried. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:30 AM PST US From: PGLong@aol.com Subject: RV-List: First flight --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com Hi Group Well, This is your official notification of my news today. My RV4, Kit #656, N120PL took it's first flight and all things worked well. As near as I could tell anyway. Talk about half scared and half nervous. Glad the first flight is over and we got it up and down successfully. It was just a 20 minute ride and I stayed over the airport (3CM) in case the engine quite or something went wrong. Can't wait to do it again and check more of the systems out. Enjoyed flying with Mike Seager in Three Rivers, Michigan last week and am sure glad I waited to get his transition training! Thanks to Van's for building awesome kits! And to all the folks that answered my questions along the way. Would have been tough without all the knowledge that these RV group members have helped me with. Thanks again! Pat Long _PGLong@aol.com_ (mailto:PGLong@aol.com) N120PL RV-4 Bay City, Michigan 3CM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:06 AM PST US From: Scott Vanartsdalen Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen I always use old bathroom towels. And sometimes some not so old bathroom towels. Nice and soft on the canopy. steve blackwell wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "steve blackwell" (blue shop towels - not paper towels) After much testing over the years - I use blue shop towels. They don't use a cellulose binder but rather a latex binder and have never scratched my aircraft or sunglasses. We buy them in a pack of 12 rolls at CostCo. I also started with pledge but long ago switched to plexus. It will somehow clean and polish better that anything else I have tried. >From: linn walters >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:56:36 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > >David Burton wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" > > > >Is there anything you like using other then paper towels to clean your > >canopy? > > >Never, ever, use paper towels to clean your windshield! It's a tree!!! >Baby diapers work very well ..... use 'em and wash 'em. Any soft cloth >will be OK for your windshield. >Linn > > > I'd like to find something less likely to scratch and disposable so > >I can pitch it after one use... > > >Well, the baby diapers aren't really disposable ..... but if it's >disposable, it's probably rougher than a cob. > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "linn walters" > >To: > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? > > > > > > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > >> > >>JusCash@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com > >>> > >>>Maybe an "old wives tale," I was told years ago not to use the lemon > >>> > >>> > >version > > > > > >>>because of some reaction with the plastic. Have been using the regular > >>> > >>> > >for 20 > > > > > >>>years with no problem. > >>> > >>>Cash Copeland > >>>RV-6 150hrs and counting > >>>Hayward, Ca > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>You don't want to use anything with ammonia in it. Like Windex etc. > >>Haven't heard anything against the 'lemon' .... which may nt be real > >>anyway!!! > >>Linn > >> > >> > >> > >>>In a message dated 6/28/2004 6:38:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >>>Larry@bowenaero.com writes: > >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > >>> > >>>Is lemon pledge still the favorite cleaner for the canopy? > >>> > >>>- > >>>Larry Bowen > >>>Larry@BowenAero.com > >>>http://BowenAero.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! When a man does all he can though it succeeds not well, blame not him that did it." -- George Washington ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:01 AM PST US From: "George P. Tyler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? --> RV-List message posted by: "George P. Tyler" Since I don't have water available at my hangar, my plane has never been cleaned with anything other than Fantastic, I buy it in a concentrated form. It seems to work great for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Pledge? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading > edges, etc.... > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: steve blackwell [mailto:n10557@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:50 AM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "steve blackwell" > > > > (blue shop towels - not paper towels) > > > > After much testing over the years - I use blue shop towels. > > They don't use a cellulose binder but rather a latex binder > > and have never scratched my aircraft or sunglasses. We buy > > them in a pack of 12 rolls at CostCo. I also started with > > pledge but long ago switched to plexus. It will somehow clean > > and polish better that anything else I have tried. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:01 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RE: RV-List: Pledge? --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > >What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading >edges, etc.... > >- >Larry Bowen >Larry@BowenAero.com MORE PLEDGE! I must have the freshest smelling RV in the state. I use Simple Green on the belly to get rid of the breather hose splooge. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 tailcone http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:12 PM PST US From: "John Furey" Subject: RE: RV-List: CHT temperatures --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" My O-320 has similar issues. #3 hits 450 in climb, 390 in cruise. I cleaned the flashing around the cylinders(can only reach one side of each cyl without taking off the baffels) and have not had the chance to determine precisely what effect it had but it looks like about 10~15 degree drop. I'll report as soon as I can verify. John Furey RV6A O-320 Ohio ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:07 PM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: RV-List: Hooker Harness Seat Belts Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:23:34 -0500 --> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" From time to time, on this list as well as others, Hooker has received bad press about long delays for seat belt orders. My "first flight" being a few months away, I decided to go ahead and order my belts from Hooker so I would have them in "due time". Long story short, I ordered them on 7/23 and to my surprise they were delivered today! They are truly a work of art. Hooker did a great job on them and with the 4 day service, I don't think they can be beat! Just wanted to pass this along to those of you needing seat belts. "Give Hooker a Look"! Tommy Walker Ridgetop, TN 6A, Finishing ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:24 PM PST US From: Leland Subject: RV-List: Painting the Dynon pitot tube --> RV-List message posted by: Leland I would like to paint or anodize (or at least Alodyne) an unheated Dynon pitot tube but am a little afraid to take it apart. There is a hex-head screw on the bottom and the nose looks like it might screw off, but portions seems to be potted with RTV. Can anyone on this list tell me how they finished their probe? Leland in Pleasanton, California gettin' close to the end with an RV9AQB ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:36 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: CHT tempatures --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Sneed" Subject: RV-List: CHT tempatures > --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed > > I am in North West florida and lately we have had hot 87-94 degree very > humid days. I have noticed that if I do a hot start and take off from > an airport with an OAT of 86 degrees or more I am seeing in the climb > the following data: > > climb (hot 85 degree day) Climb only went to 2,500 > RF 380-395 > LF 395-405 > RB 405-445 > LB 365-380 > > cruise (6000 feet 72-75 OAT) > RF 400 > LF 410 > RB 425 > LB 370 > > I checked the probes, they are very accurate. > > At about 2000 feet I start seeing 445 on the EIS at this point I level > off and fly for a while to cool the engine (I climb at 140 mph). This > is very aggregating because ATC does not like to see me stop climbing, > I am sweating my but off and my passenger is pale white watching the > birds and television towers go by. I understand that with a 90 degree > OAT it is hard to cool an engine but are these numbers correct? Is this > normal? My oil cooler is behind #4 and oil temps never bust 225 they > are around 195 in cruise. I have experimented with opening the baffling > sealing the cowl seal ect... The only thing I have not done is make the > air exit hole bigger in the bottom of the cowl. I think redline is 475 > I wonder if it is better to just climb until I hit 475 and level off. I > am also not leaning on these hot days which I think is bad for carbon > buildup and bad on my wallet. Any help would be great. > > Has anyone noticed a big difference enlarging the air exit hole at the > bottom of the cowl where the exhaust exits the bottom cowl? > > RV-6 > o-360 with airflow performance fuel injection > 9.1 pistons > > > Thanks again, > Jason > Your post brings to mind many questions: 1) What is your cruise power setting? You didn't give it. 2) Is the mixture set correctly? You should see a 25-50 rpm increase initially as you pull the mixture from full rich to lean while the aircraft idles. Otherwise, the mixture is too lean. 3) Have you checked the timing on the engine? 4) Is the CHT gauge accurate? The senders can be good, but the gauge could be the problem. 5) How many hours on the engine? I'd worry about the overall high temps first, then use a cylinder blocker on the #1 (right front) cylinder head to balance out the temperatures once you get the overall problem solved. My guess is that there is something unique about your installation that is causing your CHT problem. KB ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:08 PM PST US From: YonderRDC@aol.com Subject: RV-List: RV-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 07/26/04 --> RV-List message posted by: YonderRDC@aol.com I will pick up my -8 kit in AUG from Vans, and wondered if JT(?) would give me a call or E-mail to discuss builders risk insurance for the kit while building and perhapps also for the trip home from Vans on a trailer....JT???? or if anyone has a better idea???? David @......Yonderrdc@aol.com or cell is 252-350-2798. H is 360-825-6995 Thanks all......David ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:06 PM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: First flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Pat, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: PGLong@aol.com >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: Rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: First flight >Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:16:59 EDT > >--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com > > >Hi Group > >Well, This is your official notification of my news today. My RV4, Kit >#656, >N120PL took it's first flight and all things worked well. As near as I >could >tell anyway. Talk about half scared and half nervous. Glad the first >flight >is over and we got it up and down successfully. It was just a 20 minute >ride >and I stayed over the airport (3CM) in case the engine quite or something >went wrong. Can't wait to do it again and check more of the systems out. >Enjoyed >flying with Mike Seager in Three Rivers, Michigan last week and am sure >glad >I waited to get his transition training! Thanks to Van's for building >awesome kits! And to all the folks that answered my questions along the >way. >Would have been tough without all the knowledge that these RV group >members have >helped me with. Thanks again! > > >Pat Long >_PGLong@aol.com_ (mailto:PGLong@aol.com) >N120PL >RV-4 >Bay City, Michigan >3CM > > download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/