---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/28/04: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:17 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/27/04 (GreenoL) 2. 05:34 AM - Re: First flight (richard dudley) 3. 07:00 AM - Update on the left stick, right stick question. (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 4. 07:07 AM - RV-List Removing swirls @ micro scratches from canopy (Philip Condon) 5. 07:30 AM - Re: Pledge? (RV_8 Pilot) 6. 07:38 AM - Delivery of your Quickbuild Kit? (Mike Nellis) 7. 07:51 AM - Re: Delivery of your Quickbuild Kit? (Doug Brinlee) 8. 07:58 AM - experimental aircraft presentation (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 9. 08:24 AM - osk kosh product update (lucky macy) 10. 08:38 AM - Re: Pledge? (David E. Nelson) 11. 09:17 AM - Builders risk insurance (YonderRDC@aol.com) 12. 09:35 AM - Re: [SPAM] osk kosh product update (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 13. 11:29 AM - Canopy crack repair question (HCRV6@aol.com) 14. 11:38 AM - Re: Canopy crack repair question (JusCash@aol.com) 15. 06:49 PM - Re: osk kosh product update (Eustace Bowhay) 16. 09:18 PM - RV -7 kit wanted (Doug Brinlee) 17. 10:33 PM - Re: RV -7 kit wanted (Laird Owens) 18. 10:58 PM - Re: Canopy crack repair question (linn walters) 19. 11:46 PM - Re: Canopy crack repair question (Mickey Coggins) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:19 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: RE: RV-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/27/04 From: "GreenoL" --> RV-List message posted by: "GreenoL" Re: CHT's - Opening bottom cowl Jason; I built and fly an RV-6A with an O-320 160hp; 140 plus hrs. on it. CHT and oil temp have always been high on hot, humid days (CHT 200-240 Celcius; OT 200-210 Celcius). Only recently I opened up the bottom of the cowl where all the nosewheel gear tubing exits. This was done on the recommendation of a fellow RV-6A pilot who had done similarly with his 6A with very positive results. Upon next flight I immediately observed an approximate 15-20 degree Cecius drop in OT, and Similar results in CHT. My 6A has a single CHT probe, currently located on #3, but fixtures allow moving the probe to each cylinder, which I've yet to do. All this is preliminary, but I am convinced that more opening was needed at the exit and the initial results are very encouraging. RV-6A N446A EAA Chapter 44 Rochester, NY -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV-List Digest Server Subject: RV-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/27/04 * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete RV-List Digest can be also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list/Digest.RV-List.2004-07-27.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list/Digest.RV-List.2004-07-27.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/27/04: 17 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:58 AM - Fuse Blocks on a slider. (Dana Overall) 2. 04:05 AM - RV9A wing tip pictures (Danny Lawhon) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Fuse Blocks on a slider. (Ralph E. Capen) 4. 06:27 AM - Blast tubes - Necessary or not? (RV_8 Pilot) 5. 07:50 AM - Re: Pledge? (steve blackwell) 6. 08:36 AM - Re: Cylinder Head temps (Matt Jurotich) 7. 09:45 AM - Re: Pledge? (Larry Bowen) 8. 10:17 AM - First flight (PGLong@aol.com) 9. 10:33 AM - Re: Pledge? (Scott Vanartsdalen) 10. 11:00 AM - Re: Pledge? (George P. Tyler) 11. 01:07 PM - Re: Pledge? (Brian Denk) 12. 01:09 PM - Re: CHT temperatures (John Furey) 13. 04:23 PM - Hooker Harness Seat Belts (Tommy Walker) 14. 05:27 PM - Painting the Dynon pitot tube (Leland) 15. 05:28 PM - Re: CHT tempatures (Kyle Boatright) 16. 07:01 PM - RV-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 07/26/04 (YonderRDC@aol.com) 17. 08:26 PM - Re: First flight (Charles Rowbotham) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:27 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Fuse Blocks on a slider. --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Does anyone know a good website showing picture locations for a battery, main and essential set of blocks for a 6 or 7 slider? Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:37 AM PST US From: Danny Lawhon Subject: RV-List: RV9A wing tip pictures --> RV-List message posted by: Danny Lawhon Trying to figure out how the wing tips get connected using 913 & 914 brackets anyone have picture of when they were doing that , I am building the landing lights (wing tip type) and running wire ect.. wanted to get a heads up before I mess something up.. its a RV9 Danny RV9A WINGS __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:21 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuse Blocks on a slider. --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" I don't have a website - but I do have photos of my install that might help. Zap me direct. Ralph RV6AQB slider -----Original Message----- From: Dana Overall Subject: RV-List: Fuse Blocks on a slider. --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Does anyone know a good website showing picture locations for a battery, main and essential set of blocks for a 6 or 7 slider? Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:24 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: RV-List: Blast tubes - Necessary or not? 0.2 FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS From: contains an underline and numbers/letters --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" The answer is not black and white. Increased heat kills (reduces the life of) electronics and mechanisms. The closer you are to warm lattitudes, the more you'll need this - generally speaking. The only one I'd question would be the gascolator. When I've seen pressure problems in the fuel system due to heat, it's been on the ground on a hot day with a hot engine and little airflow through the cowl. Blast tube wouldn't help much in this case, IMO. I have a tube on the alt. Had one previously on the mags when I had Bendix - need to reinstall one on my new Slicks. Nothing on the fuel components. >1) Alternator > >2) Mag > >3) Gascolator > >How necessary are any of these? Bryan Jones -8 640 hrs www.LoneStarSquadron.com Houston, Texas ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:42 AM PST US From: "steve blackwell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? --> RV-List message posted by: "steve blackwell" (blue shop towels - not paper towels) After much testing over the years - I use blue shop towels. They don't use a cellulose binder but rather a latex binder and have never scratched my aircraft or sunglasses. We buy them in a pack of 12 rolls at CostCo. I also started with pledge but long ago switched to plexus. It will somehow clean and polish better that anything else I have tried. >From: linn walters >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:56:36 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > >David Burton wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" > > > >Is there anything you like using other then paper towels to clean your > >canopy? > > >Never, ever, use paper towels to clean your windshield! It's a tree!!! >Baby diapers work very well ..... use 'em and wash 'em. Any soft cloth >will be OK for your windshield. >Linn > > > I'd like to find something less likely to scratch and disposable so > >I can pitch it after one use... > > >Well, the baby diapers aren't really disposable ..... but if it's >disposable, it's probably rougher than a cob. > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "linn walters" > >To: > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? > > > > > > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > >> > >>JusCash@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com > >>> > >>>Maybe an "old wives tale," I was told years ago not to use the lemon > >>> > >>> > >version > > > > > >>>because of some reaction with the plastic. Have been using the regular > >>> > >>> > >for 20 > > > > > >>>years with no problem. > >>> > >>>Cash Copeland > >>>RV-6 150hrs and counting > >>>Hayward, Ca > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>You don't want to use anything with ammonia in it. Like Windex etc. > >>Haven't heard anything against the 'lemon' .... which may nt be real > >>anyway!!! > >>Linn > >> > >> > >> > >>>In a message dated 6/28/2004 6:38:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >>>Larry@bowenaero.com writes: > >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > >>> > >>>Is lemon pledge still the favorite cleaner for the canopy? > >>> > >>>- > >>>Larry Bowen > >>>Larry@BowenAero.com > >>>http://BowenAero.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:33 AM PST US From: Matt Jurotich Subject: RV-List: Re: Cylinder Head temps --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich Do an archive search on casting flash. Read the first hit carefully, then examine your cylinders for casting flash. You might be surprised to find your baffling is fine and your cylinders need work. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:14 AM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Pledge? --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading edges, etc.... - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: steve blackwell [mailto:n10557@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:50 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "steve blackwell" > > (blue shop towels - not paper towels) > > After much testing over the years - I use blue shop towels. > They don't use a cellulose binder but rather a latex binder > and have never scratched my aircraft or sunglasses. We buy > them in a pack of 12 rolls at CostCo. I also started with > pledge but long ago switched to plexus. It will somehow clean > and polish better that anything else I have tried. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:30 AM PST US From: PGLong@aol.com Subject: RV-List: First flight --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com Hi Group Well, This is your official notification of my news today. My RV4, Kit #656, N120PL took it's first flight and all things worked well. As near as I could tell anyway. Talk about half scared and half nervous. Glad the first flight is over and we got it up and down successfully. It was just a 20 minute ride and I stayed over the airport (3CM) in case the engine quite or something went wrong. Can't wait to do it again and check more of the systems out. Enjoyed flying with Mike Seager in Three Rivers, Michigan last week and am sure glad I waited to get his transition training! Thanks to Van's for building awesome kits! And to all the folks that answered my questions along the way. Would have been tough without all the knowledge that these RV group members have helped me with. Thanks again! Pat Long _PGLong@aol.com_ (mailto:PGLong@aol.com) N120PL RV-4 Bay City, Michigan 3CM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:06 AM PST US From: Scott Vanartsdalen Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen I always use old bathroom towels. And sometimes some not so old bathroom towels. Nice and soft on the canopy. steve blackwell wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "steve blackwell" (blue shop towels - not paper towels) After much testing over the years - I use blue shop towels. They don't use a cellulose binder but rather a latex binder and have never scratched my aircraft or sunglasses. We buy them in a pack of 12 rolls at CostCo. I also started with pledge but long ago switched to plexus. It will somehow clean and polish better that anything else I have tried. >From: linn walters >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:56:36 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > >David Burton wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" > > > >Is there anything you like using other then paper towels to clean your > >canopy? > > >Never, ever, use paper towels to clean your windshield! It's a tree!!! >Baby diapers work very well ..... use 'em and wash 'em. Any soft cloth >will be OK for your windshield. >Linn > > > I'd like to find something less likely to scratch and disposable so > >I can pitch it after one use... > > >Well, the baby diapers aren't really disposable ..... but if it's >disposable, it's probably rougher than a cob. > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "linn walters" > >To: > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? > > > > > > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > >> > >>JusCash@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com > >>> > >>>Maybe an "old wives tale," I was told years ago not to use the lemon > >>> > >>> > >version > > > > > >>>because of some reaction with the plastic. Have been using the regular > >>> > >>> > >for 20 > > > > > >>>years with no problem. > >>> > >>>Cash Copeland > >>>RV-6 150hrs and counting > >>>Hayward, Ca > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>You don't want to use anything with ammonia in it. Like Windex etc. > >>Haven't heard anything against the 'lemon' .... which may nt be real > >>anyway!!! > >>Linn > >> > >> > >> > >>>In a message dated 6/28/2004 6:38:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >>>Larry@bowenaero.com writes: > >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > >>> > >>>Is lemon pledge still the favorite cleaner for the canopy? > >>> > >>>- > >>>Larry Bowen > >>>Larry@BowenAero.com > >>>http://BowenAero.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! When a man does all he can though it succeeds not well, blame not him that did it." -- George Washington ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:01 AM PST US From: "George P. Tyler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? --> RV-List message posted by: "George P. Tyler" Since I don't have water available at my hangar, my plane has never been cleaned with anything other than Fantastic, I buy it in a concentrated form. It seems to work great for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Pledge? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading > edges, etc.... > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: steve blackwell [mailto:n10557@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:50 AM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge? > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "steve blackwell" > > > > (blue shop towels - not paper towels) > > > > After much testing over the years - I use blue shop towels. > > They don't use a cellulose binder but rather a latex binder > > and have never scratched my aircraft or sunglasses. We buy > > them in a pack of 12 rolls at CostCo. I also started with > > pledge but long ago switched to plexus. It will somehow clean > > and polish better that anything else I have tried. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:01 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RE: RV-List: Pledge? --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > >What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading >edges, etc.... > >- >Larry Bowen >Larry@BowenAero.com MORE PLEDGE! I must have the freshest smelling RV in the state. I use Simple Green on the belly to get rid of the breather hose splooge. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 tailcone http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:12 PM PST US From: "John Furey" Subject: RE: RV-List: CHT temperatures --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" My O-320 has similar issues. #3 hits 450 in climb, 390 in cruise. I cleaned the flashing around the cylinders(can only reach one side of each cyl without taking off the baffels) and have not had the chance to determine precisely what effect it had but it looks like about 10~15 degree drop. I'll report as soon as I can verify. John Furey RV6A O-320 Ohio ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:07 PM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: RV-List: Hooker Harness Seat Belts Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:23:34 -0500 --> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" From time to time, on this list as well as others, Hooker has received bad press about long delays for seat belt orders. My "first flight" being a few months away, I decided to go ahead and order my belts from Hooker so I would have them in "due time". Long story short, I ordered them on 7/23 and to my surprise they were delivered today! They are truly a work of art. Hooker did a great job on them and with the 4 day service, I don't think they can be beat! Just wanted to pass this along to those of you needing seat belts. "Give Hooker a Look"! Tommy Walker Ridgetop, TN 6A, Finishing ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:24 PM PST US From: Leland Subject: RV-List: Painting the Dynon pitot tube --> RV-List message posted by: Leland I would like to paint or anodize (or at least Alodyne) an unheated Dynon pitot tube but am a little afraid to take it apart. There is a hex-head screw on the bottom and the nose looks like it might screw off, but portions seems to be potted with RTV. Can anyone on this list tell me how they finished their probe? Leland in Pleasanton, California gettin' close to the end with an RV9AQB ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:36 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: CHT tempatures --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Sneed" Subject: RV-List: CHT tempatures > --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed > > I am in North West florida and lately we have had hot 87-94 degree very > humid days. I have noticed that if I do a hot start and take off from > an airport with an OAT of 86 degrees or more I am seeing in the climb > the following data: > > climb (hot 85 degree day) Climb only went to 2,500 > RF 380-395 > LF 395-405 > RB 405-445 > LB 365-380 > > cruise (6000 feet 72-75 OAT) > RF 400 > LF 410 > RB 425 > LB 370 > > I checked the probes, they are very accurate. > > At about 2000 feet I start seeing 445 on the EIS at this point I level > off and fly for a while to cool the engine (I climb at 140 mph). This > is very aggregating because ATC does not like to see me stop climbing, > I am sweating my but off and my passenger is pale white watching the > birds and television towers go by. I understand that with a 90 degree > OAT it is hard to cool an engine but are these numbers correct? Is this > normal? My oil cooler is behind #4 and oil temps never bust 225 they > are around 195 in cruise. I have experimented with opening the baffling > sealing the cowl seal ect... The only thing I have not done is make the > air exit hole bigger in the bottom of the cowl. I think redline is 475 > I wonder if it is better to just climb until I hit 475 and level off. I > am also not leaning on these hot days which I think is bad for carbon > buildup and bad on my wallet. Any help would be great. > > Has anyone noticed a big difference enlarging the air exit hole at the > bottom of the cowl where the exhaust exits the bottom cowl? > > RV-6 > o-360 with airflow performance fuel injection > 9.1 pistons > > > Thanks again, > Jason > Your post brings to mind many questions: 1) What is your cruise power setting? You didn't give it. 2) Is the mixture set correctly? You should see a 25-50 rpm increase initially as you pull the mixture from full rich to lean while the aircraft idles. Otherwise, the mixture is too lean. 3) Have you checked the timing on the engine? 4) Is the CHT gauge accurate? The senders can be good, but the gauge could be the problem. 5) How many hours on the engine? I'd worry about the overall high temps first, then use a cylinder blocker on the #1 (right front) cylinder head to balance out the temperatures once you get the overall problem solved. My guess is that there is something unique about your installation that is causing your CHT problem. KB ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:08 PM PST US From: YonderRDC@aol.com Subject: RV-List: RV-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 07/26/04 --> RV-List message posted by: YonderRDC@aol.com I will pick up my -8 kit in AUG from Vans, and wondered if JT(?) would give me a call or E-mail to discuss builders risk insurance for the kit while building and perhapps also for the trip home from Vans on a trailer....JT???? or if anyone has a better idea???? David @......Yonderrdc@aol.com or cell is 252-350-2798. H is 360-825-6995 Thanks all......David ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:06 PM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: First flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Pat, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: PGLong@aol.com >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: Rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: First flight >Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:16:59 EDT > >--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com > > >Hi Group > >Well, This is your official notification of my news today. My RV4, Kit >#656, >N120PL took it's first flight and all things worked well. As near as I >could >tell anyway. Talk about half scared and half nervous. Glad the first >flight >is over and we got it up and down successfully. It was just a 20 minute >ride >and I stayed over the airport (3CM) in case the engine quite or something >went wrong. Can't wait to do it again and check more of the systems out. >Enjoyed >flying with Mike Seager in Three Rivers, Michigan last week and am sure >glad >I waited to get his transition training! Thanks to Van's for building >awesome kits! And to all the folks that answered my questions along the >way. >Would have been tough without all the knowledge that these RV group >members have >helped me with. Thanks again! > > >Pat Long >_PGLong@aol.com_ (mailto:PGLong@aol.com) >N120PL >RV-4 >Bay City, Michigan >3CM > > download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ == == == == ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:07 AM PST US From: richard dudley Subject: Re: RV-List: First flight --> RV-List message posted by: richard dudley Congratulations, Pat!!!!!! PGLong@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com > > >Hi Group > >Well, This is your official notification of my news today. My RV4, Kit #656, >N120PL took it's first flight and all things worked well. As near as I could >tell anyway. Talk about half scared and half nervous. Glad the first flight >is over and we got it up and down successfully. It was just a 20 minute ride >and I stayed over the airport (3CM) in case the engine quite or something >went wrong. Can't wait to do it again and check more of the systems out. Enjoyed >flying with Mike Seager in Three Rivers, Michigan last week and am sure glad >I waited to get his transition training! Thanks to Van's for building >awesome kits! And to all the folks that answered my questions along the way. >Would have been tough without all the knowledge that these RV group members have >helped me with. Thanks again! > > >Pat Long >_PGLong@aol.com_ (mailto:PGLong@aol.com) >N120PL >RV-4 >Bay City, Michigan >3CM > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:28 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Update on the left stick, right stick question. From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" , , "Turbo Tom" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Just a recap, I have 1200hrs left seat in my 6, Im building a Super 8, I have 200 hours recent Aeronca Chief (left seat right throttle)I have never flown solo a right stick left throttle anything, and there was some discussion about this started by me on the rv-list as to why I would not just make my 8 a left stick right throttle Bird so I would not have to have any transition issues and so I would be able to write with my right hand and fly with my left. I write a lot, especially IFR and was concerned about these various issues. Update below... OK So I'm at the Macon City formation clinic last weekend July 04 and an RV-8 driver Glenn Miller, aka "Air Dog" and I are chatting about this and that and he out of the blue says "why don't you just take mine and see what you think? Ahhh, hmmmm, ahhh, don't you want to get in the back? Naa, he says, you don't want my fat a!@# in there, go see what you think. Mind you this plane is new to him (recent purchase), new period (low time), and an award winner. So I go strap in, get a 20 second brief on buttons and switches from Air Dog, fire up and launch his 200 pony c/s 8. I don't remember anything during this flight about ever thinking about the stick being in my right hand. I flew around, performed a couple of maneuvers I probably shouldn't have (this is an RV after all and I just could not help myself) and came in to land. 1st landing, choose 3 point as this is what I am used to in the Chief, made about 4 landing bounces and decided this was totally unacceptable and I must redeem myself, and hit the gas to try again. Landing #2 was more stable, only 2 bounces, acceptable, and decided to taxi in whilst I was still ahead. Later that night, he lets me try her all over again, only this time as #3 in a three ship so I can try this in formation with step son Wesley in the back. He is 14 and helps on the Super 8 and needed to get juiced about banging rivets too. Section TO, 3 ship vic, I'm #3 on the right side, departure roll and liftoff perfect, climb to altitude in route,, and lead(Speedy) gives me some slow turns in parade (close) formation. Im doing real well here. He hands me the cross under and I head for the left side of the formation. Now Im looking over the right side at lead and things don't feel too well here. My inputs were a little backwards and brain wiring to hands was shorted out. When I needed to nose down a touch, I added a touch of power. Brain wiring screwed up. ARGH!! This is crappy "Lead I need to get back on the right side!"... "Approved" and over I went. Ahhh, I could feel the wiring back. The Left side was like someone switched the brake and gas pedals in my car. It was not comfortable. So we flew around like this and I became really comfortable on the right side. Tight formation was quickly wiring brain to hands and I was really enjoying myself. Air was as smooth as a baby's bottom as we tooled around, buzzed the lake, & performed some pitchouts and rejoins. We RTB in for initial and I made a 10+ landing that was a complete ever so light squeaker on the mains with a tail up taxi to the turn off. I was stoked at my killer killer landing . I went to bed that night with a great smile on my face dreaming of doing all that with a 6 banger out front. Driving Air Doggs 8 was just the highlight of my trip. Many thanks to him for letting me drive this great machine and taste what Im headin for as my Super 8 comes together. Not too many guys will offer to let you launch off in their airplane. Thanks Dog. He saw some payback too as he got to join in for a 13 ship flight off a D model P-51 at the conclusion of our clinic. Sneak photo at www.mstewart.net/deletesoon/13ship.jpg Anyway.... here are some of my conclusions. 1. Yee Haa. The 8 is really fun. 2. In a tail dragger, Bad landings suck, good landings feel just great. 3. Tandem visibility rocks for flying, formation, and especially rejoins to the left. 4. Just flying around was no problem, right side formation great, left side needs more stick time and would also be fine. Brain was wired the other way and would take a bit of time to rewire. 5. Wheel landings sweet, 3 point junk with the heavy nose IO-360 c/s 8. 6. Super 8 gets right stick, left throttle even though I am still weary about how Im gonna deal with writing with my right hand. 7. I owe Air Dog a beer. Michael Stewart ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:26 AM PST US From: "Philip Condon" Subject: RV-List: RV-List Removing swirls @ micro scratches from canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" After months of playing around and experimenting with polishing out scratches in anything plastic or glass, I did my canopy his weekend and it looks fantastic and like new. I made up some polish wheels from some packing foam that was medium density(squishyness). Cut a rough circle about 2 to 3 inches in diameter and glued a 1/4 inch drill adapter to the center of the mini foam polisher with Gorilla Glue (fantastic stuff). I Used 3-M swirl remover/finishing paste, my battery Makita drill and a spritzer bottle of water and polished the canopy. 3 hours for the total job over 3 days (inside and outside of canopy) did the job. Use tape to mark scratches as you site them, the scratches disappear from sight if you don't mark them (opposite side of where you polish). Finish up with plexus and enjoy the results. Presta polish and McGuire's works great also. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:53 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: RE: RV-List: Pledge? --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" Pledge (Walgreens generic copy formula) on all painted surfaces for me - including the prop. Wipe with clean, soft terri-cloth rags. IMVHO, I'd watch the Fantastic anywhere near the Plexi. I don't know how much or even if that stuff would hurt the plastic, but seeing a windscreen craze cracked on a brand new Glassair is enough to make your stomach hurt. Not sure what damaged that windscreen - just wouldn't want it to happen to mine. 2 do not archive Bryan Jones -8 www.LoneStarSquadron.com Houston, Texas >What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading >edges, etc.... ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:16 AM PST US From: "Mike Nellis" Subject: RV-List: Delivery of your Quickbuild Kit? --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" I will be in Oregon next week and returning to Central Texas with an empty 16' flatbed trailer. If anyone west of the Mississippi would like me to deliver their kit(s) please let me know. I can pick your kit up at Vans and deliver it to your doorstep and help you unload it. The price is negotiable but I'm sure I can save you some money and help me out so I'm not hauling an empty trailer back to Texas. 512 563 1230 Mike Nellis RV-6 Fuselage N699BM 1947 Stinson 108-2 NC9666K http://bmnellis.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:12 AM PST US From: "Doug Brinlee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Delivery of your Quickbuild Kit? --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" Mike, I have an rv7 tail and wing I may purchase.....It is unbuilt by owner in the area. How much to bring back to Oklahoma city......on your way home. doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Nellis" Subject: RV-List: Delivery of your Quickbuild Kit? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" > > I will be in Oregon next week and returning to Central Texas with an empty > 16' flatbed trailer. If anyone west of the Mississippi would like me to > deliver their kit(s) please let me know. I can pick your kit up at Vans and > deliver it to your doorstep and help you unload it. > > The price is negotiable but I'm sure I can save you some money and help me > out so I'm not hauling an empty trailer back to Texas. > > 512 563 1230 > > > Mike Nellis > RV-6 Fuselage N699BM > 1947 Stinson 108-2 NC9666K > http://bmnellis.com > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:48 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: experimental aircraft presentation From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" A local CAP group has asked me to do a 45 minute presentation on experimental aircraft. Do any of you have some slides(Power Point) already on this? Would save me some build time. Please reply direct. Thanks, Michael Stewart Do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:00 AM PST US From: "lucky macy" Subject: RV-List: osk kosh product update --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" Dynon doesn't have an update on their web site so would someone mind asking them how their engine monitor is coming along and when they think it will be ready for sale? Any new avionics products being debut out there suitable for RVs? :-) thx, lucky do not archive Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:33 AM PST US From: "David E. Nelson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Pledge? --> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" Speaking of windscreens and chemicals: Beware of Rain-X (and similar products). Although I've successfully used it on my motorcycle windshield (I guess by luck), fellow riders did not fare as well. In one case, his screen just slowly became cloudy over a period of a couple of weeks after applying the Rain-X. I guess different plastics react differently. /\/elson Austin, TX RV-7A - Left wing leading edge On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, RV_8 Pilot wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" > > Pledge (Walgreens generic copy formula) on all painted surfaces for me - > including the prop. Wipe with clean, soft terri-cloth rags. > > IMVHO, I'd watch the Fantastic anywhere near the Plexi. I don't know how > much or even if that stuff would hurt the plastic, but seeing a windscreen > craze cracked on a brand new Glassair is enough to make your stomach hurt. > Not sure what damaged that windscreen - just wouldn't want it to happen to > mine. > > 2 > > do not archive > > Bryan Jones -8 > www.LoneStarSquadron.com > Houston, Texas > > >What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading > >edges, etc.... > > > > > > > -- ~~ ** ~~ If you didn't learn anything when you broke it the 1st ~~ ** ~~ time, then break it again. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:33 AM PST US From: YonderRDC@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Builders risk insurance --> RV-List message posted by: YonderRDC@aol.com Got my cell # wrong by one digit in my previous post. It's 253-350-2798....Sorry bout that.... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: [SPAM] RV-List: osk kosh product update From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" They told me directly December. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky macy Subject: [SPAM] RV-List: osk kosh product update --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" Dynon doesn't have an update on their web site so would someone mind asking them how their engine monitor is coming along and when they think it will be ready for sale? Any new avionics products being debut out there suitable for RVs? :-) thx, lucky do not archive Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com == == == == ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:05 AM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Canopy crack repair question --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com Help. Sometime back someone on the list reported on the use of a chemical that, as I recall, they obtained from a drug store and used to seal a canopy crack. I don't remember that it was the stuff called Weldon form ACS. I can't find it in the archives and I have a small crack that I need stop drill, fill and hopefully weld with that stuff, whatever it is. Thanks. Do not archive Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, final assembly ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:43 AM PST US From: JusCash@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy crack repair question --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com I used a product from TAP Plastic's in San Leandro, Ca. Can't recall the name, but I'm sure the people there can help you. I actually glued the broken aft edge of the canopy back on after dropping it onto the rollbar. Also repaired a crack. After 170hrs repairs are holding up OK. Cash Copeland RV6 Tip-Up Hayward, Ca In a message dated 7/28/2004 11:30:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, HCRV6@aol.com writes: --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com Help. Sometime back someone on the list reported on the use of a chemical that, as I recall, they obtained from a drug store and used to seal a canopy crack. I don't remember that it was the stuff called Weldon form ACS. I can't find it in the archives and I have a small crack that I need stop drill, fill and hopefully weld with that stuff, whatever it is. Thanks. Do not archive Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, final assembly ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:50 PM PST US From: "Eustace Bowhay" Subject: Re: RV-List: osk kosh product update --> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" Hi Lucky; I talked to them at Arlington and at that time they were estimating November for the engine monitor. Eustace ----- Original Message ----- From: "lucky macy" Subject: RV-List: osk kosh product update > --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" > > Dynon doesn't have an update on their web site so would someone mind asking > them how their engine monitor is coming along and when they think it will be > ready for sale? > > Any new avionics products being debut out there suitable for RVs? :-) > > thx, > lucky > do not archive > > Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! > http://dollar.msn.com > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:18 PM PST US From: "Doug Brinlee" Subject: RV-List: RV -7 kit wanted --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" RV-7 kit wanted 7A prefered... with slider.. will consider untouched and started.. prefer at least emp and wing.. Take care, Doug 405-206-6768 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:38 PM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: Re: RV-List: RV -7 kit wanted --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens Hey Doug, I've got a good lead......Try Van @ 503-678-6545. I hear he might have one you can get :-) Laird (2 months of not having my RV to fly is starting to get to me) SoCal DO NOT ARCHIVE ! On Jul 28, 2004, at 9:18 PM, Doug Brinlee wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" > > RV-7 kit wanted 7A prefered... with slider.. will consider untouched > and started.. prefer at least emp and wing.. > Take care, > Doug > 405-206-6768 > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:39 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy crack repair question --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters HCRV6@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com > >Help. Sometime back someone on the list reported on the use of a chemical >that, as I recall, they obtained from a drug store and used to seal a canopy >crack. I don't remember that it was the stuff called Weldon form ACS. I can't >find it in the archives and I have a small crack that I need stop drill, fill >and hopefully weld with that stuff, whatever it is. Thanks. > >Do not archive > >Harry Crosby >Pleasanton, California >RV-6, final assembly > ACS has Weld-on 3, part # 03-54800 ..... $8.85/pint. You can get acrylic glue at almost any sign shop. Linn > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:23 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy crack repair question --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Speaking of canopy cracking problems, has anyone else tried the method of gluing on the canopy, using automotive windshield glue as discussed in a recent kitplanes article? It seems like it would reduce the incidence of canopy cracking, since the stress will be more evenly distributed, and the glue can flex a little. I'm planning on using this method, unless I hear a horror story! Mickey >>Help. Sometime back someone on the list reported on the use of a chemical >>that, as I recall, they obtained from a drug store and used to seal a canopy >>crack. I don't remember that it was the stuff called Weldon form ACS. I can't >>find it in the archives and I have a small crack that I need stop drill, fill >>and hopefully weld with that stuff, whatever it is. Thanks. > >ACS has Weld-on 3, part # 03-54800 ..... $8.85/pint. You can get >acrylic glue at almost any sign shop. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage