---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/02/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:05 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle) 2. 06:30 AM - Re: Stainless Firewall Bypass Kits (Monty Barrett) 3. 07:12 AM - Re: Stainless Firewall Bypass Kits (Mickey Coggins) 4. 08:30 AM - alodine and or prime (Thomas Phy) 5. 09:52 AM - Re: alodine and or prime (Dr. Peter Laurence) 6. 11:16 AM - H2AD Alternator Mount Question (Tony Kirk) 7. 01:11 PM - Re: Converting O360 to IO360 (Mike Robertson) 8. 03:56 PM - Re: Dynon D10A (Bartrim, Todd) 9. 07:06 PM - Re: Approach Systems Wiring Hub (Scott Diffenbaugh) 10. 07:37 PM - Re: Need help with brake lines (Allen) 11. 07:46 PM - Re: ICOM A200 Installation manual (Jeff Orear) 12. 09:04 PM - Re: Approach Systems Wiring Hub (Knicholas2@aol.com) 13. 10:15 PM - Re: [RV10] It's all your fault! (Richard Sipp) 14. 11:30 PM - Re: ICOM A200 Installation manual (Mickey Coggins) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:30 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Lister, Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RVSouthEast-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RVSouthEast-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the RVSouthEast-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. RVSouthEast-List Policy Statement The purpose of the RVSouthEast-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. 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"Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:58 AM PST US From: "Monty Barrett" Subject: RE: RV-List: Stainless Firewall Bypass Kits --> RV-List message posted by: "Monty Barrett" You might also check with a company called RoxCorp. They make firewall penetration protection for a variety of industries specifically for wire and cable pass through locations. Monty Barrett -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chopper Subject: Re: RV-List: Stainless Firewall Bypass Kits --> RV-List message posted by: "Chopper" Stainless Heater bypass valves and Firewall Penetration Seal Kits are available from epm-avcorp.com Just to help protect you from the flames. MK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuse Blocks on a slider. > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > > I wonder if you've considered a way to keep flame and gases from > > penetrating the firewall at your wire and cable pass throughs? It > > appears in the photos that you're using plastic snap fittings. > > Gases are one thing, but fire is another. Are you planning on using an > aluminum heat bypass box? If so, then fireproofing every little nook and > cranny on your firewall may not make a bit of difference if you do have a > fire. In theory, won't that heat box melt and expose a relatively huge 2+ > inch hole straight into the cockpit? > > Just playing devil's advocate... > > I understand there are stainless steel heat boxes available...have to admit > that mine is aluminum. > > do not archive > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > > --- > > --- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:09 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: RE: RV-List: Stainless Firewall Bypass Kits --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Hi Monty, I think you are referring to Roxtec http://www.roxtec.com/ Mickey At 16:02 02-08-04, Monty Barrett wrote: -----Start of Original Message----- >--> RV-List message posted by: "Monty Barrett" > >You might also check with a company called RoxCorp. They make firewall >penetration protection for a variety of industries specifically for wire and >cable pass through locations. > >Monty Barrett > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chopper >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Stainless Firewall Bypass Kits > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Chopper" > >Stainless Heater bypass valves and Firewall Penetration Seal Kits are >available from epm-avcorp.com >Just to help protect you from the flames. MK >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Checkoway" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuse Blocks on a slider. > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" >> >> > I wonder if you've considered a way to keep flame and gases from >> > penetrating the firewall at your wire and cable pass throughs? It >> > appears in the photos that you're using plastic snap fittings. >> >> Gases are one thing, but fire is another. Are you planning on using an >> aluminum heat bypass box? If so, then fireproofing every little nook and >> cranny on your firewall may not make a bit of difference if you do have a >> fire. In theory, won't that heat box melt and expose a relatively huge 2+ >> inch hole straight into the cockpit? >> >> Just playing devil's advocate... >> >> I understand there are stainless steel heat boxes available...have to >admit >> that mine is aluminum. >> >> do not archive >> )_( Dan >> RV-7 N714D >> http://www.rvproject.com >> -----End of Original Message----- -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:17 AM PST US From: "Thomas Phy" Subject: RV-List: alodine and or prime --> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Phy" Hi folks, I know, I know. But this is NOT a "which primer do I use" but IF I alodine (aka, the wing spars) do I need to primer? Tom, (RV-7 wings) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:12 AM PST US From: "Dr. Peter Laurence" Subject: Re: RV-List: alodine and or prime --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Peter Laurence" Tom, The spars are anodized. The only areas that need chromic conversion are the countersunk holes. I would prime the spars. Peter RV9A Waiting for wings. > > Hi folks, > I know, I know. But this is NOT a "which primer do I use" but IF I alodine (aka, the wing spars) do I need to primer? > Tom, (RV-7 wings) > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:57 AM PST US From: "Tony Kirk" Subject: RV-List: H2AD Alternator Mount Question --> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Kirk" Can anyone tell me if the "Boss Mount Alternator Bracket Kit" Part Number "ES ALT-BKT" from Van's will fit on the O-320-H2AD? The H2AD alternator mounting boss is horizontal (not angled like the starter mounting pad) the two bolt holes are 2" apart (fore and aft) and use 5/16" x 18 bolts that go straight up into the crankcase about 1-1/2" from the case centerline and the first hole is about 2-1/16" back from the center of the flywheel v-groove. I'm using the 35A alternator #ES14184 and I don't have the original H2AD alt. bracket (#LW15350 in the Lycoming parts book) to test the alignment either. I can post pictures on my website if they may help answer this question. Any help is greatly appreciated, Tony Kirk http://members.accesstoledo.com/jkirk/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:11 PM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Converting O360 to IO360 --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" Richard, It can be complecated or fairly easy depending on which way you want to do it. If you want to go the whole route and change the sump, etc., then it gets complicated. But if you just want to add the servo and such then it gets much easier. Airflow Performance has a very nice installation package to do just this. Mike Robertson >From: "Richard B. Rauch" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Converting O360 to IO360 >Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:37:28 -0700 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard B. Rauch" > >Has anyone had any experience converting a Lycoming O360 carbureted engine >to an IO360 fuel injected engine. > > >Richard B. Rauch >Email: richardr@apcon.com > >APCON, Inc. >17938 SW Upper Boones Ferry Rd. >Portland, OR 97224 USA >Ph: (503)639-6700 >Fax: (503)639-6740 > >Web: www.apcon.com > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:21 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon D10A From: "Bartrim, Todd" --> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" > >Has anyone taken advantage of the D10 --> D10A upgrade offered by Dynon? > >Was it worth the hassle and money? Is it truly a clean swap, or do you have > >to monkey with the existing D10 wiring harness (ie, output to the > >transonder)? > > When I first heard about it I thought it was a no-brainer. For a few hundred $$$ it sounds great especially when you consider the addition of an auto-pilot control head. However about a week previous to the announcement I'd finally ordered a MicroAir T2000 transponder (been flying without one). While I'd certainly prefer the serial gray code output over the parallel, this issue is a showstopper. I'm happily flying now with the D10 encoding the T2000 and while I'd love to take advantage of the upgrade offer, I likely won't unless they address this as I don't desire to change transponders or add an encoder. S. Todd Bartrim Turbo 13B RX-9endurance C-FSTB http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm "Imagination is more important than knowledge" -Albert Einstein ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:51 PM PST US From: "Scott Diffenbaugh" Subject: Re: RV-List: Approach Systems Wiring Hub --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Diffenbaugh" I have reviewed the archives, and am looking to hear any new pros and cons on the Approach Systems Wiring Hub from those who have had actual experience with that system, particularly involving IFR stacks and autopilots. So far I have only been able to find and converse with two users. Thank you, Scott Diffenbaugh-RV7A mostly complete except for instrument panel wiring diff@foothill.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:24 PM PST US From: "Allen " Subject: RE: RV-List: Need help with brake lines --> RV-List message posted by: "Allen " Jason Use 'hard' aluminum with AN fittings. It will be a bit more difficult to form the hard stuff but the soft AL has a fairly low burst point (lower than the plastic in fact). This will cure your adventures in braking.... allen Allen Duberstein ajdubers@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jason Sneed Subject: RV-List: Need help with brake lines --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed I have an RV-6 and I have had numerous problems with my brake lines. The builder used what looks like plastic (poly) brake lines down the gear leg fairing to the caliper. A couple times the caliper heated up and melted the plastic tube at the fitting and I lost all my fluid. Yesterday I did a fast no flap landing and my right brake pedal was very stiff after landing (probably due to the brake fluid being VERY hot) once stopped I mashed the brake and POP. At the very top of the gear leg fairing I have a pin hole in the plastic which leaked the fluid. I am getting pretty good at landing on a 2000 foot strip with no brakes but I do not think this is a good thing to brag about. Obviously I have to get rid of the plastic hose on both sides my questions are: 1. What type of hose to use? 2. I have woods stiffeners on my gear legs wrapped in glass, do I need to remove this to install the brake line? 3. Do I need to order pre-made hoses or can I make my own? 4. Is aluminum tubbing better that steel braided? or is there something better? 5. my brake lines basically are in the middle of the wood stiffeners. Any help would be great... Thanks, Jason Sneed Commercial Lending Officer First National Bank and Trust www.highland-parks.com/n242ds == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:14 PM PST US From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: Re: RV-List: ICOM A200 Installation manual --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" Ken: The installation manual, at least the copy that I have, is not that much more informative, IMHO. If you have the pinouts, that is really all you need. If you would like a copy of the manual, I could make one for you and send it out snail mail. Just send me an address and I can get it out to you sometime this week. Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A N782P (reserved) firewall forward etc Peshtigo, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Simmons" Subject: RV-List: ICOM A200 Installation manual > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" > > I'm looking for an installation manual for this radio. I found the pinout on Bob's website, but I was hoping for a little more detail. > > Thanks. > Ken > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:00 PM PST US From: Knicholas2@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Approach Systems Wiring Hub --> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com In a message dated 8/2/2004 7:07:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, diff@foothill.net writes: I have reviewed the archives, and am looking to hear any new pros and cons on the Approach Systems Wiring Hub from those who have had actual experience with that system, I have the approach systems hub and wiring. I bought one of the "early' units and had some problems with their wiring bundles but they were terrific with the customer support. At one point we could not diagnose the problem so a local wiring guru from a wiring shop came out to the plane. We agreed that if the problem was my fault, I would pay for the tech. If it was their problemn Approach Systems would pay. The problem was in their wiring and they paid it no questions asked. Would I use therir system again? ABSOLUTELY!! Kim NIcholas RV9A Flying IFR panel. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:18 PM PST US From: "Richard Sipp" Subject: RV-List: Re: [RV10] It's all your fault! --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" ----- Original Message ----- From: "hasbrouckjohn" Subject: [RV10] It's all your fault! > I told my wife that it's all your fault. You all seem to be having > so much fun building a -10 that I figured I'd join in! I have loved > Van's designs but found the 2 place too small for me. Promised > myself if he ever offered a 4 place I'd build it. I've been > following the group for some time and have been impressed with the > lack of problems everyone seems to have building this plane. Must > be a great kit, I thought, so with the family in tow off we went to > OSH, arriving Saturday. No -10 to be found at Van's, out giving > demo rides they told me, so I satisfied myself with sitting in the > mockup. Finally saw the plane later in the day and now there's a > smoking hole where my checkbook used to be! Buzz and Ida at > Cleaveland Tools set me up with a tool kit and away we go! So if we > meet sometime and my wife gives you a nasty look don't forget I told > her it's all your fault! Most excellent. This is best summary of this disease I have seen in awhile. Another motivator or two: At a fuel stop on the way to the Mason City, IA formation clinic and OSH in my old 160HP CS prop RV4, a couple of guys walk up and one says to the other, "Now this is what you should buy." Seems his buddy periodically gets the hots for an RV and goes out looking. Guy one says, "would you mind taking my buddy for a short ride?" I said, "sure let me put some gas in it, check the weather, make a call, and then we'll go around the pattern." So we prepare for a quick ride in a grossed out 4 with a big guy in the back, some baggage and full fuel. On takeoff roll I hear a WOW! from the back seat. A roll, a typical cruise power setting demo, high speed low approach to a carrier break overhead approach and you guessed it, this guy is infected. Next day begins the second annual pre-OSH formation clinic hosted by warbird pilot extrordinaire Doug Rozendalh, Falcon Flight Lead and FFI founder Stu McCurdy and Team RV http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/teamrv/ lead Mike Stewart. 29 RVs flown by some of the nicest folks in the world show up for the formation seminar. Sunday morning dawns crystal clear and, ho-hum, another 12 ship formation flight of RVs with a 13th P-51 is on the schedule. See the pictures at Doug Reeves great RV sight: http://www.vansairforce.net/calendarofthemonth/TeamRV2.jpg Now the questions are: (1) will they let me fly formation with Team RV in an RV10 or (2), how do you justify building a 10 when you already fly a 4. Answer to 1 unknown, answer to 2, "Hun, now we can take the dog when we go visit the kids." One of the best kept secrets of the RV world is all the great people you will meet flying around the country in your airplane. Dick Sipp "Frogman" RV 4 250DS RV 10 110DV 40065 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:24 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: ICOM A200 Installation manual --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Hi, The ICOM A200 installation manual is available here: http://www.icomamerica.com/downloads/manuals.asp Mickey >If you would like a copy of the manual, I could make one for you and send it >out snail mail. Just send me an address and I can get it out to you >sometime this week. > > >> I'm looking for an installation manual for this radio. I found the pinout >> on Bob's website, but I was hoping for a little more detail. >> -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage