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1. 03:28 AM - Vans Home coming - Virginia to Oregon (Richard V. Reynolds)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: Approach Systems Wiring Hub (Dana Overall)
3. 04:51 AM - Need a rivet buzzhead (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
4. 05:07 AM - looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
5. 05:52 AM - Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it (Dean)
6. 06:12 AM - Report on the Trio Autopilot. (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
7. 06:13 AM - Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it (linn walters)
8. 06:14 AM - Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it (linn walters)
9. 06:35 AM - Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it (Phil)
10. 06:53 AM - Re: Stainless Firewall Bypass Kits (Monty Barrett)
11. 07:01 AM - Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
12. 07:14 AM - Re: other plane plumbing source (Jack Blomgren)
13. 07:15 AM - Re: Hey Monty (Monty Barrett)
14. 08:16 AM - Re: Manifold Pressure Jitters (SportAV8R@aol.com)
15. 08:39 AM - Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it (Dean)
16. 09:15 AM - Re: Need a rivet buzzhead (Christopher Stone)
17. 09:18 AM - Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it (John Brick)
18. 10:04 AM - Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it (linn walters)
19. 10:08 AM - Re: other plane plumbing source (linn walters)
20. 10:13 AM - Re: Re : Papers on Cooling design (Laird Owens)
21. 10:14 AM - Re: Papers on Cooling design (Laird Owens)
22. 10:19 AM - Instrument Panel (Tommy Walker)
23. 10:30 AM - Re: Report on the Trio Autopilot. (bhuk@earthlink.net)
24. 11:02 AM - Re: Need a rivet buzzhead (Christopher Stone)
25. 11:05 AM - Re: Report on the Trio Autopilot. (Sam Buchanan)
26. 11:49 AM - Instrument Panel (Paul Brown)
27. 12:04 PM - Sam Buchanan Letter in Sport Aviation (Pat Hatch)
28. 12:34 PM - Slider canopy rails (Mickey Coggins)
29. 12:45 PM - Re: Instrument Panel (Craig Hiers)
30. 12:52 PM - Re: Instrument Panel (Michael Schipper)
31. 12:56 PM - Re: Instrument Panel (Mickey Coggins)
32. 01:13 PM - Re: Instrument Panel (Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers)
33. 01:26 PM - Re: Report on the Trio Autopilot. (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
34. 01:28 PM - Re: Instrument Panel (Cory Emberson)
35. 01:57 PM - Re: Manifold Pressure Jitters (Shemp)
36. 02:00 PM - Re: Slider canopy rails (Shemp)
37. 02:37 PM - Re: Manifold Pressure Jitters (Vic Jacko)
38. 02:48 PM - Re: Instrument Panel (Stein Bruch)
39. 03:57 PM - Re: Slider canopy rails (Martin Hone)
40. 04:41 PM - Re: Sam Buchanan Letter in Sport Aviation (Sam Buchanan)
41. 04:48 PM - Re: Manifold Pressure Jitters (Alex Peterson)
42. 05:04 PM - Oregon Aero Seats (John)
43. 06:08 PM - Oshkosh (William Davis)
44. 06:45 PM - Re: Slider canopy rails (Larry Bowen)
45. 06:46 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Jeff Orear)
46. 07:21 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Jeff Point)
47. 07:25 PM - Re: Oregon Aero Seats (Jeff Point)
48. 08:06 PM - Re: Manifold Pressure Jitters (Denis Walsh)
49. 08:17 PM - 3M scotch brite for dremel (Travis Hamblen)
50. 08:40 PM - Taking apart a rivet gun (Don Mack)
51. 08:47 PM - Re: 3M scotch brite for dremel (Stein Bruch)
52. 09:19 PM - Re: Slider canopy rails (Vanremog@aol.com)
53. 09:39 PM - Re: 3M scotch brite for dremel (Paul Eastham)
54. 10:23 PM - Re: Taking apart a rivet gun (Karie Daniel)
55. 10:24 PM - Re: Oregon Aero Seats (Karie Daniel)
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| Subject: | Vans Home coming - Virginia to Oregon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds@macs.net>
If any one in VA, NC, or MD is planning to go to Vans September 4-5, and
is interested in a "group" VFR flight, please contact me.
Do not archive
Richard Reynolds, RV-6A
Norfolk, VA
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| Subject: | Approach Systems Wiring Hub |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I also looked at the hub system but by the time I bought the hub and all the
cables the quote was way too much for my interest. The thought of
everything going through one central board was a major concern which
overshadowed the plug and play aspects of the unit. I went with Stein and
had him wire a custom harness up to my specs. Using Aeroelectric as a guide
all I do, in essense, is hook the hots and grounds up. Pretty easy and a
heck of a lot cheaper than "the box". I am well pleased with the plug and
play aspects of this route.
This comes from a serious "non electrical" builder.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
do not archive
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| Subject: | Need a rivet buzzhead |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I have a need to use closed end rivets on 2 rows of wing/skin/ribs on
the underside of my wing near the wing walk area. I have fabricated the
wing walk area plus 2 bays to be a wet wing smoke tank. I have not been
able to find a way to buck these rivets and get the area sealed with
proseal. So I have a need to use the closed end , counter sunk, pop
rivets.
In researching the tensile strength of these ak-41h rivets, the only
table I can find is here: http://www.emhart.com/products/pop/closed2.htm
which shows that the shear/tensile is 1360/1710 respectively. The AN
rivets that is supposed to go in there, according to the ACS catalog,
has a shear/tensile of 26,000/38,000 psi. WOW that is a big difference
if my numbers are right. So my question is, are these numbers right? I
would really like to use the closed end rivets to seal the tank. If I
was only putting in a couple I would not be concerned, but 2 full rib
rows next to each other is another matter.
Your thoughts? Are the AK numbers above accurate? I could use
countersunk cherry's but they don't provide a reliable seal.
Thanks
Michael Stewart
Do not archive this question. But remove for good answers
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| Subject: | looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I have the need in many places to connect a tube I have made to a
bulkhead fitting, and quick turn 90 degrees. I have seen these fitting
before but I cant find a supplier mainly cause I don't know what to call
it. It has a spinning nut on one end to attached to the bulkhead flared
tube, and flared tube on the other to attach to the tube I made. I have
only seen these in the past in stainless which is fine, although Id
prefer alum.
Whadya call this thing, a 90 degree flared union elbow with a nut on it?
part number ? Suppier? I need them for both -4 and -6 lines.
Thanks
Michael Stewart
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Michael
If I understand your question correctly, what you are looking for are
AN833-4D and AN833-6D elbows. The "D" suffix signifies aluminum. They are
available at Wicks, Spruce, Pegasus, and many other sources.
Dean Van Winkle
RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RV-List: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
> I have the need in many places to connect a tube I have made to a
> bulkhead fitting, and quick turn 90 degrees. I have seen these fitting
> before but I cant find a supplier mainly cause I don't know what to call
> it. It has a spinning nut on one end to attached to the bulkhead flared
> tube, and flared tube on the other to attach to the tube I made. I have
> only seen these in the past in stainless which is fine, although Id
> prefer alum.
>
>
> Whadya call this thing, a 90 degree flared union elbow with a nut on it?
> part number ? Suppier? I need them for both -4 and -6 lines.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Michael Stewart
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Report on the Trio Autopilot. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
So Ive been flying this Trio Autopilot for several hundred hours now and
I thought I'd give the group an update. Recently they have added some
new features with include a skid ball, and software enhancements. This
is a remarkable little unit. When I look at my panel and the gismo's I
really enjoy, this one is it. Sure my 430 is cool (it better be for what
I paid for it), stereo sounds nice, engine monitor is very functional,
Dynon has nice color.. But when I hit the button on the Trio to take
over, it is a far more satisfying feeling than I get from any other
instrument.
So whats the big deal? Well I have stated before what I hated about the
Navaid. Those who own/d one know what Im talking about. Lets just say it
has the "yahoo syndrome" When Trio came out with the new sophisticated
solid state gyro I was very excited to try it out. Now that I have been
using it for several hundred hours I can tell you that it impresses me
more with each use.
I'd say it is the smoothness, accuracy, feature set, and price point all
rolled up into one that make this a keeper. I have already put the servo
in my in process Super 8 and will have the Trio in my panel.
I just finished up a round trip to Osh with the software changes and
they are an improvement on an already terrific system. It now controls
roll rate on turns based on speed. NEAT! I have written other dialogues
on it features I really like and how it measures up to the competition
so I wont rant on that again.
I have a friend and his wife who were killed after inadvertent entry
into IMC with his RV. I honestly feel that he'd be alive today with one
of these. ONE BUTTON and he'd be on a 180 degree turn out into wings
level and only pitch would he have had to deal with. The workload
removal when the green light is on is extraordinary.
I have 1300 hours in my rv in 2.5 years. I have flown many, played with
all the gismos. I don't get very excited about new products to the point
where I recommend them. Im pretty frugal. I do a lot of analysis on
things. Ask my wife:-) As autopilots go in RV's, this one is a keeper.
So if you have been thinking about one of these in your RV and you are
still on the fence. Call me, Ill push you over to the Green Light side.
Michael Stewart
Do not archive
Not affiliated with Trio, I just love the unit.
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>
>I have the need in many places to connect a tube I have made to a
>bulkhead fitting, and quick turn 90 degrees. I have seen these fitting
>before but I cant find a supplier mainly cause I don't know what to call
>it. It has a spinning nut on one end to attached to the bulkhead flared
>tube, and flared tube on the other to attach to the tube I made. I have
>only seen these in the past in stainless which is fine, although Id
>prefer alum.
>
>
>Whadya call this thing, a 90 degree flared union elbow with a nut on it?
>part number ? Suppier? I need them for both -4 and -6 lines.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Michael Stewart
>
>Do not archive
>
Aw Mike! Amazing how we forget how to use the tools when the airplane
is flying!!!! Go dig out your Aircraft Spruce catalog (even an old one
will do .... I have many) and turn to fittings. The new catalog starts
on page 106, and on 107 is an AN833 that fits your description. Page
109 has the AN924 nut. Call (800) 831-2949 (Aircraft Spruce East) and
they'll fix you right up. Ask for a catalog!!!
Linn
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>
>I have the need in many places to connect a tube I have made to a
>bulkhead fitting, and quick turn 90 degrees. I have seen these fitting
>before but I cant find a supplier mainly cause I don't know what to call
>it. It has a spinning nut on one end to attached to the bulkhead flared
>tube, and flared tube on the other to attach to the tube I made. I have
>only seen these in the past in stainless which is fine, although Id
>prefer alum.
>
>
>Whadya call this thing, a 90 degree flared union elbow with a nut on it?
>part number ? Suppier? I need them for both -4 and -6 lines.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Michael Stewart
>
>Do not archive
>
Aw Mike! Amazing how we forget how to use the tools when the airplane
is flying!!!! Go dig out your Aircraft Spruce catalog (even an old one
will do .... I have many) and turn to fittings. The new catalog starts
on page 106, and on 107 is an AN833 that fits your description. Page
109 has the AN924 nut. Call (800) 831-2949 (Aircraft Spruce East) and
they'll fix you right up. Ask for a catalog!!! There's an awful lot of
info and tables on how to do things, so it's far more than just a catalog.
Linn
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil" <phatphill@comcast.net>
Hydraulic suppliers have these.
37 deg. fittings are called JIC.
The fittings you want are 4MJ-4FJX and 6MJ-6FJX
F= female thread. M= male thread. J= JIC. X= swivel.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael
(ISS Atlanta)
Subject: RV-List: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
I have the need in many places to connect a tube I have made to a
bulkhead fitting, and quick turn 90 degrees. I have seen these fitting
before but I cant find a supplier mainly cause I don't know what to call
it. It has a spinning nut on one end to attached to the bulkhead flared
tube, and flared tube on the other to attach to the tube I made. I have
only seen these in the past in stainless which is fine, although Id
prefer alum.
Whadya call this thing, a 90 degree flared union elbow with a nut on it?
part number ? Suppier? I need them for both -4 and -6 lines.
Thanks
Michael Stewart
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Stainless Firewall Bypass Kits |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Monty Barrett" <bpa@bpaengines.com>
Correct, RoxTec. You can contact Leann Garrett there, and she will assist
you in identifying a product and/or person to help you. She can be reached
at 800-520-4769
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Kuss
Subject: RE: RV-List: Stainless Firewall Bypass Kits
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Mickey,
Any particular product from Roxtec that would work well for an RV. It's
hard wading through all those products.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>Hi Monty,
>
>I think you are referring to Roxtec http://www.roxtec.com/
>
>Mickey
>
>At 16:02 02-08-04, Monty Barrett wrote:
>-----Start of Original Message-----
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Monty Barrett" <bpa@bpaengines.com>
> >
> >You might also check with a company called RoxCorp. They make firewall
> >penetration protection for a variety of industries specifically for wire
and
> >cable pass through locations.
> >
> >Monty Barrett
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chopper
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Stainless Firewall Bypass Kits
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Chopper" <mkellems@tnweb.com>
> >
> >Stainless Heater bypass valves and Firewall Penetration Seal Kits are
> >available from epm-avcorp.com
> >Just to help protect you from the flames. MK
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuse Blocks on a slider.
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> >>
> >> > I wonder if you've considered a way to keep flame and gases from
> >> > penetrating the firewall at your wire and cable pass throughs? It
> >> > appears in the photos that you're using plastic snap fittings.
> >>
> >> Gases are one thing, but fire is another. Are you planning on using an
> >> aluminum heat bypass box? If so, then fireproofing every little nook
and
> >> cranny on your firewall may not make a bit of difference if you do have
a
> >> fire. In theory, won't that heat box melt and expose a relatively huge
2+
> >> inch hole straight into the cockpit?
> >>
> >> Just playing devil's advocate...
> >>
> >> I understand there are stainless steel heat boxes available...have to
> >admit
> >> that mine is aluminum.
> >>
> >> do not archive
> >> )_( Dan
> >> RV-7 N714D
> >> http://www.rvproject.com
> >>
>-----End of Original Message-----
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
What are you kidding? I have the catalogue memorized, and one in the
office, car, boat, and bedstand:)
And 833 is a bulkhead. What I need is an 821 that has the nut built into
it on one side.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters
Subject: Re: RV-List: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
>I have the need in many places to connect a tube I have made to a
>bulkhead fitting, and quick turn 90 degrees. I have seen these fitting
>before but I cant find a supplier mainly cause I don't know what to
call
>it. It has a spinning nut on one end to attached to the bulkhead flared
>tube, and flared tube on the other to attach to the tube I made. I
have
>only seen these in the past in stainless which is fine, although Id
>prefer alum.
>
>
>Whadya call this thing, a 90 degree flared union elbow with a nut on
it?
>part number ? Suppier? I need them for both -4 and -6 lines.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Michael Stewart
>
>Do not archive
>
Aw Mike! Amazing how we forget how to use the tools when the airplane
is flying!!!! Go dig out your Aircraft Spruce catalog (even an old one
will do .... I have many) and turn to fittings. The new catalog starts
on page 106, and on 107 is an AN833 that fits your description. Page
109 has the AN924 nut. Call (800) 831-2949 (Aircraft Spruce East) and
they'll fix you right up. Ask for a catalog!!! There's an awful lot of
info and tables on how to do things, so it's far more than just a
catalog.
Linn
>
>
>
>
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | other plane plumbing source |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
Add another fine source for all your plane plumbing needs. Earl's
Performance Plumbing
(A Holley Performance Brand) < www,earlsplumbing.com > Tech Line:
310-609-1602
Fine catalog even contains hose assembly instructions and illustrations.
Fittings blue and red anodized, plus cushioned tubing clamps alum, blue or
red. Here is one Wisconsin distributer-
W.M. Engineering, Stevens Point, Wi. Info: 715-342-1934 Fax: 715-342-1935
< www.coredes.com/~wmeng/ > E-mail < wmeng@coredes.com >
Jack, Twin Cities RV Wing
-8 engine hung
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Monty Barrett" <bpa@bpaengines.com>
The I0-390-X bore is nominally 5.312 instead of 5.125 which is the bore of
the 360 and the 540. Stroke is the same.
Monty Barrett. Sr.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Kuss
Subject: RE: RV-List: Hey Monty
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Monty,
Is the IO-390 a bored 360? A stroked 360 or some combination of the two?
What are the bore and stroke dimensions.
Charlie Kuss
Engine assembly assistant to the nameless :-)
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Monty Barrett" <bpa@bpaengines.com>
>
>Yep, it is the same Monty. Thanks for the kind words.
>I recently picked up a thread that had a quote from Mike Wolf of
>Textron-Lycoming in it. Mike had stated that the 390 was the best
>" Turbocharged, normally aspirated engine" Lycoming has had.
>
>I cannot speak for Mr. Wolf but in his defense I am sure he meant
>" fuel injected normally aspirated"------------. Mr. Wolf is most likely
>under considerable corporate pressure at the present time and he either
>spoke incorrectly or was mis-quoted. Either way, I agree with his
>assessment of the I0-390-X engine. It gives equivalent power to the
>high compression I0-360 engine without the inherent high cylinder pressures
>and detonation tendencies the 10:1 engines have. The 390 is also a
>counterweighted crankshaft engine and is extremely smooth running,
according
>to field reports we have from those fortunate enough to have a I0-390
>installed and flying.
>
>Monty Barrett, Sr.
>Tulsa, Oklahoma
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>EricHe@FlexSolPackaging.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Hey Monty
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: <EricHe@FlexSolPackaging.com>
>
>Is that Monty Barrett of Tulsa I see lurking on the RV list? If not don't
>anyone read any further.
>
>IF SO
>
>I just want to tell people that Monty is a hell of an engine resource. Me
>and Charlie Kuss rebuilt my IO-320-B1A and there were several times I
>couldn't find parts. Monty is the guy that came through for me more than
>once. I'd consider him the Bart Lalonde of the south. He builds lots of
high
>performance acro types. He doesn't know me from Adam, but went out of his
>way to help or swap any way he could.
>
>Don't know if he's been introduced or not, but I thought I'd pipe up and
let
>it be known that he's one hell of a resource and one hell of a nice guy to
>do business with before some lister-know-it-all flames the hell out of him
>and runs some more talent and resources off the list.
>
>Thanks again Monty (of course assuming you are in fact THAT Monty)
>
>Eric Henson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold Pressure Jitters |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
I have a permanent case of the jitters even with a small (I forget how small) restrictor
orifice in the line... it varies +/- 0.5 in Hg or so in flight... I
just learned to get used to it and eyeball a moving average.
Grand Rapids EIS in use: model 2002.
-Bill B
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Michael
I obviously misunderstood the first time around. If you are looking for a
right angle fitting with a captured nut that will couple to a bulkhead
fitting with the other end being a male flare fitting, try Pegasus Auto
Racing Supplies (He is a RV-9A builder). On Page 73 of the 2004 catalog
they are called AN Male to Female Swivel 90 degree Elbow (no specific AN
identifier number given). They are aluminum with the Pegasus part numbers
3284-04 ($12.99) and 3284-06 ($14.99). I have a 3284-06 in each of my
rotary engine FI return to tank lines. Their web site is
www.pegasusautoracing.com and ph 1-800-688-6946. Chris Heitman is the
owner. Hope that this is what you are looking for.
Dean Van Winkle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
> What are you kidding? I have the catalogue memorized, and one in the
> office, car, boat, and bedstand:)
>
> And 833 is a bulkhead. What I need is an 821 that has the nut built into
> it on one side.
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
> <mstewart@iss.net>
> >
> >I have the need in many places to connect a tube I have made to a
> >bulkhead fitting, and quick turn 90 degrees. I have seen these fitting
> >before but I cant find a supplier mainly cause I don't know what to
> call
> >it. It has a spinning nut on one end to attached to the bulkhead flared
> >tube, and flared tube on the other to attach to the tube I made. I
> have
> >only seen these in the past in stainless which is fine, although Id
> >prefer alum.
> >
> >
> >Whadya call this thing, a 90 degree flared union elbow with a nut on
> it?
> >part number ? Suppier? I need them for both -4 and -6 lines.
> >
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
> >Michael Stewart
> >
> >Do not archive
> >
> Aw Mike! Amazing how we forget how to use the tools when the airplane
> is flying!!!! Go dig out your Aircraft Spruce catalog (even an old one
> will do .... I have many) and turn to fittings. The new catalog starts
>
> on page 106, and on 107 is an AN833 that fits your description. Page
> 109 has the AN924 nut. Call (800) 831-2949 (Aircraft Spruce East) and
> they'll fix you right up. Ask for a catalog!!! There's an awful lot of
>
> info and tables on how to do things, so it's far more than just a
> catalog.
> Linn
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a rivet buzzhead |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Michael...
The Emhart chart refers to the load (lb) that one of their rivets fail at in shear
and tensile loading.
The 26000-38,000 psi is the yield/ultimate tensile strength of the material (aluminum)
from which the AN rivets are fabricated.
To calculate the strength of a single AN rivet multiply the yield strength of the
material by the cross secional area of the rivet grip.
For a -4 rivet (3.1416 * diameter (squared) divided by 4) = .012272 sq. in.
Yield strength = 26,000 psi * .012272 sq. in. = 319 Lb. This is the amount of
pull required to begin to deform the rivet. To determine the load the rivet will
break at use the ultimate tensile of 38,000 psi; 466 lb
The above calculations are for pure tensile loads, for shear loads the rule of
thumb is to use 75% of the tensile load values.
All this being said the numbers on the Emhart chart are too high for aluminum.
I assume they base their strength values on the steel mandral, though I don't
know how that would improve tensile strength. If you look at the Cherry MS rivet
chart (Aluminum blind rivit) the -4 tensile strength is rated at 240 lb.
This is consistant with the mechanical properties of aluminum.
Chris Stone
RV-8 WIngs
Newberg, Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RV-List: Need a rivet buzzhead
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I have a need to use closed end rivets on 2 rows of wing/skin/ribs on
the underside of my wing near the wing walk area. I have fabricated the
wing walk area plus 2 bays to be a wet wing smoke tank. I have not been
able to find a way to buck these rivets and get the area sealed with
proseal. So I have a need to use the closed end , counter sunk, pop
rivets.
In researching the tensile strength of these ak-41h rivets, the only
table I can find is here: http://www.emhart.com/products/pop/closed2.htm
which shows that the shear/tensile is 1360/1710 respectively. The AN
rivets that is supposed to go in there, according to the ACS catalog,
has a shear/tensile of 26,000/38,000 psi. WOW that is a big difference
if my numbers are right. So my question is, are these numbers right? I
would really like to use the closed end rivets to seal the tank. If I
was only putting in a couple I would not be concerned, but 2 full rib
rows next to each other is another matter.
Your thoughts? Are the AK numbers above accurate? I could use
countersunk cherry's but they don't provide a reliable seal.
Thanks
Michael Stewart
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| Subject: | looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Brick" <jbrick@wolfenet.com>
Mike,
I have four 90's and one 45. All aluminum -6s. Never used. They are made to
go onto another AN flared fitting and swivel to any angle for flared tube
connection (or another swivel). I got them at Williams Oil Filter Service
Company (WOFSCO) in Tacoma. At today's WOFSCO prices, they are $16.72 each
for 90's and $17.35 for the 45. Aeroquip part numbers are FBM4032 and
FBM4022 respectively. I think I bought them for about $12 each and you can
have them at that price.
jb
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael
> (ISS Atlanta)
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:57 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>
>What are you kidding? I have the catalogue memorized, and one in the
>office, car, boat, and bedstand:)
>
>And 833 is a bulkhead. What I need is an 821 that has the nut built into
>it on one side.
>Mike
>
Hee Hee, I just couldn't resist! Sorry! Ah, I see. I think. Wrong
nut! (maybe it's on this end???) If I get the picture correct, you're
looking for a 90 degree with male on one side and female on the
other???? I've not seen one like that, but that doesn't mean it doesn't
exist. Try looking on http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/ and send
them an email. They list a lot of AN fittings. How did you end up in
this predicament anyway? What are you trying to connect???
Linn ....... still learning after all these years!
Do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: looking for a flared tube fitting whadaya call it
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
>Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
>>
>>
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>
>>I have the need in many places to connect a tube I have made to a
>>bulkhead fitting, and quick turn 90 degrees. I have seen these fitting
>>before but I cant find a supplier mainly cause I don't know what to
>>
>>
>call
>
>
>>it. It has a spinning nut on one end to attached to the bulkhead flared
>>tube, and flared tube on the other to attach to the tube I made. I
>>
>>
>have
>
>
>>only seen these in the past in stainless which is fine, although Id
>>prefer alum.
>>
>>
>>Whadya call this thing, a 90 degree flared union elbow with a nut on
>>
>>
>it?
>
>
>>part number ? Suppier? I need them for both -4 and -6 lines.
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>Michael Stewart
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>Aw Mike! Amazing how we forget how to use the tools when the airplane
>is flying!!!! Go dig out your Aircraft Spruce catalog (even an old one
>will do .... I have many) and turn to fittings. The new catalog starts
>
>on page 106, and on 107 is an AN833 that fits your description. Page
>109 has the AN924 nut. Call (800) 831-2949 (Aircraft Spruce East) and
>they'll fix you right up. Ask for a catalog!!! There's an awful lot of
>
>info and tables on how to do things, so it's far more than just a
>catalog.
>Linn
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>==
>==
>==
>==
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: other plane plumbing source |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Jack Blomgren wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
>
>Add another fine source for all your plane plumbing needs. Earl's
>Performance Plumbing
>(A Holley Performance Brand) < www,earlsplumbing.com > Tech Line:
>310-609-1602
>
>Fine catalog even contains hose assembly instructions and illustrations.
>Fittings blue and red anodized, plus cushioned tubing clamps alum, blue or
>red. Here is one Wisconsin distributer-
>W.M. Engineering, Stevens Point, Wi. Info: 715-342-1934 Fax: 715-342-1935
>< www.coredes.com/~wmeng/ > E-mail < wmeng@coredes.com >
>
>Jack, Twin Cities RV Wing
>-8 engine hung
>
Great link!!! Thanks. I looked for Mike's fitting (as I think it is)
and found it easily at
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/EPP/EPPA/Special.html,
fourth item down.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Re : Papers on Cooling design |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Thanks Martin. I'll take a look.
On Aug 3, 2004, at 6:36 PM, Martin Hone wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Hi Laird,
>
> I don't have anything fancy by way of cooling design info, although I
> did
> design and fabricate a pressure plenum for my RV6, and can only
> suggest that
> your friend consult the bible - Tony Bingelis's "Firewall Forward" or
> the
> "Tony Bingellis on Engines" books
>
> Cheers
>
> Martin in Oz
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Papers on Cooling design |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Thanks Linn. I'll have him take a look.
Laird
On Aug 3, 2004, at 3:13 PM, linn walters wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Laird Owens wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>>
>> I have a friend who is looking for any papers or articles on
>> powerplant
>> cooling design. He's trying to diagnose some high cylinder problems
>> on
>> a non RV airplane. I also have an interest in learning more about
>> it.
>>
>> Wasn't there a NASA grant to a South East university that published a
>> paper?
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Laird RV-6
>> SoCal
>>
> Info from another list seems to point to flashing from casting between
> the cylinder fins. They've been there for a long time as old cylinders
> show the problem as well as new. Pull the plugs and place a light
> below
> the cylinders next to the plug hole. Look down between the fins
> adjacent to the plug holes. Hope this helps!
> Linn
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:20:25 -0500
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
I had my Instrument Panel CNC cut by Ross Schlotthauer at Experimental Air.
My panel arrived today and man it's really a piece of art! Beautiful job
Ross.
I was really impressed with his service and willingness to work with me.
Give Ross a call or contact him at ross@experimentalair.com.
Tommy Walker
6A, Finishing
Ridgetop, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Report on the Trio Autopilot. |
--> RV-List message posted by: bhuk@earthlink.net
Michael,
I'm assuming you have the VFD display on your Trio. Have you seen a direct comparison
between the VFD and LCD displays?
I'm considering one for my -4.
Thanks,
Bruce Hukari
-
So Ive been flying this Trio Autopilot for several hundred hours now and
I thought I'd give the group an update. Recently they have added some
new features with include a skid ball, and software enhancements. This
is a remarkable little unit. When I look at my panel and the gismo's I
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| Subject: | Re: Need a rivet buzzhead |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
In my haste I overlooked the units that Emhart uses on their chart. Their proof
loads are in Newtons not Lbs. (.2248 N = 1 Lbf)
So when they show 1360 N in shear for an AK-41H rivet the equivilent imperial
value is 306 lbs.
Chris Stone
Newberg, Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a rivet buzzhead
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Michael...
The Emhart chart refers to the load (lb) that one of their rivets fail at in shear
and tensile loading.
The 26000-38,000 psi is the yield/ultimate tensile strength of the material (aluminum)
from which the AN rivets are fabricated.
To calculate the strength of a single AN rivet multiply the yield strength of the
material by the cross secional area of the rivet grip.
For a -4 rivet (3.1416 * diameter (squared) divided by 4) = .012272 sq. in.
Yield strength = 26,000 psi * .012272 sq. in. = 319 Lb. This is the amount of
pull required to begin to deform the rivet. To determine the load the rivet will
break at use the ultimate tensile of 38,000 psi; 466 lb
The above calculations are for pure tensile loads, for shear loads the rule of
thumb is to use 75% of the tensile load values.
All this being said the numbers on the Emhart chart are too high for aluminum.
I assume they base their strength values on the steel mandral, though I don't
know how that would improve tensile strength. If you look at the Cherry MS rivet
chart (Aluminum blind rivit) the -4 tensile strength is rated at 240 lb.
This is consistant with the mechanical properties of aluminum.
Chris Stone
RV-8 WIngs
Newberg, Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RV-List: Need a rivet buzzhead
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I have a need to use closed end rivets on 2 rows of wing/skin/ribs on
the underside of my wing near the wing walk area. I have fabricated the
wing walk area plus 2 bays to be a wet wing smoke tank. I have not been
able to find a way to buck these rivets and get the area sealed with
proseal. So I have a need to use the closed end , counter sunk, pop
rivets.
In researching the tensile strength of these ak-41h rivets, the only
table I can find is here: http://www.emhart.com/products/pop/closed2.htm
which shows that the shear/tensile is 1360/1710 respectively. The AN
rivets that is supposed to go in there, according to the ACS catalog,
has a shear/tensile of 26,000/38,000 psi. WOW that is a big difference
if my numbers are right. So my question is, are these numbers right? I
would really like to use the closed end rivets to seal the tank. If I
was only putting in a couple I would not be concerned, but 2 full rib
rows next to each other is another matter.
Your thoughts? Are the AK numbers above accurate? I could use
countersunk cherry's but they don't provide a reliable seal.
Thanks
Michael Stewart
Do not archive this question. But remove for good answers
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| Subject: | Re: Report on the Trio Autopilot. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
bhuk@earthlink.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: bhuk@earthlink.net
>
> Michael,
>
> I'm assuming you have the VFD display on your Trio. Have you seen a direct comparison
> between the VFD and LCD displays?
> I'm considering one for my -4.
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce Hukari
Bruce, you want the LCD display in any RV. I have flown both versions of
the EZ-Pilot and the LCD display is much more usable than the VFD under
the big RV canopies.
I, like Mike, am a very satisfied EZ-Pilot customer and consider the
unit to be one of the most valuable features of the panel in my RV-6.
Sam Buchanan
http://thervjournel.com
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Brown" <nightmare@adelphia.net>
For you guys that went to OSH. I saw, in the pic's from Avweb, a very modern looking instrument panel that was really great. It was made from f'glass with a center consol and was absolutly beautiful. Does anyone know who the manufacturer is." If it come through, the pic is the 8th row down at http://www.avweb.com/news/osh2004/187826-1.html
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| Subject: | Sam Buchanan Letter in Sport Aviation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Sam,
Congratulations on your excellent letter in the August SA. I think you expressed
the sentiments of the majority of homebuilders. Thanks for setting the record
straight!
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Pat Hatch
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| Subject: | Slider canopy rails |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi,
Are people typically getting the canopy rails anodized,
or doing something else to protect them? Also, what
about the rear track for the canopy? Seems like anything
you do to it will rub off eventually...
Thanks,
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Hiers" <craig_rv4@bellsouth.net>
Take a look at page 28 in the January issue of Sport Aviation. I think it is
the same panel.
Craig Hiers
Tifton,GA.
> For you guys that went to OSH. I saw, in the pic's from Avweb, a very
modern looking instrument panel that was really great. It was made from
f'glass with a center consol and was absolutly beautiful. Does anyone know
who the manufacturer is." If it come through, the pic is the 8th row down at
http://www.avweb.com/news/osh2004/187826-1.html
>
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>
Yes, I liked it a lot too. It was being displayed by Aerotronics.
(www.aerotronics.com)
They also had a really nice looking panel with an American Flag
silkscreened on the non-fiberglass areas.
Mike Schipper
www.my9a.com
On Aug 4, 2004, at 1:48 PM, Paul Brown wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Brown" <nightmare@adelphia.net>
For you guys that went to OSH. I saw, in the pic's from Avweb, a very
modern looking instrument panel that was really great. It was made from
f'glass with a center consol and was absolutly beautiful. Does anyone
know who the manufacturer is." If it come through, the pic is the 8th
row down at http://www.avweb.com/news/osh2004/187826-1.html
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Well, I zoomed in on the photo, and the company name looks
like Aerotronics. Could be these guys:
http://www.aerotronics.com/experimental_kitpanels.asp
Mickey
>For you guys that went to OSH. I saw, in the pic's from Avweb,
>a very modern looking instrument panel that was really great.
>It was made from f'glass with a center consol and was absolutly
>beautiful. Does anyone know who the manufacturer is." If it come
>through, the pic is the 8th row down at
> http://www.avweb.com/news/osh2004/187826-1.html
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| From: | "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
Paul,
I know the company that made those panels. The company is Aerotronics, Inc.
(406) 259-5006. They make great panels, I know because we do a lot of work
for them including their rocker switches. View
http://engravers.net/main/ac_products.htm to see some of the work we do.
I zoomed in on the lower left corner of the stand to confirm I was right,
see http://engravers.net/temppage.htm for a close up.
Wayne Cahoon
Aircraft Engravers
(860) 653-2780
(860) 653-7324 Fax
http://www.engravers.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Brown" <nightmare@adelphia.net>
Subject: RV-List: Instrument Panel
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Brown" <nightmare@adelphia.net>
>
> For you guys that went to OSH. I saw, in the pic's from Avweb, a very
modern looking instrument panel that was really great. It was made from
f'glass with a center consol and was absolutly beautiful. Does anyone know
who the manufacturer is." If it come through, the pic is the 8th row down at
http://www.avweb.com/news/osh2004/187826-1.html
>
>
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| Subject: | Report on the Trio Autopilot. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
No I have the new LCD screen. I have the upgraded (LCD) screen now. I
started with the original(VFD). And I can tell you the VFD screen is not
readable AT ALL in direct sunlight, the lcd is quite readable in direct
sunlight. As a result of direct feedback from the field, the optional
LCD screen was added, and I immediately upgraded. DO NOT put the VFD in
your RV, put the LCD in there and you will be pleased with the sunlight
results.
Mike
Oh and someone asked about the website. www.trioavionics.com
Enjoy.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
bhuk@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: Report on the Trio Autopilot.
--> RV-List message posted by: bhuk@earthlink.net
Michael,
I'm assuming you have the VFD display on your Trio. Have you seen a
direct comparison
between the VFD and LCD displays?
I'm considering one for my -4.
Thanks,
Bruce Hukari
-
So Ive been flying this Trio Autopilot for several hundred hours now and
I thought I'd give the group an update. Recently they have added some
new features with include a skid ball, and software enhancements. This
is a remarkable little unit. When I look at my panel and the gismo's I
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Wayne,
I have to second your compliments about the nice folks at Aerotronics. At
OSH, I visited their booth and when I said that I loved Billings, they
enthusiastically invited me to come see the factory any time, and were very
clear that they LOVE aviation. Martin spent quite a bit of time with me,
explaining the modular panel for the RV-10 - it was a delight. Excellent
quality workmanship, excellent customer relations.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne @ Aircraft
Engravers
Subject: Re: RV-List: Instrument Panel
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers"
<wayne@engravers.net>
Paul,
I know the company that made those panels. The company is Aerotronics, Inc.
(406) 259-5006. They make great panels, I know because we do a lot of work
for them including their rocker switches. View
http://engravers.net/main/ac_products.htm to see some of the work we do.
I zoomed in on the lower left corner of the stand to confirm I was right,
see http://engravers.net/temppage.htm for a close up.
Wayne Cahoon
Aircraft Engravers
(860) 653-2780
(860) 653-7324 Fax
http://www.engravers.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Brown" <nightmare@adelphia.net>
Subject: RV-List: Instrument Panel
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Brown" <nightmare@adelphia.net>
>
> For you guys that went to OSH. I saw, in the pic's from Avweb, a very
modern looking instrument panel that was really great. It was made from
f'glass with a center consol and was absolutly beautiful. Does anyone know
who the manufacturer is." If it come through, the pic is the 8th row down at
http://www.avweb.com/news/osh2004/187826-1.html
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold Pressure Jitters |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I have a restrictor in mine and dont have any jitters. One of the Bingellis
books recommends this.
Shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: <PGLong@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Manifold Pressure Jitters
> --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
>
> My manifold pressure gage has a bad case of jitters and makes it nearly
> unreadable. I think that if I added a snubber or a plug in the line with a
small
> orifice, that this would settle it done. Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> Pat Long
> PGLong@aol.com
> N120PL
> RV4
> Bay City, Michigan
> 3CM
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slider canopy rails |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Ive seen 3 approaches.
1. Leave it alone. It never really changes.
2. Paint it. Repair chips...........
3. Polish it. Looks really nice.
I havent seen one anodized yet. Should look nice though.
Shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Subject: RV-List: Slider canopy rails
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Hi,
>
> Are people typically getting the canopy rails anodized,
> or doing something else to protect them? Also, what
> about the rear track for the canopy? Seems like anything
> you do to it will rub off eventually...
>
> Thanks,
> Mickey
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold Pressure Jitters |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
I believe if you use only one cylinder for the tap you will get the
"jitters"
If you were to tap the whole manifold it would probably be a little better.
The small orifice is the best answer. Start with a small orifice then
enlarge if required.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Manifold Pressure Jitters
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
> I have a restrictor in mine and dont have any jitters. One of the
Bingellis
> books recommends this.
>
> Shemp
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <PGLong@aol.com>
> To: <Rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Manifold Pressure Jitters
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
> >
> > My manifold pressure gage has a bad case of jitters and makes it nearly
> > unreadable. I think that if I added a snubber or a plug in the line with
a
> small
> > orifice, that this would settle it done. Has anyone else experienced
this?
> >
> > Pat Long
> > PGLong@aol.com
> > N120PL
> > RV4
> > Bay City, Michigan
> > 3CM
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Likewise I can echo the beautiful panels they make, and I spent time
speaking with them at OSH. Nice folks with nice panels.
But...(there is always a but), don't judge a panel by it's front side! Some
of the back sides of those panels are less than attractive, as is the price.
You too can have one of those panels for $20-45K and up! Expect to pay list
retail price for most anything in those panels....you can save a bundle (and
I mean a BIG bundle) by buying your avionics, switches, etc.. yourself and
having them wired up, or (dare I say) doing it yourself!
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cory Emberson
Subject: RE: RV-List: Instrument Panel
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Wayne,
I have to second your compliments about the nice folks at Aerotronics. At
OSH, I visited their booth and when I said that I loved Billings, they
enthusiastically invited me to come see the factory any time, and were very
clear that they LOVE aviation. Martin spent quite a bit of time with me,
explaining the modular panel for the RV-10 - it was a delight. Excellent
quality workmanship, excellent customer relations.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne @ Aircraft
Engravers
Subject: Re: RV-List: Instrument Panel
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers"
<wayne@engravers.net>
Paul,
I know the company that made those panels. The company is Aerotronics, Inc.
(406) 259-5006. They make great panels, I know because we do a lot of work
for them including their rocker switches. View
http://engravers.net/main/ac_products.htm to see some of the work we do.
I zoomed in on the lower left corner of the stand to confirm I was right,
see http://engravers.net/temppage.htm for a close up.
Wayne Cahoon
Aircraft Engravers
(860) 653-2780
(860) 653-7324 Fax
http://www.engravers.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Brown" <nightmare@adelphia.net>
Subject: RV-List: Instrument Panel
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Brown" <nightmare@adelphia.net>
>
> For you guys that went to OSH. I saw, in the pic's from Avweb, a very
modern looking instrument panel that was really great. It was made from
f'glass with a center consol and was absolutly beautiful. Does anyone know
who the manufacturer is." If it come through, the pic is the 8th row down at
http://www.avweb.com/news/osh2004/187826-1.html
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slider canopy rails |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
Hi Mickey,
I had my RV6 canopy side rails anodised in a natural silver and they have
proved very durable. It depends on your paint scheme as to whether you want
to match them or not. I didn't anodise the rear rail as it was in place
earlier, and I certainly wouldn't paint it. If I had the opportunity again,
I would have hard anodised the rear rail as it is scuffing up the alloy
where the nylon block slides across the top.
Cheers
Martin in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: Sam Buchanan Letter in Sport Aviation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Pat Hatch wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>
> Sam,
>
> Congratulations on your excellent letter in the August SA. I think
> you expressed the sentiments of the majority of homebuilders. Thanks
> for setting the record straight!
>
> Pat Hatch
Thanks, Pat!
I haven't received my copy yet so am interested to see how the letter
survived the editor's blue pen. :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Manifold Pressure Jitters |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> The small orifice is the best answer. Start with a small
> orifice then enlarge if required.
>
Also, have the orifice near the cylinder, with some volume of tubing
between the orifice and the sender. This will create the maximum
damping. No big deal if the MAP indication is delayed a second or two.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 509 hours
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
RV FLY-IN PICNIC/CAMPING, western Wisconsin, September 10, 11 and 12.
Details to follow.
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| Subject: | Oregon Aero Seats |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I tried the Oregon Aero seats for my RV6A at Oshkosh and am interested...I
got an e-mail response from OE re upholstery availability, but somehow
deleted the message without fully digesting it.
Can someone who has recently purchased their seats tell me what they cost
you with OE's upholstery?
Thanks.
John n1cxo320@salidaco.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "William Davis" <rvpilot@access4less.net>
Does anybody that went to OSH know if the Continental IO-360 powered RV-10 made
it?
Thanks, Bill , RV-8 Tiger-Kat
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| Subject: | Slider canopy rails |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Both mine are bare naked. Occasionally they get a little attention with the
scotchbrite pad.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mickey Coggins [mailto:mick-matronics@rv8.ch]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:34 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Slider canopy rails
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Hi,
>
> Are people typically getting the canopy rails anodized,
> or doing something else to protect them? Also, what
> about the rear track for the canopy? Seems like anything
> you do to it will rub off eventually...
>
> Thanks,
> Mickey
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
> ============
> Matronics Forums.
> ============
> ============
> ============
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Bill:
No, only the prototype RV10 was there to my knowledge.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
Firewall forward etc
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Davis" <rvpilot@access4less.net>
Subject: RV-List: Oshkosh
> --> RV-List message posted by: "William Davis" <rvpilot@access4less.net>
>
> Does anybody that went to OSH know if the Continental IO-360 powered RV-10
made it?
>
> Thanks, Bill , RV-8 Tiger-Kat
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Jeff is correct, only the original 10 made it. I believe the second one
is O-470 powered, haven't heard of a 360 powered one in the works.
Jeff Point
RV-6- The last RV to leave Oshkosh
Milwaukee WI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oregon Aero Seats |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
When I looked into them last year, they were asking $675 per seat for
fabric upholstery. I would recommend you contact Abby at Flightline
Interiors as she does very good upholstery work, including covering
Oregon Aero seats, for way less than the factory. Oh, and I highly
recommend the seats. Heavy and $$$ but very comfortable.
http://my.execpc.com/~erdmannb/
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold Pressure Jitters |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
I have a "droop loop" with an accumulator/surge chamber (it was an in
line fuel filter in a previous life).
I guess that's not clear to most. I put a droop in the MP line so that
the indicator is higher. The in automotive in line gas filter, at the
low point in the line, provides a place for any fluid to accumulate
and also gives a chamber to collect any pressure surges. I unhook the
filter at annual time and blow it out. Since I did this some years
ago, the MP gage has behaved in a very gentlemanly fashion.
Denis RV-6A, direct read gage.
On Aug 4, 2004, at 3:37 PM, Vic Jacko wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
>
> I believe if you use only one cylinder for the tap you will get the
> "jitters"
>
> If you were to tap the whole manifold it would probably be a little
> better.
>
> The small orifice is the best answer. Start with a small orifice then
> enlarge if required.
>
> Vic
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Manifold Pressure Jitters
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>>
>> I have a restrictor in mine and dont have any jitters. One of the
> Bingellis
>> books recommends this.
>>
>> Shemp
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <PGLong@aol.com>
>> To: <Rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV-List: Manifold Pressure Jitters
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
>>>
>>> My manifold pressure gage has a bad case of jitters and makes it
>>> nearly
>>> unreadable. I think that if I added a snubber or a plug in the line
>>> with
> a
>> small
>>> orifice, that this would settle it done. Has anyone else experienced
> this?
>>>
>>> Pat Long
>>> PGLong@aol.com
>>> N120PL
>>> RV4
>>> Bay City, Michigan
>>> 3CM
>>>
>>> Do Not Archive
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | 3M scotch brite for dremel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Travis Hamblen" <TravisHamblen@cox.net>
I am looking for a source of scotch-brite wheels for my Dremel tool. I
found a guy selling some on e-bay, but dont want a case of 50 of them! Any
good internet sources for these things?
Travis
RV-7A Empennage DONE! (waiting for QB kit to ship)
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| Subject: | Taking apart a rivet gun |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
The trigger on my 3x rivet gun (generic brand) keeps sticking. Makes riveting a
challenge. Any ideas how I can take it apart to clean/fix it?
Don Mack - don@dmack.net - www.dmack.net
do not archive
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| Subject: | 3M scotch brite for dremel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Buy the case of 50...they are invaluable during the rest of the project and
you'll use 'em!
do not archive!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Travis Hamblen
Subject: RV-List: 3M scotch brite for dremel
--> RV-List message posted by: "Travis Hamblen" <TravisHamblen@cox.net>
I am looking for a source of scotch-brite wheels for my Dremel tool. I
found a guy selling some on e-bay, but dont want a case of 50 of them! Any
good internet sources for these things?
Travis
RV-7A Empennage DONE! (waiting for QB kit to ship)
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| Subject: | Re: Slider canopy rails |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 8/4/2004 12:34:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mick-matronics@rv8.ch writes:
Are people typically getting the canopy rails anodized,
or doing something else to protect them? Also, what
about the rear track for the canopy?
=============================
My canopy rails are anodized per MIL-A-8625, Type 2, Class 2 Black and the
rear track and spacer are anodized per MIL-A-8625, Type 2, Class 1 Clear. The
black will fade into a deep violet after a few years, but the clear looks
good as new.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 708 hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: 3M scotch brite for dremel |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Eastham <eastham@netapp.com>
Several of my local OSH hardware stores carry them. They are expensive
though! (~ $10 ?)
I've gotten by with sandpaper disks, myself (and a bench-grinder
scotchbrite, of course...). You can make em at home if you're
cheap like me.
Paul
http://hmb.dyndns.org/~eastham/rv
RV-9A about to start plumbing the fuselage
On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 08:14:15PM -0700, Travis Hamblen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Travis Hamblen" <TravisHamblen@cox.net>
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> I am looking for a source of scotch-brite wheels for my Dremel tool. I
> found a guy selling some on e-bay, but dont want a case of 50 of them! Any
> good internet sources for these things?
>
> Travis
> RV-7A Empennage DONE! (waiting for QB kit to ship)
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| Subject: | Re: Taking apart a rivet gun |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
Just have to ask. Do you use a few drops of oil in it before each use? If
not add a few drops in the male in of the air hose connection on the gun
then work it some to see if the sticking stops.
Cheers!
Karie Daniel
RV-7A Quick Build
Sammamish WA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
Subject: RV-List: Taking apart a rivet gun
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
>
> The trigger on my 3x rivet gun (generic brand) keeps sticking. Makes
riveting a challenge. Any ideas how I can take it apart to clean/fix it?
>
> Don Mack - don@dmack.net - www.dmack.net
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Oregon Aero Seats |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
I have been in the market also and talked to the guys at Classic Aero. The also
have some cool new side panels.
http://www.classicaerodesigns.com/RV79SidePanels.htm
Karie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oregon Aero Seats
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> When I looked into them last year, they were asking $675 per seat for
> fabric upholstery. I would recommend you contact Abby at Flightline
> Interiors as she does very good upholstery work, including covering
> Oregon Aero seats, for way less than the factory. Oh, and I highly
> recommend the seats. Heavy and $$$ but very comfortable.
>
> http://my.execpc.com/~erdmannb/
>
> Jeff Point
> RV-6
> Milwaukee WI
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