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1. 03:14 AM - Re: Red Bondo glazing putty and moisture? (Kevin Horton)
2. 05:14 AM - Cleaning the hanger - items for sale (sjhdcl@kingston.net)
3. 06:28 AM - rtv on canopy frame (Frazier, Vincent A)
4. 06:48 AM - Re: Need a rivet buzzhead (Christopher Stone)
5. 07:05 AM - Lists and groups, Time for a discussion (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
6. 07:07 AM - Re: rtv on canopy frame (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
7. 07:26 AM - Re: Red Bondo glazing putty and moisture? (Christopher Stone)
8. 07:43 AM - Re: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion (Bill VonDane)
9. 07:46 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Tom Gummo)
10. 08:46 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
11. 08:53 AM - RV Builders in UK - London & Farnborough (Charles Rowbotham)
12. 08:57 AM - Hangar for Rent, Kenosha, WI (DJB6A@cs.com)
13. 08:59 AM - Re: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
14. 09:13 AM - Re: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion (Kathleen (rv7))
15. 09:23 AM - Rattle can flat paint (Glen Matejcek)
16. 09:28 AM - ELT antenna (Glen Matejcek)
17. 09:32 AM - trip (Paul Petty)
18. 09:44 AM - Re: rtv on canopy frame (Jim Sears)
19. 10:47 AM - Re: Rattle can flat paint (RV8ter@aol.com)
20. 10:58 AM - Van's now selling Garmin Avionics! (Matthew Brandes)
21. 10:59 AM - Re: rtv on canopy frame (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
22. 11:53 AM - Re: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion (Mickey Coggins)
23. 01:34 PM - UPSAT/IIMorrow GX50 GPS (John DeCuir)
24. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: Oregon Aero Seats (Rick Galati)
25. 02:36 PM - Re: UPSAT/IIMorrow GX50 GPS (Robert Cutter)
26. 02:58 PM - Re: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion (Richard Tasker)
27. 03:13 PM - Auto pilot installation (Al Grajek)
28. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: Re: Oregon Aero Seats (Greg Young)
29. 05:45 PM - Re: Re: Strobe Power Supply Discussion... (HCRV6@aol.com)
30. 06:11 PM - lists was Re: Strobe Power Supply Discussion... (linn walters)
31. 06:48 PM - Re: Auto pilot installation (Sam Buchanan)
32. 07:27 PM - Re: Van's now selling Garmin Avionics! (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
33. 08:57 PM - Re: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion (Richard Sipp)
34. 10:20 PM - Re: rtv on canopy frame (Vanremog@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Red Bondo glazing putty and moisture? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
Thanks for the advice guys. I'll make sure the red stuff has had
several days to cure before it gets paint. I'll use a proper filler
(i.e. West Systems epoxy + filler) in any areas that need thick fixes.
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Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Cleaning the hanger - items for sale |
subaruaircraft@yahoogroups.com, vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
I have several RV items for sale. See website below.
http://members.kingston.net/sjhdcl/Stuff%20for%20Sale/rv_stuff_for_sale.htm
Steve Hurlbut
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| Subject: | rtv on canopy frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Ted,
You can use silicone RTV or Proseal. Paint will stick to ProSeal, not
to RTV.
I used Proseal. Mix it and put it in a baggie, snip a small hole and
use it like a cake icing bag. Mask the areas you don't want Proseal on
then peel the tape after the Proseal is in place. You can do a VERY
neat professional looking job this way.
It also makes the canopy stiffer and eliminates the annoying plexi
squeaks.
Silicone RTV works fine too. Particularly if you don't want to mask
everything... for example if you've already painted everything. Cleans
off safely with isopropyl alcohol before it sets. Just don't get it
where paint will go later or it might cause problems.
Vince Frazier
F-1H Rocket, N540VF
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
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| Subject: | Need a rivet buzzhead |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Michael...
Your math is correct and I believe your assertion that the AK-41h can by replaced
with a -3 solid rivet.
ACS sells the cherry MS blind rivets. So if you are going to use a blind rivit
the Cherry MS would be my choice.
A full complement of data is available at:
https://etaf.textron.com/etaf/Catalogs.jspx
Undwer "catalogs" select blind rivets then Cherry MS rivets.
As you stated in your previous post, you are using the wing root for an oil tank.
Are you adding additionl rivets to the rib/skin joint in this area? In order
for the tanks to remain liquid tight the skin needs to be fastened to the
point where the contents of the tank will not deform the skin between the fasteners
(rivets) thus spacing of rivets is critical.
Chris Stone
-8 wings forever
Newberg, Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Need a rivet buzzhead
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Ok so, if a -3 was designed for the hole, it has a tensile load of
(3.11416*(3/32)sq/4 = .0069029077xxx = 179lbs to deform, .75*179=134lbs
to shear
And the AK-41H is 1360N=306lbs in shear.
Conclusion is that I can easily replace the ak-41h closed end pop rivet
everywhere there is -3 AN rivet?
Someone please verify my math this is VERY important.
Thanks
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Stone
Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a rivet buzzhead
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone
<rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Michael...
The Emhart chart refers to the load (lb) that one of their rivets fail
at in shear and tensile loading.
The 26000-38,000 psi is the yield/ultimate tensile strength of the
material (aluminum) from which the AN rivets are fabricated.
To calculate the strength of a single AN rivet multiply the yield
strength of the material by the cross secional area of the rivet grip.
For a -4 rivet (3.1416 * diameter (squared) divided by 4) = .012272 sq.
in.
Yield strength = 26,000 psi * .012272 sq. in. = 319 Lb. This is the
amount of pull required to begin to deform the rivet. To determine the
load the rivet will break at use the ultimate tensile of 38,000 psi; 466
lb
The above calculations are for pure tensile loads, for shear loads the
rule of thumb is to use 75% of the tensile load values.
All this being said the numbers on the Emhart chart are too high for
aluminum. I assume they base their strength values on the steel mandral,
though I don't know how that would improve tensile strength. If you
look at the Cherry MS rivet chart (Aluminum blind rivit) the -4 tensile
strength is rated at 240 lb. This is consistant with the mechanical
properties of aluminum.
Chris Stone
RV-8 WIngs
Newberg, Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RV-List: Need a rivet buzzhead
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
I have a need to use closed end rivets on 2 rows of wing/skin/ribs on
the underside of my wing near the wing walk area. I have fabricated the
wing walk area plus 2 bays to be a wet wing smoke tank. I have not been
able to find a way to buck these rivets and get the area sealed with
proseal. So I have a need to use the closed end , counter sunk, pop
rivets.
In researching the tensile strength of these ak-41h rivets, the only
table I can find is here: http://www.emhart.com/products/pop/closed2.htm
which shows that the shear/tensile is 1360/1710 respectively. The AN
rivets that is supposed to go in there, according to the ACS catalog,
has a shear/tensile of 26,000/38,000 psi. WOW that is a big difference
if my numbers are right. So my question is, are these numbers right? I
would really like to use the closed end rivets to seal the tank. If I
was only putting in a couple I would not be concerned, but 2 full rib
rows next to each other is another matter.
Your thoughts? Are the AK numbers above accurate? I could use
countersunk cherry's but they don't provide a reliable seal.
Thanks
Michael Stewart
Do not archive this question. But remove for good answers
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| Subject: | Lists and groups, Time for a discussion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
You know, I have been thinking about this for quite some time and I am
very curious about the groups thoughts on this.
The RV-list is a terrific tool, one that I pay to enjoy. But I am a
member of ALL the yahoo groups and I do have my pet peeves about these
groups and lists as a whole.
There is no doubt we will NEVER get the Yahoo groups to do all that we
need, but we MIGHT be able to get Matt to enhance the RV-list for
features we like and issues we have in general. There are some examples
stated before of new cool message boards controllable. I have one on my
chapter website that I maintain at www.eaa690.org
<http://www.eaa690.org/> .
Things I love about the list in priority
1. Kick butt history searchability
2. knowledgeable folks
3. Keeps out the crap (spam, out of office, etc.)
4. Threads
Things I don't like
1. Slow, we need near real time messages
2. No cool easy to use features like Polling, databases, file
storage, calendaring, photo galleries.
3. Lack of focus. I don't like classifieds when there are other
places for that. I don't like to see the same message in 10 places.
The rv community is really growing. We need to support the growth.
Anyway, I thought folks might like to hash this out. Ive been an active
supporter on "the list" for years and I'll bet many of you have some
likes and dislikes that Matt could address. Lets put them on the table
and leap frog towards our goals of the lists and groups(which need to be
defined)
Regards,
Michael Stewart
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| Subject: | Re: rtv on canopy frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jaye and Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
I seem to recall a discussion about RTV and plexiglas a while ago on the
forum. The consensus was that the RTV causes premature crazing or clouding
of the plexiglas, and to stick to proseal.
Scott in Vancouver
back on the forum
RV-6, 150 hours
back in the shop for repairs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Subject: RV-List: rtv on canopy frame
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
>
>
> Ted,
>
> You can use silicone RTV or Proseal. Paint will stick to ProSeal, not
> to RTV.
>
> I used Proseal. Mix it and put it in a baggie, snip a small hole and
> use it like a cake icing bag. Mask the areas you don't want Proseal on
> then peel the tape after the Proseal is in place. You can do a VERY
> neat professional looking job this way.
>
> It also makes the canopy stiffer and eliminates the annoying plexi
> squeaks.
>
> Silicone RTV works fine too. Particularly if you don't want to mask
> everything... for example if you've already painted everything. Cleans
> off safely with isopropyl alcohol before it sets. Just don't get it
> where paint will go later or it might cause problems.
>
> Vince Frazier
> F-1H Rocket, N540VF
> http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Red Bondo glazing putty and moisture? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Kevin...
I have had the same bad experience with "Laquer Spot Putty" or "Spot Glazing Filler"
that is sold at auto supply stores. After about a year or so the paint
on the filled areas begins to bubble and peel. I had this happen with both laquer
and epoxy based paint and matching primers on wood and polyester (fiberglas).
I now use a mixture of epoxy and microballoons, both available at TAP plastics.
20+ years of service and the paint is still perfect over the filled
areas.
Chris Stone
-8 wings...still
Newberg, Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
Subject: RV-List: Red Bondo glazing putty and moisture?
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
I need some advice from any paint experts.
I'm working on my fibreglas parts. I've been using a bit of Bondo UV
activated glazing putty, and a lot of red Bondo Glazing & Spot Putty
(No. 907C) to fill pin holes and other small imperfections. Today I
got an e-mail from the wife of a local RV-6A flyer who told me that
they had used the red Bondo glazing putty on their aircraft - it
looked great at first, but the paint started bubbling about a year
later. Their aircraft is hangared at an airport in the Ottawa area,
so my aircraft will see similar conditions.
I Googled, found a few references to the various Bondo products
absorbing moisture, and that this would eventually cause problems
with corrosion or with the paint. I'm not worried about corrosion on
the fibreglas, but I am worried about the paint.
So, is this only a problem with certain types of paint, or is it a
more general problem? If it is paint specific, which paints are
good, and which are bad? Is it only a problem if there are thick
areas of glazing putty to fill low spots, or are pin holes a problem
too?
What should I do now - can I seal the surface with something to
prevent this from becoming a problem? If so, what would you
recommend?
Thanks for your advice.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Hey Mike...
What are you using to manage your chapter website? It's very nice!
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RV-List: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
You know, I have been thinking about this for quite some time and I am
very curious about the groups thoughts on this.
The RV-list is a terrific tool, one that I pay to enjoy. But I am a
member of ALL the yahoo groups and I do have my pet peeves about these
groups and lists as a whole.
There is no doubt we will NEVER get the Yahoo groups to do all that we
need, but we MIGHT be able to get Matt to enhance the RV-list for
features we like and issues we have in general. There are some examples
stated before of new cool message boards controllable. I have one on my
chapter website that I maintain at www.eaa690.org
<http://www.eaa690.org/> .
Things I love about the list in priority
1. Kick butt history searchability
2. knowledgeable folks
3. Keeps out the crap (spam, out of office, etc.)
4. Threads
Things I don't like
1. Slow, we need near real time messages
2. No cool easy to use features like Polling, databases, file
storage, calendaring, photo galleries.
3. Lack of focus. I don't like classifieds when there are other
places for that. I don't like to see the same message in 10 places.
The rv community is really growing. We need to support the growth.
Anyway, I thought folks might like to hash this out. Ive been an active
supporter on "the list" for years and I'll bet many of you have some
likes and dislikes that Matt could address. Lets put them on the table
and leap frog towards our goals of the lists and groups(which need to be
defined)
Regards,
Michael Stewart
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Just one more "Add a Boy" to Jeff and the OSH crew in the HBC area. Being a
as_hole, I tend to break or bent the rules. The volunteers would ride up on
their carts or baby motorcycles and ask what we were doing. You could see
the look in their eyes that we were breaking a rule, once we explained that
what we were doing would not effect anybody or get in the way, they would
say OK. It is nice to see logic actually work.
Nice meeting you Jeff. Thanks for all the help with getting the truck onto
the campgrounds.
I would like to add one more thing about how the people at OSH. We camped
by an RV-4: N7XD. The RV-4 brought a man and this son; his wife of one
month came commerically. They were really nice people and we enjoyed
camping by them from Sunday to the following Saturday. Sunday morning, the
man and his 13 year old son departed for Texas but the wife stayed to
volunteer to help at the "Awards Program". Late that afternoon, she
commented that he didn't call and that he always did. We got her to call
the local police at home to check on the plane. Later that night, she came
to the tent and said they were dead. What are four guys from Calif going to
do for her in the middle of a now almost empty campground? Anyway, we go a
hold of security and soon a local police car arrived and confirmed the news.
I explained to the policeman that we were in no position to really help her.
He thought for a minute and said the the local police chaplain was helping
out at OSH. Within minutes, the chaplain arrived and took over. While they
worked with her, we took down her tent and packed up all her things. The
chaplian and the police made sure she was not left alone and arranged to get
her to the airlines and get a earier flight home.
Not the way I wanted my first and maybe only trip to OSH to end. But it was
nice to see people caring for people in need.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
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--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 8/6/04 9:46:37 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
T.gummo@verizon.net writes:
> N7XD
Tom,
Such a sad story, but thanks for sharing it with us. We will keep her in our
prayers.
It seems like every year something like this happens, I guess because there
are just an enormous number of aircraft flying to and from OSH. All we can do
is fly as safe as we can, and try to make sure it doesn't happen to us.
Please try to come to terms with it, and come back to OSH next year for a good
time.
Regards,
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (Back from OSH with about 34 hours now.)
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| Subject: | RV Builders in UK - London & Farnborough |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Any builders in the Farnborough London area - will be working out of
Aldershot thru 8/22.
THanks,
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A
download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Hangar for Rent, Kenosha, WI |
--> RV-List message posted by: DJB6A@cs.com
If anyone is looking for a hangar in SE WI, the unit next to one I am renting
is available. It is a 46' x 46', $500/month, good for 2 RV's share the cost.
Contact Todd Hansen at 262-620-1018
Dave Burnham
RV6A (N64FN) - Painting
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| Subject: | Lists and groups, Time for a discussion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Postnuke Content Management System.
It's a bit slow cause I run it from home off my old Toshiba Laptop.
A cool PHP harness that really works great. There are other terrific
examples of this in the RV community to include Kevin Hortons Site.
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
These allow for folks to post their own articles, maintain the calendar,
polls, photo galleries, all kinds of neat stuff that requires no
involvement from the administrator. Its all built in. (well not that
simple, but close)
I put the chapter website on one of the CMS things so that others could
actively manage the site, participate themselves, and I did not have to
update it ever. People submit their own stuff and it becomes it own
living thing that I don't have to be the daily manager of.
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
Subject: Re: RV-List: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Hey Mike...
What are you using to manage your chapter website? It's very nice!
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RV-List: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
You know, I have been thinking about this for quite some time and I am
very curious about the groups thoughts on this.
The RV-list is a terrific tool, one that I pay to enjoy. But I am a
member of ALL the yahoo groups and I do have my pet peeves about these
groups and lists as a whole.
There is no doubt we will NEVER get the Yahoo groups to do all that we
need, but we MIGHT be able to get Matt to enhance the RV-list for
features we like and issues we have in general. There are some examples
stated before of new cool message boards controllable. I have one on my
chapter website that I maintain at www.eaa690.org
<http://www.eaa690.org/> .
Things I love about the list in priority
1. Kick butt history searchability
2. knowledgeable folks
3. Keeps out the crap (spam, out of office, etc.)
4. Threads
Things I don't like
1. Slow, we need near real time messages
2. No cool easy to use features like Polling, databases, file
storage, calendaring, photo galleries.
3. Lack of focus. I don't like classifieds when there are other
places for that. I don't like to see the same message in 10 places.
The rv community is really growing. We need to support the growth.
Anyway, I thought folks might like to hash this out. Ive been an active
supporter on "the list" for years and I'll bet many of you have some
likes and dislikes that Matt could address. Lets put them on the table
and leap frog towards our goals of the lists and groups(which need to be
defined)
Regards,
Michael Stewart
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| Subject: | Lists and groups, Time for a discussion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us>
Michael, I think you are right on target, especially with your list of likes
and don't likes.
Closer to real time would be great. My #2 would be get the advertising into
a separate area. It's a drag to wade through the thinly veiled (and
sometimes more blatant) ads some folks put out. I don't mind the straight
forward, "I'm selling something," but the folks who are running little
business are simply taking advantage of the situation. Having said that,
and in their defense, they don't have a really good option. There should be
a separate posting area for ads so we don't all wade through ads when we
really want to share information.
I think that's about 11 cents worth or am I expecting too much?
Kathleen Evans
Folsom, CA
www.rv7.us
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael
(ISS Atlanta)
Subject: RV-List: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
--> <mstewart@iss.net>
You know, I have been thinking about this for quite some time and I am very
curious about the groups thoughts on this.
The RV-list is a terrific tool, one that I pay to enjoy. But I am a member
of ALL the yahoo groups and I do have my pet peeves about these groups and
lists as a whole.
There is no doubt we will NEVER get the Yahoo groups to do all that we need,
but we MIGHT be able to get Matt to enhance the RV-list for features we like
and issues we have in general. There are some examples stated before of new
cool message boards controllable. I have one on my chapter website that I
maintain at www.eaa690.org <http://www.eaa690.org/> .
Things I love about the list in priority
1. Kick butt history searchability
2. knowledgeable folks
3. Keeps out the crap (spam, out of office, etc.)
4. Threads
Things I don't like
1. Slow, we need near real time messages
2. No cool easy to use features like Polling, databases, file
storage, calendaring, photo galleries.
3. Lack of focus. I don't like classifieds when there are other
places for that. I don't like to see the same message in 10 places.
The rv community is really growing. We need to support the growth.
Anyway, I thought folks might like to hash this out. Ive been an active
supporter on "the list" for years and I'll bet many of you have some likes
and dislikes that Matt could address. Lets put them on the table and leap
frog towards our goals of the lists and groups(which need to be
defined)
Regards,
Michael Stewart
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Rattle can flat paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi All-
A couple things came up at OSH this year that I was encouraged to share
with you guys. The one for this note is that I found a way to get a really
good finish on my panel with rattle cans of epoxy prop paint.
My panel is flat black for a totally utilitarian finish that matches all my
avionics. The problem is that the rattle cans are notorious for uneven
finishes and the occasional small lump or blob to otherwise bugger up a
nice finish. What I've done is put on several coats of paint to build up
some thickness, totally disregarding the details of the finish. When
cured, I wet sand with 400 grit. This gives me a uniform and (physically)
flat surface. I follow this up with grey scothbrite to remove the
scratches left in the paint by the 400 grit paper. I, and everyone who has
looked at it, really like the results. The white scotchbrite is too fine
and will actually burnish the flat paint to a semi-gloss condition. You
might wonder how I know that...
FWIW
Glen
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi All-
Another discovery at OSH this year is that ACK has just come out with a new
ELT antenna that is much shorter than the STD unit and made like a rubber
duckie. Unlike using a rubber duckie though, this one is guaranteed to
meet all applicable specs. I have one on order for my -8 that will be
mounted in the cabin area and hopefully be of more real world utility than
the mounting locations we are typically stuck with.
FWIW
Glen
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Hello,
My name is Paul Petty and I live in central MS. My father-n-law owns a RV8 and
we are planning a trip from central MS to Reno for the air races in September.
We were wondering if there are any of you fine folks that may want to join us
for this trip?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
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| Subject: | Re: rtv on canopy frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
> I seem to recall a discussion about RTV and plexiglas a while ago on the
> forum. The consensus was that the RTV causes premature crazing or clouding
> of the plexiglas, and to stick to proseal.
Maybe so; but, I've seen A&Ps with IAs using clear RTV on windshields, side
windows, etc. of commercially built aircraft with no ill effects for years.
I used the clear on my RV's tip up roll bar to help keep the rain out. So
far, it still looks just fine after about five years. The one drawback is
not being able to paint it.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317
EAA Technical Counselor
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| Subject: | Re: Rattle can flat paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
disregarding all the fun you had repainting and sanding, might it not have been
quicker to just get a cheap spray gun and have painted the thing that way to
begin with and avoided the repainting, sanding, buffing?
just curious.
lucky
do not archive
In a message dated 8/6/2004 12:23:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Glen Matejcek"
<aerobubba@earthlink.net> writes:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>
>Hi All-
>
>A couple things came up at OSH this year that I was encouraged to share
>with you guys. The one for this note is that I found a way to get a really
>good finish on my panel with rattle cans of epoxy prop paint.
>
>My panel is flat black for a totally utilitarian finish that matches all my
>avionics. The problem is that the rattle cans are notorious for uneven
>finishes and the occasional small lump or blob to otherwise bugger up a
>nice finish. What I've done is put on several coats of paint to build up
>some thickness, totally disregarding the details of the finish. When
>cured, I wet sand with 400 grit. This gives me a uniform and (physically)
>flat surface. I follow this up with grey scothbrite to remove the
>scratches left in the paint by the 400 grit paper. I, and everyone who has
>looked at it, really like the results. The white scotchbrite is too fine
>and will actually burnish the flat paint to a semi-gloss condition. You
>might wonder how I know that...
>
>FWIW
>
>Glen
>
>
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| Subject: | Van's now selling Garmin Avionics! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" <matthew@n523rv.com>
Looks like Van's got a deal with Garmin finally. They are even listing
prices on the website!
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?9
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?9&browse=avionics>
&browse=avionics
Matthew Brandes,
Van's RV-9A (Fuselage)
EAA Chapter 868/91/1329
www.n523rv.com <http://www.n523rv.com/>
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| Subject: | Re: rtv on canopy frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jaye and Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
Yes, I think it was the orange, hi-temp RTV that caused the problem. The
"vinegar" smell given off as it cured was what attacked the plexiglass.
I don't think the clear RTV gives off the same smell.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Sears" <sears@searnet.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: rtv on canopy frame
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
>
>
> > I seem to recall a discussion about RTV and plexiglas a while ago on the
> > forum. The consensus was that the RTV causes premature crazing or
clouding
> > of the plexiglas, and to stick to proseal.
>
> Maybe so; but, I've seen A&Ps with IAs using clear RTV on windshields,
side
> windows, etc. of commercially built aircraft with no ill effects for
years.
> I used the clear on my RV's tip up roll bar to help keep the rain out. So
> far, it still looks just fine after about five years. The one drawback is
> not being able to paint it.
>
> Jim Sears in KY
> RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
> RV-7A #70317
> EAA Technical Counselor
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Perhaps I'm a bit old fashioned, I totally prefer
the Matronics lists for two simple reasons:
1) they can be searched, and are indexed by Google;
2) they seem to strip out nasty HTML formatting.
I read the lists via my E-mail program, which is
real easy and fast.
About the slowness - on average it seems like my
messages come in at about the same speed as the
moderated Yahoo lists. If Matronics had a mirror
of the Yahoo lists on their server, so one could
search the list, that would be outstanding.
For all the frilly stuff, perhaps Matronics could
just put up a php nuke or geeklog installation for
the entire community, if someone feels it is needed.
Overall, I don't really see a problem, but like
everything, it could be made better.
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | UPSAT/IIMorrow GX50 GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: John DeCuir <jadecuir@comcast.net>
I'm looking for feedback on the GX50 GPS. I have a IImorrow LORAN, and
I'm getting ready to update to GPS. I've been told that the GX50 slides
right in the loran rack, and the antenna fits the same footprint. What
else is required? I do need the IFR cert.
P.S. , Anybody have a used unit for sale?
P.P.s Are you that have the GX50 or 55R happy with it?
John DeCuir
RV-4
N204CP
Salinas, CA
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Re: Oregon Aero Seats |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Greg,
You may want to contact Oregon Aero for further details. The following is an e-mail
from their spokesman regarding leather being treated for fire resistance.
Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing"
The leather we use is certified to meet the FAA requirements in regards to burn.
It is my understanding that the leather is treated with a fire retardant agent.
Please let me know if you need more information.
Thank You,
Tony Erickson
Oregon Aero, Inc.
Seat Department, R&D
800-888-6910
www.oregonaero.com
RE: Re: Oregon Aero Seats Greg Young (gyoung@cs-sol.com) Thu Aug 05 -
6:47 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>> price....1.1K
per seat. I think the leather Oregon Aero uses > is chemically treated to be
fire resistant and is FAA > approved, so that certainly would contribute to the
cost.
Not really. Your costs lie elsewhere. Leather will inherently pass the burntests
as will 100% wool. No treatment required.Greg
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| Subject: | Re: UPSAT/IIMorrow GX50 GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Cutter" <rcutter@cupower.com>
Several years ago I did a swap of IImorrow LORAN to the GX 55. It was the only
thing they had then.(tells you how long ago) It did slide in with no fuss. The
antenna HAS to be on the top if the aircraft. (ours was) I put this in a T
tail Turbo Lance II and have used it a lot for years. Very pleased and easy to
use. It is IFR enroute but not approach certified. It DOES have to be cert.
for IFR use. The installation was not a problem though. IF you are going to
connect to A/P there had to be a installed on panel to switch between GPS and
NAV. However, all that said, if you are installing in an RV, you might not
have the same requirements. I have read several stories about that. Hope this
helps.
Robert Cutter
RV-4 U/C
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: John DeCuir <jadecuir@comcast.net>
>--> RV-List message posted by: John DeCuir <jadecuir@comcast.net>
>
>I'm looking for feedback on the GX50 GPS. I have a IImorrow LORAN, and
>I'm getting ready to update to GPS. I've been told that the GX50 slides
>right in the loran rack, and the antenna fits the same footprint. What
>else is required? I do need the IFR cert.
> P.S. , Anybody have a used unit for sale?
> P.P.s Are you that have the GX50 or 55R happy with it?
>
>John DeCuir
>RV-4
>N204CP
>Salinas, CA
>
>
Sent via the WebMail system at cupower.com
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| Subject: | Re: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
I second this opinion. I use my email program to look at all the RV
sites that interest me - directing them to one email directory. I keep
all the messages received so that I can do a search locally for recent
items. And if I need to do a search for older material, the Matronics
lists are very easy to use.
Dick Tasker
Mickey Coggins wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>Perhaps I'm a bit old fashioned, I totally prefer
>the Matronics lists for two simple reasons:
>
>1) they can be searched, and are indexed by Google;
>
>2) they seem to strip out nasty HTML formatting.
>
>I read the lists via my E-mail program, which is
>real easy and fast.
>
>About the slowness - on average it seems like my
>messages come in at about the same speed as the
>moderated Yahoo lists. If Matronics had a mirror
>of the Yahoo lists on their server, so one could
>search the list, that would be outstanding.
>
>For all the frilly stuff, perhaps Matronics could
>just put up a php nuke or geeklog installation for
>the entire community, if someone feels it is needed.
>
>Overall, I don't really see a problem, but like
>everything, it could be made better.
>
>Mickey
>
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
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vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
| Subject: | Auto pilot installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
Hi gang:
Does anyone have any pics or info on the how and where the best installation
might be for the aileron servo in an RV8 when installing a Navaid(or other)
Auto pilot?
Thanks in advance!
Al Grajek
RV8-A
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Re: Oregon Aero Seats |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Could be, Oregon Aero deals with everything from Cubs to military so they
may have their reasons. My comments were based on personal experience. Years
ago I was heavily involved in spec'ing materials for seat covers for an
airline. We switched from treated rayon to wool and leather and did a ton of
burn tests. FAR23.853 has been revised some since then but Part 91 aircraft
(us) only have to meet the flame-resistant (para. A) or vertical
self-extinguishing (para. F, if mounted on the firewall) standards either of
which is easily met by any leather or wool we encountered that hadn't been
soaked in kerosene. YMMV.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
> Greg,
>
> You may want to contact Oregon Aero for further details. The
> following is an e-mail from their spokesman regarding leather
> being treated for fire resistance.
>
> Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing"
>
>
> The leather we use is certified to meet the FAA requirements
> in regards to burn. It is my understanding that the leather
> is treated with a fire retardant agent.
>
>
> Please let me know if you need more information.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Tony Erickson
>
> Oregon Aero, Inc.
>
> Seat Department, R&D
>
> 800-888-6910
>
> www.oregonaero.com
>
>
> RE: Re: Oregon Aero Seats Greg Young
> (gyoung@cs-sol.com) Thu Aug 05 - 6:47 AM
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young"
> <gyoung@cs-sol.com>> price....1.1K per seat. I think the
> leather Oregon Aero uses > is chemically treated to be fire
> resistant and is FAA > approved, so that certainly would
> contribute to the cost.
>
>
> Not really. Your costs lie elsewhere. Leather will inherently
> pass the burn tests as will 100% wool. No treatment required. Greg
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe Power Supply Discussion... |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 8/5/04 2:31:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gyoung@cs-sol.com
writes:
<< I don't know how many people subscribe to multiple lists...
> I wish we had just one...
>
> -Bill
>
As do I... Greg >>
Not trying to be a wise ass, but there is a perfectly good single list, it's
called the
RV List. I never have understood why someone building a -8 (or a whatever)
has to have an RV 8 List, and someone else building a -7 has to have an RV 7
List, etc., etc.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, final assembly
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| Subject: | Re: lists was Re: Strobe Power Supply Discussion... |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
HCRV6@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 8/5/04 2:31:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gyoung@cs-sol.com
>writes:
>
><< I don't know how many people subscribe to multiple lists...
> > I wish we had just one...
> >
> > -Bill
> >
>
> As do I... Greg >>
>
>
>Not trying to be a wise ass, but there is a perfectly good single list, it's
>called the RV List. I never have understood why someone building a -8 (or a whatever)
>has to have an RV 8 List, and someone else building a -7 has to have an RV 7
>List, etc., etc.
>
>Do not archive
>
>Harry Crosby
>Pleasanton, California
>RV-6, final assembly
>
Well, I, for one joined the RV list and the RV-10 list because I didn't
want to get 1400 messages a day concerning all the other RV building
questions when I'm interested in the -10. I'm on 4 RV related lists, 2
on Yahoo and 2 Matronics, and that's enough emails thank you very much!
My (just arrived) EAA hotline had the following info:
Van's RV-9/9A Joins 1,000 Club
Van's Aircraft reached another milestone during EAA AirVenture 2004 with
its 1,000th order for an RV-9/9A kit, five years almost to the day after
the first kit was sold. It is Van's fifth models to reach to 1,000
threshold, including the RV-4, RV-6/6A, RV-7/7A and RV-8/8A. About 109
RV-9/9A kits have been completed and flown. "It is just such an easy
airplane to fly, but the performance, even on low power, is positively
exciting," said President Dick VanGrunsven "It is nice to see the
increasing numbers on the flight line at AirVenture." Total kit starts
on all RV models exceeds 12,000. Over 3,700 RVs of all types have been
completed, and the company reports that first flights are averaging more
than one a day.
I find those numbers (12,000 starts and 3700 flying) rather impressive
...... and just think how many questions appeared on those separate
lists!!! That's why there's type-specific RV lists.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Auto pilot installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Al Grajek wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
>
> Hi gang:
> Does anyone have any pics or info on the how and where the best installation
> might be for the aileron servo in an RV8 when installing a Navaid(or other)
> Auto pilot?
> Thanks in advance!
> Al Grajek
> RV8-A
Not saying whether or not this is the best installation for you, but
here is one option that will work well:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/navaid.html
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Van's now selling Garmin Avionics! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Looks expensive too.
The 430 with wire harness is $700 more than I paid for mine(unit and
harness) a year ago from Stark Avionics.
Mike
Do Not Archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Brandes
Subject: RV-List: Van's now selling Garmin Avionics!
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" <matthew@n523rv.com>
Looks like Van's got a deal with Garmin finally. They are even listing
prices on the website!
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?9
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?9&browse=avionics>
&browse=avionics
Matthew Brandes,
Van's RV-9A (Fuselage)
EAA Chapter 868/91/1329
www.n523rv.com <http://www.n523rv.com/>
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Boss, Kahuna,
Will you stop....how do you do it all! You are the single most productive
dude I have ever met.
Dick Sipp
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RV-List: Lists and groups, Time for a discussion
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
> You know, I have been thinking about this for quite some time and I am
> very curious about the groups thoughts on this.
>
> The RV-list is a terrific tool, one that I pay to enjoy. But I am a
> member of ALL the yahoo groups and I do have my pet peeves about these
> groups and lists as a whole.
>
>
> There is no doubt we will NEVER get the Yahoo groups to do all that we
> need, but we MIGHT be able to get Matt to enhance the RV-list for
> features we like and issues we have in general. There are some examples
> stated before of new cool message boards controllable. I have one on my
> chapter website that I maintain at www.eaa690.org
> <http://www.eaa690.org/> .
>
>
> Things I love about the list in priority
>
> 1. Kick butt history searchability
> 2. knowledgeable folks
> 3. Keeps out the crap (spam, out of office, etc.)
> 4. Threads
>
>
> Things I don't like
>
> 1. Slow, we need near real time messages
> 2. No cool easy to use features like Polling, databases, file
> storage, calendaring, photo galleries.
> 3. Lack of focus. I don't like classifieds when there are other
> places for that. I don't like to see the same message in 10 places.
>
>
> The rv community is really growing. We need to support the growth.
>
>
> Anyway, I thought folks might like to hash this out. Ive been an active
> supporter on "the list" for years and I'll bet many of you have some
> likes and dislikes that Matt could address. Lets put them on the table
> and leap frog towards our goals of the lists and groups(which need to be
> defined)
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Stewart
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rtv on canopy frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 8/6/2004 10:59:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jayeandscott@telus.net writes:
Yes, I think it was the orange, hi-temp RTV that caused the problem. The
"vinegar" smell given off as it cured was what attacked the Plexiglas.
I don't think the clear RTV gives off the same smell.
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The vinegar smell is really the aroma of acetic acid given off during the
cure cycle of "normal" commercial RTVs. Electronics grade RTVs don't cure the
same way chemically. RTV162 is one such electronics grade RTV, but it is
white. I believe there are a few clear ones out there that are electronics
grade, so I would recommend checking the GE and Dow Corning websites.
I believe that I used some Dow Corning 3150 that I had laying around for
edging around the perimeter of my canopy glass. It is clear, low viscosity and
worked well. Lexel works well also.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 708 hrs)
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