---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/08/04: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:22 AM - Tool/Part Garage Sale... (Alfred Klewin) 2. 07:41 AM - Re: ACK Rubber Ducky ELT Antenna (Glen Matejcek) 3. 07:50 AM - Re: (RVEIGHTA@aol.com) 4. 08:28 AM - Re: where to buy elastic pockets? (Jim Cimino) 5. 08:39 AM - Brain box mount EFIS ONE (Matt Jurotich) 6. 09:46 AM - Cool RV pics source (Brian Denk) 7. 10:53 AM - Re: Short trip - great plane (JusCash@aol.com) 8. 02:35 PM - Super 7 engine mount! (Scott Solberg) 9. 03:28 PM - Re: Super 7 engine mount! (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 10. 05:20 PM - Anodize Panel? (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 11. 06:05 PM - Respirator wanted to buy (Jordan Grant) 12. 06:21 PM - Stuff for Sale (Steve & Denise) 13. 06:35 PM - Re: Respirator wanted to buy (linn walters) 14. 06:57 PM - Re: Respirator wanted to buy (John Ammeter) 15. 07:26 PM - Re: Respirator wanted to buy (linn walters) 16. 07:37 PM - LED Navigation Light Project (RV-7A Builder) 17. 07:54 PM - Respirators (Craig Warner) 18. 08:42 PM - Re: LED Navigation Light Project (Scott Vanartsdalen) 19. 08:57 PM - Re: Respirator wanted to buy (Robin Wessel) 20. 09:13 PM - How to make a fresh air respirator (Richard Scott) 21. 11:11 PM - Re: Re: Respirator wanted to buy (Jaye and Scott Jackson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:11 AM PST US From: Alfred Klewin Subject: RV-List: Tool/Part Garage Sale... --> RV-List message posted by: Alfred Klewin OK...cleaning out the shop again...if you find use for any of the listed items drop me a line off list....thanks... 1. Air Tool Regulator (Avery #150/List: $14): $8 2. Eng. Acc. Case Cover Plate (Vans list $23): $10 3. Hole Flanging Tool (Avery #1041/$12.50): $7 4. Plexi Scraper (Avery $10): $5 5. Sparkplug "Plugmaster Flex Handle Ratchet"/ 3/8 in drive: (List $65.95): $40 6. 40R USAF Nomex Flight Suit: $20 7. Spring Tube Bending Set (Avery $10): $5 8. 18 Yrs of RVAtor Book: $15 9. GPS Cable (List 1.95/ft): 8 ft for $10 10. Engine Log Book (hardcover): $7 11. 37 issues of RVator 1996, 1998-2003: $10 12. Vert Card Compass Mount (PACMO-U) list $23: $10 13. "Experimental" in White Letters (3in, script print): $10 14. 3 in Duct Flange Alum: $5 15. CH Products Joystick: $20 16. Nutsert Tool (Hi-Torque, with converter kit and nutserts, List $44.95/+14.95) ALL: $25 17. Century 2000 autopilot install video: $5 18. Loose Cotton Buffing Wheel (for bench grinder): $3 for both 19. Center Rollerover bar brace for RV-6A (WD-643-SS-PC): $10 Thanks.... Kurt in OKC Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:54 AM PST US From: "Glen Matejcek" Subject: RV-List: Re: ACK Rubber Ducky ELT Antenna --> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" So this package arrived from Ameri-King yesterday.... I believe I wrote that I learned of the antenna at OSH, not that I saw it. A manager at Pacific Coast Avionics told me about the new antenna. When I got home, I called ACK. 'Carol' said 'sure, $36'. What showed up is a black plastic coated wire antenna 13" long and 3/32 dia with a surface mount and raked about 20 degrees or so. P/N 450017. While it turns out that it isn't really a rubber duckie, it will still meet my needs for an under-canopy antenna, and might even be better than the rubber duckie due to the sweep angle. YMMV Glen Time: 07:59:52 PM PST US From: "Charles E. Brame" Subject: RV-List: Re: ACK Rubber Ducky ELT Antenna --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles E. Brame" So much for ACK rubber ducky elt antennas. Charlie -------- Original Message -------- >From: "ACK Technology" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Rubber Ducky ELT Antenna > >Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:38:28 -0700 > >We don't have a rubber ducky type antenna. Must be someone else. > >ACK Customer Support > ------------------------------------------------ >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Charles E. Brame" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 2:57 PM >>Subject: Rubber Ducky ELT Antenna >> >> I understand that you showed a new Rubber Ducky style ELT antenna at >> Oskosh. If so, where can I order one? >> >> Charlie Brame >> RV-6A N11CB >> San Antonio >> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:02 AM PST US From: RVEIGHTA@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: --> RV-List message posted by: RVEIGHTA@aol.com Dave, I might be interested in your RV-7 project. Please email me the details ( location, askiing price, etc.) Thanks, Walt Shipley RV-8A N314TS ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:45 AM PST US From: "Jim Cimino" Subject: Re: RV-List: where to buy elastic pockets? --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" I know Cleveland makes them to order and they do nice work. James Cimino RV-8 SN 80039 100+ Hours 570-842-4057 http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boyce, Ph.D." Subject: RV-List: where to buy elastic pockets? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Boyce, Ph.D." > > For my newly minted RV-7A, I thought I would be able to find elastic storage > pockets at Oshkosh. But I came away empty. I'm looking for the kind I can > attach to the side fuselage under the panel and also in the baggage area, to > keep pens, maps, etc. > > Anybody know where I can get these? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:20 AM PST US From: Matt Jurotich Subject: RV-List: Brain box mount EFIS ONE --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich I am redoing the panel in my RV 6A and have yet to find a "good" place to mount brain box for the Blue mountain EFIS One. Anybody out there with an installed box and maybe some pictures? Thanks Matthew M. Jurotich NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center JWST ISIM Systems Engineer m/c : 443 e-mail mailto: mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov phone : 301-286-5919 fax : 301-286-7021 JWST URL: ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:44 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RV-List: Cool RV pics source --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" Listers, I was searching for a friend's airliner he's been flying and noticed that airliners.net also has pics of all kinds of other aircraft in their database. I found 14 pages of RV's, many of which are of non-USA registry. Kinda neat to see how the RV community has spread across the planet! Go to http://www.airliners.net/search/ and search for Vans in the "aircraft type" window. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD flying 4 years. RV10 '51 tailcone riveting. Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:43 AM PST US From: JusCash@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Short trip - great plane --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com Thanks Scott, I'm going to fly up and check them out today. Cash In a message dated 8/7/2004 9:25:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, svanarts@yahoo.com writes: --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen About $25. Yikes! That's pricey for us Oakdale boys. I mentioned to the guys in the parking garage that they ought to pick people up at the airport. They said, "You mean people would actually fly here just to gamble?" Uh...yeah. I'm going to email the casino and suggest it. Couldn't hurt if others did the same. I'm not a gambler but I like to see aiports prosper. I think it would do wonders for Westover's fuel sales if the casino offered free rides to and from the airport. JusCash@aol.com wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com How much was the cab fare to the Casino? I've been looking for a Casino in Northern California with an airport nearby. Cash Copeland Hayward, Ca -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! When a man does all he can though it succeeds not well, blame not him that did it." -- George Washington ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:37 PM PST US From: "Scott Solberg" Subject: RV-List: Super 7 engine mount! --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Solberg" Does anyone know how to get in touch with Boyd C. Braem? He built a Super 6 and I am building a Super 7 and need some information about the engine mount design. Thanks! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:28 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Super 7 engine mount! From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Scott I found several possible hits: 1, his e-mail might be bcbraem@comcast.net from Dec 03 There is an MD in Fl. And I know he is from Florida. Might be him. BOYD C BRAEM MD 6813 S TAMIAMI TRL, SARASOTA, FL (941) 923-5861 PHYSICIANS & SURGEONS. How many BOYD C BRAEM's can there be in Florida? Looks like he is a member of http://www.eaa1285.org/ where there are some photo's of his Super 6 in Venice, Fl. This ought to get you rolling Scott. Mike Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Solberg Subject: RV-List: Super 7 engine mount! --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Solberg" Does anyone know how to get in touch with Boyd C. Braem? He built a Super 6 and I am building a Super 7 and need some information about the engine mount design. Thanks! == == == == ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:08 PM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Anodize Panel? --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Anyone here have their panel anodized? Good idea, bad idea? Thanx, Jerry Cochran In a message dated 8/7/2004 11:59:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:14:34 AM PST US From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Cost of Powder coating --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" my local shop did my mountain bike frame and forks in two colors for 80 bucks......get another quote. Evan ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:00 PM PST US From: "Jordan Grant" Subject: RV-List: Respirator wanted to buy --> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" I'm looking to buy a used Hobbyair or equivalent respirator system to use for painting. Contact me at gra9933@bellsouth.net if you have one you'd like to part with, or know of someone. Thanks, Jordan Grant RV-6 in the new workshop - getting ready for paint!! ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:42 PM PST US From: "Steve & Denise" "Subaru List" , "Rv7/7A List" , "RV List" , "Experimental Avionics" Subject: RV-List: Stuff for Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" A few items still for sale. I have a Hobbs meter for sale again since the buyer decided not to get it. http://members.kingston.net/sjhdcl/Stuff%20for%20Sale/rv_stuff_for_sale.htm do not archive Steve Hurlbut ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:56 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Respirator wanted to buy --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Jordan Grant wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" > >I'm looking to buy a used Hobbyair or equivalent respirator system to use >for painting. Contact me at gra9933@bellsouth.net if you have one you'd like >to part with, or know of someone. > >Thanks, > Jordan Grant > RV-6 in the new workshop - getting ready for paint!! > Let me preface my note with the fact that I've never used the Hobbyair system, but I did look at it closely. I decided against it because of the hose and the mobility. Getting around the workpiece in your paint booth is hard enough with an air hose for the paint gun. Even more so using the turbine HVLP system. I bought a good 3m (I think) 2 stage respirator that has both a solids and carbon filter. I also placed good air conditioning elements in the back of my booth, and a large fan in the front. This gives me good cross-ventilation and keeps all the nasties out of my lungs. Hopefully you'll hear from someone who has actually used the unit and can comment on whether it was worth the cost. 'Course if they're selling theirs ...... ;-) YMMV Linn > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:28 PM PST US From: John Ammeter Subject: Re: RV-List: Respirator wanted to buy --> RV-List message posted by: John Ammeter On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:30:31 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > >Jordan Grant wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" >> >>I'm looking to buy a used Hobbyair or equivalent respirator system to use >>for painting. Contact me at gra9933@bellsouth.net if you have one you'd like >>to part with, or know of someone. >> >>Thanks, >> Jordan Grant >> RV-6 in the new workshop - getting ready for paint!! >> > >Let me preface my note with the fact that I've never used the Hobbyair >system, but I did look at it closely. I decided against it because of >the hose and the mobility. Getting around the workpiece in your paint >booth is hard enough with an air hose for the paint gun. Even more so >using the turbine HVLP system. I bought a good 3m (I think) 2 stage >respirator that has both a solids and carbon filter. I also placed good >air conditioning elements in the back of my booth, and a large fan in >the front. This gives me good cross-ventilation and keeps all the >nasties out of my lungs. >Hopefully you'll hear from someone who has actually used the unit and >can comment on whether it was worth the cost. 'Course if they're >selling theirs ...... ;-) >YMMV >Linn > My experience was with the two part urethane paint and I used that type of respirator... 2 stage filter. I also was "high as a kite" for about an hour or so after painting only the interior of the cockpit. I was told, later, that there are chemicals/gases that are not filtered by that type of respirator that can kill you... I'd recommend living, pun intended, with the inconvience of dragging that hose around the shop... John ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:05 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Respirator wanted to buy --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters John Ammeter wrote: >My experience was with the two part urethane paint and I >used that type of respirator... 2 stage filter. I also was >"high as a kite" for about an hour or so after painting only >the interior of the cockpit. > >I was told, later, that there are chemicals/gases that are >not filtered by that type of respirator that can kill you... > >I'd recommend living, pun intended, with the inconvience of >dragging that hose around the shop... > >John > I find that most interesting. The 2-part urethanes don't have a lot of volatiles (thinner) in them and the carbon filter should have taken care of any reducers you added. If the carbon filters lay around for a while they will become saturated with normal atmospheric gasses and become almost useless. I have painted quite a lot of urethanes (no, painting isn't my profession) with no problems whatsoever with a good 2-part respirator .... well, none that are apparent anyway! :-) . Then again my paint booth is well ventilated. Your caution is well taken, and anyone using urethane paints should make sure that their respirator is capable of handling that medium. Urethanes aren't to be trifled with as the solids become a permanent part of your lungs when inhaled. I know of two cases where painters have died from repeated exposures to urethane paints over a long period of time ..... both deaths resulted from lack of a respirator of any type. If you have some reservations about the 2-part respirator ..... by all means use the fresh-air (Hobbyair) system ..... better safe than sorry. Linn > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:34 PM PST US From: "RV-7A Builder" Subject: RV-List: LED Navigation Light Project --> RV-List message posted by: "RV-7A Builder" Here's an update for all interested parties..... http://www.jeffsrv7a.com/LEDPROJECT.htm Jeff ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:30 PM PST US From: "Craig Warner" Subject: RV-List: Respirators --> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Warner" At Oshkosh this year I heard the best explanation of the need for a fresh air breathing system. The Tech support guy for Poly Fiber(sorry I don't remember his name) explained it this way. Everybody has a tea cup attached to their hip. Everybody's cup is a different size. When the toxins from spraying paint enter your body through, lungs, eyes and skin, it remains in your liver and kidney forever. What you absorb when your 20 will be there when your 90. When your tea cup gets full you get sick. That is why some people get a reaction the first time they are exposed (small tea cup) others never are affected (big cup). The bottom line is nobody knows how much exposure is too much for them ( cup size). After having painted 3 RV's and not knowing what level my personnel cup was I decided to spend $400 for a Hoby-air with a full hood . He also stated that a charcoal respirator will not absorb the cyanide contained in the hardener for the newer acrylic paints. Best regards Craig Warner N2851P ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:45 PM PST US From: Scott Vanartsdalen Subject: Re: RV-List: LED Navigation Light Project --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen Impressive! RV-7A Builder wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "RV-7A Builder" Here's an update for all interested parties..... http://www.jeffsrv7a.com/LEDPROJECT.htm Jeff -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! When a man does all he can though it succeeds not well, blame not him that did it." -- George Washington ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:53 PM PST US From: "Robin Wessel" Subject: RV-List: Re: Respirator wanted to buy --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Wessel" I considered buying the hobby air system with the hooded mask option. For $400 it is overpriced. Here is what I did: -Bought a Bullard hood (the same make and model as what Hobby air resells) for $40. You can find them on e-bay or at most safety supply stores. -Bought non-self sealing garden hose disconnects from Home Depot for $5. This is exactly what Hobby Air uses -Connected them to a section of corrugated hose from Vans or a garden hose $0. Similar to what Hobby air uses -Bought a small portable wet/dry vac from home depot to use as the air source $25. Plenty of other uses of course -Bought a router speed control from Harbor freight on sale for $12.99 to control the vac=92s speed. -Found some old printer transparencies an cut them to shape to act as protectors for the hood $0. After plugging this all together, the entire system works great! The last plane I painted, I used a regular mask connected to the system w/out air eye protection. I would highly recommend that your eyes are protected with fresh air as the paint will definitely irritate them. So for well under $100 I have a system that performs equally as well as the $400 hobby air. Robin Wessel RV-10 wings Tigard, OR --- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:14 PM PST US From: Richard Scott Subject: RV-List: How to make a fresh air respirator --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott This system costs less than $120 and gives you filtered air from a remote location, similar to a Hobby Air. 1. Get a small shop vac called "The Stinger" from Home Depot for about $28. Use it only for your respirator. 2. Get a Tyvek painting hood from an auto paint supplier for about $28. 3. Get a swimming pool vacuum hose, 1.5" diameter, about $40-50, a little less in the fall when business slows. I bought 50 feet, it is also sold in 40 ft. lengths; Hobby Air uses 40 ft. 4. Pick up a belt clip from your hardware store's key section and a hose clamp for your pool hose. Take the small orange attachment from the shop vac and cut off the spreader portion, saving the round tube portion. This is your adapter you will use to mate the pool hose to the shop vac hose. Connect the pool hose to the shop vac hose and the hood, but making sure you use the end that swivels for the spray hood. Attach the belt clip to the pool hose near the hood with a zip tie. Take an old baseball cap and cut off the bill. Attach that to the inside of the hood with a couple safety pins or whatever such that it your head movements. Put a belt around your chest and use the belt clip to keep the hose weight from pulling on the hood. Locate the vac in a safe location & spray away! Be sure to be aware of any changes in the wind. Notes: 1. If you try to go cheap & use 1 1/4" pool hose it will set up a howl that earplugs won't even begin to deal with. The larger diameter hose reduces the velocity & removes the howl. However, a fellow builder did go with the smaller hose and reports that placing an old 35mm film can in the hose slowed the air enough to quiet the howl. I have not tried this. The 1 1/4" hose will connect directly to the shop vac hose without the adapter. 2. I have not tried the baseball cap thing yet. I have used the system without it and as I tilt my head up or down the hood does not follow. So far, I have always had a free hand to adjust the hood as necessary, but I do intend to try the baseball cap thing, just haven't needed to yet. 3. There are peel off lenses available for the hood. Some paint suppliers carry them, some don't, some that do only sell them in a package , rather than individually. You may have to cough up ~ $25 for a package of them. Richard Scott RV-9A Emp almost done ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:23 PM PST US From: "Jaye and Scott Jackson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Respirator wanted to buy --> RV-List message posted by: "Jaye and Scott Jackson" Almost exactly the system that I cobbled up to spray Dupont Imron on my RV. I used the blower from a Campbell-Hausfield HVLP cheapo plastic gun, coupled to crush-proof black plastic water line for outdoor ponds, tywrapped into a disposable painter's hood. The small hose diameter does indeed cause the air to generate a roaring sound, easily tamed with foamy earplugs. Works so well, can't fog the window on the hood no matter how hard I hyperventilate( do that a lot as the sags start) nor can I taste what I had for supper when I belch... Scott in VAncouver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Wessel" Subject: RV-List: Re: Respirator wanted to buy > --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Wessel" > > I considered buying the hobby air system with the hooded mask option. For > $400 it is overpriced. Here is what I did: > > > -Bought a Bullard hood (the same make and model as what Hobby air resells) > for $40. You can find them on e-bay or at most safety supply stores. > > -Bought non-self sealing garden hose disconnects from Home Depot for $5. > This is exactly what Hobby Air uses > > -Connected them to a section of corrugated hose from Vans or a garden hose > $0. Similar to what Hobby air uses > > -Bought a small portable wet/dry vac from home depot to use as the air > source $25. Plenty of other uses of course > > -Bought a router speed control from Harbor freight on sale for $12.99 to > control the vac=92s speed. > > -Found some old printer transparencies an cut them to shape to act as > protectors for the hood $0. > > > After plugging this all together, the entire system works great! The last > plane I painted, I used a regular mask connected to the system w/out air eye > protection. I would highly recommend that your eyes are protected with fresh > air as the paint will definitely irritate them. > > > So for well under $100 I have a system that performs equally as well as the > $400 hobby air. > > > Robin Wessel > > RV-10 wings > > Tigard, OR > > > --- > >