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1. 04:10 AM - Re: Auto Pilots and servos (Dana Overall)
2. 04:43 AM - Re: facet electric fuel (boost) pump ? malfunction (Bob 1)
3. 05:36 AM - Re: Matco Parking brake Lock-up? (Bob 1)
4. 05:41 AM - Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia (Jamie Painter)
5. 06:03 AM - Re: Auto Pilots and servos (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
6. 06:22 AM - No screws spinner (RGray67968@aol.com)
7. 06:25 AM - No Screws Spinner (RGray67968@aol.com)
8. 06:34 AM - Re: Matco Parking brake Lock-up? (Gary Zilik)
9. 06:38 AM - Re: Matco Parking brake Lock-up? (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
10. 08:25 AM - Re: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia (Scott Vanartsdalen)
11. 08:33 AM - Re: Auto Pilots and servos (Jeff Dowling)
12. 08:35 AM - Re: Auto Pilots and servos (Jeff Dowling)
13. 10:03 AM - Emergency Parachutes (Donald Mei)
14. 10:38 AM - WANTED RV 7 (Doug Brinlee)
15. 11:03 AM - Re: WANTED RV 7 (Gary Zilik)
16. 11:21 AM - Re: WANTED RV 7 (Doug Brinlee)
17. 11:32 AM - compass wanted (Chuck Weyant)
18. 11:33 AM - Re: CS vs FP props (RV_8 Pilot)
19. 11:33 AM - Re: WANTED RV 7 (Scott Vanartsdalen)
20. 11:38 AM - 46 States in 36 Days - Trip Stats (Wheeler North)
21. 11:44 AM - Emergency Parachutes (RV_8 Pilot)
22. 12:12 PM - Re: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia (James E. Clark)
23. 12:37 PM - Re-Subscribe (Stan & Eilene)
24. 12:50 PM - Re: Emergency Parachutes (N223RV@aol.com)
25. 01:02 PM - Re: Emergency Parachutes (Brian Denk)
26. 01:22 PM - Re: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia (Scott Bilinski)
27. 01:43 PM - Re: Emergency Parachutes (Scott Bilinski)
28. 01:50 PM - Re: compass wanted (Jeff Orear)
29. 02:01 PM - Sept 11, 2004 -RV Forum, 10th Annual Oswego CO, KFZY (RV6160hp@aol.com)
30. 02:02 PM - Re: 46 States in 36 Days - Trip Stats (tacaruth@ralcorp.com)
31. 02:14 PM - Re: Emergency Parachutes (Brian Denk)
32. 02:41 PM - Re: Sept 11, 2004 -RV Forum, 10th Annual Oswego CO, (Scott Bilinski)
33. 03:09 PM - Re: Emergency Parachutes (linn walters)
34. 03:24 PM - Re: Emergency Parachutes (Randy Compton)
35. 04:32 PM - Re: Sept 11, 2004 -RV Forum, 10th Annual Oswego CO, KFZY (RV6160hp@aol.com)
36. 04:38 PM - Re: Sept 11, 2004 -RV Forum, 10th Annual Oswego CO, KFZY (RGray67968@aol.com)
37. 06:54 PM - Re: Matco Parking brake Lock-up? (Curt Reimer)
38. 07:23 PM - Re: Matco Parking brake Lock-up? (Charlie England)
39. 08:00 PM - Re: Emergency Parachutes (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
40. 08:10 PM - Re: Emergency Parachutes (Sam Buchanan)
41. 08:17 PM - Re: Emergency Parachutes (Mike Nellis)
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| Subject: | Auto Pilots and servos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>From: "Tim Bryan" <rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
>
>Now the questions: There has been lots of talk regarding all the options
>of
>autopilots and very little regarding the S-tec. I can presume probably due
>to the cost.
Tim, I had a S-Tec in my Bonanza and I can say hands down the available
autopilots in the experimental arena outfly the S-Tec hands down. Remember,
the technology used by S-Tec is very old technology compared to the solid
state avenue available to the manufacturers such as TruTrak and Trio
Avionics. Just a little insight into the S-Tec/experimental autopilots
comparison.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: facet electric fuel (boost) pump ? malfunction |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a@comcast.net>
com>
>
> Just be sure you are getting the pump with aviation fittings.
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
===================================
Why couldn't the fittings from the previous pump be re-used?
Bob
do not archive
====================================
> > Check your local auto supply stores for a replacement.
> >
> >
> > Bob - sales tax should be cheaper than $19.95 S&H +
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Parking brake Lock-up? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a@comcast.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Todd Bartrim" <haywire@telus.net>
>
> OK, so we have no answer as to why, but a few horror stories about real
bad
> landings caused by stuck brakes. I'm guessing that many of these have been
> sold and found their way into RV's. How about a few comment's from those
> that have 'em & no problems?
=================================================
Todd,
I'm no Matco parking brake expert, BUT -
After 50 years of flight, I just keep in mind that.....
1. A thousand "Atta' Boys" cancel out with one "OH SH*T" !!!
2. Murphy's Law prevails and is doubly to the point for aviation....
<<<< IF IT CAN FAIL, IT WILL >>>>
3. KISS is another biggie that applies - Keep It Simple Stoopid !!!
4. YMMV, but may become less likely over the 'long haul'.
Bob -
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| Subject: | Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
So, what do you do if you're a long way from home, low and fuel and lost in
MVFR/IMC? Well, land on a highway, of course. Good to see that he walked
away with very little damage to his plane. The write-up is also pretty good
and doesn't take the usual media approach of representing GA as a disaster
waiting to happen.
http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=2161788&nav=5kZQPoOF
Thought it may be of interest to RV builders/flyers to help us avoid having to
make the same decision.
do not archive
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Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Auto Pilots and servos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I have absolutely nothing to ad to except one thing.
Everything Sam said is exactly correct as usual. So just add to your
notes that 2 people on the list agreed on something which in and of
itself is worth noting.
s-tec is junk compared to any of the modern experimental jobbers.
Heading bug DG's are a thing of the past. Fahgetaboutit!.
Trio's Ezpilot and Altrak's alt. hold are the combination to beat in the
market today for price/feature IMHO.
(ok I had a couple things to add.)
Mike Stewart
Do not archive
There are a few write-ups from me in the list on this combination after
flying others
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Subject: Re: RV-List: Auto Pilots and servos
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan"
<rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
Thanks Sam and others. I have a couple of questions.
The EZPilot (II) has a built in course for setting a track. Does this
mean
the heading bug would not be a factor?
Do I recall others to say they prefer the LCD display with out canopies?
With the Altrak is the Trim Sensing (TS) a worthwhile add on?
Where can I confirm the data stream from my GPS (GX60) is compatible?
Seems I heard about some kits for specific install in RV's. Is this so
with
either of these?
Thanks
Tim
-------Original Message-------
From: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Auto Pilots and servos
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Tim Bryan wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan"
<rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
<snip>
> Now the questions: There has been lots of talk regarding all the
options
of
> autopilots and very little regarding the S-tec. I can presume
probably
due
> to the cost. I have not installed any servos or anything and probably
won
t
> until after I fly (This Year!) Is there some concensus on using any
> specific auto pilot rather than s-tec? Is this strictly a cost issue
or
are
> there other reasons? I definately want Alt. Hold. I don't have room
in
my
> panel to add other than to hopefully just replace the TC. (as planned)
Tim,
The Navaid, EZ-Pilot, and TruTrak autopilots each can be installed in
lieu of a turn coordinator. TruTrak offers autopilots with altitude hold
or you can go with the feature-packed EZ-Pilot and add the AlTrak from
TruTrak. The AlTrak only requires one hole in the panel for the switch.
Scroll down this page to see the EZ-Pilot and AlTrak in the panel of my
RV-6:
http://thervjournal.com
>
> Also, I have heard about the servos being somewhat interchangeable as
well
> between Navaid, etc. What are the limitations here? Should I
absolutely
> add some wire or changes to what I have done to accomodate adding an
> autopilot later?
You can add the autopilot later without much additional work. The servos
are often added to flying aircraft and the wiring requirements are
minimal. All you will need from your avionics is a NMEA data feed which
is one wire unless you also slave the autopilot to a VOR/ILS receiver.
You will find an autopilot will quickly become one of your favorite
devices in the panel of your RV. There is a ton of info in the list
archives on the various autopilot systems, and most manufacturer's
websites have installation/user manuals you can download.
Sam Buchanan
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | No screws spinner |
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
Hi Dan,
Couldn't find much in the archives but I had an 'old' message from Mr.
Springer (on the list) which helped, plus I gave him a call. Actually, it's pretty
easy to make the 'NO VISIBLE SCREWS' spinner - yes, you mount it from the back
with the top half of the cowl removed:
1-take the spinner and make the cutouts for the prop root.
2-rough up the area above where the REAR bulkhead fits inside the spinner.
3-tape the REAR bulkhead with some packing tape for a mold release trying to
avoid any wrinkles or use a mold release.
4-fit the REAR bulkhead to the spinner
5-lay up about 4 layers of the 8.9 oz cloth to make a 'shelf' above the
bulkhead. You'll have a 90deg turn - some of the glass will attach to the inside
of
the spinner and the rest will lay on the bulkhead which is your form. Do this
for both sides of the cutouts extending past the cutout for a full 'shelf' on
both sides.
6-When cured, remove the bulkhead and trim the 'shelf' leaving about a 1"
shelf all the way around (except for the cutouts...obviously).
7-Drill for platenuts - I used platenuts for AN3-5A bolts......6 on each side.
8-Make your little covers for behind the prop root and attach to the rear
bulkhead - I used .063 aluminum to match the spinner thickness.
9--Paint
10-Mount the spinner and go flying.
My old spinner had 24 screws. I'm real happy with the new spinner, nice and
smooth with no screws to wax around. Plus people ask...."hey, how'd ya' do
that?"
Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - thanks to Jerry Springer for helping
me with this and to Mike Stewart for convincing me that 'I NEEDED ONE'! Yes,
it worth it!!
archive this one cause there is nothing in there to tell you how to do
it.....grin!!
> -I made my new spinner with NO visible screws cause Mike Stewart told me
"I
> had to" (thanks Mike....buddy). This took me 6 days but now that it's done
I'm
> real happy with it.
Duuuuuude...please enlighten us as to how to keep the fasteners out of
sight! Did you use piano hinges? Just kidding...but what's your method?
I assume screws through the back of the spinner bulkhead or something?
Would love to see pics.
Glad you're enjoying your new prop. I wouldn't even *think* about using a
fixed pitch prop on a high performance aircraft! (flame on)
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | No Screws Spinner |
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
I may have left out that I just used Vans FORWARD BULKHEAD 'AS IS' and
slipped the spinner right over it.
Nice snug fit with NO wobble.
Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
Actually Dan, here is a photo of how my spinner looks on the inside, as
you can see the screws do go through the
backing plate from the rear into the nut plates that are attached to the
inside ring on the spinner. As I have a FP I have a
plate on the front of the prop that has a alum pipe the fits very tight
into the hole you see in the front bulkhead of the spinner.
I am not sure if Rick did his this same way or not but I did send him
this picture when he was asking for tips on how to do it.
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~jsflyrv/spinner.jpg
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Parking brake Lock-up? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
I would wager that the parking brake valve is not the cause of the
problem on most of the stories we have heard but something else. My
parking brake has worked flawlessly for a gazillion applications. Every
time I stop I pull the p-brake cable and then set the brakes. As I said,
no problems so far and maybe I'm in for a surprise someday.
I wonder about the stories of how they took off fine with one brake
stuck but ground looped on landing with the same brake stuck. I can not
move my aircraft if the brakes are set, no go, nada, it will not move. I
guess if I applied enough power it would start dragging the tires but
there aint no way I could take off, except maybe on grass. If one was
stuck I would only go around in circles. Stories about Mauls and Cessna
p-brake problems are just that, stories. They use a completely different
method of p-brake application which does not apply here.
Most of the brake problems I have help diagnose have been caused by the
builder or mechanic installing the pedals bolts too tight. These bolts,
have to be loose, loose, loose to allow the springs to return the master
cylinders to a not applied state. There was a time when the Cleveland
cylinders had weak return springs and Vans offered free replacements for
anyone who asked. There could still be some of these "weak" springs
still in service. The matco cylinders have the springs but they are
internal. I have both types in my 6A and and they both work well. I did
replace the springs on the Cleveland's.
Other problems have been unevenly worn pads causing the puck in the
slave cylinder to cock and bind. This usually causes a dragging brake
but could lead to a stuck brake especially after hard braking getting
things real hot. I could guess that in this instance along with engaging
the parking brake things might really bind once things cool down.
I have also seen brake pads glue themselves to the rotors after severe
hard braking and heating although this was not on an aircraft so it may
not apply here.
Gary
Todd Bartrim wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Todd Bartrim" <haywire@telus.net>
>
> OK, so we have no answer as to why, but a few horror stories about real bad
> landings caused by stuck brakes. I'm guessing that many of these have been
> sold and found their way into RV's. How about a few comment's from those
> that have 'em & no problems?
>
> \
>
> Happened to a guy down here in Mississippi a few years ago (sorta).
>
> Bought a Maul, flew it to deer camp, set the brake & went hunting.
>
> Killed a deer, loaded it in the back & departed the grass field in the
> early morning dew.
>
> Flew back to Jackson, touched down on a paved runway & promptly flipped
> on his back.
>
> Unhurt, but the deer blood everywhere gave the emergency response teams
> a thrill.
>
> Charlie
>
> Ps. Reminds me of the time when our volunteer fire dept. was called to the
> scene of a car/moose/car/car accident. First car hits moose, kills it,
> destroys car, miraculously both occupants fine. Second car hits first car,
> everybody fine. Third car approaches, slows down, then deliberately
> accelerates into the pile up, then driver gets out and dramatically falls
> down in front of others, crying about his back. We arrive (fire dept),
> quickly assess the situation, put traffic cones on either side of the "fake"
> causality and immediately went to work gutting the moose to salvage the meat
> for charity. Ambulance arrives and expects big trouble by the amount of
> blood on us. They were still laughing as they roughly packed away the
> "causality". I heard the guy never got a dime.
>
>
> do not archive
>
> Todd Bartrim
>
> RV9Endurance
> 13B Turbo Rotary
> C-FSTB
> http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
>
> "The world will always have a place for those that bring hard
> work and determination to the things they do."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by:
Subject: Re: Matco Parking brake Lock-up?
I have had a similar problem with this parking brake, but found that it
was
related to the position of the arm when the brake was released. Adjusting
the
controls to more fully open the valve has seemed to solve the problem. I'm
not sure if applying pressure to the brakes while releasing the valve helps
as I have not tried that since adjusting the cable position...
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
250 Hr/1 Yr
---> RV-List message posted by: "Todd Bartrim" <haywire@telus.net>
This is what I was asking. I'm certain you're not the only one
who doesn't
have any problem, but there is at least 2 of us that do.
What is the infamous master return springs with the lost
mojo? I'm open
to
all ideas.
Todd Bartrim
RV9Endurance
13B Turbo Rotary
C-FSTB
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
That actually is a good article. They didn't even talk about flight plans in it.
do not archive
Jamie Painter <jdpainter@jpainter.org> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter"
So, what do you do if you're a long way from home, low and fuel and lost in
MVFR/IMC? Well, land on a highway, of course. Good to see that he walked
away with very little damage to his plane. The write-up is also pretty good
and doesn't take the usual media approach of representing GA as a disaster
waiting to happen.
http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=2161788&nav=5kZQPoOF
Thought it may be of interest to RV builders/flyers to help us avoid having to
make the same decision.
do not archive
--
Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
http://rv.jpainter.org
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Pilots and servos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I can definitely recommend the trutrack alt hold. I installed mine after
flying for a while and it only required a couple of days of work. The
hardest part was running the wires through tight adel clamps under the
floor. I also couldnt run them through my plastic conduit due to way too
much work required. I would just buy the trutrack alt hold, build the
wiring harness (about 4 or 5 wires I think) and run the wires before
finishing. It only takes a small hole (3/4" ?) in your panel and your
done. I installed the brain behind the baggage panel close to the servo to
simplify wiring. I didnt hook it up to the airplane static sys.
Shemp
RV-6A, N915JD
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
Subject: RV-List: Auto Pilots and servos
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
>
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> I have deliberately decided to wait on posting this message until I felt I
> could start to actually think about it more. I intend to have an auto
pilot
> in my RV-6 including altitude hold but wanted to wait until I flew the
> airplane and was ready to have the benefit of the extra money. I did put
> quite a bit in my panel now and it is *supposed* to be wired for an S-tec
30
> However, I don't really know what that means or if it truely is. I had
> installed a DG with a heading bug for this purpose as well. Not usefull
> without the auto pilot.
>
> My panel includes the full Appollo Slimline stack (Yes I know sadley is
now
> Garmin and somewhat obsolete). You can see it at http://www
> bryantechnology.com/family/rv6/rv6.htm or in the top left corner and just
> inside of your chief aircraft catalog.
>
> Now the questions: There has been lots of talk regarding all the options
of
> autopilots and very little regarding the S-tec. I can presume probably
due
> to the cost. I have not installed any servos or anything and probably
won't
> until after I fly (This Year!) Is there some concensus on using any
> specific auto pilot rather than s-tec? Is this strictly a cost issue or
are
> there other reasons? I definately want Alt. Hold. I don't have room in
my
> panel to add other than to hopefully just replace the TC. (as planned)
>
> Also, I have heard about the servos being somewhat interchangeable as well
> between Navaid, etc. What are the limitations here? Should I absolutely
> add some wire or changes to what I have done to accomodate adding an
> autopilot later?
>
> Don't mean to blast questions, but had postponed to prevent the feature
> creep but now I am getting close to moving to the airport and don't want
to
> overlook any thing I absolutely should do now.
>
> Thanks for any help
> Tim Bryan
> RV-6 N616TB
> In the making since February of 1990
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Pilots and servos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Trim sensing not required.
Tru track is designed with rvs in mind. Very simple install.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Auto Pilots and servos
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
>
> Thanks Sam and others. I have a couple of questions.
>
> The EZPilot (II) has a built in course for setting a track. Does this
mean
> the heading bug would not be a factor?
>
> Do I recall others to say they prefer the LCD display with out canopies?
>
> With the Altrak is the Trim Sensing (TS) a worthwhile add on?
>
> Where can I confirm the data stream from my GPS (GX60) is compatible?
>
> Seems I heard about some kits for specific install in RV's. Is this so
with
> either of these?
>
> Thanks
> Tim
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: 08/12/04 15:11:30
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Auto Pilots and servos
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> Tim Bryan wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan"
<rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
> <snip>
> > Now the questions: There has been lots of talk regarding all the
options
> of
> > autopilots and very little regarding the S-tec. I can presume probably
> due
> > to the cost. I have not installed any servos or anything and probably
won
> t
> > until after I fly (This Year!) Is there some concensus on using any
> > specific auto pilot rather than s-tec? Is this strictly a cost issue or
> are
> > there other reasons? I definately want Alt. Hold. I don't have room in
> my
> > panel to add other than to hopefully just replace the TC. (as planned)
>
> Tim,
>
> The Navaid, EZ-Pilot, and TruTrak autopilots each can be installed in
> lieu of a turn coordinator. TruTrak offers autopilots with altitude hold
> or you can go with the feature-packed EZ-Pilot and add the AlTrak from
> TruTrak. The AlTrak only requires one hole in the panel for the switch.
>
> Scroll down this page to see the EZ-Pilot and AlTrak in the panel of my
> RV-6:
>
> http://thervjournal.com
>
> >
> > Also, I have heard about the servos being somewhat interchangeable as
well
> > between Navaid, etc. What are the limitations here? Should I
absolutely
> > add some wire or changes to what I have done to accomodate adding an
> > autopilot later?
>
> You can add the autopilot later without much additional work. The servos
> are often added to flying aircraft and the wiring requirements are
> minimal. All you will need from your avionics is a NMEA data feed which
> is one wire unless you also slave the autopilot to a VOR/ILS receiver.
>
> You will find an autopilot will quickly become one of your favorite
> devices in the panel of your RV. There is a ton of info in the list
> archives on the various autopilot systems, and most manufacturer's
> websites have installation/user manuals you can download.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
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| Subject: | Emergency Parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
I'm starting to do some formation flying and would like to purchase a
parachute. It seems that Strong, National, and Softie are the preferred
brands.
I'm interested in anyone's opinions about any of the brands as well as on
the various models they offer.
I'm really interested in the seat vs. back pack tradeoffs. It seems to me
that with the seat pack works well in the RV-4. But I say this having tried
neither in my plane.
I'm also curious about if anyone has used or knows about the RV-4 specific
pack that Strong makes. It fits between the seat back and the spar.
Thanks for all of your help.
Don Mei
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
Hope I do not get in trouble with the list cops for sending this..
If so wont do it again...
Have landed on the RV-7... after considering an 8 and 10.
Ready to purchase a kit.. anyone who has a kit and has decided for whatever reason
to not build let me know.. Please call 405-206-6768.
Sincerely sorry for using server space.
Doug Brinlee
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
Doug,
You should be ashamed of yourself for this waste of bandwidth and disk
storage. :)
Gary
Doug Brinlee wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
>
> Hope I do not get in trouble with the list cops for sending this..
> If so wont do it again...
> Have landed on the RV-7... after considering an 8 and 10.
> Ready to purchase a kit.. anyone who has a kit and has decided for whatever reason
to not build let me know.. Please call 405-206-6768.
> Sincerely sorry for using server space.
> Doug Brinlee
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
Hi Gary,
I am,,,,, lol..
But too excited about building a plane to care,
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Zilik" <zilik@excelgeo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: WANTED RV 7
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
>
> Doug,
>
> You should be ashamed of yourself for this waste of bandwidth and disk
> storage. :)
>
> Gary
>
> Doug Brinlee wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
> >
> > Hope I do not get in trouble with the list cops for sending this..
> > If so wont do it again...
> > Have landed on the RV-7... after considering an 8 and 10.
> > Ready to purchase a kit.. anyone who has a kit and has decided for
whatever reason to not build let me know.. Please call 405-206-6768.
> > Sincerely sorry for using server space.
> > Doug Brinlee
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" <cweyant@chuckdirect.com>
Van's is not taking orders for the:
SIRS Compass/Unlit Northern Hemisphere
Part Number IF NV2A S.I.R.S.
Price $189.95
Temporarily Out of Stock. We are not taking orders for this item at this time.
Anyone know where to order same at or near Van's price? Or does anyone have
a compass that mounts on the windshield slider support post for sale?
Thanks,
Chuck
RV9A SLO Build (In the paint shop for three weeks --- then we go flying!)
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| Subject: | Re: CS vs FP props |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Jerry -
My FP friends who fly with me get there same time as me too. Once we get to
altitude, I just set cruise power and rpm - then reduce power as necessary
when they holler... It even saves me fuel!
You must have nice friends too!!
;)
do not archive
Bryan Jones -8 CS
www.LoneStarSquadron.com
Houston, Texas
>Dan CS is nice but I find that when I fly my old 180hp FP RV-6 along
>with guys with CS I get there the same time they do.:-)
>BTW it is a secret how Rick and I have no show spinner fastners. :-)
>
>Jerry
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Me too.
Congratulations...
What kind of primer should he use?
Bring it on, list cops.
Oh, and have fun building, Doug!
Please do not archive this waste of space.
Doug Brinlee <abfbrinlee@att.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee"
Hi Gary,
I am,,,,, lol..
But too excited about building a plane to care,
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Zilik"
Subject: Re: RV-List: WANTED RV 7
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik
>
> Doug,
>
> You should be ashamed of yourself for this waste of bandwidth and disk
> storage. :)
>
> Gary
>
> Doug Brinlee wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee"
> >
> > Hope I do not get in trouble with the list cops for sending this..
> > If so wont do it again...
> > Have landed on the RV-7... after considering an 8 and 10.
> > Ready to purchase a kit.. anyone who has a kit and has decided for
whatever reason to not build let me know.. Please call 405-206-6768.
> > Sincerely sorry for using server space.
> > Doug Brinlee
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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"'owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com '"@matronics.com
| Subject: | 46 States in 36 Days - Trip Stats |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
For those of you more technically interested nuts, the following are the
stats my PC has calculated for this trip.
Fuel Costs were $1567.52 which included 532.6 gallons of fuel and 3 quarts
of oil for an average cost per gallon of $2.94.
The trip total mileage including some rides was 9011nm with the actual
travel distance being 8447nm, for a whopping 16.9 nm/gl or 19.5 sm/gl.
General expenses including some supplies shopping, tie down fees, a few
night's hangar fees and a hotel/car for a night in Rhode Island were
$971.08.
So the trip costs were $2538 plus a few incidentals that I may not have
accounted for.
Not bad until one starts to factor in the equipment costs....
;{)
All that said I would in particular like to thank the guys from Trio
Avionics, from Dynon Avionics and from Garmin Avionics as I owe my ass, and
the knowledge of where that ass was located and the attitude of that ass at
all times during the trip, to their exceptional technology.
I would also like to thank the AnywhereMap folks as their unit worked great
until the cigarette adaptor failed because the spring inside it started
shorting internally and blowing fuses. (I have since fixed this but would
recommend to them that this part of the unit is designed poorly) Although
this unit is primarily a backup unit it was very nice having current TFR
data on screen, particularly during a campaign year.
W
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| Subject: | Emergency Parachutes |
0.2 FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS From: contains an underline and numbers/letters
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Donald -
I'm breaking my own rule here of replying to an airplane-specific question
when I don't have the type you have, but think it's OK in this case.
I've got an -8 and use a seat pack. It's 3-4" thick, fits in the "seat pan"
nicely and has a ~1" foam back pad. Works very well with my -8. Sorry -
never worn a chute in a -4, but I believe the fit would be comparable, aside
from the reduced elbow room already (not) there. I have a backpack that my
pax wear but it puts me too close to the panel in the front seat.
Can't remember the brand of my seat pack - bought it used from a rigger 4-5
yrs ago. The backpack is USAF surplus and only works with very light, thin
people (making it pretty much useless).
Bryan Jones -8
www.LoneStarSquadron.com
Houston, Texas
>I'm starting to do some formation flying and would like to purchase a
>parachute. It seems that Strong, National, and Softie are the preferred
>brands.
>
>I'm interested in anyone's opinions about any of the brands as well as on
>the various models they offer.
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| Subject: | Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
I sent the author a note complimenting how he covered the story.
We need to be as quick with our praise as we are with our chastisement.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jamie Painter
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 8:58 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>
>
> So, what do you do if you're a long way from home, low and fuel
> and lost in
> MVFR/IMC? Well, land on a highway, of course. Good to see that he walked
> away with very little damage to his plane. The write-up is also
> pretty good
> and doesn't take the usual media approach of representing GA as a disaster
> waiting to happen.
>
> http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=2161788&nav=5kZQPoOF
>
> Thought it may be of interest to RV builders/flyers to help us
> avoid having to
> make the same decision.
>
> do not archive
>
> --
> Jamie D. Painter
> RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
> http://rv.jpainter.org
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stan & Eilene" <stan@vangrunsven.us>
Two days ago we stopped getting the RV-List. We have Norton that keeps our computer
cleaned up from viruses, but every so often we get dropped from your list.
Please.....
Resubscribe. Thanks!
Stan VanGrunsven
stan@vangrunsven.us
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
I have a Softie, backpack style. It pushes me way too close forward and I
rarely wear it in my RV-4. I like the parachute, seems to be of very good
quality, but I should have purchased the seat pack. Unfortunately when I spoke
with them at SNF and purchased it, they said 'all the RV guys are wearing the
backpack style.' Stupid me listened to them..... I figured I'd hang on to
it for my first flight in the -10. I should have plenty of room for it in
there! Unless someone wanted to buy it now.....
-Mike Kraus
N223RV RV-4 Flying
N213RV RV-10 Empennage/Tailcone complete, starting on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>I have a Softie, backpack style. It pushes me way too close forward and I
>rarely wear it in my RV-4. I like the parachute, seems to be of very good
>quality, but I should have purchased the seat pack. Unfortunately when I
>spoke
>with them at SNF and purchased it, they said 'all the RV guys are wearing
>the
>backpack style.' Stupid me listened to them..... I figured I'd hang on
>to
>it for my first flight in the -10. I should have plenty of room for it in
>there! Unless someone wanted to buy it now.....
>
>-Mike Kraus
>N223RV RV-4 Flying
>N213RV RV-10 Empennage/Tailcone complete, starting on wings
Same issue here! Also bought a softie backpack, even built to match my
airplane in teal, gold and black. Wore it for test phase and acro, and now
that I'm not doing acro and well past test phase, I don't need it! First
flight of RV10 is years away and I plan to just borrow one from the local
acro nuts when I need it.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and
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| Subject: | Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I also sent a E-mail earlier this morning thanking him.
At 03:11 PM 8/13/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
>
>I sent the author a note complimenting how he covered the story.
>
>We need to be as quick with our praise as we are with our chastisement.
>
>James
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jamie Painter
> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 8:58 AM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
> >
> >
> > So, what do you do if you're a long way from home, low and fuel
> > and lost in
> > MVFR/IMC? Well, land on a highway, of course. Good to see that he walked
> > away with very little damage to his plane. The write-up is also
> > pretty good
> > and doesn't take the usual media approach of representing GA as a disaster
> > waiting to happen.
> >
> > http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=2161788&nav=5kZQPoOF
> >
> > Thought it may be of interest to RV builders/flyers to help us
> > avoid having to
> > make the same decision.
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > --
> > Jamie D. Painter
> > RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
> > http://rv.jpainter.org
> >
> >
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
How come no more acro?
At 08:02 PM 8/13/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >I have a Softie, backpack style. It pushes me way too close forward and I
> >rarely wear it in my RV-4. I like the parachute, seems to be of very good
> >quality, but I should have purchased the seat pack. Unfortunately when I
> >spoke
> >with them at SNF and purchased it, they said 'all the RV guys are wearing
> >the
> >backpack style.' Stupid me listened to them..... I figured I'd hang on
> >to
> >it for my first flight in the -10. I should have plenty of room for it in
> >there! Unless someone wanted to buy it now.....
> >
> >-Mike Kraus
> >N223RV RV-4 Flying
> >N213RV RV-10 Empennage/Tailcone complete, starting on wings
>
>Same issue here! Also bought a softie backpack, even built to match my
>airplane in teal, gold and black. Wore it for test phase and acro, and now
>that I'm not doing acro and well past test phase, I don't need it! First
>flight of RV10 is years away and I plan to just borrow one from the local
>acro nuts when I need it.
>
>Brian Denk
>RV8 N94BD
>RV10 '51
>
>Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: compass wanted |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Chuck:
Aircraft Spruce carries the same compass. Not certain if they too are out
of stock, but might be worth a try. Last I checked their price was the same
as Van's.
Keep us posted if they have them in stock.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
firewall forward
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Weyant" <cweyant@chuckdirect.com>
Subject: RV-List: compass wanted
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" <cweyant@chuckdirect.com>
>
> Van's is not taking orders for the:
> SIRS Compass/Unlit Northern Hemisphere
> Part Number IF NV2A S.I.R.S.
> Price $189.95
> Temporarily Out of Stock. We are not taking orders for this item at this
time.
>
> Anyone know where to order same at or near Van's price? Or does anyone
have
> a compass that mounts on the windshield slider support post for sale?
> Thanks,
> Chuck
> RV9A SLO Build (In the paint shop for three weeks --- then we go flying!)
>
>
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| Subject: | Sept 11, 2004 -RV Forum, 10th Annual Oswego CO, KFZY |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6160hp@aol.com
Mark your calendars and plan to attend.
September 10, 2004 Friday night fly in, cook out and camp out. The EAA 486
General meeting is that night too.
September 11, 2004 Saturday more fly ins, + technical seminars all day,
meals provided to paid attendee's. Due to insurance all I can say is you tap a
pilot for a ride...there are many who are generous there. Then a nice dinner
banquet with a presentation for an evening wrap up!
September 12, 2004 Sunday AM our great pancake breakfast and perhaps a
coordinated fly out for lunch, planes, weather and pilots willing.
See us at _www.eaachapter486.com_ (http://www.eaachapter486.com) See the RV
forum website for registration information.
RV pilots get it all for one dollar.
VFR years have seen over 56 RV's and 25 SPAM's fly in with over 150
attendee's.
Again Mike Seager and the new factory RV7 will be doing instruction and
manufacturers like Lycoming and many others have attended, and/or they do send
goodies.
I could go on...but you get the picture...just ask someone who has been
there the $45 is easily worth it. Hope to See you all there.
Respectfully,
David McManmon
Past-President
EAA 486
RV6 Flying, Builder, Pilot N58DM
DNA
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| Subject: | Re: 46 States in 36 Days - Trip Stats |
08/13/2004 04:02:32 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
I'd like to tell you congratulations on your trip but........oh well, you
know
Wheeler North
<wnorth@sdccd.cc.
ca.us> To
Sent by: "'RV-List Digest Server '"
owner-rv-list-ser <rv-list-digest@matronics.com>,
ver@matronics.com "'owner-rv-list-server@matronics.co
m '"@matronics.com
cc
08/13/2004 01:37
PM Subject
RV-List: 46 States in 36 Days -
Trip Stats
Please respond to
rv-list@matronics
.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
For those of you more technically interested nuts, the following are the
stats my PC has calculated for this trip.
Fuel Costs were $1567.52 which included 532.6 gallons of fuel and 3 quarts
of oil for an average cost per gallon of $2.94.
The trip total mileage including some rides was 9011nm with the actual
travel distance being 8447nm, for a whopping 16.9 nm/gl or 19.5 sm/gl.
General expenses including some supplies shopping, tie down fees, a few
night's hangar fees and a hotel/car for a night in Rhode Island were
$971.08.
So the trip costs were $2538 plus a few incidentals that I may not have
accounted for.
Not bad until one starts to factor in the equipment costs....
;{)
All that said I would in particular like to thank the guys from Trio
Avionics, from Dynon Avionics and from Garmin Avionics as I owe my ass, and
the knowledge of where that ass was located and the attitude of that ass at
all times during the trip, to their exceptional technology.
I would also like to thank the AnywhereMap folks as their unit worked great
until the cigarette adaptor failed because the spring inside it started
shorting internally and blowing fuses. (I have since fixed this but would
recommend to them that this part of the unit is designed poorly) Although
this unit is primarily a backup unit it was very nice having current TFR
data on screen, particularly during a campaign year.
W
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
>How come no more acro?
>
>
Perhaps I should clarify. I'm no longer going out and flying sequence
acro...in the local box. An occasional 1 G roll while enroute somewhere to
shake the dust loose but that's about it. I'm not flying enough anymore to
stay truly acro safe and frankly my stomach just can't handle it either!
The older I get, the more I like the gentle pleasures in life. Must be why
the RV10 is so appealing to me. Can outfit it with all the comforts of
home....stereo, wet bar, sauna, bidet....
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Sept 11, 2004 -RV Forum, 10th Annual Oswego CO, |
KFZY
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com> KFZY
Geez, really started to get excited about this......until I realized it is
on the other side of the universe! But hey you are near Watkins Glenn,
wonder whats going on there. I thought Oswego CO, was Oswego Colorado! What
really caught my eye was the camping, that GREATLY reduces the cost of a
trip, no rental car no hotel.
At 05:00 PM 8/13/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: RV6160hp@aol.com
>
>
>Mark your calendars and plan to attend.
>
>September 10, 2004 Friday night fly in, cook out and camp out. The EAA 486
>General meeting is that night too.
>
>September 11, 2004 Saturday more fly ins, + technical seminars all day,
>meals provided to paid attendee's. Due to insurance all I can say is you
>tap a
>pilot for a ride...there are many who are generous there. Then a nice dinner
>banquet with a presentation for an evening wrap up!
>
>September 12, 2004 Sunday AM our great pancake breakfast and perhaps a
>coordinated fly out for lunch, planes, weather and pilots willing.
>
>See us at _www.eaachapter486.com_ (http://www.eaachapter486.com) See the RV
>forum website for registration information.
>
>RV pilots get it all for one dollar.
>
>VFR years have seen over 56 RV's and 25 SPAM's fly in with over 150
>attendee's.
>
>Again Mike Seager and the new factory RV7 will be doing instruction and
>manufacturers like Lycoming and many others have attended, and/or they
>do send
>goodies.
>
>I could go on...but you get the picture...just ask someone who has been
>there the $45 is easily worth it. Hope to See you all there.
>
>Respectfully,
>David McManmon
>Past-President
>EAA 486
>RV6 Flying, Builder, Pilot N58DM
>DNA
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Scott Bilinski wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>How come no more acro?
>
Laundry bill got too high??? :-P
I can't live without it!
Linn
do not archive
>
>
>At 08:02 PM 8/13/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have a Softie, backpack style. It pushes me way too close forward and I
>>>rarely wear it in my RV-4. I like the parachute, seems to be of very good
>>>quality, but I should have purchased the seat pack. Unfortunately when I
>>>spoke
>>>with them at SNF and purchased it, they said 'all the RV guys are wearing
>>>the
>>>backpack style.' Stupid me listened to them..... I figured I'd hang on
>>>to
>>>it for my first flight in the -10. I should have plenty of room for it in
>>>there! Unless someone wanted to buy it now.....
>>>
>>>-Mike Kraus
>>>N223RV RV-4 Flying
>>>N213RV RV-10 Empennage/Tailcone complete, starting on wings
>>>
>>>
>>Same issue here! Also bought a softie backpack, even built to match my
>>airplane in teal, gold and black. Wore it for test phase and acro, and now
>>that I'm not doing acro and well past test phase, I don't need it! First
>>flight of RV10 is years away and I plan to just borrow one from the local
>>acro nuts when I need it.
>>
>>Brian Denk
>>RV8 N94BD
>>RV10 '51
>>
>>Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <N223RV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Emergency Parachutes
> --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
>
> I have a Softie, backpack style. It pushes me way too close forward and
I
> rarely wear it in my RV-4.
I wear a Softie backpack in my RV-3. It fits nicely in the seatback "pan."
Since it does not compress like a cushion, it does sit me a bit closer to
the panel, but not excessively or uncomfortably so. I easily have full
throw of all controls, and perhaps a bit more so with the rudders when
compared to the rudder throw when the back cushion is in place.
Randy Compton
RV-3 N148CW (recently sold)
Gulf Breeze, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Sept 11, 2004 -RV Forum, 10th Annual Oswego CO, KFZY |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6160hp@aol.com
Yes near Watkins Glen....20 minutes in an RV...sorry for the CO instead of
CO.
It is worth the effort...Mike Seager and Bill Benedict (rest his soul) make
the treck for this. Van him self has been there too in the past.....(helped
that his daughter went to Ithaca College) any how see the webiste onthe
aformentioned visits....
Regards
David aka Flapjack2
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| Subject: | Re: Sept 11, 2004 -RV Forum, 10th Annual Oswego CO, KFZY |
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
We marked our calendar a long time ago David. The Ohio Valley RVators will be
there!!
Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/index.html
do not archive
Mark your calendars and plan to attend.
September 10, 2004 Friday night fly in, cook out and camp out. The EAA 486
General meeting is that night too.
September 11, 2004 Saturday more fly ins, + technical seminars all day,
meals provided to paid attendee's. Due to insurance all I can say is you tap
a
pilot for a ride...there are many who are generous there. Then a nice dinner
banquet with a presentation for an evening wrap up!
September 12, 2004 Sunday AM our great pancake breakfast and perhaps a
coordinated fly out for lunch, planes, weather and pilots willing.
See us at _www.eaachapter486.com_ (http://www.eaachapter486.com) See the RV
forum website for registration information.
RV pilots get it all for one dollar.
VFR years have seen over 56 RV's and 25 SPAM's fly in with over 150
attendee's.
Again Mike Seager and the new factory RV7 will be doing instruction and
manufacturers like Lycoming and many others have attended, and/or they do
send
goodies.
I could go on...but you get the picture...just ask someone who has been
there the $45 is easily worth it. Hope to See you all there.
Respectfully,
David McManmon
Past-President
EAA 486
RV6 Flying, Builder, Pilot N58DM
DNA
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Parking brake Lock-up? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mb.sympatico.ca>
I have the Matco valve/cable operated setup. I use it when I need it and
have not had a problem, other than my cable wasn't secured properly at first
and flexed too much to move the valve back to the release position the first
time I tried it. But the plane wouldn't move at all in that instance. I
mean, it is just a valve, either on or off. It has to move to the shut
position after positive pressure is applyed to the brake cylinders in order
to set the brakes. That isn't really something that can happen at random, it
is a two step process: 1) with valve in the open (off) position, apply
brakes, and 2) while holding brakes, turn valve to shut (on) position. I
guess you could do that in flight, but I can't imagine accidentally. So I
have a hard time beliveing the anectodes about brakes inadvertantly locking
in flight.
I use a ratcheting type bowden control - one could use a button locking
control to be truly anal. And of course it should be in the checklist -
although my airplane is not going to move with the thing on. Yes, on wet
grass at full throttle I will start sliding even with locked brakes but it's
pretty obvious.
So there's at least one posting in defence of the poor maligned Matco
parking brake valve. It's handy, it works and I'll install one in my next
airplane too.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Bartrim" <haywire@telus.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Matco Parking brake Lock-up?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Todd Bartrim" <haywire@telus.net>
>
> OK, so we have no answer as to why, but a few horror stories about real
bad
> landings caused by stuck brakes. I'm guessing that many of these have been
> sold and found their way into RV's. How about a few comment's from those
> that have 'em & no problems?
>
> \
>
> Happened to a guy down here in Mississippi a few years ago (sorta).
>
> Bought a Maul, flew it to deer camp, set the brake & went hunting.
>
> Killed a deer, loaded it in the back & departed the grass field in the
> early morning dew.
>
> Flew back to Jackson, touched down on a paved runway & promptly flipped
> on his back.
>
> Unhurt, but the deer blood everywhere gave the emergency response teams
> a thrill.
>
> Charlie
>
> Ps. Reminds me of the time when our volunteer fire dept. was called to the
> scene of a car/moose/car/car accident. First car hits moose, kills it,
> destroys car, miraculously both occupants fine. Second car hits first car,
> everybody fine. Third car approaches, slows down, then deliberately
> accelerates into the pile up, then driver gets out and dramatically falls
> down in front of others, crying about his back. We arrive (fire dept),
> quickly assess the situation, put traffic cones on either side of the
"fake"
> causality and immediately went to work gutting the moose to salvage the
meat
> for charity. Ambulance arrives and expects big trouble by the amount of
> blood on us. They were still laughing as they roughly packed away the
> "causality". I heard the guy never got a dime.
>
>
> do not archive
>
> Todd Bartrim
>
> RV9Endurance
> 13B Turbo Rotary
> C-FSTB
> http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
>
> "The world will always have a place for those that bring hard
> work and determination to the things they do."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Parking brake Lock-up? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
My apologies for the confusion. Todd asked how it could happen. Note
that nowhere in my little narrative does it say that he *released* the
parking brake.
The post was mainly intended as humor (hence the 'dna') but the lesson
is still there: with a big motor & not much weight, you might not notice
that the brakes are set if you fly off wet grass.
Gary Zilik wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
>
>I would wager that the parking brake valve is not the cause of the
>problem on most of the stories we have heard but something else. My
>parking brake has worked flawlessly for a gazillion applications. Every
>time I stop I pull the p-brake cable and then set the brakes. As I said,
>no problems so far and maybe I'm in for a surprise someday.
>
> I wonder about the stories of how they took off fine with one brake
>stuck but ground looped on landing with the same brake stuck. I can not
>move my aircraft if the brakes are set, no go, nada, it will not move. I
>guess if I applied enough power it would start dragging the tires but
>there aint no way I could take off, except maybe on grass. If one was
>stuck I would only go around in circles. Stories about Mauls and Cessna
>p-brake problems are just that, stories. They use a completely different
>method of p-brake application which does not apply here.
>
>Most of the brake problems I have help diagnose have been caused by the
>builder or mechanic installing the pedals bolts too tight. These bolts,
>have to be loose, loose, loose to allow the springs to return the master
>cylinders to a not applied state. There was a time when the Cleveland
>cylinders had weak return springs and Vans offered free replacements for
>anyone who asked. There could still be some of these "weak" springs
>still in service. The matco cylinders have the springs but they are
>internal. I have both types in my 6A and and they both work well. I did
>replace the springs on the Cleveland's.
>
>Other problems have been unevenly worn pads causing the puck in the
>slave cylinder to cock and bind. This usually causes a dragging brake
>but could lead to a stuck brake especially after hard braking getting
>things real hot. I could guess that in this instance along with engaging
>the parking brake things might really bind once things cool down.
>
>I have also seen brake pads glue themselves to the rotors after severe
>hard braking and heating although this was not on an aircraft so it may
>not apply here.
>
>Gary
>
>Todd Bartrim wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Todd Bartrim" <haywire@telus.net>
>>
>>OK, so we have no answer as to why, but a few horror stories about real bad
>>landings caused by stuck brakes. I'm guessing that many of these have been
>>sold and found their way into RV's. How about a few comment's from those
>>that have 'em & no problems?
>>
>>\
>>
>>Happened to a guy down here in Mississippi a few years ago (sorta).
>>
>>Bought a Maul, flew it to deer camp, set the brake & went hunting.
>>
>>Killed a deer, loaded it in the back & departed the grass field in the
>>early morning dew.
>>
>>Flew back to Jackson, touched down on a paved runway & promptly flipped
>>on his back.
>>
>>Unhurt, but the deer blood everywhere gave the emergency response teams
>>a thrill.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>Ps. Reminds me of the time when our volunteer fire dept. was called to the
>>scene of a car/moose/car/car accident. First car hits moose, kills it,
>>destroys car, miraculously both occupants fine. Second car hits first car,
>>everybody fine. Third car approaches, slows down, then deliberately
>>accelerates into the pile up, then driver gets out and dramatically falls
>>down in front of others, crying about his back. We arrive (fire dept),
>>quickly assess the situation, put traffic cones on either side of the "fake"
>>causality and immediately went to work gutting the moose to salvage the meat
>>for charity. Ambulance arrives and expects big trouble by the amount of
>>blood on us. They were still laughing as they roughly packed away the
>>"causality". I heard the guy never got a dime.
>>
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>Todd Bartrim
>>
>>RV9Endurance
>>13B Turbo Rotary
>>C-FSTB
>>http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
>>
>> "The world will always have a place for those that bring hard
>>work and determination to the things they do."
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jaye and Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
Although I fly an RV-6, I have two chutes.
One is a straight backpack, which, without any back cushion and with the
seat adjustment all the way back,puts me just a little too close to the
controls to get full back stick without exhaling. It also catches on the
seatback while I'm lowering myself into the seat.
The other is a chair pack-meaning both back and seat, and it is both
comfortable and not restrictive at all. It does have a thin velour pad to
sit on, sewn into the parachute pack. Along with a 1/2" thick "foamy" type
pad underneat everything, the longest I've flown while wearing it was just
over three hours.
As everyone's physique is unique( say, that rhymes!) I would suggest trying
on as many different chutes as possible.
Also, the chutes with the thinnest container material will feel the lumpiest
and are the most susceptible to being returned from a repack feeling
different to sit on.
Scott in VAncouver
----- Original Message -----
From: "linn walters" <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Emergency Parachutes
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Scott Bilinski wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> >How come no more acro?
> >
> Laundry bill got too high??? :-P
> I can't live without it!
> Linn
> do not archive
>
> >
> >
> >At 08:02 PM 8/13/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have a Softie, backpack style. It pushes me way too close forward
and I
> >>>rarely wear it in my RV-4. I like the parachute, seems to be of very
good
> >>>quality, but I should have purchased the seat pack. Unfortunately
when I
> >>>spoke
> >>>with them at SNF and purchased it, they said 'all the RV guys are
wearing
> >>>the
> >>>backpack style.' Stupid me listened to them..... I figured I'd hang
on
> >>>to
> >>>it for my first flight in the -10. I should have plenty of room for
it in
> >>>there! Unless someone wanted to buy it now.....
> >>>
> >>>-Mike Kraus
> >>>N223RV RV-4 Flying
> >>>N213RV RV-10 Empennage/Tailcone complete, starting on wings
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Same issue here! Also bought a softie backpack, even built to match my
> >>airplane in teal, gold and black. Wore it for test phase and acro, and
now
> >>that I'm not doing acro and well past test phase, I don't need it!
First
> >>flight of RV10 is years away and I plan to just borrow one from the
local
> >>acro nuts when I need it.
> >>
> >>Brian Denk
> >>RV8 N94BD
> >>RV10 '51
> >>
> >>Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools
and
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Scott Bilinski
> >Eng dept 305
> >Phone (858) 657-2536
> >Pager (858) 502-5190
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Jaye and Scott Jackson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jaye and Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
>
> Although I fly an RV-6, I have two chutes.
<snip>
Scott, what is your plan for dealing with the RV-6 canopy if you decide
you need to exit the plane while airborne?
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Emergency Parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" <mike@bmnellis.com>
I've been carrying a chute in the back seat of my truck since OSH. A friend
of a friend was selling two of them but only moved one at OSH. If you're
interested, I'll put you in touch with him. I think he wanted about $800 or
so for it. To my untrained eye, it looked to be in great condition. I just
took it out of my truck today so I know it's still avaliable.
Mike Nellis
RV-6 Fuselage N699BM
1947 Stinson 108-2 NC9666K
http://bmnellis.com
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*** [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donald Mei
*** Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:01 PM
*** To: rv-list@matronics.com
*** Subject: RV-List: Emergency Parachutes
***
***
*** --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
***
***
*** I'm starting to do some formation flying and would like to
*** purchase a
*** parachute. It seems that Strong, National, and Softie are
*** the preferred
*** brands.
***
*** I'm interested in anyone's opinions about any of the brands
*** as well as on
*** the various models they offer.
***
*** I'm really interested in the seat vs. back pack tradeoffs.
*** It seems to me
*** that with the seat pack works well in the RV-4. But I say
*** this having tried
*** neither in my plane.
***
*** I'm also curious about if anyone has used or knows about
*** the RV-4 specific
*** pack that Strong makes. It fits between the seat back and the spar.
***
*** Thanks for all of your help.
***
*** Don Mei
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