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1. 12:12 AM - Re: EGT/CHT question (Bluecavu@aol.com)
2. 04:59 AM - Re:brake cylinder springs (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
3. 05:17 AM - Re: gelcoat (plaurence@the-beach.net)
4. 05:29 AM - Hurricane and tie-down (Finn Lassen)
5. 05:44 AM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (Richard Bibb)
6. 06:04 AM - HS-405 to HS-710 problem (Will, Scott)
7. 06:05 AM - Re: loose wheel bearings was brake cylinder springs (Charlie Kuss)
8. 06:19 AM - Re: gelcoat (linn walters)
9. 07:24 AM - emergency parachutes (Frazier, Vincent A)
10. 07:43 AM - Re: Airtech Wingtip lens kit (Evan and Megan Johnson)
11. 07:58 AM - Re: emergency parachutes (Stein Bruch)
12. 08:01 AM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (John)
13. 08:20 AM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (rebibb@comcast.net)
14. 08:27 AM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (RV8ter@aol.com)
15. 08:42 AM - Re: Not RV Related, and real long - delete as you see fit, Was Re: CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!!! (Scott Vanartsdalen)
16. 08:47 AM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (Ollie Washburn)
17. 09:07 AM - Re: emergency parachutes (linn walters)
18. 09:07 AM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (ogoodwin@comcast.net)
19. 09:27 AM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (linn walters)
20. 09:31 AM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (sportpilot)
21. 10:31 AM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (Terry Watson)
22. 10:33 AM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (Scott Vanartsdalen)
23. 10:37 AM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (linn walters)
24. 10:48 AM - EAA Tech Advisor... (Matt Johnson)
25. 11:18 AM - Re: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia (Phil Birkelbach)
26. 11:59 AM - Re: EAA Tech Advisor... (not processed: message from valid local sender) (cgalley)
27. 12:12 PM - Re: EAA Tech Advisor... (not processed: message from valid local sender) (Jim Cimino)
28. 12:15 PM - Re: gelcoat (Skylor Piper)
29. 12:42 PM - Re: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia (Brian Denk)
30. 12:53 PM - Re: gelcoat (linn walters)
31. 12:53 PM - Re: gelcoat (linn walters)
32. 02:25 PM - Re: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia (Scott.Fink@microchip.com)
33. 02:44 PM - vaccum system for sale (glennpaulwilkinson)
34. 03:13 PM - Re: Rocket Down (Phil Birkelbach)
35. 03:26 PM - Re: tech advisor (Matt Johnson)
36. 03:27 PM - Re: Rocket Down (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
37. 03:39 PM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
38. 04:30 PM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (David Carter)
39. 04:30 PM - 6-A kit for sale (Bill Hicks)
40. 05:08 PM - List rules (Wheeler North)
41. 05:11 PM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (David Carter)
42. 05:22 PM - Re: Emergency Parachutes (The Hydes)
43. 05:55 PM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (Scott Vanartsdalen)
44. 05:55 PM - Hurricane memories! Some B.S. from an Old F#@%! (Lwfeatherston@aol.com)
45. 06:05 PM - Matco Parking Brake Valve... (Mark Taylor)
46. 06:06 PM - Re: Re: tech advisor (not processed: message from valid local sender) (cgalley)
47. 06:07 PM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (Scott Vanartsdalen)
48. 06:55 PM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (Ed Holyoke)
49. 07:13 PM - Re: Hurricane and tie-down (linn walters)
50. 07:43 PM - Re: emergency parachutes (RV_8 Pilot)
51. 07:53 PM - No side-tone (Jeff Orear)
52. 08:06 PM - Interesting alternative to traditional magneto (Joe & Jan Connell)
53. 08:08 PM - Re: No side-tone (Kyle Boatright)
54. 09:09 PM - Fly-in Polson, Mt. (Mauri Morin)
55. 09:16 PM - Re: loose wheel bearings was brake cylinder springs (thomas a. sargent)
56. 09:51 PM - Re: Matco Parking Brake Valve... (Jim Jewell)
57. 10:18 PM - Re: loose wheel bearings was brake cylinder springs (Stein Bruch)
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| Subject: | EGT/CHT question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
I'd be willing to bet big money that your uneven temps are mostly due to
uneven mixture distribution between cylinders -carburetors are lousy at evenly
feeding all the cyls. Some of your cylinders are consequently burning more fuel
and doing more work -trying to bring them in line with cooling flow is like
treating the symptom, not the cause -but it still might not be a bad idea.
You might even notice that your hottest cylinder moves around as you change
power settings...
just a trait of Marvel Schebler (and many other) carbs ...
Scott
N4ZW
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| Subject: | Re:brake cylinder springs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Kim;
I took the return springs off of my master cylinders and streched them about
3/4 inch and put them back on. I haven't had any more problem.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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--> RV-List message posted by: plaurence@the-beach.net
On 15 Aug 2004 at 23:16, David Carter wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>
> What is "gel coat"? I've fit my empennage tips and they are smooth
> white, as they came from Van's. Is the white finish "gel coat"?
>
> David
>
Yes.
Used in the boat industry. It's has clay as a componet.
Peter
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| Subject: | Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
I keep my RV-3 outside.
After looking at news pictures of mangled hangars and planes in
Charley's path, I'm beginning to wonder how stong the tie-down points
are. In my RV-3 I think only two 3/16" bolts hold the tie-down pipe to
the spar web. (By tie-down pipe I mean that thing the O-bolts screw into.)
Assuming that the ropes and ground anchors are strong enough, what kind
of sustained winds will these points theoretically withstand?
Is lift diectly proportional with speed?
I understand that putting sandbags on top of the wings will spoil lift,
but there is still the push on the underside of the wings. And of
course, even if my plane stays put it may still get hit by other loose
planes and debris.
I guess the only safe measure is to fly it out of any predicted
hurricane path. I count myself blessed that Charley didn't hit Tampa Bay
as was predicted.
Finn
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
Lift is proportional to the square of the velocity......
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| Subject: | HS-405 to HS-710 problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Will, Scott" <Scott.Will@delta.com>
Hey all,
My first post on the list! Got my -7 horizontal stab about to rivet together today...
but before I do wanted to see your experiences on joining the inner rib
to the front spar and angle.
One side is perfect, all holes line up well and are centered. Using the same hole
template on the other side (meaning same distances for the rivet holes in
the inner rib HS-405), I get really bad edge distance on HS-710. Right now they
are drilled #40 and with that I have about .125" edge distance on that hole.
The bottom hole thru HS-714 is fine. Plans call for 1/8" rivet in all four
holes but I'm thinking of sticking 3 1/8" rivets and 1 3/32" rivet (in the bad
hole).
Or should I just order new HS-710 and HS-405 and possibly HS-702?
Thanks for your help in advance,
Scott Will
-7A emp
Atlanta, GA
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| Subject: | loose wheel bearings was brake cylinder springs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Alex,
In theory you are correct. I can only reply with my own "anecdotal"
experiences as an auto mechanic. I often find rear wheel drive vehicles
(which also have tapered Timken style roller bearings) with loose front
wheel bearings. It's a simple matter to check and adjust. I use exactly the
method you describe below.
By grasping the tire at the top and bottom (wheel off ground) try to rock
the tire. (Push top toward vehicle, pull bottom towards yourself, then
reverse) There should be no play. If you detect play, you need to readjust
the bearing. Check the achieves. You will find quite a few instances of
brake drag reported due to loose wheel bearings.
Charlie
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>
>
> > Remember, wheel bearings are a "wear" item. The wear is small, but it
> > exists. It's normal to have to re-adjust them from time to
> > time. Charlie Kuss
>
>Properly lubricated, clean and adjusted wheel bearings virtually do not
>wear, they should be good for hundreds of thousands of taxi miles. That
>said, if they don't have proper preload, they will indeed wear, and wear
>fast. Roller bearings are designed to have a line contact with their
>races. If not adjusted properly, the contact area becomes a point -
>ouch. Often what happens to cause slop in the system is that there is a
>little bit of dirt in the contact area of the adjusting nut when the
>initial adjustment occurs. This dirt goes away soon, leaving slop. The
>best way to set up roller bearings is to tighten significantly while
>constantly rotating the wheel (crushing any debris preventing full
>seating). This tightening should cause noticable drag fighting the
>rotation. Then, back off the torque until the bearing is loose, and
>re-snug the nut until the play is gone and add perhaps 10 degrees more
>tightening on the nut.
>
>Alex Peterson
>Maple Grove, MN
>RV6-A N66AP 113 hours
>http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
plaurence@the-beach.net wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: plaurence@the-beach.net
>
>On 15 Aug 2004 at 23:16, David Carter wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>>
>>What is "gel coat"? I've fit my empennage tips and they are smooth
>>white, as they came from Van's. Is the white finish "gel coat"?
>>
>>David
>>
>>
>>
>Yes.
>Used in the boat industry. It's has clay as a componet.
>
>
>Peter
>
That's a new one on me. Could be true of epoxy or vinylester gel coat
..... the old polyurethane resin just had wax added (there were two
types of resins) that came to the surface creating the shiny top coat.
For the life of me I can't see why adding clay would give you a shiny
layer. Can you point me to a URL or a source??? I'm trying to become
educated.
Linn
do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | emergency parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Don,
DON'T BUY a chute without trying it in the plane first! You'll waste
your money. A back pack would not work in my 4 or my Rocket (very
similar front seats). Neither would a Long Softie style pack. Neither
would a regular seat pack. What finally was acceptable was a wedge
style seat pack that had most of the bulk toward the front of the pack.
Notice I didn't say it was a great fit, only acceptable. These cockpits
are tight! BTW, I'm 5'10" and 180#.
The alternative might be to move the rollbar aft enough to make more
room for a backback type, but then you might not be able to reach the
rudder pedals when you're not wearing the chute! Or the seat back might
interfere with the rear stick. Always tradeoffs!
Don't buy before you try! You'll be sorry! The chute companies will be
glad to send you parachutes to try. Paraphernalia send me several.
FWIW, somebody compared the RV-8 cockpit to the RV-4. They are
completely different. Mostly because the RV-8 has GOBS more headroom.
Also has the adjustable rudder pedals. The RV-4 is much tighter.
Vince
Time: 10:03:08 AM PST US
From: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Emergency Parachutes
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
I'm starting to do some formation flying and would like to purchase a
parachute. It seems that Strong, National, and Softie are the preferred
brands.
I'm interested in anyone's opinions about any of the brands as well as
on
the various models they offer.
I'm really interested in the seat vs. back pack tradeoffs. It seems to
me
that with the seat pack works well in the RV-4. But I say this having
tried
neither in my plane.
I'm also curious about if anyone has used or knows about the RV-4
specific
pack that Strong makes. It fits between the seat back and the spar.
Thanks for all of your help.
Don Mei
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| Subject: | Re: Airtech Wingtip lens kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
I like the ones from Creativair...Bill VonDane...pretty snazzy and
reasonably priced.
----- Original Message -----
From: "sportpilot" <sportypilot@stx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Airtech Wingtip lens kit
> --> RV-List message posted by: "sportpilot" <sportypilot@stx.rr.com>
>
> Does the RV8 use the " NOT FOR USE on Sheared Wing Tips. I thought all the
> wings these days were of that type.. ?
>
> I am going to ask the list, whats the best plug and play wingtip
> strobe/position/landing wingtip setup ? who makes it?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RVEIGHTA@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Airtech Wingtip lens kit
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: RVEIGHTA@aol.com
> >
> > I noticed several rv's at Oshkosh had installed nav lights, strobes and
> > landing lights in a very neat looking flush mounted wingtip lens. I
assume
> these
> > are probably the Airtech Wingtip lens kits sold by Van's.
> >
> > Any comments on difficulty of installation, problems in service? I'm
> > considering installing these versus the nav light extensions/leading
edge
> landing &
> > taxi light kit as I did on my RV-8A.
> >
> > Walt Shipley 100 + hours on RV-8A
> > Beginning constructions of RV-8 QB
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | emergency parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
I knew there had to be yet "another" benefit to us side by side guys!!!
At any rate, I have a National 425 (for us "big" guys) backpack type and
rarely wear it. Here's the deal. It's a nice fitting chute on the ground,
but harder then hell on my back in the air. Aside from being hard, It
slides up and down the seat back during those negative g wifferdills, even
if I have my hookers ratcheted down into my thigh! I did see some of the
new chutes at OSH with the sheekskin lining, and I think those would be the
ticket!
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
6'1 - 200+lbs
RV6's, Minneapolis.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frazier, Vincent
A
Subject: RV-List: emergency parachutes
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Don,
DON'T BUY a chute without trying it in the plane first! You'll waste
your money. A back pack would not work in my 4 or my Rocket (very
similar front seats). Neither would a Long Softie style pack. Neither
would a regular seat pack. What finally was acceptable was a wedge
style seat pack that had most of the bulk toward the front of the pack.
Notice I didn't say it was a great fit, only acceptable. These cockpits
are tight! BTW, I'm 5'10" and 180#.
The alternative might be to move the rollbar aft enough to make more
room for a backback type, but then you might not be able to reach the
rudder pedals when you're not wearing the chute! Or the seat back might
interfere with the rear stick. Always tradeoffs!
Don't buy before you try! You'll be sorry! The chute companies will be
glad to send you parachutes to try. Paraphernalia send me several.
FWIW, somebody compared the RV-8 cockpit to the RV-4. They are
completely different. Mostly because the RV-8 has GOBS more headroom.
Also has the adjustable rudder pedals. The RV-4 is much tighter.
Vince
Time: 10:03:08 AM PST US
From: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Emergency Parachutes
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
I'm starting to do some formation flying and would like to purchase a
parachute. It seems that Strong, National, and Softie are the preferred
brands.
I'm interested in anyone's opinions about any of the brands as well as
on
the various models they offer.
I'm really interested in the seat vs. back pack tradeoffs. It seems to
me
that with the seat pack works well in the RV-4. But I say this having
tried
neither in my plane.
I'm also curious about if anyone has used or knows about the RV-4
specific
pack that Strong makes. It fits between the seat back and the spar.
Thanks for all of your help.
Don Mei
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurricane is coming
and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
planes....go figure !
John
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: rebibb@comcast.net
DO NOT ARCHIVE
I wondered the same thing but then I thought about the fact that, in most cases,
there are houses to secure and family members to take care of and make safe.
The idea of Dad flying out of harms was and leaving the rest of the brood alone
to face the storm alone tips the scales in most cases I suspect....
> and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
> harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> planes....go figure !
>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
I wondered the same thing but then I thought about the fact that, in most cases,
there are houses to secure and family members to take care of and make safe.
The idea of Dad flying out of harms was and leaving the rest of the brood alone
to face the storm alone tips the scales in most cases I suspect....
and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
planes....go figure !
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
how you gonna fly a plane out that's broke and grounded BEFORE the hurricane hits?
if you're away on an overseas vacation and can't find a pilot who'll break into
your plane and jump start it, etc, etc, etc.
there's a thousand reasons why it happens and having lived in florida for a many
years and been through a few a these it's usually not because the owner(s) are
idiots and don't give a rip.
take it for the sub-tragedy to the bigger tragedy it's all a part of.
their priorities are right if they had to make a choice to take care of their family
instead of their plane. That's what insurance is for.
do not archive
In a message dated 8/16/2004 11:00:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
writes:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurricane is coming
>and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
>harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
>planes....go figure !
>
>John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Not RV Related, and real long - delete as you see fit, Was |
RE: CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!!!
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Okay both of you... most email clients have a way to automatically delete messages
from specified email addresses. Back in the day we used to call it a kill
file. There are any number of geeks on this list that can tell you how to do
this in detail. Please do it. That way you can both enjoy the list without
seeing messages from anyone you don't like.
Talk about a waste of bandwidth. DO NOT ARCHIVE
Christopher J Fortin <cjfortin@juno.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher J Fortin
Jerry Springer wrote:
>Chris
>This is a public F U to the personal email you sent me. I suggest if
>things here bother you so bad you find another
>list to join. I guess I really don't need to be here after all I have
>been flying my RV-6 for over 15 years, so I guess you
>are right I should just go somewhere else myself.
Jerry,
I guess you're hell bent on airing this in a public forum. I don't
understand why, but you get your wish. But lets put all the cards on the
table. Its not fair to only see one side of the story.
I wrote:
"Ah Jerry. You've been doing so "well" since our talks back in December.
But don't let this little slip get you down. Just like AA says, "One day
at a time".
I'm sorry that you feel the official guidelines shouldn't include the
rule "DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal." I guess Matt should have
passed that by you for your approval before he started "HIS" lists. I
must admit though, you've got quite a set of balls to think that way. I
guess you could always start up a list of your own. Then you could make
all the rules."
Your response to this is noted above. SO, where do I begin. I don't want
to find another list to join. I subscribe to enough right now. True, I do
get a little bothered by the lack of discipline shown here from time to
time. For the most part, I don't see these problems on other lists.
Nowhere in the post did I say you shouldn't be here or that you should go
somewhere else. Read it carefully. I said you could make up any rules you
want if you started your "own" list. You should be proud that you've been
flying your plane for >15 yrs. I know your always saying you were the
first to complete that model kit. That is quite an accomplishment. Having
never seen your plane I don't know if that means you rushed through it to
complete it, or what. So I can't judge that.
I may not agree with a lot of things you say (as evidenced from some of
our previous discussions, see below), but I have stored away some of your
ideas for future use. I don't want to see you leave, just simply play by
the rules.
Chris Fortin
N813CJ reserved
Do not archive
This is where it all began.
RV-list message posted by: Jerry Springer
If people are so thinned skinned that they let a few off topic posts
bother them then
they should maybe find another means of getting information. Lets see
yesterday there
was some good information posted about...Empty weights, Vortex
generators, batteries,
tools, prop performance, cabin heat fuel tank testing, etc. Now if
someone cannot find
any good in any of these topics and can only criticize a topic such as
the Wright Flyer
topic then they are not looking for good information only to gripe. If
the person that did
not like the off topic had posted a valid question instead of complaining
then I am sure
he would have gotten all the help he could ever want.
do not archive
Jerry
Jerry,
The point is - if its an off topic question/answer your going to reply
to, why not take it off list. Why should everybody have to read it. Do
you conduct a conference call with all your neighbors when you call
someone? I agree with others that the list is here for a specific
purpose. These side bars need to go away.
Chris Fortin
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:29:12 -0800 Jerry
Springerjsflyrv@earthlink.net>writes:
You are entitled to your opinions, I just do not happen to agree with
you. This is not like a conference call, this is like a gathering at you
local hanger. If you want to restrict this to building tips and help only
you well lose a lot of people that are already done building or people
like me. I have been flying my RV-6 for 15 years and have been on the
list since 1994. The same questions asked over and over again can be
boring so there needs to be a little color added once in a while...good
luck with your project.
Jerry,
You missed the point I was trying to convey. I just wish that you would
take "your" replies to the off topic subjects off list. I'm not
interested in hearing them, as are many others. Why is it you feel the
need to include everyone on the list when your reply is being directed to
a specific individual. I'm sorry that you find the same questions being
asked over and over again, boring. I thought the list existed to help
people with issues regarding building and flying RVs. Not everybody
started at the same time so I would expect that these questions would
return time and time again. Below you will find the guidelines that apply
to the list. It looks pretty straightforward to me. Just wish people
would abide by them. It would certainly cut down on the clutter.
Chris Fortin
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules
therein. Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may
result in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
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The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things
related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to
serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality
content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its
members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires
the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List.
To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
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- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
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- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then
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button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to
the original poster. You might have to actively address your response
with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to
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and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the
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- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
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- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite
and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other
listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial
issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings,
waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:43:12 -0800 Jerry Springer
writes:
Funny, I don't see your name on the list of financial contributors to the
list anywhere in Matts list of contributors. I sure hope you write to the
guy that posted how many "RV's to change a light bulb" After all he is
just wasting your time by writing that. It is obvious you are new here so
learn to lighten up and get to know the people that post to the list. I
have made a whole bunch of really great friends through this list. I have
been to Matt Dralles house and taken him for a ride in my RV-6. I did the
Beta testing for his FuelChek fuel computer. Lighten up Chris and you
well be happier.
Jerry
Jerry,
I guess I will address the points in your reply and then maybe you will
finally answer my questions.
- "It is obvious you are new here so learn to lighten up and get to know
the people that post to the list."
Your right, I am new to the list. Been here for less than a year.
- "I sure hope you write to the guy that posted how many "RV's to change
a light bulb"."
I must have missed that post. But I have in the past replied to others
when the clutter exceeded my tolerance level.
- "Funny, I don't see your name on the list of financial contributors to
the list anywhere in Matts list of contributors."
Your right about this one also. I assume that you bring this up as a way
to justify that you have a vested interest in the list. This somehow
gives you the right to disregard the general rules that were set up to
guide the behavior of the participants. I guess if I made a financial
contribution I would be entitled to more of a say in the list conduct.
- "I have been to Matt Dralles house and taken him for a ride in my
RV-6. I did the Beta testing for his FuelChek fuel computer.
Ah, is this more justification for your disregard of the guidelines.
"He's my personal friend and he owes me for the beta testing."
Ok lets get to my questions. Below are excerpts from the list guidelines
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List. You
are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result in
the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things
related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to
serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality
content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its
members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires
the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List.
To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then
go ahead and reply to the List.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to
add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree",
and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the
original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
Questions:
1. After reading these guidelines, do you feel it is correct to post a
reply to an off topic subject to the entire list instead of the
individual you are writing to?
2. Do you agree the list guidelines apply to you in the same manner as me
even though I have no vested monetary interest.
3. Do you think that all the flaming that gets perpetuated by posting to
the entire list would be lessened if everybody wasn't bombarded with it
and felt the need to jump on the bandwagon? Is this how we are suppose to
promote moral support and camaraderie?
4. Do you think I have the right to expect that people will follow these
guidelines as intended by Matt?
I'll leave the questions at that.
One other thing, I assume that in your 2 previous responses you meant to
use the word "will" instead of "well", because well is not really a verb.
See definitions below. "Lighten up Chris and you well be happier." "If
you want to restrict this to building tips and help only you well lose a
lot of people that are already done building or people like me."
well (noun)
1. A deep hole or shaft sunk into the earth to obtain water, oil,
gas, or brine.
2. A container or reservoir for a liquid, such as ink.
c. A place where water issues from the earth; a spring or fountain.
d. A mineral spring.
e. wells A watering place; a spa.
f. An abundant source: a well of information.
g. An open space extending vertically through the floors of a
building, as for stairs or ventilation.
well (adverb)
1. In a good or proper manner: behaved well.
2. Skillfully or proficiently: dances well.
3. Satisfactorily or sufficiently: slept well.
4. Successfully or effectively: gets along well with people.
5. In a comfortable or affluent manner: lived well.
6. In a manner affording benefit or gain; advantageously: married
well.
7. With reason or propriety; reasonably: can't very well say no.
8. In all likelihood; indeed: You may well need your umbrella.
will (aux verb past tense)
1. Used to indicate simple futurity: They will appear later.
2. Used to indicate likelihood or certainty: You will regret this.
3. Used to indicate willingness: Will you help me with this package?
4. Used to indicate requirement or command: You will report to me
afterward.
5. Used to indicate intention: I will too if I feel like it.
6. Used to indicate customary or habitual action: People will talk.
7. Used to indicate capacity or ability: This metal will not crack
under heavy pressure.
8. Used to indicate probability or expectation: That will be the
messenger ringing.
I'll overlook the "you" instead of "your" in the following sentence.
"This is not like a conference call, this is like a gathering at you
local hanger."
Chris Fortin
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 13:13:51 -0800 Jerry Springer
writes:
I have a good idea how to end this Chris and that is for you to go FUCK
yourself. DO NOT PRIVATE EMAIL ME AGAIN, ALL OTHER POSTS FROM YOU
***WELL*** BE POSTED PUBLICLY. Apparently I am not as learned as you are
nor am I as good at spelling or typing as you. It must really be great to
be perfect, just to bad your tolerance level is so low. BTW how ides it
feel to be a cheapscape and a jerk at the same time?
Jerry
Jerry,
Well, I guess that answering your questions was not enough to elicit a
civil response to mine. I can only assume that you do not have the
courage to admit the shortcomings in your ability to follow a "simple"
set of rules that were set up for everyone. Maybe I'm being a little
harsh on you. Having spent a good deal of my life in the military where
you are required to follow rules, I sometimes forget others are not up to
the task. I can only imagine what a joy it must have been to have you as
a student. And as far as being not as learned as me, all you need is a
high school education.
I never claimed to be perfect. This is an idea that you have formulated.
I would probably attribute this to feelings of inadequacy and a product
of low self-esteem. Feel free to put this into a public forum if you
desire. I would expect nothing less of you, as this is what prompted this
whole discussion, "the fact that you cannot seem to take things off the
list". I seriously doubt that you will because others would then be privy
to your shortcomings. God only knows how people on the list would react
to this farce. I imagine that plenty would jump on the bandwagon with
very witty remarks. I have a thick skin but have doubts about yours. But
I see that this conversation is falling on deaf ears. Your behavior has
not changed after having it brought to your attention. You are still
jumping on the bandwagon as evidenced with one of your latest posts.(see
below)
One last question. What does it cost to not be a cheapskate (not
cheapscape, yes a joy indeed) / jerk and disregard the list rules? If
its not a lot. I might consider it. LOL
Chris Fortin
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Time: 04:31:14 AM PST US
From: Jerry Springer
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: AeroElectric-List: Cockpit "Audio out" to
videocamera
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
my my I think we all should send this this person a nice friendly
e-mail. LOL
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HereBostonTim@aol.com wrote
Jerry Springer wrote:
[snip]
>Other words you don't like it when other people voice their opinions? No
>one has told Jeff not to
>try to design it for an RV. I believe he also can learn a lot form the
>differing opinions out there.
>Your "loss" to move to a list that only has ideas that agree with yours.
>I am sure he can also use
>the feedback to determine what his market would be. There is probably a
>good representation
>of RV builders and flyers here.
>Jerry
>do not archive
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" <ollie-6a@prodigy.net>
Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the planes
be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so people in
Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
guess from the sideline.
Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurricane is coming
> and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
> harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> planes....go figure !
>
> John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: emergency parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Stein Bruch wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>I knew there had to be yet "another" benefit to us side by side guys!!!
>
>At any rate, I have a National 425 (for us "big" guys) backpack type and
>rarely wear it. Here's the deal. It's a nice fitting chute on the ground,
>but harder then hell on my back in the air. Aside from being hard, It
>slides up and down the seat back during those negative g wifferdills, even
>if I have my hookers ratcheted down into my thigh! I did see some of the
>new chutes at OSH with the sheekskin lining, and I think those would be the
>ticket!
>
>Just my 2 cents.
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>6'1 - 200+lbs
>RV6's, Minneapolis.
>
Good point! You can send your 'chute to
Allen Silver (510) 785-7070
P.O. box 6092
Hayward CA 94540
He's great to work with (replaced my Security 'chute canopy awhile back)
and has great turnaround. Give him a call.
He can add a 'seat' to the backpack ...... if you have any headroom left
:-P .
At 6'1" you might end up with a cracked canopy like my Pitts has .....
outside snaps can be hard on the canopy!!! Having a hard head also helps.
The only other thing I can think of is that your 'chute crotch straps
may be a little loose ..... cinch them up and the 'chute may stop riding up.
How do you like the ratchet straps??? My Pitts still has the std. 5
point harness.
Linn
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frazier, Vincent
>A
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: emergency parachutes
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
>
>Don,
>
>DON'T BUY a chute without trying it in the plane first! You'll waste
>your money. A back pack would not work in my 4 or my Rocket (very
>similar front seats). Neither would a Long Softie style pack. Neither
>would a regular seat pack. What finally was acceptable was a wedge
>style seat pack that had most of the bulk toward the front of the pack.
>
>
>Notice I didn't say it was a great fit, only acceptable. These cockpits
>are tight! BTW, I'm 5'10" and 180#.
>
>The alternative might be to move the rollbar aft enough to make more
>room for a backback type, but then you might not be able to reach the
>rudder pedals when you're not wearing the chute! Or the seat back might
>interfere with the rear stick. Always tradeoffs!
>
>Don't buy before you try! You'll be sorry! The chute companies will be
>glad to send you parachutes to try. Paraphernalia send me several.
>
>FWIW, somebody compared the RV-8 cockpit to the RV-4. They are
>completely different. Mostly because the RV-8 has GOBS more headroom.
>Also has the adjustable rudder pedals. The RV-4 is much tighter.
>
>Vince
>
>
>Time: 10:03:08 AM PST US
>From: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Emergency Parachutes
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I'm starting to do some formation flying and would like to purchase a
>parachute. It seems that Strong, National, and Softie are the preferred
>
>brands.
>
>I'm interested in anyone's opinions about any of the brands as well as
>on
>the various models they offer.
>
>I'm really interested in the seat vs. back pack tradeoffs. It seems to
>me
>that with the seat pack works well in the RV-4. But I say this having
>tried
>neither in my plane.
>
>I'm also curious about if anyone has used or knows about the RV-4
>specific
>pack that Strong makes. It fits between the seat back and the spar.
>
>Thanks for all of your help.
>
>Don Mei
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: ogoodwin@comcast.net
Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
>
> Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the planes
> be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so people in
> Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
> guess from the sideline.
> Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John"
> To:
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John"
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> > Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurricane is coming
> > and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
> > harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> > planes....go figure !
> >
> > John
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" <OLLIE-6A@PRODIGY.NET>
Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the planes
be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so people in
Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
guess from the sideline.
Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <N1CXO320@SALIDACO.COM>
To: <RV-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
-- RV-List message posted by: "John" <N1CXO320@SALIDACO.COM>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurric
ane is coming
and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
planes....go figure !
John
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
John wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurricane is coming
>and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
>harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
>planes....go figure !
>
>John
>
OK, I'll go figure!!! You arm-chair quarterbacks just have never been
faced with the vagaries of a hurricane nor the vagaries of local
politics. Lemme explain ..... just so you MAY just get a little
perspective.
#1 .... Charley was forecast to make landfall as a cat 2 hurricane at
Tampa. Some moved their planes to Kissimmee and Orlando .... maybe 50
miles or so inland.
#2 Charley took the forecasters by surprise (surprise!!!) by turning
eastward and growing to a cat 4 monster.
#3 By the time Charley turned, the roads had already been closed due to
predictions of high winds. the word was ... "if you haven't evacuated
yet .... stay put.
#4 Faced with trying to make your home better prepared for a hurricane
or flying off to some other place .... which would you do? Can you fit
your whole (extended) family in your plane to evacuate them too? Most
can't.
#5 With 145 MPH winds (faster than most GA planes are capable of)
almost nothing is safe. Major steel structures collapsed and some
shelters did too. Folks lost their lives, livelihood, homes, and some
.... everything they had. And you're bellyaching about flying a $60K
airplane out? You're rather pathetic, in my book. You'd probably feel
the same way about folks in Tornado Alley too!
#6 Folks from the Tampa area moved their airplanes to Orlando and tied
them down to the wires strung through tiedowns on the ramp. The storm
pulled the tiedowns out of the ground and here sits a row of airplanes
on their back still tied to the cables that stretched across the
bellies. How good are your tiedowns???
Sorry for the rant, but I'm a little ticked. Charley missed me by about
60 miles (X59 if you're interested) and I appreciate all those that
asked after my wellbeing. I'm fine, and my birds are fine .... and I
feel terribly lucky. We're a tight knit community ..... and some of our
friends are in dire need of some help. You just can't imagine the
devastation that a hurricane Andrew (cat 5 .... the max) and Charley
(cat 4) can wreak. When you see a picture in your paper .... it's just
one small sliver of what's around. How fortunate y'all are not to
witness it firsthand.
Linn
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: "sportpilot" <sportypilot@stx.rr.com>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
But then again who knows where to fly too, east (storm could go
there too) west (lots of water) north (check the storm path) , south is the
"not so good either" being 1000 miles east of FL , still does not get you
clear of the possible
path.. and again your correct , can you imagine "Your going to do
what! ? and leave us here alone ? " I don't
think so.. grin..
Danny..
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> I wondered the same thing but then I thought about the fact that, in most
cases, there are houses to secure and family members to take care of and
make safe. The idea of Dad flying out of harms was and leaving the rest of
the brood alone to face the storm alone tips the scales in most cases I
suspect....
>
>
> > and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out
of
> > harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> > planes....go figure !
> >
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> I wondered the same thing but then I thought about the fact that, in most
cases, there are houses to secure and family members to take care of and
make safe. The idea of Dad flying out of harms was and leaving the rest of
the brood alone to face the storm alone tips the scales in most cases I
suspect....
>
>
> and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out
of
> harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> planes....go figure !
>
>
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| Subject: | Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Linn and others in Florida,
Thanks for checking in and letting us know what's going on down there. Like
I suspect a whole lot of other people on the list, I have been worrying and
wondering about the many RV builders and your families and friends in
Florida since the news started saying there was something serious to worry
about. I'm sure John's comments were much more innocent than it obviously
sounded to those in the thick of things. From a perspective of a long ways
away and informed only by TV news which of course searches out the most
dramatic pictures, I know John wasn't the only one who wondered why all
those apparently perfectly good airplanes didn't get the hell out of there.
I hope many of them did, with their owners and families.
It's a little like wondering why anyone in tornado country would live in a
trailer park, when it's perfectly obvious that trailer parks attract
tornados. Just look at the TV news.
Good luck to you all. I know that for many it is going to a long haul
getting back to normal.
Terry
Seattle
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Just curious, what are the families suppposed to do while mom or dad are winging
their way to safety? I was little when hurricane Camile hit. Dad packed up
the car with our camping trailer on the back. All he took were our clothes,
a bunch of canned food, and some photo albums (at my mother's insistance.) The
rest, he said was replacable, but we were not.
ogoodwin@comcast.net wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: ogoodwin@comcast.net
Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
>
> Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the planes
> be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so people in
> Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
> guess from the sideline.
> Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John"
> To:
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John"
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> > Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurricane is coming
> > and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
> > harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> > planes....go figure !
> >
> > John
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the planes
be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so people in
Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
guess from the sideline.
Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
-- RV-List message posted by: "John"
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurric
ane is coming
and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
planes....go figure !
John
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--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
It's been pointed out that my 'pathetic' statement to John was pretty
strong .... and I agree. I don't even know John! I apologize to John
and the list. Just have a little compassion, please.
Linn
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| Subject: | EAA Tech Advisor... |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
I have seen some talk about having an EAA Tech Advisor review your progress. How
do you get one of those? is that a formal program
offered through the EAA where you request it from them and then someone calls you?
I looked at the EAA site but did not see anything
about it. Thanks.
- Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia |
--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
Okay I'll bite. How does a pressurization problem at 13,000 ft lead to
running into a stop sign? I've been at 16,000 ft without any
pressurization (no motor for that matter) and it never occured to me
that I had a problem. :-) Am I missing something?
Godspeed,
Phil
> <>Patrick Swayze got lucky with his highway landing,
> however his aircraft did not fair quite as well.
>
> Plane Crash Involving Actor Patrick Swayze
>
> On 1 June 2000, actor Patrick Swayze escaped injury after he made an
> emergency landing in a housing development in Prescott Valley, AZ. He had
> been en route from Van Nuys, CA to Las Vegas, NM when his aircraft
> apparently had a pressurization problem at about 13,000 feet. The
> following
> synopsis is taken from the NTSB report on the accident.
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Generally you ask at your local chapter. Failing that, There is a listing
on the EAA web site under members only. Click on Building, then tech
counselor. You can do a search by chapter number or state. Many chapters
have more than one. You can also phone using the EAA info number found in
your EAA magazine.
Cy Galley
Safety Programs Editor
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Subject: RV-List: EAA Tech Advisor... (not processed: message from valid
local sender)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>
> I have seen some talk about having an EAA Tech Advisor review your
progress. How do you get one of those? is that a formal program
> offered through the EAA where you request it from them and then someone
calls you? I looked at the EAA site but did not see anything
> about it. Thanks.
>
> - Matt
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" <jcimino@echoes.net>
Matt,
You can go to the EAA Web Site, they have a list of Technical Counselors
and find one near you. It is not a real formal program, but if you find a
good one, he will be a big help. He can check your progress and also send
in reports to EAA which will help with your insurance. You should also
check into the Flight Advisor Program especially when you get close to
finishing. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask.
Jim Cimino
James Cimino
RV-8 SN 80039
100+ Hours
570-842-4057
http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Subject: RV-List: EAA Tech Advisor... (not processed: message from valid
local sender)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>
> I have seen some talk about having an EAA Tech Advisor review your
progress. How do you get one of those? is that a formal program
> offered through the EAA where you request it from them and then someone
calls you? I looked at the EAA site but did not see anything
> about it. Thanks.
>
> - Matt
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
Linn,
What you've just described is the difference between
laminating resin and finishing resin. Laminating
resin does not contain paraffin wax, and the surface
does not completely harden when cured. Finishing
resin, on the other hand, has the paraffin which rises
to the surface when the resin cures. The wax causes
the resin to form a hard and clear surface. Finishing
resin is not typically used in mold layups, but it is
used when things such as surfboards or wood surfaces
are finished with fiberglass and /or polyester resin.
Gel-coat is a substance that is applied to the mold
(after the mold release) before the fiberglass layup.
Gel-coat helps fill the voids in the fiberglass mat
and also provides color to the finished product. I
don't know what gelcoat is made from.
Skylor
--- linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> >Peter
> >
> That's a new one on me. Could be true of epoxy or
> vinylester gel coat
> ..... the old polyurethane resin just had wax added
> (there were two
> types of resins) that came to the surface creating
> the shiny top coat.
> For the life of me I can't see why adding clay would
> give you a shiny
> layer. Can you point me to a URL or a source???
> I'm trying to become
> educated.
> Linn
> do not archive
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
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> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
>Okay I'll bite. How does a pressurization problem at 13,000 ft lead to
>running into a stop sign? I've been at 16,000 ft without any
>pressurization (no motor for that matter) and it never occured to me
>that I had a problem. :-) Am I missing something?
>
>Godspeed,
>
>Phil
>
Just guessing here, but I bet the reporter geek heard the word "pressure" at
some point and immediately thought OHmigod! Loss of cabin pressure!! We're
all gonna die!! Gimme my mask!!!!
A MUCH more likely cause of the stop sign prang is loss of fuel or oil
pressure!
Yet another media fubar no doubt.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Skylor Piper wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
>
>Linn,
>
>What you've just described is the difference between
>laminating resin and finishing resin. Laminating
>resin does not contain paraffin wax, and the surface
>does not completely harden when cured. Finishing
>resin, on the other hand, has the paraffin which rises
>to the surface when the resin cures. The wax causes
>the resin to form a hard and clear surface. Finishing
>resin is not typically used in mold layups, but it is
>used when things such as surfboards or wood surfaces
>are finished with fiberglass and /or polyester resin.
>
>Gel-coat is a substance that is applied to the mold
>(after the mold release) before the fiberglass layup.
>Gel-coat helps fill the voids in the fiberglass mat
>and also provides color to the finished product. I
>don't know what gelcoat is made from.
>
>
>Skylor
>
You're absolutely correct. My mental malfunction. It was a long day.
Many years ago I was making 'beach buggy' bodies .... and used the gel
coat as you described. It keeps the weave of the fiberglas from showing
through on the surface. Don't know where my head was at .... probably
way back with that surfboard!!! Thanks for keeping me straight!
Linn
>--- linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>>Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>That's a new one on me. Could be true of epoxy or
>>vinylester gel coat
>>..... the old polyurethane resin just had wax added
>>(there were two
>>types of resins) that came to the surface creating
>>the shiny top coat.
>>For the life of me I can't see why adding clay would
>>give you a shiny
>>layer. Can you point me to a URL or a source???
>>I'm trying to become
>>educated.
>>Linn
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Contributions
>>any other
>>Forums.
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/chat
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/subscription
>>http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
>>http://www.matronics.com/archives
>>http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
>>http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
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--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Skylor Piper wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
>
>Linn,
>
>What you've just described is the difference between
>laminating resin and finishing resin. Laminating
>resin does not contain paraffin wax, and the surface
>does not completely harden when cured. Finishing
>resin, on the other hand, has the paraffin which rises
>to the surface when the resin cures. The wax causes
>the resin to form a hard and clear surface. Finishing
>resin is not typically used in mold layups, but it is
>used when things such as surfboards or wood surfaces
>are finished with fiberglass and /or polyester resin.
>
>Gel-coat is a substance that is applied to the mold
>(after the mold release) before the fiberglass layup.
>Gel-coat helps fill the voids in the fiberglass mat
>and also provides color to the finished product. I
>don't know what gelcoat is made from.
>
>
>Skylor
>
You're absolutely correct. My mental malfunction. It was a long day.
Many years ago I was making 'beach buggy' bodies .... and used the gel
coat as you described. It keeps the weave of the fiberglas from showing
through on the surface. Don't know where my head was at .... probably
way back with that surfboard!!! Thanks for keeping me straight!
Linn
do not archive
>--- linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>>Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>That's a new one on me. Could be true of epoxy or
>>vinylester gel coat
>>..... the old polyurethane resin just had wax added
>>(there were two
>>types of resins) that came to the surface creating
>>the shiny top coat.
>>For the life of me I can't see why adding clay would
>>give you a shiny
>>layer. Can you point me to a URL or a source???
>>I'm trying to become
>>educated.
>>Linn
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Contributions
>>any other
>>Forums.
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/chat
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/subscription
>>http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
>>http://www.matronics.com/archives
>>http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
>>http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia |
08/16/2004 02:26:36 PM,
Serialize complete at 08/16/2004 02:26:36 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com
Actually the Patrick Swayze thing has a lot more intregue than a
"pressure" problem. He landed on an empty road not 10 miles from Prescott
airport, dissappeared from the scene overnight and there are news reports
of empty beer bottles and some full ones being removed from the plane.
Scott
"Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
08/16/2004 12:41 PM
Please respond to rv-list
To: rv-list@matronics.com
cc:
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rocket Lands Safely On Highway in Georgia
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
>Okay I'll bite. How does a pressurization problem at 13,000 ft lead to
>running into a stop sign? I've been at 16,000 ft without any
>pressurization (no motor for that matter) and it never occured to me
>that I had a problem. :-) Am I missing something?
>
>Godspeed,
>
>Phil
>
Just guessing here, but I bet the reporter geek heard the word "pressure"
at
some point and immediately thought OHmigod! Loss of cabin pressure!! We're
all gonna die!! Gimme my mask!!!!
A MUCH more likely cause of the stop sign prang is loss of fuel or oil
pressure!
Yet another media fubar no doubt.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | vaccum system for sale |
3.6 ALT_MED Misspelled medication name
--> RV-List message posted by: "glennpaulwilkinson" <gpww@alltel.net>
I have a vacuum system for sale...all parts have 49 hrs of flight time and were
working perfectly when removed from -4.
-Airborne vacuum pump model 211CC w/ cooling shroud
-Vacuum regulator model 2H3-2
-Sigma-Tek Attitude Gyro model 5000B
-RC Allen DG Model RCA 11A-8
Asking $1500.00
Glenn Wilkinson
RV-4 N654RV @ OKZ
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--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
I once landed a sailplane on a road. While off airport landings are not
as uncommon in sailplanes as they are in airplanes this particular
landing caused parts of the airplane to be deposited along different
parts of West Texas. Myself and my passenger were both fine.
Although no one could find any fault in my landing or choice of landing
spots (that post was in a really odd place) and even the FAA guy said
that it was no big deal, I was still kicking myself for months
afterwards. Once, my wife-to-be asked "Everybody else said there was
nothing wrong with the landing and you did all that you could do given
the circumstances, so why are you still kicking yourself."
My answer to her was that it wasn't the landing that I was kicking
myself about. It was decisions that I had made 30 minutes prior to the
landing, that led to my being low on altitude, airspeed and ideas that
had me upset. The FAA and everybody else can say that I did fine under
the circumstances but I know deep-down that if I had made some different
choices earlier in the flight I would have landed at the airport.
When it was all said and done it made a better pilot out of me, and I'm
thankful that it was only some broken fiberglass. So I tend to agree
with Donald, very seldom do pilots get themselves into these kind of
situations without there having been some choice that they could (or
should) have made differently. I don't want to sound like I am passing
judgement (which is why I included my story), and I am glad that he is
alive and well and that GA didn't take another nasty hit in the media,
but if we don't try to learn from other peoples mistakes then we'll be
destined to learn from our own. I hope someone can learn from mine.
Godspeed,
Phil
Donald Mei wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
>
>
>While we're all busy feeling good about the reasonable article, I'm afraid
>we've lost sight of another equally important issue.
>
>Sometimes when someone goes down, we shake our head and think "that could've
>been me". Other times we think to ourselves "stupid idiot, I wonder how
>long he's been tempting fate".
>
>I'm afraid that (based on this very preliminary info) this person appears to
>fall into the second category. Performing a very skillful landing is NO NO
>NO consolation for excercising what appears (granted, facts may not be
>correct at this point) to be very poor judgement.
>
>Snip
>The 46-year-old Rodman flew out of Ft. Lauderdale at 6:30 Wednesday morning.
>He was scheduled to refuel in Dawson. But low on fuel and lost because of
>the fog and light rain, decided to set down on the highway.
>snip
>
>so he took off in mvfr/ifr weather destined for a foggy airport without
>appropriate nav equipment to find the airport. It sounds to me like someone
>had a bit of get-home-itis and decided to scud run.
>
>I don't care if he is an expert pilot with 17 ratings and endorsements.
>
>snip
>"He started noticing a lot of towers buzzing by his window. Based on that
>and the low visibility he decided to go ahead and land on the highway rather
>than have an accident."
>snip
>
>hmm. so while scud running, he decided it was a bit too low when he was
>towers going by. because of his poor judgement, he put innocent motorists
>at risk also.
>
>With rights, come responsibilities. Our responsibility is to not put
>passengers and people on the ground at risk.
>
>Whats that old saying "my excellent judgement precludes me from having to
>demonstrate my exceptional skill"
>
>Don
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Thanks Tom,
I am in Fresno, CA. I noticed there are two chapters here in town. I will look
around for someone...
- Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: tech advisor
> Check with your local EAA chapter.
>
> We have one in our chapter here in Apple Valley, CA.
>
> If you had put your city and state on your email, we might know where
> to send you for help.
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
>
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jaye and Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
if I had made some different
> choices earlier in the flight
This is why it's called a "chain of events" that lead to an accident or
incident. It's rarely just one mistake or oversight that causes an incident,
those have been engineered out of the operation pretty well by now. It's
when one combines with another, and a chain starts.
Scott in Vancouver
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jaye and Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
I kinda' wondered about this too. I don't know how far inland or north one
has to fly to get their aircraft out of the path of a hurricane, or if they
are assured of even a tiedown when they get there, but I'd sure feel uneasy
about turning my back on m'lady and the kids to scoot over the horizon and
leave them to face it without me....
Scott in vAncouver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Vanartsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> Just curious, what are the families suppposed to do while mom or dad are
winging their way to safety? I was little when hurricane Camile hit. Dad
packed up the car with our camping trailer on the back. All he took were
our clothes, a bunch of canned food, and some photo albums (at my mother's
insistance.) The rest, he said was replacable, but we were not.
>
> ogoodwin@comcast.net wrote:--> RV-List message posted by:
ogoodwin@comcast.net
>
> Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
> >
> > Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the
planes
> > be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so
people in
> > Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
> > guess from the sideline.
> > Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John"
> > >
> > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > >
> > > Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurricane is
coming
> > > and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing
out of
> > > harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> > > planes....go figure !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
>
> Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the
planes
> be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so people
in
> Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
> guess from the sideline.
> Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John"
> To:
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
>
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "John"
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurric
> ane is coming
> and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
> harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> planes....go figure !
>
> John
>
>
> SUBSCRIBE: http://www.matronics.com/subscription
>
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
>
> When a man does all he can
> though it succeeds not well,
> blame not him that did it."
> -- George Washington
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Ever hear about "hurricane evacuation"? Fly the plane out of path of storm?
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Finn Lassen" <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
Subject: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
> --> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
>
> I keep my RV-3 outside.
> After looking at news pictures of mangled hangars and planes in
> Charley's path, I'm beginning to wonder how stong the tie-down points
> are. In my RV-3 I think only two 3/16" bolts hold the tie-down pipe to
> the spar web. (By tie-down pipe I mean that thing the O-bolts screw into.)
>
> Assuming that the ropes and ground anchors are strong enough, what kind
> of sustained winds will these points theoretically withstand?
> Is lift diectly proportional with speed?
>
> I understand that putting sandbags on top of the wings will spoil lift,
> but there is still the push on the underside of the wings. And of
> course, even if my plane stays put it may still get hit by other loose
> planes and debris.
>
> I guess the only safe measure is to fly it out of any predicted
> hurricane path. I count myself blessed that Charley didn't hit Tampa Bay
> as was predicted.
>
> Finn
>
>
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| Subject: | 6-A kit for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Hicks <bilhicks@swbell.net>
Partially built 6A kit for sale so can purchase the rest of 10 kit. Please contact
off line. do not archive.
Thanks
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
I'm thinking we all need a big group hug... can you tell I'm from
Kalifornia?
Now the question is where do we all meet for this hug. Given that its one
more excuse to go flying I would suggest South Africa as a means to get the
most flying out of one excuse, but some may not be able to resist the list
for that long of a period.
And for those of you who already live in South Africa, maybe you could fly
here to show us how to get there???
So far I don't see where the rules have been so grossly violated that this
much muster has been flustered all about.
The sun is shining, our planes are flying or soon to be so. Take a deep
breath and go kill a few hundred rivets, then take your 4X gun to the side
of your PC and do something important like finish your airplane, flight
plans, Fall airshow plans etc.
remember the 60s - Peace and Love Brothers and Sisters -
Ahhhluuuminnnnnaaaaahhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Sure, I'm going to abandon my wife to the hurricane - NOT. My perspective
is based on being in Texas - hurricanes hit the coast - anywhere, and come
in maybe 100 or 150 miles with rain and wind. All us folks on coast have to
do is fly the plane to Austin - about 2 days before land-fall - EARLY, have
the wife drive the 4 hours (from Beaumont), we go back (4 more hours) and
pack up the car, board up the windows, and wait to see where it is really
aiming, then take off in car if necessary. As some say, "Your mileage may
vary" - your scenario may be different if in "deep south" Florida - but if
you are in Texas, La, Miss, Ala, or norther Fl, you can do something like I
plan, if you want to.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Vanartsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> Just curious, what are the families suppposed to do while mom or dad are
winging their way to safety? I was little when hurricane Camile hit. Dad
packed up the car with our camping trailer on the back. All he took were
our clothes, a bunch of canned food, and some photo albums (at my mother's
insistance.) The rest, he said was replacable, but we were not.
>
> ogoodwin@comcast.net wrote:--> RV-List message posted by:
ogoodwin@comcast.net
>
> Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
> >
> > Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the
planes
> > be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so
people in
> > Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
> > guess from the sideline.
> > Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John"
> > >
> > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > >
> > > Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurricane is
coming
> > > and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing
out of
> > > harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> > > planes....go figure !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
>
> Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the
planes
> be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so people
in
> Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
> guess from the sideline.
> Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John"
> To:
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
>
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "John"
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurric
> ane is coming
> and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
> harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> planes....go figure !
>
> John
>
>
> SUBSCRIBE: http://www.matronics.com/subscription
>
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
>
> When a man does all he can
> though it succeeds not well,
> blame not him that did it."
> -- George Washington
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "The Hydes" <nauga@brick.net>
Revised version of what I sent Don offline...
I borrowed a backpack (East German, brand unknown) and
seat-pack (Strong 304) chute (thanks, Ken Balch!) for my
RV-4 prior to first flight. With the backpack on I was
pushed far enough forward in the seat that my head would
hit the forward, downsloping, portion of the canopy - this
was with no cushion. With the seat pack and no other cushions
I've got enough room under the canopy to wear a military helmet
(which I gave up on for other reasons). I've since bought
a Strong 304 and it's pretty comfortable. As long as I'm
solo I plan to wear it - cheap insurance - rather than use
cushions. I looked at the RV-specific seat pack chute
Strong makes, but it was thicker than the 304, so I went
with the 304. The borrowed backpack fits fine in the back
seat, not that I'll ever use on back there, and I've since
returned it. The Strong RV-4 model is not as long or wide
as the 304, and is designed to fit between the spar and the
seat back, but *my* 304 fits between *my* spar and seat back
just fine.
Most of my height (72") is in my torso, so I'm probably not a
representative sample, but that was my case. My cockpit is
set up to standard dimensions, and I can't see wearing anything
that's going to push me farther forward. I'm sure glad I tried
before I bought.
Hope this helps,
Dave Hyde
RV-4 in flight test, EAA Tech Counselor
nauga@brick.net
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Quite a ways, that's if you know which way the storm is going to go. Most times
you don't know where it's going to go until it goes there. These storms are
huge. My RV-4 would be hard pressed to fly from edge to edge of even a medium
sized hurricane. I've been through 2 hurricanes. The last thing you think
about is "gee, I hope my airplane is okay."
I'm really not trying to rub anything in to those who have never been through a
hurricane (count your blessings) Just trying to get across the enormity of these
storms.
Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@telus.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jaye and Scott Jackson"
I kinda' wondered about this too. I don't know how far inland or north one
has to fly to get their aircraft out of the path of a hurricane, or if they
are assured of even a tiedown when they get there, but I'd sure feel uneasy
about turning my back on m'lady and the kids to scoot over the horizon and
leave them to face it without me....
Scott in vAncouver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Vanartsdalen"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen
>
> Just curious, what are the families suppposed to do while mom or dad are
winging their way to safety? I was little when hurricane Camile hit. Dad
packed up the car with our camping trailer on the back. All he took were
our clothes, a bunch of canned food, and some photo albums (at my mother's
insistance.) The rest, he said was replacable, but we were not.
>
> ogoodwin@comcast.net wrote:--> RV-List message posted by:
ogoodwin@comcast.net
>
> Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
> >
> > Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the
planes
> > be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so
people in
> > Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
> > guess from the sideline.
> > Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John"
> > >
> > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > >
> > > Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurricane is
coming
> > > and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing
out of
> > > harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> > > planes....go figure !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
>
> Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the
planes
> be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so people
in
> Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
> guess from the sideline.
> Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John"
> To:
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
>
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "John"
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurric
> ane is coming
> and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
> harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> planes....go figure !
>
> John
>
>
> SUBSCRIBE: http://www.matronics.com/subscription
>
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
>
> When a man does all he can
> though it succeeds not well,
> blame not him that did it."
> -- George Washington
>
>
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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| Subject: | Hurricane memories! Some B.S. from an Old F#@%! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lwfeatherston@aol.com
Do Not Archive! I always had a very good time remembering a hurricane that
hit the panhandle of Florida in 1957 (or so). I was a lad of 15 striving for
my pilots license, and as a hurricane approached the area near Graham Air
Base, Marianna, Florida, all the instructors were ordered to fly the T-28's to
safety up to Craig AFB, Selma, Alabama. So my father took off, and left me
as "head of the household" to protect my mother, and two sisters. Now flash
forward some 30 or 40 years later, and I was astounding my United Airline
copilots with my flying experience which I told them included "57 gear-up
landings" before I was hired by United. I would explain that they all occurred
on
one day, and that I did them intentionally to save the airplanes from damage.
"Page two" as the news commentator would always say, was that I only
weighed about 152 lbs. and I was selected by the mechanics to run from one T-34
to
the next while they (about 15 or 20 of them) lifted the plane up, I
retracted the gear, and they set it down on sand bags, put more sand bags on the
wings, and so on, and so on. The storm did come really hard, and maybe, just
maybe, I saved 57 T-34's for the guys on another list. Pardon my rambling, but
it did my "old f#%& brain" some good to reminisce. I am very, very sorry for
those who lost or suffered damage to their airplanes. I hope your loss is
minimal, and I do not pretend that my story is important in the light of your
issue's. Just thought it might be a note to lighten the tension. Please
feel free to use my airstrip as a hurricane escape route next time. Les
Featherston N206KT Harmon Rocket II "Airgasm" near Mt Vernon, MO.
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| Subject: | Matco Parking Brake Valve... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Taylor" <mtaylo17@msn.com>
Not necessarily a better builder! Mine came in a paper bag too, and I was
surprised to find the lever swivel a full 360! To satisfy my inquisitiveness
about all things mechanical, it was either a) dismantle it like all my
childhood toys, or 2) search the web for documentation... I did find the
drawing before I mounted mine.
Anyways, if anyone decides to build the external stops like mine, be aware
that the arm does protrude slightly into the mounting face of the valve. I
seem to remember noticing this at an inopportune time while attempting to
fasten it all together!
If anyone want's a better resolution image than the one on my website, feel
free to email a request to me.
Since I can still just about see the valve, I may even be able to remove it
and take some pictures of the actual parts, and the scrap I made it from.
Mark.
RV-7 QB going really slowly...
8 weeks to finish kit arrival!
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| Subject: | Re: tech advisor (not processed: message from valid |
local sender)
--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Doug Shell-Fresno, CA
Home - (559) 435-4373
Work - (559) 438-8928 Edwin B. Sullivan-Fresno, CA
Home - (559) 229-4663
These are the two listed for Fresno
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: tech advisor (not processed: message from valid local
sender)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>
> Thanks Tom,
>
> I am in Fresno, CA. I noticed there are two chapters here in town. I will
look around for someone...
>
> - Matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
> To: <matt@n559rv.com>
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:15:59 -0700
> Subject: tech advisor
>
> > Check with your local EAA chapter.
> >
> > We have one in our chapter here in Apple Valley, CA.
> >
> > If you had put your city and state on your email, we might know where
> > to send you for help.
> >
> > Tom Gummo
> > Apple Valley, CA
> > Harmon Rocket-II
> >
> >
> > http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
How far would the folks around Tampa have had to fly and had their (very patient
and understanding) spouses drive to escape this particular hurricane? Just
wondering.
Myself, I ended up moving to California where the liberal politicians have banned
weather. No hurricanes, no tornadoes, just dismal fog when the state senate
is in session.
David Carter <dcarter@datarecall.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter"
Sure, I'm going to abandon my wife to the hurricane - NOT. My perspective
is based on being in Texas - hurricanes hit the coast - anywhere, and come
in maybe 100 or 150 miles with rain and wind. All us folks on coast have to
do is fly the plane to Austin - about 2 days before land-fall - EARLY, have
the wife drive the 4 hours (from Beaumont), we go back (4 more hours) and
pack up the car, board up the windows, and wait to see where it is really
aiming, then take off in car if necessary. As some say, "Your mileage may
vary" - your scenario may be different if in "deep south" Florida - but if
you are in Texas, La, Miss, Ala, or norther Fl, you can do something like I
plan, if you want to.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Vanartsdalen"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen
>
> Just curious, what are the families suppposed to do while mom or dad are
winging their way to safety? I was little when hurricane Camile hit. Dad
packed up the car with our camping trailer on the back. All he took were
our clothes, a bunch of canned food, and some photo albums (at my mother's
insistance.) The rest, he said was replacable, but we were not.
>
> ogoodwin@comcast.net wrote:--> RV-List message posted by:
ogoodwin@comcast.net
>
> Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
> >
> > Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the
planes
> > be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so
people in
> > Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
> > guess from the sideline.
> > Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John"
> > >
> > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > >
> > > Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurricane is
coming
> > > and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing
out of
> > > harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> > > planes....go figure !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
>
> Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the
planes
> be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so people
in
> Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
> guess from the sideline.
> Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John"
> To:
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
>
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "John"
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurric
> ane is coming
> and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
> harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
> planes....go figure !
>
> John
>
>
> SUBSCRIBE: http://www.matronics.com/subscription
>
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
>
> When a man does all he can
> though it succeeds not well,
> blame not him that did it."
> -- George Washington
>
>
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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| Subject: | Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
> Charley missed me by about
60 miles (X59 if you're interested) and I appreciate all those that
asked after my wellbeing. I'm fine, and my birds are fine .... and I
feel terribly lucky. We're a tight knit community ..... and some of our
friends are in dire need of some help. You just can't imagine the
devastation that a hurricane Andrew (cat 5 .... the max) and Charley
(cat 4) can wreak. When you see a picture in your paper .... it's just
one small sliver of what's around. How fortunate y'all are not to
witness it firsthand.
Linn
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
>
Hey Linn,
Glad to hear that all is well. I was at Valkaria (all the way from
California) for about a week in early July with a red 6a tied out on the
grass. What a nice little (if kinda slow) airport. The people we met
were friendly and helpful. The acting airport manager, Bob, let me use a
gas can to drain my oil. Most places they'd call the law on you (like
Melbourne for instance). We negotiated away the big $2 a night tiedown
for a fillup. You gotta be quick to buy gas though. The pump shut off
after about 15 seconds of inactivity. Took me 3 swipes of the credit
card to get both tanks gassed. Good to know that it wasn't all
destroyed. I wonder how they fared a little further north at Flagler
County and thereabouts. I managed to somehow kill the self serve pump
there, at least it didn't work for the folks who tried to gas up after
us on July 4.
Best wishes,
Ed Holyoke
RV-6a N97WH
RV-6 N86ED (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane and tie-down |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
This is kinda long but here it is anyway. The answer is there somewhere!!!
Scott Vanartsdalen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
>How far would the folks around Tampa have had to fly and had their (very patient
and understanding) spouses drive to escape this particular hurricane? Just
wondering.
>
Well, as it turns out, they didn't have to fly anywhere. They'd be
better off staying there. BUT, the storm was forecast to make landfall
at Tampa so I'm sure some did move their airplanes. To Lakeland,
Orlando, and Kissimmee ..... say about 50 miles or more. You can drove
that in an hour or so and a round trip is maybe 3 hours. Doable.
However, the storm turned eastward and made landfall at Punta Gorda as a
Category 4 (5 is max) and damaged all the fairly good airports! The
list includes Punta Gorda .... the whole airport is declared a total
loss ..... Bartow, Lakeland, Orlando, Kissimmee, Deland, and Daytona.
They would have to move the airplane very early as traffic leaving makes
returning home difficult. the best bet would be to secure the homestead
and head to a safe (for now) place .... meet up and find a hotel. It
would take a real patient and understanding spouse. Auto accidents are
prevalent because everyones in a panic (yep!) and haste makes waste. As
the storm gets nearer the cops close the roads so further escape (or
return) isn't possible. A lot of folks don't want to leave because
after the storm those same cops that closed the roads won't open them
because of all the (assumed) safety hazards. It's a real mess after the
storm with downed power lines .... but the power is off (or could be
removed to protect the public) anyway so what's the big deal.
Bureaucratic nightmare. I've done both .... stayed home and toughed it
out, and left for the comfort and peace of mind of my spouse. I count 7
hurricanes (3 through the eye, and one of those at sea during the Navy!)
on my list (shouldn't move around so much!!!), and I've been rather
fortunate ..... no structural damage .... just trees/branches in the
yard. Hurricanes are scary as hell with loud wind noise and blowing
rain. The eye is as peaceful as it gets, but the absence of 'critter'
noises is surreal. Of course once the eye passes it's hurricane all
over again .... only the wind direction changes. This time, being about
60 miles away, I didn't even have my lights flicker (which is a really
rare event with clear days!) so I'm doubly blessed this time. So far
all my friends that have checked in were unscathed .... their birds are
either hangared or tied down far enough from the storm. Makes me triple
blessed .... the pictures paint a far different picture. A lot of
irreplaceable airplanes were lost with this storm and I mourn them all.
the only good news is that the death toll hasn't risen as predicted.
Thank god most of the 'Snow Birds' have gone back north. They make up a
lot of the mobile home (OK, Manufactured Homes to politically correct)
tenants in Punta Gorda, and Hurricanes are like tornadoes ... they are
attracted to mobile home parks.
Sorry to ramble on!
Linn
do not archive
>
>Myself, I ended up moving to California where the liberal politicians have banned
weather. No hurricanes, no tornadoes, just dismal fog when the state senate
is in session.
>
>David Carter <dcarter@datarecall.net> wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter"
>
>Sure, I'm going to abandon my wife to the hurricane - NOT. My perspective
>is based on being in Texas - hurricanes hit the coast - anywhere, and come
>in maybe 100 or 150 miles with rain and wind. All us folks on coast have to
>do is fly the plane to Austin - about 2 days before land-fall - EARLY, have
>the wife drive the 4 hours (from Beaumont), we go back (4 more hours) and
>pack up the car, board up the windows, and wait to see where it is really
>aiming, then take off in car if necessary. As some say, "Your mileage may
>vary" - your scenario may be different if in "deep south" Florida - but if
>you are in Texas, La, Miss, Ala, or norther Fl, you can do something like I
>plan, if you want to.
>
>David
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Vanartsdalen"
>To:
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen
>>
>>Just curious, what are the families suppposed to do while mom or dad are
>>
>>
>winging their way to safety? I was little when hurricane Camile hit. Dad
>packed up the car with our camping trailer on the back. All he took were
>our clothes, a bunch of canned food, and some photo albums (at my mother's
>insistance.) The rest, he said was replacable, but we were not.
>
>
>>ogoodwin@comcast.net wrote:--> RV-List message posted by:
>>
>>
>ogoodwin@comcast.net
>
>
>>Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
>>
>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
>>>
>>>Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the
>>>
>>>
>planes
>
>
>>>be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so
>>>
>>>
>people in
>
>
>>>Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
>>>guess from the sideline.
>>>Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "John"
>>>To:
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "John"
>>>>
>>>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>>
>>>>Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurricane is
>>>>
>>>>
>coming
>
>
>>>>and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing
>>>>
>>>>
>out of
>
>
>>>>harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
>>>>planes....go figure !
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Tallahassee, Mobile, Fort Lauderdale, Pensacola.....
>>
>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>
>>-- RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn"
>>
>>Well John,you probably don't live in Fl. Where would you suggest the
>>
>>
>planes
>
>
>>be moved to? The forecast said the storm was going to hit Tampa so people
>>
>>
>in
>
>
>>Tampa were sent to Orlando and guess where the storm hit. Easy to second
>>guess from the sideline.
>>Ollie in Fl (Loves Landing Airpark, no damage)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John"
>>To:
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Hurricane and tie-down
>>
>>
>>-- RV-List message posted by: "John"
>>
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>Yeh, that's what I don't understand....pilots know a hurric
>>ane is coming
>>and they leave their airplane sitting there...why not fly the thing out of
>>harm's way? Everytime there is a Florida storm you see the mangled
>>planes....go figure !
>>
>>John
>>
>>
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>>
>>--
>>Scott VanArtsdalen
>>RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
>>
>>When a man does all he can
>>though it succeeds not well,
>>blame not him that did it."
>>-- George Washington
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Scott VanArtsdalen
>RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
>
> When a man does all he can
> though it succeeds not well,
> blame not him that did it."
> -- George Washington
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | emergency parachutes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>FWIW, somebody compared the RV-8 cockpit to the RV-4. They are
>completely different. Mostly because the RV-8 has GOBS more headroom.
>Also has the adjustable rudder pedals. The RV-4 is much tighter.
>
>Vince
The comparison was with the seat pan configuration.
do not archive
Bryan
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
List:
I am having trouble with my PS Engineering PMA 4000 audio panel in that I get no
side tone with either radio (Icom AC200 and Narco Escort II) that I have running
through it.
Intercom works fine, and I get indications on both radios (not at the same time)
that I am transmitting, as well as indication on the audio panel that either
com 1 or com 2 is transmitting.
I have also tried to increase the volume for the sidetone on the Narco Escort II,
but adjusting the pot makes no difference.
I have not mounted my antennae yet, but a temporary hookup does not produce a received
transmission on my handheld.
Also, when I have the PMA 4000 in failsafe (Off mode), I get a transmission indicator
on the radio without keying the PTT.
Could all this be the result of a relatively low voltage on the main buss? I am
getting a reading of 11.25 volts at present. I am wondering if this is some
sort of voltage saving feature of the audio panel?? My Icom handheld will still
receive on low voltage but will not transmit. Is this a similar thing for
the audio panel?
I have yet to charge up my Odyssey battery since its delivery. Worth a try before
I tear into my wiring harness??
Thanks for the help folks. Boy....do I feel helpless right now....
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
firewall forward etc
Peshtigo, WI
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| Subject: | Interesting alternative to traditional magneto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe & Jan Connell" <jconnell@rconnect.com>
Hi fellow listers,
A member in our EAA chapters suggested I take a look
at the product mentioned in this link. I would appreciate
any comments you might have. The product is in its
infancy. (I have no affiliation with the company -- just
curious about its potential...)..
http://www.emagair.com
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: No side-tone |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
You could have a problem in your wiring harness. I paid Chief Avionics to
pre-wire mine, and when the time came, I could get a side tone, but the
radio didn't transmit. There was a problem with the harness. I trouble shot
it with Chief's avionics tech and fixed it myself (lots of fun spending a
half hour on my back in the floorboard of the aircraft).
As an aside, I asked the owner of Chief Aircraft/Avionics for a credit
against future purchases (after all, I paid for a wiring harness that
worked, not one I needed to fix). He wouldn't pony up anything - not even a
$25 credit. I removed myself from their customer list after that.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: No side-tone
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
>
> List:
>
> I am having trouble with my PS Engineering PMA 4000 audio panel in that I
get no side tone with either radio (Icom AC200 and Narco Escort II) that I
have running through it.
>
> Intercom works fine, and I get indications on both radios (not at the same
time) that I am transmitting, as well as indication on the audio panel that
either com 1 or com 2 is transmitting.
>
> I have also tried to increase the volume for the sidetone on the Narco
Escort II, but adjusting the pot makes no difference.
>
> I have not mounted my antennae yet, but a temporary hookup does not
produce a received transmission on my handheld.
>
> Also, when I have the PMA 4000 in failsafe (Off mode), I get a
transmission indicator on the radio without keying the PTT.
>
> Could all this be the result of a relatively low voltage on the main buss?
I am getting a reading of 11.25 volts at present. I am wondering if this is
some sort of voltage saving feature of the audio panel?? My Icom handheld
will still receive on low voltage but will not transmit. Is this a similar
thing for the audio panel?
>
> I have yet to charge up my Odyssey battery since its delivery. Worth a
try before I tear into my wiring harness??
>
> Thanks for the help folks. Boy....do I feel helpless right now....
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff Orear
> RV6A N782P (reserved)
> firewall forward etc
> Peshtigo, WI
>
>
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| Subject: | Fly-in Polson, Mt. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mauri Morin" <maurv8@bigsky.net>
Hey Listers,
Polson, Mt. (8S1) is having a fly-in this Sat, Aug 21.
Free breakfast to pilots and crew served from 8am.
We'll be flying Young Eagles and there'll be a
porker run mid-day and steak fry in the evening.
Plenty of space for camping.
Really like to see some RVs from eastern Wash., Idaho,
and eastern Montana come over and take advantage
of the north-west Montana hospitality.
For those not familiar with our neck of the woods,
Polson is on the south end of Flathead Lake
Hope to see/meet a bunch of you on Sat.
Mauri Morin
RV8 Wings and things
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| Subject: | Re: loose wheel bearings was brake cylinder springs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Some of the posts on this subject refer to making small adjustments to
the compression on the bearing. The nut is held in by a large cotter
pin that goes thru a hole in each hex face of the big nut. Seems you
can only make adjustments in 60 degree increments, not 10 deg. as was
suggested in one post.
Is there any source of very thin "washers" to place under the nut? They
would have to be made from 0.010 or 0.020 sheet of AL or brass or
something. Or, does anyone have any sugestions for how to cut such a
spacer out of thin sheet?
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A, Landing gear
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Parking Brake Valve... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
About two years ago I received my Matco park break from Vans.
I promptly set about fitting it to my RV6-A airframe. Noticing the single
clue as to flow direction ( two arrows with the word flow on them and
further noting the lack of any diagrams or instructions I put the valve to
my lips and blew through it.
By manipulating the actuating arm I discovered that when the arm was
pointing straight down the flow rate was highest. if I moved the arm 45
degrees either forward or backward the flow was cut off. I could not
ascertain any difference in flow at the cut off points. I sized up the
firewall and decided to mount the unit dead center above the crossed
reinforcement angles and out of interference range with the rudder pedal
assembly. After making a couple of almost Rube Goldberg mounting
contraptions I settled on what I thought would work.
I was unwilling to dismantle the unit and instead let myself assume that
this unit was fairly simple internally. I spent considerable time making a
work of art out of the install and went on to other things.
I found it interesting to see all the recent postings regarding this Matco
mystery. Upon viewing the Matco diagram link that was posted I discovered
that my Matco park brake valve appeared to be in contravention of the rules
set out on that diagram.
I went down to the garage (RV lair) and pulled apart my previous handiwork
to assess the validity of my memory as to the position of the arm and its
relationship to effecting flow.
After looking at my unit I am now certain that the arm functions as I have
described earlier. (phew)
Upon studying (
http://matco.elixirlabs.com/users/matco/images/mastercylinder23a.jpg I feel
reassured that at least I got some fine engineering for the bucks I spent.
(;-)
However after looking at the internal diagram
http://matco.elixirlabs.com/users/matco/images/IM27a.jpg ) I am trying hard
to be sure if the arm is meant to swing forward or back from (in my case)
the bottom center open position. I am calling the side of the unit with the
pipe thread openings the forward side. (in this case facing the control
panel)
Did I get an oddball unit? (I haven't seen any other mention of my type of
arm positioning)
Which way to actuate the control arm?
Did I miss a part number on the unit somewhere?
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Taylor" <mtaylo17@msn.com>
Subject: RV-List: Matco Parking Brake Valve...
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Taylor" <mtaylo17@msn.com>
>
> Not necessarily a better builder! Mine came in a paper bag too, and I was
> surprised to find the lever swivel a full 360! To satisfy my
inquisitiveness
> about all things mechanical, it was either a) dismantle it like all my
> childhood toys, or 2) search the web for documentation... I did find the
> drawing before I mounted mine.
>
> Anyways, if anyone decides to build the external stops like mine, be aware
> that the arm does protrude slightly into the mounting face of the valve. I
> seem to remember noticing this at an inopportune time while attempting to
> fasten it all together!
>
> If anyone want's a better resolution image than the one on my website,
feel
> free to email a request to me.
>
> Since I can still just about see the valve, I may even be able to remove
it
> and take some pictures of the actual parts, and the scrap I made it from.
>
> Mark.
> RV-7 QB going really slowly...
> 8 weeks to finish kit arrival!
>
>
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| Subject: | loose wheel bearings was brake cylinder springs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
1 1/4" hole saw and tin snips/belt sander seem to work well for me.
Alternative is a fly-cutter, but the other way has worked well for me. The
"thin washers" are standard acceptable practice for minute adjustments.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
http://www.steinair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of thomas a.
sargent
Subject: Re: RV-List: loose wheel bearings was brake cylinder springs
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Some of the posts on this subject refer to making small adjustments to
the compression on the bearing. The nut is held in by a large cotter
pin that goes thru a hole in each hex face of the big nut. Seems you
can only make adjustments in 60 degree increments, not 10 deg. as was
suggested in one post.
Is there any source of very thin "washers" to place under the nut? They
would have to be made from 0.010 or 0.020 sheet of AL or brass or
something. Or, does anyone have any sugestions for how to cut such a
spacer out of thin sheet?
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A, Landing gear
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