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1. 03:40 AM - Re: Navaid problem (Jerry Calvert)
2. 03:40 AM - Re: Navaid problem (Jerry Calvert)
3. 04:18 AM - Navaid Servo (Dana Overall)
4. 05:36 AM - Re:2nd RV8 breakup?? (Mlfred@aol.com)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: Navaid problem (Ronnie Brown)
6. 06:43 AM - Re: RV8 one piece wings skins (Skylor Piper)
7. 06:55 AM - Re: RV8 one piece wings skins (Skylor Piper)
8. 07:16 AM - Re: RV8 one piece wings skins (Scott Bilinski)
9. 07:17 AM - Re: Compass liquid (Matthew Brandes)
10. 07:30 AM - Re: Navaid problem (Sam Buchanan)
11. 07:48 AM - Re: RV8 one piece wings skins (cgalley)
12. 08:48 AM - excess cylinder flashing (Frazier, Vincent A)
13. 09:46 AM - Re:Wheel Fairings-Balancing Act (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
14. 09:50 AM - Re: RV8 one piece wings skins (Bob 1)
15. 10:01 AM - Re: excess cylinder flashing (John Furey)
16. 10:33 AM - Re: Wheel Fairings - Balancing Act (SportAV8R@aol.com)
17. 10:44 AM - Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio? (sdellangelo@netzero.com)
18. 11:21 AM - Re: Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio? (Ross Mickey)
19. 11:22 AM - Re: Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio? (Sam Buchanan)
20. 11:24 AM - CS Propeller (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
21. 12:10 PM - flying to Wichita... (Bill VonDane)
22. 01:11 PM - UHMW temperature rating (Jeff Point)
23. 01:56 PM - Re: UHMW temperature rating (Dan Checkoway)
24. 02:09 PM - Re: UHMW temperature rating (Scott Bilinski)
25. 02:20 PM - Re: UHMW temperature rating (Stein Bruch)
26. 02:23 PM - io-360-a1b6d (Wheeler North)
27. 02:29 PM - H2AD series engines (Donald Mei)
28. 02:34 PM - Re: UHMW temperature rating (Laird Owens)
29. 02:56 PM - Re: io-360-a1b6d (Dan Checkoway)
30. 03:23 PM - Re: Wheel Fairings - Balancing Act (Tim Bryan)
31. 03:37 PM - Re: Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio? (Shemp)
32. 04:00 PM - For motivational purposes only... (Bill VonDane)
33. 04:22 PM - Re: Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio? (Sam Buchanan)
34. 05:36 PM - Unheated Pitot ()
35. 07:16 PM - Re: H2AD series engines (RV_8 Pilot)
36. 07:25 PM - Knight Aircraft Interiors/Upholstery (Sam Knight)
37. 08:08 PM - Re: UHMW temperature rating (Vanremog@aol.com)
38. 08:43 PM - Attachment showing up in RV List (or do I have a virus)???????? (James E. Clark)
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
The virtues of early technology!
Thanks Sam,
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
RV6 N296JC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Navaid problem
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> Jerry Calvert wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
> >
> > I am asking this for a friend who is having problems with his Navaid.
> > He has the Navaid coupled to a Garmin 296. When he is intercepting a
> > course, he feels a bump in the stick when he reaches the new course
> > line, but instead of turning on course, it stays on heading and
> > doesn't make the turn.
> >
> > Has anyone had this problem and resolved it?
>
>
> My Navaid *usually* worked quite well at tracking a course if the nose
> of the plane was pointed nearly at the waypoint when the autopilot was
> engaged and the trims set properly, but it never was able to
> consistently intercept a course. From my 450 hrs of experience with the
> Navaid, I found reliable course intercepts was beyond the capabilities
> of my Navaid.
>
> There is a way to absolutely fix this problem, but it involves leaving
> the Navaid at home......... :-)
>
> Sam Buchanan (RV-6, AlTrak and EZ-Pilot autopilots)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
It never intercepts the course. Just a twitch in the stick as it goes by
the course.Thanks for the input.
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
RV6 N29JC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Navaid problem
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
>
> I'm using a ControlVision to drive my Navaid. If I have the Navaid trim
knob
> set so that I'm offset from the center line of the course, at an
> intersection the Navaid will sometimes turn the wrong way to intercept the
> new leg or seem ottherwise confused but if I hold the stick for a few
> moments it will work OK. Is this your case or will it never intercept the
> new leg?
> Albert Gardner
> RV-9A 872RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Navaid problem
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
> >
> > I am asking this for a friend who is having problems with his Navaid.
He
> has the Navaid coupled to a Garmin 296. When he is intercepting a course,
> he feels a bump in the stick when he reaches the new course line, but
> instead of turning on course, it stays on heading and doesn't make the
turn.
> >
> > Has anyone had this problem and resolved it?
> >
> > Jerry Calvert
> > Edmond Ok
> > RV6 N296JC
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
While we're on the Navaid thread.................
Anybody got a Navaid servo for sale? If so, contact me off the list.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re:2nd RV8 breakup?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mlfred@aol.com
In a message dated 8/23/2004 1:59:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Time: 10:34:30 PM PST US
From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV8 one piece wings skins
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Skylor Piper wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
>
>It's been awhile since I've read the report of the
>"other" structural failure, and I must admit that I
>don't recall all the details. I'll see if I can find
>it this week.
>
>
http://www2.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031009X01690&key=1
If this is the one you are referring to I do not believe wing skins
would have made a difference, nor was it in anyway the fault
of the aircraft. If you read the entire report the wings were still
attached and both wing leading edges were crushed back.
I really hate it when misinformation gets spread around about the
airplanes we build and fly.
If you have other information I would love to see the report.
Jerry
Hi All:
This accident involved my friends Earnest & Marketta Woodard (Falcon 2). I
heard nothing of any structural problems, and I seriously doubt any were a
factor -- it was yet another case of VFR flight into IMC....ugh...
Jerry: If you're going to be the 'Misinformation Cop', you'll have a lot of
job security.
Regards
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
The Navaid Autopilot course tracking mode is a relatively simple automatic controller
having only gain control - no integral or derivative control incorporated.
It took me a while to figure this out, but here's the deal:
The error correction output of the Navaid for course deviation is proportional
to the amount of error off course. It does not have any thing to get you completely
back on course over time (integral control does this).
You have to do provide your own "integral control" with the trim knob. At first,
I thought my Navaid was not doing a very good job of tracking course. But
after using the trim knob to eliminate course deviation, I have found the Navaid
does an excellent job. It just isn't as sophisticated as newer autopilots.
But it does do a good job if you understand how to use it.
The Navaid manual also states that it is not designed to intercept a course, you
have to point your plane in the desired heading before engaging the course tracking
mode.
Try using the trim knob (left knob) more, you'll be a lot happier with your Navaid.
Oh and by the way, the accuracy of GPS makes the Navaid appear less capable - if
you were only tracking VOR's and didn't see the course error with such great
accuracy (1 degree), you'd not notice the problem so much.
Ronnie Brown
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 one piece wings skins |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
No, this was not the accident that I was referring.
In fact, the texas crash involved a plane that both of
my parents had flown in, but that was before it was
sold to the owners involved in the accident.
--- Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
> <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> Skylor Piper wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper
> <skylor4@yahoo.com>
> >
> >It's been awhile since I've read the report of the
> >"other" structural failure, and I must admit that I
> >don't recall all the details. I'll see if I can
> find
> >it this week.
> >
> >
>
http://www2.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031009X01690&key=1
>
>
> If this is the one you are referring to I do not
> believe wing skins
> would have made a difference, nor was it in anyway
> the fault
> of the aircraft. If you read the entire report the
> wings were still
> attached and both wing leading edges were crushed
> back.
> I really hate it when misinformation gets spread
> around about the
> airplanes we build and fly.
>
> If you have other information I would love to see
> the report.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 one piece wings skins |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
OK, this will teach me to "keep my mouth shut" until I
have all my facts together. The accident that I was
referring to was an RV-3, and the wing separated at
the fuselage. Oh well...
--- Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper
> <skylor4@yahoo.com>
>
> It's been awhile since I've read the report of the
> "other" structural failure, and I must admit that I
> don't recall all the details. I'll see if I can
> find
> it this week.
>
> I do recall that it was an RV-8 in California on its
> way to a fly in several years ago. I believe it was
> VFR into IMC by a non IFR pilot, and a witness saw
> it
> come spinning out of the clouds without part of a
> wing. Like N58RV, the wing failed around the
> inboard
> end of the aileron (I recall).
>
> I agree with Kevin's point of view that you can't
> arbitrarily install a heavier one piece skin and
> expect that will strengthen the wing under all
> conditions. Lighter planes are definitely better.
>
> My only point was that there "may" be some benefit
> of
> the heavier one piece skin, at list in the two
> instances where the wing failed mid span.
> Ultimately,
> the answer to the that question lies with a
> knowledgeable structural engineer or the aircraft
> designer.
>
> Skylor
>
> --- Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
> > <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Skylor Piper wrote:
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper
> > <skylor4@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Sure, the outboard wing would be a bit stronger,
> > but
> > >>the inboard wing
> > >>would be the same as before. The extra strength
> > in
> > >>the outboard wing
> > >>is irrelevant...snip...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> > >>Ottawa, Canada
> > >>http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Are you sure about that? The two RV-8's that had
> > >in-flight structural failures (that I know about)
> > had
> > >the wings fail right at the inboard edge of the
> > aileron.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Skylor what were the deaails of the second in
> flight
> > failure?
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/chat
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 one piece wings skins |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Can you be more specific? A accident like you mentioned would have been all
over the E-mail lists.
At 06:42 AM 8/23/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
>
>No, this was not the accident that I was referring.
>In fact, the texas crash involved a plane that both of
>my parents had flown in, but that was before it was
>sold to the owners involved in the accident.
>--- Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
> > <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Skylor Piper wrote:
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper
> > <skylor4@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >It's been awhile since I've read the report of the
> > >"other" structural failure, and I must admit that I
> > >don't recall all the details. I'll see if I can
> > find
> > >it this week.
> > >
> > >
> >
>http://www2.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031009X01690&key=1
> >
> >
> > If this is the one you are referring to I do not
> > believe wing skins
> > would have made a difference, nor was it in anyway
> > the fault
> > of the aircraft. If you read the entire report the
> > wings were still
> > attached and both wing leading edges were crushed
> > back.
> > I really hate it when misinformation gets spread
> > around about the
> > airplanes we build and fly.
> >
> > If you have other information I would love to see
> > the report.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/chat
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | RE: Compass liquid |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" <matthew@n523rv.com>
Thanks for all the responses. I'm kind of surprised at the number of
responses and options. I found some compass fluid at ACS but if Chuck can
find his overhaul kits, I'll take his offer.
Thanks!
Matthew Brandes,
Van's RV-9A (Fuselage)
EAA Chapter 868/91/1329
www.n523rv.com <http://www.n523rv.com/>
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Ronnie Brown wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
<snip>
>
> The Navaid manual also states that it is not designed to intercept a
> course, you have to point your plane in the desired heading before
> engaging the course tracking mode.
>
> Try using the trim knob (left knob) more, you'll be a lot happier
> with your Navaid.
<snip>
The advice to use the Navaid trim knob properly is indeed crucial to
getting the Navaid to track accurately. A feature that I found few
Navaid users that I've talked with using is the ability of the unit to
track an offset course. Usually you must have the trim set just right to
get the Navaid to hold a tight course, but it the trim is intentionally
cranked to one side after the Navaid is tracking properly, it will track
a parallel course offset up to a mile or so.
This is helpful if you are approaching a area you wish to avoid flying
over (power plant, tower, C172, etc) but don't want to disengage the
Navaid and have to set it up again. Just rack the trim full over and the
unit will wander off in that direction and eventually return to the
original heading while flying a parallel course to the original
courseline. After passing the 172, recenter the trim and the Navaid will
return, more or less, to the original course.
The Navaid generally works quite well for simply tracking a course, but
it's kinda like the old analog TV set; you must tweak the tuning knob
just right and some chewing gum foil on the rabbit ears sometimes helps
as well. :-)
The feature set and performance of the digital autopilots is far beyond
what the venerable Navaid is capable of providing. Technology marches on!
Sam Buchanan
http://thervjournal.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 one piece wings skins |
--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Van has already modified the RV-3 spar to prevent such happenings.
Cy Galley
Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Skylor Piper" <skylor4@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV8 one piece wings skins
> --> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
>
> OK, this will teach me to "keep my mouth shut" until I
> have all my facts together. The accident that I was
> referring to was an RV-3, and the wing separated at
> the fuselage. Oh well...
> --- Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper
> > <skylor4@yahoo.com>
> >
> > It's been awhile since I've read the report of the
> > "other" structural failure, and I must admit that I
> > don't recall all the details. I'll see if I can
> > find
> > it this week.
> >
> > I do recall that it was an RV-8 in California on its
> > way to a fly in several years ago. I believe it was
> > VFR into IMC by a non IFR pilot, and a witness saw
> > it
> > come spinning out of the clouds without part of a
> > wing. Like N58RV, the wing failed around the
> > inboard
> > end of the aileron (I recall).
> >
> > I agree with Kevin's point of view that you can't
> > arbitrarily install a heavier one piece skin and
> > expect that will strengthen the wing under all
> > conditions. Lighter planes are definitely better.
> >
> > My only point was that there "may" be some benefit
> > of
> > the heavier one piece skin, at list in the two
> > instances where the wing failed mid span.
> > Ultimately,
> > the answer to the that question lies with a
> > knowledgeable structural engineer or the aircraft
> > designer.
> >
> > Skylor
> >
> > --- Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
> > > <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Skylor Piper wrote:
> > >
> > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper
> > > <skylor4@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Sure, the outboard wing would be a bit stronger,
> > > but
> > > >>the inboard wing
> > > >>would be the same as before. The extra strength
> > > in
> > > >>the outboard wing
> > > >>is irrelevant...snip...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> > > >>Ottawa, Canada
> > > >>http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Are you sure about that? The two RV-8's that had
> > > >in-flight structural failures (that I know about)
> > > had
> > > >the wings fail right at the inboard edge of the
> > > aileron.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Skylor what were the deaails of the second in
> > flight
> > > failure?
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Contributions
> > > any other
> > > Forums.
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/chat
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
> > > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________
> >
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> >
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| Subject: | excess cylinder flashing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Guys,
Online chatter has accused excess cylinder flashing of causing high
CHT's. Some have said that they used several hours and several drill
bits to clean it out. Here's how I did it. Takes about an hour to do.
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Engine%20and%20Prop.htm
I can't say if it helps cooling, but it certainly looks like it would.
Vince Frazier
3965 Caborn Road
Mount Vernon, IN 47620
812-464-1839 work
812-985-7309 home
F-1H Rocket, N540VF
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
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| Subject: | Re:Wheel Fairings-Balancing Act |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
When I did the main gear fairings on our RV-4 I used wing jacks to lift the
plane. My jacks lift via 3/8" bolts, screwed into the wing tie-down fittings
,and they sit in a pipe socket welded atop the jack. ( NO slipping here) I
placed the tailwheel on a table, with appropiate blocking, to level the plane.
I
had to put weight on the horizontal stabilizer to keep the tail down. Place
the weight close to the verticle fin.
With the plane supported off the floor and level I had the proper flight
attitude for aligning the fairings.
I can email pic's of my jacks if that would help.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 one piece wings skins |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a@comcast.net>
> OK, this will teach me to "keep my mouth shut" until I
> have all my facts together. The accident that I was
> referring to was an RV-3, and the wing separated at
> the fuselage. Oh well...
===================================
Although wing separation stories are especailly horrific,
it was a relief to see the heat going somewhere besides
the RV3. ..... or so I wuz a thinkin'.
Oh well....
Bob - owner/defender of the original RV3 design
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| Subject: | excess cylinder flashing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
I agree with all that is said. I used a dremmel with a file in the
chuck-same rules apply. No scientific data but I think I could back up a 20
degree drop on the worst ones.
John Furey
RV6A O-320
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Fairings - Balancing Act |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
I jacked my 6A up on homemade jack stands to unload the mains for this elaborate
operation (setting the wheel pant and leg fairing angles of incidence). I got
through it okay, but I've always wondered if there wasn't a better than textbook
setting for these things, one that takes into account real-world factors
like propeller slipstream corkscrew effect, and so on. I wonder if there wouldn't
be some merit in rigging a setup whereby the incidence angle of the leg
fairings could be adjusted in-flight by a bowden cable, and yarn tufts on the
fairings monitored by a lipstick video camera until the true neutral incidence
setting at cruise power was obtained. Same could be done for the pants, at least
in pitch. Then the data could be shared with the rest of us who are too
lazy or insufficiently anal to go through the above excercise. What's to be gained;
perhaps a few knots?? I've been roling this ove r in my mind lately as
I drift off to sleep; perhaps I need medication for this problem ;-)
-Bill B
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| Subject: | Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "sdellangelo@netzero.com" <sdellangelo@netzero.com>
I am looking to install either the pictoral pilot (the 3 1/8" one with the ball
incorporated into it, which they claimed at Oshkosh would be out soon for "another
$50") or the EZ pilot II. Can anybody who has experience with both give
me any pros or cons one way or the other between them. I know the EZ pilot is
~$300 cheaper. Both look to come with installation hardware (the tru trak stuff
"looks" nicer and the setup would be at the wing bellcrank, and the EZ pilot
would attach to the control tube probably under the seats?). I definitely
want the turn coordinator function to backup the Dynon, but they both do that
and both have (will have) a ball.
How about the performance difference or anything else?
Thanks,
Scott DellAngelo
#90598 fuselage
Plainfield, IL
Only $14.95/ month -visit www.netzero.com to sign up today!
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| Subject: | Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RV-List: Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio?
Both look to come with installation hardware (the tru trak stuff "looks"
nicer and the setup would be at the wing bellcrank, and the EZ pilot
would attach to the control tube probably under the seats?).
Scott DellAngelo
Scott,
TruTrak now has an under the seat installation. Call them for details.
Ross Mickey
N9PT
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
sdellangelo@netzero.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "sdellangelo@netzero.com"
> <sdellangelo@netzero.com>
>
>
> I am looking to install either the pictoral pilot (the 3 1/8" one
> with the ball incorporated into it, which they claimed at Oshkosh
> would be out soon for "another $50") or the EZ pilot II. Can anybody
> who has experience with both give me any pros or cons one way or the
> other between them. I know the EZ pilot is ~$300 cheaper. Both look
> to come with installation hardware (the tru trak stuff "looks" nicer
> and the setup would be at the wing bellcrank, and the EZ pilot would
> attach to the control tube probably under the seats?). I definitely
> want the turn coordinator function to backup the Dynon, but they both
> do that and both have (will have) a ball.
>
> How about the performance difference or anything else?
>
> Thanks, Scott DellAngelo #90598 fuselage Plainfield, IL
Even though I can't address the request for a comparison between the
pictorial pilot and the EZ-Pilot since I have never flown the TruTrak
unit, there are a couple of other issues raised in the above post that
are worthy of comment.
The EZ-Pilot servo can be mounted in a variety of locations since it is
a Navaid servo that has faithfully served the experimental market many
years in a wide range of installations. The servo can be located under
seat pans, at mid-wing, or at the wing tip. Fabricating mounting
hardware and actuating stuff for servo installations is fairly simple
and limited only by the builder's imagination. The TruTrak servo is a
step-motor which is considerably heavier than the EZ-Pilot unit but it
likewise is suitable for various locations in the plane, even though I
would be reluctant to mount it at the wing tip due to the weight of the
servo.
No doubt what I am now about to state will be subject to disagreement by
many pilots, but in my opinion the presence or lack of a turn
coordinator display (analog or digital) in a panel with an autopilot is
vastly overblown. I can assure you that if the Dynon were to go belly-up
in my RV-6 while I was flying on instruments, whether or not I have a
T/C in the panel will be the last of my concerns. Before you can say
"Vertigo" I will have the autopilot flying the plane (if it isn't
already) and will let the EZ-Pilot direct the plane to any vectors I
input. There is NO WAY I am going to rely on flying partial panel via a
T/C when there is a functioning autopilot on board!!!!
I frequently conduct practice flights using just the AnywhereMap, the
AlTrak, and the EZ-Pilot for all maneuvers except takeoffs and very
short final. It is easy to conduct 500 fpm climbs and descents while the
EZ-Pilot holds heading, and the AlTrak will hold altitude while the
EZ-Pilot changes headings. I can even shoot a "virtual" ILS approach
into ANY paved runway using the AnyWhereMap system (keeping in mind
possible obstructions near the airport) and letting the autopilot slide
the plane down final. This is not condoned by any experimental
single-axis autopilot manufacturer, but I practice it so I can receive
full benefit of ALL the equipment in the panel should things get ugly.
During all the above, the turn coordinator is a non-issue. So if having
a T/C display is still important to you, so be it. But if there is an
operable autopilot in the panel, I just can't see where the presence of
a T/C display is a factor. Remember, if you have staked your flight on
an autopilot based T/C, it will be dead if the autopilot is off-line.
But if the electrical system is well-designed, it is unlikely both the
EFIS and autopilot will expire simultaneously.
Sam Buchanan
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--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
The first propellers ordered from MT Propellers are just now starting to be
delivered.
I can still accept addition propeller orders for an MT Propeller at the
special price.
MT Propeller manufactures a very nice electric CS propeller for the solid
crankshaft Lycoming. There are electric CS propellers designed for the
Lycoming 320, 360 and 540 engine.
MT Propeller custom designs their propeller for the engine/airframe and
expected performance. They have electric CS propellers available to match the
alternative engines which have the standard SAE (and some other) propeller
flanges.
Of course, hydraulic CS propellers are also available.
2 blade CS propellers.
3 blade CS propellers.
(2nd order harmonic removed. Much smoother running than 2 blade.)
4 blade CS propeller.
(John Harmon said that the four blade MT Propeller he tried was the
smoothest running propeller he has ever flown. And he had previously flown the
3
blade MT Propeller.)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
_jim@lessdrag.com_ (mailto:jim@lessdrag.com)
RV-3 LOM M332A engine 3 blade electric CS MT propeller
Less Drag Products, Inc.
_www.lessdrag.com_ (http://www.lessdrag.com)
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| Subject: | flying to Wichita... |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I'm thinking of flying to Wichita this weekend to see a friend (weather
permitting) and am looking for a place to keep my -8A Saturday night...
Anyone based out of AAO? ...or anyplace else near by?
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A - Colorado Springs
EAA Tech Counselor
www.vondane.com
www.rv8a.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | UHMW temperature rating |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Howdy,
Does anyone know what the temperature rating for UHMW tape (the kind
used for flaps) is? I'd like to use some on the cowl, where it is
rubbing on the camlocks, but I don't know if it'll take the heat.
Thanks
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
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| Subject: | Re: UHMW temperature rating |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I wouldn't hesitate at least to test it at first on an inconspicuous spot.
According to McMaster's web site, the UHMW polyethylene tape they sell (go
to http://www.mcmaster.com and enter "76445A761" in the Find box) is
rated -40F to +220F. I don't know if this is comparable to the stuff Van's
sells.
One of these days I want to temp probe my cowl after shutdown on a hot day
in the sun and see how high those under-cowl temps get.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Subject: RV-List: UHMW temperature rating
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> Howdy,
>
> Does anyone know what the temperature rating for UHMW tape (the kind
> used for flaps) is? I'd like to use some on the cowl, where it is
> rubbing on the camlocks, but I don't know if it'll take the heat.
>
> Thanks
> Jeff Point
> RV-6
> Milwaukee WI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: UHMW temperature rating |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Mine is holding up just fine, exactly where you want to use it, 190 Hrs,
going strong.
At 03:09 PM 8/23/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
>Howdy,
>
>Does anyone know what the temperature rating for UHMW tape (the kind
>used for flaps) is? I'd like to use some on the cowl, where it is
>rubbing on the camlocks, but I don't know if it'll take the heat.
>
>Thanks
>Jeff Point
>RV-6
>Milwaukee WI
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | UHMW temperature rating |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi Jeff,
I believe the UHMW tape that I sell has a temp range of: -40oF to 225oF.
My tape sheets say that should be accurate for most UHWM tape, but I can't
say for sure. I think Van's sells the same stuff I do. I have UHMW tape
all over the place (it's the best thing since sliced cheese) to keep
anything that "rubs" from making a mark. I also have some on my cowl along
the camlock strips, as well as the intersection fairings, canopy slider
tracks, flaps, etc..
Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
http://www.steinair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Point
Subject: RV-List: UHMW temperature rating
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Howdy,
Does anyone know what the temperature rating for UHMW tape (the kind
used for flaps) is? I'd like to use some on the cowl, where it is
rubbing on the camlocks, but I don't know if it'll take the heat.
Thanks
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
io-360-a1b6d
Not sure, but this is the one excluded, and the last 6 refers to a 6th order
counterweight and the D refers to a dual magneto. I expect the counter
weight was found to be needed with the dual mag to prevent some harmonic
problem, to which changing the timing negatively impacted the fix.
But that is a guess on my part as I wasn't there when they designed this
one.
W
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| Subject: | H2AD series engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Steve,
Your thought:
**Why anybody would build a $60,000 airplane and finish it off with a $4000
engine is beyond my reasoning. **
Is a little ignorant of the financial realities for some builders. There
are RV builders whose total aircraft budget is roughly equivalent to the
total cost of an AEIO-360 .
There's fewer of these kinds of builders than there used to be, but they are
out there. (I would even venture that if Van himself were a builder, that
is the way he'd think - light, cheap and simple) In fact, one of the
attractions of the RV series, historically has been that you could build a
nice simple VFR airplane for $35K that handled great and cruised at 150 kts.
The problems with the O320-H2AD are well documented, as are the fixes to
those problems. Espescially with the choices we have in the Experimental
class, this may be a good base for someone who is handy and on a budget.
Don
"All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create
the states; the states created the federal government!"---Ronald Reagan
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| Subject: | Re: UHMW temperature rating |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
The UHMW is good for most applications under the cowl, but it's the
adhesive that gives up first.
I put some on the baffles where they rub on the cylinder. After I
pulled the engine some repairs, the UHMW was still on the baffles
(worse for the wear) but the adhesive was a mess to clean off.
I wouldn't hesitate to use it as a rub strip anywhere on the cowl.
Laird RV-6 950hrs
SoCal
On Aug 23, 2004, at 1:55 PM, Dan Checkoway wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> I wouldn't hesitate at least to test it at first on an inconspicuous
> spot.
> According to McMaster's web site, the UHMW polyethylene tape they sell
> (go
> to http://www.mcmaster.com and enter "76445A761" in the Find box) is
> rated -40F to +220F. I don't know if this is comparable to the stuff
> Van's
> sells.
>
> One of these days I want to temp probe my cowl after shutdown on a hot
> day
> in the sun and see how high those under-cowl temps get.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
> To: "RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>; <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: UHMW temperature rating
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Does anyone know what the temperature rating for UHMW tape (the kind
>> used for flaps) is? I'd like to use some on the cowl, where it is
>> rubbing on the camlocks, but I don't know if it'll take the heat.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jeff Point
>> RV-6
>> Milwaukee WI
>>
>>
>
>
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: io-360-a1b6d |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> io-360-a1b6d
>
> Not sure, but this is the one excluded, and the last 6 refers to a 6th
order
> counterweight and the D refers to a dual magneto. I expect the counter
> weight was found to be needed with the dual mag to prevent some harmonic
> problem, to which changing the timing negatively impacted the fix.
Not quite...the "D" only means dual mag and is irrespective of
counterweights. Likewise the "6" is independent of mag style, and just
means the crankshaft is "equipped with one 6.3 order and one 8th order
counterweights." (I'm quoting the TCDS)
You can find the dual mag on some "D" model engines that don't have the "6"
counterweights, i.e. the -E1AD or -E1BD.
What the "6" model counterweights achieve is *no RPM operating limitations*
on a typical Hartzell prop. Take a look at the Hartzell TCDS and you'll see
that a Hartzell C2YK or C2YR with the "7666" series blade has the following
placards required:
IO-360-A1A or -A1B: "Avoid continuous operation between 2000 and 2250 RPM"
IO-360-A1B6 or -A1B6D: "none"
The counterweights have more to do with propeller dynamics than anything
else, to the best of my knowledge.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Fairings - Balancing Act |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
Thanks to all for the answers. I will build a platform and then pick it up
with straps on the engine mount to slide the platform under. This way it
won't just hang there.
Tim Bryan
RV-6 N616TB
-------Original Message-------
From: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wheel Fairings - Balancing Act
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
I jacked my 6A up on homemade jack stands to unload the mains for this
elaborate operation (setting the wheel pant and leg fairing angles of
incidence). I got through it okay, but I've always wondered if there wasn't
a better than textbook setting for these things, one that takes into account
real-world factors like propeller slipstream corkscrew effect, and so on. I
wonder if there wouldn't be some merit in rigging a setup whereby the
incidence angle of the leg fairings could be adjusted in-flight by a bowden
cable, and yarn tufts on the fairings monitored by a lipstick video camera
until the true neutral incidence setting at cruise power was obtained. Same
could be done for the pants, at least in pitch. Then the data could be
shared with the rest of us who are too lazy or insufficiently anal to go
through the above excercise. What's to be gained; perhaps a few knots?? I
ve been roling this ove r in my mind lately as I drift off to sleep; perhaps
I need medication for!
this problem ;-)
-Bill B
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
What about FAR's? What qualifies for your turn and bank?
Shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> sdellangelo@netzero.com wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "sdellangelo@netzero.com"
> > <sdellangelo@netzero.com>
> >
> >
> > I am looking to install either the pictoral pilot (the 3 1/8" one
> > with the ball incorporated into it, which they claimed at Oshkosh
> > would be out soon for "another $50") or the EZ pilot II. Can anybody
> > who has experience with both give me any pros or cons one way or the
> > other between them. I know the EZ pilot is ~$300 cheaper. Both look
> > to come with installation hardware (the tru trak stuff "looks" nicer
> > and the setup would be at the wing bellcrank, and the EZ pilot would
> > attach to the control tube probably under the seats?). I definitely
> > want the turn coordinator function to backup the Dynon, but they both
> > do that and both have (will have) a ball.
> >
> > How about the performance difference or anything else?
> >
> > Thanks, Scott DellAngelo #90598 fuselage Plainfield, IL
>
>
> Even though I can't address the request for a comparison between the
> pictorial pilot and the EZ-Pilot since I have never flown the TruTrak
> unit, there are a couple of other issues raised in the above post that
> are worthy of comment.
>
> The EZ-Pilot servo can be mounted in a variety of locations since it is
> a Navaid servo that has faithfully served the experimental market many
> years in a wide range of installations. The servo can be located under
> seat pans, at mid-wing, or at the wing tip. Fabricating mounting
> hardware and actuating stuff for servo installations is fairly simple
> and limited only by the builder's imagination. The TruTrak servo is a
> step-motor which is considerably heavier than the EZ-Pilot unit but it
> likewise is suitable for various locations in the plane, even though I
> would be reluctant to mount it at the wing tip due to the weight of the
> servo.
>
> No doubt what I am now about to state will be subject to disagreement by
> many pilots, but in my opinion the presence or lack of a turn
> coordinator display (analog or digital) in a panel with an autopilot is
> vastly overblown. I can assure you that if the Dynon were to go belly-up
> in my RV-6 while I was flying on instruments, whether or not I have a
> T/C in the panel will be the last of my concerns. Before you can say
> "Vertigo" I will have the autopilot flying the plane (if it isn't
> already) and will let the EZ-Pilot direct the plane to any vectors I
> input. There is NO WAY I am going to rely on flying partial panel via a
> T/C when there is a functioning autopilot on board!!!!
>
> I frequently conduct practice flights using just the AnywhereMap, the
> AlTrak, and the EZ-Pilot for all maneuvers except takeoffs and very
> short final. It is easy to conduct 500 fpm climbs and descents while the
> EZ-Pilot holds heading, and the AlTrak will hold altitude while the
> EZ-Pilot changes headings. I can even shoot a "virtual" ILS approach
> into ANY paved runway using the AnyWhereMap system (keeping in mind
> possible obstructions near the airport) and letting the autopilot slide
> the plane down final. This is not condoned by any experimental
> single-axis autopilot manufacturer, but I practice it so I can receive
> full benefit of ALL the equipment in the panel should things get ugly.
>
> During all the above, the turn coordinator is a non-issue. So if having
> a T/C display is still important to you, so be it. But if there is an
> operable autopilot in the panel, I just can't see where the presence of
> a T/C display is a factor. Remember, if you have staked your flight on
> an autopilot based T/C, it will be dead if the autopilot is off-line.
> But if the electrical system is well-designed, it is unlikely both the
> EFIS and autopilot will expire simultaneously.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
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| Subject: | For motivational purposes only... |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
KEEP POUNDING THOSE RIVETS!!!
http://rv8a.com/flying/roll1.jpg
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A - Colorado Springs
EAA Tech Counselor
www.vondane.com
www.rv8a.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Shemp wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
> What about FAR's? What qualifies for your turn and bank?
>
> Shemp
The Navaid, DigiTrak and EZ-Pilot all have turn coordinator displays.
My point was that if forced into a partial panel situation, I would let
the autopilot keep the shiny side up instead of hand flying with a turn
coordinator.
Sam Buchanan
===============================
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Anybody with experience with both Trutrak and Trio?
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>>
>>sdellangelo@netzero.com wrote:
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "sdellangelo@netzero.com"
>>><sdellangelo@netzero.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>I am looking to install either the pictoral pilot (the 3 1/8" one
>>>with the ball incorporated into it, which they claimed at Oshkosh
>>>would be out soon for "another $50") or the EZ pilot II. Can anybody
>>>who has experience with both give me any pros or cons one way or the
>>>other between them. I know the EZ pilot is ~$300 cheaper. Both look
>>>to come with installation hardware (the tru trak stuff "looks" nicer
>>>and the setup would be at the wing bellcrank, and the EZ pilot would
>>>attach to the control tube probably under the seats?). I definitely
>>>want the turn coordinator function to backup the Dynon, but they both
>>>do that and both have (will have) a ball.
>>>
>>>How about the performance difference or anything else?
>>>
>>>Thanks, Scott DellAngelo #90598 fuselage Plainfield, IL
>>
>>
>>Even though I can't address the request for a comparison between the
>>pictorial pilot and the EZ-Pilot since I have never flown the TruTrak
>>unit, there are a couple of other issues raised in the above post that
>>are worthy of comment.
>>
>>The EZ-Pilot servo can be mounted in a variety of locations since it is
>>a Navaid servo that has faithfully served the experimental market many
>>years in a wide range of installations. The servo can be located under
>>seat pans, at mid-wing, or at the wing tip. Fabricating mounting
>>hardware and actuating stuff for servo installations is fairly simple
>>and limited only by the builder's imagination. The TruTrak servo is a
>>step-motor which is considerably heavier than the EZ-Pilot unit but it
>>likewise is suitable for various locations in the plane, even though I
>>would be reluctant to mount it at the wing tip due to the weight of the
>>servo.
>>
>>No doubt what I am now about to state will be subject to disagreement by
>>many pilots, but in my opinion the presence or lack of a turn
>>coordinator display (analog or digital) in a panel with an autopilot is
>>vastly overblown. I can assure you that if the Dynon were to go belly-up
>>in my RV-6 while I was flying on instruments, whether or not I have a
>>T/C in the panel will be the last of my concerns. Before you can say
>>"Vertigo" I will have the autopilot flying the plane (if it isn't
>>already) and will let the EZ-Pilot direct the plane to any vectors I
>>input. There is NO WAY I am going to rely on flying partial panel via a
>>T/C when there is a functioning autopilot on board!!!!
>>
>>I frequently conduct practice flights using just the AnywhereMap, the
>>AlTrak, and the EZ-Pilot for all maneuvers except takeoffs and very
>>short final. It is easy to conduct 500 fpm climbs and descents while the
>>EZ-Pilot holds heading, and the AlTrak will hold altitude while the
>>EZ-Pilot changes headings. I can even shoot a "virtual" ILS approach
>>into ANY paved runway using the AnyWhereMap system (keeping in mind
>>possible obstructions near the airport) and letting the autopilot slide
>>the plane down final. This is not condoned by any experimental
>>single-axis autopilot manufacturer, but I practice it so I can receive
>>full benefit of ALL the equipment in the panel should things get ugly.
>>
>>During all the above, the turn coordinator is a non-issue. So if having
>>a T/C display is still important to you, so be it. But if there is an
>>operable autopilot in the panel, I just can't see where the presence of
>>a T/C display is a factor. Remember, if you have staked your flight on
>>an autopilot based T/C, it will be dead if the autopilot is off-line.
>>But if the electrical system is well-designed, it is unlikely both the
>>EFIS and autopilot will expire simultaneously.
>>
>>Sam Buchanan
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--> RV-List message posted by: <groves@epix.net>
Hello everyine!!
I was wondering can you get gretz pitot tubes unheated?
Thanks,
Kirk RV-8 Wings
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| Subject: | H2AD series engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Man am I embarrased - I only paid $3000 for my engine!
Instead of just winning 3rd in the Sun100 (2003, 160-hp RV, 176-kts) I could
have dropped another $20-30g's and won 2nd, or maybe 1st in my class!! ;)
;)
do not archive
Bryan Jones -8, 653 hrs
www.LoneStarSquadron.com
Houston, Texas
>**Why anybody would build a $60,000 airplane and finish it off with a $4000
>engine is beyond my reasoning. **
>
>Is a little ignorant of the financial realities for some builders. There
>are RV builders whose total aircraft budget is roughly equivalent to the
>total cost of an AEIO-360 .
>
>There's fewer of these kinds of builders than there used to be, but they
>are
>out there. (I would even venture that if Van himself were a builder, that
>is the way he'd think - light, cheap and simple) In fact, one of the
>attractions of the RV series, historically has been that you could build a
>nice simple VFR airplane for $35K that handled great and cruised at 150
>kts.
>
>The problems with the O320-H2AD are well documented, as are the fixes to
>those problems. Espescially with the choices we have in the Experimental
>class, this may be a good base for someone who is handy and on a budget.
>
>Don
>
>
>"All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create
>the states; the states created the federal government!"---Ronald Reagan
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| Subject: | Knight Aircraft Interiors/Upholstery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Knight <knightair@lv.rmci.net>
RV Builders:
I have been in the upholstery business for 30 years and have been making
upholstery products for kitplanes for 18 years. I have interior kits
available for RV-4, RV-6, RV-6A, and RV-8. I also have cabin covers and
other items. I am the supplier of upholstery products for several kitplane
manufacturers. A list of other kitplane interior products available upon
request.
For more information, call Knight Aircraft Interiors, Inc., at (702)
207-6681 or e mail me at knightair@lv.rmci.net. If you e-mail for
information, please mention either "Knight" or "Upholstery" in your
reference line so I can give your request my immediate attention. Photos
available upon request.
Sincerely,
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
"Fly by Knight" Upholstery Products
Sam Knight
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| Subject: | Re: UHMW temperature rating |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 8/23/2004 1:12:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jpoint@mindspring.com writes:
Does anyone know what the temperature rating for UHMW tape (the kind
used for flaps) is? I'd like to use some on the cowl, where it is
rubbing on the camlocks, but I don't know if it'll take the heat.
========================================
We have found that the loop (soft) side of self-stick Velcro is really good
as an anti-chafe strip. It was the only material that would hold up to the
constant vibration and didn't come unstuck, even in high temp areas.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 710 hrs)
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| Subject: | Attachment showing up in RV List (or do I have a virus)???????? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Anyone else out there getting mail from the RV-List with an "attachment"?
Hope I don't have a virus or something. (Should be protected by virus
protection s/w)
James
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