Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:09 AM - RV-7A Tipup Install suggestion (Sebastian Trost)
2. 06:29 AM - Re: GA Scare Piece (Ronnie Brown)
3. 06:34 AM - Nationair insurance news (Ken Balch)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: First Flight (Charles Rowbotham)
5. 07:14 AM - Re: Nationair insurance news (James E. Clark)
6. 07:28 AM - Re: Nationair insurance news (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
7. 08:16 AM - Re: GA Scare Piece (Hal / Carol Kempthorne)
8. 08:18 AM - Re: Nationair insurance news (Rick Galati)
9. 08:24 AM - Re: Looking for an RV'er with mode s (Darwin Barrie)
10. 08:35 AM - Mode S response (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
11. 08:45 AM - Re: GA Scare Piece (Vanremog@aol.com)
12. 08:47 AM - Boston Globe Article (Ken Brooks)
13. 08:50 AM - Re: First Flight (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
14. 09:10 AM - Re: GA Scare Piece (Richard Bibb)
15. 09:10 AM - Re: A peek into the future?? (Shemp)
16. 09:58 AM - Re: GA Scare Piece (RV8ter@aol.com)
17. 10:53 AM - Re: GA Scare Piece (RV8ter@aol.com)
18. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Nationair insurance news ()
19. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Nationair insurance news (Bruce Gray)
20. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Nationair insurance news (Richard Bibb)
21. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Nationair insurance news (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
22. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Nationair insurance news (Scott Bilinski)
23. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: Nationair insurance news (Cory Emberson)
24. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: Nationair insurance news (Rob Prior)
25. 12:28 PM - Re: Re: Nationair insurance news ()
26. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Nationair insurance news (Tommy Walker)
27. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Nationair insurance news (Scott.Fink@microchip.com)
28. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: Nationair insurance news (Richard Bibb)
29. 02:28 PM - Re: A peek into the future?? (Gordon and Marge)
30. 02:46 PM - Super 8 (Larry James)
31. 03:48 PM - Re: First Flight (Gary Cole)
32. 03:59 PM - new books and cheap old ones (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
33. 07:34 PM - Navaid Autopilot (S Hamer)
34. 09:13 PM - Re: Re: Nationair insurance news (HCRV6@aol.com)
35. 11:00 PM - Re: Nationair insurance news (Bob 1)
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| Subject: | RV-7A Tipup Install suggestion |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sebastian Trost <sebastian.trost@sbcglobal.net>
Been a lurker and massive user of Dan Checkoway and Walter Tondu's web sites
and this forum to speed my progress, but I think I have a good suggestion
for aligning the tipup canopy frame I haven't read before.
I used Dan's notes on interference to trim the alum spacers to allow the
frame to move forward. I had a really hard time getting the skin to sit flat
and flush to the subpanel flange. I couldn't get the duct tape to hold well
enough to keep the skin in place. I decided to use tape for the top center
portion of the skin. Then I put a ratcheting tiedown strap around the
entire fuselage along the forward part of the canopy frame skin. After
snugging it down, I was able to make some final adjustments to the skin to
get it evenly aligned relative to the forward top skin. The strap kept the
skin flush to the flanges and also kept the alignment in place. I was able
to drill the splice plate and hinge flange with no problem with this setup.
I hope this idea helps someone else. I have certainly saved a lot of time
with the Matronics forum. Many thanks to all!
Sebastian Trost
RV-7A Tipup QB
Working on Canopy
Cameron Airpark, CA (O61)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
I urge all of us to respond to this threat against our GA freedoms by the sensationalist
media. This tripe will lead to more TFR's, restricted areas, security
at our small airports (have you noticed the miles of fences being put up around
the mid size airports?????). Eventually we will lose the freedom to fly
our airplanes anywhere.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/26/analysts_warn_of_small_plane_terrorism_threat/
Take a few minutes and let the editor (unfortunately, Karen Schaler, the writer
doesn't have the guts to list her email address) know what you think of this
piece of journalism.
letter@globe.com
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| Subject: | Nationair insurance news |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
I just got off the phone with the guy who's now running the Vanguard
insurance program for Nationair. He called to check on my upcoming
renewal and said that JT Helms had recently hired him to oversee the
program. He said that JT is no longer working on the Vanguard program
at all.
JT, are you still reading this group? What's going on here? If this is
true, a brief announcement to that effect would have been nice, if only
to prevent me from thinking that the guy who called was possibly running
some sort of scam. Just my paranoia talking... :-)
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
Pitts Model 12 N612KB (under construction)
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Chris,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: BrooksRV6@webtv.net (Chris Brooks)
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: First Flight
>Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:58:21 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: BrooksRV6@webtv.net (Chris Brooks)
>
>After 10+ years of construction RV-6 Ser. 22935 N164CB flew from MQY in
>Smyrna TN today. It may not look like much, but at least it doesn't fly
>too bad. Both wings are heavy, and you have to hold right rudder going
>up and left rudder coming down :-) The planes not bent, and my pants are
>still dry so I consider the flight a success.
>Chris Brooks
Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to
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| Subject: | Nationair insurance news |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Ken (and listers),
I spoke to JT a week or so ago as I was renewing. What you ****MIGHT**** be
hearing (what I heard from JT) is that the program is so successful that he
needed additional help ... could not keep up with all the answering of
questions, getting new quotes, and whatever else insurance folks have to do.
So he hired someone to take care of that part of the program that he felt he
could off-load to a subordinate.
So, I think it is simply a sign of success (a good thing!) and JT is still
there.
I have spoken to BOTH JT and the person that handles my policies. JT was
just the same phone call away and the new (additional person ... sorry I
don't remember his name at the moment) was very helpful and responsive.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Balch
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:34 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Nationair insurance news
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
>
> I just got off the phone with the guy who's now running the Vanguard
> insurance program for Nationair. He called to check on my upcoming
> renewal and said that JT Helms had recently hired him to oversee the
> program. He said that JT is no longer working on the Vanguard program
> at all.
>
> JT, are you still reading this group? What's going on here? If this is
> true, a brief announcement to that effect would have been nice, if only
> to prevent me from thinking that the guy who called was possibly running
> some sort of scam. Just my paranoia talking... :-)
>
> Ken Balch
> RV-8 N118KB
> Pitts Model 12 N612KB (under construction)
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Nationair insurance news |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I recently had communication with NationAir when I got my builder's
policy. The person that JT hired is Aaron Wedge.
Bob
RV-10 #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Balch
Subject: RV-List: Nationair insurance news
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
I just got off the phone with the guy who's now running the Vanguard
insurance program for Nationair. He called to check on my upcoming
renewal and said that JT Helms had recently hired him to oversee the
program. He said that JT is no longer working on the Vanguard program
at all.
JT, are you still reading this group? What's going on here? If this is
true, a brief announcement to that effect would have been nice, if only
to prevent me from thinking that the guy who called was possibly running
some sort of scam. Just my paranoia talking... :-)
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
Pitts Model 12 N612KB (under construction)
do not archive
==
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--> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 06:29 AM 8/27/2004, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
>
>Take a few minutes and let the editor (unfortunately, Karen Schaler, the
>writer doesn't have the guts to list her email address) know what you
>think of this piece of journalism.
I read the piece. Wasn't Karen just reporting on what some commission
said? I didn't see anything like editorializing on her part. What will we
say to her? Should we damn her for reporting something we didn't want to hear?
Would it matter if we found out she is a very religious pilot with a BUSH
button? Let's get some facts.
hal
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| Subject: | Re: Nationair insurance news |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
For something over 4 years of building now, I have been virtually "self insured"
all along including the potentially risky move to the airport. Very recently,
I installed a Garmin stack (thank you, John Stark) which in one fell swoop
dramatically increased the total investment in my unfinished RV-6A. After insistent
prodding (nagging) from my wife, I finally called the AOPA inquiring about
"builders insurance." Hard to believe, but after the initial telephone inquiry,
it took the AOPA more than 2 weeks to get back with the news that such
coverage was unfamiliar and not available through their good offices. Upon the
recommendation of a fellow RV builder, I called Nationair which happens to
be located right here (I had no idea) in River City and immediately secured 80K
in non-motion Vanguard coverage for $413. Recently hired Aaron Wedge handled
the whole thing. Relatively small premium, considerable coverage, and some
welcomed peace of mind, especially considering all t
he late
afternoon thunderstorms we've had around here lately.
Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing" N307R (reserved) "Darla"
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for an RV'er with mode s |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
Oh, give me a break about the "big brother" paranoia. I am putting in a 330 for
the collision avoidance so I can live to see another fly-in. I live in a very
congested area and the safety benefits far out weigh the costs. I have nothing
to hide so I don't care if they track me or not. Secondly, how long until they
are mandatory? If you don't live in a congested area don't even consider it.
GOTTA GO, there's a black helicopter landing out back. Oh no, black Suburbans with
guys in suits!!!!
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Well believe it or not, I actually did get a response from an RV guy who
actually has a flying airplane(RV), and mode S. I thought the list might
find it interesting. Since he did not reply to the lis, I have kept him
anonymous.
<snip>
Yep got that GNS430 and the GTX330 and I think its the best $2000 I
spent
since that hooker in Vegas. We can go up for a demo at GEZ, I'm planning
on
being there tomorrow. The 330 is really great for crowded airspace (your
around
ATL right?) and during formation it provides real peace of mind for
protection.
While the mode S can transmit N # it doesn't have to...my has never
beeen
program to do that. Its a better system then the airlines TCAS because
you also
get a vector line of traffic movement.
<snip>
Course when you don't want to be tracked, there is always the stby
button. I cant think of a good reason during normal flight why I would
not want to have this in my airplane. Now when I have my hotdog hat on,
that's what the power switch is for I guess. I am as fearful of big
brother as the next guy believe me (well maybe not as bad as some of
you), but for my every days runnings around under my busy class B, and
the handful of hours I fly cross country, this sure seems like cheap
tcas to me.
Regards
Michael Stewart
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| Subject: | Re: GA Scare Piece |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 8/27/2004 8:18:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
kempthornes@earthlink.net writes:
Would it matter if we found out she is a very religious pilot with a BUSH
button? Let's get some facts.
===================================
Hal-
For some of us that would be enough to run her out of dodge ;
).
Do not archive
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 710 hrs)
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| Subject: | Boston Globe Article |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
Thanks to Jamie Painter's heads-up regarding Karen Schaler's article in the
Boston Globe blasting GA aviation's terrorist threat, I clicked on the link
and read the article. I couldn't resist penning a response and sent this
letter to the editor. It probably won't get published, but it made me feel
better.
Do Not Archive
Karen Schaler's article in the August 26th edition about the terrorist
threat to general aviation was neither fair nor balanced, to borrow from the
Fox News credo. It's just one more example in a sea awash in "sky is
falling" fear mongering pieces that only presents one side of an issue in
order to bolster the writer's position. As a commercial and private pilot,
I abhor those security proposals that would ruin our way of life and limit
our freedom to such an extent that the terrorists would achieve their goal
without firing a shot. If we Americans had to foot the bill required to
ensure that every one of our leisure activities was terrorist-proof, an
oxymoron by definition, nobody would ever leave the prison-like shelter of
their homes. Since 9-11, nearly 150,000 people have lost their lives in
auto accidents on our nation's highways, yet nobody bats an eye because
we've become so accustomed to it and just accept it as a fact of life.
Well, at the risk of sounding omniscient, terrorism is a fact of life now
and the sooner we put it in perspective, the better off we'll be. I don't
mean to suggest we ignore it, I merely suggest we all take prudent measures
to combat it, all of us, and get on with our lives. And while I'm "wishing
for the moon", let's put political correctness in its proper place (in the
trash can) and start to deal with terrorism with the same seriousness as the
terrorists do in their attempt to achieve their goals. I've seen enough
wheelchair-bound grandmothers patted down at the airports and enough
amputees ordered to remove their prostheses because they set off the metal
detectors to make me realize that we're governed by idiots. It's not too
late to pool our energies and financial resources in intelligent and
constructive ways to thwart terrorism. To do otherwise is to lie prostrate
before murderers and acknowledge that they have won. I, for one, am not
willing to do that.
Ken Brooks
Roscoe, IL
RV-8 Panel and Electrical
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 8/26/04 10:59:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
BrooksRV6@webtv.net writes:
> After 10+ years of construction RV-6 Ser. 22935 N164CB flew from MQY in
> Smyrna TN today. It may not look like much, <SNIP>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My fuzzy BUTT it "may not look like much"- Folks, this RV is about as nice as
they get! CONGRATULATIONS Chris- a job well done on a magnificent plane,
can't wait to get in some air-to-air with ya to see if it looks just as good
trying to keep up with 51PW! 8-)
do not archive From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: GA Scare Piece |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
The sin in this case was not presenting both sides of the argument and
taking the yet incomplete report out of context. Journalists have a
responsibility to get the facts straight before scaring the hell out of
everybody.
See: http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2004/040827security.html for the
rest of the story....
> I read the piece. Wasn't Karen just reporting on what some commission
> said? I didn't see anything like editorializing on her part. What will
we
> say to her? Should we damn her for reporting something we didn't want to
hear?
>
> Would it matter if we found out she is a very religious pilot with a BUSH
> button? Let's get some facts.
>
> hal
>
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| Subject: | Re: A peek into the future?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
This will be yet another contributing factor towards lower pay for
commercial pilots :(
do not archive
shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: A peek into the future??
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Notice how in their study they used people who had never been exposed to
> conventional flight instruments? Give those people a Dynon or Blue
Mountain
> EFIS and I'll bet you'll see virtually the same test results.
>
> I inferred from this that we, pilots who have been trained on conventional
> instruments, may be at a disadvantage because of our prior established
> dependencies on certain visual patterns.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: A peek into the future??
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> >
> > This is not related to RV-dom in its present form, but who knows what we
> > will have in the panel a decade from now?
> >
> > What would our electronic flight instruments look like if they were not
> > mimicking mechanical gyros? What if there was a way to portray all
> > flight parameters in a format that didn't require an instrument scan?
> >
> > The following link is to a study that is investigating these questions.
> > I do not make any claims to understand even half of what is discussed in
> > the paper, but I find it fascinating to consider how our flight
> > instruments may appear at some time in the future. Maybe those
> > instrument panels on Star Trek weren't that outrageous after all!
> >
> >
>
http://www.ihmc.us/research/projects/OZ_UCAV/downloads/OzHumanCenteredComput
ing.pdf
> >
> > No doubt if something along the lines of the above study ever happens,
> > it will be available commercially first in the realm of experimental
> > aviation.
> >
> > Sam Buchanan
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GA Scare Piece |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
illogical (but typical for a liberal) to think you could find someone who fits
that bill.
most religious folks i know who are pilots dream of retiring and becoming missionary/disaster
relief/bush (no pun intended) pilots. seems to go hand in hand.
last thing i think i'd ever hear out of them is something as stupid as what
karen reported on.
do not archive
In a message dated 8/27/2004 11:44:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Vanremog@aol.com
writes:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 8/27/2004 8:18:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>kempthornes@earthlink.net writes:
>
>Would it matter if we found out she is a very religious pilot with a BUSH
>button? Let's get some facts.
>
>
>===================================
>
>Hal-
>
>For some of us that would be enough to run her out of dodge ;
>).
>
>Do not archive
>
>GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 710 hrs)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GA Scare Piece |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
i didn't say liberals had a monopoly on stupidity.
i said that those who read the globe (meaning on a regular basis) are..
unless of course you're 'normal' and read it regularly for the 'amusement' it is...
do not archive
In a message dated 8/26/2004 10:59:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Vanremog@aol.com
writes:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 8/26/2004 3:23:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>RV8ter@aol.com writes:
>
>Folks that read that pathetic excuse of a news paper have long since given
>up
>their common sense and that rag merely reflects their liberal stupidity.
>
>
>=====================================
>
>Unfortunately the liberals have no monopoly on stupidity. Just choose your
>subject matter (religion, sex, violence, guns,energy, immigration, drugs,
>corporate finance, etc.) and there is certainly stupidity aplenty across the
>board.
>
>GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 710 hrs)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nationair insurance news |
--> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
As long as I am building in my garage I assume I am covered by my
homeowners policy, is this a valid assumption?
Dave Figgins RV-7A empennage
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Galati
Subject: RV-List: Re: Nationair insurance news
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
For something over 4 years of building now, I have been virtually "self
insured" all along including the potentially risky move to the airport.
Very recently, I installed a Garmin stack (thank you, John Stark) which
in one fell swoop dramatically increased the total investment in my
unfinished RV-6A. After insistent prodding (nagging) from my wife, I
finally called the AOPA inquiring about "builders insurance." Hard to
believe, but after the initial telephone inquiry, it took the AOPA more
than 2 weeks to get back with the news that such coverage was unfamiliar
and not available through their good offices. Upon the recommendation
of a fellow RV builder, I called Nationair which happens to be located
right here (I had no idea) in River City and immediately secured 80K in
non-motion Vanguard coverage for $413. Recently hired Aaron Wedge
handled the whole thing. Relatively small premium, considerable
coverage, and some welcomed peace of mind, especially considering all t
he late afternoon thunderstorms we've had around here lately.
Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing" N307R (reserved) "Darla"
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
NO!!!! Every single homeowners insurance policy I've seen excludes
aircraft and aircraft parts. READ YOUR POLICY.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dfiggins@es.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Nationair insurance news
--> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
As long as I am building in my garage I assume I am covered by my
homeowners policy, is this a valid assumption?
Dave Figgins RV-7A empennage
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Galati
Subject: RV-List: Re: Nationair insurance news
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
For something over 4 years of building now, I have been virtually "self
insured" all along including the potentially risky move to the airport.
Very recently, I installed a Garmin stack (thank you, John Stark) which
in one fell swoop dramatically increased the total investment in my
unfinished RV-6A. After insistent prodding (nagging) from my wife, I
finally called the AOPA inquiring about "builders insurance." Hard to
believe, but after the initial telephone inquiry, it took the AOPA more
than 2 weeks to get back with the news that such coverage was unfamiliar
and not available through their good offices. Upon the recommendation
of a fellow RV builder, I called Nationair which happens to be located
right here (I had no idea) in River City and immediately secured 80K in
non-motion Vanguard coverage for $413. Recently hired Aaron Wedge
handled the whole thing. Relatively small premium, considerable
coverage, and some welcomed peace of mind, especially considering all t
he late afternoon thunderstorms we've had around here lately.
Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing" N307R (reserved) "Darla"
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| Subject: | Re: Nationair insurance news |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
Not unless you got a rider on the policy.....
----- Original Message -----
From: <dfiggins@es.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Nationair insurance news
> --> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
>
> As long as I am building in my garage I assume I am covered by my
> homeowners policy, is this a valid assumption?
>
> Dave Figgins RV-7A empennage
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| Subject: | Re: Nationair insurance news |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 8/27/04 1:01:15 PM Central Daylight Time, dfiggins@es.com
writes:
> As long as I am building in my garage I assume I am covered by my
> homeowners policy, is this a valid assumption?
Not from most homeowners policies. Call Aaron Wedge @ 877-475-5860 for VERY
reasonable rates & great service- "builders" policy upgraded to "flying" in
January '04! (I too was dissapointed our RV-list resident agent wouldn't be
handling my policy, but that's the price you pay for success!) No commision,
just a happy Nation Air customer...........
Mark Phillips -6A
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| Subject: | Re: Nationair insurance news |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
No, home owners specifically will not cover aircraft or aircraft parts.
Read your policy.
At 11:59 AM 8/27/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
>
>As long as I am building in my garage I assume I am covered by my
>homeowners policy, is this a valid assumption?
>
>Dave Figgins RV-7A empennage
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Galati
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Re: Nationair insurance news
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
>
>For something over 4 years of building now, I have been virtually "self
>insured" all along including the potentially risky move to the airport.
>Very recently, I installed a Garmin stack (thank you, John Stark) which
>in one fell swoop dramatically increased the total investment in my
>unfinished RV-6A. After insistent prodding (nagging) from my wife, I
>finally called the AOPA inquiring about "builders insurance." Hard to
>believe, but after the initial telephone inquiry, it took the AOPA more
>than 2 weeks to get back with the news that such coverage was unfamiliar
>and not available through their good offices. Upon the recommendation
>of a fellow RV builder, I called Nationair which happens to be located
>right here (I had no idea) in River City and immediately secured 80K in
>non-motion Vanguard coverage for $413. Recently hired Aaron Wedge
>handled the whole thing. Relatively small premium, considerable
>coverage, and some welcomed peace of mind, especially considering all t
>he late afternoon thunderstorms we've had around here lately.
>
>Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing" N307R (reserved) "Darla"
>
>
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>
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Eng dept 305
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Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Nationair insurance news |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Dave,
Unfortunately, it's not a valid assumption. Builders coverage varies from
one company/underwriter to another. And it can be complex. For instance,
with Rotorway's agent of choice (Willis Caroon in Texas), they offer
coverage for physical damage during construction, and third-party liability
insurance one it's flying. But if someone watches you build and cracks their
head on part of the project, your insurance won't coverage them. Generally,
homeowner's insurance won't cover the project even if you're building it in
your garage.
How did I find all this out? <grin> The upcoming Kitplanes magazine
(October) has an article I wrote about insuring homebuilts. I had to admit
that the subject of insurance generally makes my eyes glaze over, but the
people who provided information, including JT Helms (thank you!) made it
interesting and understandable.
thanks,
Cory
> --> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
>
> As long as I am building in my garage I assume I am covered by my
> homeowners policy, is this a valid assumption?
>
> Dave Figgins RV-7A empennage
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| Subject: | Re: Nationair insurance news |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 10:59 27/08/2004 <dfiggins@es.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
> As long as I am building in my garage I assume I am covered by my
> homeowners policy, is this a valid assumption?
As you'll hear about any insurance question that starts with "am I
covered...", the answer is "it depends".
Some builders have discussed their projects with their insurers and found
them to be quite amenable to insuring it. In some cases additional
coverage was added to cover the increased equity in the tools or in the kit
materials. Others found that their existing coverage was adequate for
their tools, and that the kit parts were covered under "contents."
Other builders were told flat out that their complete homeowner's policy
was null and void the day they mentioned they were building an aircraft in
the basement. I still don't know what those people did to work out their
insurance.
If you don't tell your insurer that you're building, you run the risk of
being denied coverage in the event of the claim for not providing full
disclosure. If you do tell them, you run the risk of having coverage
denied up front because you are building. So unless you can self-insure
(as some do), you're better off discussing the situation up-front with your
insurer and making sure you're covered.
If you're concerned about having your coverage pulled if you bring up the
topic, shop around first and find one or two insurers who *will* cover you
while you're building. Then you're in a much stronger bargaining position
with your current insurer if they try to pull your coverage. And you have
a place to go if it doesn't work out.
-Rob
(currently building under normal homeowner's coverage only)
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--> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
Interesting set of comments, obviously my assumption is invalid but I
fail to see the difference between building a plane in the garage from
building a hot-rod or dragster or boat etc in the garage with respect to
the comment about "invalidating" the entire home owners policy. At this
point the major investment is in tools which I think would be covered
but I guess I need to make some calls.
Thanks
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Nationair insurance news
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 10:59 27/08/2004 <dfiggins@es.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
> As long as I am building in my garage I assume I am covered by my
> homeowners policy, is this a valid assumption?
As you'll hear about any insurance question that starts with "am I
covered...", the answer is "it depends".
Some builders have discussed their projects with their insurers and
found them to be quite amenable to insuring it. In some cases
additional coverage was added to cover the increased equity in the tools
or in the kit materials. Others found that their existing coverage was
adequate for their tools, and that the kit parts were covered under
"contents."
Other builders were told flat out that their complete homeowner's policy
was null and void the day they mentioned they were building an aircraft
in the basement. I still don't know what those people did to work out
their insurance.
If you don't tell your insurer that you're building, you run the risk of
being denied coverage in the event of the claim for not providing full
disclosure. If you do tell them, you run the risk of having coverage
denied up front because you are building. So unless you can self-insure
(as some do), you're better off discussing the situation up-front with
your insurer and making sure you're covered.
If you're concerned about having your coverage pulled if you bring up
the topic, shop around first and find one or two insurers who *will*
cover you while you're building. Then you're in a much stronger
bargaining position with your current insurer if they try to pull your
coverage. And you have a place to go if it doesn't work out.
-Rob
(currently building under normal homeowner's coverage only)
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Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:53:47 -0500
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
Dave, I thought the same thing until I talked with my homeowners agent. He said
"not no, but hell no it ain't covered".
Better give a quick call to your HO agent to make sure?!
Tommy
6A, Finishing
As long as I am building in my garage I assume I am covered by my
homeowners policy, is this a valid assumption?
Dave Figgins RV-7A empennage
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Nationair insurance news |
08/27/2004 01:56:53 PM,
Serialize complete at 08/27/2004 01:56:53 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com
Not mine! I specifically asked this and was told no it wasn't covered
(Farmer's).
Scott
<dfiggins@es.com>
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
08/27/2004 10:59 AM
Please respond to rv-list
To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Nationair insurance news
--> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
As long as I am building in my garage I assume I am covered by my
homeowners policy, is this a valid assumption?
Dave Figgins RV-7A empennage
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Nationair insurance news |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
Think of it as a fur coat. Such items are not covered either unless you add
them specifically to the policy. It will not invalidate your policy if you
dont but if your house burns to the ground they won't pay for the plane....
----- Original Message -----
From: <dfiggins@es.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Nationair insurance news
> --> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
>
> Interesting set of comments, obviously my assumption is invalid but I
> fail to see the difference between building a plane in the garage from
> building a hot-rod or dragster or boat etc in the garage with respect to
> the comment about "invalidating" the entire home owners policy. At this
> point the major investment is in tools which I think would be covered
> but I guess I need to make some calls.
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Nationair insurance news
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> On 10:59 27/08/2004 <dfiggins@es.com> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
> > As long as I am building in my garage I assume I am covered by my
> > homeowners policy, is this a valid assumption?
>
> As you'll hear about any insurance question that starts with "am I
> covered...", the answer is "it depends".
>
> Some builders have discussed their projects with their insurers and
> found them to be quite amenable to insuring it. In some cases
> additional coverage was added to cover the increased equity in the tools
> or in the kit materials. Others found that their existing coverage was
> adequate for their tools, and that the kit parts were covered under
> "contents."
>
> Other builders were told flat out that their complete homeowner's policy
> was null and void the day they mentioned they were building an aircraft
> in the basement. I still don't know what those people did to work out
> their insurance.
>
> If you don't tell your insurer that you're building, you run the risk of
> being denied coverage in the event of the claim for not providing full
> disclosure. If you do tell them, you run the risk of having coverage
> denied up front because you are building. So unless you can self-insure
> (as some do), you're better off discussing the situation up-front with
> your insurer and making sure you're covered.
>
> If you're concerned about having your coverage pulled if you bring up
> the topic, shop around first and find one or two insurers who *will*
> cover you while you're building. Then you're in a much stronger
> bargaining position with your current insurer if they try to pull your
> coverage. And you have a place to go if it doesn't work out.
>
> -Rob
> (currently building under normal homeowner's coverage only)
>
>
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| Subject: | A peek into the future?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: A peek into the future??
--> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
This will be yet another contributing factor towards lower pay for
commercial pilots :(
do not archive
shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: A peek into the future??
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Notice how in their study they used people who had never been exposed
> to conventional flight instruments? Give those people a Dynon or Blue
Mountain
> EFIS and I'll bet you'll see virtually the same test results.
>
> I inferred from this that we, pilots who have been trained on
> conventional instruments, may be at a disadvantage because of our
> prior established dependencies on certain visual patterns.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
Shemp and Dan: I deleted Dan's message before I decided to respond.
Sorry about that. I have no idea about lower pay for commercial pilots
but will say that I did not draw the inference from the paper that Dan
did. On the contrary, trained pilots were able to fly two simulators
simultaneously, each with different maneuvers, while in severe
turbulence. What they seem to have shown is that OZ is easier to learn,
and once learned is easier to use while producing superior results. The
illustrations included in the paper are not sufficient to form a
complete impression but after thinking about the concepts a little my
reaction is "where can I sign up?" The bug eyed mastery of 14 clocks as
someone has said, enables a skilled practicioner to succeed but is far
from ideal. To evaluate the two systems from the standpoints of the
learning curve and the success rate they must needs use untrained
subjects else the comparisons be completely skewed. I will be very
interested in the follow ups to this program and hope that more will be
published. This seems to be right up the alley for outfits like Grand
Rapids Technology and Dynon. I can hardly wait.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry James" <larry@ncproto.com>
Great to see this thread treated this openly and gracefully :-)
do not archive
Larry E. James Bellevue, WA HR2 (with some F1 bits)
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Cole <cole_gary@sbcglobal.net>
Chris,
Congratulation, and thank you for reporting an initial flight that wasn't perfect
all around.
I was beginning to wonder if I am the only one out there that didn't get it perfect
out of the box.
Do not archive.
Chris Brooks <BrooksRV6@webtv.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: BrooksRV6@webtv.net (Chris Brooks)
After 10+ years of construction RV-6 Ser. 22935 N164CB flew from MQY in
Smyrna TN today. It may not look like much, but at least it doesn't fly
too bad. Both wings are heavy, and you have to hold right rudder going
up and left rudder coming down :-) The planes not bent, and my pants are
still dry so I consider the flight a success.
Chris Brooks
DNA
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| Subject: | new books and cheap old ones |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Here's a couple new items and some discounted old ones. Order these by
return e-mail or phone at 800 780-4115. These are all first come first
serve, so call or e-mail back by Monday if you want one.
Thanks
Andy
Builder's Bookstore
www.buildersbooks.com
800 780-4115
1] JEPPESEN INSTRUMENT TEXTBOOK
Revision 6 of the big Jeppesen Instrument/Commercial Manual was just
released today. The price is $84.49. However, we have about a dozen left
of revision 5 which is less than a year old. (little has changed) On
Monday afternoon we will return our old #5s to Jeppesen. So if you want to
grab one before then, we'll discount the price to $60. (a $25 savings)
2] The FAA's AIRPLANE FLYING HANDBOOK
Revised about a week ago and twice the size of the old one. This is
everything the FAA thinks you ought to know about flying your airplane in
easy to understand full color graphics. We got a special "new release"
price on our opening order, so also till Monday, the RV list price for this
book is $20, instead of the normal $29.95.
3] HOW TO PAINT AN AIRPLANE.
By Ron Alexander. Finally an up to date and easy to understand book on
painting a homebuilt (with a nice RV on the cover) It's produced by
SportAir Workshops and EAA $19.95
...and a couple of one left of bargain basement items
Advanced Composites $15.00 (was $29.95)
Physics for Aviation $10.00 (slightly damaged, was $22.00)
Everything Explained for Pilots $25.00 (normally $59.95)
an evaluation copy of something we're not going to carry
Stress Without Tears $15.00 (normally $25.00)
another evaluation copy of something we're not going to carry
Introduction To Aircraft Maintenance $15.00 (normally $44.50)
an "prototype" edition of a new A&P General Textbook
Airplane PDQ software $25.00 (normally $99.95)
the previous edition from 2002
FAR/AIM 2003 on CD $10.00
also includes current AC 43.13
Getting Started in Electronics $10.00
An evaluation copy of something we're not going to carry
Simplified Aircraft Design For Homebuilders $20.00
an evaluation copy of a design book thats too expansive at $60, bot a good
deal at $20
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| Subject: | Navaid Autopilot |
--> RV-List message posted by: "S Hamer" <s.hamer@verizon.net>
I have a new Navaid Autopilot I'm considering selling in order to upgrade to one
of the newer models available from Trio or Digitrak. Mine has never been used
though it has been installed. I have the external Smart Coupler which may
or may not be of use to whoever may buy the unit. The prices haven't changed
since I bought this one, they're $1300 the last I looked. The external Smart
Coupler was around $200.
If anyone wants it, make me an offer. If the offer is good enough it may entice
me to spend the extra money to upgrade.
Hey Gummo, if you buy it I'll deliver it for nothing on my next walk.
Steve Hamer
Apple Valley, Ca
s.hamer@verizon.net
(760)486-5950
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| Subject: | Re: Nationair insurance news |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 8/27/04 11:01:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dfiggins@es.com
writes:
<< As long as I am building in my garage I assume I am covered by my
homeowners policy, is this a valid assumption? >>
Not if your homeowners insurance is like any that I have ever had. Better
check the fine print>
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, final assembly
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a@comcast.net>
> So he hired someone to take care of that part of the program that he felt
he
> could off-load to a subordinate.
>
> So, I think it is simply a sign of success (a good thing!) and JT is still
> there.
>
> I have spoken to BOTH JT and the person that handles my policies. JT was
> just the same phone call away and the new (additional person ... sorry I
> don't remember his name at the moment) was very helpful and responsive.
>
>
> James
=================================
AFAIK.....
Aaron is a_replacement_for the fine gal that handled my policies before
succumbing to cancer.
Bob
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