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1. 12:59 AM - Gears for my Slick Magnetos (Phil Chapman)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: The RV takes to the sky!! (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: smoke system (Roger Pierce)
4. 08:17 AM - Wire routing (Richard Suffoletto)
5. 09:49 AM - Re: Wire routing (james frierson)
6. 12:28 PM - Re: Critical RV-List Issue (Black)
7. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Critical RV-List Issue (Chris W)
8. 02:20 PM - Re: Wire routing (Jeff Orear)
9. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Critical RV-List Issue (Dave Bergh)
10. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: Critical RV-List Issue (Kevin Horton)
11. 05:08 PM - Re: RV-3 vs. RV-3A (Michel)
12. 05:25 PM - Van's Homecoming-- Where to eat (Richard Scott)
13. 05:39 PM - Re: Van's Homecoming-- Where to eat 1.70 SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS (Jerry Springer)
14. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Critical RV-List Issue (LarryRobertHelming)
15. 07:03 PM - Re:Critical RV-List Issue (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
16. 07:19 PM - Liability when you sell an RV? (ed)
17. 07:29 PM - Enjoying my RV6 (Jerry Calvert)
18. 08:04 PM - Re: Was Mode S, now Dynon serial output. (Bluecavu@aol.com)
19. 08:31 PM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (Brian Denk)
20. 08:48 PM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (Dave Bristol)
21. 08:50 PM - grass runway length for RV's? (czechsix@juno.com)
22. 09:13 PM - Re: grass runway length for RV's? (Scott Vanartsdalen)
23. 09:28 PM - Re: Van's Homecoming-- Where to eat 1.70 (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
24. 09:33 PM - Re: grass runway length for RV's? (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
25. 10:00 PM - new near vision procedure (Dave Mader)
26. 10:41 PM - Re: RV-3 vs. RV-3A (Jim Oke)
27. 11:48 PM - Re: Van's Homecoming (Doug Shenk)
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| Subject: | Gears for my Slick Magnetos |
29/08/2004 08:58:25
--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Chapman <CHAPMAP@uk.ibm.com>
I'm replacing my Bendix Magnetos with Slicks on my 0-320 and have found
that they need different gears, can anyone tell me which ones I need and
does anyone have any spare to sell? My new Slicks are 4371's with impulse
couplings. Any offers off-line on chapmap@uk.ibm.com
Do not archive
Many thanks
Phil Chapman
Internet Chapmap@uk.ibm.com
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| Subject: | Re: The RV takes to the sky!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Allright, Amit- better cough up a password so we can play too! 8-)
Mark - do not archive
> First album:
>
> http://checkoway.com/url/?s=43f9eb3f
>
> Second album:
>
> http://checkoway.com/url/?s=d23319d
>
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| Subject: | Re: smoke system |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Pierce" <rpierce@bak.rr.com>
Although I don't have a completed RV yet, I agree with what Stein says about
Smokingairplanes.com system. I spent some time with John (the owner of the
company) and his RV-6 last week, getting a first hand tour of his system.
Great guy and great system! Check it out!
Roger Pierce
Bakersfield, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: smoke system
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Funny you should ask....I just installed the system from
> http://www.smokingairplanes.com. I've been happily leaving long trails
over
> the past couple of weeks! I'll have pictures on my website soon.
>
> The kit is THE most complete kit that I've ever seen, from anyone. Comes
> with every little piece of hardware you can imagine, right down to Zip
Ties,
> Hose Clamps, Electrical terminals and wire.
>
> The neat thing is that it comes with an adjustable valve where you can
turn
> the smoke down from "full bore" to zero, which makes the oil last longer.
>
> Took me a whopping 2 hours to install the entire system! John, the guy
who
> runs that company will happily answer any questions you have, and is a
real
> nice guy. Tell him I sent you!
>
> Just my 2 cents! I'll hopefully have pictures soon.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
> RV6's, Minneapolis.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV8ter@aol.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: smoke system
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
> Where in the world did I read about a smoke system kit for RVs in the past
> few months? There was a kit which was made to fit in the forward baggage
> compartment of an RV8.
>
> thanks,
> Lucky
> do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto" <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
I wasn't able to find anything on this in the archives. I'm looking for suggestions
on how to route the wiring from behind the panel through or behind the spare
on a RV-7A. I'd like to keepthem out of view as best I can. I don't have a
great number of wires, just antenna andlights and flaps... Any photo's or suggestions
would be appreciated.
Thanks
Richard
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--> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
I used the center piece for the throttle and elevator trim and was able to
hide all the wiring including the 1/4" pitot polyflow behind it.
Scott
RV6-A Slider
N162RV
Flying..... 17hrs
>From: "Richard Suffoletto" <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Wire routing
>Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:14:04 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto"
><rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I wasn't able to find anything on this in the archives. I'm looking for
>suggestions on how to route the wiring from behind the panel through or
>behind the spare on a RV-7A. I'd like to keepthem out of view as best I
>can. I don't have a great number of wires, just antenna andlights and
>flaps... Any photo's or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Richard
>
>
> Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools
>and more!
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Critical RV-List Issue |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Black" <black@usa.sh>
I'm hanging it up with this list. I know I won't be missed because I
haven't been here long. When I inquired about the value of the list, some
thought it could be good, but others in our EAA chapter said it was a waste
of time with too much non-RV chatter and a lot of people spamming stuff to
sell. I noticed that in the couple weeks I've been out here that most of
the posts are not about building RVs or Flying RVs. They are just chatter.
I've also seen at least 5 instances of this blatant advertising that offers
nothing to an RV builder but more wasted time. It should be fine for any
builder to post something to sell as a private party but you've got folks
simply taking advantage of a captive audience. "Hey! I got your email, so
you gotta read my advertisement!" Sure, you can delete it, but you can deal
with all the other spam you get that way.
Finally, I read a while back a complaint about the very subject (something
about Big Mistake) and noticed that a lot of folks had that, "If you don't
like it, leave, attitude." So, now I understand why there really are so
relatively few RV builders who waste there time on this list. Those idiots
probably want to talk about building RVs! What could they be thinking? We
don't do that here, at least most of the time.
Do not archive and don't respond to me. I'm going hangar flying and
chatting with some folks who are interested in RVs.
Burt Black
RV6 700+ hrs
RV10 only 1500 hrs from completion!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Technical
Book Company
Subject: RV-List: new books and cheap old ones
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
--> <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Here's a couple new items and some discounted old ones. Order these by
return e-mail or phone at 800 780-4115. These are all first come first
serve, so call or e-mail back by Monday if you want one.
Thanks
Andy
Builder's Bookstore
www.buildersbooks.com
800 780-4115
1] JEPPESEN INSTRUMENT TEXTBOOK
Revision 6 of the big Jeppesen Instrument/Commercial Manual was just
released today. The price is $84.49. However, we have about a dozen left
of revision 5 which is less than a year old. (little has changed) On
Monday afternoon we will return our old #5s to Jeppesen. So if you want to
grab one before then, we'll discount the price to $60. (a $25 savings)
2] The FAA's AIRPLANE FLYING HANDBOOK
Revised about a week ago and twice the size of the old one. This is
everything the FAA thinks you ought to know about flying your airplane in
easy to understand full color graphics. We got a special "new release"
price on our opening order, so also till Monday, the RV list price for this
book is $20, instead of the normal $29.95.
3] HOW TO PAINT AN AIRPLANE.
By Ron Alexander. Finally an up to date and easy to understand book on
painting a homebuilt (with a nice RV on the cover) It's produced by
SportAir Workshops and EAA $19.95
...and a couple of one left of bargain basement items
Advanced Composites $15.00 (was $29.95)
Physics for Aviation $10.00 (slightly damaged, was $22.00)
Everything Explained for Pilots $25.00 (normally $59.95)
an evaluation copy of something we're not going to carry
Stress Without Tears $15.00 (normally $25.00)
another evaluation copy of something we're not going to carry
Introduction To Aircraft Maintenance $15.00 (normally $44.50)
an "prototype" edition of a new A&P General Textbook
Airplane PDQ software $25.00 (normally $99.95)
the previous edition from 2002
FAR/AIM 2003 on CD $10.00
also includes current AC 43.13
Getting Started in Electronics $10.00
An evaluation copy of something we're not going to carry
Simplified Aircraft Design For Homebuilders $20.00
an evaluation copy of a design book thats too expansive at $60, bot a good
deal at $20
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Critical RV-List Issue |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
WARNING: flame thrower in use!!
I have had enough of you whining, inept, clueless, morons! Every
mailing list and newsgroup has off topic chatter. Heck every group of
people gathered in any fashion for any purpose, has off topic chatter.
Get over it, and live with it! It has been my experience that the
discussion here stays closer to topic than the vast majority of the many
mailing lists and newsgroups I read. Even if it is directly on topic,
that doesn't mean you are going to want to read it. There are seeming
millions of messages about primer and tail wheel vs nose wheel or
whatever topic. When I first joined the list I read all those posts on
primer, now I know all I want to know for now on primer and I don't
read them anymore. It is the same with many directly on topic posts.
Fortunately for me I know how to delete messages that I don't want to
read and I can delete them in a small fraction of a second. Maybe we
need a class on how to delete things.
Black wrote:
>I'm hanging it up with this list. I know I won't be missed. . .
>
Thats for sure.
>When I inquired about the value of the list, some
>thought it could be good, but others in our EAA chapter said it was a waste
>of time with too much non-RV chatter and a lot of people spamming stuff to
>sell.
>
If you don't have a fraction of a second to spare to delete messages you
don't care about, I suggest you stop using email.
>I noticed that in the couple weeks I've been out here that most of
>the posts are not about building RVs or Flying RVs. They are just chatter.
>
>
So what!!!??? If people don't have questions about building the
"community" which is the RV-List is going to talk about other things. I
would be willing to bet large sums of money that you can't find a place
where you will get a quicker answer to a question about building.
>I've also seen at least 5 instances of this blatant advertising that offers
>nothing to an RV builder but more wasted time.
>
What the hell!? Advertising offers nothing!? What kind of alternate
universe do you live in? If an RV builder has something that he doesn't
need anymore or has some product idea he wants to market that I might
find handy when I build my plane, or if some homebuilt centered business
has a sell, how the hell else am I going to find out about it except for
advertising? If you think it takes lots of time to delete all the
messages you don't want to read, try adding up all the time you would
spend looking for products you want, and good deals on those products,
if there weren't any advertising. With out advertising in some form,
the American way of life would be impossible. Sure it can be abused,
but I have yet to see anything on this list that comes even close.
>It should be fine for any
>builder to post something to sell as a private party but you've got folks
>simply taking advantage of a captive audience.
>
Captive? Does someone have you chained to your computer desk with
toothpicks proping your eye lids open? Do they then hold a gun to your
head while you are forced to answer questions regarding the content of
every message?
>Finally, I read a while back a complaint about the very subject (something
>about Big Mistake)
>
The BIG Mistake was a bunch of simpleminded, inept, clueless morons
complaining about off topic posts. The only effect such whining has, is
to increase the number of off topic posts. It is amazingly stupid that
people would post off topic message because they are upset about too
many off topic messages. Now that is irony. I refer you once again to
http://cdw.homelinux.com:8088/diatribes/MailingListDiatribe.html
>. . . I understand why there really are so
>relatively few RV builders who waste there time on this list.
>
>
You are certainly entitled to your perceptions, no matter how delusional
they are.
>Do not archive and don't respond to me.
>
Fat chance!
>I'm going hangar flying and
>chatting with some folks who are interested in RVs.
>
>
I am sure there won't be one word of off topic discussion there. Get a
grip on reality already.
As to the latest topic that some might call off topic, namely "GA Scare
Piece", I have to assume that if you are building an RV you are planing
on flying it. Well our freedom to fly private small aircraft in this
country is being eroded, as with any freedom, if we don't ALL fight for
it, we will loose it. It has happened many times in history and will
continue happen in the future.
--
Chris W
Bring Back the HP 15C
http://hp15c.org
Not getting the gifts you want? The Wish Zone can help.
http://thewishzone.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Wire routing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Richard:
You can route your wires through a conduit mounted on the firewall stiffener
adjacent to the firewall recess with adel clamps and then under the center
floor cover.
At the Spar, drill another hole similar to the one that is predrilled for
the trim cable to pass through, only do it in the other wing spar. I ran my
conduit under the floor cover and then just through the hole in the spar.
Keeps the wires bundled nicely.
I will send you what pictures I have to you directly.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
firewall forward
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Suffoletto" <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Wire routing
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto"
<rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I wasn't able to find anything on this in the archives. I'm looking for
suggestions on how to route the wiring from behind the panel through or
behind the spare on a RV-7A. I'd like to keepthem out of view as best I can.
I don't have a great number of wires, just antenna andlights and flaps...
Any photo's or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Richard
>
>
> Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools
and more!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Critical RV-List Issue |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Bergh" <dbergh@starband.net>
SEE YA!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Black" <black@usa.sh>
Subject: RV-List: RE: Critical RV-List Issue
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Black" <black@usa.sh>
>
> I'm hanging it up with this list. I know I won't be missed because I
> haven't been here long. When I inquired about the value of the list, some
> thought it could be good, but others in our EAA chapter said it was a
waste
> of time with too much non-RV chatter and a lot of people spamming stuff to
> sell. I noticed that in the couple weeks I've been out here that most of
> the posts are not about building RVs or Flying RVs. They are just
chatter.
> I've also seen at least 5 instances of this blatant advertising that
offers
> nothing to an RV builder but more wasted time. It should be fine for any
> builder to post something to sell as a private party but you've got folks
> simply taking advantage of a captive audience. "Hey! I got your email, so
> you gotta read my advertisement!" Sure, you can delete it, but you can
deal
> with all the other spam you get that way.
>
> Finally, I read a while back a complaint about the very subject (something
> about Big Mistake) and noticed that a lot of folks had that, "If you don't
> like it, leave, attitude." So, now I understand why there really are so
> relatively few RV builders who waste there time on this list. Those
idiots
> probably want to talk about building RVs! What could they be thinking?
We
> don't do that here, at least most of the time.
>
> Do not archive and don't respond to me. I'm going hangar flying and
> chatting with some folks who are interested in RVs.
>
> Burt Black
> RV6 700+ hrs
> RV10 only 1500 hrs from completion!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft
Technical
> Book Company
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: new books and cheap old ones
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
> --> <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> Here's a couple new items and some discounted old ones. Order these by
> return e-mail or phone at 800 780-4115. These are all first come first
> serve, so call or e-mail back by Monday if you want one.
>
> Thanks
> Andy
> Builder's Bookstore
> www.buildersbooks.com
> 800 780-4115
>
>
> 1] JEPPESEN INSTRUMENT TEXTBOOK
> Revision 6 of the big Jeppesen Instrument/Commercial Manual was just
> released today. The price is $84.49. However, we have about a dozen left
> of revision 5 which is less than a year old. (little has changed) On
> Monday afternoon we will return our old #5s to Jeppesen. So if you want
to
> grab one before then, we'll discount the price to $60. (a $25 savings)
>
> 2] The FAA's AIRPLANE FLYING HANDBOOK
> Revised about a week ago and twice the size of the old one. This is
> everything the FAA thinks you ought to know about flying your airplane in
> easy to understand full color graphics. We got a special "new release"
> price on our opening order, so also till Monday, the RV list price for
this
> book is $20, instead of the normal $29.95.
>
> 3] HOW TO PAINT AN AIRPLANE.
> By Ron Alexander. Finally an up to date and easy to understand book on
> painting a homebuilt (with a nice RV on the cover) It's produced by
> SportAir Workshops and EAA $19.95
>
>
> ...and a couple of one left of bargain basement items
>
> Advanced Composites $15.00 (was $29.95)
>
> Physics for Aviation $10.00 (slightly damaged, was $22.00)
>
> Everything Explained for Pilots $25.00 (normally $59.95)
> an evaluation copy of something we're not going to carry
>
> Stress Without Tears $15.00 (normally $25.00)
> another evaluation copy of something we're not going to carry
>
> Introduction To Aircraft Maintenance $15.00 (normally $44.50)
> an "prototype" edition of a new A&P General Textbook
>
> Airplane PDQ software $25.00 (normally $99.95)
> the previous edition from 2002
>
> FAR/AIM 2003 on CD $10.00
> also includes current AC 43.13
>
> Getting Started in Electronics $10.00
> An evaluation copy of something we're not going to carry
>
> Simplified Aircraft Design For Homebuilders $20.00
> an evaluation copy of a design book thats too expansive at $60, bot a good
> deal at $20
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Critical RV-List Issue |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Black" <black@usa.sh>
>
>I'm hanging it up with this list.
While I too wish the list stayed more on topic, the only thing worse
than an off-topic post is a dozen posts complaining about it.
Complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) does no good.
Having extremely useful list members leave in disgust does no good.
Take it, or leave it, but don't complain about it.
The list isn't for everyone, but I learned stuff from the list
messages that saved me thousands of dollars, and many, many hours of
building time. I used to read every message, but the list volume,
and SNR is now such that I only read a tiny percentage of messages -
I cherry pick those with interesting subject lines. And those guys
who change the subject, without changing the subject line, well,
their messages don't get read. Life goes on.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Michel" <rv8ter@rogers.com>
I purchased my RV 3 kit in 1979 and was confused with the extra ribs and
angles that were different from what was required in the plans. When I
inquired to Van's they said oh! Silly us we forgot to put the updated
instruction for the extra ribs and angles that we included in the kit.
Michel
RV3 & RV8
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Compton
Subject: RV-List: RV-3 vs. RV-3A
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
Listers:
I'm familiar with the rear spar mod, CN-1, 1-4, for early 80's and older
RV-3's, which when reworked allowed for the "A" designation. What I'm
trying to find out is when/if this mod was incorporated into the RV-3 kit.
In other words, was there a certain time after which all RV-3 kits sold had
the fork-type rear spar and carry-through attach structure and no retro-work
was needed?
I've searched the archives and have found little help, although I did read a
post about the "A" designation later being dropped. Is that because the
kits being produced had the upgraded structure?
Thanks.
Randy Compton
Gulf Breeze, FL
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rv7-list@matronics.com, rv10-list@matronics.com, rv8-list@matronics.com,
rv3-list@matronics.com, rv4-list@matronics.com
| Subject: | Van's Homecoming-- Where to eat |
1.70 SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS Similar addresses in recipient list
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com>
Scrumptous breakfast both Saturday & Sunday will be served right at
Van's--pancakes, eggs, ham, sausage, bacon, coffee & orange juice. And
lunch on Saturday, burgers, corn on the cob.
Served by EAA Chapter 902. Don't miss out!
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Homecoming-- Where to eat 1.70 SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS |
Similar addresses in recipient list
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Richard Scott wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com>
>
>Scrumptous breakfast both Saturday & Sunday will be served right at
>Van's--pancakes, eggs, ham, sausage, bacon, coffee & orange juice. And
>lunch on Saturday, burgers, corn on the cob.
>
>Served by EAA Chapter 902. Don't miss out!
>
>
>
>
Chapter 105 also has their world famous first Saturday of every month
pancake, grits, bacon, eggs etc. at Twin Oak
Airpark (7S3) on Saturday the 4th of Sept.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Critical RV-List Issue |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
BLACK: The LIST is a tremendous resource without signing up for it. You
can access the archives without being a signed-up member. There is just
about everything you can imagine and just about every question answered that
has been asked already in the archives. If you don't want to submit
questions or post a reply, then the archives is your best bet. So, only use
it when you want to.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
The sincerest satisfactions in life come in doing and not dodging duty; in
meeting and solving problems, in facing facts, in being a dependable person.
- Richard L. Evans
----- Original Message -----
From: "Black" <black@usa.sh>
Subject: RV-List: RE: Critical RV-List Issue
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Black" <black@usa.sh>
>
> I'm hanging it up with this list. I know I won't be missed because I
> haven't been here long. When I inquired about the value of the list, some
> thought it could be good, but others in our EAA chapter said it was a
waste
> of time with too much non-RV chatter and a lot of people spamming stuff to
> sell. I noticed that in the couple weeks I've been out here that most of
> the posts are not about building RVs or Flying RVs. They are just
chatter.
> I've also seen at least 5 instances of this blatant advertising that
offers
> nothing to an RV builder but more wasted time. It should be fine for any
> builder to post something to sell as a private party but you've got folks
> simply taking advantage of a captive audience. "Hey! I got your email, so
> you gotta read my advertisement!" Sure, you can delete it, but you can
deal
> with all the other spam you get that way.
>
> Finally, I read a while back a complaint about the very subject (something
> about Big Mistake) and noticed that a lot of folks had that, "If you don't
> like it, leave, attitude." So, now I understand why there really are so
> relatively few RV builders who waste there time on this list. Those
idiots
> probably want to talk about building RVs! What could they be thinking?
We
> don't do that here, at least most of the time.
>
> Do not archive and don't respond to me. I'm going hangar flying and
> chatting with some folks who are interested in RVs.
>
> Burt Black
> RV6 700+ hrs
> RV10 only 1500 hrs from completion!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft
Technical
> Book Company
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: new books and cheap old ones
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
> --> <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> Here's a couple new items and some discounted old ones. Order these by
> return e-mail or phone at 800 780-4115. These are all first come first
> serve, so call or e-mail back by Monday if you want one.
>
> Thanks
> Andy
> Builder's Bookstore
> www.buildersbooks.com
> 800 780-4115
>
>
> 1] JEPPESEN INSTRUMENT TEXTBOOK
> Revision 6 of the big Jeppesen Instrument/Commercial Manual was just
> released today. The price is $84.49. However, we have about a dozen left
> of revision 5 which is less than a year old. (little has changed) On
> Monday afternoon we will return our old #5s to Jeppesen. So if you want
to
> grab one before then, we'll discount the price to $60. (a $25 savings)
>
> 2] The FAA's AIRPLANE FLYING HANDBOOK
> Revised about a week ago and twice the size of the old one. This is
> everything the FAA thinks you ought to know about flying your airplane in
> easy to understand full color graphics. We got a special "new release"
> price on our opening order, so also till Monday, the RV list price for
this
> book is $20, instead of the normal $29.95.
>
> 3] HOW TO PAINT AN AIRPLANE.
> By Ron Alexander. Finally an up to date and easy to understand book on
> painting a homebuilt (with a nice RV on the cover) It's produced by
> SportAir Workshops and EAA $19.95
>
>
> ...and a couple of one left of bargain basement items
>
> Advanced Composites $15.00 (was $29.95)
>
> Physics for Aviation $10.00 (slightly damaged, was $22.00)
>
> Everything Explained for Pilots $25.00 (normally $59.95)
> an evaluation copy of something we're not going to carry
>
> Stress Without Tears $15.00 (normally $25.00)
> another evaluation copy of something we're not going to carry
>
> Introduction To Aircraft Maintenance $15.00 (normally $44.50)
> an "prototype" edition of a new A&P General Textbook
>
> Airplane PDQ software $25.00 (normally $99.95)
> the previous edition from 2002
>
> FAR/AIM 2003 on CD $10.00
> also includes current AC 43.13
>
> Getting Started in Electronics $10.00
> An evaluation copy of something we're not going to carry
>
> Simplified Aircraft Design For Homebuilders $20.00
> an evaluation copy of a design book thats too expansive at $60, bot a good
> deal at $20
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Critical RV-List Issue |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Lawyers are professional liars - Some guys are professional bitchers.
Maybe they can't read well enough to scan over the list and select which they
want to read ??
do not archive
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Liability when you sell an RV? |
From: "ed \240" <ed_88@hotmai...
--> RV-List message posted by: "ed " <ed_88@hotmail.com>
So one of the reasons they say that homebuilt planes are so much
cheaper is that the builder is on the hook instead of vans for liability
reasons. So I assume that means if you sell your plane, that anyone who ever
touches it after you can sue you if they are in an accident? Has a
homebuilder ever actually been sued in a situation like this?
Any thoughts on how to protect yourself? I imagine having the buyer sign
something saying he understands it is a homebuilt wouldn't help. If nothing
else he could sell it to a 3rd party who never signed such paperwork.
Given all the insurance related talk recently I was wondering if this
is something that people are thinking about.
--Eddie
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
Today featured a clear blue sky and a northerly breeze. A little bumpy, but the
fun of flying the RV6 overshadowed that. I base at Sundance Airpark in Oklahoma
City and was heading back in and made a mid field cross-wind at 175mph to
check the sock(ok, showing off).....oh what the heck...a low pass(more showing
off) to wrap up a good day. Swing around into a left downwind for 35 and set
up for a smooth descending left turn to final. We're looking good...a little
head wind... but GPS indicating 204mph ground speed...pull up...yee haw! Not
bad for 160hp fixed pitch metal prop!
I park in front of the hanger and another RVer who was watching comes over grinning
and says...Looks and sounds great in flight...do you have 200hp?
Nope, 160hp.
He says ....NO WAY!
I grin and say, YES WAY.
I am having fun!
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
N296JC RV6
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| Subject: | Was Mode S, now Dynon serial output. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
>I will make a conversion circuit if someone will supply me with the
information on the gray coded output, like the logic levels, etc...
>Regards,
Trampas
www.sterntech.com
Buy this man a beer! Having just ordered a D10A and being upset for the same
reasons as everyone else w/ one, he's my new hero.
Scott
N4ZW
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| Subject: | Liability when you sell an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> So one of the reasons they say that homebuilt planes are so much
>cheaper is that the builder is on the hook instead of vans for liability
>reasons. So I assume that means if you sell your plane, that anyone who
>ever
>touches it after you can sue you if they are in an accident? Has a
>homebuilder ever actually been sued in a situation like this?
>
> Any thoughts on how to protect yourself? I imagine having the buyer
>sign
>something saying he understands it is a homebuilt wouldn't help. If nothing
>else he could sell it to a 3rd party who never signed such paperwork.
>
> Given all the insurance related talk recently I was wondering if
>this
>is something that people are thinking about.
>
>
>--Eddie
>
>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
Oh certainly. There are disclaimer forms, basically a hold harmless release
that is commonly used. I think EAA has one and I have a copy stached away
on my harddrive somewhere. It basically tries to completely separate the
builder from any and all possible liability once the airplane changes hands.
It's only a piece of paper though, and I'm sure it could be whittled away
by a savvy shyster to next to nothing if pursued hard enough.
I'll be dealing with this soon enough when I sell my RV8. Yikes.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51 tailcone/empennage rigging time.
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| Subject: | Re: Liability when you sell an RV? |
on zoot.lafn.org
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Ed,
A few years ago when my wife was selling her Mustang II, she contacted
EAA on this subject and their answer was that there had never been a
"successful suit" against a homebuilder.
The lawyers are looking for "deep pockets" and homebuilders generally
don't have them. If they squeezed me for every penny I have they
wouldn't get enough to make it worth their time.
Dave -6 So Cal
EAA Technical Counselor
ed wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "ed " <ed_88@hotmail.com>
>
>
> So one of the reasons they say that homebuilt planes are so much
>cheaper is that the builder is on the hook instead of vans for liability
>reasons. So I assume that means if you sell your plane, that anyone who ever
>touches it after you can sue you if they are in an accident? Has a
>homebuilder ever actually been sued in a situation like this?
>
> Any thoughts on how to protect yourself? I imagine having the buyer sign
>something saying he understands it is a homebuilt wouldn't help. If nothing
>else he could sell it to a 3rd party who never signed such paperwork.
>
> Given all the insurance related talk recently I was wondering if this
>is something that people are thinking about.
>
>
>--Eddie
>
>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | grass runway length for RV's? |
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Guys,
For those of you with experience flying RV's off grass strips, what would
you consider the minimum safe runway length? I know, it depends on a
variety of factors, so in this case lets assume no obstacles at either
end higher than 6' (i.e. a cornfield in August) and no higher terrain or
obstacles beyond that, relatively level & smooth runway surface,
operating at gross weight with 180hp / CS, on a hot/humid day (say 95 F)
at 880' msl, with no headwind. Maybe throw in a bit of dew or post-rain
moisture on the grass to reduce braking effectiveness, and this would be
about the worst case scenario for me here in Iowa. Would 1700' be
adequate under these conditions? I imagine takeoff would be a non-event,
so landing and getting stopped without too much pucker factor would be my
main concern....
Thanks,
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing....
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| Subject: | Re: grass runway length for RV's? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Sounds like plenty to me. See how short you can land at your home airport. I
bet it's less than 1700 feet.
czechsix@juno.com wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Guys,
For those of you with experience flying RV's off grass strips, what would
you consider the minimum safe runway length? I know, it depends on a
variety of factors, so in this case lets assume no obstacles at either
end higher than 6' (i.e. a cornfield in August) and no higher terrain or
obstacles beyond that, relatively level & smooth runway surface,
operating at gross weight with 180hp / CS, on a hot/humid day (say 95 F)
at 880' msl, with no headwind. Maybe throw in a bit of dew or post-rain
moisture on the grass to reduce braking effectiveness, and this would be
about the worst case scenario for me here in Iowa. Would 1700' be
adequate under these conditions? I imagine takeoff would be a non-event,
so landing and getting stopped without too much pucker factor would be my
main concern....
Thanks,
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing....
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Homecoming-- Where to eat 1.70 |
SUSPICIOUS_RECIPSSimilar addresses in recipient list
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> Richard Scott wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com>
> >
> >Scrumptous breakfast both Saturday & Sunday will be served right at
> >Van's--pancakes, eggs, ham, sausage, bacon, coffee & orange juice. And
> >lunch on Saturday, burgers, corn on the cob.
> >
> >Served by EAA Chapter 902. Don't miss out!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Chapter 105 also has their world famous first Saturday of every month
> pancake, grits, bacon, eggs etc. at Twin Oak
> Airpark (7S3) on Saturday the 4th of Sept.
>
> Jerry
>
> do not archive
Wow.... My wings are on, Canopy on, wiring done, most fiberglass done,
But, I Just cant make it this year. Next year, I will be there for a week.
I may be a month or so away, I want to meet all you old goats out there,
including you Jerry,(baa-aa-aaa) You are a credit to this list and I want you
to
know it..
Phil, in Illinois
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: grass runway length for RV's? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jaye and Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
Years ago, I practiced spot landing with maximum effort stops on a grass
runway prior to going into a one-way, 1700' strip with tall trees at one end
and a fruit orchard on the approach end, plus it was uphill( a plus) with
the wind above the trees occasionally a tailwind for departure( not a plus).
The first time I actually landed on the strip I had been practicing for, in
a 180 hp, fixed-pitch wooden prop RV-4, two-up( owner in the back), it sure
looked short while we were on final, but the slope contributed to that
appearance.
We actually aimed for the treetops on the approach end as the lift of the
wings will keep our flight path slightly above that, and practically drove
the machine right onto the ground with only a slight flare to preclude a
bounce.A wheel landing was used to eliminate float, followed by raising the
tail to kill the lift while coming on the brakes moderately until an overrun
was not in the cards, and we used less than half the runway.
This was at sea level, on a summer day, which on the Pacific Coast means
around 20C. Add a little lift from the extra bouyancy of both of us holding
our breaths during the latter stages of teh approach and landing.....
The departure was equally impressive due to the performance of these
machines, and that's without a constant-speed prop. Taxi up against the tall
trees, swing the tail almost into the trunks, full power, minimum-drag
attitude for acceleration, hold it level after liftoff for a little extra
airspeed when encountering that slight tailwind at the treetop level and
there's plenty of room left.
Which is a long way of saying that you should be fine within the parameters
you describe. Walk off the distance on a longer runway, then perhaps
practice to see how it feels and performs for you before committing
yourself.
SCott in VAncouver
----- Original Message -----
From: <czechsix@juno.com>
Subject: RV-List: grass runway length for RV's?
> --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
> Guys,
>
> For those of you with experience flying RV's off grass strips, what would
> you consider the minimum safe runway length? I know, it depends on a
> variety of factors, so in this case lets assume no obstacles at either
> end higher than 6' (i.e. a cornfield in August) and no higher terrain or
> obstacles beyond that, relatively level & smooth runway surface,
> operating at gross weight with 180hp / CS, on a hot/humid day (say 95 F)
> at 880' msl, with no headwind. Maybe throw in a bit of dew or post-rain
> moisture on the grass to reduce braking effectiveness, and this would be
> about the worst case scenario for me here in Iowa. Would 1700' be
> adequate under these conditions? I imagine takeoff would be a non-event,
> so landing and getting stopped without too much pucker factor would be my
> main concern....
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Mark Navratil
> Cedar Rapids, Iowa
> RV-8A N2D finishing....
>
>
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| Subject: | new near vision procedure |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Mader" <davemader@bresnan.net>
Guys,
> After 10 years of keeping reading glasses by my easy chair, around my
neck, in my pocket, &
> losing on the average of one pair per week, I was excited to hear about
this new procedure
> for the improvement of near vision. The procedure is fairly new and was
just approved by
> the FDA in Feb. So excited, in fact, that I went to one of the few places
in the country that
> does the procedure and had a preliminary consult. Everything sounded good
and I was
> ready to proceed.
> This procedure is CK (conductive keratoplasty) It uses, as I understand
it, radiofrequency energy
> instead of a laser and reshapes the cornea to help your near vision.
> All is well and I am ready to do it when last night I get a call from my
brother, who is a commercial
> pilot, and he tells me that his doctor said that if this procedure is ever
done you will never get
> a pilots license renewed. He said to try and find out if this is true. I
thought I would post the question
> here and see if anybody knows if this is true or not.
> Anybody familiar with this procedure or it's consequences as far as a
license renewal??
>
> Dave Mader
> 2nd slowbuild 6
> rebuilding the engine
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| Subject: | Re: RV-3 vs. RV-3A |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Randy;
As a point of reference, I purchased my RV-3 kits in fall 1980 (gosh, that's
24 years ago now!) and there were no CN-1 related materials or components in
the kits. No surprise, since CN-1 was issued in Feb of 1982. Reading the
text of CN-1 there is mention of several mishaps between July 1978 and March
1981 which led to the Van's aircraft detailed analysis of the RV-3 wing
structure and the eventual issue of CN-1.
One of the issues Van's had to deal with was an FAA document (which was
enclosed with CN-1) that placed a blanket prohibition on aerobatics on "any
RV-3 designated model aircraft". About the only around this blanket ban was
to redesignate the aircraft as a different model of aircraft presumably
after incorporating certain wing modifications and apply for a new
airworthiness certificate as a type other than an RV-3. This was, in fact,
the solution proposed by the FAA. CN-1 was essentially a recommended mod or
set of actions to designate an existing RV-3 to an RV-3A to work around this
FAA prohibition.
As you may be aware, CN-1 laid out four methods for modifying the root rib
depending on the exact nature of the root rib. The changeover date of Sept
1980 is mentioned as when .032 thickness root ribs were supplied vice the
earlier .020 root ribs. An RV-3 owner/builder was expected to decide which
version of the mod to incorporate depending on nature of the root rib
installed and the state of completion of the wing, etc. At the same time the
aft spar carry through structure was changed from a 1 x 1 x 1/8 angle to a
11/4 x 11/4 x 3/6 angle; the earlier small angle required some additional
reinforcement via a bolted on angle. The larger angle was OK but the aft
spar still required a doubler plate to put the spar bolt in double shear
vice single shear.
Keep in mind that in those days, Vans kits were rather basic compared to
what they are now and a lot more "components" were actually supplied as raw
sheet for the builder to cut out. The directions and plans were also a lot
simpler and so an RV-3 kit may well have included a set of CN-1 instructions
and some stock vice detailed plans and pre-cut parts.
Sometime later on, Vans started introducing nosewheel versions of his
aircraft line which used the "A" designator, the RV-6A being the first in
perhaps 1987 or so. That would be when the RV-3A designator sort of faded
away.
I still fly my RV-3 with the CN-1 wing mods incorporated in the later stages
of construction but the authorities in Canada didn't care much whether I
called it an RV-3 or RV-3A so I didn't bother complicating the issue.
Jim Oke
Winnipeg, Man.
RV-3, C-FIZM
RV-6A, C-GKGZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Compton" <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV-List: RV-3 vs. RV-3A
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
>
> Listers:
>
> I'm familiar with the rear spar mod, CN-1, 1-4, for early 80's and older
> RV-3's, which when reworked allowed for the "A" designation. What I'm
> trying to find out is when/if this mod was incorporated into the RV-3 kit.
> In other words, was there a certain time after which all RV-3 kits sold
had
> the fork-type rear spar and carry-through attach structure and no
retro-work
> was needed?
>
> I've searched the archives and have found little help, although I did read
a
> post about the "A" designation later being dropped. Is that because the
> kits being produced had the upgraded structure?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Randy Compton
> Gulf Breeze, FL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Homecoming |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Shenk <dshenk3@bresnan.net>
I may get a chance to get to Portland this weekend and go the homecoming
for the first time. My question is how Saturday and Sunday compare with
respect to amount of activity and to how many RV's are likely to be
available for inspection (read: get a much needed dose of
inspiration!). I suspect I will have to leave fairly early Sunday and
wondering how much of the event I'll miss.
Any info appreciated and you can let me know off list. Thanks. Do
not archive.
dshenk3@bresnan.net rv6a quickbuild kit but slowbuild technique!
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