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1. 12:02 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 02:15 AM - Re: The Chairborne Division (Richard Bibb)
3. 05:27 AM - Re: The Chairborne Division (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
4. 05:28 AM - Re: The Chairborne Division (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
5. 06:53 AM - Starter Woes (long) (Gary Zilik)
6. 07:00 AM - Re: The Chairborne Division (Doug Rozendaal)
7. 07:22 AM - Re: Starter Woes (long) (SportAV8R@aol.com)
8. 07:31 AM - Re: Wire routing (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
9. 07:47 AM - Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings (Evan and Megan Johnson)
10. 07:56 AM - California listers...homcoming (Evan and Megan Johnson)
11. 08:30 AM - Re: Starter Woes (long) (Gary Zilik)
12. 08:30 AM - Bifocal Contact Lens (Hull, Don)
13. 09:00 AM - Anyone building an RV8 in Reno / Carson City? (noel strong)
14. 09:08 AM - Re: Starter Woes (long) (Gary Zilik)
15. 09:50 AM - Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings (Jim Thorne)
16. 10:09 AM - Re: Starter Woes (long) (Laird Owens)
17. 10:38 AM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (Jeff Dowling)
18. 10:42 AM - LLC (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
19. 10:48 AM - Installing tires (Jeff Dowling)
20. 11:06 AM - Re: Van's new RV-10 (Jeff Dowling)
21. 11:26 AM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (John Helms)
22. 11:26 AM - Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings (Chris W)
23. 11:28 AM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (Scott Bilinski)
24. 11:38 AM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (Monty Barrett)
25. 11:46 AM - wire gage, length, amp chart (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
26. 11:53 AM - Re: LLC (Stein Bruch)
27. 11:59 AM - Re: wire gage, length, amp chart (N67BT@aol.com)
28. 12:04 PM - Re: Anyone building an RV8 in Reno / Carson City? (Tim Bryan)
29. 12:04 PM - Re: wire gage, length, amp chart (N13eer@aol.com)
30. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: Van's new RV-10 (Bobby Hester)
31. 12:50 PM - Re: Starter Woes (long) (Jeff Point)
32. 12:54 PM - Re: [[SPAM]] Re: wire gage, length, amp chart (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
33. 12:55 PM - Ellison Throttle Body (Jim & Bev Cone)
34. 12:58 PM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (Mike Robertson)
35. 01:07 PM - Re: [[SPAM]] Re: wire gage, length, amp chart (jammeter@comcast.net)
36. 01:16 PM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (Tim Bryan)
37. 01:46 PM - Re: Van's new RV-10 (Chris W)
38. 01:58 PM - Re: Ellison Throttle Body (Scott Bilinski)
39. 01:58 PM - Re: wire gage, length, amp chart (David Carter)
40. 01:59 PM - Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings (Evan and Megan Johnson)
41. 02:00 PM - Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings (Charlie England)
42. 02:02 PM - Re: wire gage, length, amp chart (Chris W)
43. 02:28 PM - (Tracy)
44. 03:03 PM - Re: wire gauge, length, amp chart (Jamie Painter)
45. 03:08 PM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (ed)
46. 03:11 PM - Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings (Steve Slayden)
47. 03:20 PM - Re: [[SPAM]] Re: wire gage, length, amp chart (Stein Bruch)
48. 03:26 PM - Re: LLC (Mike Robertson)
49. 03:28 PM - Re: Anyone building an RV8 in Reno / Carson City? (Jim Daniels)
50. 03:29 PM - Re: Van's Homecoming (Vanremog@aol.com)
51. 03:46 PM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (Hal / Carol Kempthorne)
52. 03:53 PM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (Richard Bibb)
53. 03:55 PM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? ()
54. 04:00 PM - Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings (Brian Huffaker)
55. 04:12 PM - Chairborne vs the List Police -- not very RV related, delete at will (Richard McCraw)
56. 04:20 PM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (David)
57. 04:22 PM - Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings (John Ammeter)
58. 04:29 PM - Re: Bifocal Contact Lens (Phil)
59. 04:44 PM - Re: Liability when you sell an RV? (Scott.Fink@microchip.com)
60. 04:52 PM - Re: Anyone building an RV8 in Reno / Carson City? (Tim Bryan)
61. 05:48 PM - Re: The Chairborne Division (Charles Rowbotham)
62. 06:51 PM - LASAR installation question (PeterHunt1@aol.com)
63. 07:34 PM - Re: LASAR installation question (Randy Lervold)
64. 08:20 PM - Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings (Larry Bowen)
65. 08:42 PM - Re: 0.70 RCVD_BY_IP Received by mail server with no name 1.16 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header (cgalley)
66. 08:52 PM - Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings (Evan and Megan Johnson)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RVSouthEast-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RVSouthEast-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RVSouthEast-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RVSouthEast-List Policy Statement
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things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
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| Subject: | Re: The Chairborne Division |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
This list shold first and foremost be about craftsmanship and the joy of
doing the things you love "right". At times the building process is tedious
and makes you wish you would never drill and deburr another hole, drive
another rivet, or mix another batch of whatever brand of primer you have
chosen after painful deliberation of all the conflicting advice presented
here and elsewhere. But it is worth it. Lest you doubt that fact archive
and reread anything Austin has ever written here or anywhere. This list is
about technical advice for sure, but it is also about inspiration. If you
cannot be inspired by words so aptly crafted as his I feel sorry for you.
Austin, my fired I have never met, I'll soon have a seat I'd be honored to
share shold our paths ever cross...
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | The Chairborne Division |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Good grief Austin. Here I came in this morning, logged into the
computer, seeing the 27 rv-list e-mails that dump into a special folder
so I can select fast and delete as I have been doing of late. And as I
have been contemplating leaving the list for a while, I get a message
like this that reminds me how much I truly enjoy this thing. I would
hate to leave and miss these posts from you. Thanks for reminding me how
much I do enjoy this thing.
Saturday Im gonna grab another ole timer at the pancake breakfast and
take him up, as I always do. They gleen like no other passenger.
Thanks for turning me around today, glassy eyed and all.
Mike Stewart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Austin
Subject: RV-List: The Chairborne Division
--> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <austin@uniserve.com>
Warning !!! Offensive content....delete now..
also, do not archive
The following is not a flying
story.....rather, it is a NON flying story.
I no longer own, nor see, nor will I ever see, the only beautiful thing
I have ever created....my Candy Apple and White RV6A.
This came about for no one single reason, but instead, for a number of
reasons which, at my age, became inevitable.
I have been chairborne for only 2 months and I cannot stand
to look at all the tools and old drawings and know that I will likely
not take them up again, but I do need to fly, and have been looking at
ways to resolve that .
I drive out to old airfields to look at the tiedowns there,
though not a soul appears and there is just me and the tall grass
bending like waves in the wind....and the quiet.
I saw an old airplane which bore the markings I recognized and realized
that I flew that airplane before I was married and any kids, now nearing
40 were born.
They are asking 10 times what that airplane cost new.
Such is the way of airplanes....some are without age, unlike us who
power them aloft.
From where I sit now, with a grand view of the mountain range, still
capped with snow, I compose my own flight forecast and see cloud, with
blue breaks and good vis and declare that a flight of 2 plus hours in an
RV would be adviseable and do-able and immensley gratifying......
But here I sit, at a keyboard, wishing I could just push open the hangar
door and see my racehorse ready to sprint.
And there is Jerry Springer, a man who invites invective, admiration,
and at least, discussion and participation while at this keyboard...
I have met Jerry's airplane many more times than I have met him for he
is always off mingling with good company.
One of lifes great pleasures is going to a flyin breakfast and just
seeing all the nice RVs that come in...if you dare leave the breakfast
line.
RV guys are just good to hang out with and guys like Jerry who did it
the hard way are always good for pointers.
Sure, there are times when I have vowed to quit the list, but there is
a gold mine there for those who wish to dig....this mine was "salted "
by all the old guys who are now flying, and still lurk, hoping to read
something which still keeps the flame alive.
Jerry is not the only guy, and a stirling fellow he is...and a
veteran, and not just in the RV sense.
Many others whose names I no longer see have helped me, saved me
grief and money, and I hope they are still there or lurking.
Apart from the elevation to a select group of diehards who suffer the
slings of those who have never been driven by a mission to create
something both beautiful and unique in order to fly the dream, there is
the knowing that we not only created the instrument of flight, we also
took the next step and took it airborne, thereby stating our trust in
our skill and our mission.
It does go bad sometimes, as witnessed by a news report that
an old guy, like me, test flew his Nieuport WW1 job, his dream of many
years, and crashed and burned, just like in the movies, and paid the
ultimate gamble.
Guys do that sometimes.
How well I can see and replay my last flight, where headwinds and
turbulence made a 2 hour plus flight into 3 plus, where hard banking
between the canyon walls made map reading tough indeed and the river and
railroad way down there were the only true guide between a correct turn
and a wrong one, and finally out over the grass lands where groundspeed
picked up to numbers to make you grin.
The old coach road is still visible and a house and livestock come and
go in a flash over a stand of pine forest.
I even see Bison grazing on reservation land.
Coming home is more of the same hard flying, with smoke of forest fires
laying a carpet of haze way off, and thunder showers making us take a
longer course home.
After dancing through the granite walls, the welcome ocean appears and
fast groundspeed on the GPS as we descend.
Home base says that lightening strikes and thunder showers are south of
the field and strong gusts over the runway and some have diverted
elsewhere, but the strip is close and we land with a little bounce and
the sky is dark and the air very warm as the canopy slides open.
Wind in the hair blows the buzz in the head away some and one just has
to grin at the RV......what an adventure and not to be equaled in any
but an RV !!
It is a very hollow, empty, feeling to go out to the field, punch in the
combination of the gate, and pull up in front of the hangar where your
RV no longer resides, waiting for the bark of the pipes, the checklist,
the zoom out of the circuit, and know that you really have no business
here...you are just a tourist.
I ask about renting and it is not cheap, and the checkout they want
is like 3 hours...this, after you have been flying a racehorse, and of
course, you have to book a week ahead to get a 172.......makes you long
for the old days...RV days.
Now that we "empty nesters" have downsized and do not have a shop
space to build, life is not as fulfilling as in the RV shop days, and I
wish I could just build a tail group to help somebody.
At least there is still some humour about as when I am at the
counter of a flight school and I ask how fast a Cherokee cruises and
they say 110, and they ask me about what I have flown lately and what
does the RV cruise at....I say 180...they exclaim.." what ?? what ?? "
with big eyes..
Like the old saw says...." you can take the man out of the RV, but
you can't take the RV out of the man " !!!
Anybody got an empty seat ?
L.A.T.
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| Subject: | The Chairborne Division |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
What are you kidding? Archive this thing.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Austin
Subject: RV-List: The Chairborne Division
--> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <austin@uniserve.com>
Warning !!! Offensive content....delete now..
also, {removed those forgotten words}
The following is not a flying
story.....rather, it is a NON flying story.
I no longer own, nor see, nor will I ever see, the only beautiful thing
I have ever created....my Candy Apple and White RV6A.
This came about for no one single reason, but instead, for a number of
reasons which, at my age, became inevitable.
I have been chairborne for only 2 months and I cannot stand
to look at all the tools and old drawings and know that I will likely
not take them up again, but I do need to fly, and have been looking at
ways to resolve that .
I drive out to old airfields to look at the tiedowns there,
though not a soul appears and there is just me and the tall grass
bending like waves in the wind....and the quiet.
I saw an old airplane which bore the markings I recognized and realized
that I flew that airplane before I was married and any kids, now nearing
40 were born.
They are asking 10 times what that airplane cost new.
Such is the way of airplanes....some are without age, unlike us who
power them aloft.
From where I sit now, with a grand view of the mountain range, still
capped with snow, I compose my own flight forecast and see cloud, with
blue breaks and good vis and declare that a flight of 2 plus hours in an
RV would be adviseable and do-able and immensley gratifying......
But here I sit, at a keyboard, wishing I could just push open the hangar
door and see my racehorse ready to sprint.
And there is Jerry Springer, a man who invites invective, admiration,
and at least, discussion and participation while at this keyboard...
I have met Jerry's airplane many more times than I have met him for he
is always off mingling with good company.
One of lifes great pleasures is going to a flyin breakfast and just
seeing all the nice RVs that come in...if you dare leave the breakfast
line.
RV guys are just good to hang out with and guys like Jerry who did it
the hard way are always good for pointers.
Sure, there are times when I have vowed to quit the list, but there is
a gold mine there for those who wish to dig....this mine was "salted "
by all the old guys who are now flying, and still lurk, hoping to read
something which still keeps the flame alive.
Jerry is not the only guy, and a stirling fellow he is...and a
veteran, and not just in the RV sense.
Many others whose names I no longer see have helped me, saved me
grief and money, and I hope they are still there or lurking.
Apart from the elevation to a select group of diehards who suffer the
slings of those who have never been driven by a mission to create
something both beautiful and unique in order to fly the dream, there is
the knowing that we not only created the instrument of flight, we also
took the next step and took it airborne, thereby stating our trust in
our skill and our mission.
It does go bad sometimes, as witnessed by a news report that
an old guy, like me, test flew his Nieuport WW1 job, his dream of many
years, and crashed and burned, just like in the movies, and paid the
ultimate gamble.
Guys do that sometimes.
How well I can see and replay my last flight, where headwinds and
turbulence made a 2 hour plus flight into 3 plus, where hard banking
between the canyon walls made map reading tough indeed and the river and
railroad way down there were the only true guide between a correct turn
and a wrong one, and finally out over the grass lands where groundspeed
picked up to numbers to make you grin.
The old coach road is still visible and a house and livestock come and
go in a flash over a stand of pine forest.
I even see Bison grazing on reservation land.
Coming home is more of the same hard flying, with smoke of forest fires
laying a carpet of haze way off, and thunder showers making us take a
longer course home.
After dancing through the granite walls, the welcome ocean appears and
fast groundspeed on the GPS as we descend.
Home base says that lightening strikes and thunder showers are south of
the field and strong gusts over the runway and some have diverted
elsewhere, but the strip is close and we land with a little bounce and
the sky is dark and the air very warm as the canopy slides open.
Wind in the hair blows the buzz in the head away some and one just has
to grin at the RV......what an adventure and not to be equaled in any
but an RV !!
It is a very hollow, empty, feeling to go out to the field, punch in the
combination of the gate, and pull up in front of the hangar where your
RV no longer resides, waiting for the bark of the pipes, the checklist,
the zoom out of the circuit, and know that you really have no business
here...you are just a tourist.
I ask about renting and it is not cheap, and the checkout they want
is like 3 hours...this, after you have been flying a racehorse, and of
course, you have to book a week ahead to get a 172.......makes you long
for the old days...RV days.
Now that we "empty nesters" have downsized and do not have a shop
space to build, life is not as fulfilling as in the RV shop days, and I
wish I could just build a tail group to help somebody.
At least there is still some humour about as when I am at the
counter of a flight school and I ask how fast a Cherokee cruises and
they say 110, and they ask me about what I have flown lately and what
does the RV cruise at....I say 180...they exclaim.." what ?? what ?? "
with big eyes..
Like the old saw says...." you can take the man out of the RV, but
you can't take the RV out of the man " !!!
Anybody got an empty seat ?
L.A.T.
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| Subject: | Starter Woes (long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
My engine, like many, came equipped with the Skytec lightweight starter.
At 7.8 lb. it was a lightweight but the permanent magnet motor spun my
lycoming like it was a big boy.
Then along came the 350 hour mark on my tach and the little lightweight
failed one morning. Click, Click, Click. For some strange reason I
suspected the firewall mounted starter solenoid so I replace it with a
new one. The problem went away so I forgot about it. About a month later
a fast approaching T-storm necessitated a quick start and departure and
the little starter went click, click, I went oh s*#& and then the
solenoid finally caught and off we went. A quick trip to NAPA and I had
a new solenoid mounted on the side of the Skytec and all was well.
300 hours later the scenario started to repeat itself. One cold December
morning while cranking the engine, the starter burped. What I mean is
during the second revolution of the blades the starter disengaged and
then re-engaged in a split second and the crashing sound of gears was
deafening but the engine started.
While at Oshkosh this past year I talked in depth with the manufacturer
and he explained there was a modification for the starter and if I would
send it in they would turn it around in on day leaving my down time to a
minimum. Being of the type that hates to be AOG I put this off until
last Saturday.
On my fifth start of the morning while flying Young Eagles the starter
again burped. Second blade swung around and crash, the gears ground and
everything came to a halt. Click, Click, click was all it would do now.
A couple of guys 1000 feet away came running when they heard the sound,
it was that loud. The prop would not turn freely anymore. I put quite a
bit of force trying to turn the prop but not enough to break anything.
When I removed the cowl I found the gears on the starter were jammed
into the gears on the ring gear and very stuck. The teeth were not
meshed but riding on top of each other. The case of the starter was bent
down 1/4 inch but did not break. When I removed the starter the flat
washer under the bolts were deformed in a cupped shape. Definitely a lot
of force at work here. We hand propped the engine and I headed for my
hangar.
I call Skytec on Monday to see what they would could do but there only
offer was to rebuild mine for 150 bucks no matter what it needed. I was
hoping for an upgrade to their new HTinline (wound motor, not a pm) but
they would not budge. I politely declined and wished them a nice day.
I called B&C and after a long hour on the phone with Bill and 550 bucks
lighter in the wallet I had a new B&C starter on the way. What a beauty
this new starter is. It sounds different, cranks about the same speed
and hopefully will never leave me stranded again. I have only heard good
about B&C's stuff. Time will tell
Gary Zilik
RV-6A 700 TTAE
Pine, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: The Chairborne Division |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Austin,
Many years ago on this list I told you, and I repeat, "Oh what wonderful
words you weave."
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Starter Woes (long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
he explained there was a modification for the starter
Gary- what vintage is your Sky-Tec? In what way might this difficulty relate to
the fact that it is a PM design?
Curious.
-Bill B
with a '98 vintage SkyTec and 420 trouble-free hours.
Message 8
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| Subject: | Re: Wire routing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 8/29/04 4:20:43 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
jorear@new.rr.com writes:
>
> Jeff Orear
> RV6A N782P (reserved)
> firewall forward
> Peshtigo, WI
>
>
Jeff,
Off the subject, but register your airplane now and save the hassle of
waiting for the registration just before you fly it. It can take over a month
to
get it registered. In the application where it says "Number of ------," write
in "seats 2." That cost me 2 or 3 more weeks. Also, get help from someone who
has just registered their plane to avoid ANY mistakes in the paperwork.
Do not archive.
Just trying to help. Hope you get it finished soon!
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (Flying 40 hours now)
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| Subject: | Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
You have to run a wire between the plates.....so unless you plan on putting
it outside the rear baffle I dont think this will work. The only way to do
this right is to remove the rear baffle on the tank then reinstall a new one
when you finish the cap. kit install. Not an easy task, but it can be done.
I have removed a lot of them to do repairs on various tanks. I destroy about
1 in 10 tanks when I do this.....Personally I think you should just stick
with the float senders
Evan
RV10 wings....creeping along
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Kuss" <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>
> Jim
> You can still install Vans senders in you QB fuel tanks. However, it
will
> require a bit of surgery to the rear baffle. You'll need to cut 2 access
> holes in the rear baffle. One in the 2nd bay and the other in the 2nd most
> outboard bay. After installation, make two access covers and seal them up.
> Charlie Kuss
>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Thorne" <rv7a@cox.net>
> >
> >Is there a capacitance fuel sender that can be used in the 7A-QB
> >wing? The Van's accessories catalog indicates that "the capacitive
system
> >is not available on QB models" I'm assuming this is because the probe
must
> >run the width of the tank and one would have had to drill the baffles to
> >accomplish this during construction of the tanks. ACS carries a couple
but
> >I can't tell if they would work from the catalog description. The
> >archives have a lot on these senders but not the answer to my question.
> >
> >Jim Thorne
> >7A-QB CHD
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | California listers...homcoming |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Is anybody out there driving up the I-5 corridor to Vans homecoming this
weekend? I have a new RV 6 fuel tank that desperatly needs a ride to the
home base in Aurora. If you have an empty trunk or pickup bed and would be
willing to do this, please let me know. I live in Redding, about 7 hours
south of Aurora. I can meet you at an off ramp and will buy you
breakfast/lunch/dinner or coffee (whichever is appropriate). Thanks in
advance, and apologies to the vast majority of listers....
Evan
(530)351-1776
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vanremog@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's Homecoming
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 9/1/2004 12:41:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> JusCash@aol.com writes:
>
> It looks like the weather is going to be pretty good for the trip to
Van's
> Homecoming. I plan to leave early Saturday morning. Is anyone else from
> So-Cal
> and Nor-Cal planing on going.
>
>
> ================================
>
> Cash-
>
> We'll call you in the air and see you there.
>
>
> GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 710 hrs)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Starter Woes (long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
I don't think the PM design is a downside to this starter. I wanted a
wound motor because it was explained to me that a wound motor takes less
cranking amps than a PM. I figured less is good here. The PM design is
definitely lighter.
SportAV8R@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> he explained there was a modification for the starter
>
> Gary- what vintage is your Sky-Tec? In what way might this difficulty relate
to the fact that it is a PM design?
>
> Curious.
>
> -Bill B
> with a '98 vintage SkyTec and 420 trouble-free hours.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Bifocal Contact Lens |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
I know this is an old thread and considered non-RV related by some on the
list, but if anyone out there is flying with bifocal contact lenses as I was
for a few years...don't. The FAA doesn't approve contact lens for near
vision correction, and that includes the common practice of using one
contact lens for near vision and one for far vision, called "monovision."
However, LASIK surgery correcting one eye for near vision and the other for
far vision is permitted after a waiting period of something like 6 months.
My AME who was a NASA flight surgeon was not aware of the recent re-wording
of the rules until I pointed them out to him.
I will say here that I got very good advice from both EAA and AOPA
physicians who are very knowledgeable. I wear bifocal contacts daily, but
when I go flying I wear single vision contact lens for distant vision and
have reading glasses handy for near vision. (Some military pilots do the
same.)
Also, I should mention I met at Airventure 2002 Dr. Van Nakagawara who is a
Research Optometrist with the FAA in Oklahoma City. He also is very
knowledgeable and helpful.
If you're interested in more details, contact me off-list.
Don Hull
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I know this is an
old thread and considerednon-RV related by some onthe list,but
if anyone out there is flying with bifocal contact lenses as I was for a few
years...don't. The FAA doesn't approve contact lens for near vision
correction, and that includes the common practice of using one contact lens for
near vision and one for far vision, called "monovision." However, LASIK
surgery correcting one eye for near vision and the other for far vision is
permitted after a waiting period of something like 6 months. My AME who
was a NASA flight surgeon was not aware of the recent re-wording of the rules
until I pointed them out to him.
<FONT face=Arial
size=2>
I will say here that
I got very good advice from both EAA and AOPA physicians who are very
knowledgeable. I wear bifocal contacts daily, but when I go flying I wear
single vision contact lens for distant vision and have reading glasses handy for
near vision. (Some military pilots do the same.)
<FONT face=Arial
size=2>
Also, I should
mention I met at Airventure 2002 Dr. Van Nakagawara who is a Research
Optometrist with the FAA in Oklahoma City. He also is very knowledgeable
and helpful.
<FONT face=Arial
size=2>
<FONT
face=Arial size=2>If you're interested in more details, contact me
off-list.
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face=Arial size=2>
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face=Arial size=2>Don Hull
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| Subject: | Anyone building an RV8 in Reno / Carson City? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "noel strong" <nstrong01@msn.com>
I have accepted a temporary assignment in the Carson City area and would
like to know if anyone is building an 8 in this area. Please reply offline.
Thanks,
Noel Strong
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| Subject: | Re: Starter Woes (long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
Oh I forgot, mine was a 98 vintage. 75% of the O-360 powered RV's on our
field of similar vintage have had similar contactor problems in the
400-500 hour range. Some earlier, some later. We surmise there may have
been a batch of starters that may have be effective. Of course this is
just in our little RV world. Mileage may vary
Gary
Gary Zilik wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
>
> I don't think the PM design is a downside to this starter. I wanted a
> wound motor because it was explained to me that a wound motor takes less
> cranking amps than a PM. I figured less is good here. The PM design is
> definitely lighter.
>
> SportAV8R@aol.com wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>>
>>he explained there was a modification for the starter
>>
>>Gary- what vintage is your Sky-Tec? In what way might this difficulty relate
to the fact that it is a PM design?
>>
>>Curious.
>>
>>-Bill B
>>with a '98 vintage SkyTec and 420 trouble-free hours.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Thorne" <rv7a@cox.net>
Evan and Charlie, thanks for the input. Believe I'll go with the float
senders based upon you knowledge, and recommendations.
Jim T
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| Subject: | Re: Starter Woes (long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
My 98 vintage Skytec is still working fine at 1000 hrs......must the
the high altitude :-)
Now that I've said that, I expect mine to fail next time I try to start
it.
Laird
SoCal
Do not archive
On Sep 2, 2004, at 8:54 AM, Gary Zilik wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
>
> Oh I forgot, mine was a 98 vintage. 75% of the O-360 powered RV's on
> our
> field of similar vintage have had similar contactor problems in the
> 400-500 hour range. Some earlier, some later. We surmise there may have
> been a batch of starters that may have be effective. Of course this is
> just in our little RV world. Mileage may vary
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Zilik wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
>>
>> I don't think the PM design is a downside to this starter. I wanted a
>> wound motor because it was explained to me that a wound motor takes
>> less
>> cranking amps than a PM. I figured less is good here. The PM design is
>> definitely lighter.
>>
>> SportAV8R@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>>>
>>> he explained there was a modification for the starter
>>>
>>> Gary- what vintage is your Sky-Tec? In what way might this
>>> difficulty relate to the fact that it is a PM design?
>>>
>>> Curious.
>>>
>>> -Bill B
>>> with a '98 vintage SkyTec and 420 trouble-free hours.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Liability when you sell an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I went to a seminar regarding this and what I got out of it was that you
would have to be found negligent in your building practices to have any
liability. Build it correctly and dont worry about.
Shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gert" <gert@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
>
> If I understand it correctly, part of the problem is when the
> 'acquiring' pilot perishes in the plane you have built.
>
> the 'estate' of the perished pilot can sue you regardless of all the
> agreements signed during sale. The 'estate' did not exsist at the time
> of sale but came into being when the pilot perished therefor the estate
> is not bound by the contract signed by the persihed pilot.
>
> Of course there will be legal folks correcting me here...
>
>
> Brian Denk wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Oh certainly. There are disclaimer forms, basically a hold harmless
release
> > that is commonly used. I think EAA has one and I have a copy stached
away
> > on my harddrive somewhere. It basically tries to completely separate
the
> > builder from any and all possible liability once the airplane changes
hands.
> > It's only a piece of paper though, and I'm sure it could be whittled
away
> > by a savvy shyster to next to nothing if pursued hard enough.
> >
> > I'll be dealing with this soon enough when I sell my RV8. Yikes.
> >
> > Brian Denk
> > RV8 N94BD
> > RV10 '51 tailcone/empennage rigging time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Stein and list...
The registration on our RV6a says "Hangar 10 LLC".
Jerry Cochran
Cliff Gerber
Time: 05:35:30 PM PST US
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Good Luck with the LLC....we'll need our Fed friends to jump in here, but
it's now my understanding that you actually have to have a "Single" person
apply and be named on the airworthiness certificate. As of early this year,
you can't even receive an airworthiness certificate with more than one
persons name on it.
How do I know?? I have an RV6 that I built 2 years ago with my friend and
we were both able to be listed as the mfgrs, et.al and the FAA was fine with
it.
Now, we built another RV6 and finished it this year. The FAA FSDO/MIDO
actually issued us an airworthiness certificate with both names on it, then
rescinded it a week later, making me get a new one with only ONE individuals
name on it.
I was told flatly that no more "partnerships" on the awc, but you can
register and fly it that way if you like. Just that an experimental MUST be
built by a single individual. This was not the case in years past. As the
owner of a small corporation, it's also my understanding that NO coproration
may "build" an experimental aircraft and receive an airworthiness
certificate for it. That being said, you can register it that way, but it
doesn't remove individual liability.
We're on a slippery slope here, and I believe the reason you can't have a
corporation manufacturing aircraft, is then you break the spirit of the
FAR's which require experimental aircraft to built for
educational....etc...purposes. Using a corporation would most likely
trigger the FAR23 rules and require a type certificate, etc..
There's already plenty of "rules" for us individual builders, and there are
a few "builders assistance" centers that are really pushing the envelope
here. Doesn't help that a new engine conversion company is advertising flat
out "Turn Key RV10's built to your spec's", and then they are dumb enough to
actually list the cost of the whole thing including their labor!!!!! I'm
not sure the FAA will be entirely happy about that.
Anyway, the fact is if you build it, there really is no concrete way to
fully and completely insulate yourself from the liability, short of removing
the airworthiness certificate and selling it as parts. The problem here is
that the next guy will have to try and get the thing re-certified......
I may be a little off on some of the above points, but then again it's just
my opinion.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
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| Subject: | Installing tires |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I just changed the subject line so an archive search will find this. (was
"More kit frustration")
----- Original Message -----
From: "linn walters" <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: More kit frustration!!
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Sam has some good advice. He left out a few items though. Use a lot of
> talc on the inside of the tire, on the tube, and on the rim. Rub it in
> good. Put the tube in the tire. Remove the valve stem. Use a blow gun
> to force some air into the tube and then let it excape. Do this a few
> times. Assemble the rims on the tire. You may have to squeeze the rims
> together with a large clamp to get the nuts started on the bolts.
> Carefully tighten all 3 bolts. Put the valve stem back in and inflate
> like Sam advised.
>
> Don't skip the talc. It'll keep the tube from folding over and creasing
> ..... which will be a leak if the tire loses pressure down the road. It
> also allows the tire/tube to shift a little during use. If you want to
> replace your tubes each time you replace the tire .... go ahead.
> Properly assembled with the talc you can get 6 or 7 tires for each
> tube. At least I do. I've never had a problem (yet) with old tubes.
> The tubes in my Pitts are original. They're now 23 years old, and I may
> replace the tubes next time I change the tires.
> Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Van's new RV-10 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Looks an awful lot like one of those plastic jobbies!!
do not archive
shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Van's new RV-10
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> Van's new RV-10
>
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/first_flight/220RV_lg.jpg
>
> Jerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Liability when you sell an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Actually, that isn't exactly true. Although, I agree that building it with parts
received from the kit manufacturer (and unaltered), according to their plans
is the very best thing you can do to protect yourself (and have an independant
person do an annual as the pre-buy inspection when you sell it). The statement
you reference from a seminar about negligence was wrong as negligence isn't
necessary for product liability to be determined.
Here is an excerpt from an article by an aviation attorney on product liability.
The link to the entire article is below as well. Notice how he includes the
seller along with the manufacturer (in this case I'd say assembler, although
Van has some strict liability as well as manufacturer of the kit and having engineered
the design).
<snip>
To successfully sue a pilot or operator, a victim must prove that they were negligent
and that their negligence was a cause of the crash. However, manufacturers
and sellers can be sued even if the injured person cannot prove negligence
by the manufacturer. In almost all states, a victim can hold a manufacturer or
seller "strictly liable" if the plaintiff's attorney can prove that a defect
in the product was a cause of his injuries. The plaintiff does not have to prove
negligence by the manufacturer.
<snip>
You can checkout the entire article here http://www.avweb.com/news/avlaw/181885-1.html but I'd recommend having a pillow nearby when reading this entire article.
There was a recent case against a manufacturer which was settled by them even though
there was not a defect. One of their first 150 planes was crashed in 2001
by the owner and a passenger was paralyzed. This aircraft had a parachute
system on it, which the owner elected not to use. He aimed for a cornfield after
his engine quit. He apparently was (rightfully) busy and nervous and tried
to 'land' on the tops of the corn, stalled high and came down pretty hard.
The FBO which had changed the oil, had failed to safety the drain plug back in.
The engine had emptied of oil, and seized. The FBO had very low limits of liability
and the owners policy did too. The manufacturers insurance company for
products liability held 3 mock trials and each had the same outcome - The manufacturer
had no liability, but seeing as this person who was paralyzed deserved
something they sided against the deep-pocketed manufacturer. So, there really
doesn't have to be a defect.
The real learning point (I guess) is to devoid yourself of assets. The attorneys
will go after whomever has the money. I have several insureds who have incorporated
a company to own the plane, etc and I've had others who own nothing
but the plane (only if you trust your wife a lot).
Please let me know (I trust you will) if you have any questions.
JT
P.S. The FAA looks the other way, but according to the FAR's either a person or
a company may own a plane. However, it disallows a company from owning a plane
if the business has no other purpose other than owning the plane. I have many
insureds who set up LLCs or Inc's to own the plane (both certified and homebuilt)
and the FAA never has said a word.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dowling
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I went to a seminar regarding this and what I got out of it was that you
would have to be found negligent in your building practices to have any
liability. Build it correctly and dont worry about.
Shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gert" <gert@execpc.com>
To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
>
> If I understand it correctly, part of the problem is when the
> 'acquiring' pilot perishes in the plane you have built.
>
> the 'estate' of the perished pilot can sue you regardless of all the
> agreements signed during sale. The 'estate' did not exsist at the time
> of sale but came into being when the pilot perished therefor the estate
> is not bound by the contract signed by the persihed pilot.
>
> Of course there will be legal folks correcting me here...
>
>
> Brian Denk wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Oh certainly. There are disclaimer forms, basically a hold harmless
release
> > that is commonly used. I think EAA has one and I have a copy stached
away
> > on my harddrive somewhere. It basically tries to completely separate
the
> > builder from any and all possible liability once the airplane changes
hands.
> > It's only a piece of paper though, and I'm sure it could be whittled
away
> > by a savvy shyster to next to nothing if pursued hard enough.
> >
> > I'll be dealing with this soon enough when I sell my RV8. Yikes.
> >
> > Brian Denk
> > RV8 N94BD
> > RV10 '51 tailcone/empennage rigging time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Evan and Megan Johnson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
>
>You have to run a wire between the plates.....so unless you plan on putting
>it outside the rear baffle I dont think this will work. The only way to do
>this right is to remove the rear baffle on the tank then reinstall a new one
>
>
That sounds like the hard way to me. Why can't you do it with the 2
access holes in the rear baffle. With those holes, and the main access
hole at the wing root, you should have very good access to mount stuff
in the tank and run wires where ever they need to go. What am I not
seeing here?
--
Chris W
Bring Back the HP 15C
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| Subject: | Re: Liability when you sell an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
You will still have to spend 15k to defend your self, and prove you built
it correctly.
At 12:37 PM 9/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
>I went to a seminar regarding this and what I got out of it was that you
>would have to be found negligent in your building practices to have any
>liability. Build it correctly and dont worry about.
>
>Shemp
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gert" <gert@execpc.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
> >
> > If I understand it correctly, part of the problem is when the
> > 'acquiring' pilot perishes in the plane you have built.
> >
> > the 'estate' of the perished pilot can sue you regardless of all the
> > agreements signed during sale. The 'estate' did not exsist at the time
> > of sale but came into being when the pilot perished therefor the estate
> > is not bound by the contract signed by the persihed pilot.
> >
> > Of course there will be legal folks correcting me here...
> >
> >
> > Brian Denk wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Oh certainly. There are disclaimer forms, basically a hold harmless
>release
> > > that is commonly used. I think EAA has one and I have a copy stached
>away
> > > on my harddrive somewhere. It basically tries to completely separate
>the
> > > builder from any and all possible liability once the airplane changes
>hands.
> > > It's only a piece of paper though, and I'm sure it could be whittled
>away
> > > by a savvy shyster to next to nothing if pursued hard enough.
> > >
> > > I'll be dealing with this soon enough when I sell my RV8. Yikes.
> > >
> > > Brian Denk
> > > RV8 N94BD
> > > RV10 '51 tailcone/empennage rigging time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
> >
> >
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Liability when you sell an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Monty Barrett" <bpa@bpaengines.com>
If it is anything like the engine business, you will have to PROVE you were
not negligent. Cost---about $50K per trip.
Monty Barrett
BPA engines
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dowling
Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I went to a seminar regarding this and what I got out of it was that you
would have to be found negligent in your building practices to have any
liability. Build it correctly and dont worry about.
Shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gert" <gert@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
>
> If I understand it correctly, part of the problem is when the
> 'acquiring' pilot perishes in the plane you have built.
>
> the 'estate' of the perished pilot can sue you regardless of all the
> agreements signed during sale. The 'estate' did not exsist at the time
> of sale but came into being when the pilot perished therefor the estate
> is not bound by the contract signed by the persihed pilot.
>
> Of course there will be legal folks correcting me here...
>
>
> Brian Denk wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Oh certainly. There are disclaimer forms, basically a hold harmless
release
> > that is commonly used. I think EAA has one and I have a copy stached
away
> > on my harddrive somewhere. It basically tries to completely separate
the
> > builder from any and all possible liability once the airplane changes
hands.
> > It's only a piece of paper though, and I'm sure it could be whittled
away
> > by a savvy shyster to next to nothing if pursued hard enough.
> >
> > I'll be dealing with this soon enough when I sell my RV8. Yikes.
> >
> > Brian Denk
> > RV8 N94BD
> > RV10 '51 tailcone/empennage rigging time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
>
>
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| Subject: | wire gage, length, amp chart |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Can you believe after at least 30 minutes of hunting a good chart on
this, I cant find one on-line or in the archives.
I'm looking for one similar to the one that comes with the plans, but
hopefully a little more detailed, or at least bigger.
It lists amps, wire gage, & wire lengths to give you a rough idea on
the appropriate wire to use.
Also a bolt torque spec table with sizes for AN bolts would also be nice
so I can print it and post it in the shop
Would prefer a web site. But you can send me something direct and Ill
put it up for others if it is good.
Do not archive the ? but remove for a good response.
Thanks
Mike Stewart
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Exactly....you can "Register" it as anything you want, including a
corporation, partnership, etc...
What does your airworthiness certificate and dataplate say as the mfgr??
If it says LLC then you win, if it doesn't, then you owe me a beer!
Cheers,
Stein.
Do Not Archive
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry2DT@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: LLC
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Stein and list...
The registration on our RV6a says "Hangar 10 LLC".
Jerry Cochran
Cliff Gerber
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| Subject: | Re: wire gage, length, amp chart |
--> RV-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com
<<It lists amps, wire gage, & wire lengths to give you a rough idea on the
appropriate wire to use.>>
Michael, try this;
_http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/wiresize.pdf_
(http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/wiresize.pdf)
Bob Trumpfheller
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone building an RV8 in Reno / Carson City? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
I too am interested in finding anyone building/flying RV's in the Carson
City area also. We are planning to come down soon and would like to learn
about the airport dynamics, hangars, EAA chapter, activities, etc. Would
actually like to hook up with somebody who can fill me in on some of it.
Thanks
Tim Bryan
RV-6 N616TB
Redmond, Oregon
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From: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Anyone building an RV8 in Reno / Carson City?
--> RV-List message posted by: "noel strong" <nstrong01@msn.com>
I have accepted a temporary assignment in the Carson City area and would
like to know if anyone is building an 8 in this area. Please reply offline.
Thanks,
Noel Strong
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| Subject: | Re: wire gage, length, amp chart |
--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
Mike,
Just Google AC43.13 Chapter 11 has the wire size and Chapter 7 has bolt torque.
Alan Kritzman
Cedar Rapids, IA
Can you believe after at least 30 minutes of hunting a good chart on
this, I cant find one on-line or in the archives.
I'm looking for one similar to the one that comes with the plans, but
hopefully a little more detailed, or at least bigger.
It lists amps, wire gage, & wire lengths to give you a rough idea on
the appropriate wire to use.
Also a bolt torque spec table with sizes for AN bolts would also be nice
so I can print it and post it in the shop
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| Subject: | Re: Van's new RV-10 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Hester" <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:05 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's new RV-10
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
> Looks an awful lot like one of those plastic jobbies!!
>
> do not archive
>
> shemp
>
The top half of it is :-)
-------
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
RV7A web site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite
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| Subject: | Re: Starter Woes (long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
I had a similar experience with a Skytec flyweight starter last month.
Mine failed in a similar manner as I was about to depart for the
whopping 75 mile trip from home to Oshkosh. It had about 80 hours since
new. I also talked to Skytec (as well as B&C and Lightspeed) at some
length at the convention, and I learned a lot about starters. The
flyweight does use a PM motor, which has the advantages of light weight
and low cost. The disadvantage is that it can draw a huge amount of
current during startup (600A or so) when under a heavy load, say, up
against the first compression stroke but can't quite get over it. I
frequently had trouble getting over the first stroke since day one with
my airplane. My wood prop with low inertia no doubt makes this worse.
Also I have the little 17A Panasonic RG battery.
What I learned was that a wound field motor (such as the B&C, the new
Skytec Hi-torque inline, or the older Skytec HT model) only draws around
200A peak, vs. 600. That little 17A battery wouldn't put out 600A if
you laid a crowbar across the terminals. This situation leads to
starting problems, as the starter doesn't have enough juice to get over
the first compression stroke, which MAY have contributed to kickbacks
which MAY have damaged the starter.
I also ended up buying a B&C, and it runs like a champ. It has no
trouble getting over the first compression stroke and spins the prop
very rapidly. In fairness, I suspect that the wound field version of
the Skytec starter would perform as well, but I was about fed up with
Skytec at the time.
My conclusion from all this: the flyweight may be an OK choice if you
have a large battery, and/or a metal or C/S prop. If you have the same
setup as me (wood prop, small battery) than the flyweight is not a good
choice and you should look at the wound field starters.
Anyone else have my setup and experience problems with the flyweight?
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wire gage, length, amp chart |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
This is close, but does not tell me if I can for example:
Can I do 22ga, 7amps, 5'?
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N67BT@aol.com
Subject: [[SPAM]] Re: RV-List: wire gage, length, amp chart
--> RV-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com
<<It lists amps, wire gage, & wire lengths to give you a rough idea on
the
appropriate wire to use.>>
Michael, try this;
_http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/wiresize.pdf_
(http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/wiresize.pdf)
Bob Trumpfheller
==
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==
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| Subject: | Ellison Throttle Body |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim & Bev Cone" <jimnbev@olypen.com>
I have an XP360 with an Ellison Throttle Body. In flight, when I pull the throttle
to idle, the engine pops and I suspect that the idle mixture is too rich.
Has anyone had this problem and if so how much did you have to adjust the idle
screw to fix it. Any advice would be appreciated.
Jim Cone
3-peat offender
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| Subject: | Liability when you sell an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Stein,
You are very close to being exactly on the button. The only thing I don't
agree with is the individual name on the a/w cert. It is very true that it
must be a person's name and not a company name but it can be a combination
name, such as Stein Burch and Mike Robertson can be a Burch Robertson. I
checked with the folks in OKC and they confirmed this.
And I will be dealing with the RV-10 builder!!
Mike Robertson
>From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
>Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:33:17 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>Good Luck with the LLC....we'll need our Fed friends to jump in here, but
>it's now my understanding that you actually have to have a "Single" person
>apply and be named on the airworthiness certificate. As of early this
>year,
>you can't even receive an airworthiness certificate with more than one
>persons name on it.
>
>How do I know?? I have an RV6 that I built 2 years ago with my friend and
>we were both able to be listed as the mfgrs, et.al and the FAA was fine
>with
>it.
>
>Now, we built another RV6 and finished it this year. The FAA FSDO/MIDO
>actually issued us an airworthiness certificate with both names on it, then
>rescinded it a week later, making me get a new one with only ONE
>individuals
>name on it.
>
>I was told flatly that no more "partnerships" on the awc, but you can
>register and fly it that way if you like. Just that an experimental MUST be
>built by a single individual. This was not the case in years past. As the
>owner of a small corporation, it's also my understanding that NO
>coproration
>may "build" an experimental aircraft and receive an airworthiness
>certificate for it. That being said, you can register it that way, but it
>doesn't remove individual liability.
>
>We're on a slippery slope here, and I believe the reason you can't have a
>corporation manufacturing aircraft, is then you break the spirit of the
>FAR's which require experimental aircraft to built for
>educational....etc...purposes. Using a corporation would most likely
>trigger the FAR23 rules and require a type certificate, etc..
>
>There's already plenty of "rules" for us individual builders, and there are
>a few "builders assistance" centers that are really pushing the envelope
>here. Doesn't help that a new engine conversion company is advertising
>flat
>out "Turn Key RV10's built to your spec's", and then they are dumb enough
>to
>actually list the cost of the whole thing including their labor!!!!! I'm
>not sure the FAA will be entirely happy about that.
>
>Anyway, the fact is if you build it, there really is no concrete way to
>fully and completely insulate yourself from the liability, short of
>removing
>the airworthiness certificate and selling it as parts. The problem here is
>that the next guy will have to try and get the thing re-certified......
>
>I may be a little off on some of the above points, but then again it's just
>my opinion.
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>RV6's, Minneapolis
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ed
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "ed " <ed_88@hotmail.com>
>
>
> So where does one go to find a lawyer who knows about this stuff? The
>idea of having an LLC build the plane sounds worth looking into.
>
>
> >From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
> >Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:17:32 -0400
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> >I'm not going to go any furthur into this discussion other than to say
>have
> >your legal advisor look into an exculpatory agreement. Helps a little.
>No
> >more said on my part.
> >
> >
> >Dana Overall
> >Richmond, KY i39
> >RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> >Finish kit
> >13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: wire gage, length, amp chart |
--> RV-List message posted by: jammeter@comcast.net
With a short calculation, given 22 gauge wire has a resistance of approx 16.2 ohms
per 1000 feet, you're drop about 0.56 volts in 5 feet of wire and dissipate
about 3.9 watts of energy in that wire.
Personnally, I'd increase the size of wire a bit... maybe to 18 gauge??
John
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
>
>
> This is close, but does not tell me if I can for example:
> Can I do 22ga, 7amps, 5'?
>
> Mike
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N67BT@aol.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [[SPAM]] Re: RV-List: wire gage, length, amp chart
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com
>
> <> the
> appropriate wire to use.>>
>
> Michael, try this;
>
> _http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/wiresize.pdf_
> (http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/wiresize.pdf)
>
> Bob Trumpfheller
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
>
>
>
>
With a short calculation, given 22 gauge wire has a resistance of approx 16.2 ohms
per 1000 feet, you're drop about 0.56 volts in 5 feet of wire and dissipate
about 3.9 watts of energy in that wire.
Personnally, I'd increase the size of wire a bit... maybe to 18 gauge??
John
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<MSTEWART@ISS.NET>
This is close, but does not tell me if I can for example:
Can I do 22ga, 7amps, 5'?
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N67BT@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: [[SPAM]] Re: RV-List: wire gage, length, amp chart
-- RV-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com
<IT
appropriate wire to use.
Michael, try this;
_http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/w
iresize.pdf_
(http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/wiresize.pdf)
Bob Trumpfheller
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| Subject: | Re: Liability when you sell an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
I would add the following:
If you set up a corp to own your plane and maybe other assets - Set it up in
Nevada where the state will not expose the owners to anyone. Additionally
you as the pilot will not likely be the target of a suit if you do not
personally own any assets. Let your nevada corp file a friendly lien
against your home for any equity you have. Nothing to get, no suit. Check
out the following two web sites.
http://www.bulletproofasset.com/nevada.htm
and
http://www.proadvocate.org/index.htm
Tim Bryan
RV-6 N616TB
Do Not Archive
-------Original Message-------
From: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Actually, that isn't exactly true. Although, I agree that building it with
parts received from the kit manufacturer (and unaltered), according to their
plans is the very best thing you can do to protect yourself (and have an
independant person do an annual as the pre-buy inspection when you sell it).
The statement you reference from a seminar about negligence was wrong as
negligence isn't necessary for product liability to be determined.
Here is an excerpt from an article by an aviation attorney on product
liability. The link to the entire article is below as well. Notice how he
includes the seller along with the manufacturer (in this case I'd say
assembler, although Van has some strict liability as well as manufacturer of
the kit and having engineered the design).
<snip>
To successfully sue a pilot or operator, a victim must prove that they were
negligent and that their negligence was a cause of the crash. However,
manufacturers and sellers can be sued even if the injured person cannot
prove negligence by the manufacturer. In almost all states, a victim can
hold a manufacturer or seller "strictly liable" if the plaintiff's attorney
can prove that a defect in the product was a cause of his injuries. The
plaintiff does not have to prove negligence by the manufacturer.
<snip>
You can checkout the entire article here http://www.avweb
com/news/avlaw/181885-1.html but I'd recommend having a pillow nearby when
reading this entire article.
There was a recent case against a manufacturer which was settled by them
even though there was not a defect. One of their first 150 planes was
crashed in 2001 by the owner and a passenger was paralyzed. This aircraft
had a parachute system on it, which the owner elected not to use. He aimed
for a cornfield after his engine quit. He apparently was (rightfully) busy
and nervous and tried to 'land' on the tops of the corn, stalled high and
came down pretty hard.
The FBO which had changed the oil, had failed to safety the drain plug back
in. The engine had emptied of oil, and seized. The FBO had very low limits
of liability and the owners policy did too. The manufacturers insurance
company for products liability held 3 mock trials and each had the same
outcome - The manufacturer had no liability, but seeing as this person who
was paralyzed deserved something they sided against the deep-pocketed
manufacturer. So, there really doesn't have to be a defect.
The real learning point (I guess) is to devoid yourself of assets. The
attorneys will go after whomever has the money. I have several insureds who
have incorporated a company to own the plane, etc and I've had others who
own nothing but the plane (only if you trust your wife a lot).
Please let me know (I trust you will) if you have any questions.
JT
P.S. The FAA looks the other way, but according to the FAR's either a person
or a company may own a plane. However, it disallows a company from owning a
plane if the business has no other purpose other than owning the plane. I
have many insureds who set up LLCs or Inc's to own the plane (both certified
and homebuilt) and the FAA never has said a word.
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| Subject: | Re: Van's new RV-10 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Bobby Hester wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Looks an awful lot like one of those plastic jobbies!!
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>shemp
>>
>>
>>
>
>The top half of it is :-)
>
>
The "top" is but it isn't anywhere near half. ;)
do not archive
--
Chris W
Bring Back the HP 15C
http://hp15c.org
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http://thewishzone.com
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| Subject: | Re: Ellison Throttle Body |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I just talked to my engine builder (last week) about the popping issue and
he suggested I check the idle mixture. Sure enough I got 90 RPM rise. Since
I am at sea level I should have little to no rise, right? With that said, I
have been told by the engine builder, Air Flow Performance, and Vetterman
Exhaust that some popping is normal with an injected engine.
In your case I wonder if the Ellison throttle body counts as an injected
engine?
At 12:55 PM 9/2/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim & Bev Cone" <jimnbev@olypen.com>
>
>I have an XP360 with an Ellison Throttle Body. In flight, when I pull the
>throttle to idle, the engine pops and I suspect that the idle mixture is
>too rich. Has anyone had this problem and if so how much did you have to
>adjust the idle screw to fix it. Any advice would be appreciated.
>
>Jim Cone
>3-peat offender
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: wire gage, length, amp chart |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Mike, my previous post was a bit off the mark - didn't really address your
question. Sorry.
I've attached an Apr 2002 e-mail from Bob re changes to Fig 8-3 & 8-4 re
"heating of wires" under a continuous load.
- He said 22 awg wire, single strand in free space, could carry 10 amps
and have a temp rise of 35 deg C (delta 63 deg F).
- So, yes, 22 awg is OK for your 7 amp load.
I added a 5' line to my "David's wire size & voltage drop" spreadsheet and
got 4% drop - OK on that score, too. (attached, again, updated)
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RE: [[SPAM]] Re: RV-List: wire gage, length, amp chart
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
> This is close, but does not tell me if I can for example:
> Can I do 22ga, 7amps, 5'?
>
> Mike
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Chris....The capacitance senders are wired together in series within the
tank. So it goes from a BNC connector on the inboard rib, to the plate in
the second bay then to the plate in the second to last bay. The standard way
to run the wire is to wrap it around the vent line tube and run it within
the tank. So you have to have access to all of the bays to do this. The
other problem is that the plates are mounted by screws through the 2nd and
second to last rib. So you have to have access to both sides of those ribs
just to mount the plates.....Thats a minimum of four bays right there, so
you might as well pull off the baffle.
Just my opinion :)
Evan (200+ sets of tanks so far)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris W" <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W
<1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
>
> Evan and Megan Johnson wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
<evmeg@snowcrest.net>
> >
> >You have to run a wire between the plates.....so unless you plan on
putting
> >it outside the rear baffle I dont think this will work. The only way to
do
> >this right is to remove the rear baffle on the tank then reinstall a new
one
> >
> >
>
> That sounds like the hard way to me. Why can't you do it with the 2
> access holes in the rear baffle. With those holes, and the main access
> hole at the wing root, you should have very good access to mount stuff
> in the tank and run wires where ever they need to go. What am I not
> seeing here?
>
> --
> Chris W
>
> Bring Back the HP 15C
> http://hp15c.org
>
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> http://thewishzone.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Chris W wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
>
>Evan and Megan Johnson wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
>>
>>You have to run a wire between the plates.....so unless you plan on putting
>>it outside the rear baffle I dont think this will work. The only way to do
>>this right is to remove the rear baffle on the tank then reinstall a new one
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>That sounds like the hard way to me. Why can't you do it with the 2
>access holes in the rear baffle. With those holes, and the main access
>hole at the wing root, you should have very good access to mount stuff
>in the tank and run wires where ever they need to go. What am I not
>seeing here?
>
>
>
Simplest is one of the coaxial (tubular) capacitive probes. If you trust
yourself to get all the drill shavings out, you can drill from the
bottom of the root rib up & out at an angle through the other ribs &
just slide it in. If you aren't in a hurry I'll try to find the link
tonight or tomorrow.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: wire gage, length, amp chart |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>
>Can you believe after at least 30 minutes of hunting a good chart on
>this, I cant find one on-line or in the archives.
>
>
I am afraid I don't have a chart for you but I do have a suggestion
along these lines. There are tons of charts like the wire chart and
torque chart you want that could come in handy for builders or just
people who like to tinker on things in the garage. I would like to
volunteer to be the editor for a nice PDF file with all the charts we
might want. I have already made a nice metric to inch to number sized
drill conversion chart here http://cdw.homelinux.com:8088/chart.pdf but
is people who know where to find these charts could submit them to me I
will put them into one nice reference. I have already found several
handy ones from the McMaster Carr web catalog that I could just copy and
put in. One thing I want to be sure of is that I have a reference for
where the data in all the charts that I put in came from, so it can be
verified and updated more easily.
Even if you don't have, or know where, a chart you would want in is, let
me know what it is, so those who know where the data is can let me
know. I know the Machinery Handbook and AC 43.13 have a lot of this
information but they both are missing some and I think a more condensed
reference would be welcomed by many here. If not feel free to ignore my
suggestion.
do not archive
--
Chris W
Bring Back the HP 15C
http://hp15c.org
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0.70 RCVD_BY_IP Received by mail server with no name
1.16 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header
--> RV-List message posted by: Tracy <tracyinva@gmail.com>
please take me off this list.I did not sign up for it
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| Subject: | Re: wire gauge, length, amp chart |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
Mike:
> Also a bolt torque spec table with sizes for AN bolts would also be nice
> so I can print it and post it in the shop
The Cleavland Tool catalog has a nice tear out chart with rivet sizes, bolt
torques, wire gauge/amperage, etc. Not sure if this is what you're looking
for, but I find it useful.
--
Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A wings
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Re: Liability when you sell an RV? |
From: "ed \240" <ed_88@hotmai...
--> RV-List message posted by: "ed " <ed_88@hotmail.com>
I don't really see how that is possible to build it "correctly" from a
lawyer's point of view. If nothing else as soon as you do something like use
a solid rivet where the plans call for a pop rivet, you are already ignoring
the plans. Not to mention there are so many choices around things like
engine / avionics / etc, they can always say you put in inferior parts.
While I will look into the LLC for improved protection, it sounds like
I should just be willing to take a big hit and sell for parts rather than a
complete plane. Personaly my plan is to never sell, so this shouldn't be an
issue. But I do know that plans can change.
Thanks everyone for your advice,
--Eddie
>From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
>Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:37:56 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
>I went to a seminar regarding this and what I got out of it was that you
>would have to be found negligent in your building practices to have any
>liability. Build it correctly and dont worry about.
>
>Shemp
>
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| Subject: | Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden <steve_slayden@yahoo.com>
How do you remove the rear baffle after you drill out the rivets? I assume it's
all pro-sealed together. Can you pull it apart or do you have to use some solvent
like MEK? As you might have guess I have not had the exciting opportunity
to use pro-seal yet :)
Evan and Megan Johnson <evmeg@snowcrest.net> wrote: --> RV-List message posted
by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
Chris....The capacitance senders are wired together in series within the
tank. So it goes from a BNC connector on the inboard rib, to the plate in
the second bay then to the plate in the second to last bay. The standard way
to run the wire is to wrap it around the vent line tube and run it within
the tank. So you have to have access to all of the bays to do this. The
other problem is that the plates are mounted by screws through the 2nd and
second to last rib. So you have to have access to both sides of those ribs
just to mount the plates.....Thats a minimum of four bays right there, so
you might as well pull off the baffle.
Just my opinion :)
Evan (200+ sets of tanks so far)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris W" <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W
<1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
>
> Evan and Megan Johnson wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
> >
> >You have to run a wire between the plates.....so unless you plan on
putting
> >it outside the rear baffle I dont think this will work. The only way to
do
> >this right is to remove the rear baffle on the tank then reinstall a new
one
> >
> >
>
> That sounds like the hard way to me. Why can't you do it with the 2
> access holes in the rear baffle. With those holes, and the main access
> hole at the wing root, you should have very good access to mount stuff
> in the tank and run wires where ever they need to go. What am I not
> seeing here?
>
> --
> Chris W
>
> Bring Back the HP 15C
> http://hp15c.org
>
> Not getting the gifts you want? The Wish Zone can help.
> http://thewishzone.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wire gage, length, amp chart |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Just one thing to add here - except it's not actually a chart. I have lot's
of them, but they are all in hard copy....
I've had more than one animated discussion with people about this subject.
DO NOT just peruse the internet for "ampacity charts" and use the first one
you find. Ampacity charts vary wildly depending on the type of wire you
use. For example, the tefzel wire we use for aircraft has a much higher
load capacity than pvc coated bare copper automotive wire. Likewise, there
are wires which carry a lot more current than our Tefzel wire. Ampacity is
not just a function of wire size / length, but also of wire construction,
both jacket and conductor. It's not universal.
Some people seem to think their chart for house wiring applies equally to
aircraft wire - NOT SO.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael
(ISS Atlanta)
Subject: RE: [[SPAM]] Re: RV-List: wire gage, length, amp chart
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
This is close, but does not tell me if I can for example:
Can I do 22ga, 7amps, 5'?
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N67BT@aol.com
Subject: [[SPAM]] Re: RV-List: wire gage, length, amp chart
--> RV-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com
<<It lists amps, wire gage, & wire lengths to give you a rough idea on
the
appropriate wire to use.>>
Michael, try this;
_http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/wiresize.pdf_
(http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/wiresize.pdf)
Bob Trumpfheller
==
==
==
==
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Thats ok....but what name is on the airworthiness certificate???
Mike Robertson
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>From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: LLC
>Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:42:19 EDT
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
>Stein and list...
>
>The registration on our RV6a says "Hangar 10 LLC".
>
>Jerry Cochran
>Cliff Gerber
>
>Time: 05:35:30 PM PST US
>From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>Good Luck with the LLC....we'll need our Fed friends to jump in here, but
>it's now my understanding that you actually have to have a "Single" person
>apply and be named on the airworthiness certificate. As of early this
>year,
>you can't even receive an airworthiness certificate with more than one
>persons name on it.
>
>How do I know?? I have an RV6 that I built 2 years ago with my friend
>and
>we were both able to be listed as the mfgrs, et.al and the FAA was fine
>with
>it.
>
>Now, we built another RV6 and finished it this year. The FAA FSDO/MIDO
>actually issued us an airworthiness certificate with both names on it,
>then
>rescinded it a week later, making me get a new one with only ONE
>individuals
>name on it.
>
>I was told flatly that no more "partnerships" on the awc, but you can
>register and fly it that way if you like. Just that an experimental MUST
>be
>built by a single individual. This was not the case in years past. As
>the
>owner of a small corporation, it's also my understanding that NO
>coproration
>may "build" an experimental aircraft and receive an airworthiness
>certificate for it. That being said, you can register it that way, but it
>doesn't remove individual liability.
>
>We're on a slippery slope here, and I believe the reason you can't have a
>corporation manufacturing aircraft, is then you break the spirit of the
>FAR's which require experimental aircraft to built for
>educational....etc...purposes. Using a corporation would most likely
>trigger the FAR23 rules and require a type certificate, etc..
>
>There's already plenty of "rules" for us individual builders, and there
>are
>a few "builders assistance" centers that are really pushing the envelope
>here. Doesn't help that a new engine conversion company is advertising
>flat
>out "Turn Key RV10's built to your spec's", and then they are dumb enough
>to
>actually list the cost of the whole thing including their labor!!!!! I'm
>not sure the FAA will be entirely happy about that.
>
>Anyway, the fact is if you build it, there really is no concrete way to
>fully and completely insulate yourself from the liability, short of
>removing
>the airworthiness certificate and selling it as parts. The problem here
>is
>that the next guy will have to try and get the thing re-certified......
>
>I may be a little off on some of the above points, but then again it's
>just
>my opinion.
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>RV6's, Minneapolis
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone building an RV8 in Reno / Carson City? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Daniels <jwdanie@comcast.net>
> I too am interested in finding anyone building/flying RV's in the
> Carson
> City area also.
Tim,
Point your browser to Dan's RV Finder - a most excellent utility:
http://www.rvproject.com/registry/rvfinder.jsp
Also, if you read this page from the Aerobatic Co in Reno, one of the
instructors is building an 8 with hopes to do transition training. I
called about some instruction and talked to both Tim and Tom - great
guys.
http://home.earthlink.net/~mattalex123/
Jim Daniels
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Homecoming |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 9/1/2004 11:30:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JusCash@aol.com writes:
What frequency will you be on?
=============================
122.75
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 710 hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: Liability when you sell an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Hi y'all,
I'm no lawyer either but I did do quite a bit of independent studying of
business law when running my own business. A few things I think I know:
Anybody can sue anybody for anything at any time. Find and retain
a good lawyer.
Most suits are settled out of court.
It can be difficult to find a lawyer to take on a silly case,
especially if you aren't paying cash up front.
Few attempt to sue those who have little to sue for. Keep your
own financial status very private and own little.
Don't do things that are illegal or sneaky.
Don't set up a corporation just to avoid liability - it is
possible to "pierce the corporate veil".
I had a customer , former friend, sue my little Honda shop corporation. He
crashed while racing his motorcycle and blamed us for not adjusting his
brakes properly. I asked him what he thought he was doing and he told me
that this starving lawyer called him and offered to take the case on (what
is the word? percentage of proceeds?) . My insurer offered my very sharp
attorney any possible help. A kid who hung around the shop helped by
swearing that he saw the plaintiff adjust his own brakes at the race. ( A
likely story - not). Had me pretty uptight but after my attorney called
the other a nitwit, they dropped the case. I think he also promised a
monster counter suit.
You can counter sue the other guy for your costs - real or imagined.
I have met several people who have sold their aircraft without a contract -
I think this is very stupid.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Liability when you sell an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
Frankly I think this is not a big deal unless...you have a huge net worth.
Lawyers only want to go after things with big deep pockets - namely
insurance companies that will settle instead of risk a jury trial where its
poor little ole Leroy against the big bad Drug Company that just made him
take 152 of those god awlful diet pills. That's were Geraldine and her 11
cousins in Mississippi just decide to right the terrible wrong and award
something like a Billion dollar judgement.
In the case of selling an RV there ain't no insurance company to sue. And,
unless you have a multi-seven figure net worth I doubt the risk of a big
suit is anything much to worry about. You ain't Cessna that has big
liability insurance policies....
Of course you can be sued, may be sued, etc. But I doubt it and I can
almost guarantee you would not lose. No trial lawyer is going to risk a
contingecy fee lawsuit on a case so flimsy....
Just my opinion....
----- Original Message -----
From: "ed " <ed_88@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "ed " <ed_88@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I don't really see how that is possible to build it "correctly" from
a
> lawyer's point of view. If nothing else as soon as you do something like
use
> a solid rivet where the plans call for a pop rivet, you are already
ignoring
> the plans. Not to mention there are so many choices around things like
> engine / avionics / etc, they can always say you put in inferior parts.
>
> While I will look into the LLC for improved protection, it sounds
like
> I should just be willing to take a big hit and sell for parts rather than
a
> complete plane. Personaly my plan is to never sell, so this shouldn't be
an
> issue. But I do know that plans can change.
>
> Thanks everyone for your advice,
> --Eddie
>
>
> >From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
> >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:37:56 -0500
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
<shempdowling@earthlink.net>
> >
> >I went to a seminar regarding this and what I got out of it was that you
> >would have to be found negligent in your building practices to have any
> >liability. Build it correctly and dont worry about.
> >
> >Shemp
> >
>
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>
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| Subject: | Liability when you sell an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
This whole thread has been very informative and caused me to do some
checking on related issues such as life insurance. What I found is that
both my company and personal life insurance policies specifically
exclude injury/death as a result of an accident as either pilot or
passenger in a general aviation aircraft. Gives one pause for thought!!
When you consider that this activity is statistically safer than driving
a car (especially here in Utah) it make you wonder. Can you get specific
coverage for this as a separate policy?
Dave Figgins RV-7A empennage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan"
--> <rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
I would add the following:
If you set up a corp to own your plane and maybe other assets - Set it
up in Nevada where the state will not expose the owners to anyone.
Additionally you as the pilot will not likely be the target of a suit if
you do not personally own any assets. Let your nevada corp file a
friendly lien against your home for any equity you have. Nothing to
get, no suit. Check out the following two web sites.
http://www.bulletproofasset.com/nevada.htm
and
http://www.proadvocate.org/index.htm
Tim Bryan
RV-6 N616TB
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From: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Actually, that isn't exactly true. Although, I agree that building it
with parts received from the kit manufacturer (and unaltered), according
to their plans is the very best thing you can do to protect yourself
(and have an independant person do an annual as the pre-buy inspection
when you sell it).
The statement you reference from a seminar about negligence was wrong
as negligence isn't necessary for product liability to be determined.
Here is an excerpt from an article by an aviation attorney on product
liability. The link to the entire article is below as well. Notice how
he includes the seller along with the manufacturer (in this case I'd say
assembler, although Van has some strict liability as well as
manufacturer of the kit and having engineered the design).
<snip>
To successfully sue a pilot or operator, a victim must prove that they
were negligent and that their negligence was a cause of the crash.
However, manufacturers and sellers can be sued even if the injured
person cannot prove negligence by the manufacturer. In almost all
states, a victim can hold a manufacturer or seller "strictly liable" if
the plaintiff's attorney can prove that a defect in the product was a
cause of his injuries. The plaintiff does not have to prove negligence
by the manufacturer.
<snip>
You can checkout the entire article here http://www.avweb
com/news/avlaw/181885-1.html but I'd recommend having a pillow nearby
when reading this entire article.
There was a recent case against a manufacturer which was settled by them
even though there was not a defect. One of their first 150 planes was
crashed in 2001 by the owner and a passenger was paralyzed. This
aircraft had a parachute system on it, which the owner elected not to
use. He aimed for a cornfield after his engine quit. He apparently was
(rightfully) busy and nervous and tried to 'land' on the tops of the
corn, stalled high and came down pretty hard.
The FBO which had changed the oil, had failed to safety the drain plug
back in. The engine had emptied of oil, and seized. The FBO had very
low limits of liability and the owners policy did too. The
manufacturers insurance company for products liability held 3 mock
trials and each had the same outcome - The manufacturer had no
liability, but seeing as this person who was paralyzed deserved
something they sided against the deep-pocketed manufacturer. So, there
really doesn't have to be a defect.
The real learning point (I guess) is to devoid yourself of assets. The
attorneys will go after whomever has the money. I have several insureds
who have incorporated a company to own the plane, etc and I've had
others who own nothing but the plane (only if you trust your wife a
lot).
Please let me know (I trust you will) if you have any questions.
JT
P.S. The FAA looks the other way, but according to the FAR's either a
person or a company may own a plane. However, it disallows a company
from owning a plane if the business has no other purpose other than
owning the plane. I have many insureds who set up LLCs or Inc's to own
the plane (both certified and homebuilt) and the FAA never has said a
word.
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| Subject: | Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Huffaker <bifft@xmission.com>
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Steve Slayden wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden <steve_slayden@yahoo.com>
>
> How do you remove the rear baffle after you drill out the rivets? I
>assume it's all pro-sealed together. Can you pull it apart or do you have
>to use some solvent like MEK? As you might have guess I have not had the
>exciting opportunity to use pro-seal yet :)
I had to replace a baffle after the tank wouldn't fit back on the wing
(built some twist into the tank when riviting). Used a heat gun to soften
the proseal, then a putty knive to cut/pry the baffle free from the
ribs/skin.
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com)
RV-8A 80091 drilling gear mounts.
1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
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| Subject: | Chairborne vs the List Police -- not very RV related, delete |
at will
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard McCraw" <rmccraw@wcvt.com>
Mostly I lurk on this list (partly because I've been "beginning" my project
longer than it takes a lot of people to finish theirs, and it's
embarrassing), but I'll interject this one comment.
I've been watching the debate over off-topic posts and signal-to-noise ratio
with much interest, and have pretty much been on the fence up 'til now.
However, the chairborne thread really brought one aspect of this argument
into clear focus. In addition to RV building, I now see that this list has
much to do with friendships, often among people who've met one another
seldom or never. I am moved by the response to Austin's original post, with
all the expressions of support for someone now in the position we'll all
reach someday, barring sooner tragedy. Chuck Rowbotham's controversial
CONGRATULATION posts, welcoming new members into the fraternity (sorority?
whatever) of RV pilots, are made in the same spirit of friendship.
Perhaps if we simply added "friendship" to "RV-building" as a purpose of
this list, the signal-to-noise ratio would look a lot better. And I,
especially in this hard-edged and sometimes dangerous world, will not
complain about friendships.
Chuck, if I ever finish this thing, feel free to congratulate me - if you're
still on the list in fifty years.
Rick McCraw
RV-7, ~0.00000001% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Liability when you sell an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David" <davewendi@comcast.net>
> I went to a seminar regarding this and what I got out of it was that you
> would have to be found negligent in your building practices to have any
> liability. Build it correctly and dont worry about.
>
> Shemp
With all due respect, tell that to Parker Hannifan.
David Kirby
RV-A QB
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Ammeter <jammeter@comcast.net>
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:59:39 -0600 (MDT), you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Huffaker <bifft@xmission.com>
>
>On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Steve Slayden wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden <steve_slayden@yahoo.com>
>>
>> How do you remove the rear baffle after you drill out the rivets? I
>>assume it's all pro-sealed together. Can you pull it apart or do you have
>>to use some solvent like MEK? As you might have guess I have not had the
>>exciting opportunity to use pro-seal yet :)
>
> I had to replace a baffle after the tank wouldn't fit back on the wing
>(built some twist into the tank when riviting). Used a heat gun to soften
>the proseal, then a putty knive to cut/pry the baffle free from the
>ribs/skin.
>
>
> Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com)
> RV-8A 80091 drilling gear mounts.
> 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
Rather than removing the baffle wouldn't it be simpler and
easier to just cut large access holes in the baffle itself?
Center the holes in each bay, make the holes large enough to
work through and pop rivet (using those same rivets you used
to attach the baffle to the ribs earlier) a patch on each
hole. Or, if you think you may ever need access again to
the tank, use screws instead of rivets...
One real good reason to avoid removing the baffle is that
you may not rivet the baffle back in the same position and
now the tank won't fit your wing...
John Ammeter
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| Subject: | Bifocal Contact Lens |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil" <phatphill@comcast.net>
I wear then when I fly and I'm going to stop because the FAA is not up to
speed on the technology.
I just hope the sky cops don't pull me over and check my vision.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hull, Don
Subject: RV-List: Bifocal Contact Lens
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
I know this is an old thread and considered non-RV related by some on the
list, but if anyone out there is flying with bifocal contact lenses as I was
for a few years...don't. The FAA doesn't approve contact lens for near
vision correction, and that includes the common practice of using one
contact lens for near vision and one for far vision, called "monovision."
However, LASIK surgery correcting one eye for near vision and the other for
far vision is permitted after a waiting period of something like 6 months.
My AME who was a NASA flight surgeon was not aware of the recent re-wording
of the rules until I pointed them out to him.
I will say here that I got very good advice from both EAA and AOPA
physicians who are very knowledgeable. I wear bifocal contacts daily, but
when I go flying I wear single vision contact lens for distant vision and
have reading glasses handy for near vision. (Some military pilots do the
same.)
Also, I should mention I met at Airventure 2002 Dr. Van Nakagawara who is a
Research Optometrist with the FAA in Oklahoma City. He also is very
knowledgeable and helpful.
If you're interested in more details, contact me off-list.
Don Hull
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| Subject: | Liability when you sell an RV? |
09/02/2004 04:46:08 PM,
Serialize complete at 09/02/2004 04:46:08 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com
My personal life insurance had an exclusion for GA as well, I inquired
about getting a rider on the policy to drop the exclusion, they came back
a couple of weeks later and gave me the rider, for no additional cost! I
think my agent pointed out to them that I wouldn't get the policy with the
exclusion in place.
Scott
<dfiggins@es.com>
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
09/02/2004 03:55 PM
Please respond to rv-list
To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: RE: RV-List: Liability when you sell an RV?
--> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
This whole thread has been very informative and caused me to do some
checking on related issues such as life insurance. What I found is that
both my company and personal life insurance policies specifically
exclude injury/death as a result of an accident as either pilot or
passenger in a general aviation aircraft. Gives one pause for thought!!
When you consider that this activity is statistically safer than driving
a car (especially here in Utah) it make you wonder. Can you get specific
coverage for this as a separate policy?
Dave Figgins RV-7A empennage
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone building an RV8 in Reno / Carson City? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <rv6flyer@improvementteam.com>
oh that's funny. I just posted that same message for someone else. What a
great tool Dan created for us.
The hope I had however was to hook up with someone who might be at the
airport or I could contact when I am there.
Regards
Tim Bryan
-------Original Message-------
From: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Anyone building an RV8 in Reno / Carson City?
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Daniels <jwdanie@comcast.net>
> I too am interested in finding anyone building/flying RV's in the
> Carson
> City area also.
Tim,
Point your browser to Dan's RV Finder - a most excellent utility:
http://www.rvproject.com/registry/rvfinder.jsp
Also, if you read this page from the Aerobatic Co in Reno, one of the
instructors is building an 8 with hopes to do transition training. I
called about some instruction and talked to both Tim and Tom - great
guys.
http://home.earthlink.net/~mattalex123/
Jim Daniels
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| Subject: | The Chairborne Division |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Dear Austin,
You always have seat with us, albeit a long trip to Connecticut.
Thanks for all your encouagring prose - as I've said before - they really
helped !
I'm glad you're staying with the List and agree with Jerry S.
Keep the faith.
Chuck Rowbotham
>From: "Austin" <austin@uniserve.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: "rv-list rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: The Chairborne Division
>Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:35:06 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <austin@uniserve.com>
>
>Warning !!! Offensive content....delete now..
>also, do not archive
>
> The following is not a flying
>story.....rather, it is a NON flying story.
>I no longer own, nor see, nor will I ever see, the only beautiful thing I
>have ever created....my Candy Apple and White RV6A.
>This came about for no one single reason, but instead, for a number of
>reasons which, at my age, became inevitable.
> I have been chairborne for only 2 months and I cannot stand to
>look at all the tools and old drawings and know that I will likely not take
>them up again, but I do need to fly, and have been looking at ways to
>resolve that .
>
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | LASAR installation question |
--> RV-List message posted by: PeterHunt1@aol.com
A little help would be appreciated from those of you who have wired your the
LASAR ignition. Are shielded wires necessary on the left and right magneto
"P" leads? I brought my LASAR unshielded magneto P leads (blue and green) from
the LASAR control box, in through my firewall and to my left magneto and right
magneto switches. At shutdown these switches are closed to ground. When the
engine is running these switches are open.
The LASAR instructions talk about a shielded wire from the standard (all in
one) switch to the magneto P leads but give no help in how long this shielded
wire should be nor how the shield should be grounded. I asked technical
support at Unison (makers of LASAR) about shielded magneto P lead wires, but got
a
"We don't know" answer. I also asked on the Aeroelectric List and did an
archive search with no success. Perhaps some of you who have LASAR systems will
help me understand if the LASAR magneto P leads from the control box need
replacement with shielded wires, or if I can use them unshielded through switches
to
ground as I currently have them wired.
Thanks.
Pete Hunt
Clearwater, FL
RV-6, Finishing wiring.
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| Subject: | Re: LASAR installation question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> A little help would be appreciated from those of you who have wired your
the
> LASAR ignition. Are shielded wires necessary on the left and right
magneto
> "P" leads? I brought my LASAR unshielded magneto P leads (blue and green)
from
> the LASAR control box, in through my firewall and to my left magneto and
right
> magneto switches. At shutdown these switches are closed to ground. When
the
> engine is running these switches are open.
Shielded wires not required. Technically those aren't P-leads.
> The LASAR instructions talk about a shielded wire from the standard (all
in
> one) switch to the magneto P leads but give no help in how long this
shielded
> wire should be nor how the shield should be grounded. I asked technical
> support at Unison (makers of LASAR) about shielded magneto P lead wires,
but got a
> "We don't know" answer.
Support from LASAR was first rate when Harry Fenton was there, but I
understand he's left the company. Still, I've talked to other knowledgable
people there before, you might have hit them at a bad time. I wired the blue
and green wires directly to my Gerdes key/switch as you describe with no
shielding... worked perfectly, and it's been awhile, but IIRC that's what
the manual specified.
Randy Lervold
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| Subject: | Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I can't believe your are going to this trouble. The advantages of the cap.
senders are not worth cutting open a perfectly good tank, IMO. Your tanks
are done! Leave 'em be! Fly sooner!
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8 slow build, with cap tanks...big deal....
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ammeter [mailto:jammeter@comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:22 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: John Ammeter <jammeter@comcast.net>
>
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:59:39 -0600 (MDT), you wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Huffaker <bifft@xmission.com>
> >
> >On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Steve Slayden wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden
> >> --> <steve_slayden@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> How do you remove the rear baffle after you drill out the
> rivets? I
> >>assume it's all pro-sealed together. Can you pull it apart
> or do you
> >>have to use some solvent like MEK? As you might have guess
> I have not
> >>had the exciting opportunity to use pro-seal yet :)
> >
> > I had to replace a baffle after the tank wouldn't fit back on the
> >wing (built some twist into the tank when riviting). Used a
> heat gun
> >to soften the proseal, then a putty knive to cut/pry the baffle free
> >from the ribs/skin.
> >
> >
> > Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com)
> > RV-8A 80091 drilling gear mounts.
> > 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
>
> Rather than removing the baffle wouldn't it be simpler and
> easier to just cut large access holes in the baffle itself?
> Center the holes in each bay, make the holes large enough to
> work through and pop rivet (using those same rivets you used
> to attach the baffle to the ribs earlier) a patch on each
> hole. Or, if you think you may ever need access again to the
> tank, use screws instead of rivets...
>
> One real good reason to avoid removing the baffle is that you
> may not rivet the baffle back in the same position and now
> the tank won't fit your wing...
>
> John Ammeter
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| Subject: | Re: 0.70 RCVD_BY_IP Received by mail server |
with no name 1.16 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header
--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.matronics.com/subscription
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy" <tracyinva@gmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: 0.70 RCVD_BY_IP Received by mail server with no name 1.16
MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tracy <tracyinva@gmail.com>
>
> please take me off this list.I did not sign up for it
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
I will preface by reminding you that I think you should use the standard
senders in this case. BUT, its your plane, if you want to take it apart, use
a putty knife that you sharpen on a grinder to cut through the sealant. Dont
use a heat gun if you have ever filled up your tank with fuel (boom) its not
worth the risk. I have removed at least a dozen rear baffles like this and
it works (mostly).....feel free to call me if you wish.
Evan Johnson
(530)351-1776
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Huffaker" <bifft@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Capacitance fuel senders in QB wings
> --> RV-List message posted by: Brian Huffaker <bifft@xmission.com>
>
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Steve Slayden wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden <steve_slayden@yahoo.com>
> >
> > How do you remove the rear baffle after you drill out the rivets? I
> >assume it's all pro-sealed together. Can you pull it apart or do you have
> >to use some solvent like MEK? As you might have guess I have not had the
> >exciting opportunity to use pro-seal yet :)
>
> I had to replace a baffle after the tank wouldn't fit back on the wing
> (built some twist into the tank when riviting). Used a heat gun to soften
> the proseal, then a putty knive to cut/pry the baffle free from the
> ribs/skin.
>
>
> Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com)
> RV-8A 80091 drilling gear mounts.
> 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
>
>
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