---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/16/04: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:09 AM - Re: to polyfuse.... or not (RV_8 Pilot) 2. 03:50 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Fairings (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 3. 04:27 AM - Re: WTB RV -6/6A or-7/7A (eregensburg) 4. 04:44 AM - spraylat removal (PGLong@aol.com) 5. 05:21 AM - Specks in fuel! (Steve Glasgow) 6. 05:22 AM - Re: DYNON D10A & ENCODER PROTOCOL (Ken Simmons) 7. 06:38 AM - alternators (Shirley Harding) 8. 07:02 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List: King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question (DonEavesRV6) 9. 10:12 AM - air compressors (Donald Mei) 10. 10:40 AM - Rudder Cable Fairings (Scott Diffenbaugh) 11. 10:50 AM - 2 questions (Chuck) 12. 11:27 AM - Re: High fuel pressure (Chris Good) 13. 11:31 AM - Re: air compressors (steve zicree) 14. 12:38 PM - RAC info needed (Charlie Kuss) 15. 01:57 PM - Re: 2 questions (Doug Weiler) 16. 02:14 PM - Good source for West System epoxy or equiv. (Mickey Coggins) 17. 02:49 PM - Re: enabling approaches on UPSAT GX50 (Ken Beene) 18. 03:01 PM - Re: RAC info needed (Jordan Grant) 19. 03:32 PM - Re: Good source for West System epoxy or equiv. (Rick Galati) 20. 04:19 PM - Re: Good source for West System epoxy or equiv. (J. R. Dial) 21. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Good source for West System epoxy or equiv. (cgalley) 22. 06:48 PM - Re: 2 questions (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 23. 07:23 PM - Re: Specks in fuel! (Dave Bristol) 24. 08:11 PM - Re: Specks in fuel! on zoot.lafn.org (LarryRobertHelming) 25. 08:44 PM - Re: Specks in fuel! on zoot.lafn.org (steve zicree) 26. 09:31 PM - Re: Specks in fuel! (N67BT@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:15 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: Re: RV-List: to polyfuse.... or not --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" or, they were CBS amps and not real... >Maybe they are Kerry amps and it depends which day you use them! > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne > > > > > Dave, these might be BUSH amps, where some of them never even show up. >;-) do not archive do not archive do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Rudder Cable Fairings From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Hey all, Son Wesley, 14 years old, made 2 last night for me from the Sam directions. Took about 1 hour. 1/2 hour to add the fractions to determine the width required. 1/2 hour to make. Mike Stewart Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Subject: RE: RV-List: Rudder Cable Fairings --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Are you Definately Sure?? Because as far as I could tell, Orndorff sells a set of 3 for $10.75+s/h, but none to be found on Avery's site or Clevelands site? Also, has everyone just completely ignored Sam B. & Dan C's posts about making them yourself?? They really only take a few minutes to whip out and are really simple to make (plus you'll never have to worry about a "spare"). Save yourself $15.00 and make a few out of scrap..... Just my 2 cents (and a few others as well). Cheers, Stein -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder Cable Fairings --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" It is definately Avery were I got mine and they were reasonable to buy. Comes with three, two for the rudder cables and a third as a spare or for the trim cable exit. Tim Bryan RV-6 N616TB -------Original Message------- From: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder Cable Fairings --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" I bought some and they were definitely from either Cleavland Tools or Avery Tools. Steve Zicree ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Rudder Cable Fairings > --> RV-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com > > I saw an ad recently for some alumunum fairings that install over the rudder > cables where they exit the fuselage. Now I can't remember where I saw them. > Can someone help me over a senior moment? > Carroll Jernigan > East TN > 7A Fuselage > > do not archive > > > > == == == == ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:44 AM PST US From: eregensburg Subject: Re: RV-List: WTB RV -6/6A or-7/7A --> RV-List message posted by: eregensburg I just listed my 6A on Trade a plane eregensburg@triad.rr.com >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT) C P wrote. >--> RV-List message posted by: C P > >Hi, > >A friend of mine is having bad luck finding an RV for sale. An >ex-military pilot, he likes the acrobatic feel with side-by-side >seating of the -6 and -7 models. He doesn't care which end the >third wheel is attached. He prefers IFR equipped. Please send me >particulars and contact info! > >cheers, >Chuck Packard >YankeeRV10@yahoo.com > > > >_______________________________ >Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >http://vote.yahoo.com > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:43 AM PST US From: PGLong@aol.com Subject: RV-List: spraylat removal --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com I also had trouble removing Spraylat from my canopy. A high pressure washer worked for me very well. I used a 2200 PSI washer and it blasted the Spraylat of easily. In about 10-15 minutes it sparkled with no damage from the pressure washer. Pat Long PGLong@aol.com N120PL RV4 Bay City, Michigan 3CM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:45 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: RV-List: Specks in fuel! --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" About 6 months ago specks in the fuel started to show up. During preflight when the aircraft had set for some time, when I drain fuel from under the wing I find some brown or blackish specks floating in the fuel. It takes about 6 ounces of draining to clear up the specks. I don't think it is from the fuel truck. Has anyone experienced something similar? Could it be the tanks sealer is dissolving? I have a QB RV8, 10 months since first flight with 140 hours total. Thanks, Steve Glasgow ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:09 AM PST US From: "Ken Simmons" Subject: Re: RV-List: DYNON D10A & ENCODER PROTOCOL --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" Bruno, You need to set the GTX 327 to receive the Icarus format. I haven't installed mine yet, but I have verified this in a bench test. The microEncoder from RMI calls it the Northstar format and Transcal calls it the Trimble/Garmin format. Nothing like standards to make all of this easier. Ken ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bruno >--> RV-List message posted by: Bruno > >Hello All > Are there any listers who have installed a Dynon D10A lately >and used the serial encoder for a Garmin GTX 327? > > Which protocol did you used and was it worth it. I presently >have an Ameriking AK-350 blind encoder connected to my GTX 327 and it's >working fine. So I'm wondering if there are any advantages in using this >feature? > >Also is there anyone with a web site with pictures of the Dynon's >installation? As you know a picture is worth a 1000 words.... > >Thanks a lot for your imputs. > >Bruno Dionne >C-GDBH RV-4 >rv4@videotron.ca > >P.S# You may reply OFF list if you wish. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:28 AM PST US From: "Shirley Harding" Subject: RV-List: alternators --> RV-List message posted by: "Shirley Harding" Hi all -- any photos or advice on an alternator set-up for an RV6. I've got the Vans brackets and a Bosch alternator but it seems to hit the lower cowl. Cheers Shirley RV6 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:48 AM PST US From: "DonEavesRV6" Subject: RV-List: Re: AeroElectric-List: King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question --> RV-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6" Thanks James - For your responce - After wateing for a responce I went to my local Avionics shop - He provided me with the needed infomation - The GS is on the left and the Nav/Loc is on the right looking from the front. - Don Eaves RV6 Flying again soon ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Redmon" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James Redmon" > > Don, I have one of these units in my bird. I can look when I'm out at the > hangar tonight. > > do not archive > > James Redmon > Berkut #013 N97TX > http://www.berkut13.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DonEavesRV6" > To: ; > Subject: AeroElectric-List: King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question > > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6" > > > > > King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question: > > > > I'm installing a King KN53 Nav in my flying RV6 and I need to know which > coax connectors (J531 and J533) is Glide Slop and which Localizer? > > > > Thanks in advance - > > > > Don Eaves RV6 Flying > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:09 AM PST US From: "Donald Mei" Subject: RV-List: air compressors --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" I second the suggestion for the Belt Drive unit. The direct drive oil lubed compressors are (nearly?) as loud as the oil less. Belt drive gives a quiet putt, putt, putt, putt vs RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Don do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:29 AM PST US From: "Scott Diffenbaugh" Subject: RV-List: Rudder Cable Fairings --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Diffenbaugh" I decided not to make my own and ordered a set from Avery (p/n10728 pg 74 in catalog $9.00/pr). They are absolute junk. The only item I purchased from Avery that was not top notch. I will return them some day. I just received a beautiful set from Karen at Aviation Products, in Ojai, CA (ph 805-646-6042) p/n 5387 @$8.95/pr. She shipped them overnight and said to send a check when received. Amazing service! Just trim to size, drill, dimple, and rivet. No epoxe filler required on these. Scott Diffenbaugh diff@foothill.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:01 AM PST US From: Chuck Subject: RV-List: 2 questions --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck Hi Guys & Gals, Two questions. First is fairly simple; does anyone have or know where I can get a pair of Van's "Old Style" top, aluminum wing root fairings? Second is more complex; I've had an "interesting" short in my wiring for about 6 months. Everything is Fine in positive "G's" but when I get negative (anything at or exceeding -1 "G" ) my Amp meter pegs out to the + side and my KLX-135A re-sets. This is only momentarily; meaning it goes back to normal in a second or two whether I release the negative "G" loads or not. Now I've of course pulled everything apart, checked connections, re-placed the Amp meter, and bundled any wires that could possibly touch anything. I'm wondering if it could be something inside the alternator (Honda type from "Auto-Zone"). Any thoughts or "clues" would be greatly appreciated. This ones causing me to gain mo' grey hairs. Thanks, Chuck --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:42 AM PST US From: "Chris Good" Subject: Re: RV-List: High fuel pressure --> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Good" Doug, Thanks for the suggestion. If the oil separator appears to be clear, I'll check out the sensor connection. If I still get high pressure readings I'll replace the sensor. Regards, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: High fuel pressure --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" Chris. I had trouble with my Rocky sensor, reading high oil pressure, also a VDO and it turned out it was a bad connection. The Rocky reads higher pressure as lower resistance, ie an open reads top of scale. I assume yours is the same. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Good" Subject: RV-List: High fuel pressure > --> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Good" > > Listers, > > My EIS-4000 has started complaining about high fuel pressure recently. This is on an O-360-A1A with a carb & the standard low pressure engine driven fuel pump. In normal cruise, I get a fuel pressure reading somewhere between 2 & 5 psi, which is fine. The problem occurs intermittently when taxiing, & recently in the air when throttling back for a descent. The pressure climbs to 10-12 psi. > > Looking back a couple of years at my engine monitor logs, the pressure never used to exceed 6-7 psi. All the above readings are without the electric boost pump. > > In looking at the archives & other internet sources I found two suggestions: > > 1. The VDO pressure sensor is only good for 2-300 hrs. But this doesn't seem like a sensor problem as my cruise readings are normal. > > 2. The fuel pump pressure regulator is vented to the crankcase & high fuel pressure can be a symptom of breather blockage. This seems possible as I have a home-made oil separator on the breather. Maybe this is blocked & the engine is breathing through the whistle slot! I plan to check this in the next couple of days. > > Has anyone experienced this? Any other suggestions? > > Regards, > > Chris Good, > West Bend, WI > RV-6A, 775 hrs > -- > > -- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:58 AM PST US From: "steve zicree" Subject: Re: RV-List: air compressors --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" I don't think I could describe the sound of my belt drive as "quiet" and keep a straight face, but it is much better than direct drive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Mei" Subject: RV-List: air compressors > --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" > > I second the suggestion for the Belt Drive unit. The direct drive oil lubed > compressors are (nearly?) as loud as the oil less. > > Belt drive gives a quiet putt, putt, putt, putt > > vs RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR > > Don > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:48 PM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: RV-List: RAC info needed --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Listers, Has anyone out there purchased and installed a Ray Allen Stick grip? I'm waiting for mine. I'd like to draw up the schematic while I wait. Could you please tell me the color codes of the wires on the servos? I also would like the color codes on the wire that they include with the grip kit. I called Ray Allen last week. He couldn't definitively tell me what the color coding was on the wires. Thanks Charlie Kuss ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:29 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: 2 questions --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" Chuck: I have 2 aluminum RV-4 wing root fairings left over from my project. Never touched. Contact me off list. Doug Weiler Hudson, WI dcw@nomadwi.com > > Two questions. First is fairly simple; does anyone have or know where I > can get a pair of Van's "Old Style" top, aluminum wing root fairings? > > Second is more complex; I've had an "interesting" short in my wiring for > about 6 months. Everything is Fine in positive "G's" but when I get > negative (anything at or exceeding -1 "G" ) my Amp meter pegs out to the + > side and my KLX-135A re-sets. This is only momentarily; meaning it goes > back to normal in a second or two whether I release the negative "G" loads > or not. > > Now I've of course pulled everything apart, checked connections, re-placed > the Amp meter, and bundled any wires that could possibly touch anything. > I'm wondering if it could be something inside the alternator (Honda type > from "Auto-Zone"). > > Any thoughts or "clues" would be greatly appreciated. This ones causing > me to gain mo' grey hairs. Thanks, > > Chuck > > > --------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:47 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: RV-List: Good source for West System epoxy or equiv. --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins I'd like to buy some West System epoxy or something "just as good", and I'm looking for a good source. Spruce looks ok, but they won't ship it international since they claim it is "hazardous". I don't really know why it is considered hazardous. I can buy it "locally", but its about 2.5x the US price, and I can't really stomach that kind of markup. Thanks for any pointers! -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:07 PM PST US From: "Ken Beene" Subject: RE: RV-List: enabling approaches on UPSAT GX50 --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Beene" Jeff, It has been a while but I didn't have any trouble enabling approach on by GX-60. It must be connected to other devices for the approach function to be enabled. The following is from the install manual. I can send the PDF to you if you like. For TSO-C129a A1 (non-precision approach) operation the following connections are also required: . external lamp annunciators including "APPRCH" and "ACTIVE" . an "OBS/HLD" external annunciator (with switch) . altitude input from an altitude encoder/converter or air data computer Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dowling > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:24 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: enabling approaches on UPSAT GX50 > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > > I spoke with the Garmin folks about my gx50 today because I couldnt get > approaches enabled. I was told the faa must first certify the install, > then the instller can make the switch. Has anyone done this? I dont > have the install manual with me now? > > Shemp > 6a > Chicago/Louisville > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:55 PM PST US From: "Jordan Grant" Subject: RE: RV-List: RAC info needed --> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" If I recall, my grips came with a bunch of 24 AWG white wire. I had to do some soldering and stuff myself. No color code - all white. Jordan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie Kuss Subject: RV-List: RAC info needed --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Listers, Has anyone out there purchased and installed a Ray Allen Stick grip? I'm waiting for mine. I'd like to draw up the schematic while I wait. Could you please tell me the color codes of the wires on the servos? I also would like the color codes on the wire that they include with the grip kit. I called Ray Allen last week. He couldn't definitively tell me what the color coding was on the wires. Thanks Charlie Kuss ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:23 PM PST US From: Rick Galati Subject: RV-List: Re: Good source for West System epoxy or equiv. --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati Micky, Try West Marine, that's where I bought all of my West system epoxy supplies. Cannot comment as to international shipping policy though. http://www.westmarine.com/ Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing" I'd like to buy some West System epoxy or something "just as good", and I'm looking for a good source. Spruce looks ok, but they won't ship it international since they claim it is "hazardous". I don't really know why it is considered hazardous. I can buy it "locally", but its about 2.5x the US price, and I can't really stomach that kind of markup. Thanks for any pointers! -- Mickey Coggins ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:04 PM PST US From: "J. R. Dial" Subject: RE: RV-List: Good source for West System epoxy or equiv. --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" I get mine direct from West. www.westsystem.com Lots of good information on their web site too. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins Subject: RV-List: Good source for West System epoxy or equiv. --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins I'd like to buy some West System epoxy or something "just as good", and I'm looking for a good source. Spruce looks ok, but they won't ship it international since they claim it is "hazardous". I don't really know why it is considered hazardous. I can buy it "locally", but its about 2.5x the US price, and I can't really stomach that kind of markup. Thanks for any pointers! -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage == == == == ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:43 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Good source for West System epoxy or equiv. --> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" Might try Wicks. I bought mine from them without a hazard fee but then it was a US shipment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Galati" Subject: RV-List: Re: Good source for West System epoxy or equiv. > --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati > > Micky, > > Try West Marine, that's where I bought all of my West system epoxy supplies. Cannot comment as to international shipping policy though. > > http://www.westmarine.com/ > > Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing" > > > I'd like to buy some West System epoxy or something > "just as good", and I'm looking for a good source. > > Spruce looks ok, but they won't ship it international > since they claim it is "hazardous". I don't really > know why it is considered hazardous. > > I can buy it "locally", but its about 2.5x the US price, > and I can't really stomach that kind of markup. > > Thanks for any pointers! > > > -- > Mickey Coggins > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:51 PM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: 2 questions --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Chuck, To the + side means the alternator is running away -- overcharging. Turn off the alternator field breaker and try it. If that fixes it, it has to be in the regulator or field circuit. If not??????? It certainly could be in the alternator, or anywhere, I guess, until you find it! Dan Hopper Automotive electrical engineer, ret. N766DH (Flying about 43 hours now.) In a message dated 9/16/04 12:50:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time, chuck515tigger@yahoo.com writes: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck > > Hi Guys &Gals, > > Two questions. First is fairly simple; does anyone have or know where I can > get a pair of Van's "Old Style" top, aluminum wing root fairings? > > Second is more complex; I've had an "interesting" short in my wiring for > about 6 months. Everything is Fine in positive "G's" but when I get negative > (anything at or exceeding -1 "G" ) my Amp meter pegs out to the + side and my > KLX-135A re-sets. This is only momentarily; meaning it goes back to normal > in a second or two whether I release the negative "G" loads or not. > > Now I've of course pulled everything apart, checked connections, re-placed > the Amp meter, and bundled any wires that could possibly touch anything. I'm > wondering if it could be something inside the alternator (Honda type from > "Auto-Zone"). > > Any thoughts or "clues" would be greatly appreciated. This ones causing me > to gain mo' grey hairs. Thanks, > > Chuck > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:09 PM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: Specks in fuel! on zoot.lafn.org --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol My -6 has been doing this on the right tank since it was new (2000). It's never been a problem and none has made it to the filter but it is kind of annoying, wondering what it is. It almost has to be sealer since it's there any time I sump the tank. Maybe I should save some and analyze it. Are you seeing it in both tanks? Dave Bristol RV6 SO Cal Steve Glasgow wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" > >About 6 months ago specks in the fuel started to show up. > >During preflight when the aircraft had set for some time, when I drain fuel >from under the wing I find some brown or blackish specks floating in the >fuel. It takes about 6 ounces of draining to clear up the specks. I don't >think it is from the fuel truck. > >Has anyone experienced something similar? Could it be the tanks sealer is >dissolving? > >I have a QB RV8, 10 months since first flight with 140 hours total. > >Thanks, >Steve Glasgow > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:04 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Specks in fuel! on zoot.lafn.org --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Dave: I am not flaming -- Just curious and interested. Your plane has been flying for 4 years and has been doing this since day one. You are seeing bits of stuff but don't really know -- I guess you might be suggesting it is proseal ? Just wondering, did you build your own tanks or where they built by someone else? If you built them, was anything at all introduced into the tank other than proseal? Is it possible that the tanks were open to invasion by outsiders such as mud dobbers or spiders that might of planted some materials inside the tanks prior to them being sealed close? Anything other than fuel ever put into the tank that you know of? You say none of the bits made it to the filter. Let me ask, Do you have a fuel filter or the Vans gascolator? If its the gascolator, when you drain a bit from the gascolator do you have the electric fuel pump turned on? Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Bristol" Subject: Re: RV-List: Specks in fuel! on zoot.lafn.org > --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol > > My -6 has been doing this on the right tank since it was new (2000). > It's never been a problem and none has made it to the filter but it is > kind of annoying, wondering what it is. It almost has to be sealer since > it's there any time I sump the tank. Maybe I should save some and > analyze it. > > Are you seeing it in both tanks? > > Dave Bristol RV6 SO Cal > > Steve Glasgow wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" > > > >About 6 months ago specks in the fuel started to show up. > > > >During preflight when the aircraft had set for some time, when I drain fuel > >from under the wing I find some brown or blackish specks floating in the > >fuel. It takes about 6 ounces of draining to clear up the specks. I don't > >think it is from the fuel truck. > > > >Has anyone experienced something similar? Could it be the tanks sealer is > >dissolving? > > > >I have a QB RV8, 10 months since first flight with 140 hours total. > > > >Thanks, > >Steve Glasgow > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:31 PM PST US From: "steve zicree" Subject: Re: RV-List: Specks in fuel! on zoot.lafn.org --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" This might be a lame idea, but do the bits float or sink in fuel? I don't know whether little crumbs of proseal would float or sink, but the fuel sender gasket is cork. It could also be something from the sending unit itself. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Bristol" Subject: Re: RV-List: Specks in fuel! on zoot.lafn.org > --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol > > My -6 has been doing this on the right tank since it was new (2000). > It's never been a problem and none has made it to the filter but it is > kind of annoying, wondering what it is. It almost has to be sealer since > it's there any time I sump the tank. Maybe I should save some and > analyze it. > > Are you seeing it in both tanks? > > Dave Bristol RV6 SO Cal > > Steve Glasgow wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" > > > >About 6 months ago specks in the fuel started to show up. > > > >During preflight when the aircraft had set for some time, when I drain fuel > >from under the wing I find some brown or blackish specks floating in the > >fuel. It takes about 6 ounces of draining to clear up the specks. I don't > >think it is from the fuel truck. > > > >Has anyone experienced something similar? Could it be the tanks sealer is > >dissolving? > > > >I have a QB RV8, 10 months since first flight with 140 hours total. > > > >Thanks, > >Steve Glasgow > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:09 PM PST US From: N67BT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Specks in fuel! --> RV-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com This may not be relevant to your situation but I had a similar problem after I bought my Grumman back in '93. Dark specks kept showing up throughout the next year. Inspections of the aux pump and carb filters (no gascolator on a T-Cat) revealed nothing. Then, a wing drain became clogged. I removed it (under proper supervision of course) and observed a wad of sticky crud in the drain valve --- bug stuff. Same on the other side to a lesser degree. I replaced the drains after tapping them and now have screws installed when parked --- no problems since. Bob Trumpfheller FWF 7A simple project update page at: http://users.aol.com/n67bt <>