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1. 12:10 AM - INS 422 (Wheeler North)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: C Frame dimpler (Steve Waltner)
3. 11:55 AM - FAILED MAIN LANDING GEAR RV-8 (WFACT01@aol.com)
4. 12:25 PM - Lower empennage fairings (Mickey Coggins)
5. 01:11 PM - Re: Specks in fuel! (Dean Pichon)
6. 05:11 PM - Re: Lower empennage fairings (richard dudley)
7. 05:13 PM - RV-8 empennage, wings and tools for sale - Milton, Ontario Canada (Are Barstad)
8. 06:25 PM - Re: RV-8 empennage, wings and tools for sale - Milton, Ontario (Gert)
9. 07:31 PM - how to fix interior paint snafus (RV8ter@aol.com)
10. 08:13 PM - Re: how to fix interior paint snafus (steve zicree)
11. 10:00 PM - Re: RV-8 empennage, wings and tools for sale - Milton, Ontario Canada (R. Craig Chipley)
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"'owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com '"@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
This unit has about 500 hours in my airplane with the bob archer vor wingtip
antennas. Not quite the range of the GNS430 but works OK.
Only two features I don't like is some issues with bright sunlight, and the
lack of an OBS spin wheel with headings is somewhat challenging for
oreintation on a hold entry if you are very visual in your thinking process.
As a second to the Garmin though its very nice because it will give a
digital radial value for the cross fix.
W
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| Subject: | Re: C Frame dimpler |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Waltner <swaltner@mac.com>
I highly suggest a dimpling table. I had the same trouble with dimpling
my empennage kit. It was even a little frustrating with two people
working on the dimpling. One of our local builders had a dimpling table
which helps align the piece of metal with the dimple die. Basically,
the table has a carpeted surface that sits about 1/4" below the dimple
die. With this arrangement, it's much easier to manage than without
such a contraption. By using this, I was able to easily dimple all the
parts from the wing kit. The picture at
http://homepage.mac.com/swaltner/DimpleTable.jpg is taken partially
through dimpling one of the leading edge skins.
Cleveland Aircraft Tool http://www.clevelandtool.com/ sells a kit to
build one of these for $48. All the wood pieces are pre-cut to size.
The table doesn't need to be fancy, but it does make the large skins
much easier to manage.
Steve
On Sep 17, 2004, at 5:25 PM, dfiggins@es.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: <dfiggins@es.com>
>
> After reading some reviews on the web for the lever action C-frame
> dimpler (cool but expensive) has anyone ever modified a regular C-frame
> dimpler to add a lever to the top to operate the plunger or better yet
> designed a clamp that would allow the plunger to be operated by the
> yoke
> of a pneumatic squeezer. I am planning the QB route so do not have
> large
> dimpling requirements but have not liked the hammer routine so far on
> the HS for single person application.
>
> Dave Figgins RV-7A Empennage Do not archive
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| Subject: | FAILED MAIN LANDING GEAR RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
We just removed two bent landing gears from my recently completed RV-8. No,
it was not a hard landing. It was because I was sent a pair of unhardened gear
legs as part of my original kit. I don't know how many others are out there
like this, but this is one of the earlier kits, serial #80013. The C-hardness
test on the bent gear was 11. It was supposed to be C-42 to 44. If it doesn't
look right on your airplane, it probably isn't. The good part is we caught it
before we had any damage. The bad part is it could have wiped out the whole
airplane. New gears have been installed and it is ready to go again. Performance
is unbelievable. Regards, Tom.
Tom Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01@aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 540 LYC (Just Flew, Look Out!)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
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| Subject: | Lower empennage fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
I'm looking at the lower empennage fairings, and
can't quite figure out how the rubber seal goes
on. Is the rubber seal different for the root
wing fairings and the empennage fairings? I have
only one type. The picture in the plans look like
a "fillet" type rubber seal. Any hints appreciated!
Thanks,
Mickey
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Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <DeanPichon@msn.com>
I periodically find the same "stuff" in fuel drained from either wing
tank. After I first found the material you describe, I captured the
particulate in a filter made of cloth. I looked at it under a
magnifying lens and crushed it between my fingers. I believe it is
mineral (not metal or sealant) and is most likely from bugs. It appears
to occur only in the drain and is not actually in the fuel tank. For
unrelated reasons, I have drained my tanks several times and have filter
the fuel in both directions (draining and replacing) and never found any
foreign material. I have an AFP filter that is always pristine when I
check it at annual. Don't worry about your ProSeal - it has a long and
distinguished career in many areas of aerospace.
Dean
RV-4
225 hours
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Glasgow
Subject: RV-List: Specks in fuel!
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
About 6 months ago specks in the fuel started to show up.
During preflight when the aircraft had set for some time, when I drain
fuel from under the wing I find some brown or blackish specks floating
in the fuel. It takes about 6 ounces of draining to clear up the
specks. I don't think it is from the fuel truck.
Has anyone experienced something similar? Could it be the tanks sealer
is dissolving?
I have a QB RV8, 10 months since first flight with 140 hours total.
Thanks,
Steve Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Lower empennage fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: richard dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Hi Mickey,
On the RV-6/A, the seal/gasket for the lower side of the HS is the same
shape as the wing fairing seal (it is the same cross-section). The
"slot" fits over the aluminum sheet fairing and the "blade" fits against
the lower side of the HS with the blade slightly bent against the HS.
Hope this helps.
Richard Dudley
-6A painted and about ready to move to the airport
Mickey Coggins wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>I'm looking at the lower empennage fairings, and
>can't quite figure out how the rubber seal goes
>on. Is the rubber seal different for the root
>wing fairings and the empennage fairings? I have
>only one type. The picture in the plans look like
>a "fillet" type rubber seal. Any hints appreciated!
>
>Thanks,
>Mickey
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-8 empennage, wings and tools for sale - Milton, Ontario Canada |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Are Barstad" <are_barstad@norlogic.com>
All,
I have been offered and have accepted a position in Norway where I will be
working as head of IT for a large oil exploration company. This is a great
opportunity and too good to pass up. They want me over there pronto and so I
will start the job already on October 18th.
My tools will not work there since everything is 220/50hz. It is also very
tough to get a moving company to take the wings and empennage.
Wings are 80% complete but not covered yet. One of the wings have one side
covered. One fuel tank (w/capacitive senders) is done and leak tested. The
other tank is ready for sealing. Landing lights have been fitted in the
leading edge. Empennage is inspected and closed. I have the inspection
papers. Ailerons needs to be built. Flaps needs to be built.
The wings comes in a cradle.
I also have a TSO'd altimeter w/light, VSI w/light and compass w/light. I
have a heated pitot/static tube from Gretch Aero.
Tools:
13" drill press - 250-3100 rpm - $90cdn
5 hp/20g Air compressor - $300cdn
Band saw (small - $40 takes it)
bench grinder with scotchbrite wheel - $25cdn
bench belt sander - $25cdn
Plus: I have absolutely everything else including torque wrench - pneumatic
squeezer, drill press, rivet gun, 37.5 deg. flare tool, compressor etc. I
have several bucking bars (all you need) and all rivet sets you need.
All aircraft specific tools are mostly Avery but some from Cleaveland
Everything must be sold and picked up by October 12 so it will no doubt be a
steal for whoever buys it.
You can e-mail me at are_barstad@manulife.com or call me at 416-460-5141
(cell).
I can sell parts (i.e. tools separately) but all aircraft parts must go as
one lot.
Wings and empennage will go for US$2900 (~$3750 cdn)
I do not have the ability or time to ship items unless it's a larger tool
collection.
Are Barstad
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 empennage, wings and tools for sale - Milton, Ontario |
Canada
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Are
your stuff will work, as a former world traveler having spend
considerable time in Scandinavia all you need is a good transformer.
50 hz vs. 60 hz, is not really a problem for about all your electric
tools. Just get a transformer. I have quite a few 50 hz tools from
europe hooked up to either a transformer or plugged into the 240 outlet
over here. I used transformers over in Japan to go from 100 to 220.
About the only problem I ever had was when I moved from america to japan
and did not buy a transformer for my TV. Japan is 100v and my TV
appeared to work but died after about 10 months. problems with the
flyback system I was told.
Are Barstad wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Are Barstad" <are_barstad@norlogic.com>
>
> All,
>
> I have been offered and have accepted a position in Norway where I will be
> working as head of IT for a large oil exploration company. This is a great
> opportunity and too good to pass up. They want me over there pronto and so I
> will start the job already on October 18th.
>
> My tools will not work there since everything is 220/50hz. It is also very
> tough to get a moving company to take the wings and empennage.
>
> Wings are 80% complete but not covered yet. One of the wings have one side
> covered. One fuel tank (w/capacitive senders) is done and leak tested. The
> other tank is ready for sealing. Landing lights have been fitted in the
> leading edge. Empennage is inspected and closed. I have the inspection
> papers. Ailerons needs to be built. Flaps needs to be built.
>
> The wings comes in a cradle.
>
> I also have a TSO'd altimeter w/light, VSI w/light and compass w/light. I
> have a heated pitot/static tube from Gretch Aero.
>
> Tools:
>
> 13" drill press - 250-3100 rpm - $90cdn
> 5 hp/20g Air compressor - $300cdn
> Band saw (small - $40 takes it)
> bench grinder with scotchbrite wheel - $25cdn
> bench belt sander - $25cdn
>
> Plus: I have absolutely everything else including torque wrench - pneumatic
> squeezer, drill press, rivet gun, 37.5 deg. flare tool, compressor etc. I
> have several bucking bars (all you need) and all rivet sets you need.
>
> All aircraft specific tools are mostly Avery but some from Cleaveland
>
> Everything must be sold and picked up by October 12 so it will no doubt be a
> steal for whoever buys it.
>
> You can e-mail me at are_barstad@manulife.com or call me at 416-460-5141
> (cell).
>
> I can sell parts (i.e. tools separately) but all aircraft parts must go as
> one lot.
>
> Wings and empennage will go for US$2900 (~$3750 cdn)
>
> I do not have the ability or time to ship items unless it's a larger tool
> collection.
>
> Are Barstad
> ---
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | how to fix interior paint snafus |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
I'm using Sherwins Williams Dimension 5.0 urethane enamel.
Their web site suggests HVLP pressure should be 8 - 10 psi.
But my HVLP sprayer specifically says 43psi so I went that route. Seeemed to
be fine on the pieces parts but when I did fuse interior things went to hell.
Despite the multiple cleanings, and tach clothing some areas picked up dust
and debris and a couple of spots got fiber from my clothes. There's one
vertical area that has a run to boot.
Is the best way to get these out to wait 24 hours then sand it down to
primer/bare metal then start over?
The tech paper work doesn't say but can I sand the whole interior with 1500
and repaint with a different gun to get a more consistent finish?
Regretting painting....
unLucky
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: how to fix interior paint snafus |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
When the tech sheet says 8-10 psi, they mean at the air cap. Unfortunately
most guns don't have a gauge to tell you what the aircap pressure is. The
inlet pressure is usually much greater. For example I usually run my gun
with an inlet pressure of about 20 psi. The best way to figure all this is
to get something to shoot test patterns on. I usually use a piece of
cardboard. Adjust the pressure upward until the spray pattern is wide, well
defined and doesn't produce a lot of big particles around the edges. If you
go too high, the pattern will be real blurry around the edges and produce a
ton of overspray. Those numbers on the tech sheet or gun don't really mean
much if they don't give a good spray pattern.
As far as fixing what you've got, I'd probably sand it well and re-shoot.
You don't need to go as fine as 1500 though. Anything about 500 or finer is
ok under paint. The other fix would be to wet sand with maybe 1200 and then
compound and polish, but this seems like a huge pain on an interior.
Feeling your pain,
Steve Zicree
----- Original Message -----
From: <RV8ter@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: how to fix interior paint snafus
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
> I'm using Sherwins Williams Dimension 5.0 urethane enamel.
>
> Their web site suggests HVLP pressure should be 8 - 10 psi.
>
> But my HVLP sprayer specifically says 43psi so I went that route. Seeemed
to
> be fine on the pieces parts but when I did fuse interior things went to
hell.
> Despite the multiple cleanings, and tach clothing some areas picked up
dust
> and debris and a couple of spots got fiber from my clothes. There's one
> vertical area that has a run to boot.
>
> Is the best way to get these out to wait 24 hours then sand it down to
> primer/bare metal then start over?
>
> The tech paper work doesn't say but can I sand the whole interior with
1500
> and repaint with a different gun to get a more consistent finish?
>
> Regretting painting....
> unLucky
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 empennage, wings and tools for sale - Milton, Ontario |
Canada
--> RV-List message posted by: "R. Craig Chipley" <mechtech81@yahoo.com>
Are,
Any Offers yet? I am VERY interested and have money.
Please call Sunday if possible Cell 636 578-1229
Craig Chipley. Thanks!!
--- Are Barstad <are_barstad@norlogic.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Are Barstad"
> <are_barstad@norlogic.com>
>
> All,
>
> I have been offered and have accepted a position in
> Norway where I will be
> working as head of IT for a large oil exploration
> company. This is a great
> opportunity and too good to pass up. They want me
> over there pronto and so I
> will start the job already on October 18th.
>
> My tools will not work there since everything is
> 220/50hz. It is also very
> tough to get a moving company to take the wings and
> empennage.
>
> Wings are 80% complete but not covered yet. One of
> the wings have one side
> covered. One fuel tank (w/capacitive senders) is
> done and leak tested. The
> other tank is ready for sealing. Landing lights have
> been fitted in the
> leading edge. Empennage is inspected and closed. I
> have the inspection
> papers. Ailerons needs to be built. Flaps needs to
> be built.
>
> The wings comes in a cradle.
>
> I also have a TSO'd altimeter w/light, VSI w/light
> and compass w/light. I
> have a heated pitot/static tube from Gretch Aero.
>
> Tools:
>
> 13" drill press - 250-3100 rpm - $90cdn
> 5 hp/20g Air compressor - $300cdn
> Band saw (small - $40 takes it)
> bench grinder with scotchbrite wheel - $25cdn
> bench belt sander - $25cdn
>
> Plus: I have absolutely everything else including
> torque wrench - pneumatic
> squeezer, drill press, rivet gun, 37.5 deg. flare
> tool, compressor etc. I
> have several bucking bars (all you need) and all
> rivet sets you need.
>
> All aircraft specific tools are mostly Avery but
> some from Cleaveland
>
> Everything must be sold and picked up by October 12
> so it will no doubt be a
> steal for whoever buys it.
>
> You can e-mail me at are_barstad@manulife.com or
> call me at 416-460-5141
> (cell).
>
> I can sell parts (i.e. tools separately) but all
> aircraft parts must go as
> one lot.
>
> Wings and empennage will go for US$2900 (~$3750 cdn)
>
> I do not have the ability or time to ship items
> unless it's a larger tool
> collection.
>
> Are Barstad
> ---
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>
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