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1. 05:49 AM - Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners (DonEavesRV6)
2. 06:56 AM - Anyone have a unassembled RV6 Rudder for sale? (DonEavesRV6)
3. 07:29 AM - Re: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners (David Figgins)
4. 07:43 AM - Re: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners (Jeff Orear)
5. 08:07 AM - Re: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of (Kevin Horton)
6. 08:24 AM - Re: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners (Randy Lervold)
7. 08:24 AM - Flap useage for short field takeoff (Frank Cuba)
8. 08:40 AM - Re: Flap useage for short field takeoff (Kyle Boatright)
9. 09:20 AM - Re: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of (Hal / Carol Kempthorne)
10. 09:49 AM - Re: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of (Kevin Horton)
11. 10:57 AM - Rudder Oil Canning Question - was Cracks @ Last Rivet (GMC)
12. 12:33 PM - List: fuel injection (Glen Matejcek)
13. 04:12 PM - RV8 Wing Kit For Sale (Alan Ferguson)
14. 05:37 PM - Re: Flap useage for short field takeoff (Nels Hanson)
15. 06:09 PM - Re: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners (DonEavesRV6)
16. 06:10 PM - EAA Chapter 898 FLY IN Sat Oct 2,2004 @ MJX (Five0Gulf@aol.com)
17. 06:20 PM - Re: RV8 Wing Kit For Sale (David Fenstermacher)
18. 06:30 PM - KLX-135A (mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com)
19. 07:13 PM - Re: KLX-135A (Stein Bruch)
20. 07:43 PM - Re: EAA Chapter 898 FLY IN Sat Oct 2,2004 @ MJX (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
21. 08:00 PM - Re: EAA Chapter 898 FLY IN Sat Oct 2,2004 @ MJX (James E. Clark)
22. 08:05 PM - Re: EAA Chapter 898 FLY IN Sat Oct 2,2004 @ MJX (Jerry Hansen)
23. 08:41 PM - Re: KLX-135A (Denis Walsh)
24. 09:22 PM - Re: (Chris & Kellie Hand)
25. 10:21 PM - Boelube, How to use? (Warren Hurd)
26. 10:47 PM - Re: Boelube, How to use? (BrownTool@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6" <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
I Discovered cracks on my RV6 Rudder running from the last rivet on the forward
end of the stiffeners behind the spar -
Did not have any cracks on the trailing edge which is in Vans instructions to add
a gob of tank / pro-seal -
Searched the archives and found 38+- post under Rudder Cracks -
Many were about forward cracks -
Most fixed the problem by stop drilling the cracks -
Noted the RV10 rudder attaches the forward end of stiffeners to the spar -
I discovered 1 crack on an RV4 @ my airport -
I suspect if we did a fleet inspection we would find more aircraft with cracks
in the rudder and elevator at either end of the stiffeners -
I use slips to landing and attribute my cracks to that and engine run-up shaking
-
Anyway this is a point needing structural improvement in future rudders and noted
Vans attached the forward end of the stiffeners on the 10.
I plan to build a new rudder - I will attach the stiffeners to the spar -
Don Eaves
RV6 Flown 235 +- Hrs - Currently installing: Garman 155XL GPS, KN53 Nav and Autopilot.
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| Subject: | Anyone have a unassembled RV6 Rudder for sale? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6" <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
Need to build or replace my rudder -
Doe's anyone have a pre punched RV6 rudder or complete tail kit for sale?
I'm looking for a rudder kit un-assembled or the skin has not been installed -
If you have a unfinished pre-punched RV6 rudder or tail kit please email me off
list @ doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
Do Not Archive
Don Eaves
RV6 Flying
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| Subject: | Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Figgins" <2004nospam@earthlink.net>
As I am just in the process of doing the rudder for my -7A (and just cut
the stiffeners to length yesterday :( ) is there anything I should do to
help prevent the same situation such as putting proseal around the front to
dampen vibration?
Dave Figgins empennage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DonEavesRV6
Subject: RV-List: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners
--> RV-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6"
--> <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
I Discovered cracks on my RV6 Rudder running from the last rivet on the
forward end of the stiffeners behind the spar - Did not have any cracks on
the trailing edge which is in Vans instructions to add a gob of tank /
pro-seal -
Searched the archives and found 38+- post under Rudder Cracks - Many were
about forward cracks - Most fixed the problem by stop drilling the cracks -
Noted the RV10 rudder attaches the forward end of stiffeners to the spar -
I discovered 1 crack on an RV4 @ my airport - I suspect if we did a fleet
inspection we would find more aircraft with cracks in the rudder and
elevator at either end of the stiffeners -
I use slips to landing and attribute my cracks to that and engine run-up
shaking - Anyway this is a point needing structural improvement in future
rudders and noted Vans attached the forward end of the stiffeners on the 10.
I plan to build a new rudder - I will attach the stiffeners to the spar -
Don Eaves
RV6 Flown 235 +- Hrs - Currently installing: Garman 155XL GPS, KN53 Nav and
Autopilot.
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Dave:
I'll chime in here with one suggestion. From what I have gathered from
previous discussions on the topic, one factor that contributes to these
cracks is preloading the skin.
If you do not pre-bend the skin sides at their forward edge so that they
overlap each other without needing to force them into position, you will put
too much stress on the area where the stiffeners end. The skin tends to try
to bow out just past the rudder spar if you need to hold the skins together
with a lot of force to form the leading edge. Just watch that area as you
Pre-form the skins and you will see what I mean.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
firewall forward
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Figgins" <2004nospam@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of
Stiffeners
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Figgins" <2004nospam@earthlink.net>
>
> As I am just in the process of doing the rudder for my -7A (and just cut
> the stiffeners to length yesterday :( ) is there anything I should do to
> help prevent the same situation such as putting proseal around the front
> to
> dampen vibration?
>
>
> Dave Figgins empennage
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DonEavesRV6
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6"
> --> <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
>
> I Discovered cracks on my RV6 Rudder running from the last rivet on the
> forward end of the stiffeners behind the spar - Did not have any cracks on
> the trailing edge which is in Vans instructions to add a gob of tank /
> pro-seal -
>
> Searched the archives and found 38+- post under Rudder Cracks - Many were
> about forward cracks - Most fixed the problem by stop drilling the
> cracks -
> Noted the RV10 rudder attaches the forward end of stiffeners to the spar -
>
> I discovered 1 crack on an RV4 @ my airport - I suspect if we did a fleet
> inspection we would find more aircraft with cracks in the rudder and
> elevator at either end of the stiffeners -
>
> I use slips to landing and attribute my cracks to that and engine run-up
> shaking - Anyway this is a point needing structural improvement in future
> rudders and noted Vans attached the forward end of the stiffeners on the
> 10.
> I plan to build a new rudder - I will attach the stiffeners to the spar -
>
> Don Eaves
> RV6 Flown 235 +- Hrs - Currently installing: Garman 155XL GPS, KN53 Nav
> and
> Autopilot.
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of |
Stiffeners
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> Stiffeners
I believe that RV-6s had 0.016" rudder skins. My RV-8 has 0.020"
rudder skins. If the RV-7 has the thicker rudder skins that might be
enough to address the problem.
Don - how thick is your rudder skin?
Kevin Horton
>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Figgins" <2004nospam@earthlink.net>
>
> As I am just in the process of doing the rudder for my -7A (and just cut
>the stiffeners to length yesterday :( ) is there anything I should do to
>help prevent the same situation such as putting proseal around the front to
>dampen vibration?
>
>
>Dave Figgins empennage
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DonEavesRV6
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6"
>--> <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
>
>I Discovered cracks on my RV6 Rudder running from the last rivet on the
>forward end of the stiffeners behind the spar - Did not have any cracks on
>the trailing edge which is in Vans instructions to add a gob of tank /
>pro-seal -
>
>Searched the archives and found 38+- post under Rudder Cracks - Many were
>about forward cracks - Most fixed the problem by stop drilling the cracks -
>Noted the RV10 rudder attaches the forward end of stiffeners to the spar -
>
>I discovered 1 crack on an RV4 @ my airport - I suspect if we did a fleet
>inspection we would find more aircraft with cracks in the rudder and
>elevator at either end of the stiffeners -
>
>I use slips to landing and attribute my cracks to that and engine run-up
>shaking - Anyway this is a point needing structural improvement in future
>rudders and noted Vans attached the forward end of the stiffeners on the 10.
>I plan to build a new rudder - I will attach the stiffeners to the spar -
>
>Don Eaves
>RV6 Flown 235 +- Hrs - Currently installing: Garman 155XL GPS, KN53 Nav and
>Autopilot.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
Don,
In building my RV-3B empennage, which also has the .016 rudder and elevator
skins, I researched this quite a bit not wanting to get the cracking myself.
I considered upsizing to .020 skins but Van talked me out of it. I used the
approach detailed here...
http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/Airframe/airframe.htm#Empennage
Randy Lervold
----- Original Message -----
From: "DonEavesRV6" <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6" <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
>
> I Discovered cracks on my RV6 Rudder running from the last rivet on the
forward end of the stiffeners behind the spar -
> Did not have any cracks on the trailing edge which is in Vans instructions
to add a gob of tank / pro-seal -
>
> Searched the archives and found 38+- post under Rudder Cracks -
> Many were about forward cracks -
> Most fixed the problem by stop drilling the cracks -
> Noted the RV10 rudder attaches the forward end of stiffeners to the spar -
>
> I discovered 1 crack on an RV4 @ my airport -
> I suspect if we did a fleet inspection we would find more aircraft with
cracks in the rudder and elevator at either end of the stiffeners -
>
> I use slips to landing and attribute my cracks to that and engine run-up
shaking -
> Anyway this is a point needing structural improvement in future rudders
and noted Vans attached the forward end of the stiffeners on the 10.
> I plan to build a new rudder - I will attach the stiffeners to the spar -
>
> Don Eaves
> RV6 Flown 235 +- Hrs - Currently installing: Garman 155XL GPS, KN53 Nav
and Autopilot.
>
>
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| Subject: | Flap useage for short field takeoff |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Cuba" <collrev@hamilton.net>
I'll be a RV6 owner in the next couple days. 150hp fixed pitch Props Inc prop.
RPM on rollout is 2250. I would have prefered a constant speed for my short field
but that is not the case at this time. My strip is 1500', 25' obstruction
on one end, turf, mowed short and well packed, 1500' elv. I have 700 plus hours
in tailwheel and operate a Sonex, Citabria, and RANS experimentals with no problems
from this strip.
After searching the archives on short field performance of the RV, I see many
posts on landing, nearly none on takeoff. I have landed two different RV6's
and don't feel landing will be the big issue.
My question is on flap usage for short, possibly soft field takeoff. What is
working the best? Some flaps, no flaps, flaps deployed just before rotation?
I plan on practicing at a local grass strip for a few hours before I try my
strip and would like to here some combinations that have worked for others.
Thanks
Frank Cuba
Silver Creek NE
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| Subject: | Re: Flap useage for short field takeoff |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
I use half flaps on short field takeoffs. Full flaps gets you off the ground
a little sooner, but acceleration really suffers once airborne.
With a 1500' strip, I think your landings will be much more interesting than
your takeoffs.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Cuba" <collrev@hamilton.net>
Subject: RV-List: Flap useage for short field takeoff
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Cuba" <collrev@hamilton.net>
>
> I'll be a RV6 owner in the next couple days. 150hp fixed pitch Props Inc
> prop. RPM on rollout is 2250. I would have prefered a constant speed for
> my short field but that is not the case at this time. My strip is 1500',
> 25' obstruction on one end, turf, mowed short and well packed, 1500' elv.
> I have 700 plus hours in tailwheel and operate a Sonex, Citabria, and RANS
> experimentals with no problems from this strip.
> After searching the archives on short field performance of the RV, I
> see many posts on landing, nearly none on takeoff. I have landed two
> different RV6's and don't feel landing will be the big issue.
> My question is on flap usage for short, possibly soft field takeoff.
> What is working the best? Some flaps, no flaps, flaps deployed just before
> rotation?
> I plan on practicing at a local grass strip for a few hours before I
> try my strip and would like to here some combinations that have worked for
> others.
>
> Thanks
> Frank Cuba
> Silver Creek NE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of |
Stiffeners
--> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Stiffeners
Making small changes in the design of the rudder such as attaching
stiffeners to spar might call for flutter testing - or am I wrong?
hal
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| Subject: | Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of |
Stiffeners
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> Stiffeners
>--> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne
><kempthornes@earthlink.net> Stiffeners
>
>Making small changes in the design of the rudder such as attaching
>stiffeners to spar might call for flutter testing - or am I wrong?
>
Anything that adds weight aft of the hinge line would probably reduce
the airspeed at which flutter would occur. The sensitivity to the
added weight increases as the distance from the hinge line increases.
Minor changes at the rudder spar would be have less effect on flutter
than adding an electric rudder trim tab. I've seen several RVs with
electric rudder trim tabs, and none of them have had flutter
accidents to my knowledge.
A minor weight increase at the rudder spar would probably have a
minimal effect on flutter speed, in my opinion. But I am not an
aero-elastic flutter specialist, so this opinion is worth what was
paid for it.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Rudder Oil Canning Question - was Cracks @ Last Rivet |
--> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" <gmcnutt@uniserve.com>
Oil Canning Change?
I have a question for anyone about to do the leading edge bend (curl) on
their rudder. I seem to have acquired some oil canning of the rudder skins
(7A) that I don't think was there before I rolled the skin leading edge.
Could someone about to do this leading edge bend check to see if they notice
any before/after change in oil canning of the skins (between stiffeners)
after doing the bend and let me know.
The oil canning on the 7A rudder skins is more of a rolling in/out motion in
the skin between the stiffeners similar to what I have on my 6A (no cracks
at 335 hrs).
Thanks,
George McNutt
Langley BC
6A flying
7A waiting for wings.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Orear
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of
Stiffeners
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Dave:
I'll chime in here with one suggestion. From what I have gathered from
previous discussions on the topic, one factor that contributes to these
cracks is preloading the skin.
If you do not pre-bend the skin sides at their forward edge so that they
overlap each other without needing to force them into position, you will put
too much stress on the area where the stiffeners end. The skin tends to try
to bow out just past the rudder spar if you need to hold the skins together
with a lot of force to form the leading edge. Just watch that area as you
Pre-form the skins and you will see what I mean.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
firewall forward
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Figgins" <2004nospam@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of
Stiffeners
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Figgins" <2004nospam@earthlink.net>
>
> As I am just in the process of doing the rudder for my -7A (and just cut
> the stiffeners to length yesterday :( ) is there anything I should do to
> help prevent the same situation such as putting proseal around the front
> to
> dampen vibration?
>
>
> Dave Figgins empennage
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DonEavesRV6
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6"
> --> <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
>
> I Discovered cracks on my RV6 Rudder running from the last rivet on the
> forward end of the stiffeners behind the spar - Did not have any cracks on
> the trailing edge which is in Vans instructions to add a gob of tank /
> pro-seal -
>
> Searched the archives and found 38+- post under Rudder Cracks - Many were
> about forward cracks - Most fixed the problem by stop drilling the
> cracks -
> Noted the RV10 rudder attaches the forward end of stiffeners to the spar -
>
> I discovered 1 crack on an RV4 @ my airport - I suspect if we did a fleet
> inspection we would find more aircraft with cracks in the rudder and
> elevator at either end of the stiffeners -
>
> I use slips to landing and attribute my cracks to that and engine run-up
> shaking - Anyway this is a point needing structural improvement in future
> rudders and noted Vans attached the forward end of the stiffeners on the
> 10.
> I plan to build a new rudder - I will attach the stiffeners to the spar -
>
> Don Eaves
> RV6 Flown 235 +- Hrs - Currently installing: Garman 155XL GPS, KN53 Nav
> and
> Autopilot.
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
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| Subject: | List: fuel injection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
There should be three port- fuel in, fuel out, and fuel inlet pressure to
the gauge.
Precision airmotive has a free DVD on maintenance, troubleshooting, and hot
starting the RSA system. The manuals on operation and service, Training,
and Troubleshooting are about $15 each. 360-651-8282,
www.precisionairmotive,com
Glen Matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
> Time: 11:11:31 AM PST US
> From: "n255gh@frontiernet.net" <n255gh@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: RV-List: fuel injection
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "n255gh@frontiernet.net"
<n255gh@frontiernet.net>
>
>
> To rv-list
>
> I have a io 320 e2b with a bendix rsa 5ad1 fuel injection system. I'm
> looking for a good book or other form of information that would show
> me how to pipe it up.It has three piping port one is fuel supply, the
> other is metered fuel and, there is another small line that goes
> somewhere. I have no idea. Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
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| Subject: | RV8 Wing Kit For Sale |
0.00 DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours after Received: date
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alan Ferguson" <aferg@incoservices.com>
RV8 pre-punched wing kit for sale. Materials are in the original
shipment crates. Kit includes the capacitive fuel sender and two
leading edge landing / taxi lights. Located in the Atlanta area. Also
have a partially completed RV8 empennage that I will also sell with the
wing kit. Contact me at e-mail aferg@incoservices.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Flap useage for short field takeoff |
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
Half flaps is my recommendation. The problem will come
in getting your RV stopped. The engine will take care
of the takeoff,but the pilot is the big variable on
the landing. Practice slow flight a lot at
altitude,ect.,so you can bring it in slow.
--- Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
> <kboatright1@comcast.net>
>
> I use half flaps on short field takeoffs. Full flaps
> gets you off the ground
> a little sooner, but acceleration really suffers
> once airborne.
>
> With a 1500' strip, I think your landings will be
> much more interesting than
> your takeoffs.
>
> KB
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Cuba" <collrev@hamilton.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Flap useage for short field
> takeoff
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Cuba"
> <collrev@hamilton.net>
> >
> > I'll be a RV6 owner in the next couple days. 150hp
> fixed pitch Props Inc
> > prop. RPM on rollout is 2250. I would have
> prefered a constant speed for
> > my short field but that is not the case at this
> time. My strip is 1500',
> > 25' obstruction on one end, turf, mowed short and
> well packed, 1500' elv.
> > I have 700 plus hours in tailwheel and operate a
> Sonex, Citabria, and RANS
> > experimentals with no problems from this strip.
> > After searching the archives on short field
> performance of the RV, I
> > see many posts on landing, nearly none on takeoff.
> I have landed two
> > different RV6's and don't feel landing will be the
> big issue.
> > My question is on flap usage for short,
> possibly soft field takeoff.
> > What is working the best? Some flaps, no flaps,
> flaps deployed just before
> > rotation?
> > I plan on practicing at a local grass strip for
> a few hours before I
> > try my strip and would like to here some
> combinations that have worked for
> > others.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Frank Cuba
> > Silver Creek NE
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6" <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
.020
Don Eaves
RV6 Flying
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>; <Stiffeners@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of
Stiffeners
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
Stiffeners
>
> I believe that RV-6s had 0.016" rudder skins. My RV-8 has 0.020"
> rudder skins. If the RV-7 has the thicker rudder skins that might be
> enough to address the problem.
>
> Don - how thick is your rudder skin?
>
> Kevin Horton
>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "David Figgins" <2004nospam@earthlink.net>
> >
> > As I am just in the process of doing the rudder for my -7A (and just
cut
> >the stiffeners to length yesterday :( ) is there anything I should do to
> >help prevent the same situation such as putting proseal around the front
to
> >dampen vibration?
> >
> >
> >Dave Figgins empennage
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DonEavesRV6
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: Rudder Cracks @ Last Rivet On Forward End of Stiffeners
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6"
> >--> <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
> >
> >I Discovered cracks on my RV6 Rudder running from the last rivet on the
> >forward end of the stiffeners behind the spar - Did not have any cracks
on
> >the trailing edge which is in Vans instructions to add a gob of tank /
> >pro-seal -
> >
> >Searched the archives and found 38+- post under Rudder Cracks - Many were
> >about forward cracks - Most fixed the problem by stop drilling the
cracks -
> >Noted the RV10 rudder attaches the forward end of stiffeners to the
spar -
> >
> >I discovered 1 crack on an RV4 @ my airport - I suspect if we did a fleet
> >inspection we would find more aircraft with cracks in the rudder and
> >elevator at either end of the stiffeners -
> >
> >I use slips to landing and attribute my cracks to that and engine run-up
> >shaking - Anyway this is a point needing structural improvement in future
> >rudders and noted Vans attached the forward end of the stiffeners on the
10.
> >I plan to build a new rudder - I will attach the stiffeners to the spar -
> >
> >Don Eaves
> >RV6 Flown 235 +- Hrs - Currently installing: Garman 155XL GPS, KN53 Nav
and
> >Autopilot.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | EAA Chapter 898 FLY IN Sat Oct 2,2004 @ MJX |
--> RV-List message posted by: Five0Gulf@aol.com
For Immediate Release:
EAA Chapter 898 is hosting a "Fly-In" at Robert J. Miller Airport on October
2, 2004 from 8 to 2. Rain date October 3, 2004.
"How to" Demos on weight and balance and techniques for gluing composite
aircraft are scheduled.
Continental breakfast will be available for a small donation to support our
club.
Door prizes! Should be fun!! Come out and support this great sport of
aviation!!!
Do not archive
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| Subject: | RV8 Wing Kit For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
Alan - your email is bouncing. I use earthlink.
I am VERY interested. I am woking on the control surfaces for the tail and
was about to order the wing (takes 6 weeks).
Anyway, give me a call @ 703-878-2042 or email me your phone number and we
can talk.
Dave
> [Original Message]
> From: Alan Ferguson <aferg@incoservices.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/26/2004 7:11:52 PM
> Subject: RV-List: RV8 Wing Kit For Sale
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alan Ferguson" <aferg@incoservices.com>
>
> RV8 pre-punched wing kit for sale. Materials are in the original
> shipment crates. Kit includes the capacitive fuel sender and two
> leading edge landing / taxi lights. Located in the Atlanta area. Also
> have a partially completed RV8 empennage that I will also sell with the
> wing kit. Contact me at e-mail aferg@incoservices.com.
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com" <mimartin@sweetwater.com>
I'm wondering how much others have paid for the KLX-135A GPS COM. I ordered from
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty and was shocked at the price $3048.00. Is this
now the price others are paying? Mickey Martin RV6
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
What to say.......
Quick search of all the major avionics houses shows the going rate for a
KLX-135A GPS/COMM is between $2150.00 - $2595.00. If you ordered it, cancel
it and but one from somewhere else.
FYI....ACS is usually higher than everyone else (even Van's) on things like
that....
Quick Look:
Pacific/Gulf Coast:$2595
Chief: $2475
Great Lakes: $2195
Also, here's my opinion (It's worth what you paid for it).
The best thing you can do with that money, is buy a good little com radio
(ICOM, KING, etc..) and buy one of the slick handhelds (Garmin 295/296/196,
Skyforce, etc..). The KLX's GPS is WAYYYYYY outdated compared to even the
new handhelds. The new garmins blow them away in functionality, display,
etc...
I've flown behind the KLX's, and I'm not saying they are bad units, just
outdated. The coupling between the COM/GPS on that unit doesn't justify the
$$'s when you can seprately buy loads of more functionality for less $$'s.
Just my 2 cents!
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
http://www.steinair.com
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com
Subject: RV-List: KLX-135A
--> RV-List message posted by: "mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com"
<mimartin@sweetwater.com>
I'm wondering how much others have paid for the KLX-135A GPS COM. I ordered
from Aircraft Spruce & Specialty and was shocked at the price $3048.00. Is
this now the price others are paying? Mickey Martin RV6
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Chapter 898 FLY IN Sat Oct 2,2004 @ MJX |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
WHERE IS ROBERT J. MILLER AIRPORT????????????????????
D. PRESTON
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | EAA Chapter 898 FLY IN Sat Oct 2,2004 @ MJX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
And what state might this be in??
Or is this one of those ...." If you have to ask, you don't need to know"
.... deals?
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Five0Gulf@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:10 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: EAA Chapter 898 FLY IN Sat Oct 2,2004 @ MJX
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Five0Gulf@aol.com
>
> For Immediate Release:
>
> EAA Chapter 898 is hosting a "Fly-In" at Robert J. Miller Airport
> on October
> 2, 2004 from 8 to 2. Rain date October 3, 2004.
>
> "How to" Demos on weight and balance and techniques for gluing
> composite
> aircraft are scheduled.
>
> Continental breakfast will be available for a small donation to
> support our
> club.
>
> Door prizes! Should be fun!! Come out and support this great sport of
> aviation!!!
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | EAA Chapter 898 FLY IN Sat Oct 2,2004 @ MJX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
Ask Google that question. It takes you right to it.....
(in New Jersey)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Chapter 898 FLY IN Sat Oct 2,2004 @ MJX
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
WHERE IS ROBERT J. MILLER AIRPORT????????????????????
D. PRESTON
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
Ditto from me on my 2c worth. I paid 2600 nine years ago. It is a
fine unit and I like it, but the moving map is far inferior to my
Garmin Pilot III! The combo listed by Stein is what I would do today,
for the same budget.
Denis
On Sep 26, 2004, at 8:11 PM, Stein Bruch wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> What to say.......
>
> Quick search of all the major avionics houses shows the going rate for
> a
> KLX-135A GPS/COMM is between $2150.00 - $2595.00. If you ordered it,
> cancel
> it and but one from somewhere else.
>
> FYI....ACS is usually higher than everyone else (even Van's) on things
> like
> that....
> Quick Look:
>
> Pacific/Gulf Coast:$2595
> Chief: $2475
> Great Lakes: $2195
>
> Also, here's my opinion (It's worth what you paid for it).
> The best thing you can do with that money, is buy a good little com
> radio
> (ICOM, KING, etc..) and buy one of the slick handhelds (Garmin
> 295/296/196,
> Skyforce, etc..). The KLX's GPS is WAYYYYYY outdated compared to even
> the
> new handhelds. The new garmins blow them away in functionality,
> display,
> etc...
>
> I've flown behind the KLX's, and I'm not saying they are bad units,
> just
> outdated. The coupling between the COM/GPS on that unit doesn't
> justify the
> $$'s when you can seprately buy loads of more functionality for less
> $$'s.
>
> Just my 2 cents!
>
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
>
> http://www.steinair.com
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: KLX-135A
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com"
> <mimartin@sweetwater.com>
>
> I'm wondering how much others have paid for the KLX-135A GPS COM. I
> ordered
> from Aircraft Spruce & Specialty and was shocked at the price
> $3048.00. Is
> this now the price others are paying? Mickey Martin RV6
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris & Kellie Hand" <ckhand@earthlink.net>
Steve - Thanks for the laugh, I understand completely. Slow build 6A, 8+
year project so far, and I had the same reaction this summer when I put the
wings on to drill the gear and found that mine also actually fit.
Congrats, and good luck on the rest. I'm told if we keep plugging away, we
may finish & fly some day.
Chris Hand
RV-6A
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Subject: RV-List:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>
> Well, I just nervously did the first trial fit of my RV4 slow-build wing
to the slow-build fuse and they actually fit!!!!!! Oh wait, did I say they
fit? They don't just fit, they fit perfectly! Incidence is dead on with the
rear spar right smack in the middle of the carry through! I swear I'm so
excited I'm about to pee myself. Well, I don't really have much to else to
say...I just had to share the excitement with people who would understand.
Ok, I need a nap now.
>
> Steve Zicree
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Boelube, How to use? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Warren Hurd <warren@ahyup.com>
How does one use Boelube? I have a little stick of the stuff and it
seems hard and crumbly, somewhat like a cross between wax and soap. I
rubbed a drill on it and it seemed like nothing happened. I then
switched to cutting oil. Cutting oil is visible on the tool or bit,
makes me think it is working. How do you know if the Boelube is working?
Warren
Pondering a little stick of Boelube
http://ahyup.com
RV-9A (in many small parts)
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| Subject: | Re: Boelube, How to use? |
--> RV-List message posted by: BrownTool@aol.com
In a message dated 9/27/2004 12:23:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
warren@ahyup.com writes:
> How does one use Boelube? I have a little stick of the stuff and it
> seems hard and crumbly, somewhat like a cross between wax and soap. I
> rubbed a drill on it and it seemed like nothing happened. I then
> switched to cutting oil. Cutting oil is visible on the tool or bit,
> makes me think it is working. How do you know if the Boelube is working?
>
>
Most people simply "drill" their drill bit into the BoeLube which puts a thin
coating on their drill. It is not necessary to put globs of the stuff on your
drill bit, a small coating works fine. BoeLube is awesome stuff and is used
in every single aircraft factory I have ever visited.
If you are not comfortable using the paste version, BoeLube also makes a
liquid version which comes in a 4oz bottle. (Shameless Plug: you can find it on
our website at - www.browntool.com ).
Happy Drilling,
Michael Brown
Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co.
Oklahoma City, OK
www.browntool.com
1-800-587-3883
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