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1. 12:02 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 03:43 AM - Re: Attaching Engine to Mount (923te)
3. 04:47 AM - IO-360-A1B6D & D4LN-3000 dual mag pack (RV8ter@aol.com)
4. 05:05 AM - Re: Attaching Engine to Mount (lucky macy)
5. 05:44 AM - Re: Attaching Engine to Mount (Dale Mitchell)
6. 06:56 AM - Re: Attaching Engine to Mount (Jeff Orear)
7. 10:05 AM - Copperstate vs LOE4 (Doug Shenk)
8. 11:23 AM - setting engine down. (thomas a. sargent)
9. 11:42 AM - Re: Copperstate vs LOE4 (Brian Denk)
10. 11:43 AM - Re: setting engine down. (Sam Buchanan)
11. 12:10 PM - Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
12. 12:50 PM - Re: setting engine down. (Chris W)
13. 01:56 PM - Re: setting engine down. (Greg Young)
14. 02:06 PM - Glazing putty and Smooth Prime (Jeff Point)
15. 03:52 PM - Re: setting engine down. (linn walters)
16. 06:11 PM - >Re: setting engine down (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
17. 06:24 PM - Jefferson City, Missouri - FLY-IN!!! 10/09/04 (Robert E. Lynch)
18. 09:35 PM - engine starter suddenly not meshing (Jeff Dowling)
19. 10:05 PM - Re: Which GPS should I buy - dimming the 196 (DejaVu)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching Engine to Mount |
--> RV-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
I'm having trouble attaching an O320 engine to the dynafocal mount. Anyone
have any helpful hints? Is there a difference between the O320 and O360
mounts?
Thanks,
Ned
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| Subject: | IO-360-A1B6D & D4LN-3000 dual mag pack |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Thanks for the info Mahlon!
Last night long after I should have been asleep I finally stumbled on some
stuff by accident that I needed to know about this engine which I never ran
across before including this P lead kit. I found some direct info at
_http://www.sacskyranch.com/acatalog/Sacramento_Sky_Ranch_P_lead_ground_terminal_kits_292
.html_
(http://www.sacskyranch.com/acatalog/Sacramento_Sky_Ranch_P_lead_ground_terminal_kits_292.html)
Unfortunately unless the kit has some kind of instruction or the book I
ordered does then I'll be back asking for help :-)
But the serious issue I discovered at a cessna/cardinal web site which some
before me hadn't prior to engine seizing in flight was that engines with dual
mags requires a special blocking plate to be installed between two gaskets on
a rear mounted prop governor.
_http://www.cardinalflyers.com/pub/info/govplate.htm_
(http://www.cardinalflyers.com/pub/info/govplate.htm)
Lycoming SI 1438 supposedly covers this. "...Lycoming's service instruction
# 1438 dated July 9, 1987 stating that ALL 4 & 6 cyl. dual mag engines with
rear mount govenors must have this plate. [Emphasis added.. Webmaster]"
This critical part does not show up in the engine or airframe manuals and
many A&Ps apparently aren't trained/aware this according to the article.
Lucky
In a message dated 10/2/2004 6:02:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mahlon_russell@teledyne.com writes:
Lucky,
There is a special P lead attachment kit that you will need. P/N LW-
382698. It is shown in the IO-360-A3B6D parts book for the engine,
item number 9, Figure 28, page 4-13. Its installation on the p lead
wires requires some minor soldering. It is not something you will
likely to be able to fabricate on your own.
Good Luck,
Mahlon
--- In lycoming@yahoogroups.com, RV8ter@a... wrote:
> My mag book hasn't arrived yet and there's no telling it will have
all I'm
> looking for anyway so does someone have a picture and or a
description of how
> the p leads are supposed to be connected to the dual mag pack? I
thnk I'm
> missing some "special" connector for the leads because it's not a
simple
> threaded stud like I've seen before.
>
> D4LN-3000 is the model.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching Engine to Mount |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
I doubt there's a difference. My io-360 was a royal pain in the a$$ too and
when I finally finished I didn't think the next time would be any easier.
There were times when you need to actually push/pull the mount to line up
with the holes. I did most of that by allowing the engine with mount half
attached to be lowered so that the weight of the engine would move the mount
in the directions I needed it to go. In the end, the final bolt had to be
socket wrenched through the hole kicking and screaming all the way.
----Original Message Follows----
From: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Attaching Engine to Mount
--> RV-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
I'm having trouble attaching an O320 engine to the dynafocal mount. Anyone
have any helpful hints? Is there a difference between the O320 and O360
mounts?
Thanks,
Ned
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching Engine to Mount |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dale Mitchell <dfm4290@yahoo.com>
When I mounted my engine I had to have the bolts
already installed tightened down before the other
bolts would line up.
Dale Mitchell RV-8A MN wing
--- 923te <923te@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "923te"
> <923te@cox.net>
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> I'm having trouble attaching an O320 engine to the
> dynafocal mount. Anyone
> have any helpful hints? Is there a difference
> between the O320 and O360
> mounts?
> Thanks,
> Ned
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching Engine to Mount |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Hi Ned:
I refer you to the link listed below which is for the illustrated guide to
engine hanging done by Jim Norman et. al.
I used his techniques/tips and was able to hang my 0320 E3D in about 45
minutes. They were very helpful.
Excuse the pun, but hang in there.
http://www.vansairforce.net/articles/IllustratedGuideToEngineHanging/enginehanging.htm
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
firewall forward
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Attaching Engine to Mount
> --> RV-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
>
> I'm having trouble attaching an O320 engine to the dynafocal mount. Anyone
> have any helpful hints? Is there a difference between the O320 and O360
> mounts?
> Thanks,
> Ned
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Copperstate vs LOE4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Shenk <dshenk3@bresnan.net>
I hope to get down to one of these fly-ins this year (either would be
new to me) and am wondering how many RVs usually show up at each event.
My main reason for attending is to get a dose of inspiration for my RV6a
project (quickbuild kit but stuck in the slowbuild lane) so the others
events are less important to me than the rv enthusiasm. Travel
distance is about the same. Any predications will be appreciated.
Do not archive. Doug
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| Subject: | setting engine down. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
It is becoming clear, as I contemplate engine installation, firewall
penetrations, baff;es, etc., etc. that muy engine is going to spend a
lot of time on the hoist before getting bolted to the plane. (I've been
advised to keep it on the hoist and just move it up into position to
estimate wire lengths, hoses, etc. That keeps it and the mount out of
the way while working on the firewall.)
So, if this is true, then I need to set the engine down a lot. I don't
want to put it back in its crate because that involves bolting it to the
large steel brackets that are attached to the crate and will probably be
very difficult.
So is it OK to set it down on the sump on some 4x4 wooden blocks? One
suggstion I got was to get a couple pieces of foam insulation sold in
sheets at Home Depot (about 5 inches of foam total) and set it on that.
What do people normally use?
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A, Landing gear
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| Subject: | Copperstate vs LOE4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>I hope to get down to one of these fly-ins this year (either would be
>new to me) and am wondering how many RVs usually show up at each event.
>My main reason for attending is to get a dose of inspiration for my RV6a
>project (quickbuild kit but stuck in the slowbuild lane) so the others
>events are less important to me than the rv enthusiasm. Travel
>distance is about the same. Any predications will be appreciated.
>Do not archive. Doug
For total RV immersion, low stress, no airshow, great people, and no
overpriced hotdog vendors, go to LOE4. For the full, in-your-face EAA
cashcow extravaganza, go to Copperstate. 200+ RV's likely to attend LOE.
Maybe half that at Copperstate.
My opinion only.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | Re: setting engine down. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
thomas a. sargent wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
> It is becoming clear, as I contemplate engine installation, firewall
> penetrations, baff;es, etc., etc. that muy engine is going to spend a
> lot of time on the hoist before getting bolted to the plane. (I've been
> advised to keep it on the hoist and just move it up into position to
> estimate wire lengths, hoses, etc. That keeps it and the mount out of
> the way while working on the firewall.)
>
> So, if this is true, then I need to set the engine down a lot. I don't
> want to put it back in its crate because that involves bolting it to the
> large steel brackets that are attached to the crate and will probably be
> very difficult.
>
> So is it OK to set it down on the sump on some 4x4 wooden blocks? One
> suggstion I got was to get a couple pieces of foam insulation sold in
> sheets at Home Depot (about 5 inches of foam total) and set it on that.
> What do people normally use?
Tom, one way to support the engine (if the carb/injector is not
installed) is to set the engine on a couple of old tires. Check out the
photo near the bottom of this page to see how I transported my engine:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/overhaul-3.htm
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Listers...
I have a Superior XP-IO360 with the new Ryton plastic forward facing sump.
If anyone has the same setup, and has pix to share, I would be curious to see
where/how the bracket for throttle cable was mounted. Van's bracket doesn't
seem to fit. Email off list if you wish at _jerry2dt@aol.com_
(mailto:jerry2dt@aol.com) .
Thanx.
Jerry Cochran
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| Subject: | Re: setting engine down. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
thomas a. sargent wrote:
>So, if this is true, then I need to set the engine down a lot.
>
Why can't you leave the engine on the hoist? If you are concerned about
loosing hydraulic pressure and it falling or slowly leaking down, why
not just cut some steel tubing in half length wise and clamp it around
the rod on the hoist's hydraulic cylinder between the cylinder top and
the rod end clevis, then it can't fall even if it has a sudden loss of
hydraulic pressure.
--
Chris W
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| Subject: | setting engine down. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
I always feel better relieving the stress on the case since the whole load
goes thru one case bolt so I bought a 4 wheel garden cart from Harbor
Freight. I added a piece of MDF and some old tires to support the engine. It
will roll between the outriggers of the engine hoist so I can drop it on the
cart to support it in place or disconnect the hoist and move them around
separately. A $40 cart seemed like cheap insurance.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W
> --> <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
>
> thomas a. sargent wrote:
>
> >So, if this is true, then I need to set the engine down a lot.
> >
> Why can't you leave the engine on the hoist? If you are
> concerned about loosing hydraulic pressure and it falling or
> slowly leaking down, why not just cut some steel tubing in
> half length wise and clamp it around the rod on the hoist's
> hydraulic cylinder between the cylinder top and the rod end
> clevis, then it can't fall even if it has a sudden loss of
> hydraulic pressure.
>
> --
> Chris W
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| Subject: | Glazing putty and Smooth Prime |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Anybody know about using glazing putty on top of Polyfiber Smooth
Prime? I'm worried about it being water based, and if there are any
products to stay away from. Specifically, has anyone used a product
called "Ice" made by, I believe, PPG? Is this suitable was use over
Smooth Prime?
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
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| Subject: | Re: setting engine down. |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
thomas a. sargent wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
>It is becoming clear, as I contemplate engine installation, firewall
>penetrations, baff;es, etc., etc. that muy engine is going to spend a
>lot of time on the hoist before getting bolted to the plane. (I've been
>advised to keep it on the hoist and just move it up into position to
>estimate wire lengths, hoses, etc. That keeps it and the mount out of
>the way while working on the firewall.)
>
>So, if this is true, then I need to set the engine down a lot. I don't
>want to put it back in its crate because that involves bolting it to the
>large steel brackets that are attached to the crate and will probably be
>very difficult.
>
>So is it OK to set it down on the sump on some 4x4 wooden blocks? One
>suggstion I got was to get a couple pieces of foam insulation sold in
>sheets at Home Depot (about 5 inches of foam total) and set it on that.
>What do people normally use?
>
Bolt the engine to the engine mount and stand it on a table with the
prop flange pointing up. If you set it down on the firewall, or
aluminum cut to shape of the firewall, then you can plan on where to
bolt things down and the length of stuff goint through the firewall is
easily measured. You can put all the plumbing in place with this setup
and work on a more reasonable level than hanging in front of the
firewall on a hoist.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: setting engine down |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
As Linn Walters said, with the engine on the mount you can get all the
measurements easier. It would also be easier to bolt the engine to the mount with
the engine weight on the Lord Mounts. You should be able to put the bolts in
with the engine weight compressing the mounts without having all the trouble
usually associated with this chore.
My 2 cents worth,
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Jefferson City, Missouri - FLY-IN!!! 10/09/04 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch" <rv6lynch@earthlink.net>
The 3rd Annual Jefferson City, Missouri (JEF) will be held this coming
weekend October 9th!! This years event will feature Wings & Wheels with
approximately 30 collector cars in attendance. Lunch will be served.
See you there!
For more information please eMail me off-line.
Bob
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| Subject: | engine starter suddenly not meshing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
A strange thing happened recently to my 6a. I have an io360 with a Dick Waters/air
tech starter and it has been working flawlessly for about 120 hours. It
then started to not mesh with the flywheel about every other start and then worsened
to all the time. I was able to put the prop in a low compression point
to get it to engage. Once I took the cowl off I shimmed the starter out from
the engine the thickness of a washer and reinstalled. The teeth now mesh about
1/2 their depth and the starter has engaged every time, about 10 tries now.
Im wondering why something like this would develop over time. Does anyone out
there have a suggestion on why this would happen over time?
Shemp
6a 135 hrs
Chicago/Louisville
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| Subject: | Re: Which GPS should I buy - dimming the 196 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@mail.ameritel.net>
Ahh.... could be operator error. I touch the on-off button repeatedly vice
using the 4-way button. The on-off button only give you 4 settings.
Anh
Maryland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Which GPS should I buy - dimming the 196
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> This puzzles me. With my Garmin 196, I can touch the on-off button and
then
> dim the screen to virtually off by pushing on the bottom of the 4- way
> button, just like the instructions say. The sides of the 4-way button
> increase or decrease screen contrast.
>
> Terry
>
>
> >Haven't heard much on readability at night. I have a Garmin 196 in
my -6.
> >My only complain is it is much too bright at the lowest setting at night.
> >I
> >even tried to put a sheet of cling-on plastic of the darkest shade and
was
> >still too bright to my taste. My hangar mate has a 295. His cockpit
glows
> >during night flights.
> >Anh
> >Maryland
> >
>
>
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