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1. 04:00 AM - Re: Battery box - securing battery (Kyle Boatright)
2. 04:17 AM - Lasar ignition backup mode (Trevor Davis)
3. 06:05 AM - Re: Bad Rivet (Peter Laurence)
4. 06:22 AM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Robert Cutter)
5. 07:03 AM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Bill VonDane)
6. 07:45 AM - RV-8 canopy (jim & terri truitt)
7. 08:45 AM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Jamie Painter)
8. 09:45 AM - XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (Bluecavu@aol.com)
9. 10:13 AM - Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (Stein Bruch)
10. 10:34 AM - Re: Battery box - securing battery (GMC)
11. 10:58 AM - Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (Ken Simmons)
12. 12:32 PM - Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (Stein Bruch)
13. 01:11 PM - Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (Ken Simmons)
14. 01:14 PM - Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question ()
15. 01:16 PM - propeller for sale (ray sheffield)
16. 01:20 PM - Harness shootout - Hooker vs. Schroth (Mickey Coggins)
17. 01:28 PM - Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (steve zicree)
18. 01:49 PM - Fuel Pressure (John Furey)
19. 01:52 PM - Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (steve zicree)
20. 02:05 PM - Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (BPA)
21. 02:14 PM - Re: alternators (RV4WGH@aol.com)
22. 02:32 PM - Re: Fuel Pressure (cgalley)
23. 03:02 PM - Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (Kathleen@rv7.us)
24. 03:26 PM - Re: Harness shootout - Hooker vs. Schroth (Dale Mitchell)
25. 03:40 PM - Re: insurance (steve zicree)
26. 03:50 PM - Re: Harness shootout - Hooker vs. Schroth (Charles Rowbotham)
27. 04:14 PM - Re: I've finally got my XCOM 760 Radio (lucky macy)
28. 04:15 PM - Re: Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (Dick Jordan)
29. 04:30 PM - Off Topic - XPrize (Jim Duckett)
30. 05:22 PM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Terry Williams)
31. 05:40 PM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Sam Buchanan)
32. 05:43 PM - Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (Stein Bruch)
33. 06:07 PM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Gary Zilik)
34. 06:08 PM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Jerry Hansen)
35. 06:09 PM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Terry Williams)
36. 06:30 PM - Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question (Jim Thorne)
37. 06:31 PM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Terry Williams)
38. 06:52 PM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (linn walters)
39. 07:04 PM - Cement rubber to canopy (Jim Bean)
40. 07:49 PM - Re: Fuel Pressure (Nauga)
41. 08:10 PM - Fuselage Order Follow-up ()
42. 08:16 PM - Insurance Rates ()
43. 08:22 PM - Re: Fuselage Order Follow-up (Sam Buchanan)
44. 10:11 PM - New/Used Propeller page added to website (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Battery box - securing battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
Thomas,
I believe the plans call for a couple of aluminum angle tabs that hold down
the battery. One side of each tab rivets to the battery box, the other
"flat" on the angle rests on top of the battery and keeps it from moving
around.
Your idea about using rubber grommets to protect battery cables is correct.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Battery box - securing battery
> --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
> I have a circa 1999 RV-6A kit with the Battery box in the cabin. It
> looks to me like the battery has to be restrained somehow or its
> terminals could short to the inside top of the battery battery box. The
> QB manual doesn't seem to mention battery installation.
>
> One could rig some sort of strap I suppose, or perhaps attach some
> blocks of wood or nylon to the inside of the box cover. They'd have to
> have just the right thickness to hold down the battery when the cover
> was secured.
>
> 1) What is the usual way of holding the battery out of harms way?
>
> 2) I suppose the battery cables will exit the box through large
> grommeted holes in the side? Is there a better/safer way to do this?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-List:Lasar ignition backup mode |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Trevor Davis" <tdavis@netactive.co.za>
Thanks for the replies
My system does have the CHT probe (LC1011-01) with a dual point "K" probe
It also worked fine for the first 7-8 flights. It also "kicks in" when reset in
flight
as evidenced by the change in EGT's. Everything seems to work ok except that it's
reverting to "backup mode"
Trevor Davis
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--> RV-List message posted by: Peter Laurence <dr.laurence@mbdi.org>
Try getting a side cutting dyke behind the head. This has worked for me.
Peter
> I was hoping someone could help me. I just started on my RV-7A. Just
> finished the Horizontal stabilizer and then noticed that I had a bad
rivet.
> The rivet is loose, but it won't come out. It's in a part that I can no
> longer get to the back of without drilling out a lot of rivets. If you
click
> on a link you can see a picture of it.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> http://kane-king.com/rv7aproject/images/BadRivet.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Cutter" <rcutter@cupower.com>
For LIVE coverage of the second attempt, tune your TV to the Science channel RIGHT
NOW!! They started live coverage at 9 AM EDT. I have it on and they have
been doing interviews. I watched at 2 hour program on Discovery Channel last
night about the program.
Robert Cutter
RV4 upside down
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Mei
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 12:13 AM
Subject: RV-List: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
The Rutan boys have released videos of they're successful first X-prize
launch last week. I was watching it and noticed something really cool. I
heard that there was a Dynon EFIS on board but there it was in the video.
So I paused the video and holy @#$% what is that. Why, its a Garmin GPS 196
on the glare shield. NASA would use a $21,000,000 custom ring laser gyro
inertial system, but these guys used an off the shelf handheld GPS. Now I
just wonder where they mounted the antenna.
By the way, details, the video is here:
http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/video/X-Prize-flight-1.wmv
The scene where the Dynon and Garmin are visible is 1:30 into it.
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| Subject: | Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I watched that show too, it was excellent! It is on again this Thursday
evening on discovery...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Cutter" <rcutter@cupower.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Cutter" <rcutter@cupower.com>
For LIVE coverage of the second attempt, tune your TV to the Science channel
RIGHT NOW!! They started live coverage at 9 AM EDT. I have it on and they
have been doing interviews. I watched at 2 hour program on Discovery
Channel last night about the program.
Robert Cutter
RV4 upside down
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Mei
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 12:13 AM
Subject: RV-List: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
The Rutan boys have released videos of they're successful first X-prize
launch last week. I was watching it and noticed something really cool. I
heard that there was a Dynon EFIS on board but there it was in the video.
So I paused the video and holy @#$% what is that. Why, its a Garmin GPS
196
on the glare shield. NASA would use a $21,000,000 custom ring laser gyro
inertial system, but these guys used an off the shelf handheld GPS. Now I
just wonder where they mounted the antenna.
By the way, details, the video is here:
http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/video/X-Prize-flight-1.wmv
The scene where the Dynon and Garmin are visible is 1:30 into it.
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--> RV-List message posted by: jim & terri truitt <jimteri1@earthlink.net>
I've searched the archives on this to no avail. My 8 canopy, like everyone elses,
has 1/4 to 1/2 inch opening around the bottom rear of the canopy skirt in
flight, letting cold air in. My canopy skirt fits as tight as any I have seen
when on the ground. All of the posts in the archives address this problem by
suggesting filling the gaps with weatherstriping, or venting the tail somehow.
My question is, Has anyone determined with any certainty, what causes the
gap around the skirt? Is it air pressure going out, coming in, or is the canopy
being pulled up by the airfoil shape? And , if the canopy is being pulled
up, has anyone considered a rear canopy hold-down device to prevent the skirt
from rising? I have an idea on how to hold the rear canopy down and still provide
emergency egress, but I'm not sure exactly what causes the gap. If the fiberglass
skirt is simply flexing outward, a hold down device won't help much.
And if the problem is the skirt flexing, can the fiberglass be strenghtened
to prevent the flex? I have noted some play in the fit between the nylon block
and the slider track, and this does allow some upward rise in the canopy.
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| Subject: | Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
Yeah, that Dynon looks good in SS1. I had to wonder though (have jokingly,
have serious) if Melville was looking at the Dynon (although intended as a
backup) when he started his roll to the right. Could this be related to the
attitude errors some Dynon customers have been experiencing? Not speculating
here, just thought it to be an interesting coincidence.
do not archive
--
Jamie D. Painter
RV-7 wings N622JP (reserved)
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF |
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
Time: 12:10:23 PM PST US
From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Subject: RV-List:
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Listers...
Hey All!
I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to procure one of these sumps
for use on my non-XP-360 Lycosaur. Apparently Superior has decided not to offer
them on a parts basis -but only as part of a complete XP-360 engine. Well, I
want one. I know Superior has to support their product owners with spares -any
XP-360 owners out there willing to act as a source/middleman. Superior is
gonna have to realize sooner or later that this policy is futile. If we
homebuilders want something, we always find a way to get it. We have friends
everywhere...
Scott
RV-4 N4ZW
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| Subject: | XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF |
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Good Luck,
Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and
basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about
it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at the
OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts soon,
even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within
a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for Lyc's.
The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the
weight is supposed to be close.
I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
informants.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
P.S., ECI has been GREAT to deal with, and I just purchased a new ECI engine
kit from Robbie Attaway for my -6. The $4,000.00 I saved over a Superior
bought me a new Hartzell C/S prop!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bluecavu@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
XP-IO360/FF sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
Time: 12:10:23 PM PST US
From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Subject: RV-List:
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Listers...
Hey All!
I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to procure one of these sumps
for use on my non-XP-360 Lycosaur. Apparently Superior has decided not to
offer
them on a parts basis -but only as part of a complete XP-360 engine. Well, I
want one. I know Superior has to support their product owners with
spares -any
XP-360 owners out there willing to act as a source/middleman. Superior is
gonna have to realize sooner or later that this policy is futile. If we
homebuilders want something, we always find a way to get it. We have friends
everywhere...
Scott
RV-4 N4ZW
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| Subject: | Battery box - securing battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" <gmcnutt@uniserve.com>
Hi Tom
See preview drawing 48A, there is a 3/4 X 3/4 angle with 1/8 UMHW strip
riveted to the inner top side of the battery box battery from shifting
upwards or touching the cover.
George McNutt
Langley BC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of thomas a.
sargent
Subject: RV-List: Battery box - securing battery
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
I have a circa 1999 RV-6A kit with the Battery box in the cabin. It
looks to me like the battery has to be restrained somehow or its
terminals could short to the inside top of the battery battery box. The
QB manual doesn't seem to mention battery installation.
One could rig some sort of strap I suppose, or perhaps attach some
blocks of wood or nylon to the inside of the box cover. They'd have to
have just the right thickness to hold down the battery when the cover
was secured.
1) What is the usual way of holding the battery out of harms way?
2) I suppose the battery cables will exit the box through large
grommeted holes in the side? Is there a better/safer way to do this?
Thanks.
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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| Subject: | XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF |
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Stein,
How are you defining "rudely" here? I talked to the Superior guy at Reno this year
and he was more than helpful. Of course I didn't ask him to sell me just the
sump, which is one of the major selling points of the XP-360. I think I might
get a little rude as well if someone asked to buy just the part that largely
makes their engine unique over the others.
I think anyone considering any kit engine should also check into insurance first.
If you have, please give us the details. I think this is very prudent after
one builder has had some recent trouble getting his New(not rebuilt) Aerosport
Power engine insured.
I guess it's all a matter of opinion.
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>Good Luck,
>
>Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and
>basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
>"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about
>it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at the
>OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts soon,
>even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
>parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
>
>Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within
>a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for Lyc's.
>The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the
>weight is supposed to be close.
>
>I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
>informants.
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>
>P.S., ECI has been GREAT to deal with, and I just purchased a new ECI engine
>kit from Robbie Attaway for my -6. The $4,000.00 I saved over a Superior
>bought me a new Hartzell C/S prop!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bluecavu@aol.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
>XP-IO360/FF sump question
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
>
>Time: 12:10:23 PM PST US
>From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>Subject: RV-List:
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
>Listers...
>
>Hey All!
>I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to procure one of these sumps
>for use on my non-XP-360 Lycosaur. Apparently Superior has decided not to
>offer
>them on a parts basis -but only as part of a complete XP-360 engine. Well, I
>want one. I know Superior has to support their product owners with
>spares -any
>XP-360 owners out there willing to act as a source/middleman. Superior is
>gonna have to realize sooner or later that this policy is futile. If we
>homebuilders want something, we always find a way to get it. We have friends
>everywhere...
>
>Scott
>RV-4 N4ZW
>
>
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| Subject: | XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF |
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi Ken,
Like you I had many past conversations with superior that were very good.
So good that I was still leaning towards selecting their engine. At OSH I
was still undecided about which engine; ECI or Superior to get.
So, I spent time at both booths asking them to honestly tell why I should
buy their engine, and please don't give me a line of "bull" because I've
been working with Lyco's for years. The ECI guys approached it like this:
They basically showed me the modifications they had made, and gave me some
good reasons. When asked about their products verses the "other guys", they
did't badmouth them at all, and in fact told me it was a good engine, but
the extra few thousand $$'s didn't really buy you anything additional.
When I approached the superior guys with the same method of inquiry, as soon
as I mentioned ECI they started telling me what a piece of crap (quote from
2 of the guys in the booth) the ECI engine was. Now I know that's not true,
I as well as MANY engine guys have been using ECI cylinders, etc... for
years and I'm currently flying behind a set of ECI cylinders. That was the
first turn off. A good company shouldn't have to bad mouth their
competition to get business, but instead rely on the strengths of their own
product. Next, I asked about buying some "parts", including the fwd facing
sump, and they just basically blew me off. After they found out I knew more
or as much about engines as they did, they didn't want to talk to me
anymore. When pressed about their historical reliability issues with the
older series Millenium cylinders, they also were quite distant and acted
like it didn't exist. That also is not true, ask any long time engine shop
about the older series Cylinders and you'll find most of them give you a ton
of examples.
Anyone who knows me can vouch that I'm not a rude and belligerent person (at
least not always), and if that was the case I don't think I would have had
such a drastic difference of experience between the two companies. The
marketing guys seemed to treat the "Lycoming challenged" ignorant people
very well (because they can), but as soon as you start mentioning their
competition or asking detailed questions, they got downright defensive.
In the end, I left with a very sour taste in my mouth, and not impressed
with the marketing guys they had in the booth (2 of them). I know for a
fact that their new engine is a good engine, as well as the ECI engine being
a good one too. I was just wondering what the extra $4,000.00 bought me in
a superior engine over an ECI (other than the plastic sump), and they
couldn't/wouldn't tell me. If they would have done a good job, I'd be
buying an SL-360 engine instead of the ECI. Good customer service means a
ton to me.
Regarding the insurance thing, I'll leave that to some other experts, but I
think that there have been a few false rumors flying around about people
"hearing about the guy......". Personally, it's not going to be a problem
for me (already checked with the insurance companies), so let's just leave
it at that. Maybe other people mileage will vary.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Simmons
Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was
Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Stein,
How are you defining "rudely" here? I talked to the Superior guy at Reno
this year and he was more than helpful. Of course I didn't ask him to sell
me just the sump, which is one of the major selling points of the XP-360. I
think I might get a little rude as well if someone asked to buy just the
part that largely makes their engine unique over the others.
I think anyone considering any kit engine should also check into insurance
first. If you have, please give us the details. I think this is very prudent
after one builder has had some recent trouble getting his New(not rebuilt)
Aerosport Power engine insured.
I guess it's all a matter of opinion.
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>Good Luck,
>
>Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and
>basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
>"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about
>it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at
the
>OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts
soon,
>even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
>parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
>
>Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within
>a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for
Lyc's.
>The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the
>weight is supposed to be close.
>
>I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
>informants.
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>
>P.S., ECI has been GREAT to deal with, and I just purchased a new ECI
engine
>kit from Robbie Attaway for my -6. The $4,000.00 I saved over a Superior
>bought me a new Hartzell C/S prop!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bluecavu@aol.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
>XP-IO360/FF sump question
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
>
>Time: 12:10:23 PM PST US
>From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>Subject: RV-List:
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
>Listers...
>
>Hey All!
>I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to procure one of these sumps
>for use on my non-XP-360 Lycosaur. Apparently Superior has decided not to
>offer
>them on a parts basis -but only as part of a complete XP-360 engine. Well,
I
>want one. I know Superior has to support their product owners with
>spares -any
>XP-360 owners out there willing to act as a source/middleman. Superior is
>gonna have to realize sooner or later that this policy is futile. If we
>homebuilders want something, we always find a way to get it. We have
friends
>everywhere...
>
>Scott
>RV-4 N4ZW
>
>
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| Subject: | XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF |
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Thanks for the reply Stein. I didn't intend my reply to be accusatory. I hope you
didn't take it that way. It's just that I'm very interested in this topic because
I'm close to purchasing the finish kit and engine and was leaning heavily
toward the Superior with the Ryton sump. I haven't talked to the ECI guys in
a while. I did talk to them at Reno last year and don't remember any impressions
one way or the other. I don't remember coming away saying that's the engine
I wanted. Sorry I can't be more specific than that. It's obvious now I need
to seriously rethink this.
I know you said lets leave it at that for the insurance, but I think that's an
important part of the equation. I'm certainly no expert, but I did hear it directly
from JT with the Vanguard program that the NEW Aerosport engines are not
covered, yet. They are working very hard to get them on the approved list. I
have no idea what their stance on kits are because I haven't asked. You've obviously
found a company that will insure the kit engine. That would be good information
to know. I think it would be fun and a good learning experience to build
my own engine (with some good advice of course), but I don't want to do that
at the expense of having an uninsurable aircraft.
Thanks again for the reply and I would be very interested in insurance companies
you've talked to about the kit.
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>Hi Ken,
>
>Like you I had many past conversations with superior that were very good.
>So good that I was still leaning towards selecting their engine. At OSH I
>was still undecided about which engine; ECI or Superior to get.
>
>So, I spent time at both booths asking them to honestly tell why I should
>buy their engine, and please don't give me a line of "bull" because I've
>been working with Lyco's for years. The ECI guys approached it like this:
>They basically showed me the modifications they had made, and gave me some
>good reasons. When asked about their products verses the "other guys", they
>did't badmouth them at all, and in fact told me it was a good engine, but
>the extra few thousand $$'s didn't really buy you anything additional.
>
>When I approached the superior guys with the same method of inquiry, as soon
>as I mentioned ECI they started telling me what a piece of crap (quote from
>2 of the guys in the booth) the ECI engine was. Now I know that's not true,
>I as well as MANY engine guys have been using ECI cylinders, etc... for
>years and I'm currently flying behind a set of ECI cylinders. That was the
>first turn off. A good company shouldn't have to bad mouth their
>competition to get business, but instead rely on the strengths of their own
>product. Next, I asked about buying some "parts", including the fwd facing
>sump, and they just basically blew me off. After they found out I knew more
>or as much about engines as they did, they didn't want to talk to me
>anymore. When pressed about their historical reliability issues with the
>older series Millenium cylinders, they also were quite distant and acted
>like it didn't exist. That also is not true, ask any long time engine shop
>about the older series Cylinders and you'll find most of them give you a ton
>of examples.
>
>Anyone who knows me can vouch that I'm not a rude and belligerent person (at
>least not always), and if that was the case I don't think I would have had
>such a drastic difference of experience between the two companies. The
>marketing guys seemed to treat the "Lycoming challenged" ignorant people
>very well (because they can), but as soon as you start mentioning their
>competition or asking detailed questions, they got downright defensive.
>
>In the end, I left with a very sour taste in my mouth, and not impressed
>with the marketing guys they had in the booth (2 of them). I know for a
>fact that their new engine is a good engine, as well as the ECI engine being
>a good one too. I was just wondering what the extra $4,000.00 bought me in
>a superior engine over an ECI (other than the plastic sump), and they
>couldn't/wouldn't tell me. If they would have done a good job, I'd be
>buying an SL-360 engine instead of the ECI. Good customer service means a
>ton to me.
>
>Regarding the insurance thing, I'll leave that to some other experts, but I
>think that there have been a few false rumors flying around about people
>"hearing about the guy......". Personally, it's not going to be a problem
>for me (already checked with the insurance companies), so let's just leave
>it at that. Maybe other people mileage will vary.
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>RV6's, Minneapolis.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Simmons
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was
>Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
>Stein,
>
>How are you defining "rudely" here? I talked to the Superior guy at Reno
>this year and he was more than helpful. Of course I didn't ask him to sell
>me just the sump, which is one of the major selling points of the XP-360. I
>think I might get a little rude as well if someone asked to buy just the
>part that largely makes their engine unique over the others.
>
>I think anyone considering any kit engine should also check into insurance
>first. If you have, please give us the details. I think this is very prudent
>after one builder has had some recent trouble getting his New(not rebuilt)
>Aerosport Power engine insured.
>
>I guess it's all a matter of opinion.
>
>Ken
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:13:53 -0500
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>>
>>Good Luck,
>>
>>Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and
>>basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
>>"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about
>>it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at
>the
>>OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts
>soon,
>>even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
>>parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
>>
>>Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within
>>a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for
>Lyc's.
>>The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the
>>weight is supposed to be close.
>>
>>I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
>>informants.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Stein Bruch
>>
>>P.S., ECI has been GREAT to deal with, and I just purchased a new ECI
>engine
>>kit from Robbie Attaway for my -6. The $4,000.00 I saved over a Superior
>>bought me a new Hartzell C/S prop!!
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bluecavu@aol.com
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
>>XP-IO360/FF sump question
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
>>
>>Time: 12:10:23 PM PST US
>>From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>>Subject: RV-List:
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>>
>>
>>Listers...
>>
>>Hey All!
>>I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to procure one of these sumps
>>for use on my non-XP-360 Lycosaur. Apparently Superior has decided not to
>>offer
>>them on a parts basis -but only as part of a complete XP-360 engine. Well,
>I
>>want one. I know Superior has to support their product owners with
>>spares -any
>>XP-360 owners out there willing to act as a source/middleman. Superior is
>>gonna have to realize sooner or later that this policy is futile. If we
>>homebuilders want something, we always find a way to get it. We have
>friends
>>everywhere...
>>
>>Scott
>>RV-4 N4ZW
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF |
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
This may be something that needs to be passed on to the Superior folks to
let them know how their marketing guys are losing business for them. They
may have a great engine; but, I wouldn't buy one from them for the reasons
you pointed out. I may have to look at ECI for my engine parts.
Jim Sears in KY
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
XP-IO360/FF sump question
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Like you I had many past conversations with superior that were very good.
> So good that I was still leaning towards selecting their engine. At OSH I
> was still undecided about which engine; ECI or Superior to get.
>
> So, I spent time at both booths asking them to honestly tell why I should
> buy their engine, and please don't give me a line of "bull" because I've
> been working with Lyco's for years. The ECI guys approached it like this:
> They basically showed me the modifications they had made, and gave me some
> good reasons. When asked about their products verses the "other guys",
they
> did't badmouth them at all, and in fact told me it was a good engine, but
> the extra few thousand $$'s didn't really buy you anything additional.
>
> When I approached the superior guys with the same method of inquiry, as
soon
> as I mentioned ECI they started telling me what a piece of crap (quote
from
> 2 of the guys in the booth) the ECI engine was. Now I know that's not
true,
> I as well as MANY engine guys have been using ECI cylinders, etc... for
> years and I'm currently flying behind a set of ECI cylinders. That was
the
> first turn off. A good company shouldn't have to bad mouth their
> competition to get business, but instead rely on the strengths of their
own
> product. Next, I asked about buying some "parts", including the fwd
facing
> sump, and they just basically blew me off. After they found out I knew
more
> or as much about engines as they did, they didn't want to talk to me
> anymore. When pressed about their historical reliability issues with the
> older series Millenium cylinders, they also were quite distant and acted
> like it didn't exist. That also is not true, ask any long time engine
shop
> about the older series Cylinders and you'll find most of them give you a
ton
> of examples.
>
> Anyone who knows me can vouch that I'm not a rude and belligerent person
(at
> least not always), and if that was the case I don't think I would have had
> such a drastic difference of experience between the two companies. The
> marketing guys seemed to treat the "Lycoming challenged" ignorant people
> very well (because they can), but as soon as you start mentioning their
> competition or asking detailed questions, they got downright defensive.
>
> In the end, I left with a very sour taste in my mouth, and not impressed
> with the marketing guys they had in the booth (2 of them). I know for a
> fact that their new engine is a good engine, as well as the ECI engine
being
> a good one too. I was just wondering what the extra $4,000.00 bought me
in
> a superior engine over an ECI (other than the plastic sump), and they
> couldn't/wouldn't tell me. If they would have done a good job, I'd be
> buying an SL-360 engine instead of the ECI. Good customer service means a
> ton to me.
>
> Regarding the insurance thing, I'll leave that to some other experts, but
I
> think that there have been a few false rumors flying around about people
> "hearing about the guy......". Personally, it's not going to be a problem
> for me (already checked with the insurance companies), so let's just leave
> it at that. Maybe other people mileage will vary.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
> RV6's, Minneapolis.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Simmons
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was
> Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
> Stein,
>
> How are you defining "rudely" here? I talked to the Superior guy at Reno
> this year and he was more than helpful. Of course I didn't ask him to sell
> me just the sump, which is one of the major selling points of the XP-360.
I
> think I might get a little rude as well if someone asked to buy just the
> part that largely makes their engine unique over the others.
>
> I think anyone considering any kit engine should also check into insurance
> first. If you have, please give us the details. I think this is very
prudent
> after one builder has had some recent trouble getting his New(not rebuilt)
> Aerosport Power engine insured.
>
> I guess it's all a matter of opinion.
>
> Ken
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:13:53 -0500
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> >
> >Good Luck,
> >
> >Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing,
and
> >basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
> >"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked
about
> >it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at
> the
> >OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts
> soon,
> >even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
> >parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
> >
> >Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly
(within
> >a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for
> Lyc's.
> >The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and
the
> >weight is supposed to be close.
> >
> >I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
> >informants.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Stein Bruch
> >
> >P.S., ECI has been GREAT to deal with, and I just purchased a new ECI
> engine
> >kit from Robbie Attaway for my -6. The $4,000.00 I saved over a Superior
> >bought me a new Hartzell C/S prop!!
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bluecavu@aol.com
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
> >XP-IO360/FF sump question
> >
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
> >
> >Time: 12:10:23 PM PST US
> >From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
> >Subject: RV-List:
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
> >
> >
> >Listers...
> >
> >Hey All!
> >I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to procure one of these
sumps
> >for use on my non-XP-360 Lycosaur. Apparently Superior has decided not to
> >offer
> >them on a parts basis -but only as part of a complete XP-360 engine.
Well,
> I
> >want one. I know Superior has to support their product owners with
> >spares -any
> >XP-360 owners out there willing to act as a source/middleman. Superior is
> >gonna have to realize sooner or later that this policy is futile. If we
> >homebuilders want something, we always find a way to get it. We have
> friends
> >everywhere...
> >
> >Scott
> >RV-4 N4ZW
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "ray sheffield" <rv8a@csranet.com>
70cm-78 sensenich propeller for sale less than 200 hrs.
complete with spinner, spacer, bolts, and plates. For a lycoming 0-320 160
hp.
$1500 like new
803-663-9974 Jerry Berger south carolina
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| Subject: | Harness shootout - Hooker vs. Schroth |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi,
I'm trying to decide on the seat belts I'll use on my RV8,
and the Hooker and the Schroth are on my short list.
The Hooker w/rotary buckle (340USD/seat) is much cheaper
than the Schroth (470USD front, 495USD rear). Though
I almost never try to economize on safety, I'm trying to
figure out why the Schroth is so much more. If they are
better/safer, I'll buy them, but it's not clear to me
that that is the case. Anyone have any info on this?
http://www.karasengineering.com/Experimental%20List%20page.htm
http://www.hookerharness.com/price_list.htm
Thanks,
Mickey
--
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http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
I keep seeing a $4000 dollar difference being mentioned between the Superior
and the ECI? I'm not finding this difference in their quoted prices. What
gives?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
XP-IO360/FF sump question
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Like you I had many past conversations with superior that were very good.
> So good that I was still leaning towards selecting their engine. At OSH I
> was still undecided about which engine; ECI or Superior to get.
>
> So, I spent time at both booths asking them to honestly tell why I should
> buy their engine, and please don't give me a line of "bull" because I've
> been working with Lyco's for years. The ECI guys approached it like this:
> They basically showed me the modifications they had made, and gave me some
> good reasons. When asked about their products verses the "other guys",
they
> did't badmouth them at all, and in fact told me it was a good engine, but
> the extra few thousand $$'s didn't really buy you anything additional.
>
> When I approached the superior guys with the same method of inquiry, as
soon
> as I mentioned ECI they started telling me what a piece of crap (quote
from
> 2 of the guys in the booth) the ECI engine was. Now I know that's not
true,
> I as well as MANY engine guys have been using ECI cylinders, etc... for
> years and I'm currently flying behind a set of ECI cylinders. That was
the
> first turn off. A good company shouldn't have to bad mouth their
> competition to get business, but instead rely on the strengths of their
own
> product. Next, I asked about buying some "parts", including the fwd
facing
> sump, and they just basically blew me off. After they found out I knew
more
> or as much about engines as they did, they didn't want to talk to me
> anymore. When pressed about their historical reliability issues with the
> older series Millenium cylinders, they also were quite distant and acted
> like it didn't exist. That also is not true, ask any long time engine
shop
> about the older series Cylinders and you'll find most of them give you a
ton
> of examples.
>
> Anyone who knows me can vouch that I'm not a rude and belligerent person
(at
> least not always), and if that was the case I don't think I would have had
> such a drastic difference of experience between the two companies. The
> marketing guys seemed to treat the "Lycoming challenged" ignorant people
> very well (because they can), but as soon as you start mentioning their
> competition or asking detailed questions, they got downright defensive.
>
> In the end, I left with a very sour taste in my mouth, and not impressed
> with the marketing guys they had in the booth (2 of them). I know for a
> fact that their new engine is a good engine, as well as the ECI engine
being
> a good one too. I was just wondering what the extra $4,000.00 bought me
in
> a superior engine over an ECI (other than the plastic sump), and they
> couldn't/wouldn't tell me. If they would have done a good job, I'd be
> buying an SL-360 engine instead of the ECI. Good customer service means a
> ton to me.
>
> Regarding the insurance thing, I'll leave that to some other experts, but
I
> think that there have been a few false rumors flying around about people
> "hearing about the guy......". Personally, it's not going to be a problem
> for me (already checked with the insurance companies), so let's just leave
> it at that. Maybe other people mileage will vary.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
> RV6's, Minneapolis.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Simmons
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was
> Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
> Stein,
>
> How are you defining "rudely" here? I talked to the Superior guy at Reno
> this year and he was more than helpful. Of course I didn't ask him to sell
> me just the sump, which is one of the major selling points of the XP-360.
I
> think I might get a little rude as well if someone asked to buy just the
> part that largely makes their engine unique over the others.
>
> I think anyone considering any kit engine should also check into insurance
> first. If you have, please give us the details. I think this is very
prudent
> after one builder has had some recent trouble getting his New(not rebuilt)
> Aerosport Power engine insured.
>
> I guess it's all a matter of opinion.
>
> Ken
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:13:53 -0500
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> >
> >Good Luck,
> >
> >Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing,
and
> >basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
> >"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked
about
> >it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at
> the
> >OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts
> soon,
> >even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
> >parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
> >
> >Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly
(within
> >a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for
> Lyc's.
> >The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and
the
> >weight is supposed to be close.
> >
> >I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
> >informants.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Stein Bruch
> >
> >P.S., ECI has been GREAT to deal with, and I just purchased a new ECI
> engine
> >kit from Robbie Attaway for my -6. The $4,000.00 I saved over a Superior
> >bought me a new Hartzell C/S prop!!
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bluecavu@aol.com
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
> >XP-IO360/FF sump question
> >
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
> >
> >Time: 12:10:23 PM PST US
> >From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
> >Subject: RV-List:
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
> >
> >
> >Listers...
> >
> >Hey All!
> >I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to procure one of these
sumps
> >for use on my non-XP-360 Lycosaur. Apparently Superior has decided not to
> >offer
> >them on a parts basis -but only as part of a complete XP-360 engine.
Well,
> I
> >want one. I know Superior has to support their product owners with
> >spares -any
> >XP-360 owners out there willing to act as a source/middleman. Superior is
> >gonna have to realize sooner or later that this policy is futile. If we
> >homebuilders want something, we always find a way to get it. We have
> friends
> >everywhere...
> >
> >Scott
> >RV-4 N4ZW
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
I checked the archives did not find the answer. My fuel pressure varies
between 6 and 0 with no consistency. Why does it do this and should I be
doing something about it?
Thanks,
John Furey RV6A O-320
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| Subject: | Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF |
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
I keep seeing a $4000 dollar difference being mentioned between the Superior
and the ECI? I'm not finding this difference in their quoted prices. What
gives?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
XP-IO360/FF sump question
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Like you I had many past conversations with superior that were very good.
> So good that I was still leaning towards selecting their engine. At OSH I
> was still undecided about which engine; ECI or Superior to get.
>
> So, I spent time at both booths asking them to honestly tell why I should
> buy their engine, and please don't give me a line of "bull" because I've
> been working with Lyco's for years. The ECI guys approached it like this:
> They basically showed me the modifications they had made, and gave me some
> good reasons. When asked about their products verses the "other guys",
they
> did't badmouth them at all, and in fact told me it was a good engine, but
> the extra few thousand $$'s didn't really buy you anything additional.
>
> When I approached the superior guys with the same method of inquiry, as
soon
> as I mentioned ECI they started telling me what a piece of crap (quote
from
> 2 of the guys in the booth) the ECI engine was. Now I know that's not
true,
> I as well as MANY engine guys have been using ECI cylinders, etc... for
> years and I'm currently flying behind a set of ECI cylinders. That was
the
> first turn off. A good company shouldn't have to bad mouth their
> competition to get business, but instead rely on the strengths of their
own
> product. Next, I asked about buying some "parts", including the fwd
facing
> sump, and they just basically blew me off. After they found out I knew
more
> or as much about engines as they did, they didn't want to talk to me
> anymore. When pressed about their historical reliability issues with the
> older series Millenium cylinders, they also were quite distant and acted
> like it didn't exist. That also is not true, ask any long time engine
shop
> about the older series Cylinders and you'll find most of them give you a
ton
> of examples.
>
> Anyone who knows me can vouch that I'm not a rude and belligerent person
(at
> least not always), and if that was the case I don't think I would have had
> such a drastic difference of experience between the two companies. The
> marketing guys seemed to treat the "Lycoming challenged" ignorant people
> very well (because they can), but as soon as you start mentioning their
> competition or asking detailed questions, they got downright defensive.
>
> In the end, I left with a very sour taste in my mouth, and not impressed
> with the marketing guys they had in the booth (2 of them). I know for a
> fact that their new engine is a good engine, as well as the ECI engine
being
> a good one too. I was just wondering what the extra $4,000.00 bought me
in
> a superior engine over an ECI (other than the plastic sump), and they
> couldn't/wouldn't tell me. If they would have done a good job, I'd be
> buying an SL-360 engine instead of the ECI. Good customer service means a
> ton to me.
>
> Regarding the insurance thing, I'll leave that to some other experts, but
I
> think that there have been a few false rumors flying around about people
> "hearing about the guy......". Personally, it's not going to be a problem
> for me (already checked with the insurance companies), so let's just leave
> it at that. Maybe other people mileage will vary.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
> RV6's, Minneapolis.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Simmons
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was
> Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
> Stein,
>
> How are you defining "rudely" here? I talked to the Superior guy at Reno
> this year and he was more than helpful. Of course I didn't ask him to sell
> me just the sump, which is one of the major selling points of the XP-360.
I
> think I might get a little rude as well if someone asked to buy just the
> part that largely makes their engine unique over the others.
>
> I think anyone considering any kit engine should also check into insurance
> first. If you have, please give us the details. I think this is very
prudent
> after one builder has had some recent trouble getting his New(not rebuilt)
> Aerosport Power engine insured.
>
> I guess it's all a matter of opinion.
>
> Ken
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:13:53 -0500
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> >
> >Good Luck,
> >
> >Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing,
and
> >basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
> >"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked
about
> >it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at
> the
> >OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts
> soon,
> >even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
> >parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
> >
> >Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly
(within
> >a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for
> Lyc's.
> >The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and
the
> >weight is supposed to be close.
> >
> >I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
> >informants.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Stein Bruch
> >
> >P.S., ECI has been GREAT to deal with, and I just purchased a new ECI
> engine
> >kit from Robbie Attaway for my -6. The $4,000.00 I saved over a Superior
> >bought me a new Hartzell C/S prop!!
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bluecavu@aol.com
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
> >XP-IO360/FF sump question
> >
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
> >
> >Time: 12:10:23 PM PST US
> >From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
> >Subject: RV-List:
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
> >
> >
> >Listers...
> >
> >Hey All!
> >I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to procure one of these
sumps
> >for use on my non-XP-360 Lycosaur. Apparently Superior has decided not to
> >offer
> >them on a parts basis -but only as part of a complete XP-360 engine.
Well,
> I
> >want one. I know Superior has to support their product owners with
> >spares -any
> >XP-360 owners out there willing to act as a source/middleman. Superior is
> >gonna have to realize sooner or later that this policy is futile. If we
> >homebuilders want something, we always find a way to get it. We have
> friends
> >everywhere...
> >
> >Scott
> >RV-4 N4ZW
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF |
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <bpa@BPAENGINES.COM>
Ken -
I have seen your recent thread on engine selection for your RV and wanted to
invite you to our website, www.bpaengines.com, to look at Lycoming's
IO-390-X kit engine.
We are the sole supplier of this engine and have sold several to the RV
crowd, with excellent feedback. Dick Martin has one in his RV-8 and loves
the 210 hp.
Please feel free to drop us a note or give us a call if you'd like any
additional information.
Regards,
Allen Barrett
Barrett Performance Aircraft, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Simmons
Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
XP-IO360/FF sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Thanks for the reply Stein. I didn't intend my reply to be accusatory. I
hope you didn't take it that way. It's just that I'm very interested in this
topic because I'm close to purchasing the finish kit and engine and was
leaning heavily toward the Superior with the Ryton sump. I haven't talked to
the ECI guys in a while. I did talk to them at Reno last year and don't
remember any impressions one way or the other. I don't remember coming away
saying that's the engine I wanted. Sorry I can't be more specific than that.
It's obvious now I need to seriously rethink this.
I know you said lets leave it at that for the insurance, but I think that's
an important part of the equation. I'm certainly no expert, but I did hear
it directly from JT with the Vanguard program that the NEW Aerosport engines
are not covered, yet. They are working very hard to get them on the approved
list. I have no idea what their stance on kits are because I haven't asked.
You've obviously found a company that will insure the kit engine. That would
be good information to know. I think it would be fun and a good learning
experience to build my own engine (with some good advice of course), but I
don't want to do that at the expense of having an uninsurable aircraft.
Thanks again for the reply and I would be very interested in insurance
companies you've talked to about the kit.
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>Hi Ken,
>
>Like you I had many past conversations with superior that were very good.
>So good that I was still leaning towards selecting their engine. At OSH I
>was still undecided about which engine; ECI or Superior to get.
>
>So, I spent time at both booths asking them to honestly tell why I should
>buy their engine, and please don't give me a line of "bull" because I've
>been working with Lyco's for years. The ECI guys approached it like this:
>They basically showed me the modifications they had made, and gave me some
>good reasons. When asked about their products verses the "other guys",
they
>did't badmouth them at all, and in fact told me it was a good engine, but
>the extra few thousand $$'s didn't really buy you anything additional.
>
>When I approached the superior guys with the same method of inquiry, as
soon
>as I mentioned ECI they started telling me what a piece of crap (quote from
>2 of the guys in the booth) the ECI engine was. Now I know that's not
true,
>I as well as MANY engine guys have been using ECI cylinders, etc... for
>years and I'm currently flying behind a set of ECI cylinders. That was the
>first turn off. A good company shouldn't have to bad mouth their
>competition to get business, but instead rely on the strengths of their own
>product. Next, I asked about buying some "parts", including the fwd
facing
>sump, and they just basically blew me off. After they found out I knew
more
>or as much about engines as they did, they didn't want to talk to me
>anymore. When pressed about their historical reliability issues with the
>older series Millenium cylinders, they also were quite distant and acted
>like it didn't exist. That also is not true, ask any long time engine shop
>about the older series Cylinders and you'll find most of them give you a
ton
>of examples.
>
>Anyone who knows me can vouch that I'm not a rude and belligerent person
(at
>least not always), and if that was the case I don't think I would have had
>such a drastic difference of experience between the two companies. The
>marketing guys seemed to treat the "Lycoming challenged" ignorant people
>very well (because they can), but as soon as you start mentioning their
>competition or asking detailed questions, they got downright defensive.
>
>In the end, I left with a very sour taste in my mouth, and not impressed
>with the marketing guys they had in the booth (2 of them). I know for a
>fact that their new engine is a good engine, as well as the ECI engine
being
>a good one too. I was just wondering what the extra $4,000.00 bought me in
>a superior engine over an ECI (other than the plastic sump), and they
>couldn't/wouldn't tell me. If they would have done a good job, I'd be
>buying an SL-360 engine instead of the ECI. Good customer service means a
>ton to me.
>
>Regarding the insurance thing, I'll leave that to some other experts, but I
>think that there have been a few false rumors flying around about people
>"hearing about the guy......". Personally, it's not going to be a problem
>for me (already checked with the insurance companies), so let's just leave
>it at that. Maybe other people mileage will vary.
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>RV6's, Minneapolis.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Simmons
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was
>Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
>Stein,
>
>How are you defining "rudely" here? I talked to the Superior guy at Reno
>this year and he was more than helpful. Of course I didn't ask him to sell
>me just the sump, which is one of the major selling points of the XP-360. I
>think I might get a little rude as well if someone asked to buy just the
>part that largely makes their engine unique over the others.
>
>I think anyone considering any kit engine should also check into insurance
>first. If you have, please give us the details. I think this is very
prudent
>after one builder has had some recent trouble getting his New(not rebuilt)
>Aerosport Power engine insured.
>
>I guess it's all a matter of opinion.
>
>Ken
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:13:53 -0500
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>>
>>Good Luck,
>>
>>Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing,
and
>>basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
>>"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked
about
>>it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at
>the
>>OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts
>soon,
>>even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
>>parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
>>
>>Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly
(within
>>a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for
>Lyc's.
>>The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and
the
>>weight is supposed to be close.
>>
>>I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
>>informants.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Stein Bruch
>>
>>P.S., ECI has been GREAT to deal with, and I just purchased a new ECI
>engine
>>kit from Robbie Attaway for my -6. The $4,000.00 I saved over a Superior
>>bought me a new Hartzell C/S prop!!
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bluecavu@aol.com
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
>>XP-IO360/FF sump question
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
>>
>>Time: 12:10:23 PM PST US
>>From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>>Subject: RV-List:
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>>
>>
>>Listers...
>>
>>Hey All!
>>I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to procure one of these sumps
>>for use on my non-XP-360 Lycosaur. Apparently Superior has decided not to
>>offer
>>them on a parts basis -but only as part of a complete XP-360 engine. Well,
>I
>>want one. I know Superior has to support their product owners with
>>spares -any
>>XP-360 owners out there willing to act as a source/middleman. Superior is
>>gonna have to realize sooner or later that this policy is futile. If we
>>homebuilders want something, we always find a way to get it. We have
>friends
>>everywhere...
>>
>>Scott
>>RV-4 N4ZW
>>
>>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: RV4WGH@aol.com
Suzuki Samari alternator, 55 amps, lifetime warranty.
Autozone. Go online and save $30. I paid $96 plus $50 core charge delivered.
Wally Hunt
RV-4 Finishing Kit
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pressure |
--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I would check the suction side of the fuel system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Subject: RV-List: Fuel Pressure
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
>
> I checked the archives did not find the answer. My fuel pressure varies
> between 6 and 0 with no consistency. Why does it do this and should I be
> doing something about it?
>
> Thanks,
> John Furey RV6A O-320
>
>
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| Subject: | XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF |
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us
I have already expressed my unhappiness with Superior directly to them. I
was interested in their TIO-360 for over a year before I started building.
They provided continueing encouragement and promises that the engine would
be available by October of 2003, then early 2004, then mid 2004 etc. Well,
it didn't become available and when one finially did, as you all know,
Superior decided to sell through an completley different channel -- to
Lanciar builders only for the time being. The point is, they knew for a
long time that the engine would not be ready in time for my needs, but they
kept leading me on.
I have no intention of doing business with them even though I believe their
product is good. As an RV builder, I certainly don't feel they have
supported us.
At this point, I believe my choice will be BPA (Barrett).
Kathleen Evans
www.rv7.us
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sears@searnet.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
XP-IO360/FF sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
This may be something that needs to be passed on to the Superior folks to
let them know how their marketing guys are losing business for them. They
may have a great engine; but, I wouldn't buy one from them for the reasons
you pointed out. I may have to look at ECI for my engine parts.
Jim Sears in KY
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
XP-IO360/FF sump question
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Like you I had many past conversations with superior that were very good.
> So good that I was still leaning towards selecting their engine. At OSH I
> was still undecided about which engine; ECI or Superior to get.
>
> So, I spent time at both booths asking them to honestly tell why I should
> buy their engine, and please don't give me a line of "bull" because I've
> been working with Lyco's for years. The ECI guys approached it like this:
> They basically showed me the modifications they had made, and gave me some
> good reasons. When asked about their products verses the "other guys",
they
> did't badmouth them at all, and in fact told me it was a good engine, but
> the extra few thousand $$'s didn't really buy you anything additional.
>
> When I approached the superior guys with the same method of inquiry, as
soon
> as I mentioned ECI they started telling me what a piece of crap (quote
from
> 2 of the guys in the booth) the ECI engine was. Now I know that's not
true,
> I as well as MANY engine guys have been using ECI cylinders, etc... for
> years and I'm currently flying behind a set of ECI cylinders. That was
the
> first turn off. A good company shouldn't have to bad mouth their
> competition to get business, but instead rely on the strengths of their
own
> product. Next, I asked about buying some "parts", including the fwd
facing
> sump, and they just basically blew me off. After they found out I knew
more
> or as much about engines as they did, they didn't want to talk to me
> anymore. When pressed about their historical reliability issues with the
> older series Millenium cylinders, they also were quite distant and acted
> like it didn't exist. That also is not true, ask any long time engine
shop
> about the older series Cylinders and you'll find most of them give you a
ton
> of examples.
>
> Anyone who knows me can vouch that I'm not a rude and belligerent person
(at
> least not always), and if that was the case I don't think I would have had
> such a drastic difference of experience between the two companies. The
> marketing guys seemed to treat the "Lycoming challenged" ignorant people
> very well (because they can), but as soon as you start mentioning their
> competition or asking detailed questions, they got downright defensive.
>
> In the end, I left with a very sour taste in my mouth, and not impressed
> with the marketing guys they had in the booth (2 of them). I know for a
> fact that their new engine is a good engine, as well as the ECI engine
being
> a good one too. I was just wondering what the extra $4,000.00 bought me
in
> a superior engine over an ECI (other than the plastic sump), and they
> couldn't/wouldn't tell me. If they would have done a good job, I'd be
> buying an SL-360 engine instead of the ECI. Good customer service means a
> ton to me.
>
> Regarding the insurance thing, I'll leave that to some other experts, but
I
> think that there have been a few false rumors flying around about people
> "hearing about the guy......". Personally, it's not going to be a problem
> for me (already checked with the insurance companies), so let's just leave
> it at that. Maybe other people mileage will vary.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
> RV6's, Minneapolis.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Simmons
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was
> Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
> Stein,
>
> How are you defining "rudely" here? I talked to the Superior guy at Reno
> this year and he was more than helpful. Of course I didn't ask him to sell
> me just the sump, which is one of the major selling points of the XP-360.
I
> think I might get a little rude as well if someone asked to buy just the
> part that largely makes their engine unique over the others.
>
> I think anyone considering any kit engine should also check into insurance
> first. If you have, please give us the details. I think this is very
prudent
> after one builder has had some recent trouble getting his New(not rebuilt)
> Aerosport Power engine insured.
>
> I guess it's all a matter of opinion.
>
> Ken
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:13:53 -0500
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> >
> >Good Luck,
> >
> >Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing,
and
> >basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
> >"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked
about
> >it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at
> the
> >OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts
> soon,
> >even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
> >parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
> >
> >Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly
(within
> >a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for
> Lyc's.
> >The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and
the
> >weight is supposed to be close.
> >
> >I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
> >informants.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Stein Bruch
> >
> >P.S., ECI has been GREAT to deal with, and I just purchased a new ECI
> engine
> >kit from Robbie Attaway for my -6. The $4,000.00 I saved over a Superior
> >bought me a new Hartzell C/S prop!!
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bluecavu@aol.com
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
> >XP-IO360/FF sump question
> >
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
> >
> >Time: 12:10:23 PM PST US
> >From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
> >Subject: RV-List:
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
> >
> >
> >Listers...
> >
> >Hey All!
> >I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to procure one of these
sumps
> >for use on my non-XP-360 Lycosaur. Apparently Superior has decided not to
> >offer
> >them on a parts basis -but only as part of a complete XP-360 engine.
Well,
> I
> >want one. I know Superior has to support their product owners with
> >spares -any
> >XP-360 owners out there willing to act as a source/middleman. Superior is
> >gonna have to realize sooner or later that this policy is futile. If we
> >homebuilders want something, we always find a way to get it. We have
> friends
> >everywhere...
> >
> >Scott
> >RV-4 N4ZW
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Harness shootout - Hooker vs. Schroth |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dale Mitchell <dfm4290@yahoo.com>
You might want to check out crow harness.
Here is a link.
I have not used them but it looks like an interesting
option.
http://www.magnumforceracing.com/crowharness.asp
Dale
--- Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins
> <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to decide on the seat belts I'll use on
> my RV8,
> and the Hooker and the Schroth are on my short list.
>
>
> The Hooker w/rotary buckle (340USD/seat) is much
> cheaper
> than the Schroth (470USD front, 495USD rear).
> Though
> I almost never try to economize on safety, I'm
> trying to
> figure out why the Schroth is so much more. If they
> are
> better/safer, I'll buy them, but it's not clear to
> me
> that that is the case. Anyone have any info on
> this?
>
>
http://www.karasengineering.com/Experimental%20List%20page.htm
>
> http://www.hookerharness.com/price_list.htm
>
> Thanks,
> Mickey
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
I've personally been told by my agent at NationAir that my aircraft would not be
covered with the SL engine, but the XP is fine. Lycomings are fine also. Whether
or not the ECI is covered is up to the insurer, whoever that might be. I
did not hear this from a guy who heard it from a guy, etc. , but rather, first
hand from my agent.
I am certainly not claiming one engine to be better than another, but unfortuntely
the insurance companies are making the rules here. Therefore we really should
consult with them BEFORE the fact.
One more point: I don't think the law compels a person to insure their aircraft,
but if it's held as collateral on a loan the bank will require full coverage.
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| Subject: | Harness shootout - Hooker vs. Schroth |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Hi Mickey,
We have Hooker's 5 point with the schroth buckle. Great belts and Hooker has
been great to deal with when we asked them to change the pad colors. We
purchased them from team rocket and they were considerably less expensive
than the ones from Schroth. I agree with you about not short changing
yourself on safety.
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A (300+hours)
>From: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Harness shootout - Hooker vs. Schroth
>Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:20:01 +0200
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm trying to decide on the seat belts I'll use on my RV8,
>and the Hooker and the Schroth are on my short list.
>
>The Hooker w/rotary buckle (340USD/seat) is much cheaper
>than the Schroth (470USD front, 495USD rear). Though
>I almost never try to economize on safety, I'm trying to
>figure out why the Schroth is so much more. If they are
>better/safer, I'll buy them, but it's not clear to me
>that that is the case. Anyone have any info on this?
>
>http://www.karasengineering.com/Experimental%20List%20page.htm
>
>http://www.hookerharness.com/price_list.htm
>
>Thanks,
>Mickey
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | I've finally got my XCOM 760 Radio |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
John,
How's the radio holding out?
Anyone else get one of these?
----Original Message Follows----
From: <John.Morrissey@csiro.au>
Subject: RV-List: I've finally got my XCOM 760 Radio
--> RV-List message posted by: <John.Morrissey@csiro.au>
Hi All,
When I got home last night I was pleased to see that my XCOM 760 radio
had finally arrived (Serial Number 16). Despite the late hour I hade the
unit hooked up to my base station aerial within an hour or two and all
appears well. Had a couple of conversations with a couple of late night
commuters and they reported good reception. I found the controls to be
reasonably logical and easy to use. Off to the plane on the weekend for
some air trials.
Cheers
John Morrissey
Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and
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| Subject: | Re: Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dick Jordan" <mkejrj@erols.com>
Jerry,
I replied off list , directly to your address , with my installation of
the throttle mechanism as you requested. The EMail was returned undelivered.
I have several photos of the installation as well as a crude drawing of
the mechanism which you may be interested in.
Can you give me a working EMail or Snail Mail address ?
Best wishes,
Dick Jordan
RV8A Finishing
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jerry2DT@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
> Listers...
>
> I have a Superior XP-IO360 with the new Ryton plastic forward facing
sump.
> If anyone has the same setup, and has pix to share, I would be curious to
see
> where/how the bracket for throttle cable was mounted. Van's bracket
doesn't
> seem to fit. Email off list if you wish at _jerry2dt@aol.com_
> (mailto:jerry2dt@aol.com) .
>
> Thanx.
>
> Jerry Cochran
>
>
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| Subject: | Off Topic - XPrize |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Duckett <perfeng@3rivers.net>
Okay Guys it's time to pressure Van as to when the RV-? transatmospheric
prototype will be underway in the "Skunkworks".
This morning the doors to the shop were closed as we all watched Burt
Rutan's design "Spaceship One" become the first non-government
sponsored, heck the first any sponsored ship, do a less than two week
turn around into space for the second time and win the X-Prize.
Does this mean that the EAA is now also the Experimental Aerospace
Association?
Jim Duckett, a non-government funded Experimental Aircraft
Builder...Now, more than ever...damn proud of it!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
I could be wrong, but this doesn't look like anything that is available
from Dynon. Maybe you know different. Dynon hasn't admitted anything
about being a part of the Tier-One project. I would think that they
would want everyone to know that they were participating in a "civilian
in space" program.
http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/data_sheets/html/flight_nav.htm
The things that I marvel about are the fact that they were able to
achieve all of the this within 9 years. They did it with a two vehicles
that were purpose designed and built with minimal manufacturing crew.
It took NASA many, many more man years to achieve similar results with
the X-15 using an existing bomber for the mother ship. SS1 has a
pressurized cockpit. I don't think the X-15 did. Nitrous Oxide and tire
rubber! Amazing! NASA officials must be cringing. Just wait for press
fallout from next budget assessment for Shuttle.
Though, I haven't seen the Discovery Channel production yet, as far as
off-the-shelf hardware and such are concerned, don't believe for a
minute that this was a "homebuilt" project using stuff that you can get
for a few bucks at Aircraft Spruce (though, that might've happened a
few times). Experimental it was for certain, but not homebuilt. No
one's garage was used. There were no "layups-over-foam." Probably lots
and lots of autoclaved carbon-fiber. People were paid for doing work
the entire time. It cost one billionaire $20M to earn $10M. Not that
the money made any difference. How many of you think that your project
is a small investment? This stuff is revolutionary and very expensive.
My hat is off to them for pulling it together. But, it ain't homebuilt.
tw
Do Not Archive.
On Oct 3, 2004, at 9:13 PM, Donald Mei wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
>
> The Rutan boys have released videos of they're successful first X-prize
> launch last week. I was watching it and noticed something really
> cool. I
> heard that there was a Dynon EFIS on board but there it was in the
> video.
>
> So I paused the video and holy @#$% what is that. Why, its a Garmin
> GPS 196
> on the glare shield. NASA would use a $21,000,000 custom ring laser
> gyro
> inertial system, but these guys used an off the shelf handheld GPS.
> Now I
> just wonder where they mounted the antenna.
>
> By the way, details, the video is here:
>
> http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/video/X-Prize-flight-1.wmv
>
> The scene where the Dynon and Garmin are visible is 1:30 into it.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Terry Williams wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
>
> I could be wrong, but this doesn't look like anything that is available
> from Dynon. Maybe you know different. Dynon hasn't admitted anything
> about being a part of the Tier-One project.
I believe they have:
http://www.dynondevelopment.com/docs/spacenews1.html
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF |
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Well, during my recent search for an engine, the cheapest I could find a
Superior engine was around $19-22+K range. ECI had a special at OSH with
engines starting at about $13-15K, and yes you also can get the ECI engines
assembled for next to nothing with the same warranties as the superior
engines. I'm building up my own, but for those choosing a pre-built engine,
they still come out cheaper, even with the accessories and warranties. Once
again, I'm not bashing the superior engine, just a few of their marketing
folks - Their engine is a fine engine, and I have nothing ill to say about
the engine (only the company/people).
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of steve zicree
Subject: Re: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was
Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
I keep seeing a $4000 dollar difference being mentioned between the Superior
and the ECI? I'm not finding this difference in their quoted prices. What
gives?
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| Subject: | Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
It appears to me that a dynon is mounted up high above the primary
flight display. I pointed this out to my wife last night while watching
the 2 hour special on Discovery. I don't think this was there on
Melville's first flight before Oshkosh when the primary display blinked
out.
GZ
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>Terry Williams wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
>>
>>I could be wrong, but this doesn't look like anything that is available
>>from Dynon. Maybe you know different. Dynon hasn't admitted anything
>>about being a part of the Tier-One project.
>>
>>
>
>
>I believe they have:
>
>http://www.dynondevelopment.com/docs/spacenews1.html
>
>Sam Buchanan
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
Being a Long-EZ builder (22 years ago - and still flying) I have to disagree
about the "not homebuilt stuff". I was at Burt's birthday party last year
and we all (400 of us) got a private tour of the hangar and got to touch and
feel the White Knight and SpaceShipOne. Burt banged his fist on the side of
the White Knight and said "This is exactly the same foam and fiberglass
technique that you used to build your Long-EZ". In the SpaceShipOne they
used a lot of carbon fiber to keep it light, but it was all basic fiberglass
(carbon) lay-ups. In the TV program they showed them mating the pieces and
doing hand lay-ups to fasten them together (just like I did over 20 years
ago). Twenty years ago it wasn't rocket science - now it is!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Williams
Subject: Re: RV-List: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One
--> RV-List message posted by: Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
I could be wrong, but this doesn't look like anything that is available
from Dynon. Maybe you know different. Dynon hasn't admitted anything
about being a part of the Tier-One project. I would think that they
would want everyone to know that they were participating in a "civilian
in space" program.
http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/data_sheets/html/flight_nav.htm
The things that I marvel about are the fact that they were able to
achieve all of the this within 9 years. They did it with a two vehicles
that were purpose designed and built with minimal manufacturing crew.
It took NASA many, many more man years to achieve similar results with
the X-15 using an existing bomber for the mother ship. SS1 has a
pressurized cockpit. I don't think the X-15 did. Nitrous Oxide and tire
rubber! Amazing! NASA officials must be cringing. Just wait for press
fallout from next budget assessment for Shuttle.
Though, I haven't seen the Discovery Channel production yet, as far as
off-the-shelf hardware and such are concerned, don't believe for a
minute that this was a "homebuilt" project using stuff that you can get
for a few bucks at Aircraft Spruce (though, that might've happened a
few times). Experimental it was for certain, but not homebuilt. No
one's garage was used. There were no "layups-over-foam." Probably lots
and lots of autoclaved carbon-fiber. People were paid for doing work
the entire time. It cost one billionaire $20M to earn $10M. Not that
the money made any difference. How many of you think that your project
is a small investment? This stuff is revolutionary and very expensive.
My hat is off to them for pulling it together. But, it ain't homebuilt.
tw
Do Not Archive.
On Oct 3, 2004, at 9:13 PM, Donald Mei wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
>
> The Rutan boys have released videos of they're successful first X-prize
> launch last week. I was watching it and noticed something really
> cool. I
> heard that there was a Dynon EFIS on board but there it was in the
> video.
>
> So I paused the video and holy @#$% what is that. Why, its a Garmin
> GPS 196
> on the glare shield. NASA would use a $21,000,000 custom ring laser
> gyro
> inertial system, but these guys used an off the shelf handheld GPS.
> Now I
> just wonder where they mounted the antenna.
>
> By the way, details, the video is here:
>
> http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/video/X-Prize-flight-1.wmv
>
> The scene where the Dynon and Garmin are visible is 1:30 into it.
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
Very cool!!!
I didn't realize that.
tw
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On Oct 4, 2004, at 5:40 PM, Sam Buchanan wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> Terry Williams wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
>>
>> I could be wrong, but this doesn't look like anything that is
>> available
>> from Dynon. Maybe you know different. Dynon hasn't admitted anything
>> about being a part of the Tier-One project.
>
>
> I believe they have:
>
> http://www.dynondevelopment.com/docs/spacenews1.html
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
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| Subject: | Re: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF |
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Thorne" <rv7a@cox.net>
Stein, sometimes sales reps like that are a blessing in disguise if a
certain fast glass co. in Oregon didn't have a couple of reps like that at
OSH in '99 I would be on a different list. I'm glad I'm here.
Jim Thorne
7A-QB
CHD
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| Subject: | Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
I stand corrected. Thanks.
Still took $20M, though (give or take) :
)
tw
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On Oct 4, 2004, at 6:08 PM, Jerry Hansen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
>
> Being a Long-EZ builder (22 years ago - and still flying) I have to
> disagree
> about the "not homebuilt stuff". I was at Burt's birthday party last
> year
> and we all (400 of us) got a private tour of the hangar and got to
> touch and
> feel the White Knight and SpaceShipOne. Burt banged his fist on the
> side of
> the White Knight and said "This is exactly the same foam and fiberglass
> technique that you used to build your Long-EZ". In the SpaceShipOne
> they
> used a lot of carbon fiber to keep it light, but it was all basic
> fiberglass
> (carbon) lay-ups. In the TV program they showed them mating the
> pieces and
> doing hand lay-ups to fasten them together (just like I did over 20
> years
> ago). Twenty years ago it wasn't rocket science - now it is!
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| Subject: | Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Jerry Hansen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
>
>Being a Long-EZ builder (22 years ago - and still flying) I have to disagree
>about the "not homebuilt stuff". I was at Burt's birthday party last year
>and we all (400 of us) got a private tour of the hangar and got to touch and
>feel the White Knight and SpaceShipOne. Burt banged his fist on the side of
>the White Knight and said "This is exactly the same foam and fiberglass
>technique that you used to build your Long-EZ". In the SpaceShipOne they
>used a lot of carbon fiber to keep it light, but it was all basic fiberglass
>(carbon) lay-ups. In the TV program they showed them mating the pieces and
>doing hand lay-ups to fasten them together (just like I did over 20 years
>ago). Twenty years ago it wasn't rocket science - now it is!
>
I agree! On the webcast this morning in an interview Burt said that the
technology used was the same as was available when they built the
Voyager .... and that was done on purpose to prevent a 'technology race'
during the conception and building phase. The engine (if I remember
right) was an older design that was upgraded for this mission. The
reason rubber and nitrous was used was safety and the ability to
restart. Safety was the primary concern. This was a homebuilt in it's
purest form. The fact that so many were paid to construct it doesn't
take it out of that arena. Designed on a napkin .... just like he
always did .... and built entirely in the hangar from commonly available
parts ..... no different than our homebuilts. I, however, don't think
my homebuilt will have near the impact that Spaceship one will!!!
Linn
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| Subject: | Cement rubber to canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Bean <jim-bean@att.net>
hello all,
I want to cement a rubber moulding to the front of my slider canopy
(RV-8) to make a rain seal. What glue is available that won't craze the
plastic? Since its a quickbuild I didn't need Proseal and don't have any
about the shop.
Jim Bean
"Finishing"
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pressure |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nauga" <nauga@brick.net>
John Furey wrote:
> I checked the archives did not find the answer. My fuel pressure varies
> between 6 and 0 with no consistency. Why does it do this and should I be
> doing something about it?
Two possibilities: A sensor/gauge problem,
or a real fuel pressure problem. A lot of people here
(myself included) have noticed fuel pressure fluctuations
while maneuvering. Sandy at Grand Rapids,
who supplied my pressure transducer, told me I could fix this
by opening up the transducer vent (what she said was more
along the lines of "punch some holes in the white stuff
behind the vent screen." I did this and don't really see
a difference.
My biggest fuel pressure fluctuations were apparently temperature
related - I had a fuel line run too close to an exhaust pipe.
I'd regularly see fuel pressure vary from 5 to 0 psi with no
change in engine operation (electric fuel pump off). Turning the
electric pump on would steady it out at ~4 psi. I moved the fuel
line by bypassing the gascolator(*) and it's now steady at 4-5psi
electric pump on or off unless I'm maneuvering, when it still
drops as low as zero (the engine keeps running) unless the boost
pump is on. The engine runs steady (well, aside from the bad mag
someone *finally* found) regardless of fuel pressure indications.
(*) I think it's temperature related, not gascolator related, but
bypassing the gascolator was the only way I could stay well clear
of the exhaust given the amazingly small firewall space available
on my RV-4.
Hope this helps,
Dave Hyde
nauga@brick.net
RV-4 in flight test, mechanic says it's 'up' again.
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| Subject: | Fuselage Order Follow-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
All,
As a follow-up to my earlier question...would anyone be able to point me to or
send me a picture of the manual aileron and manual flap controls? I'm still trying
to visualize what they look like and where they are located.
Thanks in advance,
Scott
7A Wings
www.scottsrv7a.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
All,
I just got a quote back from Falcon, and I thought I would share it for any interested.
Details as follows:
- RV7A
- $60,000 hull value
- $0 Motion, $0 Not-in-motion deductibles
- 1,000,000/100,000 Liability
- Total premium - $1,776/yr
I am instrument rated and have 300 hrs TT (0 make and model).
THanks,
Scott
www.scottsrv7a.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Order Follow-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
tx_jayhawk@excite.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
> All,
>
> As a follow-up to my earlier question...would anyone be able to point
> me to or send me a picture of the manual aileron and manual flap
> controls? I'm still trying to visualize what they look like and
> where they are located.
Scott, check out the last two photos on this page for the manual aileron
trim system:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/fuse9.html
The trim works perfectly and contrary to what you might think, the
springs don't alter the feel of the ailerons.
And here are the manual flaps (mid-page):
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/fuse7.html
In this case, the electric system is superior to the manual flaps.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | New/Used Propeller page added to website |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
I've added a new page on my website for new and used propellers being
offered for sale.
If you have a propeller you would like to sell; just send me an Email of
what you want listed.
If you are looking for a propeller, you can check the propeller page just
after antenna's under Products. There is already an overhauled Hartzell CS
propeller for a Lycoming 320 and a new Hartzell CS propeller for a Lycoming 360
listed.
_www.lessdrag.com_ (http://www.lessdrag.com/)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Less Drag products, Inc.
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