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1. 02:45 AM - Re: Insurance Rates ()
2. 04:00 AM - Re: RV-8 canopy (Steve Glasgow)
3. 04:48 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (Charles Rowbotham)
4. 05:45 AM - Re: Fuselage Order Follow-up (Bobby Hester)
5. 05:48 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (Mickey Coggins)
6. 06:08 AM - Sectional Wallpaper (Dana Overall)
7. 06:26 AM - Re: RV-8 canopy (Scott Bilinski)
8. 06:30 AM - Re: Insurance Rates (Sims, Doug)
9. 06:37 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (RV_8 Pilot)
10. 06:45 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (JOHN STARN)
11. 06:53 AM - Re: Insurance Rates (Sam Buchanan)
12. 07:19 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (JOHN STARN)
13. 08:00 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (Sam Buchanan)
14. 08:06 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (Brian Denk)
15. 08:24 AM - Log Book Entries (Larry Bowen)
16. 09:14 AM - Re: Sectional Wallpaper (Tedd McHenry)
17. 09:33 AM - AWM (Wheeler North)
18. 09:41 AM - Re: Sectional Wallpaper (Sam Buchanan)
19. 09:46 AM - Re: Sectional Wallpaper (Scott Bilinski)
20. 10:14 AM - Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
21. 10:16 AM - Garmin 296 (Wheeler North)
22. 10:40 AM - Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats and stuff (RV_8 Pilot)
23. 10:40 AM - Re: Log Book Entries (Mike Robertson)
24. 10:43 AM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Scott Bilinski)
25. 10:49 AM - Re: Log Book Entries (Scott VanArtsdalen)
26. 11:01 AM - Re: Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats and stuff (Ken Simmons)
27. 11:03 AM - Re: Log Book Entries (David Fenstermacher)
28. 11:12 AM - Re: Log Book Entries (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
29. 11:13 AM - Re: Sectional Wallpaper (Dana Overall)
30. 11:24 AM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Scott.Fink@microchip.com)
31. 11:33 AM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (steve zicree)
32. 11:54 AM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (van Bladeren, Ron)
33. 11:59 AM - Re: Sectional Wallpaper(& shameless flyin plug) (Charlie England)
34. 12:00 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Richard Tasker)
35. 12:16 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Stein Bruch)
36. 12:21 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Bob J)
37. 12:22 PM - Re: Log Book Entries (Stein Bruch)
38. 12:30 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Bob J)
39. 12:38 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (cgalley)
40. 01:22 PM - Re: Log Book Entries (steve zicree)
41. 01:27 PM - Re: Log Book Entries (Scott VanArtsdalen)
42. 01:46 PM - ELT? (Randy Lervold)
43. 02:11 PM - Re: ELT? (BRUCE GRAY)
44. 02:42 PM - ECI (Wheeler North)
45. 02:42 PM - Re : Magnesium Sumps (Martin Hone)
46. 03:09 PM - Re: Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats and (Scott.Fink@microchip.com)
47. 03:30 PM - Re: ELT? (Randy Lervold)
48. 04:00 PM - Re: Sectional Wallpaper(& shameless flyin plug) (Chris W)
49. 04:03 PM - Re: ELT? (BRUCE GRAY)
50. 04:06 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
51. 04:11 PM - Re: ELT? (Brian Denk)
52. 04:40 PM - Re: ELT? (Stein Bruch)
53. 04:41 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Charlie Kuss)
54. 05:15 PM - Follow up to posting about KLX-135A (mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com)
55. 06:43 PM - Jefferson City, MO FLY-IN 10/09/04 (David Schaefer)
56. 07:11 PM - Re: ELT? (Stein Bruch)
57. 07:25 PM - LED Nav Lights for Sale (Steve & Denise)
58. 08:21 PM - FOR SALE (George & Ann Meketa)
59. 08:24 PM - Tight hinge pins (Mike Holland)
60. 08:33 PM - Re: Tight hinge pins (Jerry Springer)
61. 09:14 PM - Re: Tight hinge pins (Scott Jackson)
62. 09:29 PM - Re: Tight hinge pins (Andy Karmy)
63. 10:16 PM - Re: Tight hinge pins (Jim Jewell)
64. 11:15 PM - Rivet shavers/Flush rivets on VS (David Fenstermacher)
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Rates |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
> I just got a quote back from Falcon, and I thought I would share it for
any interested. Details as follows:
>
> - RV7A
> - $60,000 hull value
> - $0 Motion, $0 Not-in-motion deductibles
> - 1,000,000/100,000 Liability
> - Total premium - $1,776/yr
>
> I am instrument rated and have 300 hrs TT (0 make and model).
>
Scott, here is what I paid at the first of the year for my -6A.
RV-6A
$51000 hull value (I'll need to up that, I think)
$250 motion/$50 not-in-motion deductibles
$1000000/$100000 liability
Total premium, to include taxes - $983
At the time of the premium, I had 1925 hours total and 318 in the RV. I'm a
VFR pilot. I got this coverage through NationAir. John Helms said he could
beat my previous agent's prices; and, he did by over $300. My previous
agent got $1342 from me, the previous year. I guess my no longer being a
member of the American Yankee Association, a Grumman/American special
interest group, took me off the group plan that they offered. Since John
has the group thing for RVs, that seems to be where I'll be for a while.
The sad thing is that I'd insured my airplanes with that other agency for 12
years. You'd think I'd be a preferred customer. Not so. It works the
other way, the longer one stays with an insurance company, the more likely
they are to up one's rates. I've found that it pays to shop around, even if
one doesn't change companies. Just knowing the customer is shopping around
may get an agent to get a lower rate. At that point, though, I'm ready to
switch. If an agent can get me a lower rate due to a scare tactic, he
doesn't deserve my business.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317 (Building wings, fuselage ordered)
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Jim,
I believe the problem is due to air not moving from front to back through the entire
fuselage. Some how the air backs up around the aft area of the canopy,
then lift produced by the canopy creates a low pressure area and there is a tendency
to lift the canopy at the back.
Early on I devised a set of louvers that I installed on each aft fuselage inspection
panels and I have never had a problem since I started flying Cappy=92s Toy.
The louvers were stainless steel purchased form West Marine. They fit perfectly
and I just riveted them to the inspection panels and later painted them.
Steve Glasgow
RV 8, N123GS, Cappy's Toy
140 Hours
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| Subject: | Off Topic - XPrize |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Now's the time for the RV-11 (aka RV-U2)
Chuck
>From: Jim Duckett <perfeng@3rivers.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Off Topic - XPrize
>Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:38:31 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Duckett <perfeng@3rivers.net>
>
>Okay Guys it's time to pressure Van as to when the RV-? transatmospheric
>prototype will be underway in the "Skunkworks".
>This morning the doors to the shop were closed as we all watched Burt
>Rutan's design "Spaceship One" become the first non-government
>sponsored, heck the first any sponsored ship, do a less than two week
>turn around into space for the second time and win the X-Prize.
>Does this mean that the EAA is now also the Experimental Aerospace
>Association?
>
>Jim Duckett, a non-government funded Experimental Aircraft
>Builder...Now, more than ever...damn proud of it!!!
>
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Order Follow-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Hester" <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:09 (CDT)
> Subject: RV-List: Fuselage Order Follow-up
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
> All,
>
> As a follow-up to my earlier question...would anyone be able to point me to
> or send me a picture of the manual aileron and manual flap controls? I'm
> still trying to visualize what they look like and where they are located.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Scott
> 7A Wings
> www.scottsrv7a.com
>
Since your building a 7A I thought you might mean manual elevator trim not flaps.
If so go here:
http://members.hopkinsville.net/bhester/FuseAssyPg4.htm
-------
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
RV7A web site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite
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| Subject: | Off Topic - XPrize |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi,
Has anyone seen a number for what it would cost to build
a second SpaceShipOne and a second White Knight, now that
the investment in R&D has been done? Also, what does it
cost in fuel and other consumables for each flight?
Thanks,
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Sectional Wallpaper |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Hey gang, I'm "decorating" my new office and want to make one wall a
sectional of the entire US. Somewhere, sometime I've seen actual wallpaper
instead of sticking together the entire sectional package. Can anybody
point me in the right direction?
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Talked to the winning biplane racer guy at Reno air races, he said to make
sure you have no air flowing through the fuse. Seal up the entire fuse as
best as possible. I think this is a better idea than letting the air out.
Just the opposite of the previous post, both ideas will work, take your pick.
At 06:59 AM 10/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>
>I believe the problem is due to air not moving from front to back through
>the entire fuselage. Some how the air backs up around the aft area of the
>canopy, then lift produced by the canopy creates a low pressure area and
>there is a tendency to lift the canopy at the back.
>
>
>Early on I devised a set of louvers that I installed on each aft fuselage
>inspection panels and I have never had a problem since I started flying
>Cappy=92s Toy. The louvers were stainless steel purchased form West
>Marine. They fit perfectly and I just riveted them to the inspection
>panels and later painted them.
>
>
>Steve Glasgow
>
>RV 8, N123GS, Cappy's Toy
>
>140 Hours
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Sims, Doug" <Doug.Sims@danahermotion.com>
My quote from Falcon was $2,400 for an Rv8 valued at 80,000.
same limits
400 hrs IFR rated
projected to have 20 hours tailwheel
10 hours in type.
RV8
Finishing Kit
-----Original Message-----
From: sears@searnet.com [mailto:sears@searnet.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Insurance Rates
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
> I just got a quote back from Falcon, and I thought I would share it for
any interested. Details as follows:
>
> - RV7A
> - $60,000 hull value
> - $0 Motion, $0 Not-in-motion deductibles
> - 1,000,000/100,000 Liability
> - Total premium - $1,776/yr
>
> I am instrument rated and have 300 hrs TT (0 make and model).
>
Scott, here is what I paid at the first of the year for my -6A.
RV-6A
$51000 hull value (I'll need to up that, I think)
$250 motion/$50 not-in-motion deductibles
$1000000/$100000 liability
Total premium, to include taxes - $983
At the time of the premium, I had 1925 hours total and 318 in the RV. I'm a
VFR pilot. I got this coverage through NationAir. John Helms said he could
beat my previous agent's prices; and, he did by over $300. My previous
agent got $1342 from me, the previous year. I guess my no longer being a
member of the American Yankee Association, a Grumman/American special
interest group, took me off the group plan that they offered. Since John
has the group thing for RVs, that seems to be where I'll be for a while.
The sad thing is that I'd insured my airplanes with that other agency for 12
years. You'd think I'd be a preferred customer. Not so. It works the
other way, the longer one stays with an insurance company, the more likely
they are to up one's rates. I've found that it pays to shop around, even if
one doesn't change companies. Just knowing the customer is shopping around
may get an agent to get a lower rate. At that point, though, I'm ready to
switch. If an agent can get me a lower rate due to a scare tactic, he
doesn't deserve my business.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317 (Building wings, fuselage ordered)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Off Topic - XPrize |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Good questions... NASA gets beat up over their multi-thousand dollar tools
& devices - but that's usually factoring in all their development and
overheads.
Without factoring in the development and overheads, I bet you could build
another ship (SpaceShipTwo) for dirt cheap! Wouldn't even need another
White Knight. Even with the overheads, what would the second machine cost -
$500,000 for the ship and half what they sunk to develop no.1 (say, $20
mil). That's $10.5mil total.
I'm just guessing on the costs. But it's refreshing to be looking at so few
zeros and also to know it's an.... EXPERIMENTAL!!!!!!
I see a new bumper sticker...
"Keep flying your government approved planes; Rutan & I will be flying
homebuilts!",
copyright 2004, Bryan Jones ;)
do not archive
Bryan
>Hi,
>
>Has anyone seen a number for what it would cost to build
>a second SpaceShipOne and a second White Knight, now that
>the investment in R&D has been done? Also, what does it
>cost in fuel and other consumables for each flight?
>
>Thanks,
>Mickey
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic - XPrize |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
The only comment I heard was that a "commerical" verison is allready under
construction and would be the one that Rutan & Allen, and anyone with the
big bucks, would ride in. Nothing said if a "new" White Knight would have to
be built to launch the larger, roomier Spaceship II. No prices was quoted.
KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Off Topic - XPrize
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone seen a number for what it would cost to build
> a second SpaceShipOne and a second White Knight, now that
> the investment in R&D has been done? Also, what does it
> cost in fuel and other consumables for each flight?
>
> Thanks,
> Mickey
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Rates |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
tx_jayhawk@excite.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
> All,
>
> I just got a quote back from Falcon, and I thought I would share it for any interested.
Details as follows:
>
> - RV7A
> - $60,000 hull value
> - $0 Motion, $0 Not-in-motion deductibles
> - 1,000,000/100,000 Liability
> - Total premium - $1,776/yr
>
> I am instrument rated and have 300 hrs TT (0 make and model).
>
Another option that apparently is not known to all RV builders is GIM
and GRIM. Ground in Motion coverage provides liability and medical at
all times but the hull coverage ceases once the aircraft rolls onto the
active runway. Ground Not in Motion coverage includes liability and
medical at all times but hull coverage ceases once the engine starts.
I have used Ground Not in Motion coverage for several years since my
main concern is protection of the RV while it is parked (wind, fire,
theft, vandalism, hangar collapse, etc). I figure that if I ball up the
RV either the incident will be so severe that I won't be around to
consider the consequences or if the incident is not as dire, I am
willing to accept the responsibility for my goof and will want to repair
the aircraft myself.
GIM and GNIM carry premiums that are much less than full hull coverage.
These options are worth considering for the owner who is willing to
self-insure the hull.
I am not an insurance agent or expert; your agent can give you more info
on these matters.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic - XPrize |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Do not archive
Wonder who got the "repairman's certificate" ?. 8*) KABONG
> I'm just guessing on the costs. But it's refreshing to be looking at so
> few
> zeros and also to know it's an.... EXPERIMENTAL!!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic - XPrize |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
JOHN STARN wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
> Wonder who got the "repairman's certificate" ?. 8*) KABONG
>
>
>>I'm just guessing on the costs. But it's refreshing to be looking at so
>>few
>>zeros and also to know it's an.... EXPERIMENTAL!!!!!!
What I'm wondering is how they intend to deal with the "non-commercial"
(no paying passengers) aspect of experimental aircraft. :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic - XPrize |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>Do not archive
>Wonder who got the "repairman's certificate" ?. 8*) KABONG
>
> > I'm just guessing on the costs. But it's refreshing to be looking at so
> > few
> > zeros and also to know it's an.... EXPERIMENTAL!!!!!!
Must be why my life insurance quote yesterday was almost double that of a
certified airplane pilot..."oh, you fly an experimental, sorry, that will
cost you a little more". They must be offsetting the low costs with my
premiums via the insurance syndicate...uh..industry.
Go figure.
Though the ship is plastic, my hat's off to Rutan and co. Attaboys and
beers all around!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | Log Book Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and
shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc...
Thx,
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Sectional Wallpaper |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Dana:
I don't know about sectional wallpaper, but you might see if you can get
yourself some JNCs (Jet Navigation Charts). These are 1:2,000,000 charts that
are about 42" by 58", and cover large areas. For example, JNC 43 covers
western North America from the Baja peninsula to the tip of Vancouver Island.
Three JNCs cover all of the continental U.S.A., plus part of Mexico and Canada
(JNC 43, 44, and 45, I think). That would cover an area about 100" wide and
60" tall.
I don't know if anybody other than the military uses them, but if you have any
Air Force or Navy contacts they might be able to get you some.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Doug,
I would add that the AWM 12V Cig connector is about as cheap as they come.
Little plastic tang inside failed allowing internal +12v spring to slide
back into the V-reg circuit board causing direct short. Case was glued shut,
so the repairability was marginal.
Connector into IPAQ is also very weak, and needs to be properly supported.
Broke two until I figured out how to support this with a tang in back of
connector riveted to the bottom of the RAM mount.
W
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| Subject: | Re: Sectional Wallpaper |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Tedd McHenry wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
> Dana:
>
> I don't know about sectional wallpaper, but you might see if you can get
> yourself some JNCs (Jet Navigation Charts). These are 1:2,000,000 charts that
> are about 42" by 58", and cover large areas. For example, JNC 43 covers
> western North America from the Baja peninsula to the tip of Vancouver Island.
> Three JNCs cover all of the continental U.S.A., plus part of Mexico and Canada
> (JNC 43, 44, and 45, I think). That would cover an area about 100" wide and
> 60" tall.
>
> I don't know if anybody other than the military uses them, but if you have any
> Air Force or Navy contacts they might be able to get you some.
The large (57" x 120") inexpensive JNC's are available from Builders
Bookstore:
http://www.pilotsbooks.com/wallcharts.htm
I applied the largest JNC to our hangar wall with wallpaper paste. The
same could be done with sectionals. Matching up the borders is a little
tedious but definitely possible.
Sam Buchanan
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I have one of the JNC charts it covers the whole US. Its great for flight
planning, I have one on the wall and one in my flight bag, 11" = ~3 hours.
The only down side is it does not have the outline of the states.
At 09:13 AM 10/5/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
>Dana:
>
>I don't know about sectional wallpaper, but you might see if you can get
>yourself some JNCs (Jet Navigation Charts). These are 1:2,000,000 charts that
>are about 42" by 58", and cover large areas. For example, JNC 43 covers
>western North America from the Baja peninsula to the tip of Vancouver Island.
>Three JNCs cover all of the continental U.S.A., plus part of Mexico and Canada
>(JNC 43, 44, and 45, I think). That would cover an area about 100" wide and
>60" tall.
>
>I don't know if anybody other than the military uses them, but if you have any
>Air Force or Navy contacts they might be able to get you some.
>
>Tedd McHenry
>Surrey, BC, Canada
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Magnesium sump? No thanx. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Stein,
Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the
extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak inside the
cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being
mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting fire
to
go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, now the
magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no
chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs from.
Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f.
What am I missing here?
Jerry Cochran
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
XP-IO360/FF
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Good Luck,
Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and
basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about
it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at the
OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts soon,
even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within
a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for Lyc's.
The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the
weight is supposed to be close.
I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
informants.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Well,
If one were to propel their Garmin 296 or 196 at 25,000 kts I think it might
penetrate the containment vessal of an NGS, but the readabilty in the
nuclear afterglow would be insufficient during and after the test.
But, I don't fully agree with the comments about the validity of the F4
test.
The P&W 4000 series engines have a central core that is equal to a 4000lb
tempered steel javelin. Although its somewhat hollow these in fact did make
their way completely through both world trade center buildings, and the P&W
2000 series cores had similar penetration results in the pentegon after
bouncing off the ground.
As far as I know nothing in an F-4 has that kind of mass or penetration
quality. In fact the engines were somewhat cushioned/decelerated by the
front half of the aircraft in this test. It was a comparision of apples to
pizza, both go down equally tasty but they come back up very differently.
The rest of any airliner is just a big aluminum balloon that would bounce
off the outer containment vessal, although some of the keel segments would
add to the damage if the engine cores were able to shatter enough of the
shell.
That said, the one nuke I've been in still had several more layers of
containment after the outer shell before one even got to fuel supplies, then
even more to get to the hot section of the station.
I would be far more concerned about a 747 hitting the side of a carrier or
boomer than one of our NGS's.
W
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| Subject: | Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats and |
stuff
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>I would be far more concerned about a 747 hitting the side of a carrier or
>boomer than one of our NGS's.
>
>W
Speaking of carriers, which I thought had as one of their layers of defense
Phalanx (?) radar controlled Gatling gun systems. Why aren't these being
used for to protect places like the Capital, Pentagon, Camp David, P-49,
etc. etc.? Maybe they are...
Anything that can shoot an artillery shell out of the air at close range
seems like a pretty good defensive weapon in this case.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bryan
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| Subject: | Log Book Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Check out FAR 43.9 and 43.11. 43.9 covers the things required for
maintenance entries and 43.11 covers those things required for an inspection
entry.
Mike Robertson
>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entries
>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:23:22 -0400 (EDT)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
>What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and
>shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc...
>
>Thx,
>
>-
>Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs
>Larry@BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Bottom line, with a mass that big it will be very difficult to light, but,
once it is lit, dont be landing in any water thinking your going to put it
out!!!!!
anyone know the combustion temp of Mag.
At 01:14 PM 10/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
>Stein,
>
>Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the
>extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak
>inside the
>cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being
>mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting
>fire to
>go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is,
>now the
>magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no
>chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs
>from.
>Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f.
>
>What am I missing here?
>
>Jerry Cochran
>
>From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
>XP-IO360/FF
>sump question
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>Good Luck,
>
>Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and
>basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
>"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about
>it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at the
>OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts soon,
>even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
>parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
>
>Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within
>a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for Lyc's.
>The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the
>weight is supposed to be close.
>
>I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
>informants.
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Log Book Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
I'll reply with what my genuine FAA airworthiness inspector told me. He
told me not to enter anything in the logbooks other than "Annual
condition inspection performed on " whatever date. He specifically told
me that any other maintenance items I wanted to track should be in a
separate personal log. Fresno FSDO words, not mine.
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV
4-ever!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entries
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and
shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc...
Thx,
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats |
and stuff
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Maybe because they have no IFF. Someone would have to stand there and be ready
to turn them on active when ordered. When it's on it kills everything within its
search paramaters until it runs out of ammo. My brother worked on these in
the Navy and their motto was "If it flies it dies".
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
>>I would be far more concerned about a 747 hitting the side of a carrier or
>>boomer than one of our NGS's.
>>
>>W
>
>Speaking of carriers, which I thought had as one of their layers of defense
>Phalanx (?) radar controlled Gatling gun systems. Why aren't these being
>used for to protect places like the Capital, Pentagon, Camp David, P-49,
>etc. etc.? Maybe they are...
>
>Anything that can shoot an artillery shell out of the air at close range
>seems like a pretty good defensive weapon in this case.
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>Bryan
>
>
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| Subject: | Log Book Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
This raises a question for me.
What is the reference for the builder's log?
I am keeping a "journal" and taking lots of pictures (some with me working).
Is there anything else I should be doing?
I know there are commercial computer programs, but don't feel the need to
buy one if I can do it in MS Word.
Thanks,
Dave
> >What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and
> >shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc...
> >
> >Thx,
> >
> >-
> >Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs
> >Larry@BowenAero.com
> >http://BowenAero.com
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Log Book Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Dave,
I think that is all you'll need. That's about what I did and the FAA guy
(when I applied for my repairman's certificate) leafed through my steno-type log
book then said, "Let's look at your pictures, they say a lot more than words."
I only had about a dozen pictures. He was more than satisfied.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
N766DH (Flying since 7/7/04 -- about 58 hours now)
In a message dated 10/5/04 1:04:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dfenstermacher@earthlink.net writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" <
> dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
>
> This raises a question for me.
> What is the reference for the builder's log?
> I am keeping a "journal" and taking lots of pictures (some with me working).
> Is there anything else I should be doing?
> I know there are commercial computer programs, but don't feel the need to
> buy one if I can do it in MS Word.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sectional Wallpaper |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Thanks gang, I've got the perfect 10' wall for it go on.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
do not archive
>From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Sectional Wallpaper
>Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:40:56 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>Tedd McHenry wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> >
> > Dana:
> >
> > I don't know about sectional wallpaper, but you might see if you can get
> > yourself some JNCs (Jet Navigation Charts). These are 1:2,000,000
>charts that
> > are about 42" by 58", and cover large areas. For example, JNC 43 covers
> > western North America from the Baja peninsula to the tip of Vancouver
>Island.
> > Three JNCs cover all of the continental U.S.A., plus part of Mexico and
>Canada
> > (JNC 43, 44, and 45, I think). That would cover an area about 100" wide
>and
> > 60" tall.
> >
> > I don't know if anybody other than the military uses them, but if you
>have any
> > Air Force or Navy contacts they might be able to get you some.
>
>
>The large (57" x 120") inexpensive JNC's are available from Builders
>Bookstore:
>
>http://www.pilotsbooks.com/wallcharts.htm
>
>I applied the largest JNC to our hangar wall with wallpaper paste. The
>same could be done with sectionals. Matching up the borders is a little
>tedious but definitely possible.
>
>Sam Buchanan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. |
10/05/2004 11:26:44 AM,
Serialize complete at 10/05/2004 11:26:44 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com
> anyone know the combustion temp of Mag.
Less than that of motor oil. The old VW bugs had either a magnesium case
or cylinders, and if they got coated with leaked oil, and the oil caught,
the mag would light. When the fire dept shows up at the fire, they would
stand around and watch it burn because there was nothing they could do
about it.
Scott
Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
10/05/2004 10:43 AM
Please respond to rv-list
To: rv-list@matronics.com
cc:
Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx.
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Bottom line, with a mass that big it will be very difficult to light, but,
once it is lit, dont be landing in any water thinking your going to put it
out!!!!!
anyone know the combustion temp of Mag.
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| Subject: | Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
I have personally witnessed a volkswagen engine case ignite in a campfire.
Didn't seem to take too long to catch, and once it's going, there's no
putting it out. I suspect that the alloy used in the sump is probably less
flammable though.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx.
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> Bottom line, with a mass that big it will be very difficult to light, but,
> once it is lit, dont be landing in any water thinking your going to put it
> out!!!!!
>
> anyone know the combustion temp of Mag.
>
>
> At 01:14 PM 10/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
> >
> >
> >Stein,
> >
> >Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of
the
> >extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak
> >inside the
> >cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being
> >mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel,
expecting
> >fire to
> >go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is,
> >now the
> >magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and
no
> >chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs
> >from.
> >Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f.
> >
> >What am I missing here?
> >
> >Jerry Cochran
> >
> >From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> >Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was
Superior
> >XP-IO360/FF
> >sump question
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> >
> >Good Luck,
> >
> >Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing,
and
> >basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
> >"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked
about
> >it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at
the
> >OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts
soon,
> >even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
> >parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
> >
> >Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly
(within
> >a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for
Lyc's.
> >The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and
the
> >weight is supposed to be close.
> >
> >I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
> >informants.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Stein Bruch
> >
> >
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | Magnesium sump? No thanx. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
I believe the oil pan, accessory case and engine mount arms on the O-300,
arguably the most common, small block, Continental engine produced, are
magnesium and they don't seem to have any problems (other then corrosion
pitting).
Ron.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx.
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Bottom line, with a mass that big it will be very difficult to light, but,
once it is lit, dont be landing in any water thinking your going to put it
out!!!!!
anyone know the combustion temp of Mag.
At 01:14 PM 10/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
>Stein,
>
>Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the
>extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak
>inside the
>cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being
>mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting
>fire to
>go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is,
>now the
>magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and
no
>chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs
>from.
>Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f.
>
>What am I missing here?
>
>Jerry Cochran
>
>From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
>XP-IO360/FF
>sump question
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>Good Luck,
>
>Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing,
and
>basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
>"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked
about
>it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at
the
>OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts
soon,
>even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
>parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
>
>Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly
(within
>a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for
Lyc's.
>The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and
the
>weight is supposed to be close.
>
>I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
>informants.
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Sectional Wallpaper(& shameless flyin plug) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>Tedd McHenry wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>>
>>Dana:
>>
>>I don't know about sectional wallpaper, but you might see if you can get
>>yourself some JNCs (Jet Navigation Charts). These are 1:2,000,000 charts that
>>are about 42" by 58", and cover large areas. For example, JNC 43 covers
>>western North America from the Baja peninsula to the tip of Vancouver Island.
>>Three JNCs cover all of the continental U.S.A., plus part of Mexico and Canada
>>(JNC 43, 44, and 45, I think). That would cover an area about 100" wide and
>>60" tall.
>>
>>I don't know if anybody other than the military uses them, but if you have any
>>Air Force or Navy contacts they might be able to get you some.
>>
>>
>
>
>The large (57" x 120") inexpensive JNC's are available from Builders
>Bookstore:
>
>http://www.pilotsbooks.com/wallcharts.htm
>
>I applied the largest JNC to our hangar wall with wallpaper paste. The
>same could be done with sectionals. Matching up the borders is a little
>tedious but definitely possible.
>
>Sam Buchanan
>
We did the same thing (under glass) for the top surface of our breakfast
bar. I fought it tooth my wife insisted on it & of course it
looks great & is the focal point of our house for visitors. I agree that
it's tedious to match the edges, but no gentleman (or lady) will ever
point out the flaws. :-)
Come on down to Slobovia Outernational (MS71) on Oct. 16 & check it out
while you eat some BBQ.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
The VWs had a Magnesium/Aluminum alloy case. Cylinders were steel.
This reminds me of an incident many years ago in San Antonio. VW of
America built a new regional warehouse in San Antonio - but to save
money, they built it just outside the city limits. It caught fire one
night and the city would not respond since it was outside their
jurisdiction. Burned to the ground - very spectacular with all the
spare cases and engines in stock!
They did not rebuild there...
Dick Tasker
Do not archive
Scott.Fink@microchip.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com
>
>
>
>>anyone know the combustion temp of Mag.
>>
>>
>
>Less than that of motor oil. The old VW bugs had either a magnesium case
>or cylinders, and if they got coated with leaked oil, and the oil caught,
>the mag would light. When the fire dept shows up at the fire, they would
>stand around and watch it burn because there was nothing they could do
>about it.
>
>Scott
>
>
>Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>10/05/2004 10:43 AM
>Please respond to rv-list
>
>
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| Subject: | Magnesium sump? No thanx. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
I think I mis-spoke in an earlier email. Replace Magnesium with
Titanium......
We better get the thing right from the horses mouth instead of third hand
from me. I'll call ECI today if I get a chance to find out what it's really
going to be made of.
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry2DT@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx.
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Stein,
Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the
extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak inside
the
cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being
mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting
fire to
go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, now
the
magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no
chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs
from.
Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f.
What am I missing here?
Jerry Cochran
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
XP-IO360/FF
sump question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Good Luck,
Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and
basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about
it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at
the
OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts
soon,
even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within
a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for
Lyc's.
The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the
weight is supposed to be close.
I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
informants.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
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| Subject: | Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob J <rocketbob@gmail.com>
Jerry, you are missing the fact that Lycoming sumps are made from cast
magnesium, and have been since the birth of the Lycosaur.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 qb under const.
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:14:04 EDT, jerry2dt@aol.com <jerry2dt@aol.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
> Stein,
>
> Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the
> extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak inside the
> cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being
> mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting fire
to
> go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, now the
> magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no
> chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs from.
> Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f.
>
> What am I missing here?
>
> Jerry Cochran
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| Subject: | Log Book Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
What kind of genuine FAA inspector is that? An airframe maintenance log is
exactly that, and should have everything from oil changes, annual
inspections, structural repairs, modificiations, etc.... Of course engine
work is reserved for an engine log. You don't need two airframe logs.
Think of the records for the aircraft just like medical records for a
person. Personally, I don't write down little things like tighening a
screw, but I do record any oil changes, wheel bearing packing, brake pads
during the annual, etc.. Also, the statement the FAA guy told you isn't even
of the proper legal terminology. The statement can be found in the AC43.13
and the annual inspection should start out saying: "I have inspected this
aircraft in accordance with a XXXX inspection.....".
Just my experience in the Experimental as well as certified world.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
A&P
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
VanArtsdalen
Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
I'll reply with what my genuine FAA airworthiness inspector told me. He
told me not to enter anything in the logbooks other than "Annual
condition inspection performed on " whatever date. He specifically told
me that any other maintenance items I wanted to track should be in a
separate personal log. Fresno FSDO words, not mine.
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV
4-ever!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entries
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and
shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc...
Thx,
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob J <rocketbob@gmail.com>
540's have always had cast magnesium sumps, not sure about the
four-cyl. engines. My apologies in advance if I caused any confusion.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 qb under const
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:21:28 -0500, Bob J <rocketbob@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jerry, you are missing the fact that Lycoming sumps are made from cast
> magnesium, and have been since the birth of the Lycosaur.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 flying F1 qb under const.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:14:04 EDT, jerry2dt@aol.com <jerry2dt@aol.com> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
> >
> > Stein,
> >
> > Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the
> > extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak inside
the
> > cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being
> > mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting
fire to
> > go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, now
the
> > magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no
> > chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs from.
> > Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f.
> >
> > What am I missing here?
> >
> > Jerry Cochran
>
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| Subject: | Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You are missing the fact that many engines already use magnesium cases. For
example the old A-65 accessory case with it's built in oil pump housing is
magnesium.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jerry2DT@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx.
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
> Stein,
>
> Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of
the
> extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak
inside the
> cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being
> mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting
fire to
> go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is,
now the
> magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and
no
> chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs
from.
> Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f.
>
> What am I missing here?
>
> Jerry Cochran
>
> From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was
Superior
> XP-IO360/FF
> sump question
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing,
and
> basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
> "replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked
about
> it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at
the
> OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts
soon,
> even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
> parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
>
> Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly
(within
> a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for
Lyc's.
> The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and
the
> weight is supposed to be close.
>
> I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
> informants.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Log Book Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
All the legalities notwithstanding, which type of log would you rather see
if you were considering BUYING said aircraft? This point alone justifies
keeping records of everything short of wiping bugs off the canopy, IMHO of
course : )
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> What kind of genuine FAA inspector is that? An airframe maintenance log
is
> exactly that, and should have everything from oil changes, annual
> inspections, structural repairs, modificiations, etc.... Of course engine
> work is reserved for an engine log. You don't need two airframe logs.
>
> Think of the records for the aircraft just like medical records for a
> person. Personally, I don't write down little things like tighening a
> screw, but I do record any oil changes, wheel bearing packing, brake pads
> during the annual, etc.. Also, the statement the FAA guy told you isn't
even
> of the proper legal terminology. The statement can be found in the
AC43.13
> and the annual inspection should start out saying: "I have inspected this
> aircraft in accordance with a XXXX inspection.....".
>
> Just my experience in the Experimental as well as certified world.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
> RV6's, Minneapolis
> A&P
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
> VanArtsdalen
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> I'll reply with what my genuine FAA airworthiness inspector told me. He
> told me not to enter anything in the logbooks other than "Annual
> condition inspection performed on " whatever date. He specifically told
> me that any other maintenance items I wanted to track should be in a
> separate personal log. Fresno FSDO words, not mine.
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> RV-4 N311SV
> 4-ever!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entries
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and
> shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc...
>
> Thx,
>
> -
> Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | Log Book Entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
I'm with you on that. I'm just passing on what was said.
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV
4-ever!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch
Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
What kind of genuine FAA inspector is that? An airframe maintenance log
is
exactly that, and should have everything from oil changes, annual
inspections, structural repairs, modificiations, etc.... Of course
engine
work is reserved for an engine log. You don't need two airframe logs.
Think of the records for the aircraft just like medical records for a
person. Personally, I don't write down little things like tighening a
screw, but I do record any oil changes, wheel bearing packing, brake
pads
during the annual, etc.. Also, the statement the FAA guy told you isn't
even
of the proper legal terminology. The statement can be found in the
AC43.13
and the annual inspection should start out saying: "I have inspected
this
aircraft in accordance with a XXXX inspection.....".
Just my experience in the Experimental as well as certified world.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
A&P
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
VanArtsdalen
Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
I'll reply with what my genuine FAA airworthiness inspector told me. He
told me not to enter anything in the logbooks other than "Annual
condition inspection performed on " whatever date. He specifically told
me that any other maintenance items I wanted to track should be in a
separate personal log. Fresno FSDO words, not mine.
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV
4-ever!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entries
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and
shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc...
Thx,
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
==
==
==
==
==
==
==
==
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's still
being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place
aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this
near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen product
becomes more mature?
Randy Lervold
RV-3B, fuselage
www.rv-3.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
Hey Randy, Are the EBC-502's also going. They work off both 121.5 and 243.0?
If so that is a true bummer. Those thing's are small, light weight and
portable.
>From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>, <rv-3@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RV-List: ELT?
>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:44:37 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
>With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's
>still
>being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place
>aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this
>near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen product
>becomes more mature?
>
>Randy Lervold
>RV-3B, fuselage
>www.rv-3.com
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Ken,
call Tim Mooreland (800) 324-2359 in ECI's Oregon office,
He is one of the nicest guys in the world. They have done several major
presentations at our IA Renewal Seminar that we give for free down here in
the deep south.
These guys show up, bring all kinds of cool stuff, put on a great
presentation, all for nothing, and the last time around they really didn't
do much to pontificate their products. They were right on task talking about
measuring, calibration, metaurology, etc for their entire pitch. They are
very knowledgeable and love sharing that knowledge with anyone, customer or
not.
Don't know if its a good idea to say I sent you though, he might charge you
double...
;{)
Also be aware that you can get lower prices through their bulk vendors than
you can direct from them. They won't compete against their best vendors.
That's true for both companies. Suggest you buy from out of state as
shipping is usually less than tax.
W
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re : Magnesium Sumps |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
Seems to be a fair bit of anecdotal evidence that magnesium burns easily,
but in my experience you need a lot of heat to get it to burn. If you have
that much going on, you would be in trouble anyway. Even the aluminum would
burn away.
Heck, you can even weld the stuff !
I have no problem riding behind an engine with magnesium cases or sump.
Cheers
Martin in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats |
and
stuff
10/05/2004 03:12:01 PM,
Serialize complete at 10/05/2004 03:12:01 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com
It may not be too popular with the votors if you spray thousands of
rounds/min down the mall during a big rally or something, even if you do
manage to protect the Capital.
Scott
"RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
10/05/2004 10:36 AM
Please respond to rv-list
To: rv-list@matronics.com
cc:
Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security
threats and
stuff
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>I would be far more concerned about a 747 hitting the side of a carrier
or
>boomer than one of our NGS's.
>
>W
Speaking of carriers, which I thought had as one of their layers of
defense
Phalanx (?) radar controlled Gatling gun systems. Why aren't these being
used for to protect places like the Capital, Pentagon, Camp David, P-49,
etc. etc.? Maybe they are...
Anything that can shoot an artillery shell out of the air at close range
seems like a pretty good defensive weapon in this case.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bryan
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
Yes, both 121.5 and 243.0 will become obsolete.
----- Original Message -----
From: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
>
> Hey Randy, Are the EBC-502's also going. They work off both 121.5 and
243.0?
> If so that is a true bummer. Those thing's are small, light weight and
> portable.
>
> >From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>, <rv-3@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: ELT?
> >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:44:37 -0700
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> >
> >With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's
> >still
> >being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place
> >aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this
> >near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen
product
> >becomes more mature?
> >
> >Randy Lervold
> >RV-3B, fuselage
> >www.rv-3.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sectional Wallpaper(& shameless flyin plug) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Someone on the rec.aviation.piloting news group asked a similar question
with out much response a while back. However I did find out from that
thread that you can download very high res tiff images of the
sectionals. If people think it would be worth while I could try and
past them together and make a huge map. I have a friend that has a 44"
wide ink jet printer and can print any length for about 6$ per square
foot. I know it is expensive but if your just doing it once. . . I will
have to check to see if he can do it cheaper if it's not on that glossy
photo paper he normally uses.
--
Chris W
Bring Back the HP 15C
http://hp15c.org
Not getting the gifts you want? The Wish Zone can help.
http://thewishzone.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
What do they have in store for us? And is it affordable? New and improved is
usually expensive.
>From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT?
>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:29:00 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
>Yes, both 121.5 and 243.0 will become obsolete.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Hey Randy, Are the EBC-502's also going. They work off both 121.5 and
>243.0?
> > If so that is a true bummer. Those thing's are small, light weight and
> > portable.
> >
> > >From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>, <rv-3@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: RV-List: ELT?
> > >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:44:37 -0700
> > >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> > >
> > >With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's
> > >still
> > >being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place
> > >aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this
> > >near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen
>product
> > >becomes more mature?
> > >
> > >Randy Lervold
> > >RV-3B, fuselage
> > >www.rv-3.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
cgalley wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
>You are missing the fact that many engines already use magnesium cases. For
>example the old A-65 accessory case with it's built in oil pump housing is
>magnesium.
>
>
most all of you have flown with engines using a lot of Magnesium. Even
Frank Christen used to sell the Bosses and the Mag rod to weld the
boss's onto the Magnesium sumps for his inverted oil systems. Some
needed them and others didnt. It is not a real big thing to weld Mag
with a 6000 degree tig torch. I'm not sure of the temp but it is hot.
and Mag welds as easily as aluminum.
Ever wonder how to tell mag from aluminum when you are not sure? One way
is the weight, the mag is much lighter. Another way is to take a sharp
pocket knife to a corner edge and cut amd scrape a little off the edge.
The aluminum will usuually come off as a small ribbon and the Mag will
come off as small flakes.
Take the small trimmings and sprinkle in a flame of a cigarette lighter
and the Mag will sparkle as they burn. The aluminum will not...
Phil in Illinois RV6 181RV almost ready to paint
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's
>still
>being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place
>aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this
>near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen product
>becomes more mature?
>
>Randy Lervold
>RV-3B, fuselage
>www.rv-3.com
I can relate to this dilemma. Tailcone is done on the RV10, and I'd like to
get the ELT installation done now, while it's easy to access everything.
But, how long will today's ELT be viable?
Will most likely wait til later. Much later.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
The new ELT's at the moment are quite pricey. I looked at stocking them,
but the only decently priced one out there that is (COSPAS/SARSAT) compliant
for 2009+ is high $$ compared to the current $180.00 ACK & AK's.
Anyway, if anyone is interested, pointer makes one in the $400.00-$500.00
range. If you're interested in one, contact me off list and we'll get you
setup.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
http://www.steinair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BRUCE GRAY
Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT?
--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
What do they have in store for us? And is it affordable? New and improved is
usually expensive.
>From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT?
>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:29:00 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
>Yes, both 121.5 and 243.0 will become obsolete.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Hey Randy, Are the EBC-502's also going. They work off both 121.5 and
>243.0?
> > If so that is a true bummer. Those thing's are small, light weight and
> > portable.
> >
> > >From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>, <rv-3@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: RV-List: ELT?
> > >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:44:37 -0700
> > >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> > >
> > >With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's
> > >still
> > >being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place
> > >aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this
> > >near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen
>product
> > >becomes more mature?
> > >
> > >Randy Lervold
> > >RV-3B, fuselage
> > >www.rv-3.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Jerry,
I don't know that you are missing anything. However, Lycoming's 200 hp
sumps are made of magnesium.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
>Stein,
>
>Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the
>extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak
>inside the
>cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being
>mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting
>fire to
>go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is,
>now the
>magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no
>chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs
>from.
>Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f.
>
>What am I missing here?
>
>Jerry Cochran
>
>From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior
>XP-IO360/FF
>sump question
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>Good Luck,
>
>Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and
>basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a
>"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about
>it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at the
>OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts soon,
>even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they
>parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that!
>
>Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within
>a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for Lyc's.
>The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the
>weight is supposed to be close.
>
>I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI
>informants.
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>
>
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| Subject: | Follow up to posting about KLX-135A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com" <mimartin@sweetwater.com>
I would like all the subscribers to know that Jim Irwin , President of Aircraft
Spruce and Specialty, corrected the price on the KLX-135A and gave me a credit
for the difference. They have proven that customer is # 1 and they are #1 with
me.
Mickey Martin RV 6
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| Subject: | Jefferson City, MO FLY-IN 10/09/04 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1@kc.rr.com>
Just a reminder that this Saturday is the annual Jefferson City, (JEF) MO.
Fly-in. Let's make sure the RV's outnumber everything else in total!
Looking forward to seeing you there.
David Schaefer
RV6A - N142DS - FINISHED & FLYING!!!
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
I mis-spoke. The currnet 406mhz ELT's are going for betwen $1500-1800.00
and up.
Sorry for the confusion.
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stein Bruch
Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
The new ELT's at the moment are quite pricey. I looked at stocking them,
but the only decently priced one out there that is (COSPAS/SARSAT) compliant
for 2009+ is high $$ compared to the current $180.00 ACK & AK's.
Anyway, if anyone is interested, pointer makes one in the $400.00-$500.00
range. If you're interested in one, contact me off list and we'll get you
setup.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
http://www.steinair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BRUCE GRAY
Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT?
--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
What do they have in store for us? And is it affordable? New and improved is
usually expensive.
>From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT?
>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:29:00 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
>Yes, both 121.5 and 243.0 will become obsolete.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Hey Randy, Are the EBC-502's also going. They work off both 121.5 and
>243.0?
> > If so that is a true bummer. Those thing's are small, light weight and
> > portable.
> >
> > >From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>, <rv-3@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: RV-List: ELT?
> > >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:44:37 -0700
> > >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> > >
> > >With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's
> > >still
> > >being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place
> > >aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this
> > >near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen
>product
> > >becomes more mature?
> > >
> > >Randy Lervold
> > >RV-3B, fuselage
> > >www.rv-3.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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"Rv7/7A List" <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>, "RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | LED Nav Lights for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
LED Nav lights for sale.
Brand new. Never used.
See website for details.
http://members.kingston.net/sjhdcl/Stuff%20for%20Sale/LED%20lights.htm
Do not archive.
Reply via email only please.
Steve Hurlbut
RV7A #2
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--> RV-List message posted by: "George & Ann Meketa" <acgm@gvtc.com>
Hello Y'all,
Have a few things lying around that I should let go of.
1. IO360 200HP Vetterman RV8 exhaust. Used 400 hours,
sent to Vetterman for flange repair and had no time to wait
and install new system. Clean bill of health by Larry. Has
4 EGT probe holes and no mounting hardware. New
$775.00 will let go for $500.00.
2. True Airspeed Indicator for RV8. Dual dial with V speed
markings and lighted. Like new. ASIT260MKL. New
$265.00 asking $200.00.
3. Oil cooler. Positech #4211. Latest updated version. Not
the old style which gave the bad reputation. Never installed.
Vans price $165.00, sell for $130.00.
4. Oil seperator. Aircraft Spruce #10570. Like new. Spruce
price $38.85 cheap at $20.00.
All items will be packed at no charge and shipping paid by purchaser
at actual cost.
George Meketa
N444TX, RV8, 530 hours
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| Subject: | Tight hinge pins |
1.67 SARE_ADLTSUB2 Contains possible adult words
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
Inserting the 0.90" hinge pins that join the top and bottom cowl requires a vice
grip on the last few inches. This seems to be a lot of force and breaking
a pin on insertion would be a large problem. I should note that I can't use
a drill to set the pins since the outside end is bent 90 degrees.
I'm hoping that the pins will wear-in somewhat after I'm flying or should I be
doing something to reduce the amount of force necessary to insert the pins?
As it is I'll will be replacing the originals with new pin stock before first flight.
The originals accumulate a lot of wear during the construction phase.
As for maintenance, how often should a person think of replacing these pins?
If anyone has had them break, how on earth did you remove them?
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Tight hinge pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Mike Holland wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
>
>Inserting the 0.90" hinge pins that join the top and bottom cowl requires a vice
grip on the last few inches. This seems to be a lot of force and breaking
a pin on insertion would be a large problem. I should note that I can't use
a drill to set the pins since the outside end is bent 90 degrees.
>
>I'm hoping that the pins will wear-in somewhat after I'm flying or should I be
doing something to reduce the amount of force necessary to insert the pins?
>
>As it is I'll will be replacing the originals with new pin stock before first
flight. The originals accumulate a lot of wear during the construction phase.
>
>As for maintenance, how often should a person think of replacing these pins?
>
Hmmm....Flying 15 years and have not thought about it yet. :-)
>
>If anyone has had them break, how on earth did you remove them?
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
I doubt they well break, but if they do it well most likely be at the
point where you bent the 90degree bend.
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| Subject: | Re: Tight hinge pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
Mike:
I very slightly reduced the diameter of the pins by scrubbing them with
red Scotchbrite pads.
My pins are also bent 90 degrees at the end, and that just seemed to make
spinning them in by slow-turning drill easier, as the chuck could get a grip
on the bend by sticking it through the space between two of the jaws.
Scott in vancouver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
Subject: RV-List: Tight hinge pins
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
>
> Inserting the 0.90" hinge pins that join the top and bottom cowl requires
> a vice grip on the last few inches. This seems to be a lot of force and
> breaking a pin on insertion would be a large problem. I should note that
> I can't use a drill to set the pins since the outside end is bent 90
> degrees.
>
> I'm hoping that the pins will wear-in somewhat after I'm flying or should
> I be doing something to reduce the amount of force necessary to insert the
> pins?
>
> As it is I'll will be replacing the originals with new pin stock before
> first flight. The originals accumulate a lot of wear during the
> construction phase.
>
> As for maintenance, how often should a person think of replacing these
> pins?
>
> If anyone has had them break, how on earth did you remove them?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tight hinge pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: Andy Karmy <andy@karmy.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
>
> I'm hoping that the pins will wear-in somewhat after I'm flying or
> should I be doing something to reduce the amount of force necessary to
> insert the pins?
>
>
You will be amazed at how they wear in. I had to use a drill on mine
during construction, but after 25 hours of flying I can put them in by
hand with no drill or vicegrips.
Keep with it and they will loosen up. I also used some LPS spray on
them the first few hours. I just spray it on a rag and wipe the pins to
slick them up.
- Andy Karmy
RV9A Seattle WA
275hrs going strong...
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| Subject: | Re: Tight hinge pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Mike,
I have my pins set up to insert forward through the NACA vents.
My hinge pins are fit quite tight and I have tried both Beolube and ordinary
bar soap.
Both of these materials applied to the hinge pins have provided some quite
reasonable success in reducing the friction.
My thought in using the bar of soap was that before painting I did not want
to pollute the area with unknown chemistry. Mind you I have little or no
knowledge as to the make up of either product. It just seemed to me that the
parts will be rinsed (wet sanded) some time be fore being painted.
In any case the overall struggle was reduced somewhat. Both materials seemed
to have about the same noticable level of benefit.
The pins can and in fact have broken. When installed from the front of the
cowl take great care to provide a very safe and secure means of installation
is needed. I do know of one case where one of the cowl hinge pins somehow
became un secured and vibration allowed it to do serious ($$ rebuild $$)
damage to a C.S. prop.
Have fun pulling your pin...s {[g-] !
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
Subject: RV-List: Tight hinge pins
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
>
> Inserting the 0.90" hinge pins that join the top and bottom cowl requires
> a vice grip on the last few inches. This seems to be a lot of force and
> breaking a pin on insertion would be a large problem. I should note that
> I can't use a drill to set the pins since the outside end is bent 90
> degrees.
>
> I'm hoping that the pins will wear-in somewhat after I'm flying or should
> I be doing something to reduce the amount of force necessary to insert the
> pins?
>
> As it is I'll will be replacing the originals with new pin stock before
> first flight. The originals accumulate a lot of wear during the
> construction phase.
>
> As for maintenance, how often should a person think of replacing these
> pins?
>
> If anyone has had them break, how on earth did you remove them?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rivet shavers/Flush rivets on VS |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
Ok - I have a couple more questions.
My VS flush rivets are all flush (don't laugh) except for a few where I didn't
countersink enough or the primer threw off my fit.
Anyway, I was wondering if I needed to flush these up. I don't know how critical
it is for these rivets to be perfectly flush when attaching to fuse.
Will the fuse to VS attach accept a couple high rivets, or does it need to be perfectly
flat?
If I can leave them alone I won't have to buy something to cut these down.
If I can't, then it leads me to my second question...
Has anybody tried the Avery rivet shaver that fits in a countersink tool? A "real"
rivet shaver is big bucks.
OR, is there an alternative to using a rivet shaver (Dremel tool, etc.)?
Thanks everybody,
Dave
RV-8
Emp. almost complete; wings on order.
Woodbridge, VA
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