---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/05/04: 64 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:45 AM - Re: Insurance Rates () 2. 04:00 AM - Re: RV-8 canopy (Steve Glasgow) 3. 04:48 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (Charles Rowbotham) 4. 05:45 AM - Re: Fuselage Order Follow-up (Bobby Hester) 5. 05:48 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (Mickey Coggins) 6. 06:08 AM - Sectional Wallpaper (Dana Overall) 7. 06:26 AM - Re: RV-8 canopy (Scott Bilinski) 8. 06:30 AM - Re: Insurance Rates (Sims, Doug) 9. 06:37 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (RV_8 Pilot) 10. 06:45 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (JOHN STARN) 11. 06:53 AM - Re: Insurance Rates (Sam Buchanan) 12. 07:19 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (JOHN STARN) 13. 08:00 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (Sam Buchanan) 14. 08:06 AM - Re: Off Topic - XPrize (Brian Denk) 15. 08:24 AM - Log Book Entries (Larry Bowen) 16. 09:14 AM - Re: Sectional Wallpaper (Tedd McHenry) 17. 09:33 AM - AWM (Wheeler North) 18. 09:41 AM - Re: Sectional Wallpaper (Sam Buchanan) 19. 09:46 AM - Re: Sectional Wallpaper (Scott Bilinski) 20. 10:14 AM - Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 21. 10:16 AM - Garmin 296 (Wheeler North) 22. 10:40 AM - Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats and stuff (RV_8 Pilot) 23. 10:40 AM - Re: Log Book Entries (Mike Robertson) 24. 10:43 AM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Scott Bilinski) 25. 10:49 AM - Re: Log Book Entries (Scott VanArtsdalen) 26. 11:01 AM - Re: Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats and stuff (Ken Simmons) 27. 11:03 AM - Re: Log Book Entries (David Fenstermacher) 28. 11:12 AM - Re: Log Book Entries (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 29. 11:13 AM - Re: Sectional Wallpaper (Dana Overall) 30. 11:24 AM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Scott.Fink@microchip.com) 31. 11:33 AM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (steve zicree) 32. 11:54 AM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (van Bladeren, Ron) 33. 11:59 AM - Re: Sectional Wallpaper(& shameless flyin plug) (Charlie England) 34. 12:00 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Richard Tasker) 35. 12:16 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Stein Bruch) 36. 12:21 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Bob J) 37. 12:22 PM - Re: Log Book Entries (Stein Bruch) 38. 12:30 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Bob J) 39. 12:38 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (cgalley) 40. 01:22 PM - Re: Log Book Entries (steve zicree) 41. 01:27 PM - Re: Log Book Entries (Scott VanArtsdalen) 42. 01:46 PM - ELT? (Randy Lervold) 43. 02:11 PM - Re: ELT? (BRUCE GRAY) 44. 02:42 PM - ECI (Wheeler North) 45. 02:42 PM - Re : Magnesium Sumps (Martin Hone) 46. 03:09 PM - Re: Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats and (Scott.Fink@microchip.com) 47. 03:30 PM - Re: ELT? (Randy Lervold) 48. 04:00 PM - Re: Sectional Wallpaper(& shameless flyin plug) (Chris W) 49. 04:03 PM - Re: ELT? (BRUCE GRAY) 50. 04:06 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club) 51. 04:11 PM - Re: ELT? (Brian Denk) 52. 04:40 PM - Re: ELT? (Stein Bruch) 53. 04:41 PM - Re: Magnesium sump? No thanx. (Charlie Kuss) 54. 05:15 PM - Follow up to posting about KLX-135A (mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com) 55. 06:43 PM - Jefferson City, MO FLY-IN 10/09/04 (David Schaefer) 56. 07:11 PM - Re: ELT? (Stein Bruch) 57. 07:25 PM - LED Nav Lights for Sale (Steve & Denise) 58. 08:21 PM - FOR SALE (George & Ann Meketa) 59. 08:24 PM - Tight hinge pins (Mike Holland) 60. 08:33 PM - Re: Tight hinge pins (Jerry Springer) 61. 09:14 PM - Re: Tight hinge pins (Scott Jackson) 62. 09:29 PM - Re: Tight hinge pins (Andy Karmy) 63. 10:16 PM - Re: Tight hinge pins (Jim Jewell) 64. 11:15 PM - Rivet shavers/Flush rivets on VS (David Fenstermacher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:47 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Insurance Rates --> RV-List message posted by: > I just got a quote back from Falcon, and I thought I would share it for any interested. Details as follows: > > - RV7A > - $60,000 hull value > - $0 Motion, $0 Not-in-motion deductibles > - 1,000,000/100,000 Liability > - Total premium - $1,776/yr > > I am instrument rated and have 300 hrs TT (0 make and model). > Scott, here is what I paid at the first of the year for my -6A. RV-6A $51000 hull value (I'll need to up that, I think) $250 motion/$50 not-in-motion deductibles $1000000/$100000 liability Total premium, to include taxes - $983 At the time of the premium, I had 1925 hours total and 318 in the RV. I'm a VFR pilot. I got this coverage through NationAir. John Helms said he could beat my previous agent's prices; and, he did by over $300. My previous agent got $1342 from me, the previous year. I guess my no longer being a member of the American Yankee Association, a Grumman/American special interest group, took me off the group plan that they offered. Since John has the group thing for RVs, that seems to be where I'll be for a while. The sad thing is that I'd insured my airplanes with that other agency for 12 years. You'd think I'd be a preferred customer. Not so. It works the other way, the longer one stays with an insurance company, the more likely they are to up one's rates. I've found that it pays to shop around, even if one doesn't change companies. Just knowing the customer is shopping around may get an agent to get a lower rate. At that point, though, I'm ready to switch. If an agent can get me a lower rate due to a scare tactic, he doesn't deserve my business. Jim Sears in KY RV-6A N198JS (Scooter) RV-7A #70317 (Building wings, fuselage ordered) do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:45 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" Hi Jim, I believe the problem is due to air not moving from front to back through the entire fuselage. Some how the air backs up around the aft area of the canopy, then lift produced by the canopy creates a low pressure area and there is a tendency to lift the canopy at the back. Early on I devised a set of louvers that I installed on each aft fuselage inspection panels and I have never had a problem since I started flying Cappy=92s Toy. The louvers were stainless steel purchased form West Marine. They fit perfectly and I just riveted them to the inspection panels and later painted them. Steve Glasgow RV 8, N123GS, Cappy's Toy 140 Hours ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:25 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: Off Topic - XPrize --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Now's the time for the RV-11 (aka RV-U2) Chuck >From: Jim Duckett >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Off Topic - XPrize >Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:38:31 -0600 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Duckett > >Okay Guys it's time to pressure Van as to when the RV-? transatmospheric >prototype will be underway in the "Skunkworks". >This morning the doors to the shop were closed as we all watched Burt >Rutan's design "Spaceship One" become the first non-government >sponsored, heck the first any sponsored ship, do a less than two week >turn around into space for the second time and win the X-Prize. >Does this mean that the EAA is now also the Experimental Aerospace >Association? > >Jim Duckett, a non-government funded Experimental Aircraft >Builder...Now, more than ever...damn proud of it!!! > > >Do Not Archive > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:17 AM PST US From: "Bobby Hester" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuselage Order Follow-up --> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Hester" > -----Original Message----- > From: "" > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:09 (CDT) > Subject: RV-List: Fuselage Order Follow-up > > --> RV-List message posted by: "" > > > All, > > As a follow-up to my earlier question...would anyone be able to point me to > or send me a picture of the manual aileron and manual flap controls? I'm > still trying to visualize what they look like and where they are located. > > Thanks in advance, > Scott > 7A Wings > www.scottsrv7a.com > Since your building a 7A I thought you might mean manual elevator trim not flaps. If so go here: http://members.hopkinsville.net/bhester/FuseAssyPg4.htm ------- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY RV7A web site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:42 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: RE: RV-List: Off Topic - XPrize --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Hi, Has anyone seen a number for what it would cost to build a second SpaceShipOne and a second White Knight, now that the investment in R&D has been done? Also, what does it cost in fuel and other consumables for each flight? Thanks, Mickey -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:15 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Sectional Wallpaper --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Hey gang, I'm "decorating" my new office and want to make one wall a sectional of the entire US. Somewhere, sometime I've seen actual wallpaper instead of sticking together the entire sectional package. Can anybody point me in the right direction? Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:08 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 canopy --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Talked to the winning biplane racer guy at Reno air races, he said to make sure you have no air flowing through the fuse. Seal up the entire fuse as best as possible. I think this is a better idea than letting the air out. Just the opposite of the previous post, both ideas will work, take your pick. At 06:59 AM 10/5/2004 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" > >Hi Jim, > > >I believe the problem is due to air not moving from front to back through >the entire fuselage. Some how the air backs up around the aft area of the >canopy, then lift produced by the canopy creates a low pressure area and >there is a tendency to lift the canopy at the back. > > >Early on I devised a set of louvers that I installed on each aft fuselage >inspection panels and I have never had a problem since I started flying >Cappy=92s Toy. The louvers were stainless steel purchased form West >Marine. They fit perfectly and I just riveted them to the inspection >panels and later painted them. > > >Steve Glasgow > >RV 8, N123GS, Cappy's Toy > >140 Hours > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:55 AM PST US From: "Sims, Doug" Subject: RE: RV-List: Insurance Rates --> RV-List message posted by: "Sims, Doug" My quote from Falcon was $2,400 for an Rv8 valued at 80,000. same limits 400 hrs IFR rated projected to have 20 hours tailwheel 10 hours in type. RV8 Finishing Kit -----Original Message----- From: sears@searnet.com [mailto:sears@searnet.com] Subject: Re: RV-List: Insurance Rates --> RV-List message posted by: > I just got a quote back from Falcon, and I thought I would share it for any interested. Details as follows: > > - RV7A > - $60,000 hull value > - $0 Motion, $0 Not-in-motion deductibles > - 1,000,000/100,000 Liability > - Total premium - $1,776/yr > > I am instrument rated and have 300 hrs TT (0 make and model). > Scott, here is what I paid at the first of the year for my -6A. RV-6A $51000 hull value (I'll need to up that, I think) $250 motion/$50 not-in-motion deductibles $1000000/$100000 liability Total premium, to include taxes - $983 At the time of the premium, I had 1925 hours total and 318 in the RV. I'm a VFR pilot. I got this coverage through NationAir. John Helms said he could beat my previous agent's prices; and, he did by over $300. My previous agent got $1342 from me, the previous year. I guess my no longer being a member of the American Yankee Association, a Grumman/American special interest group, took me off the group plan that they offered. Since John has the group thing for RVs, that seems to be where I'll be for a while. The sad thing is that I'd insured my airplanes with that other agency for 12 years. You'd think I'd be a preferred customer. Not so. It works the other way, the longer one stays with an insurance company, the more likely they are to up one's rates. I've found that it pays to shop around, even if one doesn't change companies. Just knowing the customer is shopping around may get an agent to get a lower rate. At that point, though, I'm ready to switch. If an agent can get me a lower rate due to a scare tactic, he doesn't deserve my business. Jim Sears in KY RV-6A N198JS (Scooter) RV-7A #70317 (Building wings, fuselage ordered) do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:30 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: RE: RV-List: Off Topic - XPrize --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" Good questions... NASA gets beat up over their multi-thousand dollar tools & devices - but that's usually factoring in all their development and overheads. Without factoring in the development and overheads, I bet you could build another ship (SpaceShipTwo) for dirt cheap! Wouldn't even need another White Knight. Even with the overheads, what would the second machine cost - $500,000 for the ship and half what they sunk to develop no.1 (say, $20 mil). That's $10.5mil total. I'm just guessing on the costs. But it's refreshing to be looking at so few zeros and also to know it's an.... EXPERIMENTAL!!!!!! I see a new bumper sticker... "Keep flying your government approved planes; Rutan & I will be flying homebuilts!", copyright 2004, Bryan Jones ;) do not archive Bryan >Hi, > >Has anyone seen a number for what it would cost to build >a second SpaceShipOne and a second White Knight, now that >the investment in R&D has been done? Also, what does it >cost in fuel and other consumables for each flight? > >Thanks, >Mickey > >-- >Mickey Coggins >http://www.rv8.ch/ >#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:52 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic - XPrize --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" The only comment I heard was that a "commerical" verison is allready under construction and would be the one that Rutan & Allen, and anyone with the big bucks, would ride in. Nothing said if a "new" White Knight would have to be built to launch the larger, roomier Spaceship II. No prices was quoted. KABONG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mickey Coggins" Subject: RE: RV-List: Off Topic - XPrize > --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > Hi, > > Has anyone seen a number for what it would cost to build > a second SpaceShipOne and a second White Knight, now that > the investment in R&D has been done? Also, what does it > cost in fuel and other consumables for each flight? > > Thanks, > Mickey > > -- > Mickey Coggins > http://www.rv8.ch/ > #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:13 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Insurance Rates --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan tx_jayhawk@excite.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "" > > > All, > > I just got a quote back from Falcon, and I thought I would share it for any interested. Details as follows: > > - RV7A > - $60,000 hull value > - $0 Motion, $0 Not-in-motion deductibles > - 1,000,000/100,000 Liability > - Total premium - $1,776/yr > > I am instrument rated and have 300 hrs TT (0 make and model). > Another option that apparently is not known to all RV builders is GIM and GRIM. Ground in Motion coverage provides liability and medical at all times but the hull coverage ceases once the aircraft rolls onto the active runway. Ground Not in Motion coverage includes liability and medical at all times but hull coverage ceases once the engine starts. I have used Ground Not in Motion coverage for several years since my main concern is protection of the RV while it is parked (wind, fire, theft, vandalism, hangar collapse, etc). I figure that if I ball up the RV either the incident will be so severe that I won't be around to consider the consequences or if the incident is not as dire, I am willing to accept the responsibility for my goof and will want to repair the aircraft myself. GIM and GNIM carry premiums that are much less than full hull coverage. These options are worth considering for the owner who is willing to self-insure the hull. I am not an insurance agent or expert; your agent can give you more info on these matters. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:14 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic - XPrize --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Do not archive Wonder who got the "repairman's certificate" ?. 8*) KABONG > I'm just guessing on the costs. But it's refreshing to be looking at so > few > zeros and also to know it's an.... EXPERIMENTAL!!!!!! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:01 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic - XPrize --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan JOHN STARN wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" > > Wonder who got the "repairman's certificate" ?. 8*) KABONG > > >>I'm just guessing on the costs. But it's refreshing to be looking at so >>few >>zeros and also to know it's an.... EXPERIMENTAL!!!!!! What I'm wondering is how they intend to deal with the "non-commercial" (no paying passengers) aspect of experimental aircraft. :-) Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:10 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic - XPrize --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >Do not archive >Wonder who got the "repairman's certificate" ?. 8*) KABONG > > > I'm just guessing on the costs. But it's refreshing to be looking at so > > few > > zeros and also to know it's an.... EXPERIMENTAL!!!!!! Must be why my life insurance quote yesterday was almost double that of a certified airplane pilot..."oh, you fly an experimental, sorry, that will cost you a little more". They must be offsetting the low costs with my premiums via the insurance syndicate...uh..industry. Go figure. Though the ship is plastic, my hat's off to Rutan and co. Attaboys and beers all around! Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:01 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entries From: "Larry Bowen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc... Thx, - Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:09 AM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: Sectional Wallpaper --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry Dana: I don't know about sectional wallpaper, but you might see if you can get yourself some JNCs (Jet Navigation Charts). These are 1:2,000,000 charts that are about 42" by 58", and cover large areas. For example, JNC 43 covers western North America from the Baja peninsula to the tip of Vancouver Island. Three JNCs cover all of the continental U.S.A., plus part of Mexico and Canada (JNC 43, 44, and 45, I think). That would cover an area about 100" wide and 60" tall. I don't know if anybody other than the military uses them, but if you have any Air Force or Navy contacts they might be able to get you some. Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC, Canada DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:31 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: AWM --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Doug, I would add that the AWM 12V Cig connector is about as cheap as they come. Little plastic tang inside failed allowing internal +12v spring to slide back into the V-reg circuit board causing direct short. Case was glued shut, so the repairability was marginal. Connector into IPAQ is also very weak, and needs to be properly supported. Broke two until I figured out how to support this with a tang in back of connector riveted to the bottom of the RAM mount. W ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:13 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Sectional Wallpaper --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Tedd McHenry wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > > Dana: > > I don't know about sectional wallpaper, but you might see if you can get > yourself some JNCs (Jet Navigation Charts). These are 1:2,000,000 charts that > are about 42" by 58", and cover large areas. For example, JNC 43 covers > western North America from the Baja peninsula to the tip of Vancouver Island. > Three JNCs cover all of the continental U.S.A., plus part of Mexico and Canada > (JNC 43, 44, and 45, I think). That would cover an area about 100" wide and > 60" tall. > > I don't know if anybody other than the military uses them, but if you have any > Air Force or Navy contacts they might be able to get you some. The large (57" x 120") inexpensive JNC's are available from Builders Bookstore: http://www.pilotsbooks.com/wallcharts.htm I applied the largest JNC to our hangar wall with wallpaper paste. The same could be done with sectionals. Matching up the borders is a little tedious but definitely possible. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:29 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Sectional Wallpaper --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski I have one of the JNC charts it covers the whole US. Its great for flight planning, I have one on the wall and one in my flight bag, 11" = ~3 hours. The only down side is it does not have the outline of the states. At 09:13 AM 10/5/2004 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > >Dana: > >I don't know about sectional wallpaper, but you might see if you can get >yourself some JNCs (Jet Navigation Charts). These are 1:2,000,000 charts that >are about 42" by 58", and cover large areas. For example, JNC 43 covers >western North America from the Baja peninsula to the tip of Vancouver Island. >Three JNCs cover all of the continental U.S.A., plus part of Mexico and Canada >(JNC 43, 44, and 45, I think). That would cover an area about 100" wide and >60" tall. > >I don't know if anybody other than the military uses them, but if you have any >Air Force or Navy contacts they might be able to get you some. > >Tedd McHenry >Surrey, BC, Canada >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:31 AM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Stein, Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak inside the cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting fire to go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, now the magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs from. Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f. What am I missing here? Jerry Cochran From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Good Luck, Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a "replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at the OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts soon, even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that! Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for Lyc's. The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the weight is supposed to be close. I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI informants. Cheers, Stein Bruch ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:37 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296 --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Well, If one were to propel their Garmin 296 or 196 at 25,000 kts I think it might penetrate the containment vessal of an NGS, but the readabilty in the nuclear afterglow would be insufficient during and after the test. But, I don't fully agree with the comments about the validity of the F4 test. The P&W 4000 series engines have a central core that is equal to a 4000lb tempered steel javelin. Although its somewhat hollow these in fact did make their way completely through both world trade center buildings, and the P&W 2000 series cores had similar penetration results in the pentegon after bouncing off the ground. As far as I know nothing in an F-4 has that kind of mass or penetration quality. In fact the engines were somewhat cushioned/decelerated by the front half of the aircraft in this test. It was a comparision of apples to pizza, both go down equally tasty but they come back up very differently. The rest of any airliner is just a big aluminum balloon that would bounce off the outer containment vessal, although some of the keel segments would add to the damage if the engine cores were able to shatter enough of the shell. That said, the one nuke I've been in still had several more layers of containment after the outer shell before one even got to fuel supplies, then even more to get to the hot section of the station. I would be far more concerned about a 747 hitting the side of a carrier or boomer than one of our NGS's. W ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:56 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats and stuff --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" >I would be far more concerned about a 747 hitting the side of a carrier or >boomer than one of our NGS's. > >W Speaking of carriers, which I thought had as one of their layers of defense Phalanx (?) radar controlled Gatling gun systems. Why aren't these being used for to protect places like the Capital, Pentagon, Camp David, P-49, etc. etc.? Maybe they are... Anything that can shoot an artillery shell out of the air at close range seems like a pretty good defensive weapon in this case. DO NOT ARCHIVE Bryan ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:56 AM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" Check out FAR 43.9 and 43.11. 43.9 covers the things required for maintenance entries and 43.11 covers those things required for an inspection entry. Mike Robertson >From: "Larry Bowen" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entries >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:23:22 -0400 (EDT) > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > >What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and >shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc... > >Thx, > >- >Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs >Larry@BowenAero.com >http://BowenAero.com > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:16 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Bottom line, with a mass that big it will be very difficult to light, but, once it is lit, dont be landing in any water thinking your going to put it out!!!!! anyone know the combustion temp of Mag. At 01:14 PM 10/5/2004 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > >Stein, > >Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the >extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak >inside the >cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being >mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting >fire to >go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, >now the >magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no >chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs >from. >Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f. > >What am I missing here? > >Jerry Cochran > >From: "Stein Bruch" >Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior >XP-IO360/FF >sump question > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > >Good Luck, > >Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and >basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a >"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about >it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at the >OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts soon, >even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they >parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that! > >Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within >a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for Lyc's. >The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the >weight is supposed to be close. > >I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI >informants. > >Cheers, >Stein Bruch > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:21 AM PST US From: "Scott VanArtsdalen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" I'll reply with what my genuine FAA airworthiness inspector told me. He told me not to enter anything in the logbooks other than "Annual condition inspection performed on " whatever date. He specifically told me that any other maintenance items I wanted to track should be in a separate personal log. Fresno FSDO words, not mine. -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV 4-ever! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc... Thx, - Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com == == == == ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:20 AM PST US From: "Ken Simmons" Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats and stuff --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" Maybe because they have no IFF. Someone would have to stand there and be ready to turn them on active when ordered. When it's on it kills everything within its search paramaters until it runs out of ammo. My brother worked on these in the Navy and their motto was "If it flies it dies". Ken ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "RV_8 Pilot" >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" > >>I would be far more concerned about a 747 hitting the side of a carrier or >>boomer than one of our NGS's. >> >>W > >Speaking of carriers, which I thought had as one of their layers of defense >Phalanx (?) radar controlled Gatling gun systems. Why aren't these being >used for to protect places like the Capital, Pentagon, Camp David, P-49, >etc. etc.? Maybe they are... > >Anything that can shoot an artillery shell out of the air at close range >seems like a pretty good defensive weapon in this case. > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > >Bryan > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:45 AM PST US From: "David Fenstermacher" Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" This raises a question for me. What is the reference for the builder's log? I am keeping a "journal" and taking lots of pictures (some with me working). Is there anything else I should be doing? I know there are commercial computer programs, but don't feel the need to buy one if I can do it in MS Word. Thanks, Dave > >What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and > >shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc... > > > >Thx, > > > >- > >Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs > >Larry@BowenAero.com > >http://BowenAero.com > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:35 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Dave, I think that is all you'll need. That's about what I did and the FAA guy (when I applied for my repairman's certificate) leafed through my steno-type log book then said, "Let's look at your pictures, they say a lot more than words." I only had about a dozen pictures. He was more than satisfied. Dan Hopper RV-7A N766DH (Flying since 7/7/04 -- about 58 hours now) In a message dated 10/5/04 1:04:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time, dfenstermacher@earthlink.net writes: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" < > dfenstermacher@earthlink.net> > > This raises a question for me. > What is the reference for the builder's log? > I am keeping a "journal" and taking lots of pictures (some with me working). > Is there anything else I should be doing? > I know there are commercial computer programs, but don't feel the need to > buy one if I can do it in MS Word. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:37 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Sectional Wallpaper --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Thanks gang, I've got the perfect 10' wall for it go on. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive >From: Sam Buchanan >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sectional Wallpaper >Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:40:56 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > >Tedd McHenry wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > > > > Dana: > > > > I don't know about sectional wallpaper, but you might see if you can get > > yourself some JNCs (Jet Navigation Charts). These are 1:2,000,000 >charts that > > are about 42" by 58", and cover large areas. For example, JNC 43 covers > > western North America from the Baja peninsula to the tip of Vancouver >Island. > > Three JNCs cover all of the continental U.S.A., plus part of Mexico and >Canada > > (JNC 43, 44, and 45, I think). That would cover an area about 100" wide >and > > 60" tall. > > > > I don't know if anybody other than the military uses them, but if you >have any > > Air Force or Navy contacts they might be able to get you some. > > >The large (57" x 120") inexpensive JNC's are available from Builders >Bookstore: > >http://www.pilotsbooks.com/wallcharts.htm > >I applied the largest JNC to our hangar wall with wallpaper paste. The >same could be done with sectionals. Matching up the borders is a little >tedious but definitely possible. > >Sam Buchanan > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. From: Scott.Fink@microchip.com 10/05/2004 11:26:44 AM, Serialize complete at 10/05/2004 11:26:44 AM --> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com > anyone know the combustion temp of Mag. Less than that of motor oil. The old VW bugs had either a magnesium case or cylinders, and if they got coated with leaked oil, and the oil caught, the mag would light. When the fire dept shows up at the fire, they would stand around and watch it burn because there was nothing they could do about it. Scott Scott Bilinski Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com 10/05/2004 10:43 AM Please respond to rv-list To: rv-list@matronics.com cc: Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Bottom line, with a mass that big it will be very difficult to light, but, once it is lit, dont be landing in any water thinking your going to put it out!!!!! anyone know the combustion temp of Mag. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:27 AM PST US From: "steve zicree" Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" I have personally witnessed a volkswagen engine case ignite in a campfire. Didn't seem to take too long to catch, and once it's going, there's no putting it out. I suspect that the alloy used in the sump is probably less flammable though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Bilinski" Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > Bottom line, with a mass that big it will be very difficult to light, but, > once it is lit, dont be landing in any water thinking your going to put it > out!!!!! > > anyone know the combustion temp of Mag. > > > At 01:14 PM 10/5/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > > > > >Stein, > > > >Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the > >extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak > >inside the > >cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being > >mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting > >fire to > >go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, > >now the > >magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no > >chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs > >from. > >Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f. > > > >What am I missing here? > > > >Jerry Cochran > > > >From: "Stein Bruch" > >Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior > >XP-IO360/FF > >sump question > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > > > >Good Luck, > > > >Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and > >basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a > >"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about > >it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at the > >OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts soon, > >even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they > >parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that! > > > >Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within > >a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for Lyc's. > >The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the > >weight is supposed to be close. > > > >I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI > >informants. > > > >Cheers, > >Stein Bruch > > > > > > > Scott Bilinski > Eng dept 305 > Phone (858) 657-2536 > Pager (858) 502-5190 > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:43 AM PST US From: "van Bladeren, Ron" Subject: RE: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" I believe the oil pan, accessory case and engine mount arms on the O-300, arguably the most common, small block, Continental engine produced, are magnesium and they don't seem to have any problems (other then corrosion pitting). Ron. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Bottom line, with a mass that big it will be very difficult to light, but, once it is lit, dont be landing in any water thinking your going to put it out!!!!! anyone know the combustion temp of Mag. At 01:14 PM 10/5/2004 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > >Stein, > >Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the >extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak >inside the >cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being >mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting >fire to >go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, >now the >magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no >chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs >from. >Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f. > >What am I missing here? > >Jerry Cochran > >From: "Stein Bruch" >Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior >XP-IO360/FF >sump question > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > >Good Luck, > >Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and >basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a >"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about >it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at the >OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts soon, >even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they >parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that! > >Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within >a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for Lyc's. >The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the >weight is supposed to be close. > >I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI >informants. > >Cheers, >Stein Bruch > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:03 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Sectional Wallpaper(& shameless flyin plug) --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Sam Buchanan wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > >Tedd McHenry wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry >> >>Dana: >> >>I don't know about sectional wallpaper, but you might see if you can get >>yourself some JNCs (Jet Navigation Charts). These are 1:2,000,000 charts that >>are about 42" by 58", and cover large areas. For example, JNC 43 covers >>western North America from the Baja peninsula to the tip of Vancouver Island. >>Three JNCs cover all of the continental U.S.A., plus part of Mexico and Canada >>(JNC 43, 44, and 45, I think). That would cover an area about 100" wide and >>60" tall. >> >>I don't know if anybody other than the military uses them, but if you have any >>Air Force or Navy contacts they might be able to get you some. >> >> > > >The large (57" x 120") inexpensive JNC's are available from Builders >Bookstore: > >http://www.pilotsbooks.com/wallcharts.htm > >I applied the largest JNC to our hangar wall with wallpaper paste. The >same could be done with sectionals. Matching up the borders is a little >tedious but definitely possible. > >Sam Buchanan > We did the same thing (under glass) for the top surface of our breakfast bar. I fought it tooth my wife insisted on it & of course it looks great & is the focal point of our house for visitors. I agree that it's tedious to match the edges, but no gentleman (or lady) will ever point out the flaws. :-) Come on down to Slobovia Outernational (MS71) on Oct. 16 & check it out while you eat some BBQ. Charlie ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:56 PM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker The VWs had a Magnesium/Aluminum alloy case. Cylinders were steel. This reminds me of an incident many years ago in San Antonio. VW of America built a new regional warehouse in San Antonio - but to save money, they built it just outside the city limits. It caught fire one night and the city would not respond since it was outside their jurisdiction. Burned to the ground - very spectacular with all the spare cases and engines in stock! They did not rebuild there... Dick Tasker Do not archive Scott.Fink@microchip.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com > > > >>anyone know the combustion temp of Mag. >> >> > >Less than that of motor oil. The old VW bugs had either a magnesium case >or cylinders, and if they got coated with leaked oil, and the oil caught, >the mag would light. When the fire dept shows up at the fire, they would >stand around and watch it burn because there was nothing they could do >about it. > >Scott > > >Scott Bilinski >Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >10/05/2004 10:43 AM >Please respond to rv-list > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:22 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" I think I mis-spoke in an earlier email. Replace Magnesium with Titanium...... We better get the thing right from the horses mouth instead of third hand from me. I'll call ECI today if I get a chance to find out what it's really going to be made of. Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Stein, Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak inside the cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting fire to go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, now the magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs from. Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f. What am I missing here? Jerry Cochran From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior XP-IO360/FF sump question --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Good Luck, Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a "replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at the OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts soon, even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that! Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for Lyc's. The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the weight is supposed to be close. I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI informants. Cheers, Stein Bruch ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:51 PM PST US From: Bob J Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: Bob J Jerry, you are missing the fact that Lycoming sumps are made from cast magnesium, and have been since the birth of the Lycosaur. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 qb under const. On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:14:04 EDT, jerry2dt@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > Stein, > > Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the > extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak inside the > cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being > mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting fire to > go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, now the > magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no > chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs from. > Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f. > > What am I missing here? > > Jerry Cochran ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:38 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" What kind of genuine FAA inspector is that? An airframe maintenance log is exactly that, and should have everything from oil changes, annual inspections, structural repairs, modificiations, etc.... Of course engine work is reserved for an engine log. You don't need two airframe logs. Think of the records for the aircraft just like medical records for a person. Personally, I don't write down little things like tighening a screw, but I do record any oil changes, wheel bearing packing, brake pads during the annual, etc.. Also, the statement the FAA guy told you isn't even of the proper legal terminology. The statement can be found in the AC43.13 and the annual inspection should start out saying: "I have inspected this aircraft in accordance with a XXXX inspection.....". Just my experience in the Experimental as well as certified world. Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6's, Minneapolis A&P -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott VanArtsdalen Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" I'll reply with what my genuine FAA airworthiness inspector told me. He told me not to enter anything in the logbooks other than "Annual condition inspection performed on " whatever date. He specifically told me that any other maintenance items I wanted to track should be in a separate personal log. Fresno FSDO words, not mine. -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV 4-ever! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc... Thx, - Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com == == == == ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:05 PM PST US From: Bob J Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: Bob J 540's have always had cast magnesium sumps, not sure about the four-cyl. engines. My apologies in advance if I caused any confusion. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 qb under const On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:21:28 -0500, Bob J wrote: > Jerry, you are missing the fact that Lycoming sumps are made from cast > magnesium, and have been since the birth of the Lycosaur. > > Regards, > Bob Japundza > RV-6 flying F1 qb under const. > > > > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:14:04 EDT, jerry2dt@aol.com wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > > > Stein, > > > > Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the > > extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak inside the > > cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being > > mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting fire to > > go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, now the > > magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no > > chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs from. > > Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f. > > > > What am I missing here? > > > > Jerry Cochran > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:35 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" You are missing the fact that many engines already use magnesium cases. For example the old A-65 accessory case with it's built in oil pump housing is magnesium. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > > Stein, > > Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the > extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak inside the > cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being > mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting fire to > go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, now the > magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no > chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs from. > Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f. > > What am I missing here? > > Jerry Cochran > > From: "Stein Bruch" > Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior > XP-IO360/FF > sump question > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > > Good Luck, > > Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and > basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a > "replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about > it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at the > OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts soon, > even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they > parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that! > > Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within > a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for Lyc's. > The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the > weight is supposed to be close. > > I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI > informants. > > Cheers, > Stein Bruch > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:20 PM PST US From: "steve zicree" Subject: Re: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" All the legalities notwithstanding, which type of log would you rather see if you were considering BUYING said aircraft? This point alone justifies keeping records of everything short of wiping bugs off the canopy, IMHO of course : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > > What kind of genuine FAA inspector is that? An airframe maintenance log is > exactly that, and should have everything from oil changes, annual > inspections, structural repairs, modificiations, etc.... Of course engine > work is reserved for an engine log. You don't need two airframe logs. > > Think of the records for the aircraft just like medical records for a > person. Personally, I don't write down little things like tighening a > screw, but I do record any oil changes, wheel bearing packing, brake pads > during the annual, etc.. Also, the statement the FAA guy told you isn't even > of the proper legal terminology. The statement can be found in the AC43.13 > and the annual inspection should start out saying: "I have inspected this > aircraft in accordance with a XXXX inspection.....". > > Just my experience in the Experimental as well as certified world. > > Cheers, > Stein Bruch > RV6's, Minneapolis > A&P > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott > VanArtsdalen > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" > > I'll reply with what my genuine FAA airworthiness inspector told me. He > told me not to enter anything in the logbooks other than "Annual > condition inspection performed on " whatever date. He specifically told > me that any other maintenance items I wanted to track should be in a > separate personal log. Fresno FSDO words, not mine. > > -- > Scott VanArtsdalen > RV-4 N311SV > 4-ever! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entries > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and > shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc... > > Thx, > > - > Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > > == > == > == > == > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:25 PM PST US From: "Scott VanArtsdalen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" I'm with you on that. I'm just passing on what was said. -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV 4-ever! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" What kind of genuine FAA inspector is that? An airframe maintenance log is exactly that, and should have everything from oil changes, annual inspections, structural repairs, modificiations, etc.... Of course engine work is reserved for an engine log. You don't need two airframe logs. Think of the records for the aircraft just like medical records for a person. Personally, I don't write down little things like tighening a screw, but I do record any oil changes, wheel bearing packing, brake pads during the annual, etc.. Also, the statement the FAA guy told you isn't even of the proper legal terminology. The statement can be found in the AC43.13 and the annual inspection should start out saying: "I have inspected this aircraft in accordance with a XXXX inspection.....". Just my experience in the Experimental as well as certified world. Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6's, Minneapolis A&P -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott VanArtsdalen Subject: RE: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" I'll reply with what my genuine FAA airworthiness inspector told me. He told me not to enter anything in the logbooks other than "Annual condition inspection performed on " whatever date. He specifically told me that any other maintenance items I wanted to track should be in a separate personal log. Fresno FSDO words, not mine. -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV 4-ever! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entries --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" What is a good reference for various log book entries? What should (and shouldn't) be annotated in each log book? Format? Examples? Etc... Thx, - Larry Bowen, RV-8 5.2 hrs Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com == == == == == == == == ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:13 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: RV-List: ELT? --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's still being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen product becomes more mature? Randy Lervold RV-3B, fuselage www.rv-3.com ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:51 PM PST US From: "BRUCE GRAY" Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT? --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" Hey Randy, Are the EBC-502's also going. They work off both 121.5 and 243.0? If so that is a true bummer. Those thing's are small, light weight and portable. >From: "Randy Lervold" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: , >Subject: RV-List: ELT? >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:44:37 -0700 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > >With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's >still >being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place >aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this >near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen product >becomes more mature? > >Randy Lervold >RV-3B, fuselage >www.rv-3.com > > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:21 PM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: ECI --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Ken, call Tim Mooreland (800) 324-2359 in ECI's Oregon office, He is one of the nicest guys in the world. They have done several major presentations at our IA Renewal Seminar that we give for free down here in the deep south. These guys show up, bring all kinds of cool stuff, put on a great presentation, all for nothing, and the last time around they really didn't do much to pontificate their products. They were right on task talking about measuring, calibration, metaurology, etc for their entire pitch. They are very knowledgeable and love sharing that knowledge with anyone, customer or not. Don't know if its a good idea to say I sent you though, he might charge you double... ;{) Also be aware that you can get lower prices through their bulk vendors than you can direct from them. They won't compete against their best vendors. That's true for both companies. Suggest you buy from out of state as shipping is usually less than tax. W do not archive ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:33 PM PST US From: "Martin Hone" Subject: RV-List: Re : Magnesium Sumps --> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" Seems to be a fair bit of anecdotal evidence that magnesium burns easily, but in my experience you need a lot of heat to get it to burn. If you have that much going on, you would be in trouble anyway. Even the aluminum would burn away. Heck, you can even weld the stuff ! I have no problem riding behind an engine with magnesium cases or sump. Cheers Martin in Oz ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats and stuff From: Scott.Fink@microchip.com 10/05/2004 03:12:01 PM, Serialize complete at 10/05/2004 03:12:01 PM --> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com It may not be too popular with the votors if you spray thousands of rounds/min down the mall during a big rally or something, even if you do manage to protect the Capital. Scott "RV_8 Pilot" Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com 10/05/2004 10:36 AM Please respond to rv-list To: rv-list@matronics.com cc: Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296? Off topic discussion about security threats and stuff --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" >I would be far more concerned about a 747 hitting the side of a carrier or >boomer than one of our NGS's. > >W Speaking of carriers, which I thought had as one of their layers of defense Phalanx (?) radar controlled Gatling gun systems. Why aren't these being used for to protect places like the Capital, Pentagon, Camp David, P-49, etc. etc.? Maybe they are... Anything that can shoot an artillery shell out of the air at close range seems like a pretty good defensive weapon in this case. DO NOT ARCHIVE Bryan ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:20 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT? --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" Yes, both 121.5 and 243.0 will become obsolete. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BRUCE GRAY" Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT? > --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" > > Hey Randy, Are the EBC-502's also going. They work off both 121.5 and 243.0? > If so that is a true bummer. Those thing's are small, light weight and > portable. > > >From: "Randy Lervold" > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: , > >Subject: RV-List: ELT? > >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:44:37 -0700 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > >With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's > >still > >being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place > >aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this > >near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen product > >becomes more mature? > > > >Randy Lervold > >RV-3B, fuselage > >www.rv-3.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:54 PM PST US From: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sectional Wallpaper(& shameless flyin plug) --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Someone on the rec.aviation.piloting news group asked a similar question with out much response a while back. However I did find out from that thread that you can download very high res tiff images of the sectionals. If people think it would be worth while I could try and past them together and make a huge map. I have a friend that has a 44" wide ink jet printer and can print any length for about 6$ per square foot. I know it is expensive but if your just doing it once. . . I will have to check to see if he can do it cheaper if it's not on that glossy photo paper he normally uses. -- Chris W Bring Back the HP 15C http://hp15c.org Not getting the gifts you want? The Wish Zone can help. http://thewishzone.com ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:07 PM PST US From: "BRUCE GRAY" Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT? --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" What do they have in store for us? And is it affordable? New and improved is usually expensive. >From: "Randy Lervold" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT? >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:29:00 -0700 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > >Yes, both 121.5 and 243.0 will become obsolete. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "BRUCE GRAY" >To: >Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT? > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" > > > > Hey Randy, Are the EBC-502's also going. They work off both 121.5 and >243.0? > > If so that is a true bummer. Those thing's are small, light weight and > > portable. > > > > >From: "Randy Lervold" > > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > > >To: , > > >Subject: RV-List: ELT? > > >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:44:37 -0700 > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > > > >With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's > > >still > > >being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place > > >aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this > > >near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen >product > > >becomes more mature? > > > > > >Randy Lervold > > >RV-3B, fuselage > > >www.rv-3.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:28 PM PST US From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" cgalley wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" > >You are missing the fact that many engines already use magnesium cases. For >example the old A-65 accessory case with it's built in oil pump housing is >magnesium. > > most all of you have flown with engines using a lot of Magnesium. Even Frank Christen used to sell the Bosses and the Mag rod to weld the boss's onto the Magnesium sumps for his inverted oil systems. Some needed them and others didnt. It is not a real big thing to weld Mag with a 6000 degree tig torch. I'm not sure of the temp but it is hot. and Mag welds as easily as aluminum. Ever wonder how to tell mag from aluminum when you are not sure? One way is the weight, the mag is much lighter. Another way is to take a sharp pocket knife to a corner edge and cut amd scrape a little off the edge. The aluminum will usuually come off as a small ribbon and the Mag will come off as small flakes. Take the small trimmings and sprinkle in a flame of a cigarette lighter and the Mag will sparkle as they burn. The aluminum will not... Phil in Illinois RV6 181RV almost ready to paint Do not archive ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:38 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT? --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > >With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's >still >being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place >aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this >near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen product >becomes more mature? > >Randy Lervold >RV-3B, fuselage >www.rv-3.com I can relate to this dilemma. Tailcone is done on the RV10, and I'd like to get the ELT installation done now, while it's easy to access everything. But, how long will today's ELT be viable? Will most likely wait til later. Much later. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:15 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT? --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" The new ELT's at the moment are quite pricey. I looked at stocking them, but the only decently priced one out there that is (COSPAS/SARSAT) compliant for 2009+ is high $$ compared to the current $180.00 ACK & AK's. Anyway, if anyone is interested, pointer makes one in the $400.00-$500.00 range. If you're interested in one, contact me off list and we'll get you setup. Cheers, Stein Bruch http://www.steinair.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BRUCE GRAY Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT? --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" What do they have in store for us? And is it affordable? New and improved is usually expensive. >From: "Randy Lervold" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT? >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:29:00 -0700 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > >Yes, both 121.5 and 243.0 will become obsolete. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "BRUCE GRAY" >To: >Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT? > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" > > > > Hey Randy, Are the EBC-502's also going. They work off both 121.5 and >243.0? > > If so that is a true bummer. Those thing's are small, light weight and > > portable. > > > > >From: "Randy Lervold" > > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > > >To: , > > >Subject: RV-List: ELT? > > >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:44:37 -0700 > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > > > >With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's > > >still > > >being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place > > >aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this > > >near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen >product > > >becomes more mature? > > > > > >Randy Lervold > > >RV-3B, fuselage > > >www.rv-3.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:23 PM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium sump? No thanx. --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Jerry, I don't know that you are missing anything. However, Lycoming's 200 hp sumps are made of magnesium. Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > >Stein, > >Regarding the possible use of a magnesium sump, I'd be wary because of the >extreme flamability of magnesium. Picture this, you get a fuel leak >inside the >cowling, hits some of those 1400 deg. pipes, instant fire. You, being >mentally prepared for this ugly possibility, shut off the fuel, expecting >fire to >go out shortly, while preparing for an engine out landing. Trouble is, >now the >magnesium is burning with intensity while getting plenty of oxygen, and no >chance it'll go out. This is the stuff we used to make incindiary bombs >from. >Mr. Google tells me it burns at 1335c/2435f. > >What am I missing here? > >Jerry Cochran > >From: "Stein Bruch" >Subject: RE: RV-List: XP-360 Ryton plastic sump availability- was Superior >XP-IO360/FF >sump question > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > >Good Luck, > >Superior is keeping a REALLY tight lock on those. Tried the same thing, and >basically they told the "owner" of the kit engine that if he wanted a >"replacement", he'd have to send the original one back. I also asked about >it at OSH and was flatly and rudely told "don't ask". Their attitude at the >OSH booth was enough to make sure I won't be buying any Superior parts soon, >even if they were cheaper. Turns out the ECI guys were much nicer, they >parts are as good or better, and they are cheaper too - can't beat that! > >Now, that being said, I have it on good rumor that ECI will shortly (within >a couple months) start shipping a lightweight forward facing sump for Lyc's. >The difference is they decided to use Magnesium instead of plastic, and the >weight is supposed to be close. > >I don't have any other details, other than what I heard from my ECI >informants. > >Cheers, >Stein Bruch > > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:14 PM PST US From: "mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com" Subject: RV-List: Follow up to posting about KLX-135A --> RV-List message posted by: "mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com" I would like all the subscribers to know that Jim Irwin , President of Aircraft Spruce and Specialty, corrected the price on the KLX-135A and gave me a credit for the difference. They have proven that customer is # 1 and they are #1 with me. Mickey Martin RV 6 ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:09 PM PST US From: "David Schaefer" Subject: RV-List: Jefferson City, MO FLY-IN 10/09/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" Just a reminder that this Saturday is the annual Jefferson City, (JEF) MO. Fly-in. Let's make sure the RV's outnumber everything else in total! Looking forward to seeing you there. David Schaefer RV6A - N142DS - FINISHED & FLYING!!! ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:17 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT? --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" I mis-spoke. The currnet 406mhz ELT's are going for betwen $1500-1800.00 and up. Sorry for the confusion. Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT? --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" The new ELT's at the moment are quite pricey. I looked at stocking them, but the only decently priced one out there that is (COSPAS/SARSAT) compliant for 2009+ is high $$ compared to the current $180.00 ACK & AK's. Anyway, if anyone is interested, pointer makes one in the $400.00-$500.00 range. If you're interested in one, contact me off list and we'll get you setup. Cheers, Stein Bruch http://www.steinair.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BRUCE GRAY Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT? --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" What do they have in store for us? And is it affordable? New and improved is usually expensive. >From: "Randy Lervold" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: ELT? >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:29:00 -0700 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > >Yes, both 121.5 and 243.0 will become obsolete. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "BRUCE GRAY" >To: >Subject: RE: RV-List: ELT? > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" > > > > Hey Randy, Are the EBC-502's also going. They work off both 121.5 and >243.0? > > If so that is a true bummer. Those thing's are small, light weight and > > portable. > > > > >From: "Randy Lervold" > > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > > >To: , > > >Subject: RV-List: ELT? > > >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:44:37 -0700 > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > > > >With the short remaing life of the 121.5 mh ELT system, and with 406's > > >still > > >being relatively expensive, and with no ELT required in a single place > > >aircraft (RV-3B), is it worth adding the weight and expense of this > > >near-obsolete technology, or should I go sans ELT until the nextgen >product > > >becomes more mature? > > > > > >Randy Lervold > > >RV-3B, fuselage > > >www.rv-3.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:49 PM PST US From: "Steve & Denise" "Rv7/7A List" , "RV List" Subject: RV-List: LED Nav Lights for Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" LED Nav lights for sale. Brand new. Never used. See website for details. http://members.kingston.net/sjhdcl/Stuff%20for%20Sale/LED%20lights.htm Do not archive. Reply via email only please. Steve Hurlbut RV7A #2 ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:58 PM PST US From: "George & Ann Meketa" Subject: RV-List: FOR SALE --> RV-List message posted by: "George & Ann Meketa" Hello Y'all, Have a few things lying around that I should let go of. 1. IO360 200HP Vetterman RV8 exhaust. Used 400 hours, sent to Vetterman for flange repair and had no time to wait and install new system. Clean bill of health by Larry. Has 4 EGT probe holes and no mounting hardware. New $775.00 will let go for $500.00. 2. True Airspeed Indicator for RV8. Dual dial with V speed markings and lighted. Like new. ASIT260MKL. New $265.00 asking $200.00. 3. Oil cooler. Positech #4211. Latest updated version. Not the old style which gave the bad reputation. Never installed. Vans price $165.00, sell for $130.00. 4. Oil seperator. Aircraft Spruce #10570. Like new. Spruce price $38.85 cheap at $20.00. All items will be packed at no charge and shipping paid by purchaser at actual cost. George Meketa N444TX, RV8, 530 hours ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:00 PM PST US From: "Mike Holland" Subject: RV-List: Tight hinge pins 1.67 SARE_ADLTSUB2 Contains possible adult words --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" Inserting the 0.90" hinge pins that join the top and bottom cowl requires a vice grip on the last few inches. This seems to be a lot of force and breaking a pin on insertion would be a large problem. I should note that I can't use a drill to set the pins since the outside end is bent 90 degrees. I'm hoping that the pins will wear-in somewhat after I'm flying or should I be doing something to reduce the amount of force necessary to insert the pins? As it is I'll will be replacing the originals with new pin stock before first flight. The originals accumulate a lot of wear during the construction phase. As for maintenance, how often should a person think of replacing these pins? If anyone has had them break, how on earth did you remove them? Thanks ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:59 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Tight hinge pins --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Mike Holland wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" > >Inserting the 0.90" hinge pins that join the top and bottom cowl requires a vice grip on the last few inches. This seems to be a lot of force and breaking a pin on insertion would be a large problem. I should note that I can't use a drill to set the pins since the outside end is bent 90 degrees. > >I'm hoping that the pins will wear-in somewhat after I'm flying or should I be doing something to reduce the amount of force necessary to insert the pins? > >As it is I'll will be replacing the originals with new pin stock before first flight. The originals accumulate a lot of wear during the construction phase. > >As for maintenance, how often should a person think of replacing these pins? > Hmmm....Flying 15 years and have not thought about it yet. :-) > >If anyone has had them break, how on earth did you remove them? > > >Thanks > > I doubt they well break, but if they do it well most likely be at the point where you bent the 90degree bend. ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:11 PM PST US From: "Scott Jackson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tight hinge pins --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" Mike: I very slightly reduced the diameter of the pins by scrubbing them with red Scotchbrite pads. My pins are also bent 90 degrees at the end, and that just seemed to make spinning them in by slow-turning drill easier, as the chuck could get a grip on the bend by sticking it through the space between two of the jaws. Scott in vancouver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Holland" Subject: RV-List: Tight hinge pins > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" > > Inserting the 0.90" hinge pins that join the top and bottom cowl requires > a vice grip on the last few inches. This seems to be a lot of force and > breaking a pin on insertion would be a large problem. I should note that > I can't use a drill to set the pins since the outside end is bent 90 > degrees. > > I'm hoping that the pins will wear-in somewhat after I'm flying or should > I be doing something to reduce the amount of force necessary to insert the > pins? > > As it is I'll will be replacing the originals with new pin stock before > first flight. The originals accumulate a lot of wear during the > construction phase. > > As for maintenance, how often should a person think of replacing these > pins? > > If anyone has had them break, how on earth did you remove them? > > > Thanks > > > ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:26 PM PST US From: Andy Karmy Subject: Re: RV-List: Tight hinge pins --> RV-List message posted by: Andy Karmy > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" > > I'm hoping that the pins will wear-in somewhat after I'm flying or > should I be doing something to reduce the amount of force necessary to > insert the pins? > > You will be amazed at how they wear in. I had to use a drill on mine during construction, but after 25 hours of flying I can put them in by hand with no drill or vicegrips. Keep with it and they will loosen up. I also used some LPS spray on them the first few hours. I just spray it on a rag and wipe the pins to slick them up. - Andy Karmy RV9A Seattle WA 275hrs going strong... ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:51 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tight hinge pins --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi Mike, I have my pins set up to insert forward through the NACA vents. My hinge pins are fit quite tight and I have tried both Beolube and ordinary bar soap. Both of these materials applied to the hinge pins have provided some quite reasonable success in reducing the friction. My thought in using the bar of soap was that before painting I did not want to pollute the area with unknown chemistry. Mind you I have little or no knowledge as to the make up of either product. It just seemed to me that the parts will be rinsed (wet sanded) some time be fore being painted. In any case the overall struggle was reduced somewhat. Both materials seemed to have about the same noticable level of benefit. The pins can and in fact have broken. When installed from the front of the cowl take great care to provide a very safe and secure means of installation is needed. I do know of one case where one of the cowl hinge pins somehow became un secured and vibration allowed it to do serious ($$ rebuild $$) damage to a C.S. prop. Have fun pulling your pin...s {[g-] ! Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Holland" Subject: RV-List: Tight hinge pins > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" > > Inserting the 0.90" hinge pins that join the top and bottom cowl requires > a vice grip on the last few inches. This seems to be a lot of force and > breaking a pin on insertion would be a large problem. I should note that > I can't use a drill to set the pins since the outside end is bent 90 > degrees. > > I'm hoping that the pins will wear-in somewhat after I'm flying or should > I be doing something to reduce the amount of force necessary to insert the > pins? > > As it is I'll will be replacing the originals with new pin stock before > first flight. The originals accumulate a lot of wear during the > construction phase. > > As for maintenance, how often should a person think of replacing these > pins? > > If anyone has had them break, how on earth did you remove them? > > > Thanks > > > ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:04 PM PST US From: "David Fenstermacher" Subject: RV-List: Rivet shavers/Flush rivets on VS 0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary --> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" Ok - I have a couple more questions. My VS flush rivets are all flush (don't laugh) except for a few where I didn't countersink enough or the primer threw off my fit. Anyway, I was wondering if I needed to flush these up. I don't know how critical it is for these rivets to be perfectly flush when attaching to fuse. Will the fuse to VS attach accept a couple high rivets, or does it need to be perfectly flat? If I can leave them alone I won't have to buy something to cut these down. If I can't, then it leads me to my second question... Has anybody tried the Avery rivet shaver that fits in a countersink tool? A "real" rivet shaver is big bucks. OR, is there an alternative to using a rivet shaver (Dremel tool, etc.)? Thanks everybody, Dave RV-8 Emp. almost complete; wings on order. Woodbridge, VA