Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:30 AM - Re: Starter (Jeff Point)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: camera in the tail (SportAV8R@aol.com)
3. 06:41 AM - Rapco Brake Disks ( Rotors ) (Charles Rowbotham)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: camera in the tail (Larry Bowen)
5. 07:07 AM - Re: camera in the tail (Bill VonDane)
6. 07:55 AM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Bobby Hester)
7. 08:02 AM - switches/ray allen grip/flap positioning system. (RV8ter@aol.com)
8. 08:17 AM - Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan engine (Donald Mei)
9. 08:47 AM - Randy Simpson where are you? (Bluecavu@aol.com)
10. 09:05 AM - Re: camera in the tail (Matt Johnson)
11. 09:11 AM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Scott.Fink@microchip.com)
12. 10:03 AM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (steve zicree)
13. 10:04 AM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (steve zicree)
14. 10:08 AM - Magnesium ? (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
15. 10:44 AM - Re: camera in the tail (Larry Bowen)
16. 10:44 AM - Off-subject Question (John)
17. 10:54 AM - Re: Off-subject Question (John Ammeter)
18. 11:24 AM - Re: Off-subject Question (Mickey Coggins)
19. 11:27 AM - Re: Magnesium ? (Scott Bilinski)
20. 11:27 AM - Re: Magnesium ? (steve zicree)
21. 11:48 AM - Re: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan engine (Hull, Don)
22. 01:34 PM - Re: Magnesium ? (cgalley)
23. 01:38 PM - Slick Mags for sale... (Scott)
24. 01:43 PM - Re: Starter (Gordon or Marge Comfort)
25. 02:05 PM - Re: Off-subject Question (Phil)
26. 03:31 PM - RV-4 Destroyed (Pat Hatch)
27. 03:34 PM - RV-8 for sale (MStudio828@aol.com)
28. 04:44 PM - RV-4 Destroyed (Pat Hatch)
29. 05:19 PM - Re: Sumps: Mag vs. Ryton (Gert)
30. 05:27 PM - Re: RV-4 destroyed (Nauga)
31. 05:40 PM - Pat's RV4 Destroyed URL (John)
32. 06:09 PM - Re: RV-4 Destroyed (Stein Bruch)
33. 06:12 PM - Re: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan en... (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
34. 06:16 PM - D10A alignment (John Furey)
35. 06:58 PM - Re: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB (linn walters)
36. 07:05 PM - Re: Randy Simpson where are you? (H.Ivan Haecker)
37. 07:12 PM - RV-4 Destroyed (Mike Holland)
38. 07:46 PM - Re: RV-4 Destroyed (Pat Hatch)
39. 08:08 PM - Re: RV-4 Destroyed (JOHN STARN)
40. 09:36 PM - Re: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB (Chris W)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Depends a bit on what kind of battery and prop you have. If you have a
wood prop and/or a small (17AH sealed RG type) battery, I would stay
far, far away from the lightweight Skytec starter (the LS model.) The
HT model (bit heavier, but with wound field motor) should work OK. I
replaced my (broken) LS model with a B & C, and it is worth every penny.
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
John Furey wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
>
>I have an O-320 with the BIG starter. I want to put a light weight one on.
>What should I use? Skytec has an HT model and a lighter LS model. Any
>advice?
>
>JOhn Furey
>RV6A
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: camera in the tail |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
Oh, good - a sigmoidoscopy thread!
I think Larry Bowen has done this, too. It's on my list of things to add to my
finished abd flying plane when I get the time.
-Stormy
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| Subject: | Rapco Brake Disks ( Rotors ) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Does anyone have any experience or comments on Rapco brake disks (rotors)
compared to Cleveland brake disks. These would be used on Cleveland disk
brake assemblies. Both company's disks referance the same part number. Cost
difference is Rapco - $72 and Cleveland $106 from ACS. Also anyone know of
another source of Cleveland disks at a lower cost?
Thanks,
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: camera in the tail |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Yes, I have some in-flight video from my second flight on my website.
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8, 7.2 Hrs
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
SportAV8R@aol.com said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> Oh, good - a sigmoidoscopy thread!
>
> I think Larry Bowen has done this, too. It's on my list of things to add
> to my finished abd flying plane when I get the time.
>
> -Stormy
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: camera in the tail |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
COOL!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Yes, I have some in-flight video from my second flight on my website.
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8, 7.2 Hrs
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
SportAV8R@aol.com said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> Oh, good - a sigmoidoscopy thread!
>
> I think Larry Bowen has done this, too. It's on my list of things to add
> to my finished abd flying plane when I get the time.
>
> -Stormy
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Terry Williams wrote:
> <>--> RV-List message posted by: Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
>
> I could be wrong, but this doesn't look like anything that is available
> from Dynon. Maybe you know different. Dynon hasn't admitted anything
> about being a part of the Tier-One project. I would think that they
> would want everyone to know that they were participating in a "civilian
> in space" program.
>
> http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/data_sheets/html/flight_nav.htm
>
> The things that I marvel about are the fact that they were able to
> achieve all of the this within 9 years. They did it with a two vehicles
> that were purpose designed and built with minimal manufacturing crew.
> It took NASA many, many more man years to achieve similar results with
> the X-15 using an existing bomber for the mother ship. SS1 has a
> pressurized cockpit. I don't think the X-15 did. Nitrous Oxide and tire
> rubber! Amazing! NASA officials must be cringing. Just wait for press
> fallout from next budget assessment for Shuttle.
>
> Though, I haven't seen the Discovery Channel production yet, as far as
> off-the-shelf hardware and such are concerned, don't believe for a
> minute that this was a "homebuilt" project using stuff that you can get
> for a few bucks at Aircraft Spruce (though, that might've happened a
> few times). Experimental it was for certain, but not homebuilt. No
> one's garage was used. There were no "layups-over-foam." Probably lots
> and lots of autoclaved carbon-fiber. People were paid for doing work
> the entire time. It cost one billionaire $20M to earn $10M. Not that
> the money made any difference. How many of you think that your project
> is a small investment? This stuff is revolutionary and very expensive.
> My hat is off to them for pulling it together. But, it ain't homebuilt.
>
> tw
>
>
> Do Not Archive.
>
>
The main instrument was not a Dynon, I believe the Dynon was mounted up
high. Dynon's web site does have a link talking about it being in Space
Ship One.
--
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
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| Subject: | switches/ray allen grip/flap positioning system. |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Thanks for getting back.
To clear things up, are you saying that the switch that comes with Van's flap positioning
system is a on/off/momentary on switch or that the switch that comes
with the Grip I also referenced is that way? The switch on the grip and can
order any way I want which is why I am asking what comes in the flap kit so I
can order the stich grip to be the same.
Thanks,
Lucky
In a message dated 10/6/2004 11:35:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Terry Watson"
<terry@tcwatson.com> writes:
>I sent this to the RV list about 4:20 pm pdt today, but I haven't seen it.
>Since I gave you a faulty answer to your question, I thought I should make
>sure you got the correction.
>
>Terry
>
>Thanks, Jim. But thinking about what you said and reviewing an e-mail from
>Bryan Milani at Show Planes, I realize I posted some wrong information in my
>original message.
>
>So, to Rv8er@aol.com, I was wrong about the switch. The up (retract)
>position is NOT momentary. According to the instructions, it stays in the
>up position until you put it back in the center position. I have it in
>front of me, and it is momentary in the down position, but it stays in
>either the up or middle position.
>
>Here's most of the e-mail from Bryan at Show Planes, apparently the supplier
>to Van's:
>
>"For a
>couple of reasons I do not recommend installing two switches. If one switch
>got left in the retract position the signal to the control box would not
>allow the other switch to operate. There would have to be a command switch
>that controlled which switch was operating, by doing this you now have two
>switches to operate the flaps thus complicating this critical phase of
>flight. For these reasons Show Planes can only recommend the installation
>per the supplied instructions."
>
>Sorry about the misinformation.
>
>Terry
>RV-8A #80729 Seattle
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
>Terry,
> If the switches are uperating as you describe, just hook up a
>second switch in parallel. As long as you both don't try to use them at
>the same time, things will be fine.
>
>Jim
>
>RV9A
>N599RV (reserved)
>
>
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| Subject: | Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan |
engine
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
I wrote
(Titanium 40% lighter than steel and 60% lighter than aluminum)
I should have wrote:
(Titanium 40% lighter than steel and 60% HEAVIER than aluminum)
Don Hull, I believe you missed something. I say this humbly because of the
nasa.gov after your name.
HUUUUUGGGEEEE difference between the Rutan hybrid rocket and the shuttle
SRBs. Shuttle SRBs have the oxidizer mixed right in. I.e. like a bottle
rocket. Once it is lit there is NO WAY it can be throttled or even shut
down.
Rutan carried oxygen separately, I don't know if it can be throttled, but it
can be shut down and re-lit in flight
Rutan's way is probably less dense from an energy/weight perspective, but it
is certainly more workable. I'm guessing that NASA considered this and
discarded it for weight reasons.
Either way, XPrize reaquirements were much less than for full orbital
flight, so Rutan's decision obviously makes sense. It will be interesting
to see if they keep this kind of entry when they start developing orbital
spacecraft.
"All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create
the states; the states created the federal government!"---Ronald Reagan
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| Subject: | Randy Simpson where are you? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
Anyone know as to the whereabouts of Randy Simpson of Airtime Manufacturing?
-the guy who makes the Titanium Tie-downs?
I placed an online order for a set back on August 14 and Pay-Pal'ed the $95
to him and haven't seen anything. I've sent him three emails since then and
gotten no response whatsoever.
Is his business still viable? Is he still viable?
Scott
N4ZW
150 RV-4
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: camera in the tail |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
What cameras do you guys use?
- Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> COOL!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Yes, I have some in-flight video from my second flight on my website.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen, RV-8, 7.2 Hrs
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> SportAV8R@aol.com said:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
> >
> > Oh, good - a sigmoidoscopy thread!
> >
> > I think Larry Bowen has done this, too. It's on my list of things to
> add
> > to my finished abd flying plane when I get the time.
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> >
>
>
> ===
> ===
> ===
> ===
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
10/07/2004 09:14:27 AM,
Serialize complete at 10/07/2004 09:14:27 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com
Burt has already been involved in orbital vehicles, he was involved in
Roton, and I thought the lifeboat for the ISS, but I didn't see it on the
scaled web-site. I really like his style of not talking about what he is
going to do and only talking about things he has done. I'll bet you a
pizza he has an orbital vehicle in design if not construction right now.
Scott
"Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
10/06/2004 09:04 PM
Please respond to rv-list
To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: RE: RV-List: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson"
<alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>There is a lot of difference between Mach 25 and Mach 3.5. Also, a lot
>of difference between going straight up and down and going into orbit
>and then going through re-entry.
The above understates the difference. The energy involved per pound of
vehicle that gets to orbit is about 50 TIMES as much as compared to Mach
3.5. That being said, Burt Rutan has said more than once that he
doesn't think orbital is that far off. Never underestimate his creative
mind to find some slick way to deal with those absurd energies.
BTW, when the 200,000 lb space shuttle is in orbit, it has kinetic and
potential energy equivalent to lifting a 90,000 ton aircraft carrier
straight up a little more than 2 miles! Think about that.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A 530 hours
Maple Grove, MN
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
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| Subject: | Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Here's a link to a pretty cool site that spells out some of the differences
between orbital and suborbital flight. I'll bet you're right and Rutan is
getting it figured out.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Oops.
Here's a link to a pretty cool site that spells out some of the differences
between orbital and suborbital flight. I'll bet you're right and Rutan is
getting it figured out.
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Difference_between_sub-orbital_and_orbital_spaceflights
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
List...
I was surprised to learn that sumps and other engine parts are Magnesium.
Since we go to great lengths with stainless firewalls, firesleeve etc. to
protect engine compartment from fire, for some reason having magnesium which is
flammable and burns with great intensity and temperature seems not to be a
factor. Maybe it's very hard to ingite or ?
Could be alloyed with something else?
Inquiring minds need to know, anyone have an answer? Anyone have an old mag
sump they'd like to contribute for an experiment? Actually just a piece of
one and a propane torch should provide an answer, but do not try this at home...
:)
Jerry Cochran
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| Subject: | Re: camera in the tail |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I have some notes here:
http://bowenaero.com/copper/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pos=0
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Matt Johnson said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>
> What cameras do you guys use?
>
> - Matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:07:16 -0600
> Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>>
>> COOL!!!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail
>>
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>>
>> Yes, I have some in-flight video from my second flight on my website.
>>
>> -
>> Larry Bowen, RV-8, 7.2 Hrs
>> Larry@BowenAero.com
>> http://BowenAero.com
>>
>> SportAV8R@aol.com said:
>> > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>> >
>> > Oh, good - a sigmoidoscopy thread!
>> >
>> > I think Larry Bowen has done this, too. It's on my list of things to
>> add
>> > to my finished abd flying plane when I get the time.
>> >
>> > -Stormy
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ===
>> ===
>> ===
>> ===
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Off-subject Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Cell phone question....you call you hangar buddy using your cell phone. His
has gone across the country and is in Maine, you are in California. Your
call goes through.
Question: How does the system find him? His cell number would appear to
indicate he is in the local service area?
The answer is driving me nuts.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Off-subject Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Ammeter <jammeter@comcast.net>
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:43:31 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>Cell phone question....you call you hangar buddy using your cell phone. His
>has gone across the country and is in Maine, you are in California. Your
>call goes through.
>
>Question: How does the system find him? His cell number would appear to
>indicate he is in the local service area?
>
>The answer is driving me nuts.
>
>John
>
>
Short answer.... magic.... same thing that makes your TV
work and light bulbs light...
Longer answer..... the cell system where he is located
querys all cell phones in the area and keeps a record of
what phones are active... if he has his phone on, it sends
out a "here I am" signal to the local system and the local
system is, of course, tied into the whole cell system.
John
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Off-subject Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Real simple - when you turn on your phone, or move from
place to place, your phone shouts to the network
"I am here - send any calls to 512-555-1212 here!".
This info goes into a computer at your cell phone
provider's network, which is used to look up where
to direct calls. Obviously, this means that the
network knows roughly where your phone goes.
Mickey
>Cell phone question....you call you hangar buddy using your cell phone. His
>has gone across the country and is in Maine, you are in California. Your
>call goes through.
>
>Question: How does the system find him? His cell number would appear to
>indicate he is in the local service area?
>
>The answer is driving me nuts.
>
>John
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I wonder if its pure magnesium or a mix of metals? If its a mix it may not
burn at all?
At 01:07 PM 10/7/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>List...
>
>I was surprised to learn that sumps and other engine parts are Magnesium.
>Since we go to great lengths with stainless firewalls, firesleeve etc. to
>protect engine compartment from fire, for some reason having
>magnesium which is
>flammable and burns with great intensity and temperature seems not to be a
>factor. Maybe it's very hard to ingite or ?
>Could be alloyed with something else?
>
>Inquiring minds need to know, anyone have an answer? Anyone have an old mag
>sump they'd like to contribute for an experiment? Actually just a piece of
>one and a propane torch should provide an answer, but do not try this at
>home...
> :)
>
>Jerry Cochran
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
This lunatic might have the answer
http://www.burningart.com/meico/pyro/mag.html
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Jerry2DT@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Magnesium ?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
> List...
>
> I was surprised to learn that sumps and other engine parts are Magnesium.
> Since we go to great lengths with stainless firewalls, firesleeve etc. to
> protect engine compartment from fire, for some reason having magnesium
which is
> flammable and burns with great intensity and temperature seems not to be
a
> factor. Maybe it's very hard to ingite or ?
> Could be alloyed with something else?
>
> Inquiring minds need to know, anyone have an answer? Anyone have an old
mag
> sump they'd like to contribute for an experiment? Actually just a piece of
> one and a propane torch should provide an answer, but do not try this at
home...
> :)
>
> Jerry Cochran
>
>
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| Subject: | Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan |
engine
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
Yes, Don Mei, I didn't go into a lot of detail because I didn't want to get
too technical. Here in the south, a "lot of difference" sometimes means a
"HUUUUUGGGEEEE difference." :-)
Don Hull
Shuttle Propulsion Office
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Mei [mailto:don_mei@hotmail.com]
Subject: RV-List: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs
Rutan engine
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
<SNIP>
Don Hull, I believe you missed something. I say this humbly because of the
nasa.gov after your name.
HUUUUUGGGEEEE difference between the Rutan hybrid rocket and the shuttle
SRBs. <SNIP>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Don't believe it is very flammable to whit...
"Magnesium compounds, primarily magnesium oxide, are used mainly as
refractory material in furnace linings for producing iron and steel,
nonferrous metals, glass, and cement." - USGS website
As Magnesium metal oxidizes rather quickly in air, so it is fairly well
resistant to casual ignition. Small sections or powder magnesium can be
ignited with spectacular results but so can aluminum, and powdered iron.
From what I can find, Magnesium must be heated over 2025 to vaporize it so
it will burn.
One can even weld Magnesium.
Do a google search and you will see that magnesium has been used in aircraft
and aircraft engines for many years. Many combat airplanes for the 2nd
world war used a lot of magnesium. The Beech Bonanza has control surfaces
of magnesium. You might even be surprised that your airplane wheels are
probably magnesium unless your have an amphibian then they should be
aluminum as magnesium corrodes easily.
You should be more concerned about the flammability of 6505 brake fluid. It
will and does burn from over heated brakes, if it leaks out. Then after the
brake fluid starts burning, It can and has set the tire and then the
magnesium wheel on fire. Then of course the aluminum skins are next.
Happened on a T-18.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jerry2DT@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Magnesium ?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
> List...
>
> I was surprised to learn that sumps and other engine parts are Magnesium.
> Since we go to great lengths with stainless firewalls, firesleeve etc. to
> protect engine compartment from fire, for some reason having magnesium
which is
> flammable and burns with great intensity and temperature seems not to be
a
> factor. Maybe it's very hard to ingite or ?
> Could be alloyed with something else?
>
> Inquiring minds need to know, anyone have an answer? Anyone have an old
mag
> sump they'd like to contribute for an experiment? Actually just a piece of
> one and a propane torch should provide an answer, but do not try this at
home...
> :)
>
> Jerry Cochran
>
>
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| Subject: | Slick Mags for sale... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott" <scott428@tds.net>
One Slick 4270 and one Slick 4251R (with impulse coupling) magneto for sale --
both left-hand rotation. Both are used, removed from a Lycoming O-320-D3G equipped
Cherokee. Further details and photos available. Contact me off - list:
Scott428@tds.net
Thanks-
Scott Fifield
Strasburg, Colorado
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Starter
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
>
>John:
>
>Take the plunge and get a B&C starter. They are a bit more expensive,
>but
>worth it in the long run.
>
I believe that the B&C starters have bendix-type shafts which can stay
engaged after a failed start. The Sky-Tec doesn't. I have Sky-Tecs
(yep, plural!) Drop Les Staples an email at lstaples@itexas.net about
the Sky-Tec .... don't have a contact for B&C
Linn
Linn: The B&C starter does not have a bendix drive. It has no outboard
bearing and all bearings are anti friction. They do not hang up.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Off-subject Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil" <phatphill@comcast.net>
The scary part is your location can be tracked whether your talking on the
phone or not.
It only has to be on. That's how they got the Columbian drug lord Pablo
Escobar.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins
Subject: Re: RV-List: Off-subject Question
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Real simple - when you turn on your phone, or move from
place to place, your phone shouts to the network
"I am here - send any calls to 512-555-1212 here!".
This info goes into a computer at your cell phone
provider's network, which is used to look up where
to direct calls. Obviously, this means that the
network knows roughly where your phone goes.
Mickey
>Cell phone question....you call you hangar buddy using your cell phone. His
>has gone across the country and is in Maine, you are in California. Your
>call goes through.
>
>Question: How does the system find him? His cell number would appear to
>indicate he is in the local service area?
>
>The answer is driving me nuts.
>
>John
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Well, we're getting our lives back to normal here in Vero Beach, FL after having
taken two direct hits within 3 weeks by major hurricanes. Here is the story
of the loss of my RV-4 along with some of the pictures. This is graphic evidence
of why hurricanes should be avoided if at all possible.
We are doing great (our home was fine) and will be building a new 140 mph (new
wind code) hangar soon.
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep87&subpageid173344&ck
Pat Hatch
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RV-8@yahoogroups.com
--> RV-List message posted by: MStudio828@aol.com
2002, RV-8, 200 TT, 180 HP Lycoming O-360, Sensenich 85" alum prop, day-night
VFR, Garmin mode C w/encoder, Garmin 295 color GPS, A-200 com, CD player,
stero intercom, always hangered.
Inquire off list
Larry
MStudio828@aol.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Sorry, the URL got clipped, need to add an "" at the end..
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep87&subpageid173344&ck
Pat Hatch
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| Subject: | Re: Sumps: Mag vs. Ryton |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
prime example is thermite used to weld heavy duty such as railroad tracks.
thermite is nothing more than rust (iron oxide) and aluminum powder
quite impressive when that goes up.
Grt
Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/6/04 9:10:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> chaztuna@adelphia.net writes:
>
>
>>>Aluminum, like magnesium will burn. Its just harder to get it to start.
>>
>>In
>>
>>>practice its not an issue, but aluminum will burn. The space shuttle
>>
>>solid
>>
>>>rocket boosters burn aluminum.
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>
>
> I seem to remember a physics teacher saying that ANYTHING will burn. Think
> that plastic sump won't burn! I know steel will burn. Ask anyone who has cut
> steel with a torch. Just get the temperature up and add oxygen. But we're
> getting off topic here! Some things burn better than others!
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A
> N766DH (flying -- about 58 hours)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 destroyed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nauga" <nauga@brick.net>
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=173344&ck
should get you there. It's not a pretty sight. You have my
sympathies.
Dave Hyde
nauga@brick.net
RV-4 in flight test
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| Subject: | Pat's RV4 Destroyed URL |
0.00 FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS From: contains numbers mixed in with letters
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I found Pat's pictures at this URL via Google
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=173344&ck
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi Pat,
I'm sickened to see your pride & joy in that shape. I only hope the
insurance $$'s are enough to build a new one (I won't call it a
replacement).
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pat Hatch
Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Destroyed
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Sorry, the URL got clipped, need to add an "" at the end..
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep87&subpageid173344&ck
Pat Hatch
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| Subject: | Re: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan |
en...
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 10/7/04 10:18:33 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
don_mei@hotmail.com writes:
>
> HUUUUUGGGEEEE difference between the Rutan hybrid rocket and the shuttle
> SRBs. Shuttle SRBs have the oxidizer mixed right in. I.e. like a bottle
> rocket. Once it is lit there is NO WAY it can be throttled or even shut
> down.
>
I'm no rocket scientist, but I remember reading that the Shuttle boosters can
be shut down. I believe this is done by setting off an explosion which
basically blows the fire out. Is this correct?
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
N766DH (Flying about 58 hours now.)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
to those of you that have flush mounted your Dynon, and there is no
adjustment for bank angle have you had any trouble getting it leveled in the
panel so it shows wings level when they are?
John Furey
RV6A
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| Subject: | Re: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB |
vs Rutan en...
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 10/7/04 10:18:33 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>don_mei@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>
>>HUUUUUGGGEEEE difference between the Rutan hybrid rocket and the shuttle
>>SRBs. Shuttle SRBs have the oxidizer mixed right in. I.e. like a bottle
>>rocket. Once it is lit there is NO WAY it can be throttled or even shut
>>down.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I'm no rocket scientist, but I remember reading that the Shuttle boosters can
>be shut down. I believe this is done by setting off an explosion which
>basically blows the fire out. Is this correct?
>
Well, I'm no rocket scientist either, nor do I play one on TV .......
and I slept at home last night ..... :-) but I find that hard to
believe for a few reasons. The solid fuel contains it's own oxidizer so
removing the oxygen necessary for combustion won't work, and if there
were to be an explosion, I think it would compromise the integrity of
the booster. Just a few quick thoughts.
Linn
do not archive
>Dan Hopper
>RV-7A
>N766DH (Flying about 58 hours now.)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Randy Simpson where are you? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl@gvtc.com>
I can only add that I also placed an order about 6 months ago and forgot
about it for a couple of months. I was looking for a way to contact him
after I realized that I hadn't received them when they showed up. Perhaps he
has more orders than he can fill. I seem to remember he does this in his
spare time. Having met him once, I am inclined to think you won't have a
problem, unless of course you need them now.
Do not archive
Ivan Haecker -4 1100hrs. S.Cen. TX
----- Original Message -----
From: <Bluecavu@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Randy Simpson where are you?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
>
> Anyone know as to the whereabouts of Randy Simpson of Airtime
Manufacturing?
> -the guy who makes the Titanium Tie-downs?
>
> I placed an online order for a set back on August 14 and Pay-Pal'ed the
$95
> to him and haven't seen anything. I've sent him three emails since then
and
> gotten no response whatsoever.
>
> Is his business still viable? Is he still viable?
>
> Scott
> N4ZW
> 150 RV-4
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
Sad and sobering pictures. But one question. I note that in one of the photos
among all the wreckage there is a metal hangar still intact. Was this true in
general and could you pass along any learnings in regard to hangar designs and
what held up and what didn't.
Thanks
Mike Holland
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 Destroyed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Yeah, Mike, these were quonset type hangars on both sides of me--supposedly
good to 175 mph. One was destroyed, the other untouched. The key, I think,
is to make sure the doors are secured. The quonset that survived had braced
their door with a steel brace anchored to the floor. However, I spoke to
the guys who hung out in the hangar during the blow and they said it was
pretty scary. They said the entire structure was pulling on the holddowns
and banging as it came back down, so I think the quonsets develop a lot of
lift. I know the military used to say the quonsets were best for the wind,
but I believe the best thing today is to get one of the new steel structures
that are rated to 140 mph by local code. Generally, in this area the newer
hangars survived just fine, all of the older hangars came down. The
exception to this was that the little Port-a-Port T hangars all survived
just fine on this airport and they are pretty old. The Piper factory
suffered a lot of damage with many of their hangars totally destroyed. Ft.
Pierce, next door, had a lot of damage. A couple of huge hangars came down
with a lot a nice airplanes inside. And so on, down the coast all the way
to W. Palm Beach where I saw the Jet Aviation FBO hangar minus its roof.
Here's what happens to a quonset without the door being braced--this one is
next to mine:
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=166857&ck
If this link doesn't work, the picutre is in the Dropbox on my web site.
Pat
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Destroyed
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
>
> Sad and sobering pictures. But one question. I note that in one of the
photos among all the wreckage there is a metal hangar still intact. Was
this true in general and could you pass along any learnings in regard to
hangar designs and what held up and what didn't.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Holland
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 Destroyed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Living in Calif with the earthquakes our walls are built with vert. & horz.
rebar. The roof looks like the same type of construction but I could not
make out the type/style/size of the interconnection points. BUT we've not
had 120 mph sustained winds at APV to the best of my knowledge. Did spend
two days attempting to save our C-172 in the 1960's at North Las Vegas
Airport where we had 60 to 80 mph winds with gusts in the area of 100+ mph.
Lots of damage to outside parked aircraft and the rental van we parked to
block the wind. C-172 came out OK but the entire left side of the van was
shiney silver. When we rented it, it was a single color, dark blue. Not sure
of the date but it was when the C-124 Globemaster broke loose and rolled
south, way south. KABONG Do Not Archive. 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Destroyed
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
>
> Sad and sobering pictures. But one question. I note that in one of the
> photos among all the wreckage there is a metal hangar still intact. Was
> this true in general and could you pass along any learnings in regard to
> hangar designs and what held up and what didn't.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Holland
>
> Do not archive.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB |
vs Rutan en...
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
>I'm no rocket scientist, but I remember reading that the Shuttle boosters can
>be shut down. I believe this is done by setting off an explosion which
>basically blows the fire out. Is this correct?
>
>
I don't know if it is correct, but I can tell you what a friend of mine
who, while he's not a rocket scientist, he is an engineer that worked
for a company that built rockets. He told me that all the rockets they
built had a system to "abort" the launch if something went wrong with
the trajectory. He described it as a small explosion that didn't put
the rocket out, but it changed the rocket motor in a way the made it so
it didn't provide any net thrust. I'm not sure exactly how that worked
but it sounded to me like the thrust was sent out the side of the rocket
360 degrees so there ended up being a net zero thrust. I would guess
that the rocket boosters on the shuttle have a similar system.
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