---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/07/04: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:30 AM - Re: Starter (Jeff Point) 2. 06:08 AM - Re: camera in the tail (SportAV8R@aol.com) 3. 06:41 AM - Rapco Brake Disks ( Rotors ) (Charles Rowbotham) 4. 06:45 AM - Re: camera in the tail (Larry Bowen) 5. 07:07 AM - Re: camera in the tail (Bill VonDane) 6. 07:55 AM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Bobby Hester) 7. 08:02 AM - switches/ray allen grip/flap positioning system. (RV8ter@aol.com) 8. 08:17 AM - Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan engine (Donald Mei) 9. 08:47 AM - Randy Simpson where are you? (Bluecavu@aol.com) 10. 09:05 AM - Re: camera in the tail (Matt Johnson) 11. 09:11 AM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (Scott.Fink@microchip.com) 12. 10:03 AM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (steve zicree) 13. 10:04 AM - Re: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One (steve zicree) 14. 10:08 AM - Magnesium ? (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 15. 10:44 AM - Re: camera in the tail (Larry Bowen) 16. 10:44 AM - Off-subject Question (John) 17. 10:54 AM - Re: Off-subject Question (John Ammeter) 18. 11:24 AM - Re: Off-subject Question (Mickey Coggins) 19. 11:27 AM - Re: Magnesium ? (Scott Bilinski) 20. 11:27 AM - Re: Magnesium ? (steve zicree) 21. 11:48 AM - Re: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan engine (Hull, Don) 22. 01:34 PM - Re: Magnesium ? (cgalley) 23. 01:38 PM - Slick Mags for sale... (Scott) 24. 01:43 PM - Re: Starter (Gordon or Marge Comfort) 25. 02:05 PM - Re: Off-subject Question (Phil) 26. 03:31 PM - RV-4 Destroyed (Pat Hatch) 27. 03:34 PM - RV-8 for sale (MStudio828@aol.com) 28. 04:44 PM - RV-4 Destroyed (Pat Hatch) 29. 05:19 PM - Re: Sumps: Mag vs. Ryton (Gert) 30. 05:27 PM - Re: RV-4 destroyed (Nauga) 31. 05:40 PM - Pat's RV4 Destroyed URL (John) 32. 06:09 PM - Re: RV-4 Destroyed (Stein Bruch) 33. 06:12 PM - Re: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan en... (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 34. 06:16 PM - D10A alignment (John Furey) 35. 06:58 PM - Re: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB (linn walters) 36. 07:05 PM - Re: Randy Simpson where are you? (H.Ivan Haecker) 37. 07:12 PM - RV-4 Destroyed (Mike Holland) 38. 07:46 PM - Re: RV-4 Destroyed (Pat Hatch) 39. 08:08 PM - Re: RV-4 Destroyed (JOHN STARN) 40. 09:36 PM - Re: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB (Chris W) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:37 AM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Starter --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point Depends a bit on what kind of battery and prop you have. If you have a wood prop and/or a small (17AH sealed RG type) battery, I would stay far, far away from the lightweight Skytec starter (the LS model.) The HT model (bit heavier, but with wound field motor) should work OK. I replaced my (broken) LS model with a B & C, and it is worth every penny. Jeff Point RV-6 Milwaukee WI John Furey wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" > >I have an O-320 with the BIG starter. I want to put a light weight one on. >What should I use? Skytec has an HT model and a lighter LS model. Any >advice? > >JOhn Furey >RV6A > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:57 AM PST US From: SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com Oh, good - a sigmoidoscopy thread! I think Larry Bowen has done this, too. It's on my list of things to add to my finished abd flying plane when I get the time. -Stormy ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:36 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RV-List: Rapco Brake Disks ( Rotors ) --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Does anyone have any experience or comments on Rapco brake disks (rotors) compared to Cleveland brake disks. These would be used on Cleveland disk brake assemblies. Both company's disks referance the same part number. Cost difference is Rapco - $72 and Cleveland $106 from ACS. Also anyone know of another source of Cleveland disks at a lower cost? Thanks, Chuck Rowbotham RV-8A http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail From: "Larry Bowen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Yes, I have some in-flight video from my second flight on my website. - Larry Bowen, RV-8, 7.2 Hrs Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com SportAV8R@aol.com said: > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > > Oh, good - a sigmoidoscopy thread! > > I think Larry Bowen has done this, too. It's on my list of things to add > to my finished abd flying plane when I get the time. > > -Stormy > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:29 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane COOL!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Yes, I have some in-flight video from my second flight on my website. - Larry Bowen, RV-8, 7.2 Hrs Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com SportAV8R@aol.com said: > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > > Oh, good - a sigmoidoscopy thread! > > I think Larry Bowen has done this, too. It's on my list of things to add > to my finished abd flying plane when I get the time. > > -Stormy > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:21 AM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester Terry Williams wrote: > <>--> RV-List message posted by: Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net> > > I could be wrong, but this doesn't look like anything that is available > from Dynon. Maybe you know different. Dynon hasn't admitted anything > about being a part of the Tier-One project. I would think that they > would want everyone to know that they were participating in a "civilian > in space" program. > > http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/data_sheets/html/flight_nav.htm > > The things that I marvel about are the fact that they were able to > achieve all of the this within 9 years. They did it with a two vehicles > that were purpose designed and built with minimal manufacturing crew. > It took NASA many, many more man years to achieve similar results with > the X-15 using an existing bomber for the mother ship. SS1 has a > pressurized cockpit. I don't think the X-15 did. Nitrous Oxide and tire > rubber! Amazing! NASA officials must be cringing. Just wait for press > fallout from next budget assessment for Shuttle. > > Though, I haven't seen the Discovery Channel production yet, as far as > off-the-shelf hardware and such are concerned, don't believe for a > minute that this was a "homebuilt" project using stuff that you can get > for a few bucks at Aircraft Spruce (though, that might've happened a > few times). Experimental it was for certain, but not homebuilt. No > one's garage was used. There were no "layups-over-foam." Probably lots > and lots of autoclaved carbon-fiber. People were paid for doing work > the entire time. It cost one billionaire $20M to earn $10M. Not that > the money made any difference. How many of you think that your project > is a small investment? This stuff is revolutionary and very expensive. > My hat is off to them for pulling it together. But, it ain't homebuilt. > > tw > > > Do Not Archive. > > The main instrument was not a Dynon, I believe the Dynon was mounted up high. Dynon's web site does have a link talking about it being in Space Ship One. -- Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:55 AM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: RV-List: switches/ray allen grip/flap positioning system. --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com Thanks for getting back. To clear things up, are you saying that the switch that comes with Van's flap positioning system is a on/off/momentary on switch or that the switch that comes with the Grip I also referenced is that way? The switch on the grip and can order any way I want which is why I am asking what comes in the flap kit so I can order the stich grip to be the same. Thanks, Lucky In a message dated 10/6/2004 11:35:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Terry Watson" writes: >I sent this to the RV list about 4:20 pm pdt today, but I haven't seen it. >Since I gave you a faulty answer to your question, I thought I should make >sure you got the correction. > >Terry > >Thanks, Jim. But thinking about what you said and reviewing an e-mail from >Bryan Milani at Show Planes, I realize I posted some wrong information in my >original message. > >So, to Rv8er@aol.com, I was wrong about the switch. The up (retract) >position is NOT momentary. According to the instructions, it stays in the >up position until you put it back in the center position. I have it in >front of me, and it is momentary in the down position, but it stays in >either the up or middle position. > >Here's most of the e-mail from Bryan at Show Planes, apparently the supplier >to Van's: > >"For a >couple of reasons I do not recommend installing two switches. If one switch >got left in the retract position the signal to the control box would not >allow the other switch to operate. There would have to be a command switch >that controlled which switch was operating, by doing this you now have two >switches to operate the flaps thus complicating this critical phase of >flight. For these reasons Show Planes can only recommend the installation >per the supplied instructions." > >Sorry about the misinformation. > >Terry >RV-8A #80729 Seattle > >--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson > >Terry, > If the switches are uperating as you describe, just hook up a >second switch in parallel. As long as you both don't try to use them at >the same time, things will be fine. > >Jim > >RV9A >N599RV (reserved) > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:43 AM PST US From: "Donald Mei" Subject: RV-List: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" I wrote (Titanium 40% lighter than steel and 60% lighter than aluminum) I should have wrote: (Titanium 40% lighter than steel and 60% HEAVIER than aluminum) Don Hull, I believe you missed something. I say this humbly because of the nasa.gov after your name. HUUUUUGGGEEEE difference between the Rutan hybrid rocket and the shuttle SRBs. Shuttle SRBs have the oxidizer mixed right in. I.e. like a bottle rocket. Once it is lit there is NO WAY it can be throttled or even shut down. Rutan carried oxygen separately, I don't know if it can be throttled, but it can be shut down and re-lit in flight Rutan's way is probably less dense from an energy/weight perspective, but it is certainly more workable. I'm guessing that NASA considered this and discarded it for weight reasons. Either way, XPrize reaquirements were much less than for full orbital flight, so Rutan's decision obviously makes sense. It will be interesting to see if they keep this kind of entry when they start developing orbital spacecraft. "All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create the states; the states created the federal government!"---Ronald Reagan ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:05 AM PST US From: Bluecavu@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Randy Simpson where are you? --> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com Anyone know as to the whereabouts of Randy Simpson of Airtime Manufacturing? -the guy who makes the Titanium Tie-downs? I placed an online order for a set back on August 14 and Pay-Pal'ed the $95 to him and haven't seen anything. I've sent him three emails since then and gotten no response whatsoever. Is his business still viable? Is he still viable? Scott N4ZW 150 RV-4 do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:18 AM PST US From: "Matt Johnson" Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" What cameras do you guys use? - Matt -----Original Message----- From: Bill VonDane Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane > > COOL!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Bowen" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > Yes, I have some in-flight video from my second flight on my website. > > - > Larry Bowen, RV-8, 7.2 Hrs > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > SportAV8R@aol.com said: > > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > > > > Oh, good - a sigmoidoscopy thread! > > > > I think Larry Bowen has done this, too. It's on my list of things to > add > > to my finished abd flying plane when I get the time. > > > > -Stormy > > > > > > > === > === > === > === > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:35 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One From: Scott.Fink@microchip.com 10/07/2004 09:14:27 AM, Serialize complete at 10/07/2004 09:14:27 AM --> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com Burt has already been involved in orbital vehicles, he was involved in Roton, and I thought the lifeboat for the ISS, but I didn't see it on the scaled web-site. I really like his style of not talking about what he is going to do and only talking about things he has done. I'll bet you a pizza he has an orbital vehicle in design if not construction right now. Scott "Alex Peterson" Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com 10/06/2004 09:04 PM Please respond to rv-list To: cc: Subject: RE: RV-List: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" >There is a lot of difference between Mach 25 and Mach 3.5. Also, a lot >of difference between going straight up and down and going into orbit >and then going through re-entry. The above understates the difference. The energy involved per pound of vehicle that gets to orbit is about 50 TIMES as much as compared to Mach 3.5. That being said, Burt Rutan has said more than once that he doesn't think orbital is that far off. Never underestimate his creative mind to find some slick way to deal with those absurd energies. BTW, when the 200,000 lb space shuttle is in orbit, it has kinetic and potential energy equivalent to lifting a 90,000 ton aircraft carrier straight up a little more than 2 miles! Think about that. Alex Peterson RV6-A 530 hours Maple Grove, MN http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:18 AM PST US From: "steve zicree" Subject: Re: RV-List: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" Here's a link to a pretty cool site that spells out some of the differences between orbital and suborbital flight. I'll bet you're right and Rutan is getting it figured out. do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:34 AM PST US From: "steve zicree" Subject: Re: RV-List: Off the shelf hardware and Spaceship One --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" Oops. Here's a link to a pretty cool site that spells out some of the differences between orbital and suborbital flight. I'll bet you're right and Rutan is getting it figured out. http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Difference_between_sub-orbital_and_orbital_spaceflights do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:03 AM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Magnesium ? --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com List... I was surprised to learn that sumps and other engine parts are Magnesium. Since we go to great lengths with stainless firewalls, firesleeve etc. to protect engine compartment from fire, for some reason having magnesium which is flammable and burns with great intensity and temperature seems not to be a factor. Maybe it's very hard to ingite or ? Could be alloyed with something else? Inquiring minds need to know, anyone have an answer? Anyone have an old mag sump they'd like to contribute for an experiment? Actually just a piece of one and a propane torch should provide an answer, but do not try this at home... :) Jerry Cochran ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail From: "Larry Bowen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I have some notes here: http://bowenaero.com/copper/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pos=0 - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Matt Johnson said: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" > > What cameras do you guys use? > > - Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill VonDane > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:07:16 -0600 > Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane >> >> COOL!!! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Larry Bowen" >> To: >> Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail >> >> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" >> >> Yes, I have some in-flight video from my second flight on my website. >> >> - >> Larry Bowen, RV-8, 7.2 Hrs >> Larry@BowenAero.com >> http://BowenAero.com >> >> SportAV8R@aol.com said: >> > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com >> > >> > Oh, good - a sigmoidoscopy thread! >> > >> > I think Larry Bowen has done this, too. It's on my list of things to >> add >> > to my finished abd flying plane when I get the time. >> > >> > -Stormy >> > >> > >> >> >> === >> === >> === >> === >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:05 AM PST US From: "John" Subject: RV-List: Off-subject Question --> RV-List message posted by: "John" DO NOT ARCHIVE Cell phone question....you call you hangar buddy using your cell phone. His has gone across the country and is in Maine, you are in California. Your call goes through. Question: How does the system find him? His cell number would appear to indicate he is in the local service area? The answer is driving me nuts. John ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:10 AM PST US From: John Ammeter Subject: Re: RV-List: Off-subject Question --> RV-List message posted by: John Ammeter On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:43:31 -0600, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "John" > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > >Cell phone question....you call you hangar buddy using your cell phone. His >has gone across the country and is in Maine, you are in California. Your >call goes through. > >Question: How does the system find him? His cell number would appear to >indicate he is in the local service area? > >The answer is driving me nuts. > >John > > Short answer.... magic.... same thing that makes your TV work and light bulbs light... Longer answer..... the cell system where he is located querys all cell phones in the area and keeps a record of what phones are active... if he has his phone on, it sends out a "here I am" signal to the local system and the local system is, of course, tied into the whole cell system. John do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:24 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Off-subject Question --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Real simple - when you turn on your phone, or move from place to place, your phone shouts to the network "I am here - send any calls to 512-555-1212 here!". This info goes into a computer at your cell phone provider's network, which is used to look up where to direct calls. Obviously, this means that the network knows roughly where your phone goes. Mickey >Cell phone question....you call you hangar buddy using your cell phone. His >has gone across the country and is in Maine, you are in California. Your >call goes through. > >Question: How does the system find him? His cell number would appear to >indicate he is in the local service area? > >The answer is driving me nuts. > >John -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:28 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium ? --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski I wonder if its pure magnesium or a mix of metals? If its a mix it may not burn at all? At 01:07 PM 10/7/2004 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > >List... > >I was surprised to learn that sumps and other engine parts are Magnesium. >Since we go to great lengths with stainless firewalls, firesleeve etc. to >protect engine compartment from fire, for some reason having >magnesium which is >flammable and burns with great intensity and temperature seems not to be a >factor. Maybe it's very hard to ingite or ? >Could be alloyed with something else? > >Inquiring minds need to know, anyone have an answer? Anyone have an old mag >sump they'd like to contribute for an experiment? Actually just a piece of >one and a propane torch should provide an answer, but do not try this at >home... > :) > >Jerry Cochran > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:28 AM PST US From: "steve zicree" Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium ? --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" This lunatic might have the answer http://www.burningart.com/meico/pyro/mag.html do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Magnesium ? > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > List... > > I was surprised to learn that sumps and other engine parts are Magnesium. > Since we go to great lengths with stainless firewalls, firesleeve etc. to > protect engine compartment from fire, for some reason having magnesium which is > flammable and burns with great intensity and temperature seems not to be a > factor. Maybe it's very hard to ingite or ? > Could be alloyed with something else? > > Inquiring minds need to know, anyone have an answer? Anyone have an old mag > sump they'd like to contribute for an experiment? Actually just a piece of > one and a propane torch should provide an answer, but do not try this at home... > :) > > Jerry Cochran > > ==================================== ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:20 AM PST US From: "Hull, Don" Subject: RE: RV-List: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" Yes, Don Mei, I didn't go into a lot of detail because I didn't want to get too technical. Here in the south, a "lot of difference" sometimes means a "HUUUUUGGGEEEE difference." :-) Don Hull Shuttle Propulsion Office -----Original Message----- From: Donald Mei [mailto:don_mei@hotmail.com] Subject: RV-List: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" Don Hull, I believe you missed something. I say this humbly because of the nasa.gov after your name. HUUUUUGGGEEEE difference between the Rutan hybrid rocket and the shuttle SRBs. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:45 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnesium ? --> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" Don't believe it is very flammable to whit... "Magnesium compounds, primarily magnesium oxide, are used mainly as refractory material in furnace linings for producing iron and steel, nonferrous metals, glass, and cement." - USGS website As Magnesium metal oxidizes rather quickly in air, so it is fairly well resistant to casual ignition. Small sections or powder magnesium can be ignited with spectacular results but so can aluminum, and powdered iron. From what I can find, Magnesium must be heated over 2025 to vaporize it so it will burn. One can even weld Magnesium. Do a google search and you will see that magnesium has been used in aircraft and aircraft engines for many years. Many combat airplanes for the 2nd world war used a lot of magnesium. The Beech Bonanza has control surfaces of magnesium. You might even be surprised that your airplane wheels are probably magnesium unless your have an amphibian then they should be aluminum as magnesium corrodes easily. You should be more concerned about the flammability of 6505 brake fluid. It will and does burn from over heated brakes, if it leaks out. Then after the brake fluid starts burning, It can and has set the tire and then the magnesium wheel on fire. Then of course the aluminum skins are next. Happened on a T-18. Cy Galley EAA Safety Programs Editor Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Magnesium ? > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > List... > > I was surprised to learn that sumps and other engine parts are Magnesium. > Since we go to great lengths with stainless firewalls, firesleeve etc. to > protect engine compartment from fire, for some reason having magnesium which is > flammable and burns with great intensity and temperature seems not to be a > factor. Maybe it's very hard to ingite or ? > Could be alloyed with something else? > > Inquiring minds need to know, anyone have an answer? Anyone have an old mag > sump they'd like to contribute for an experiment? Actually just a piece of > one and a propane torch should provide an answer, but do not try this at home... > :) > > Jerry Cochran > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:33 PM PST US From: "Scott" Subject: RV-List: Slick Mags for sale... --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott" One Slick 4270 and one Slick 4251R (with impulse coupling) magneto for sale -- both left-hand rotation. Both are used, removed from a Lycoming O-320-D3G equipped Cherokee. Further details and photos available. Contact me off - list: Scott428@tds.net Thanks- Scott Fifield Strasburg, Colorado do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:18 PM PST US From: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter --> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" Subject: Re: RV-List: Starter >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" > >John: > >Take the plunge and get a B&C starter. They are a bit more expensive, >but >worth it in the long run. > I believe that the B&C starters have bendix-type shafts which can stay engaged after a failed start. The Sky-Tec doesn't. I have Sky-Tecs (yep, plural!) Drop Les Staples an email at lstaples@itexas.net about the Sky-Tec .... don't have a contact for B&C Linn Linn: The B&C starter does not have a bendix drive. It has no outboard bearing and all bearings are anti friction. They do not hang up. Gordon Comfort N363GC ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:05 PM PST US From: "Phil" Subject: RE: RV-List: Off-subject Question --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil" The scary part is your location can be tracked whether your talking on the phone or not. It only has to be on. That's how they got the Columbian drug lord Pablo Escobar. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Off-subject Question --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Real simple - when you turn on your phone, or move from place to place, your phone shouts to the network "I am here - send any calls to 512-555-1212 here!". This info goes into a computer at your cell phone provider's network, which is used to look up where to direct calls. Obviously, this means that the network knows roughly where your phone goes. Mickey >Cell phone question....you call you hangar buddy using your cell phone. His >has gone across the country and is in Maine, you are in California. Your >call goes through. > >Question: How does the system find him? His cell number would appear to >indicate he is in the local service area? > >The answer is driving me nuts. > >John -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:13 PM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Destroyed --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Well, we're getting our lives back to normal here in Vero Beach, FL after having taken two direct hits within 3 weeks by major hurricanes. Here is the story of the loss of my RV-4 along with some of the pictures. This is graphic evidence of why hurricanes should be avoided if at all possible. We are doing great (our home was fine) and will be building a new 140 mph (new wind code) hangar soon. http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep87&subpageid173344&ck Pat Hatch do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:18 PM PST US From: MStudio828@aol.com Subject: RV-List: RV-8 for sale RV-8@yahoogroups.com --> RV-List message posted by: MStudio828@aol.com 2002, RV-8, 200 TT, 180 HP Lycoming O-360, Sensenich 85" alum prop, day-night VFR, Garmin mode C w/encoder, Garmin 295 color GPS, A-200 com, CD player, stero intercom, always hangered. Inquire off list Larry MStudio828@aol.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:11 PM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Destroyed --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Sorry, the URL got clipped, need to add an "" at the end.. http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep87&subpageid173344&ck Pat Hatch do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:50 PM PST US From: Gert Subject: Re: RV-List: Sumps: Mag vs. Ryton --> RV-List message posted by: Gert prime example is thermite used to weld heavy duty such as railroad tracks. thermite is nothing more than rust (iron oxide) and aluminum powder quite impressive when that goes up. Grt Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > > In a message dated 10/6/04 9:10:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > chaztuna@adelphia.net writes: > > >>>Aluminum, like magnesium will burn. Its just harder to get it to start. >> >>In >> >>>practice its not an issue, but aluminum will burn. The space shuttle >> >>solid >> >>>rocket boosters burn aluminum. >>> >>>Don >>> >> > > I seem to remember a physics teacher saying that ANYTHING will burn. Think > that plastic sump won't burn! I know steel will burn. Ask anyone who has cut > steel with a torch. Just get the temperature up and add oxygen. But we're > getting off topic here! Some things burn better than others! > > Dan Hopper > RV-7A > N766DH (flying -- about 58 hours) > > > > > > -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:01 PM PST US From: "Nauga" Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-4 destroyed --> RV-List message posted by: "Nauga" http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=173344&ck should get you there. It's not a pretty sight. You have my sympathies. Dave Hyde nauga@brick.net RV-4 in flight test ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:40 PM PST US From: "John" Subject: RV-List: Pat's RV4 Destroyed URL 0.00 FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS From: contains numbers mixed in with letters --> RV-List message posted by: "John" I found Pat's pictures at this URL via Google http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=173344&ck ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:13 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-4 Destroyed --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Hi Pat, I'm sickened to see your pride & joy in that shape. I only hope the insurance $$'s are enough to build a new one (I won't call it a replacement). Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pat Hatch Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Destroyed --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Sorry, the URL got clipped, need to add an "" at the end.. http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep87&subpageid173344&ck Pat Hatch do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:57 PM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan en... --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com In a message dated 10/7/04 10:18:33 AM US Eastern Standard Time, don_mei@hotmail.com writes: > > HUUUUUGGGEEEE difference between the Rutan hybrid rocket and the shuttle > SRBs. Shuttle SRBs have the oxidizer mixed right in. I.e. like a bottle > rocket. Once it is lit there is NO WAY it can be throttled or even shut > down. > I'm no rocket scientist, but I remember reading that the Shuttle boosters can be shut down. I believe this is done by setting off an explosion which basically blows the fire out. Is this correct? Dan Hopper RV-7A N766DH (Flying about 58 hours now.) ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:50 PM PST US From: "John Furey" Subject: RV-List: D10A alignment --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" to those of you that have flush mounted your Dynon, and there is no adjustment for bank angle have you had any trouble getting it leveled in the panel so it shows wings level when they are? John Furey RV6A ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:08 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan en... --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > >In a message dated 10/7/04 10:18:33 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >don_mei@hotmail.com writes: > > > >>HUUUUUGGGEEEE difference between the Rutan hybrid rocket and the shuttle >>SRBs. Shuttle SRBs have the oxidizer mixed right in. I.e. like a bottle >>rocket. Once it is lit there is NO WAY it can be throttled or even shut >>down. >> >> >> > >I'm no rocket scientist, but I remember reading that the Shuttle boosters can >be shut down. I believe this is done by setting off an explosion which >basically blows the fire out. Is this correct? > Well, I'm no rocket scientist either, nor do I play one on TV ....... and I slept at home last night ..... :-) but I find that hard to believe for a few reasons. The solid fuel contains it's own oxidizer so removing the oxygen necessary for combustion won't work, and if there were to be an explosion, I think it would compromise the integrity of the booster. Just a few quick thoughts. Linn do not archive >Dan Hopper >RV-7A >N766DH (Flying about 58 hours now.) > > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:26 PM PST US From: "H.Ivan Haecker" Subject: Re: RV-List: Randy Simpson where are you? --> RV-List message posted by: "H.Ivan Haecker" I can only add that I also placed an order about 6 months ago and forgot about it for a couple of months. I was looking for a way to contact him after I realized that I hadn't received them when they showed up. Perhaps he has more orders than he can fill. I seem to remember he does this in his spare time. Having met him once, I am inclined to think you won't have a problem, unless of course you need them now. Do not archive Ivan Haecker -4 1100hrs. S.Cen. TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Randy Simpson where are you? > --> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com > > Anyone know as to the whereabouts of Randy Simpson of Airtime Manufacturing? > -the guy who makes the Titanium Tie-downs? > > I placed an online order for a set back on August 14 and Pay-Pal'ed the $95 > to him and haven't seen anything. I've sent him three emails since then and > gotten no response whatsoever. > > Is his business still viable? Is he still viable? > > Scott > N4ZW > 150 RV-4 > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:45 PM PST US From: "Mike Holland" Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Destroyed --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" Sad and sobering pictures. But one question. I note that in one of the photos among all the wreckage there is a metal hangar still intact. Was this true in general and could you pass along any learnings in regard to hangar designs and what held up and what didn't. Thanks Mike Holland Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:40 PM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-4 Destroyed --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Yeah, Mike, these were quonset type hangars on both sides of me--supposedly good to 175 mph. One was destroyed, the other untouched. The key, I think, is to make sure the doors are secured. The quonset that survived had braced their door with a steel brace anchored to the floor. However, I spoke to the guys who hung out in the hangar during the blow and they said it was pretty scary. They said the entire structure was pulling on the holddowns and banging as it came back down, so I think the quonsets develop a lot of lift. I know the military used to say the quonsets were best for the wind, but I believe the best thing today is to get one of the new steel structures that are rated to 140 mph by local code. Generally, in this area the newer hangars survived just fine, all of the older hangars came down. The exception to this was that the little Port-a-Port T hangars all survived just fine on this airport and they are pretty old. The Piper factory suffered a lot of damage with many of their hangars totally destroyed. Ft. Pierce, next door, had a lot of damage. A couple of huge hangars came down with a lot a nice airplanes inside. And so on, down the coast all the way to W. Palm Beach where I saw the Jet Aviation FBO hangar minus its roof. Here's what happens to a quonset without the door being braced--this one is next to mine: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=166857&ck If this link doesn't work, the picutre is in the Dropbox on my web site. Pat do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Holland" Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Destroyed > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" > > Sad and sobering pictures. But one question. I note that in one of the photos among all the wreckage there is a metal hangar still intact. Was this true in general and could you pass along any learnings in regard to hangar designs and what held up and what didn't. > > Thanks > > Mike Holland > > Do not archive. > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:37 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-4 Destroyed --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Living in Calif with the earthquakes our walls are built with vert. & horz. rebar. The roof looks like the same type of construction but I could not make out the type/style/size of the interconnection points. BUT we've not had 120 mph sustained winds at APV to the best of my knowledge. Did spend two days attempting to save our C-172 in the 1960's at North Las Vegas Airport where we had 60 to 80 mph winds with gusts in the area of 100+ mph. Lots of damage to outside parked aircraft and the rental van we parked to block the wind. C-172 came out OK but the entire left side of the van was shiney silver. When we rented it, it was a single color, dark blue. Not sure of the date but it was when the C-124 Globemaster broke loose and rolled south, way south. KABONG Do Not Archive. 8*) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Holland" Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Destroyed > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" > > Sad and sobering pictures. But one question. I note that in one of the > photos among all the wreckage there is a metal hangar still intact. Was > this true in general and could you pass along any learnings in regard to > hangar designs and what held up and what didn't. > > Thanks > > Mike Holland > > Do not archive. > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:28 PM PST US From: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Wt of aluminum correction and a point on shuttle SRB vs Rutan en... --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: >I'm no rocket scientist, but I remember reading that the Shuttle boosters can >be shut down. I believe this is done by setting off an explosion which >basically blows the fire out. Is this correct? > > I don't know if it is correct, but I can tell you what a friend of mine who, while he's not a rocket scientist, he is an engineer that worked for a company that built rockets. He told me that all the rockets they built had a system to "abort" the launch if something went wrong with the trajectory. He described it as a small explosion that didn't put the rocket out, but it changed the rocket motor in a way the made it so it didn't provide any net thrust. I'm not sure exactly how that worked but it sounded to me like the thrust was sent out the side of the rocket 360 degrees so there ended up being a net zero thrust. I would guess that the rocket boosters on the shuttle have a similar system. do not archive -- Chris W Bring Back the HP 15C http://hp15c.org Not getting the gifts you want? The Wish Zone can help. http://thewishzone.com