Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:41 AM - Elevator Questions (David Fenstermacher)
2. 04:38 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (LarryRobertHelming)
3. 05:08 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Ed Anderson)
4. 06:22 AM - Re: Elevator Questions (David Fenstermacher)
5. 06:50 AM - MP Problems Solved (Lenleg@aol.com)
6. 07:10 AM - Re: Scaled Composite Pilot ()
7. 07:16 AM - E-705 (Doug Cook)
8. 07:19 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Finn Lassen)
9. 07:27 AM - Re: Elevator Questions (Patrick Kelley)
10. 07:36 AM - Re: Elevator Questions (Doug Brinlee)
11. 07:53 AM - Help with in-flight adj . Pedals (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
12. 07:53 AM - Re: Elevator Questions (Mike Draper)
13. 08:10 AM - Re: Elevator Questions (Larry Bowen)
14. 08:15 AM - Info about Tucson (Emmanuelle Richard)
15. 08:22 AM - Re: MP Problems Solved (Dan Checkoway)
16. 08:54 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Hull, Don)
17. 09:23 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Hull, Don)
18. 09:24 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Hull, Don)
19. 09:38 AM - RV sale price (Paul Lein)
20. 09:42 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (RV_8 Pilot)
21. 09:45 AM - Re: Help with in-flight adj . Pedals (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
22. 09:46 AM - Re: MP Problems Solved (RV_8 Pilot)
23. 09:56 AM - Re: Info about Tucson (Gordon or Marge Comfort)
24. 10:18 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Hull, Don)
25. 10:29 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Hull, Don)
26. 10:45 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Hull, Don)
27. 10:46 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Larry Bowen)
28. 10:47 AM - RV-4 Project Wanted (Tedd McHenry)
29. 10:48 AM - Lycoming Spark Plug Socket? (John Wiegenstein)
30. 11:06 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Finn Lassen)
31. 11:35 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (HAL KEMPTHORNE)
32. 11:47 AM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Hull, Don)
33. 01:37 PM - biennial flight review (jadecuir@comcast.net)
34. 01:54 PM - Re: Help with in-flight adj . Pedals (Charles Rowbotham)
35. 02:22 PM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Hull, Don)
36. 02:44 PM - Re: biennial flight review (N13eer@aol.com)
37. 02:57 PM - Humor --> biennial flight review (Tom Gummo)
38. 03:09 PM - Wing Tie Down Rings (Martin Hone)
39. 03:36 PM - Re: Wing Tie Down Rings (Jim Jewell)
40. 03:40 PM - Re: biennial flight review (Larry Bowen)
41. 05:03 PM - Re: Wing Tie Down Rings (Larry Rhea)
42. 05:10 PM - Humor --> biennial flight review (Tom Gummo)
43. 05:11 PM - Humor --> biennial flight review (Tom Gummo)
44. 05:49 PM - Re: biennial flight review (Jerry Springer)
45. 06:02 PM - Metal Bandsaw ()
46. 06:16 PM - >Re: biennial flight review (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
47. 06:51 PM - Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? (Michael McGee)
48. 10:21 PM - AFP installation on IO-360 (thomas a. sargent)
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| Subject: | Elevator Questions |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
1. Why do the plans/manual call for countersinking the top of E-705 and dimpling
the bottom. Why not just dimple both?
I think the thing is just too thin to countersink. Tried practicing on some thin
scrap and as soon as the cutter hits, the hole opens up and the bit chatters
all over the place.
There is also a strange callout to countersink the E-705 to the E-702 spar. Again,
why not just dimple everything.
I have a pneumatic squeezer. It'll squeeze it.
Can't, and I mean can't, imagine life without this thing.
2. What is the best way to find the position of the hinges (e.g. the trim tab).
I was thinking I'd side grip the trim tab to the elevator and then just drill.
Is there a more "scientific" way of doing this. Van's has a full size
cross-section on the plans. Is it a good starting point to just measure off of
the plans, mark the hinge, then adjust from there?
Thanks,
Dave
-8
wrapping up emp. - wings on order.
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| Subject: | Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Every body is different I guess. do not archive
In reading Art B. Waldal's reply, "Have a close vision one in my right
> eye for reading and a far one in the other for distance. They are great.
> Wouldn't give them up for nothing. Yes, I still carry around a pair of 1.5
reading
> glasses for the dim areas and for use as safety glasses. It took about a
week
> for my eyes to get used to them and for my brain to get it's act
together."
My experience was very different. When I undertook flying, I had been using
the method for more than 5 years that Art describes. One eye for close up
one for far away. It worked great in all respects except flying. Flying
demanded more far away distance clarity from both eyes for distance
determination for me. At 57 years, I was having a distance judgment problem
with approaches. When I changed to get perfect far away vision in both eyes
and started using reading glasses for close up, the problem went away. I
know this does not answer the original question about the new contacts, but
I thought I should respond on the one eye close one long comment. It does
not work for everyone. I should also add, I am under the belief that each
eye must be corrected to 20/20 both far and near to be legal. Fly safe.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker" 97% done, 13% yet to do. (I'm giving
this 110%) :-\
The sincerest satisfactions in life come in doing and not dodging duty;
in meeting and solving problems, in facing facts;
in flying a virgin plane never flown before.
- Richard L. Evans & Larry R Helming
----- Original Message -----
From: <Abwaldal@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Abwaldal@aol.com
>
>
> Good morning list
> About these contact lenses: I wear them. Have a close vision one in my
right
> eye for reading and a far one in the other for distance. They are great.
> Wouldn't give them up for nothing. Yes, I still carry around a pair of 1.5
reading
> glasses for the dim areas and for use as safety glasses. It took about a
week
> for my eyes to get used to them and for my brain to get it's act together.
As
> far as official, my AME said he didn't care. I only have a 3rd class
medical
> though. If I'm flying I have to use the reading glasses for the charts
though.
> They cost more, about double. My eye doctor said I'd probably only be able
to
> use them for about 4-8 years (I've used them for 3 years now) as the old
eyes
> change as the years pile on. 53 now. End of report I wouldn't be without
them.
> Good day Art B. Waldal
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| Subject: | Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
> Every body is different I guess. do not archive
>
> In reading Art B. Waldal's reply, "Have a close vision one in my right
> > eye for reading and a far one in the other for distance. They are great.
> > Wouldn't give them up for nothing. Yes, I still carry around a pair of
1.5
> reading
> > glasses for the dim areas and for use as safety glasses. It took about a
> week
> > for my eyes to get used to them and for my brain to get it's act
> together."
>
Not directly related to the far/near lens topic, but, having lost vision in
my right eye a decade ago, I feared my flying days were over. But, it
turns out you CAN fly legally with vision in only one eye. More to the
point, my Doctor informed me that the binocular estimate of distance (in
humans) only extends out to approx 10 -15 feet. Beyond that humans
subconsciously use references of scale, order and other non-binocular clues
for estimating distance. About the only aviation activity I believe the
lack of binocular capability to estimate distance might hinder would be
something like close formation flying. My landings are now more consist
(and better) than previously as I know I can no longer rely on estimating my
altitude to flare and instead simply look at the far end of the runway as a
horizontal reference for landing.
FWIW
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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| Subject: | Elevator Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
> 1. Why do the plans/manual call for countersinking the top of E-705
and dimpling the bottom. Why not just dimple both?
> I think the thing is just too thin to countersink. Tried practicing on
some thin scrap and as soon as the cutter hits, the hole opens up and the
bit chatters all over the place.
OK - I figured this out. Why not countersink the hinge to accept the
dimples on the trim tab spar instead of countersinking the spar so there is
no "dent/dimple" for the hinge to ride on???
As for my other two questions - still clueless.
Thanks,
Dave
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| Subject: | MP Problems Solved |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
The great mystery of my "slow" plane has been solved thanks to all on the
different RV list. It seems I was getting a very high MP reading everytime I
compared with someone else .... my Rky Mtn uMonitor was reading high ... not
their fault but mine !!!
I did not calibrate the unit correctly .... I was reading 4" too high !!!
Or to put another way I was flying 4" lower setting than everyone else ...
that is giving up a lot of MP !!
But on the good side ... I have discovered additional speed with no mods
!!!!
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, N.C. N910LL
280 hrs
AND GETTING FASTER !!!!!
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| Subject: | Scaled Composite Pilot |
--> RV-List message posted by: <webmaster@flion.com>
That was the chief of the rocket motor company, not their test pilot.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Fuselage nearly ready to come out of jig
-----Original Message-----
--> RV-List message posted by: richard dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Listers,
In the 2 hour special on the Spaceshipone flights, it was mentioned that
their chief test pilot was in a fatal accident in an amateur built
aircraft just before the first flight of Spaceshipone. Does anyone know
any particulars about the type aircraft or the accident?
Regards.
Richard Dudley
-6A ready to move to the airport
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Cook" <Dugcook@cox.net>
Dave,
I finished my 7A empennage last month, so I took a look at the 2 rivets you're
talking about and I can see no reason why a 470 rivet couldn't be used.
I did countersink the E-606PP, no big deal. I do use a cordless screw driver with
Avery's Hex Adapter for countersinking (and deburring), as it give a lot more
control at lower speed (no chattering, etc).
Doug
RV-7A (awaiting Q-build)
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| Subject: | Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
LarryRobertHelming wrote:
>My experience was very different. When I undertook flying, I had been using
>the method for more than 5 years that Art describes. One eye for close up
>one for far away. It worked great in all respects except flying. Flying
>demanded more far away distance clarity from both eyes for distance
>determination for me. At 57 years, I was having a distance judgment problem
>with approaches. When I changed to get perfect far away vision in both eyes
>and started using reading glasses for close up, the problem went away.
>
I recommend the book "Stick and rudder".
Obviously one can make good landings using perfect depth vision, but why
make it difficult.
Instead use perspective - peripheal vision. Relative size changes of
objects as you get nearer to the ground.
You really don't need 20/20 vision to make good landings. It is nice to
be able to see the runway markings, windsock, debris on the runway and
such things, though.
Finn
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| Subject: | Elevator Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
You can do that, but it is usual practice to dimple the skin and countersink
the structure underneath. In other words, countersink the hinge and spar
together. The hinge will guide the countersink and prevent hole
enlargement.
As for drilling the hinge, I first positioned the tab and made sure there
was a good match - you want a straight gap of about 1/8 to 3/16" as I
recall. Then I removed the tab and positioned the hinge with c-clamps (side
grips would not hold the hinge tight) to the elevator. Once I was satisfied
that the hinge center was centered in my gap, I drilled it. I then
repositioned the tab, making sure the trailing edge was even with the
elevator, and used a side grip to clamp the hinge at the outboard edge.
Carefully, so as not to allow the inboard end to slide, I rotated the tab
enough to get a side grip on the inboard end. Then I un-clecoed the hinge
from the elevator, added c-clamps, and drilled the hinge to the tab.
Oh, yeah. Then I re-cleoced the hinge back to the tab and elevator,
alternating so that clecos wouldn't interfere with each other, and spent a
lot of time moving the tab up and down. It was my first movable surface and
it was way cool to see how freely it worked. ;-)
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Getting ready to mount gear b4 bottom skin riveting
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Fenstermacher
Subject: RE: RV-List: Elevator Questions
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher"
<dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
> 1. Why do the plans/manual call for countersinking the top of E-705
and dimpling the bottom. Why not just dimple both?
> I think the thing is just too thin to countersink. Tried practicing on
some thin scrap and as soon as the cutter hits, the hole opens up and the
bit chatters all over the place.
OK - I figured this out. Why not countersink the hinge to accept the
dimples on the trim tab spar instead of countersinking the spar so there is
no "dent/dimple" for the hinge to ride on???
As for my other two questions - still clueless.
Thanks,
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
David,
Call van's before you dimple the hinge.... could cause some distortion. I
would not advise that. I did countersink the spar.
Doug 7 wing
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Elevator Questions
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher"
<dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
>
> > 1. Why do the plans/manual call for countersinking the top of E-705
> and dimpling the bottom. Why not just dimple both?
> > I think the thing is just too thin to countersink. Tried practicing on
> some thin scrap and as soon as the cutter hits, the hole opens up and the
> bit chatters all over the place.
>
>
> OK - I figured this out. Why not countersink the hinge to accept the
> dimples on the trim tab spar instead of countersinking the spar so there
is
> no "dent/dimple" for the hinge to ride on???
>
> As for my other two questions - still clueless.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Help with in-flight adj . Pedals |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I have this bag full of parts for the in-flight adjustable pedals for
the 8. The drawing shows no details.
Does anyone have a close-up pic of the rigging. Just a picture and Im
golden. Without it Im scratching my head.
Maybe I got directions when I inventoried the kit, but I surely cant
find anything about them.
Thanks
Michael Stewart
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mike Draper <rv8tor@gmail.com>
Dave:
The hinge material too thin/soft to countersink.
When you countersink the top of E-705, take a piece of aluminum stock
with a #40 hole in it and clamp it under the E-705 channel. This
will act as a guide for your countersink bit, prevent chatter, and
provide you with a cleaner countersink.
I don't have a copy of the plans in front of me but as I recall the
outboard position of the hinge on the eleveator is clearly marked.
For placing the hinge on the trim tab. I drew a reference line down
the middle of the hinge and used the prepunched holes in the trim tab
skin/spar to align the hinge. This will provide you with appropriate
edge distance.
Good luck.
-Mike
RV-8 QB
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:17:10 -0400, David Fenstermacher
<dfenstermacher@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
>
> > 1. Why do the plans/manual call for countersinking the top of E-705
> and dimpling the bottom. Why not just dimple both?
> > I think the thing is just too thin to countersink. Tried practicing on
> some thin scrap and as soon as the cutter hits, the hole opens up and the
> bit chatters all over the place.
>
>
> OK - I figured this out. Why not countersink the hinge to accept the
> dimples on the trim tab spar instead of countersinking the spar so there is
> no "dent/dimple" for the hinge to ride on???
>
> As for my other two questions - still clueless.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
My plans and/or the video say to not dimple the hinge.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Doug Brinlee said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
>
> David,
> Call van's before you dimple the hinge.... could cause some distortion. I
> would not advise that. I did countersink the spar.
> Doug 7 wing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Elevator Questions
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher"
> <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
>>
>> > 1. Why do the plans/manual call for countersinking the top of E-705
>> and dimpling the bottom. Why not just dimple both?
>> > I think the thing is just too thin to countersink. Tried practicing
>> on
>> some thin scrap and as soon as the cutter hits, the hole opens up and
>> the
>> bit chatters all over the place.
>>
>>
>> OK - I figured this out. Why not countersink the hinge to accept the
>> dimples on the trim tab spar instead of countersinking the spar so there
> is
>> no "dent/dimple" for the hinge to ride on???
>>
>> As for my other two questions - still clueless.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Info about Tucson |
--> RV-List message posted by: Emmanuelle Richard <frenchflyer21@yahoo.com>
RV-listers, It looks like i will be in training in Tucson for the next couple
of weeks. I'm considering flying to TUC with the RV4 instead of driving from
L.A.. Would appreciate any recommendations on what FBO to use, where to find
hangar space, cheap gas and hotel by the airport. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: MP Problems Solved |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
You mean you actually fly with the throttle pulled back?! 8-)
Just kidding (do not archive).
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: MP Problems Solved
> --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> The great mystery of my "slow" plane has been solved thanks to all on the
> different RV list. It seems I was getting a very high MP reading
everytime I
> compared with someone else .... my Rky Mtn uMonitor was reading high ...
not
> their fault but mine !!!
>
> I did not calibrate the unit correctly .... I was reading 4" too high !!!
> Or to put another way I was flying 4" lower setting than everyone else
...
> that is giving up a lot of MP !!
>
> But on the good side ... I have discovered additional speed with no mods
> !!!!
>
> Len Leggette, RV-8A
> Greensboro, N.C. N910LL
> 280 hrs
>
>
> AND GETTING FASTER !!!!!
>
>
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| Subject: | OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
Charlie,
I went through this with an EAA Opthalmologist, an AOPA Opthalmologist, and
an FAA Optometrist. Unless the Class III medical form has changed in the
last few months, it specifically asks if you have acted as pilot in command
in the last XXX months with contact lens to correct for near vision. If you
answer "yes," you will be told by the FAA in OKC that contact lens are not
allowed to correct for near (reading) vision. I think it's a bad rule, and
I hope your friend's eye doctor is correct, but I believe he's not aware of
the new form that was instituted about 5 years ago. They specifically
forbade all contacts for near vision because of one instance where a pilot
had an accident while wearing one lens for near and one lens for far
correction. They totally ignore bifocal contacts, except to disallow them.
I hope I'm wrong, because I now fly with single vision contacts and
"possess glasses that correct for near vision while exercising the
privileges" of my airman certificate.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie England [mailto:ceengland@bellsouth.net]
Subject: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
It's about time for me to get my annual 'vision inspection' & one of my
pilot friends tells me he's now wearing the new concentric ring bifocal
contacts and that his eye doctor (who is also a pilot) prescribed them
as ok to use while flying.
I know that the old weighted type lenses aren't approved. What about the
new type? Anybody flying with them who's gotten an official opinion on this?
Thanks,
Charlie
Come & eat BBQ at noon on Saturday at Slobovia Outernational Airport
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
I am wondering how you answered the question on the FAA form...
Go to FAA Form 8500-8 (3-99), Application for Airman Medical Certificate
(the one we have to complete every 2 or 3 years), line 17.b asks "Do You
Ever Use Near Vision Contact Lens(es) While Flying? __Yes or __No
You can preview the form on the Members Section of the AOPA web site. The
AOPA provides this explanation on their web site:
"Contact lenses that correct for near visual acuity are not considered by
the FAA to be appropriate for flying duties. Near vision is your 'close up'
vision, and is measured at a distance of 16 inches from your eyes to the
material you are reading (or trying to read!) Wearing one lens to correct
for near vision and the other lens to correct for distance is also not
acceptable.
Single vision, bifocal or trifocal eyeglasses, or contact lenses that
correct for distant vision only are acceptable to meet the vision standards
for all classes of medical certificate."
If you want to talk to the FAA directly, I would recommend you contact Dr.
Van Nakagawara, O.D. at 405+954-6235 or Van.Nakagawara@faa.gov.
He is very easy to talk to and is most helpful in explaining why we are not
allowed to wear contact lens(es) for near vision correction.
It would be interesting to discuss some of the new techniques with him.
Don Hull
-----Original Message-----
From: SportAV8R@aol.com [mailto:SportAV8R@aol.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
It's about time for me to get my annual 'vision inspection' & one of my
pilot friends tells me he's now wearing the new concentric ring bifocal
contacts and that his eye doctor (who is also a pilot) prescribed them
as ok to use while flying.
I know that the old weighted type lenses aren't approved. What about the
new type? Anybody flying with them who's gotten an official opinion on this?
Thanks,
Charlie
Charlie: I didn't get an "official opinion" on them, beyond simply passing
my physical with them the last two times. I tried to read whatever they put
in front of me with contacts in and with them out. I did not conceal the
fact that I was wearing contacts, but did not mention the bifocal nature of
the right lens to anyone. I made a passing score both for near and at
distance with the contacts in, and as far as I am concerned, that is all
that counts.
YMMV.
-BB
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| Subject: | OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Bowen [mailto:Larry@bowenaero.com]
Subject: RE: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Related but different -- anyone know the verdict is on Paragon CRT contacts?
You wear them while you sleep only. Take them out during the day. What
does the FAA think?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SportAV8R@aol.com [mailto:SportAV8R@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:23 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> It's about time for me to get my annual 'vision inspection' &
> one of my pilot friends tells me he's now wearing the new
> concentric ring bifocal contacts and that his eye doctor
> (who is also a pilot) prescribed them as ok to use while flying.
>
> I know that the old weighted type lenses aren't approved.
> What about the new type? Anybody flying with them who's
> gotten an official opinion on this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
> Charlie: I didn't get an "official opinion" on them, beyond
> simply passing my physical with them the last two times. I
> tried to read whatever they put in front of me with contacts
> in and with them out. I did not conceal the fact that I was
> wearing contacts, but did not mention the bifocal nature of
> the right lens to anyone. I made a passing score both for
> near and at distance with the contacts in, and as far as I am
> concerned, that is all that counts.
>
> YMMV.
>
> -BB
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Lein <pj115@journey.com>
Thanks for the help finding current RV prices. I've set a price on mine
that I'm assured is fair. If any of you folks would like a spec sheet
and pictures you can email me at pj115@journey.com. I'll send you a
Word document.
Paul Lein
1555 South Brinton Road
Mt. Pleasant, MI 48858-9628
Tel. 989 644-2451
Fax 989 644-6098
pj115@journey.com
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| Subject: | OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>Related but different -- anyone know the verdict is on Paragon CRT
>contacts?
>You wear them while you sleep only. Take them out during the day. What
>does the FAA think?
I used them once several years back. Listed them on my FAA medical form and
had no problem. I even had no restrictions on the medical.
BUT - they didn't work for me long term. In the short term they were very
effective. Long term, I started getting odd looking growths on the surface
of my eye next to my cornea. The opthamoilogist said these were probably
fat deposits. So I quit using them and went back to regular disposable
contact lenses.
do not archive
Bryan
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| Subject: | Help with in-flight adj . Pedals |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Hmmm. Assembly of rudder pedals in fuse kit.
Instructions to assemble pedals in fuse kit.
Instructions for adjustable component IN FINISH KIT.
ARGH!!!!
I will go and see if they are in the finish kit bundle of plans.
Thanks. Ill bet that will take care of me.
Mike
S8
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Burks [mailto:tburks@pobox.com]
Subject: RE: RV-List: Help with in-flight adj . Pedals
Mike,
If I recall correctly, you get the rudder pedel parts with the fuse kit,
but
the drawings are with the finish kit :) You may be able to find them in
the
preview plans...
I will take a pic when I get home...
Terry
RV-8, Finish Kit, Huntsville, AL
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| Subject: | Re: MP Problems Solved |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
I did fly around for a while with the throttle linkage in the wrong hole for
a while.... embarrasing but true. I just thought the MAP indicator was out
of calibration and reading a few inches low. doh!!
On the plus side, it flew like heck when I got the linkage back like it was
supposed to be!
do not archive
Bryan
>You mean you actually fly with the throttle pulled back?! 8-)
>
>Just kidding (do not archive).
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: MP Problems Solved
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
> >
> > The great mystery of my "slow" plane has been solved thanks to all on
>the
> > different RV list. It seems I was getting a very high MP reading
>everytime I
> > compared with someone else .... my Rky Mtn uMonitor was reading high ...
>not
> > their fault but mine !!!
> >
> > I did not calibrate the unit correctly .... I was reading 4" too high
>!!!
> > Or to put another way I was flying 4" lower setting than everyone else
>...
> > that is giving up a lot of MP !!
> >
> > But on the good side ... I have discovered additional speed with no mods
> > !!!!
> >
> > Len Leggette, RV-8A
> > Greensboro, N.C. N910LL
> > 280 hrs
> >
> >
> > AND GETTING FASTER !!!!!
> >
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| Subject: | Info about Tucson |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Emmanuelle
Richard
Subject: RV-List: Info about Tucson
--> RV-List message posted by: Emmanuelle Richard
--> <frenchflyer21@yahoo.com>
RV-listers, It looks like i will be in training in Tucson for the next
couple of weeks. I'm considering flying to TUC with the RV4 instead of
driving from L.A.. Would appreciate any recommendations on what FBO to
use, where to find hangar space, cheap gas and hotel by the airport.
Thanks.
Emmanuelle: I have been well taken care of at Tucson Jet, now Gate One,
in the past. However it has been 18 months since I was there so don't
know if the name change was a result of change in ownership or not. If
is was, then I cannot be sure of their present level of accomodation.
They don't have hangars usually, but they do have shadeports and weekly
rates. Can't comment on gas prices. They are at TUS (Tucson
International) not far from the control tower. AOPA gives their phone
as: 800 889 0593. A call would help clarify things. The tower people
have always been very congenial with small aircraft.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
Larry,
I haven't asked the FAA specifically, but based on my conversations with Dr.
Nakagawara, the Paragon CRT contacts would be okay because you wear them
while you sleep. You don't fly in your sleep, do you? :-)
However, I would think they only correct nearsightedness. As we get older
we usually have to wear "reading lenses" for near vision, even though our
far vision is excellent.
You could ask Dr. Nakagawara (email: Van.Nakagawara@faa.gov )
I hope that's still a valid email address for him.
Don Hull
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Bowen [mailto:Larry@bowenaero.com]
Subject: RE: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Related but different -- anyone know the verdict is on Paragon CRT contacts?
You wear them while you sleep only. Take them out during the day. What
does the FAA think?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SportAV8R@aol.com [mailto:SportAV8R@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:23 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> It's about time for me to get my annual 'vision inspection' &
> one of my pilot friends tells me he's now wearing the new
> concentric ring bifocal contacts and that his eye doctor
> (who is also a pilot) prescribed them as ok to use while flying.
>
> I know that the old weighted type lenses aren't approved.
> What about the new type? Anybody flying with them who's
> gotten an official opinion on this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
> Charlie: I didn't get an "official opinion" on them, beyond
> simply passing my physical with them the last two times. I
> tried to read whatever they put in front of me with contacts
> in and with them out. I did not conceal the fact that I was
> wearing contacts, but did not mention the bifocal nature of
> the right lens to anyone. I made a passing score both for
> near and at distance with the contacts in, and as far as I am
> concerned, that is all that counts.
>
> YMMV.
>
> -BB
>
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| Subject: | OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
Dear RV pilots,
One item that is of concern to me...
With the increasing popularity of RV's, more and more pilots are flying in
"formation" to breakfasts, flyins, etc. Granted: some are rather loose
formations, but some are rather close. That's acceptable as long as each
pilot is okay with it. BUT the reason the FAA had a problem with a pilot
wearing one contact lens for near and one for far, AKA "Monovision," is that
such a pilot supposedly has a problem with DEPTH PERCEPTION. If this is
true, could one of the formation pilots be closer than he thinks he is? Are
you comfortable with the pilot on your wing who MIGHT have a problem with
depth perception? What if you don't know hs MIGHT have a problem with depth
perception? I hope the RV teams who regularly perform for the public in
close formation are aware of this potential problem.
Just food for thought.
Personally, I think outlawing bifocal contacts for flying is like throwing
the baby out with the bathwater.
Yours for safe RV flying,
Don Hull
RV-7 elevators
-----Original Message-----
From: Hull, Don
Subject: RE: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
I am wondering how you answered the question on the FAA form...
Go to FAA Form 8500-8 (3-99), Application for Airman Medical Certificate
(the one we have to complete every 2 or 3 years), line 17.b asks "Do You
Ever Use Near Vision Contact Lens(es) While Flying? __Yes or __No You can
preview the form on the Members Section of the AOPA web site. The AOPA
provides this explanation on their web site:
"Contact lenses that correct for near visual acuity are not considered by
the FAA to be appropriate for flying duties. Near vision is your 'close up'
vision, and is measured at a distance of 16 inches from your eyes to the
material you are reading (or trying to read!) Wearing one lens to correct
for near vision and the other lens to correct for distance is also not
acceptable.
Single vision, bifocal or trifocal eyeglasses, or contact lenses that
correct for distant vision only are acceptable to meet the vision standards
for all classes of medical certificate."
If you want to talk to the FAA directly, I would recommend you contact Dr.
Van Nakagawara, O.D. at 405+954-6235 or Van.Nakagawara@faa.gov.
He is very easy to talk to and is most helpful in explaining why we are not
allowed to wear contact lens(es) for near vision correction.
It would be interesting to discuss some of the new techniques with him.
Don Hull
-----Original Message-----
From: SportAV8R@aol.com [mailto:SportAV8R@aol.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
It's about time for me to get my annual 'vision inspection' & one of my
pilot friends tells me he's now wearing the new concentric ring bifocal
contacts and that his eye doctor (who is also a pilot) prescribed them
as ok to use while flying.
I know that the old weighted type lenses aren't approved. What about the
new type? Anybody flying with them who's gotten an official opinion on this?
Thanks,
Charlie
Charlie: I didn't get an "official opinion" on them, beyond simply passing
my physical with them the last two times. I tried to read whatever they put
in front of me with contacts in and with them out. I did not conceal the
fact that I was wearing contacts, but did not mention the bifocal nature of
the right lens to anyone. I made a passing score both for near and at
distance with the contacts in, and as far as I am concerned, that is all
that counts.
YMMV.
-BB
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| Subject: | OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
Larry,
You are correct and are an example of why the FAA disallows Monovision
prescriptions for pilots (one contact for far and one for near vision). An
airline pilot landed a little short at LaGuardia a few years ago and the FAA
determined that his depth perception wasn't sufficient with Monovision
contacts.
I am flying with the same situation as you: contacts for distant vision and
reading glasses for near vision.
Don Hull
P.S. Apparently there are many pilots as well as AME's who do not
understand Question 17.b on the FAA from 8500-8 (3-99) where it asks, "Do
You Ever Use Near Vision Contact Lens(es) While Flying? __Yes __No" The
AOPA web site says this means:
" Contact lenses that correct for near visual acuity are not considered by
the FAA to be appropriate for flying duties. Near vision is your 'close up'
vision, and is measured at a distance of 16 inches from your eyes to the
material you are reading (or trying to read!) Wearing one lens to correct
for near vision and the other lens to correct for distance is also not
acceptable.
Single vision, bifocal or trifocal eyeglasses, or contact lenses that
correct for distant vision only are acceptable to meet the vision standards
for all classes of medical certificate." end of AOPA quote
My AME was a very experienced NASA Flight Surgeon who was not aware of it
until I pointed it out to him. I had been flying with bifocal contacts for
about 5 years when I found out about it. DCH
-----Original Message-----
From: LarryRobertHelming [mailto:lhelming@sigecom.net]
Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
--> <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Every body is different I guess. do not archive
In reading Art B. Waldal's reply, "Have a close vision one in my right
> eye for reading and a far one in the other for distance. They are
> great. Wouldn't give them up for nothing. Yes, I still carry around a
> pair of 1.5
reading
> glasses for the dim areas and for use as safety glasses. It took about
> a
week
> for my eyes to get used to them and for my brain to get it's act
together."
My experience was very different. When I undertook flying, I had been using
the method for more than 5 years that Art describes. One eye for close up
one for far away. It worked great in all respects except flying. Flying
demanded more far away distance clarity from both eyes for distance
determination for me. At 57 years, I was having a distance judgment problem
with approaches. When I changed to get perfect far away vision in both eyes
and started using reading glasses for close up, the problem went away. I
know this does not answer the original question about the new contacts, but
I thought I should respond on the one eye close one long comment. It does
not work for everyone. I should also add, I am under the belief that each
eye must be corrected to 20/20 both far and near to be legal. Fly safe.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker" 97% done, 13% yet to do. (I'm giving
this 110%) :-\
The sincerest satisfactions in life come in doing and not dodging duty; in
meeting and solving problems, in facing facts; in flying a virgin plane
never flown before.
- Richard L. Evans & Larry R Helming
----- Original Message -----
From: <Abwaldal@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Abwaldal@aol.com
>
>
> Good morning list
> About these contact lenses: I wear them. Have a close vision one in my
right
> eye for reading and a far one in the other for distance. They are
> great. Wouldn't give them up for nothing. Yes, I still carry around a
> pair of 1.5
reading
> glasses for the dim areas and for use as safety glasses. It took about
> a
week
> for my eyes to get used to them and for my brain to get it's act
> together.
As
> far as official, my AME said he didn't care. I only have a 3rd class
medical
> though. If I'm flying I have to use the reading glasses for the charts
though.
> They cost more, about double. My eye doctor said I'd probably only be
> able
to
> use them for about 4-8 years (I've used them for 3 years now) as the
> old
eyes
> change as the years pile on. 53 now. End of report I wouldn't be
> without
them.
> Good day Art B. Waldal
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| Subject: | OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I didn't realize they were for nearsightedness only. I can see up close
fine, it's the far that is starting to go. Darn computer screeens.......
Thanks,
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Hull, Don said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
>
> Larry,
> I haven't asked the FAA specifically, but based on my conversations with
> Dr.
> Nakagawara, the Paragon CRT contacts would be okay because you wear them
> while you sleep. You don't fly in your sleep, do you? :-)
> However, I would think they only correct nearsightedness. As we get older
> we usually have to wear "reading lenses" for near vision, even though our
> far vision is excellent.
> You could ask Dr. Nakagawara (email: Van.Nakagawara@faa.gov )
> I hope that's still a valid email address for him.
> Don Hull
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Bowen [mailto:Larry@bowenaero.com]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Related but different -- anyone know the verdict is on Paragon CRT
> contacts?
> You wear them while you sleep only. Take them out during the day. What
> does the FAA think?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SportAV8R@aol.com [mailto:SportAV8R@aol.com]
>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:23 PM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>>
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England
>> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> It's about time for me to get my annual 'vision inspection' &
>> one of my pilot friends tells me he's now wearing the new
>> concentric ring bifocal contacts and that his eye doctor
>> (who is also a pilot) prescribed them as ok to use while flying.
>>
>> I know that the old weighted type lenses aren't approved.
>> What about the new type? Anybody flying with them who's
>> gotten an official opinion on this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> Charlie: I didn't get an "official opinion" on them, beyond
>> simply passing my physical with them the last two times. I
>> tried to read whatever they put in front of me with contacts
>> in and with them out. I did not conceal the fact that I was
>> wearing contacts, but did not mention the bifocal nature of
>> the right lens to anyone. I made a passing score both for
>> near and at distance with the contacts in, and as far as I am
>> concerned, that is all that counts.
>>
>> YMMV.
>>
>> -BB
>>
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| Subject: | RV-4 Project Wanted |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
I have a friend who's looking for an RV-4 project to finish. Anyone interested
in selling theirs please contact me off-list.
---
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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| Subject: | Lycoming Spark Plug Socket? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Wiegenstein" <n727jw@hellerwiegenstein.com>
Perhaps a dumb question, but what is the best tool for removing/installing
the spark plugs on the O-360? Just a 7/8 inch deep socket? A thinwall
version of same? Or is there some special version that works best? AS$
and other tool vendors don't show anything specific for this.
John Wiegenstein
Hansville, WA
RV-6 N727JW - 8.5 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
Again, when flying formation you use reference points on the plane
you're flying in formation on. Obviously depth perception plays a part,
but I don't think it's a significant part.
Michael?
Finn
Hull, Don wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
>
>Dear RV pilots,
>One item that is of concern to me...
>With the increasing popularity of RV's, more and more pilots are flying in
>"formation" to breakfasts, flyins, etc. Granted: some are rather loose
>formations, but some are rather close. That's acceptable as long as each
>pilot is okay with it. BUT the reason the FAA had a problem with a pilot
>wearing one contact lens for near and one for far, AKA "Monovision," is that
>such a pilot supposedly has a problem with DEPTH PERCEPTION. If this is
>true, could one of the formation pilots be closer than he thinks he is? Are
>you comfortable with the pilot on your wing who MIGHT have a problem with
>depth perception? What if you don't know hs MIGHT have a problem with depth
>perception? I hope the RV teams who regularly perform for the public in
>close formation are aware of this potential problem.
>Just food for thought.
>Personally, I think outlawing bifocal contacts for flying is like throwing
>the baby out with the bathwater.
>Yours for safe RV flying,
>Don Hull
>RV-7 elevators
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hull, Don
>To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
>Subject: RE: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
>
>I am wondering how you answered the question on the FAA form...
>
>Go to FAA Form 8500-8 (3-99), Application for Airman Medical Certificate
>(the one we have to complete every 2 or 3 years), line 17.b asks "Do You
>Ever Use Near Vision Contact Lens(es) While Flying? __Yes or __No You can
>preview the form on the Members Section of the AOPA web site. The AOPA
>provides this explanation on their web site:
>
>"Contact lenses that correct for near visual acuity are not considered by
>the FAA to be appropriate for flying duties. Near vision is your 'close up'
>vision, and is measured at a distance of 16 inches from your eyes to the
>material you are reading (or trying to read!) Wearing one lens to correct
>for near vision and the other lens to correct for distance is also not
>acceptable.
>Single vision, bifocal or trifocal eyeglasses, or contact lenses that
>correct for distant vision only are acceptable to meet the vision standards
>for all classes of medical certificate."
>
>If you want to talk to the FAA directly, I would recommend you contact Dr.
>Van Nakagawara, O.D. at 405+954-6235 or Van.Nakagawara@faa.gov.
>
>He is very easy to talk to and is most helpful in explaining why we are not
>allowed to wear contact lens(es) for near vision correction.
>
>It would be interesting to discuss some of the new techniques with him.
>
>Don Hull
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SportAV8R@aol.com [mailto:SportAV8R@aol.com]
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
>It's about time for me to get my annual 'vision inspection' & one of my
>pilot friends tells me he's now wearing the new concentric ring bifocal
>contacts and that his eye doctor (who is also a pilot) prescribed them
>as ok to use while flying.
>
>I know that the old weighted type lenses aren't approved. What about the
>new type? Anybody flying with them who's gotten an official opinion on this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Charlie
>
>Charlie: I didn't get an "official opinion" on them, beyond simply passing
>my physical with them the last two times. I tried to read whatever they put
>in front of me with contacts in and with them out. I did not conceal the
>fact that I was wearing contacts, but did not mention the bifocal nature of
>the right lens to anyone. I made a passing score both for near and at
>distance with the contacts in, and as far as I am concerned, that is all
>that counts.
>
>YMMV.
>
>-BB
>
>
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| Subject: | OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: HAL KEMPTHORNE <hal_kempthorne@sbcglobal.net>
I was under the impression that two eyes give depth perception out to about 25
feet. Beyond that it comes from our experience with the size of objects. So,
if we are shown a miniature house that is forty feet away we judge it to be further.
Wiley Post had only one eye - other pilots reported that he would move his head
from side to side while landing.
hal
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| Subject: | OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
Larry,
What I meant is they correct nearsightedness, which is what you have if you
can see near but not far off. I have been nearsighted since I was 12 years
old. If your far vision is starting to go, you may be a candidate for the
Paragon CRT contacts. My doctor offered them to me, and one advantage over
surgery is if you don't like them you can always go back to glasses. Of
course, you would have to pay for them. :-)
You may be a candidate for them.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Bowen [mailto:Larry@bowenaero.com]
Subject: RE: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I didn't realize they were for nearsightedness only. I can see up close
fine, it's the far that is starting to go. Darn computer screeens.......
Thanks,
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Hull, Don said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
>
> Larry,
> I haven't asked the FAA specifically, but based on my conversations
> with Dr. Nakagawara, the Paragon CRT contacts would be okay because
> you wear them while you sleep. You don't fly in your sleep, do you?
> :-) However, I would think they only correct nearsightedness. As we
> get older we usually have to wear "reading lenses" for near vision,
> even though our far vision is excellent.
> You could ask Dr. Nakagawara (email: Van.Nakagawara@faa.gov )
> I hope that's still a valid email address for him.
> Don Hull
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Bowen [mailto:Larry@bowenaero.com]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Related but different -- anyone know the verdict is on Paragon CRT
> contacts? You wear them while you sleep only. Take them out during
> the day. What does the FAA think?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SportAV8R@aol.com [mailto:SportAV8R@aol.com]
>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:23 PM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>>
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England
>> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> It's about time for me to get my annual 'vision inspection' & one of
>> my pilot friends tells me he's now wearing the new concentric ring
>> bifocal contacts and that his eye doctor (who is also a pilot)
>> prescribed them as ok to use while flying.
>>
>> I know that the old weighted type lenses aren't approved. What about
>> the new type? Anybody flying with them who's gotten an official
>> opinion on this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> Charlie: I didn't get an "official opinion" on them, beyond simply
>> passing my physical with them the last two times. I tried to read
>> whatever they put in front of me with contacts in and with them out.
>> I did not conceal the fact that I was wearing contacts, but did not
>> mention the bifocal nature of the right lens to anyone. I made a
>> passing score both for near and at distance with the contacts in, and
>> as far as I am concerned, that is all that counts.
>>
>> YMMV.
>>
>> -BB
>>
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| Subject: | biennial flight review |
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--> RV-List message posted by: jadecuir@comcast.net
How does an RV-4 driver get a review in his own aircraft? Or do I need to rent
an aircraft with complete dual controls?
John DeCuir
RV-4, N204CP
Salinas, CA
How does an RV-4 driver get a review in his own aircraft? Or do I need to rent
an aircraft with complete dual controls?
John DeCuir
RV-4, N204CP
Salinas, CA
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| Subject: | Help with in-flight adj . Pedals |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Mike,
I beleive the drawing is # 46.
Chuck Rowbotham
RV8A
>From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Help with in-flight adj . Pedals
>Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:50:36 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>I have this bag full of parts for the in-flight adjustable pedals for
>the 8. The drawing shows no details.
>
>Does anyone have a close-up pic of the rigging. Just a picture and Im
>golden. Without it Im scratching my head.
>
>Maybe I got directions when I inventoried the kit, but I surely cant
>find anything about them.
>
>Thanks
>
>Michael Stewart
>
>Do not archive
>
>
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
Yes, and you can have LASIK surgery with one eye for near vision and one eye
for far vision, and after a waiting period of something like 6 months, the
FAA will approve your medical certificate. But they won't let you fly with
contact lens that way. Go figure.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: HAL KEMPTHORNE [mailto:hal_kempthorne@sbcglobal.net]
Subject: RE: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
--> RV-List message posted by: HAL KEMPTHORNE
--> <hal_kempthorne@sbcglobal.net>
I was under the impression that two eyes give depth perception out to about
25 feet. Beyond that it comes from our experience with the size of objects.
So, if we are shown a miniature house that is forty feet away we judge it to
be further.
Wiley Post had only one eye - other pilots reported that he would move his
head from side to side while landing.
hal
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| Subject: | Re: biennial flight review |
--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
John,
I just had the same issue with my -8. So I put rear rudder peddels in last weekend
and will have to get a throttle in before the end of the month. Van's has
a rudder kit for you but on the -4 your on your own for the throttle. RV-4 rear
seat rudder pedals, Part Number = RSR-PED, Price = $105.00
Alan Kritzman
Cedar Rapid, IA
RV-8 N8EM
23 months of flying
--> RV-List message posted by: jadecuir@comcast.net
How does an RV-4 driver get a review in his own aircraft? Or do I need to rent
an aircraft with complete dual controls?
John DeCuir
RV-4, N204CP
Salinas, CA
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| Subject: | Humor --> biennial flight review |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
All this talk about vision is giving me double vision. :-)
see below.
>
> How does an RV-4 driver get a review in his own aircraft? Or do I need to
> rent an aircraft with complete dual controls?
> John DeCuir
> RV-4, N204CP
> Salinas, CA
>
> How does an RV-4 driver get a review in his own aircraft? Or do I need to
> rent an aircraft with complete dual controls?
> John DeCuir
> RV-4, N204CP
> Salinas, CA
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| Subject: | Wing Tie Down Rings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
Hi guys,
I just can't seem to lay my hands on the info - can someone advise what
size thread is used for the tie-down rings that screw into the spar on a -6
?
Cheers and thanks in advance.
Martin in Oz
mctrader@bigpond.net.au
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tie Down Rings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Martin,
Three eights National Course is the thread size of the Vans supplied tie
down rings.
Getting close to done are ya?
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Hone" <mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RV-List: Wing Tie Down Rings
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I just can't seem to lay my hands on the info - can someone advise what
> size thread is used for the tie-down rings that screw into the spar on
> a -6
> ?
>
> Cheers and thanks in advance.
>
> Martin in Oz
> mctrader@bigpond.net.au
>
>
>
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| Subject: | biennial flight review |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Depends on the person giving the review, I believe. Some insist on complete
dual controls, others don't. Am I wrong?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Do not archive.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N13eer@aol.com [mailto:N13eer@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:43 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: biennial flight review
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
>
> John,
> I just had the same issue with my -8. So I put rear rudder
> peddels in last weekend and will have to get a throttle in
> before the end of the month. Van's has a rudder kit for you
> but on the -4 your on your own for the throttle. RV-4 rear
> seat rudder pedals, Part Number = RSR-PED, Price = $105.00
>
>
> Alan Kritzman
> Cedar Rapid, IA
> RV-8 N8EM
> 23 months of flying
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: jadecuir@comcast.net
>
> How does an RV-4 driver get a review in his own aircraft? Or
> do I need to rent an aircraft with complete dual controls?
> John DeCuir
> RV-4, N204CP
> Salinas, CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing Tie Down Rings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Rhea" <rv6larry@msn.com>
3/16-18
>From: "Martin Hone" <mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <RV-List@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Wing Tie Down Rings
>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:10:47 +1000
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
>
>
>Hi guys,
>
>I just can't seem to lay my hands on the info - can someone advise what
>size thread is used for the tie-down rings that screw into the spar on a -6
>?
>
>Cheers and thanks in advance.
>
>Martin in Oz
>mctrader@bigpond.net.au
>
>
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| Subject: | Humor --> biennial flight review |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
All this talk about vision is giving me double vision. :-)
see below.
>
> How does an RV-4 driver get a review in his own aircraft? Or do I need to
> rent an aircraft with complete dual controls?
> John DeCuir
> RV-4, N204CP
> Salinas, CA
>
> How does an RV-4 driver get a review in his own aircraft? Or do I need to
> rent an aircraft with complete dual controls?
> John DeCuir
> RV-4, N204CP
> Salinas, CA
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| Subject: | Humor --> biennial flight review |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
All this talk about vision is giving me double vision. :-)
see below.
>
> How does an RV-4 driver get a review in his own aircraft? Or do I need to
> rent an aircraft with complete dual controls?
> John DeCuir
> RV-4, N204CP
> Salinas, CA
>
> How does an RV-4 driver get a review in his own aircraft? Or do I need to
> rent an aircraft with complete dual controls?
> John DeCuir
> RV-4, N204CP
> Salinas, CA
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| Subject: | Re: biennial flight review |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Regs require dual controls
Jerry
Larry Bowen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
>Depends on the person giving the review, I believe. Some insist on complete
>dual controls, others don't. Am I wrong?
>
>-
>Larry Bowen
>Larry@BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>Do not archive.
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: N13eer@aol.com [mailto:N13eer@aol.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:43 PM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: biennial flight review
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
>>
>>John,
>>I just had the same issue with my -8. So I put rear rudder
>>peddels in last weekend and will have to get a throttle in
>>before the end of the month. Van's has a rudder kit for you
>>but on the -4 your on your own for the throttle. RV-4 rear
>>seat rudder pedals, Part Number = RSR-PED, Price = $105.00
>>
>>
>>Alan Kritzman
>>Cedar Rapid, IA
>>RV-8 N8EM
>>23 months of flying
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: jadecuir@comcast.net
>>
>>How does an RV-4 driver get a review in his own aircraft? Or
>>do I need to rent an aircraft with complete dual controls?
>>John DeCuir
>>RV-4, N204CP
>>Salinas, CA
>>
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: biennial flight review |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Back in the early eighties, when the BFR was still new,my CFI got in the back
of our RV-4 and we went flying. No rear rudder pedals but did have
throttle/mixture back there. The next time he said, " They say I have to fly with
you
,but don't say how: YOU get in the back ! ". We played airshow for that BFR.
AHHH ! Life was so simple in the old days !!
do not archive
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | OT: concentric bifocal contacts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
All this mono vision problem the Feds have is due to someone loosing a
contact lens and not having the required vision to meet specs. I believe
it has resulted in bent aluminum and paper work so they made a rule. With
Lasik you can't "loose" a lens.
Mike (also a one-eyed pilot)
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode, RD-1C, EC-2
At 14:19 2004-10-12, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
>
>Yes, and you can have LASIK surgery with one eye for near vision and one eye
>for far vision, and after a waiting period of something like 6 months, the
>FAA will approve your medical certificate. But they won't let you fly with
>contact lens that way. Go figure.
>Don
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HAL KEMPTHORNE [mailto:hal_kempthorne@sbcglobal.net]
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: OT: concentric bifocal contacts?
>
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>--> RV-List message posted by: HAL KEMPTHORNE
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>I was under the impression that two eyes give depth perception out to about
>25 feet. Beyond that it comes from our experience with the size of objects.
>So, if we are shown a miniature house that is forty feet away we judge it to
>be further.
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>Wiley Post had only one eye - other pilots reported that he would move his
>head from side to side while landing.
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>hal
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--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Does any one have any pictures on their web page of their AFP air
controller installed on the engine? Preferably without much else in the
way. I'm puzzling over the AFP manual (which has VERY badly reproduced
photos in it) and it would help a lot to see one installed.
Also, the AFP manual seems to talk about control cable brackets as
though they are an off the shelf item, but apparently not from Van's or
AFP. Do I make these myself?
Thanks,
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Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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