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1. 12:16 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 27 Msgs - 10/09/04 (Blake Harral)
2. 02:35 AM - Re: Follow up on Aircraft Spruce ()
3. 02:57 AM - Re: Warranty time line ()
4. 06:32 AM - Re: best vhf comm? (Charles Rowbotham)
5. 07:48 AM - Re: Re : My XCOM 760 order (Keck, David)
6. 07:51 AM - Re: Re : My XCOM 760 order (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
7. 08:01 AM - Re: Re : My XCOM 760 order (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
8. 08:19 AM - Re: Re : My XCOM 760 order (Keck, David)
9. 08:34 AM - Re: >Re: Preparing the engine cowl for paint (James H Nelson)
10. 08:52 AM - Re: Re : My XCOM 760 order (Scott VanArtsdalen)
11. 10:16 AM - Fuel Tanks (George Neal E Capt AU/PC)
12. 11:03 AM - Re: Follow up on Aircraft Spruce (Neil McLeod)
13. 11:18 AM - Land of Enchantment Passenger? ()
14. 12:19 PM - Re: AFP installation on IO-360 (Phil Birkelbach)
15. 02:41 PM - Re: >Re: Preparing the engine cowl for paint ()
16. 02:55 PM - Aircraft Spruce, but mostly Wicks (Rick Galati)
17. 03:15 PM - Large Fly Cutter (Jamie Painter)
18. 04:14 PM - Re: >Re: Preparing the engine cowl for paint (Brian Kraut)
19. 04:41 PM - Re: >Re: Preparing the engine cowl for paint (James H Nelson)
20. 05:40 PM - Re: Large Fly Cutter (David E. Nelson)
21. 06:05 PM - Re: AFP installation on IO-360 (thomas a. sargent)
22. 06:52 PM - RV6 Preflight Checklist (Tony Marshall)
23. 07:52 PM - Slobovia Outernational BBQ 2 day warning (Charlie England)
24. 08:04 PM - > Re: Large Fly Cutter (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
25. 08:24 PM - Re: RV6 Preflight Checklist (Tedd McHenry)
26. 09:31 PM - Re: > Re: Large Fly Cutter (steve zicree)
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List Digest: 27 Msgs - 10/09/04 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Blake Harral" <bharral@cox.net>
Ted,
My IO-360 with Hartzell CSP won't cycle at 1700 RPM. It will cycle at 1800
RPM. No problems in flight - I have flown it at 1900 RPM in cruise.
Blake Harral
N72RV 750 hrs
I am getting my RV-4 prepped for the first flight and did my first run-up
today
to continue with engine tests. When I tried to cycle the prop nothing
happened.
No perceptible rpm drop or change in any way. Engine runs fine otherwise.
Here's the vital statistics:
Overhauled Hartzell compact hub prop
Overhauled Woodward governor
IO-360 from Bart LaLonde plumbed for c/s prop
Run-up rpm - 1700 rpm
Oil temp - 178 degrees
The engine and prop were in storage for about 3yrs.
I've checked the basics: cable connected, governor arm is moving, prop
oil line
connected with no leaks.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated
Ted
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| Subject: | Re: Follow up on Aircraft Spruce |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
As did a couple of you, I got a note from Jim Irwin concerning my reasons
for quitting the use of their services at Aircraft Spruce. Since I quit
once in the early '90s for poor service and gave them a second chance later
on and still got poor service, I figure I'd given them a fighting chance to
show me they had changed. They hadn't; so, I quit them the second time. I
may still order something from them that I can't find anywhere else; but,
the bulk of my orders will come from somewhere else. I've found that Wicks
is far superior in service to Aircraft Spruce and have bought the bulk of my
day to day stuff from them. I've also found that there is very little that
Aircraft Spruce sells that I can't get elsewhere. For me, the problems were
associated with pricing, backorders, and shipping. Quality of product came
into play, sometimes, as did the customer service group. It all added up to
a very frustrated customer. I finally gave up and tried Wicks. When I did
that, I was frustrated at myself for not having listened earlier to my
friends who told me about Wicks. Granted, Wicks doesn't have the selection
that AS does; but, it does pretty well at filling my needs.
Jim Sears in KY
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Warranty time line |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
One of the many items I ordered from Aircraft Spruce was an intercom. I
still had plenty of warranty on mine when I found that I had a problem with
it. I had tested all leads and made sure my wiring was correct. Aircraft
Spruce would not replace it. I called the manufacturer and got a new one.
In fact, mine passed their intercom in the mail. To this day, I wonder if
Aircraft Spruce sent me a bad intercom knowing it was bad. When one starts
doubting a companies integrity, it's time to quit using them. We sink a lot
of money into our projects. I spent several thousands of dollars with
Aircraft Spruce. I won't do it, now. One thing about shopping around is
that one finds that other places can generally beat Aircraft Spruce prices,
etc.
Jim Sears in KY
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Comeaux" <mcomeaux@bendnet.com>
Subject: RV-List: Warranty time line
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Comeaux" <mcomeaux@bendnet.com>
>
> Re: Aircraft Spruce
> Heads up on purchasing your instuments over a period of time.
> I thought like Lycoming they would start the warranty period at
> time of certification of aircraft, "Wrong" from the time of purchase
> it starts. I started purchasing my instruments 2 yrs prior to completion.
> I was in a pinch at completion to find the airspeed defective and
> Van's was able to overnite one to me faster than A/C. Spruce
> refuses to warranty it & insists on sending back to manufacturer
> and leave it up to them for resolve. I like many others have spent
> thousands with Mr. Irwins Company no more....I built (2) aircraft
> since 1993 they are off my list now...Beware....Mike Comeaux
> P.S. 6 phone calls to customer service & never a return call....
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Lucky,
We have the SL-40 and are very pleased with it and would recommend it. It
takes up very little space and the alternate freq monitoring is very handy.
We also have a PS 1000 II intercom and find it gives a lot of flexibility -
adjusting for different headsets etc.
Give me a call if you'd like to discuss further.
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A (300+ hours)
>From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: best vhf comm?
>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:44:08 +0000 0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART
>Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary 0.01 RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE
>Received: by and from look like IP addresses
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
>
>OK, so I'm back to square one on the VHF radio scene.
>
>I'm building a VFR panel. Was going to do the XCOM 760 for VHF voice comm.
>
>Now that I'm seriously looking elsewhere, the closest thing to it is the SL
>40 because it's the only one I know of which allows you to listen on both
>frequencies and has a built in VOX intercom and it had a small profile (all
>desireable in my RV8 panel). But it has no provision for an additional
>input (ie, music) right? There was some chatter in the archives but some
>contradictory opinions on the use of it's intercom. Seems most probably
>used a separate intercom.
>
>Are there any others with similar features?
>
>If I forget about the built in intercom function, what else is there that
>allows dual channel monitoring and I can get repaired in the States?
>
>Microair 760 looks interesting but does it do dual channel monitoring?
>
>thanks in advance,
>Lucky
>
>OK, so I'm back to square one on the VHF radio scene.
>
>I'm building a VFR panel. Was going to do the XCOM 760 for VHF voice comm.
>
>Now that I'm seriously looking elsewhere, the closest thing to it is the SL
>40 because it's the only one I know of which allows you to listen on both
>frequencies and has a built in VOX intercom and it had a small profile (all
>desireable in my RV8 panel). But it has no provision for an additional
>input (ie, music) right? There was some chatter in the archives but some
>contradictory opinions on the use of it's intercom. Seems most probably
>used a separate intercom.
>
>Are there any otherswith similar features?
>
>If I forget about the built in intercom function, what else is there that
>allows dual channel monitoring and I can get repaired in the States?
>
>Microair 760 looks interesting but does it do dual channel monitoring?
>
>thanks in advance,
>Lucky
>
>
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re : My XCOM 760 order |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Keck, David" <david.keck@amd.com>
I ordered mine in January 2003, still don't have it, and Coates won't answer my
emails. When did you order yours?
Thanks,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Kells
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re : My XCOM 760 order
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" <ernest.kells@sympatico.ca>
> Martin wrote.......you may try contacting Michael Coates (X-Air and XCOM)
at
>
> mcoates@mcp.com.au
>
> or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft/
>
I have recently ordered, received and installed the XCOM/760. I also
ordered the wiring harness as a "kit". It took a couple of hours to
complete the buildup. The plug is a little snug for 15 pins so I may
replace the jacket with a local roomier one. I am very happy with the
installation and operation.
The two addresses that Martin supplied work, and should be used. I have
used both. I would usually send in the evening - and receive a response the
next day (he's beginning work while I'm going to bed). About a week after
sending the order using his website I sent him an email asking for a rough
guess as to when I could expect receipt. He replied that it was probably
being processed that day and I could expect delivery around the following
Wednesday. I received it in a remote area of Canada one day later than his
rough estimate.
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| Subject: | Re: Re : My XCOM 760 order |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
To assume his business email all of a sudden doesn't work and I should scour the
earth trying to contact him is, well, not my style. I have corresponded with
him many times in the past using his work email right up to the day I placed
the order and I have no doubt he's received my the emails.
Further, I've received enough private emails on the subject to believe this can
be business as usual there sometimes.
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells"
>
>
> > Martin wrote.......you may try contacting Michael Coates (X-Air and XCOM)
> at
> >
> > mcoates@mcp.com.au
> >
> > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft/
> >
>
> I have recently ordered, received and installed the XCOM/760. I also
> ordered the wiring harness as a "kit". It took a couple of hours to
> complete the buildup. The plug is a little snug for 15 pins so I may
> replace the jacket with a local roomier one. I am very happy with the
> installation and operation.
>
> The two addresses that Martin supplied work, and should be used. I have
> used both. I would usually send in the evening - and receive a response the
> next day (he's beginning work while I'm going to bed). About a week after
> sending the order using his website I sent him an email asking for a rough
> guess as to when I could expect receipt. He replied that it was probably
> being processed that day and I could expect delivery around the following
> Wednesday. I received it in a remote area of Canada one day later than his
> rough estimate.
>
>
>
>
>
>
To assume his business email all of a sudden doesn't work and I should scour the
earth trying to contact him is, well, not my style. I have corresponded with
him many times in the past using his work email right up to the day I placed
the order and I have no doubt he's received my the emails.
Further, I've received enough private emails on the subject to believe this can
be business as usual there sometimes.
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" <ERNEST.KELLS@SYMPATICO.CA>
Martin wrote.......you may try contacting Michael Coates (X-Air and XCOM)
at
mcoates@mcp.com.au
or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft/
I have recently ordered, received and installed the XCOM/760. I also
ordered the wiring harness as a "kit". It took a couple of hours to
complete the buildup. The plug is a little snug for 15 pins so I may
replace the jacket with a local roomier one. I am very happy with the
installation and operation.
The two addresses that Martin supplied work, and should be used. I have
used both. I would usually send in the eve
ning - and receive a response the
next day (he's beginning work while I'm going to bed). About a week after
sending the order using his website I sent him an email asking for a rough
guess as to when I could expect receipt. He replied that it was probably
being processed that day and I could expect delivery around the following
Wednesday. I received it in a remote area of Canada one day later than his
rough estimate.
m/chat
================================
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| Subject: | Re : My XCOM 760 order |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
question is, did he charge your account or cash your check?
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Keck, David"
>
> I ordered mine in January 2003, still don't have it, and Coates won't answer
my
> emails. When did you order yours?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Kells
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re : My XCOM 760 order
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells"
>
>
> > Martin wrote.......you may try contacting Michael Coates (X-Air and XCOM)
> at
> >
> > mcoates@mcp.com.au
> >
> > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft/
> >
>
> I have recently ordered, received and installed the XCOM/760. I also
> ordered the wiring harness as a "kit". It took a couple of hours to
> complete the buildup. The plug is a little snug for 15 pins so I may
> replace the jacket with a local roomier one. I am very happy with the
> installation and operation.
>
> The two addresses that Martin supplied work, and should be used. I have
> used both. I would usually send in the evening - and receive a response the
> next day (he's beginning work while I'm going to bed). About a week after
> sending the order using his website I sent him an email asking for a rough
> guess as to when I could expect receipt. He replied that it was probably
> being processed that day and I could expect delivery around the following
> Wednesday. I received it in a remote area of Canada one day later than his
> rough estimate.
>
>
>
>
>
>
question is, did he charge your account or cash your check?
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Keck, David" <DAVID.KECK@AMD.COM>
I ordered mine in January 2003, still don't have it, and Coates won't answer my
emails. When did you order yours?
Thanks,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Kells
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re : My XCOM 760 order
-- RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" <ERNEST.KELLS@SYMPATICO.CA>
Martin wrote.......you may try contacting Michael Coates (X-Air and XCOM)
at
mcoates@mcp.com.au
or http://groups.yahoo.com
/group/X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft/
I have recently ordered, received and installed the XCOM/760. I also
ordered the wiring harness as a "kit". It took a couple of hours to
complete the buildup. The plug is a little snug for 15 pins so I may
replace the jacket with a local roomier one. I am very happy with the
installation and operation.
The two addresses that Martin supplied work, and should be used. I have
used both. I would usually send in the evening - and receive a response the
next day (he's beginning work while I'm going to bed). About a week after
sending the order using his website I sent him an email asking for a rough
guess as to when I could expect receipt. He replied that it was probably
being processed that day and I could expect delivery around the following
Wednesday. I received it in a remote area of Canada one day later t
han his
rough estimate.
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| Subject: | Re : My XCOM 760 order |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Keck, David" <david.keck@amd.com>
He didn't charge my account yet, but he asked me to verify my CC information that
I gave him in Jan '03.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
luckymacy@comcast.net
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re : My XCOM 760 order
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
question is, did he charge your account or cash your check?
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Keck, David"
>
> I ordered mine in January 2003, still don't have it, and Coates won't answer
my
> emails. When did you order yours?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Kells
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re : My XCOM 760 order
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells"
>
>
> > Martin wrote.......you may try contacting Michael Coates (X-Air and XCOM)
> at
> >
> > mcoates@mcp.com.au
> >
> > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft/
> >
>
> I have recently ordered, received and installed the XCOM/760. I also
> ordered the wiring harness as a "kit". It took a couple of hours to
> complete the buildup. The plug is a little snug for 15 pins so I may
> replace the jacket with a local roomier one. I am very happy with the
> installation and operation.
>
> The two addresses that Martin supplied work, and should be used. I have
> used both. I would usually send in the evening - and receive a response the
> next day (he's beginning work while I'm going to bed). About a week after
> sending the order using his website I sent him an email asking for a rough
> guess as to when I could expect receipt. He replied that it was probably
> being processed that day and I could expect delivery around the following
> Wednesday. I received it in a remote area of Canada one day later than his
> rough estimate.
>
>
>
>
>
>
question is, did he charge your account or cash your check?
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Keck, David" <DAVID.KECK@AMD.COM>
I ordered mine in January 2003, still don't have it, and Coates won't answer my
emails. When did you order yours?
Thanks,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Kells
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re : My XCOM 760 order
-- RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" <ERNEST.KELLS@SYMPATICO.CA>
Martin wrote.......you may try contacting Michael Coates (X-Air and XCOM)
at
mcoates@mcp.com.au
or http://groups.yahoo.com
/group/X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft/
I have recently ordered, received and installed the XCOM/760. I also
ordered the wiring harness as a "kit". It took a couple of hours to
complete the buildup. The plug is a little snug for 15 pins so I may
replace the jacket with a local roomier one. I am very happy with the
installation and operation.
The two addresses that Martin supplied work, and should be used. I have
used both. I would usually send in the evening - and receive a response the
next day (he's beginning work while I'm going to bed). About a week after
sending the order using his website I sent him an email asking for a rough
guess as to when I could expect receipt. He replied that it was probably
being processed that day and I could expect delivery around the following
Wednesday. I received it in a remote area of Canada one day later t
han his
rough estimate.
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: Preparing the engine cowl for paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
One issue when using smooth prime is to let it DRY. If you do not let it
dry completely, the moisture will lift the top coat. I have used it
successfully but I let it dry. Letting several weeks go by will probably
do the trick. If you are in a low humidity environment, the prime will
dry faster. The primer will seem dry but moisture is still migrating out
of the primer. I do like the smooth prime as it is great stuff as long
as you do it right. BTW, my first plane was a glass plane which
required lots of smoothing.
Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | Re : My XCOM 760 order |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Just an observation in general and not a jab at anyone in particular.
In real life, I run an email server. MS Exchange 2003 to be specific
and I also run a spam filter on it. So what? Just this: email should
not be considered a reliable communication medium. I have people
complain to me all the time that they aren't receiving email from
somebody. The email can get dropped by the ISP, it can get caught in my
spam filter, or it can go who knows where. The point is that if the
communication is important, pick up the phone and call. You'll exchange
a heck of a lot more information, a heckuva lot faster.
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV
4-ever!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re : My XCOM 760 order
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
To assume his business email all of a sudden doesn't work and I should
scour the earth trying to contact him is, well, not my style. I have
corresponded with him many times in the past using his work email right
up to the day I placed the order and I have no doubt he's received my
the emails.
Further, I've received enough private emails on the subject to believe
this can be business as usual there sometimes.
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells"
>
>
> > Martin wrote.......you may try contacting Michael Coates (X-Air and
XCOM)
> at
> >
> > mcoates@mcp.com.au
> >
> > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft/
> >
>
> I have recently ordered, received and installed the XCOM/760. I also
> ordered the wiring harness as a "kit". It took a couple of hours to
> complete the buildup. The plug is a little snug for 15 pins so I may
> replace the jacket with a local roomier one. I am very happy with the
> installation and operation.
>
> The two addresses that Martin supplied work, and should be used. I
have
> used both. I would usually send in the evening - and receive a
response the
> next day (he's beginning work while I'm going to bed). About a week
after
> sending the order using his website I sent him an email asking for a
rough
> guess as to when I could expect receipt. He replied that it was
probably
> being processed that day and I could expect delivery around the
following
> Wednesday. I received it in a remote area of Canada one day later than
his
> rough estimate.
>
>
>
>
>
>
To assume his business email all of a sudden doesn't work and I should
scour the earth trying to contact him is, well, not my style. I have
corresponded with him many times in the past using his work email right
up to the day I placed the order and I have no doubt he's received my
the emails.
Further, I've received enough private emails on the subject to believe
this can be business as usual there sometimes.
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells"
<ERNEST.KELLS@SYMPATICO.CA>
Martin wrote.......you may try contacting Michael Coates (X-Air and
XCOM)
at
mcoates@mcp.com.au
or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft/
I have recently ordered, received and installed the XCOM/760. I also
ordered the wiring harness as a "kit". It took a couple of hours to
complete the buildup. The plug is a little snug for 15 pins so I may
replace the jacket with a local roomier one. I am very happy with the
installation and operation.
The two addresses that Martin supplied work, and should be used. I have
used both. I would usually send in the eve
ning - and receive a response the
next day (he's beginning work while I'm going to bed). About a week
after
sending the order using his website I sent him an email asking for a
rough
guess as to when I could expect receipt. He replied that it was
probably
being processed that day and I could expect delivery around the
following
Wednesday. I received it in a remote area of Canada one day later than
his
rough estimate.
m/chat
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--> RV-List message posted by: George Neal E Capt AU/PC <Neal.George@MAXWELL.AF.MIL>
Listers -
Given that I have Van's capacitance fuel level senders and no flop tubes, is
there any reason to put a 6-inch hole in a perfectly good, solid inboard
rib?
It's not that I'm opposed to making the access panel, I just don't see the
point.
Future access seems a specious argument - if I need inside at some future
time for some as-yet undefined reason, I can cut the hole when it's needed,
rather than doing it now just because the plans say to...
Thanks
Neal
RV-7 N8ZG
(starting tanks)
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| Subject: | Follow up on Aircraft Spruce |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil McLeod" <bedrock@theriver.com>
I've been buying stuff from Spruce (West) through-out the 3 years I've been
building my project. I have consistently received my orders in 2-3 days with
standard shipping in Arizona with rarely a back order. When they do have to
back order I have always been told about it at the time of order and if I
decide to go ahead and order that item anyway the shipping has been free.
Excellent service IMHO.
Neil, 7QB
Bisbee, AZ, Finishing
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hopperdhh@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Follow up on Aircraft Spruce
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Dear Jim Irwin and other listers,
Let me tell of my experience with A/C Spruce. By far most transactions have
been positive. However, two tries at getting a control cable made for my
front mounted prop governor have cost me about $200 -- down the drain. Now
in the
great scheme of building an airplane that is just a drop in the bucket.
But,
I'm tight and I hate the thought of losing 200 bucks. The first failure was
my fault. I ordered the wrong termination. I never said a word about it,
no
complaints at all. After all the catalog clearly states, "No refunds on
special order cables."
The second time I thought I was being very clear when I specified the cable
to be just like Van's mixture cable, except for a blue knob and the length.
The person who took the order asked for the ACS part number on the mixture
cable, no other questions. I thought we were on the same wavelength. When
the
cable came, it had the wrong termination at the governor end -- the wrong
stroke,
I think. It was not like Van's mixture cable. When I called to explain
that
the cable was wrong, I got no satisfaction at all. I was not allowed to
talk
to a buyer or purchasing agent, only to the girl in customer "service."
This
time I was very upset because the error was definitely on the part of A/C
Spruce.
I ordered my 3rd and final prop governor cable direct from ACS in Arizona (a
spinoff from A/C Spruce). The cable was much cheaper than through A/C
Spruce,
and I was able to talk directly to the person who built the cable. I got
what I wanted the first time, and with little delay -- less than a week if I
remember correctly.
A/C Spruce would have been money ahead to have just admitted their mistake
and refunded my $112. One customer alone in this business of building
airplanes
is worth eating that much profit. I have since purchased thousands of
dollars worth of avionics and instruments from their competitors, just
because of
that one negative transaction. This somehow gave me some satisfaction. I
am
now over the loss of the $200. (Actually only $112 should be blamed on A/C
Spruce, since the first $87 was my fault.)
I am now back to buying from A/C Spruce because they really are a pretty
good
organization. But, the negative feelings from that one purchase still
surface every time I place an order with them.
BTW does anyone need a couple of mixture cables that won't work?
Regards,
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (A wonderful, wonderful airplane -- more than I ever imagined it could
be!)
N766DH (about 60 hours since 7/7/04)
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| Subject: | Land of Enchantment Passenger? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Do Not Archive
Listers,
I know this is late in the game and quite a long shot, but if there is anyone heading
to Las Cruces via Austin (TX) that would like an RV passenger to split
all expenses with (and anything else), I would certainly volunteer. Please contact
me off-list...sorry to exercise the delete key on this one.
Thanks,
Scott
7A Wings
www.scottsrv7a.com
Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
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| Subject: | Re: AFP installation on IO-360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
http://www.myrv7.com/viewimage.php?pictureid=501
http://www.myrv7.com/viewimage.php?pictureid=502
http://www.myrv7.com/viewimage.php?pictureid=533
http://www.myrv7.com/viewimage.php?pictureid=534
http://www.myrv7.com/viewlog.php?chapterid=21
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Panel
http://www.myrv7.com
thomas a. sargent wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
>Does any one have any pictures on their web page of their AFP air
>controller installed on the engine? Preferably without much else in the
>way. I'm puzzling over the AFP manual (which has VERY badly reproduced
>photos in it) and it would help a lot to see one installed.
>
>Also, the AFP manual seems to talk about control cable brackets as
>though they are an off the shelf item, but apparently not from Van's or
>AFP. Do I make these myself?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: Preparing the engine cowl for paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
> One issue when using smooth prime is to let it DRY. If you do not let it
> dry completely, the moisture will lift the top coat. I have used it
> successfully but I let it dry. Letting several weeks go by will probably
> do the trick. If you are in a low humidity environment, the prime will
> dry faster. The primer will seem dry but moisture is still migrating out
> of the primer. I do like the smooth prime as it is great stuff as long
> as you do it right. BTW, my first plane was a glass plane which
> required lots of smoothing.
Golly, gee! You must have all of the time in the world if you can wait
several weeks for the primer to cure. I don't know about the rest of us
aluminum aircraft builders on the RV-list; but, I don't want to wait for
weeks for primer to cure. I'm used to it's curing in an hour, or so. I
tried the stuff and ended up sanding it off of all of my glass parts. I
then used PPG K36 fast fill primer and had it about right on the first pass.
I then touched up what needed a little more after I'd wet sanded the first
pass. In a couple of coats, it was ready. I'll never use Smooth Prime
again. In fact, I'd probably not use it on a glass airplane, either.
Sorry. Old Dana Overall and I still disagree about the stuff; but, I'll
stick to my story. :-)
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317 (Doing the wings. Fuse ordered)
EAA Tech Counselor
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| Subject: | Aircraft Spruce, but mostly Wicks |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
My 4 1/2 year building experience is partially documented with stacks of invoices
from both Spruce and Wicks. Both companies have been very agreeable in my
experience and I have had few problems customer service wise. I am a bit partial
to Wicks simply because they are nearby and if I don't feel like making the
drive, priority mail usually translates into next day delivery. In many but
not all cases, they will match Spruces' prices if pointed out to be lower and
you ask. Some readers may find the following information interesting. Rumors
were starting to swirl regarding Wick's future. So I called one of my favorite
customer service persons at Wick's for any details she could offer. She told
me Wicks has experienced tremendous growth over the past few years. So much
growth in fact, that under new management which took over about a year ago,
they mean to expand into an as yet to be determined nearby airport. I told the
owner of my airport (Greensfield M71) about this an
d he
wasted little time in meeting with their people. You see, on spec he recently
completed construction of a large metal building complete with loading dock which
would be perfect for a tenant such as Wick's. Ultimately, only time will
tell if anything comes of it. I am not very optimistic, because at the moment,
Wicks prefers an airport a bit closer to (airportless) Highland, IL. They have
no intention of vacating their primary offices there. After all, Wick's did
get into the aircraft supply business through their historic organ business so
to speak. Nevertheless, Wick's recently started construction of an RV-8A and
is leasing a building they transformed into a customer build center at Shafer
airport which is approximately 10 miles south of Highland. This Saturday, Wick's
is hosting a fly/drive-in open house at the Shafer facility, the details
of which can be found on their website. In the coming years, they mean to compete
much more aggressively in the homebuilt market.
That
should be a good thing for all of us.
Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing"
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| Subject: | Large Fly Cutter |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
Anyone have a good source for a large fly cutter (for cutting root tank ribs).
I'm on my second cutter now and both are to small to ...errr...cut it. The
local Home Depot/Lowe's doesn't seem to sell one that large.
Thanks in advance.
Jamie
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Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A (maybe a -7) wings N622JP (reserved)
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: Preparing the engine cowl for paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
I used Smooth Prime on my KR2 and I love it. I let it dry a few hours
before I sanded then I painted the next day. You can't wet sand it though.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
sears@searnet.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: >Re: Preparing the engine cowl for paint
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
> One issue when using smooth prime is to let it DRY. If you do not let it
> dry completely, the moisture will lift the top coat. I have used it
> successfully but I let it dry. Letting several weeks go by will probably
> do the trick. If you are in a low humidity environment, the prime will
> dry faster. The primer will seem dry but moisture is still migrating out
> of the primer. I do like the smooth prime as it is great stuff as long
> as you do it right. BTW, my first plane was a glass plane which
> required lots of smoothing.
Golly, gee! You must have all of the time in the world if you can wait
several weeks for the primer to cure. I don't know about the rest of us
aluminum aircraft builders on the RV-list; but, I don't want to wait for
weeks for primer to cure. I'm used to it's curing in an hour, or so. I
tried the stuff and ended up sanding it off of all of my glass parts. I
then used PPG K36 fast fill primer and had it about right on the first pass.
I then touched up what needed a little more after I'd wet sanded the first
pass. In a couple of coats, it was ready. I'll never use Smooth Prime
again. In fact, I'd probably not use it on a glass airplane, either.
Sorry. Old Dana Overall and I still disagree about the stuff; but, I'll
stick to my story. :-)
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317 (Doing the wings. Fuse ordered)
EAA Tech Counselor
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: Preparing the engine cowl for paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Well at least I was able to do it in the garage with out the wiffy
causing a problem. Using a regular filling primer (solvent based) is
great for just the reasons you have itterated.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Large Fly Cutter |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Hi Jamie,
Check Sears/Craftsman.
/\/elson
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Jamie Painter wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>
>
> Anyone have a good source for a large fly cutter (for cutting root tank ribs).
> I'm on my second cutter now and both are to small to ...errr...cut it. The
> local Home Depot/Lowe's doesn't seem to sell one that large.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Jamie
>
> do not archive
>
>
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time, then break it again.
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| Subject: | Re: AFP installation on IO-360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Phil:
Thanks very much. These are just what I was looking for.
Phil Birkelbach wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
> http://www.myrv7.com/viewimage.php?pictureid=501
> http://www.myrv7.com/viewimage.php?pictureid=502
> http://www.myrv7.com/viewimage.php?pictureid=533
> http://www.myrv7.com/viewimage.php?pictureid=534
> http://www.myrv7.com/viewlog.php?chapterid=21
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Panel
> http://www.myrv7.com
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Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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| Subject: | RV6 Preflight Checklist |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
As a new owner of an RV6, I wonder if anyone on the list had developed a preflight
checklist for the RV6 they would like to share? Thanks.
tony marshall
polson, mt
rv6 n91cm
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| Subject: | Slobovia Outernational BBQ 2 day warning |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
We hope to see you here at Slobovia Outernational Saturday morning to
eat BBQ & talk airplanes. We expect to have a good turnout of homebuilts
& classics, with some alternative engines in the mix.
Info on Slobovia (MS71) can be found at
http://www.airnav.com/airport/MS71 or you can email me direct for
driving directions.
Charlie
flying RV-4; RV-7 wings
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| Subject: | Re: > Re: Large Fly Cutter |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I would recommend that you also get a foot switch to use along with your fly
cutter. That might prevent you holding on with both hands until someone comes
along to turn off the drill press.
Safety makes sense.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Re: RV6 Preflight Checklist |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
>
> As a new owner of an RV6, I wonder if anyone on the list had developed a
> preflight checklist for the RV6 they would like to share? Thanks.
We have a couple on our web site.
http://www.vansairforce.org/POH/
Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
www.vansairforce.org
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| Subject: | Re: > Re: Large Fly Cutter |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Good idea about the foot switch (don't ask how I know). I also found out the
hard way that if you run a flycutter at too high a speed or apply to much
feed pressure you'll harden the material and make it that much harder to cut
through. Go slow and keep it cool.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Oldsfolks@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: > Re: Large Fly Cutter
> --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>
> I would recommend that you also get a foot switch to use along with your
fly
> cutter. That might prevent you holding on with both hands until someone
comes
> along to turn off the drill press.
> Safety makes sense.
>
>
> Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
> A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
> Charleston,Arkansas
> Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
>
>
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