---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/18/04: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:04 AM - Re: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies (Scott Bilinski) 2. 07:27 AM - Re: Filling Oil Cooler (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 3. 07:59 AM - Lowrance 2000C ?? Look at the new EKP-4 WOW ! (Philip Condon) 4. 08:04 AM - Re: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies (Mickey Coggins) 5. 08:30 AM - Re: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies (Scott Bilinski) 6. 09:27 AM - iPAQ H5555 and accessories for sale... (Bill VonDane) 7. 10:03 AM - Re: Oil inspection door (Mike Robertson) 8. 10:18 AM - Re: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies (Mike Robertson) 9. 10:23 AM - Re: Control Vision EXP BUS (Mike Robertson) 10. 11:01 AM - Heat Muff Parts (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 11. 11:08 AM - Re: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies (Randy Lervold) 12. 11:46 AM - RV6A QB wing skins (Ralph E. Capen) 13. 12:25 PM - Re: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies (Jim & Bev Cone) 14. 01:53 PM - Re: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies (Charlie England) 15. 02:18 PM - Dynon back order (Jeff Dowling) 16. 02:34 PM - Re: Dynon back order (Ken Simmons) 17. 02:57 PM - Re: Filling Oil Cooler (Kyle Boatright) 18. 03:04 PM - Re: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies (Bob 1) 19. 03:53 PM - Re: Dynon back order (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com) 20. 05:43 PM - Re: Lowrance 2000C ?? Look at the new EKP-4 WOW ! (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 21. 07:04 PM - Re: Dynon back order (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club) 22. 07:13 PM - GPS hook up (Mike Comeaux) 23. 07:25 PM - tools (William Davis) 24. 08:06 PM - Re: tools (Sam Buchanan) 25. 08:35 PM - Re: Lowrance 2000C ?? Look at the new EKP-4 WOW ! (Scott Vanartsdalen) 26. 08:41 PM - Re: GPS hook up (Sam Buchanan) 27. 08:48 PM - FYI Questions answered about GRT EFIS - VERY LONG (Bill Schlatterer) 28. 10:58 PM - Re: Heat Muff Parts (Vanremog@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:38 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Why not get some sound cancelling head sets? At 03:00 PM 10/17/2004 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Eckenroth" > >In an effort to build a RV that I can live with noise wise I was planning >to use the RV with muffler exhaust as shown here. >http://www.aircraftexhaust.net/rv_exhaust.html > >However, other than viewing very limited information on the web site and >talking to them at Oshkosh I know too little to actually make a purchase. > >So- does anyone have any experience with their products, especially the >system with mufflers I will appreciate any comments. > >Thanks, > >Paul Eckenroth >RV9A Finish > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:01 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Filling Oil Cooler --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com In a message dated 10/17/04 9:23:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jsflyrv@earthlink.net writes: > What is the difference in turning it over by hand or using the starter? > > Jerry > > Its easier on the starter to turn it over by hand! I am concerned that the unloaded starter may turn up too many RPM. If you can get oil pressure by hand it would be better, that's all. Dan ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:52 AM PST US From: "Philip Condon" Subject: RV-List: Lowrance 2000C ?? Look at the new EKP-4 WOW ! --> RV-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" If you are in the market for something like the Lowrance 2000, be sure to compare the EKP-IV. At 1399$ it's the hands down winner in the larger screen market GPS. This new unit from C-MAP has terrain mapping like a large Garmin 296 and it can be configured to display horz. or vertical (landscape or portrait) mode. Lends itself as a built-in dash/panel unit to. I got one if you haven't guessed by now.... ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:10 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Maybe he doesn't want to annoy those pesky people on the ground that are always looking for excuses to close airports? :-) >Why not get some sound cancelling head sets? > >>In an effort to build a RV that I can live with noise wise I was planning >>to use the RV with muffler exhaust as shown here. >>http://www.aircraftexhaust.net/rv_exhaust.html -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:52 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Ah yes, those guys. If you want the plane quiet from the out side, may I suggest the Whirlwind 151 3 blade prop and elect ignition. The prop is very quiet and the ignition keeps all the burning in the combustion chamber where it belongs. With mags the burning exhaust is still burning in the exhaust pipes creating noise. People tell me that my plane sounds like a car engine on take off its so smooth and quiet compared to a standard set up. At 05:03 PM 10/18/2004 +0200, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > >Maybe he doesn't want to annoy those pesky people on the ground >that are always looking for excuses to close airports? :-) > > >Why not get some sound cancelling head sets? > > > >>In an effort to build a RV that I can live with noise wise I was planning > >>to use the RV with muffler exhaust as shown here. > >>http://www.aircraftexhaust.net/rv_exhaust.html > >-- >Mickey Coggins >http://www.rv8.ch/ >#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:54 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: iPAQ H5555 and accessories for sale... vansairforce --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Everything is in like new / perfect condition! iPAQ H5555 USB cradle / charger 12V car adapter for iPAQ SanDisk 128MB SD memory card Proporta aluminum iPAQ case/holder GlobalSat BT-308 bluetooth wireless 12 channel WAAS enabled GPS 12V car adapter for GPS PC Avionics Mountain Scope moving map software Airport Insight aviation database software Storm Chaser weather information software All this would cost over $1500 to buy separately... I'll let it all go for $1000 FIRM! More info on my web site: http://www.vondane.com/forsale/ipaq/ -Bill VonDane ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:00 AM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Oil inspection door --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" There are flush camlock fasteners available from Skybolt. Here is a link: http://www.skybolt.com/ Mike Robertson >From: bertrv6@highstream.net >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Oil inspection door >Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:50:32 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net > > > Hi: > > When at Oshkosh this year I saw an Rv, with to flush type of fastener >at each end of the Cowling Oil door..It looks great. > > I have tried to find out the which type of fastener is, and the size. > I look on Wicks catalog, but there are so many combinations, I tried some >but they came too small.. > > If some one has this type of arrangement, would appreciate the >information >as to type and size...I have an rv6a. Getting close to that day.... > > > Thanks > > >Bert >rv6a > > >Do Not archive > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:33 AM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" I don't ahve any experience with these guys but I do know that Larry Vetterman is working on a muffler exhaust system right now and it should be ready any time now. He says it will lower the noise level by about 8db. You may want to give him a call. Mike Robertson >From: "Paul Eckenroth" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies >Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:00:39 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Eckenroth" > >In an effort to build a RV that I can live with noise wise I was planning >to use the RV with muffler exhaust as shown here. >http://www.aircraftexhaust.net/rv_exhaust.html > >However, other than viewing very limited information on the web site and >talking to them at Oshkosh I know too little to actually make a purchase. > >So- does anyone have any experience with their products, especially the >system with mufflers I will appreciate any comments. > >Thanks, > >Paul Eckenroth >RV9A Finish > > Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:31 AM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Control Vision EXP BUS --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" I also am running the Van's 65 amp alternator with the EXP Bus. The only thing I had to do is bypass the on-board master solenoid and use a standard Van's master. The instructions were clearly laid out in the EXP-Bus instructions. But I have had no problems with this setup since new, now 185+ hours. Mike Robertson >From: "James E. Clark" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: RV-List: Control Vision EXP BUS >Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:21:30 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > >Been running EXP BUS on our RV6 for 2 years (about 400 hours) without >problem. > >Changed to the 55(?)/60(?) amp alternator from Van's about 200+ hours ago. >No problems. > >James > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Comeaux > > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:28 AM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RV-List: Control Vision EXP BUS > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Comeaux" > > > > Dear Listers: > > I have a problem that maybe everyone else should be made aware of > > in case you decide to install the Control Vision EXP BUS center. I had > > Blue Sky Aviation do my electrical and upon initial run up I cycled the > > Alt switch to check the alternator and blew all the resistors in > > the following > > gauges, Tach (Van's) impulse, Both fuel gauges, fuel pressure, > > oil pressure, oil temp. We called Van's and was told of a probable > > compatibilty problem with the 60amp internal regulated alternator with > > use of the EXP BUS system. Has anyone else heard of this? I've heard > > of some other issues regarding the Bus not sure if related. > > > > Mike Comeaux > > mcomeaux@bendnet.com > > > > > > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:54 AM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Heat Muff Parts --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Howdy list- Anyone know where to get replacement parts for the heat muff Vetterman sends with his standard crossover systems? I lost one of the rods with the threaded ends that holds the end pieces together. I tried Vetterman but he's still not home from LOE. Thanks! Mark do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:47 AM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" 8 db is significant! Every 3 db increase or decrease represents a doubling or halving of the acoustic energy. Randy Lervold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" > > I don't ahve any experience with these guys but I do know that Larry > Vetterman is working on a muffler exhaust system right now and it should be > ready any time now. He says it will lower the noise level by about 8db. > You may want to give him a call. > > Mike Robertson > > >From: "Paul Eckenroth" > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies > >Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:00:39 -0400 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Eckenroth" > > > >In an effort to build a RV that I can live with noise wise I was planning > >to use the RV with muffler exhaust as shown here. > >http://www.aircraftexhaust.net/rv_exhaust.html > > > >However, other than viewing very limited information on the web site and > >talking to them at Oshkosh I know too little to actually make a purchase. > > > >So- does anyone have any experience with their products, especially the > >system with mufflers I will appreciate any comments. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Paul Eckenroth > >RV9A Finish > > > > > > Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:04 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: RV6A QB wing skins --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" I am finally getting ready to close my wings but in measuring prior to drilling the skin holes I found something of great concern to me. Looking at drawing 21 (w chg 14), I can see that the outboard skin now goes on top of the inboard skin and overlaps the inboard skin and the supporting rib below with its inboard side at station 63.5. Looking at drawing 10 (w chg 9), I can see that the outboard rib is reversed and the inboard side is at station 125.375. The distance between the two stations is 61.875'. With an additional .625" to cover the outboard rib and an additional .625" for the wingtip attachment extension provides a total span distance of 63.125". These are all verifyable by measurement and calculations and match the plans to the wings. The lower wing skins measure to 63.125" also. My issue of concern is that the skins provided are only 63" long. If I drill with proper edge distance for the rib at station 63.5, there will not be enough extension to properly mount the wingtips. If I drill for proper wingtip installation, I will end up with incorrect edge distance when attaching to the rib at station 63.5 or incorrect edge distance on the inboard edge of the skin itself. I am not comfortable with either of these compromises for this structure. Has anyone else experienced this? What did you do? I have sent a note to Van's asking for longer skins - no answer yet. Ralph Capen 90% done - 90% to go! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:16 PM PST US From: "Jim & Bev Cone" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim & Bev Cone" Larry Vetterman told me at the homecoming that he was working on a muffler system for RV's. If you don't need a system right away, it might be a good idea to wait for his system. He has a very good reputation for exhaust systems. Jim Cone 3-peat Offender ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:10 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England And it's about the minimum easily detected change in perceived loudness. (1 dB is the theoretical minimum for young healthy ears in a 'controlled environment'.) A 10 db change (a *10 or /10 change) is perceived as a doubling or halving of sound level. So... 8 dB is indeed significant both outside & inside the cockpit. I'll bet prop noise will be worse than engine noise if he can achieve that reduction. Charlie Randy Lervold wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > >8 db is significant! Every 3 db increase or decrease represents a doubling >or halving of the acoustic energy. > >Randy Lervold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Robertson" >To: >Subject: RE: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" >> >>I don't ahve any experience with these guys but I do know that Larry >>Vetterman is working on a muffler exhaust system right now and it should >> >> >be > > >>ready any time now. He says it will lower the noise level by about 8db. >>You may want to give him a call. >> >>Mike Robertson >> >> >> >>>From: "Paul Eckenroth" >>>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>To: >>>Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies >>>Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:00:39 -0400 >>> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Eckenroth" >>> >>>In an effort to build a RV that I can live with noise wise I was planning >>>to use the RV with muffler exhaust as shown here. >>>http://www.aircraftexhaust.net/rv_exhaust.html >>> >>>However, other than viewing very limited information on the web site and >>>talking to them at Oshkosh I know too little to actually make a purchase. >>> >>>So- does anyone have any experience with their products, especially the >>>system with mufflers I will appreciate any comments. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Paul Eckenroth >>>RV9A Finish >>> ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:36 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: RV-List: Dynon back order --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Has anyone received a Dynon unit recently? I ordered mine more than 2 months ago and so far all I have noticed is a large 4 digit number on my credit card bill from Vans. Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 140 hours Chicago/Louisville ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:24 PM PST US From: "Ken Simmons" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon back order --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" I just received mine last week. I ordered it the first week of August through SafeAir1. Ken DO NOT ARCHIVE ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jeff Dowling" >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > >Has anyone received a Dynon unit recently? I ordered mine more than 2 months ago and so far all I have noticed is a large 4 digit number on my credit card bill from Vans. > >Jeff Dowling >RV-6A, N915JD >140 hours >Chicago/Louisville > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:48 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Filling Oil Cooler --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" With no compression (after you remove a plug from each cylinder), the loads on the bearings are virtually nonexistant, so unless you're on a workout program or have time to spare, there really isn't much reason not to use the starter. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Filling Oil Cooler > --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > > In a message dated 10/17/04 9:23:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > jsflyrv@earthlink.net writes: > >> What is the difference in turning it over by hand or using the starter? >> >> Jerry >> >> > > Its easier on the starter to turn it over by hand! I am concerned that > the > unloaded starter may turn up too many RPM. If you can get oil pressure by > hand > it would be better, that's all. > > Dan > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:57 PM PST US From: "Bob 1" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Exhaust Technologies --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" > > 8 db is significant! Every 3 db increase or decrease represents a doubling > or halving of the acoustic energy. > > Randy Lervold ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ True, 8 db is significant in absolute terms. But, to be fair... 3 db is not a great difference to the human ear. If you're not paying careful attention, the difference can be missed. http://www2.sfu.ca/sonic-studio/handbook/Decibel.html Bob ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:33 PM PST US From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon back order --> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Jeff, I just got an email today from Dynon saying there is an 8 week backlog. Doug Preston BHM ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:01 PM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: Re: RV-List: Lowrance 2000C ?? Look at the new EKP-4 WOW ! --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) man, where do these prices come from? :-) i don't see it for that price anywhere a place it shows up in a dogpile search... -------------- Original message -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" > > If you are in the market for something like the Lowrance 2000, be sure to > compare the EKP-IV. At 1399$ it's the hands down winner in the larger screen > market GPS. This new unit from C-MAP has terrain mapping like a large Garmin > 296 and it can be configured to display horz. or vertical (landscape or > portrait) mode. Lends itself as a built-in dash/panel unit to. I got one if > you haven't guessed by now.... > > > > > > man, where do these prices come from? :-) i don't see it for that price anywhere a place it shows up in a dogpile search... -------------- Original message -------------- -- RV-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" If you are in the market for something like the Lowrance 2000, be sure to compare the EKP-IV. At 1399$ it's the hands down winner in the larger screen market GPS. This new unit from C-MAP has terrain mapping like a large Garmin 296 and it can be configured to display horz. or vertical (landscape or portrait) mode. Lends itself as a built-in dash/panel unit to. I got one if you haven't guessed by now.... of direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. .matronics.com/emaillists ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:26 PM PST US From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon back order --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Jeff Dowling wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > >Has anyone received a Dynon unit recently? I ordered mine more than 2 months ago and so far all I have noticed is a large 4 digit number on my credit card bill from Vans. > >Jeff Dowling >RV-6A, N915JD >140 hours >Chicago/Louisville > > > I ordered the D10A in June, Knowing it was going to be awhile as it was not even out yet. I got mine in late September. I got it through Wick's with a small discount and no billing to the credit card until it was shipped. It is wired up and seems to work great. I got the install kit from Stein- air with lots of extra crimp pins. Tnx Stein. I will be very happy with it. I just need the rest of the plane built around it now.. Phil in Litchfield, IL do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:09 PM PST US From: "Mike Comeaux" Subject: RV-List: GPS hook up --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Comeaux" Any body hook up a Lowrance 100 Airmap to a Digitrak AP? I recieved the NMEA/Adapter cable where does it connect to AP? Regards Mike Comeaux ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:29 PM PST US From: "William Davis" Subject: RV-List: tools --> RV-List message posted by: "William Davis" RV'ers, Because of a serious vision problem , I am having to give up RV building (and flying) . I am offering my collection of tools for sale. They have built 5 RV's and are what you really need to do the job. The collection is essentially the same as that listed in Avery's catalog (for 2K) with a few minor omissions and a lot of major additions. Extra stuff : Pneumatic squeezer with adjustable set holder 3 yokes for above, 3" ,2" ,and a 1" thin nose no-hole yoke 17 extra bucking bars pneumatic angle drill ( this one is old and leaks air but still works fine) big collection of 1/4-28 bits metal shrinker pneumatic pop rivet puller (in addition to the hand puller) rivet cutter #1 unibit 6 stop counter sink cages # 8 plate nut drill jig #30 & #40 strap duplicators swivel deburring tool angle meter Adel hand nibbler pneumatic nibbler Instrument hole punch (does both 3 1/8 and 2 1/4 holes) canopy skin flanging tool Parker tubing flaring tool Imperial 1/4" tubing bender Ridgid 3/8" tubing bender These are top quality and do not deform or mark the tubing like the cheap ones. 6" throatless bench shear 4" Beverly bench shear 1/4, 3/8, & 1/2 Aeroquip hose mandrels 3 toggle clamps extra straight tin snips 24" box & pan brake Craftsman 2.4 Amp Industrial die grinder (1/4" collet chuck) Tubing cutter #8 rivnut puller All for$2K Please reply off list if interested. I would very much prefer to sell this to a Florida builder just starting out as shipping would be a real problem for me Oh yes, do not archive Bill ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:12 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: tools --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan William Davis wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "William Davis" > > > RV'ers, > > Because of a serious vision problem , I am having to give up RV > building (and flying) . I am offering my collection of tools for > sale. They have built 5 RV's and are what you really need to do the > job. Bill, so sorry to hear of the vision problem that is requiring you to retire from RVing. Many thanks for the wonderful contributions you have made to our corner of aviation. By the way, your uEncoder is still going strong. :-) Best wishes for whatever endeavors you decide to pursue, Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:35 PM PST US From: Scott Vanartsdalen Subject: Re: RV-List: Lowrance 2000C ?? Look at the new EKP-4 WOW ! --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen Maybe a show price? I counldn't find it for that price either. lucky wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) man, where do these prices come from? :-) i don't see it for that price anywhere a place it shows up in a dogpile search... -------------- Original message -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" > > If you are in the market for something like the Lowrance 2000, be sure to > compare the EKP-IV. At 1399$ it's the hands down winner in the larger screen > market GPS. This new unit from C-MAP has terrain mapping like a large Garmin > 296 and it can be configured to display horz. or vertical (landscape or > portrait) mode. Lends itself as a built-in dash/panel unit to. I got one if > you haven't guessed by now.... > > > > > > man, where do these prices come from? :-) i don't see it for that price anywhere a place it shows up in a dogpile search... -------------- Original message -------------- -- RV-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" If you are in the market for something like the Lowrance 2000, be sure to compare the EKP-IV. At 1399$ it's the hands down winner in the larger screen market GPS. This new unit from C-MAP has terrain mapping like a large Garmin 296 and it can be configured to display horz. or vertical (landscape or portrait) mode. Lends itself as a built-in dash/panel unit to. I got one if you haven't guessed by now.... of direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. .matronics.com/emaillists -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! When a man does all he can though it succeeds not well, blame not him that did it." -- George Washington ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:47 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS hook up --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Mike Comeaux wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Comeaux" > > Any body hook up a Lowrance 100 Airmap to a Digitrak AP? > I recieved the NMEA/Adapter cable where does it connect to > AP? Mike, I have an Airmap 100 driving an EZ-Pilot, and the hookup should be the same with the DigiTrak. Take a look at page two of the DigiTrak manual: http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/Digitrakinstall.pdf P101, pin 3 is the serial data input on the DigiTrak. Now check out the Airmap 100 manual, page 59: http://www.lowrance.com/Manuals/Files/AM100_0145-63.pdf The white wire in the optional power/data cable is the one that feeds NMEA data to P101, pin 3 of the DigiTrak. Follow the Airmap instructions for activating NMEA data transmission and you should be good to go. Here is one source for the cable: http://www.tropicaero.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.show_product_detail&mcid=65&pid=397 Enjoy your new autopilot! Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:08 PM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RV-List: FYI Questions answered about GRT EFIS - VERY LONG --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" I sent Todd at GRT a lot of questions and he not only answered but called to discuss my lack of knowledge ;o( which I greatly appreciated. I thought that I might share my lessons with the list in case anyone was afraid of asking dumb questions. I may have missed something pertinent so please feel free to point it out. In general, I was very impressed with their openness and apparent sincerity. Customer service with these kind of systems is very important and 100% dependent on the individuals who own/operate the company. Also, I am under the impression that there are few problems with the GRT systems. Would be interested in hearing good or bad stories. Couple of interesting notes. GRTs panel displays and AHRS are independent of each other. I am looking at the two display single AHRS version with the EIS 4000 engine monitor and this is kinda important to me. If you lose the AHRS, you still have AS, ALT, and Dg on the display because they are independent of the AHRS. The GPS drives both displays so loss of the AHRS or either display still leaves the GPS and one display intact. Since you would be using one in place of a nav head or HSI, it is good to know that loss of the AHRS still leaves the nav heads functional which could still leave you an ILS LOC option. Not sure about the primary AI flight display . Highway in the Sky information is derived from the GPS and BARO information and operates independently of the VOR. Vertical guidance is a function of the altimeter and GPS. HITS can be turned off or on while using HSI display for ILS approaches. Although they don't have true synthetic vision in the PFD display they do show airports which could be very helpful even for VFR approaches. They will have terrain in MAP mode. Unlike most other small display EFIS systems, theirs allows for split screen so that you can get PFD/HSI PFD/MAP PFD/Engine Monitor and other various combinations on a single display. Since the display is not dependent on the AHRS, you would still have a lot of functionality even with the AHRS down. Answers to the questions below are indicated with a >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Schlatterer [mailto:billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net] Subject: And more Questions for GRT Todd, just another series of never ending questions. Now that I am thinking seriously about the dual GRTs,(single AD computer) a lot of things pop to mind,... what little I have left :o). These are hair splitting but unless you are there flying the system, there is no way for me to know without asking. Does the GNS430 just provide info to your display which you format or does it display just like the 430? >>>> Most GPS systems only send data elements and are remapped to the display. GRT remaps the GPS data stream so it may not look like the GNS430. If I choose your GPS as an option, can I display it on the #1 screen and data from the GNS430 on the #2 at the same time. In other words, can I use the #1 monitor for your GPS and the #2 for the 430 coupled to the AP for IFR approaches? >>>> YES Will they both display traffic data from the GTX330 at the same time? Will there be any extra cost to upgrade or is this just a planned enhancement that comes with the normal upgrade process? >>>> Missed that one! Probably a stupid question but I am assuming that since there is only one AHRS computer, what happens if you choose the same screen on both monitors at the same time. I would assume that all changes mirrored on the other. For instance, lets say that I have the PFD and MAP on #1 in split screen mode and the MAP on #2 in full screen mode. If I am adjusting the map view on #1, what is happening on #2? >>>> Screens are independent so that with only one GPS, you can mess with one while your passenger doodles with the other as long as you don't change the baro. The views are independent but changes like BARO are mirrored. Heading changes using the bug would be mirrored but the views would not. I take this to mean that all of the views are independent but corrective actions/changes are mirrored. Another dumb one, but I assume that if we lose the AHRS computer, we lose EFIS on both screens but would you still get things like altitude, Airspeed, heading, etc that are basically mechanical reporting processes. What happens to reporting from the EIS which also gives altitude and airspeed? Assuming the displays are still up but the AHRS is down, what is left? >>>> Displays are independent of AHRS. Loss of AHRS still leaves basic AS, ALT, and DG functions as long as displays are powered up. GPS would continue to work and HSI functions driven by VOR/LOC would still work. What happens to the display of the GPS if you loose the AHRS computer? Does the world just go dark or is there some residual things that would come from elsewhere like the EIS. >>>> see above Will the terrain display in map mode look like the terrain display you see on the Garmin 296. It appears to have features, in color, and look something like a chart? When will it be available? >>>> Roughly will look like that, available 05 at no charge I understand that your GPS will not be approach certified but when will it have the approaches included as a VFR reference? >>>> Yes 05 also no charge Assuming that I have the GNS 430 and a Tru-Trak Digi IIVS which should handle vertical speed descents, will I be able to couple the AP and have it fly the whole approach including the ILS descent while showing the needles and HITS for reference? >>>> Yes but vertical descent on the II VS is not vertical guidance. Vertical Guidance would need the II VSG. What would the difference be using your GPS instead of the 430? At what point would I have to take over using your GPS compared to the 430. Let's just assume it's a hazy day and either would be legal to fly? >>> our GPS not IFR certified but will take you to the final approach fix/course. Is the ARNIC 429 adapter needed for the GNS 430 or SL30 and is it extra or included in the base price $8995? >>>> The ARNIC 429 is not needed with the SL30 but is for the GNS430. Any use of vertical guidance will require the ARNIC 429 adapter and is extra. The materials says that this also enables GPSS steering with the Tru-Track but GPSS steering is an option with Tru-Trak as well. Are you saying that you don't need the GPSS steering option from Tru-Trak and that your GPS plus the ARINC 429 adapter will provide GPSS steering ability with the TT? >>>> Their system anticipates the turns and reduces the need for GPSS steering. If I understood the answer, they don't think you need it unless you are wanting real close vertical guidance and then you need VGPSS. Fuzzy question ;o( When using the system coupled with a vertical speed autopilot Digi II VS, do you get audible altitude alerts at selected altitudes,... 100 to go, etc?? >>>> forgot the answer ;o(. Where does your database come from and what is the cost? >>>> their database comes from the same government data used in the Jep database but does not include approach info yet. There is no charge but it is only updated annually, maybe changing to quarterly. What happens if you guys go away next year ?? Where will I get my DB update from? >>> We would assume that the company would not go out of business but could be sold. Obviously the buyer would be interested in keeping up the customer base so it is doubtful that there would be any interruption. Also we have sold some 12,000 EIS units and continue to support them and that is a continuing revenue stream. Todd says that they predicated their business model on sales of 60 units per year and are booking at an annual rate of about 300 per year at this point. They have about 60 systems flying and hear very little negative from any of them. (not sure how you would know but we don't see much negative on the lists) Thanks Bill S 7a Fuse/Panel Bill Schlatterer 501 851 0310 Maumelle, Arkansas ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:05 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat Muff Parts --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 10/18/2004 11:03:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Fiveonepw@aol.com writes: Anyone know where to get replacement parts for the heat muff Vetterman sends with his standard crossover systems? I lost one of the rods with the threaded ends that holds the end pieces together. I tried Vetterman but he's still not home from LOE. ======================================== The ones supplied with the Vetterman exhausts were manufactured by Rick Robbins. His contact info is in the Yeller Pages. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 719 hrs)