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1. 01:52 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 ()
2. 04:16 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 (Dana Overall)
3. 06:27 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu (RV_8 Pilot)
4. 06:33 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu (Sam Buchanan)
5. 07:26 AM - Re: FW: Mounting of Bendix Fuel Servo (Jeff Dowling)
6. 07:45 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu (Jeff Dowling)
7. 07:52 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu (Jeff Dowling)
8. 07:58 AM - Re: Really Great Pumpkin Festival & Fly-In (Andrew Douglas)
9. 08:02 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu (Scott Jackson)
10. 08:54 AM - Re: FADEC (Donald Mei)
11. 08:54 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu (Dan Checkoway)
12. 09:44 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu (James H Nelson)
13. 09:53 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu (Larry Pardue)
14. 09:56 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 (Mickey Coggins)
15. 10:11 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
16. 10:22 AM - Re: Heat Muff Parts (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
17. 10:46 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu (Bill VonDane)
18. 10:52 AM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 (g meter) (Ken Simmons)
19. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: FADEC (Mike Draper)
20. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: FADEC (Marty)
21. 12:17 PM - Tail Lynx tailwheel springs (BrooksRV6@webtv.net (Chris Brooks))
22. 02:06 PM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 (g meter) (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
23. 02:06 PM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 (g meter) (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
24. 02:06 PM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 (g meter) (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
25. 06:03 PM - Re: Review of Dynon D-10 (thomas a. sargent)
26. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: FADEC (Tracy Crook)
27. 07:10 PM - Re: Plastic Fitting/Tubing Caps? (Charlie Kuss)
28. 07:35 PM - Re: Heat Muff Parts (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
29. 09:00 PM - Excessive Play in Manual Elevator Trim (Tony Marshall)
30. 10:54 PM - Re: Excessive Play in Manual Elevator Trim (steve zicree)
31. 10:54 PM - Re: Excessive Play in Manual Elevator Trim (steve zicree)
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
> Again, I didn't mean to say the Dynon is a bad idea, I just think that an
> attitude instrument should be a bit more robust. Suppose you bought an
R.C.
> Allen electric gyro and found that it lied by 10 degrees in pitch and/or
> bank whenever it felt like it. I think most of us would take it back and
> bitch up a storm if they didn't take care of it. Bear in mind that the
Dynon
> website and other advertising makes no mention of these problems even
though
> they seem to be fairly common. You're 100% right about proper scan
technique
> and having backups, but I want an attitude indicator to possibly save my
> butt if for some crazy unforeseen reason I fly into IMC. Now many will say
> that there's no excuse for a VFR pilot doing that, but we all know it
> happens to people all the time and I refuse to believe that they're all
> idiots. For my intended use, I'm just trying to decide whether a Dynon
makes
> sense, or should I spend the money on a good electric gyro. I guess I sort
> of look at it like a fire extinguisher; unlikely I'll need it, but if I
do,
> I want it to work perfectly.
>
I have to agree with Steve on this. I'm a 1900+ hour VFR pilot; and, I have
a full set of flight instruments in my RV, just in case. I've wandered too
close and have gotten into light IMC. I've used those instruments to do the
all important 180 degree turn to safety. I want my instruments to work.
However, I must admit that I have one vacuum system instrument that seems to
fail regularly. The old DG. Then, there's that pesky vacuum pump that
tends to fail a lot. I'm thinking about getting the Dynon because of those
two things. It doesn't have to work flawlessly for me. It does have to
work well enough to save my bacon. One never knows when one is going to fly
into a cloud at night during VFR operations.
For once, Dana Overall and I agreed on one thing. I plan to install the
Dynon and have a ASI and Altimeter as backups. Those are basic instruments
required for flight, anyway. I also intend to install an autopilot to pair
up with the Dynon. That way, I can use the autopilot to do the reverse turn
as I watch the instruments. By doing that, I'll eliminate several gauges
and instruments that I use sparingly, anyway. The cost then becomes a wash.
If the Dynon fails, I can still fly because I have the basic instruments for
VFR flight.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317 (Doing the wings; Nov 29 ship week on fuse)
EAA Tech Counselor
EAA Flight Advisor
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>From: <sears@searnet.com>
>For once, Dana Overall and I agreed on one thing. I plan to install the
>Dynon and have a ASI and Altimeter as backups. Those are basic instruments
>required for flight, anyway. I also intend to install an autopilot to pair
>up with the Dynon. That way, I can use the autopilot to do the reverse
>turn
>as I watch the instruments. By doing that, I'll eliminate several gauges
>and instruments that I use sparingly, anyway. The cost then becomes a
>wash.
>If the Dynon fails, I can still fly because I have the basic instruments
>for
>VFR flight.
>
With Jim on this one:-) For those who have seen my panel layout and
schematics know the importance of multiple options. I for one, feels the
Dynon "issue" will be something they can work out. Remember, Dynon, as
opposed to Blue Mountain delayed the presentation of the unit to the market
until they thought they had it. Turns out, as is usual, a problem exist
which appears to be a software blip. I'm hanging with them and plan on
"Black Magic" IFR.
Side note..............Jim I'll give you a shout in a week or so and drop
by. See ya bud.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
I too thought the vsi and G-meter indications were too small at first.
After 30-40 hrs, it's less of an issue and I now find them useful.
I've had no drift problems at all. Horizon has worked 100% of the time.
Although I have "grayed it out" with acro (spins), it has never lost it's
relation to the horizon that I have ever noticed.
The mag compass calibration (in the old units) is a mjor pain. I use GPS
for headings. It's just fine 99% of the time. On those occasions when I
encounter a 30+ kt crosswind, I'll let ATC worry about the tracking
correction.
2
Bryan Jones
>Bob,
>
>Thanks so much for the objective review. My primary reason for wanting the
>Dynon is for a horizon in case of accidental flight into IMC, but based on
>the errors I've read about it seems to be a bit unreliable. I also love
>acro
>flight so I wanted the g-meter, but you say it's too small to use. Let me
>ask you, if you could do it over would an electric horizon gyro do the
>trick
>instead?
>
>Steve Zicree
>
>
> >
> > Airspeed and Altitude works very well, but I have a RMI MicroEncoder and
> > use that for AS, ALT and VSI. Dynon is hard to read and impossible for
>me
> > to find the VSI when inverted, numbers are too small.
> >
> > Turn and Bank indicator. I do understand how in theory this is suppose
>to
> > work, I have yet been able to functionally use it, it seems way too
> > sensitive or maybe the RV is way too sensitive.
> >
> > Artificial Horizon. Really cool when it works (which is 97% of the
>time),
> > but I have had it drift off during long cross countries. If I had been
>in
> > the clouds I would have been in a slow turn. Occasionally it has been
>off
> > as much as 10 degrees. I do not have sufficient confidence in it to use
>it
> > in IMC.
> >
> > Magnetic heading, I did install the remote sensor, and that was a real
> > pain. I have yet to get a laptop computer to do all of the calibration
>( I
> > could borrow one, but coordinating the loan of the computer, the weather
> > and when I am available is too hard to do). So I do not use the heading
> > indicator. Anyway, I doubt it would be as accurate as the GPS. I can
>not
> > believe what a painful process calibrating the magnetic system is. You
> > must download info from the web and a program from Dynon and then
>connect
> > your computer/laptop to the Dynon and download to it. Pretty easy if
>you
> > have access to a laptop and know what you are doing, for me it is not
>worth
> > the effort. Also if you don't know your geographic DIP angle, go search
> > the WWW.
> >
> > G-Meter. Works ok, but too small to be seen during acrobatics. I do
>have
> > a normal G-meter and use it for Akro.
> >
> > Volt meter. Works well but it is also duplicated on my Grand Rapids
> > Technologies Engine Monitor. I do not use the volt meter on the DYNON.
> >
> > Visual tapes for Airspeed and Altimeter. Really neat, easy to convince
>FAA
> > inspector that I have placarded the Airspeeds as required, but in
>reality
>I
> > have never looked at it inflight.
> >
> > Clock, I like this feature best, I use it for flight time for my pilot
> > logbook. Engine monitor records all engine and airframe time. In my
>case
> > I basically have a $2000 digital clock, the only thing on the Dynon that
>I
> > routinely use in flight.
> >
> > Reliability. Absolutely no problems with this unit at all.
> >
> > I have thought about adding the AOA, but I wouldn't use it. I know this
> > has been debated off and on, but I know my RV well enough to tell what
>the
> > AOA is without the instrument. If I flew underpowered and over gross,
>out
> > of short grass strips with the 50 foot tree, I would have more desire
>for
> > an accurate AOA instrument. I consider my RV very light and overpowered
> > and most of my flying is out of a 150 foot by 7000 foot paved runway.
> >
> > Overall it is a real neat fun gadget. I love the way you can dim it at
> > night, too cool. But, I bought the system hoping that I could eliminate
> > conventional gyros for IFR flight. Because it does drift, I do not have
> > any confidence in it for IMC. In my case the MicroEncoder makes the
> > Dynon totally superfluous for VFR flight. Bottom line, if it ever
>breaks
> > or fails, I will probably not fix it or replace in kind!
> >
> > Recommendations:
> > 1. As the only VFR flight instrument, highly recommend.
> > 2. If you need backup VFR or IFR instruments, highly recommend.
> > 3. If you use it as primary IFR instruments, without back up, do not
> > recommend.
> > 4. If you want to impress all of your buddies with Gee Whiz, High
>Speed,
> > Teflon Coated instrument, highly recommend.
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
steve zicree wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>
> Again, I didn't mean to say the Dynon is a bad idea, I just think that an
> attitude instrument should be a bit more robust. Suppose you bought an R.C.
> Allen electric gyro and found that it lied by 10 degrees in pitch and/or
> bank whenever it felt like it. I think most of us would take it back and
> bitch up a storm if they didn't take care of it. Bear in mind that the Dynon
> website and other advertising makes no mention of these problems even though
> they seem to be fairly common. You're 100% right about proper scan technique
> and having backups, but I want an attitude indicator to possibly save my
> butt if for some crazy unforeseen reason I fly into IMC. Now many will say
> that there's no excuse for a VFR pilot doing that, but we all know it
> happens to people all the time and I refuse to believe that they're all
> idiots. For my intended use, I'm just trying to decide whether a Dynon makes
> sense, or should I spend the money on a good electric gyro. I guess I sort
> of look at it like a fire extinguisher; unlikely I'll need it, but if I do,
> I want it to work perfectly.
Steve, in my opinion, if you want the absolute best means of escaping
inadvertent flight into IMC (you gotta be flying in some really sorry
weather for this to happen in daylight) your money should be spent on an
autopilot with altitude hold.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Mounting of Bendix Fuel Servo |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I have a bendix fi mounted to the bottom of my sump. I dont have any
pictures though. Is this what you are looking for when you say vertical
mount?
Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
140 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Emrath" <emrath@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: FW: Mounting of Bendix Fuel Servo
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" <emrath@comcast.net>
>
> I'm reposting my reply from the other day because I've not received a
> response to this. Surely someone has "gone there" before me and could
> answer some of my questions.......please. If you have this set up and
> don't
> have pictures, please email me your phone number and I'll call you.
> Do not archive
> Marty
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emrath [mailto:emrath@comcast.net]
> To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: Mounting of Bendix Fuel Servo
>
>
> Does anyone have some pictures of their Vertical mounting of a Bendix F.I.
> Servo on the bottom of the sump as well as some shots of how they did
> their
> FAB? Could also use some picture of the fuel line runs, from firewall to
> engine pump, to fuel servo to distributor (mine is already mounted and
> lines
> to cylinders installed. I am finally to that point and could use a few
> pictures, as they are worth a thousand words. Thanks, just sent them
> directly to me or point me to a web site.
>
> Marty in Brentwood TN
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
slightly off subject but....
you mentioned a vfr pilot going into imc. If you are an ifr rated pilot and
are not current, thats one thing. If you are strictly a vfr pilot, dont
pull a Kennedy. Stay out of the soup, with or without the dynon or any
other ai. Its too easy to lose it in there, ecspecially in an rv.
do not archive
Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
140 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
> --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>
> Again, I didn't mean to say the Dynon is a bad idea, I just think that an
> attitude instrument should be a bit more robust. Suppose you bought an
> R.C.
> Allen electric gyro and found that it lied by 10 degrees in pitch and/or
> bank whenever it felt like it. I think most of us would take it back and
> bitch up a storm if they didn't take care of it. Bear in mind that the
> Dynon
> website and other advertising makes no mention of these problems even
> though
> they seem to be fairly common. You're 100% right about proper scan
> technique
> and having backups, but I want an attitude indicator to possibly save my
> butt if for some crazy unforeseen reason I fly into IMC. Now many will say
> that there's no excuse for a VFR pilot doing that, but we all know it
> happens to people all the time and I refuse to believe that they're all
> idiots. For my intended use, I'm just trying to decide whether a Dynon
> makes
> sense, or should I spend the money on a good electric gyro. I guess I sort
> of look at it like a fire extinguisher; unlikely I'll need it, but if I
> do,
> I want it to work perfectly.
>
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>>
>> steve zicree wrote:
>> > --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>> >
>> > I was real excited about the Dynon for my 4 until I started reading
> about
>> > attitude errors. Now I'm beginning to rethink. Let's face it, the whole
> idea
>> > of having the artificial horizon is to take over when our senses fail.
> If
>> > it's no more reliable than my inner ear, then why would I buy it?
> Imagine
>> > being in hard IMC and not knowing for sure if your indicated bank was
> off by
>> > 10 degrees!
>>
>> This reminds me of a conversation I had with one of the more vocal
>> reporters of Dynon's glitches. He also stated the concerns you have but
>> I reminded him that having an EFIS does not relieve the pilot of
>> maintaining a proper instrument scan!!!!!!!
>>
>> When I have seen my Dynon leaning about five degrees, a quick glance at
>> the heading tape instantly told me whether the AHRS was having a bad day
>> or the plane was actually banking. If the horizon tilts a little and the
>> heading tape is stable, it is an AHRS error. If the heading tape is
>> gradually scrolling the same direction, the AHRS is correct and the
>> plane is turning. If the heading tape is scrolling the opposite
>> direction...........it is time to check the backup instruments!
>>
>> Having a fancy piece of glass in the panel doesn't mean that we now can
>> become zombies with no situational awareness. *ALL* the indications in
>> the EFIS display need to be constantly compared to make sure nothing
>> crazy in happening in the electronics. This means airspeed is compared
>> to VSI and altitude, and heading is compared to the horizon......all the
>> time!
>>
>> The individual with whom I had the conversation admitted he had never
>> considered the need to scan the various components of the Dynon in order
>> to sort out possible errors.
>>
>> Compound this situation with the fact that while this is
>> > happening your senses are telling you stuff that may or may not agree
> with
>> > the Dynon. The errors I've read of have occured in VMC, so the pilot
> seemed
>> > pretty relaxed about the situation. Had they occured in the soup, the
> pilot
>> > might not have even known about it,
>>
>> Not if a proper scan was used! And if in IMC, the backup instruments
>> better be in the scan, too.
>>
>> An EFIS means the pilot has to be a smarter pilot, not a lazier
>> pilot.........the ground is just as hard and unforgiving regardless of
>> what kind of instruments grace the panel.
>>
>> Rant off............
>>
>> Sam Buchanan
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Since were on the subject of wandering horizons, my vacuum horizon will
wander 5 to 20 degrees of bank after medium rate turns. Im sending it back
to get it checked out. Even just a couple of bumps will have it pointing 5
degrees left. Ive enlongated the mounting holes to make sure it wasnt
mounted incorrectly and have adjusted it in flight using the horizon for
wings level. It still tends to hang in a 5 degree bank. Im guessing this
is a little out of the ordinary, or am I asking too much for a vacuum unit?
I wont fly in IMC with it like this.
Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
140 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> steve zicree wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>>
>> Again, I didn't mean to say the Dynon is a bad idea, I just think that an
>> attitude instrument should be a bit more robust. Suppose you bought an
>> R.C.
>> Allen electric gyro and found that it lied by 10 degrees in pitch and/or
>> bank whenever it felt like it. I think most of us would take it back and
>> bitch up a storm if they didn't take care of it. Bear in mind that the
>> Dynon
>> website and other advertising makes no mention of these problems even
>> though
>> they seem to be fairly common. You're 100% right about proper scan
>> technique
>> and having backups, but I want an attitude indicator to possibly save my
>> butt if for some crazy unforeseen reason I fly into IMC. Now many will
>> say
>> that there's no excuse for a VFR pilot doing that, but we all know it
>> happens to people all the time and I refuse to believe that they're all
>> idiots. For my intended use, I'm just trying to decide whether a Dynon
>> makes
>> sense, or should I spend the money on a good electric gyro. I guess I
>> sort
>> of look at it like a fire extinguisher; unlikely I'll need it, but if I
>> do,
>> I want it to work perfectly.
>
>
> Steve, in my opinion, if you want the absolute best means of escaping
> inadvertent flight into IMC (you gotta be flying in some really sorry
> weather for this to happen in daylight) your money should be spent on an
> autopilot with altitude hold.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Really Great Pumpkin Festival & Fly-In |
--> RV-List message posted by: Andrew Douglas <adouglas@optonline.net>
Is anyone going to this from the Connecticut area (or passing through on the
way) who might be willing to take a passenger? I live in Bridgeport (KBDR).
Will gladly share expenses.
Feel free to contact me offlist... adouglas@optonline.net.
-----------------------------------------------------
Andrew Douglas
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
If it's just all-round sluggish in addition to these symptoms, I would think
the problem would be volume of airflow going through might be too low to get
the gyro spinning sufficiently to maintain the all-important "rigidity in
space".
Perhaps a hose is kinked somewhere, or the air filter is restricted, even
the exhaust from the vacuum pump?
SCott in VAncouver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
> Since were on the subject of wandering horizons, my vacuum horizon will
> wander 5 to 20 degrees of bank after medium rate turns. Im sending it
> back
> to get it checked out. Even just a couple of bumps will have it pointing
> 5
> degrees left. Ive enlongated the mounting holes to make sure it wasnt
> mounted incorrectly and have adjusted it in flight using the horizon for
> wings level. It still tends to hang in a 5 degree bank. Im guessing this
> is a little out of the ordinary, or am I asking too much for a vacuum
> unit?
> I wont fly in IMC with it like this.
>
> Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A, N915JD
> 140 hours
> Chicago/Louisville
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>>
>> steve zicree wrote:
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>>>
>>> Again, I didn't mean to say the Dynon is a bad idea, I just think that
>>> an
>>> attitude instrument should be a bit more robust. Suppose you bought an
>>> R.C.
>>> Allen electric gyro and found that it lied by 10 degrees in pitch and/or
>>> bank whenever it felt like it. I think most of us would take it back and
>>> bitch up a storm if they didn't take care of it. Bear in mind that the
>>> Dynon
>>> website and other advertising makes no mention of these problems even
>>> though
>>> they seem to be fairly common. You're 100% right about proper scan
>>> technique
>>> and having backups, but I want an attitude indicator to possibly save my
>>> butt if for some crazy unforeseen reason I fly into IMC. Now many will
>>> say
>>> that there's no excuse for a VFR pilot doing that, but we all know it
>>> happens to people all the time and I refuse to believe that they're all
>>> idiots. For my intended use, I'm just trying to decide whether a Dynon
>>> makes
>>> sense, or should I spend the money on a good electric gyro. I guess I
>>> sort
>>> of look at it like a fire extinguisher; unlikely I'll need it, but if I
>>> do,
>>> I want it to work perfectly.
>>
>>
>> Steve, in my opinion, if you want the absolute best means of escaping
>> inadvertent flight into IMC (you gotta be flying in some really sorry
>> weather for this to happen in daylight) your money should be spent on an
>> autopilot with altitude hold.
>>
>> Sam Buchanan
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Hmm. Is FADEC worth it. Like several have said it depends on the cost.
For $5K, I'd venture its not. For $1500, I'd say so. But thats just my
sense of value, yours may differ.
Someone mentioned the fact that you lose control of the mixture. Then
someone else made the (factual) observation that at low MP, it runs lean of
peak. Thats great, but because Aerosance FADEC was designed for
certification, it is unnecessarily, bulky, heavy, and most importantly, it
is not tunable.
One other thought. We need to differentiate between Aerosance/Continental
FADEC and the generic concept of Electronic Engine Management (EEM).
As far as EEM goes, I can say unequivocally that it is worth it. Take a
look at the venerable small block chevy. You can take a GM Crate motor and
equip it with modern EEM and it runs as smoothly, effortlessly, and cleanly
as a new Gen 3 corvette engine, or any other car engine for that matter.
The difference is really night and day.
90% of what makes an engine "modern" has to do with fuel and ignition
control.
With EEM you can build a matrix of where for every known MP and RPM, a given
Air:Fuel ratio and Ignition Advance setting is used.
This allows the user to "tweak" the mixture to his heart's content. He just
doesn't have to remember to do it while flying.
Many of these systems have an auto-learn function to get you to a 90% map
right away. Then the user can tweak the map as desired.
They also automatically compensate for temp. Either by measuring the air's
mass (a MAF system) which by its nature automatically compensates or by
measuring the manifold absolute pressure and temp separately (a MAP system).
Also, most have some type of detonation failsafe system that pulls timing
when detonation is detected.
FINALLY, most also include data loggers, so after flying, you can review
your A:F ratios, detonation events, etc in the comfort of your home.
Bottom line is that an EEM system can allow MORE control over your engine
than our traditional controls.
As a reference, take a look at this link. This is for a system commonly
used by Subaru tuners. It is very tunable, but also user friendly.
http://www.elementtuning.com/technical/element_ems.htm
Now we just need someone who is forward thinking like Theilert to come up
with a system like this for us.
Best regards,
Don Mei
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> I too thought the vsi and G-meter indications were too small at first.
> After 30-40 hrs, it's less of an issue and I now find them useful.
I personally think the Dynon D10's VSI display is absolutely useless.
But.....
I've opened my mind slightly (just slightly) and have realized that even
more useful than a VSI display is the altitude band -- all you gotta do is
see how fast it's moving in one direction or the other, and you've got your
VSI. You've got numbers and ticks scrolling by at some speed...that's your
VSI. And unlike a steam gauge, it's not unwinding or winding, it's moving
UP or DOWN. Pretty clear.
Now for precision climbs and descents, I would really like it if the D10 had
a real trend bar...so I could pinpoint 750 or 1000 fpm or whatever. But in
reality, any decent pilot should be able to hold a constant vertical speed
by reference to holding a constant airspeed, power setting, and
attitude...the VSI is really only there as a cross check...in which case the
numeric display is all you need.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Steve,
Have you looked at Grand Rapids Technology and their EFIS. Its
more expensive but uses top of the line laser gyro's like the
professional EFIS units use. I'm going that way.
Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>> I too thought the vsi and G-meter indications were too small at first.
>> After 30-40 hrs, it's less of an issue and I now find them useful.
>
> I personally think the Dynon D10's VSI display is absolutely useless.
> But.....
>
I don't think the VSI is so bad but do think the g-meter is useless, not so
much because of the size but because it is digital. This is exactly the
kind of function where analog is about 10 times better. It can be quickly
changing and you need to be able to interpret it at a glance. I haven't
even been able to train myself to easily use the digital altitude on my
MicroEncoder. Any digital display requires mental calculation. Sometimes
that is relatively easy and sometimes not.
Anyone who doesn't agree with this, I would suggest, should consider a
digital attitude indicator. It would certainly be easier for Dynon to
display pitch and bank digitally. We would just have + or - number for
pitch and a + or - number for bank. Just try to fly with it though.
I think the Dyon is potentially great and don't argue with them giving the
pilot the option to display some things that are not that useful. It is
easy for them to do and some pilots may like all that stuff. Personally I
think with everything turned on it is a cluttered mess in a very small area.
I use the heading, attitude and turn and bank functions and have the
airspeed turned on, with static to the cockpit, for a backup. Everything
else that can be turned off, is.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
A lot of the complaints on the D-10 seem to be
addressed on the BMA EFIS/Lite, and it only
costs a few hundred more. Does anyone flying
with the BMA EFIS/Lite have any comments?
>Now for precision climbs and descents, I would really like it if the D10 had
>a real trend bar...so I could pinpoint 750 or 1000 fpm or whatever. But in
>reality, any decent pilot should be able to hold a constant vertical speed
>by reference to holding a constant airspeed, power setting, and
>attitude...the VSI is really only there as a cross check...in which case the
>numeric display is all you need.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
And on a somewhat related note...
I am using PCFlightSystems EFIS/NavGPS running on a couple of Dell Axim X5s
in my panel and have largely seen no errors whatsoever in the attitude display.
About the only way to get an innacurate horizon is after 2 full standard
rate turns (resulting in about 3-5 degress tilt), which corrects itself after a
few minutes. I'm strictly day/nite VFR, but having watched this little toy for
120 hours so far with no failures or "bad attitude" in normal flight, I'm
wondering how a relatively expensive purpose-designed instrument can be so
apparently prone to occasional error. Combined with the gyro-driven TC display
on
my Navaid, the heading indicator display (also on both PDAs), a compass,
altimeter and a/s indicator, I'm reasonably confident I could execute a decent
180
and get back to safer skies.
Is anybody else using these kind of "toys" including the Anywhere Map system
and seeing the kind of errors folks are reporting on the Dynon?
Just curious at The PossumWorks in TN
Mark Phillips - do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Heat Muff Parts |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
I contacted Rick Robbins and he has a couple in the mail to me- Customer
Service doesn't get any better than that! Thanks Rick!
Mark Phillips - do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I will have the Blue Mountain Sport w/two axis autopilot sometime in
November, and hopefully be flying it sometime soon after that... I am going
to be writing an article for kitplanes magazine on the installation, and
then doing some detailed flight testing... From what I have gotten out of
the conversation with Greg at BM, the Lite, Sport, One G3 models are all new
and should be awesome units...
Stay tuned for more info!
-Bill VonDane
Colorado Springs - RV-8A
www.rv8a.com
www.creativair.com/cva
www.epanelbuilder.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
And on a somewhat related note...
I am using PCFlightSystems EFIS/NavGPS running on a couple of Dell Axim X5s
in my panel and have largely seen no errors whatsoever in the attitude
display.
About the only way to get an innacurate horizon is after 2 full standard
rate turns (resulting in about 3-5 degress tilt), which corrects itself
after a
few minutes. I'm strictly day/nite VFR, but having watched this little toy
for
120 hours so far with no failures or "bad attitude" in normal flight, I'm
wondering how a relatively expensive purpose-designed instrument can be so
apparently prone to occasional error. Combined with the gyro-driven TC
display on
my Navaid, the heading indicator display (also on both PDAs), a compass,
altimeter and a/s indicator, I'm reasonably confident I could execute a
decent 180
and get back to safer skies.
Is anybody else using these kind of "toys" including the Anywhere Map system
and seeing the kind of errors folks are reporting on the Dynon?
Just curious at The PossumWorks in TN
Mark Phillips - do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 (g meter) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
I would certainly agree with Larry that the g meter on the Dynon is essentially
useless. I do have a Dynon so this is not idle bashing. I plan on having a separate
g meter (as well as a separate AOA) to compensate for this.
I do have to disagree on the statement that an analog g meter is 10 times better.
The digital presentation on the Dynon is not the problem. The problem is that
the reading is too small and too hard to pick out from the min and max readings.
I think your comparison of using a digital attitude indicator is the proverbial
apples/oranges comparison. An attitude indicator is a replacement for a visual
representation of the airplane's attitude. The g meter replaces your seat-of-the-pants
feel, not a visual reference. I don't think you have to do any "mental
calculation" when you look at a digital g meter and it says you're experiencing
2 g's.
I do think you have to train yourself to know when you're experincing 2 g's using
seat-of-the-pants or an analog meter. You will eventually get used to the fact
that the needle is in a certain spot when you're at 2 g's. Until you develop
that sense I think it takes a finite amount of time to realize what g you are
experiencing. If you're just interested in knowing if you're getting close
to a limit, then the analog meter would be superior if the limit is clearly marked
in reference to your actual g loading..
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>
>>> I too thought the vsi and G-meter indications were too small at first.
>>> After 30-40 hrs, it's less of an issue and I now find them useful.
>>
>> I personally think the Dynon D10's VSI display is absolutely useless.
>> But.....
>>
>
>I don't think the VSI is so bad but do think the g-meter is useless, not so
>much because of the size but because it is digital. This is exactly the
>kind of function where analog is about 10 times better. It can be quickly
>changing and you need to be able to interpret it at a glance. I haven't
>even been able to train myself to easily use the digital altitude on my
>MicroEncoder. Any digital display requires mental calculation. Sometimes
>that is relatively easy and sometimes not.
>
>Anyone who doesn't agree with this, I would suggest, should consider a
>digital attitude indicator. It would certainly be easier for Dynon to
>display pitch and bank digitally. We would just have + or - number for
>pitch and a + or - number for bank. Just try to fly with it though.
>
>I think the Dyon is potentially great and don't argue with them giving the
>pilot the option to display some things that are not that useful. It is
>easy for them to do and some pilots may like all that stuff. Personally I
>think with everything turned on it is a cluttered mess in a very small area.
>I use the heading, attitude and turn and bank functions and have the
>airspeed turned on, with static to the cockpit, for a backup. Everything
>else that can be turned off, is.
>
>Larry Pardue
>Carlsbad, NM
>
>RV-6 N441LP Flying
>http://n5lp.net
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mike Draper <rv8tor@gmail.com>
As soon as you start to consider a fuel injection system with
electronic ignition, going with FADEC is a non decision.
Take for example Mattituck TMX engines
$18,490 will get you a carburated 0-360.
$20,240 will get you a carburated, Lasar equipped, 0-360
$24,490 will get you a fuel injected, Lasar equipped, IO-360.
$24,990 will get you a FADEC equipped IO-360 with data logging, etc...
-Mike Draper
RV-8 QB
on the fence of keeping it simple (O-360) or going full boat TMX FIO-360
Put the $$ in the panel or the engine?
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: Mike Draper <rv8tor@gmail.com>
-Mike Draper
RV-8 QB
on the fence of keeping it simple (O-360) or going full boat TMX FIO-360
Put the $$ in the panel or the engine?
You'll probably want to consider which one will be easier/cheaper to upgrade
at a later date.
I don't know the answer to that, but I'm sure some research into it would
tell you.
Marty
In Indiana, looking for my first Grin!
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| Subject: | Tail Lynx tailwheel springs |
--> RV-List message posted by: BrooksRV6@webtv.net (Chris Brooks)
Has anyone installed, and care to comment on the Tail Lynx deluxe
tailwheel spring kit recently offered in Vans catalog?
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 (g meter) |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
The new d10A with it's audio/voice capability could be programmed to give you an
audio cue based on user settings for different G readings. ie, it says 2 Gs
or 3Gs when you pass through them, etc. so you don't have to look at all.
I have suggested this to Dynon. Others should too. If the user could select
from maybe a small and a larger font size could also possibly help.
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons"
>
> I would certainly agree with Larry that the g meter on the Dynon is essentially
> useless. I do have a Dynon so this is not idle bashing. I plan on having a
> separate g meter (as well as a separate AOA) to compensate for this.
>
> I do have to disagree on the statement that an analog g meter is 10 times
> better. The digital presentation on the Dynon is not the problem. The problem
is
> that the reading is too small and too hard to pick out from the min and max
> readings.
>
> I think your comparison of using a digital attitude indicator is the proverbial
> apples/oranges comparison. An attitude indicator is a replacement for a visual
> representation of the airplane's attitude. The g meter replaces your
> seat-of-the-pants feel, not a visual reference. I don't think you have to do
any
> "mental calculation" when you look at a digital g meter and it says you're
> experiencing 2 g's.
>
> I do think you have to train yourself to know when you're experincing 2 g's
> using seat-of-the-pants or an analog meter. You will eventually get used to the
> fact that the needle is in a certain spot when you're at 2 g's. Until you
> develop that sense I think it takes a finite amount of time to realize what g
> you are experiencing. If you're just interested in knowing if you're getting
> close to a limit, then the analog meter would be superior if the limit is
> clearly marked in reference to your actual g loading..
>
> Ken
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Larry Pardue"
> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:46:14 -0600
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue"
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dan Checkoway"
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway"
> >>
> >>> I too thought the vsi and G-meter indications were too small at first.
> >>> After 30-40 hrs, it's less of an issue and I now find them useful.
> >>
> >> I personally think the Dynon D10's VSI display is absolutely useless.
> >> But.....
> >>
> >
> >I don't think the VSI is so bad but do think the g-meter is useless, not so
> >much because of the size but because it is digital. This is exactly the
> >kind of function where analog is about 10 times better. It can be quickly
> >changing and you need to be able to interpret it at a glance. I haven't
> >even been able to train myself to easily use the digital altitude on my
> >MicroEncoder. Any digital display requires mental calculation. Sometimes
> >that is relatively easy and sometimes not.
> >
> >Anyone who doesn't agree with this, I would suggest, should consider a
> >digital attitude indicator. It would certainly be easier for Dynon to
> >display pitch and bank digitally. We would just have + or - number for
> >pitch and a + or - number for bank. Just try to fly with it though.
> >
> >I think the Dyon is potentially great and don't argue with them giving the
> >pilot the option to display some things that are not that useful. It is
> >easy for them to do and some pilots may like all that stuff. Personally I
> >think with everything turned on it is a cluttered mess in a very small area.
> >I use the heading, attitude and turn and bank functions and have the
> >airspeed turned on, with static to the cockpit, for a backup. Everything
> >else that can be turned off, is.
> >
> >Larry Pardue
> >Carlsbad, NM
> >
> >RV-6 N441LP Flying
> >http://n5lp.net
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
The new d10A with it's audio/voice capability could be programmed to give you an
audio cue based on user settings for different G readings. ie,it says 2 Gs or
3Gs when you pass through them, etc. so you don't have to look at all.
I have suggested this to Dynon. Others should too. If the user could select from
maybe a small and a larger font size could also possibly help.
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <KEN@TRUCKSTOP.COM>
I would certainly agree with Larry that the g meter on the Dynon is essentially
useless. I do have a Dynon so this is not idle bashing. I plan on having a
separate g meter (as well as a separate AOA) to compensate for this.
I do have to disagree on the statement that an analog g meter is 10 times
better. The digital presentation on the Dynon is not the problem. The problem
is
that the reading is too small and too hard to pick out from the min and max
readings.
I think your comparison of using a digital attitude indicator is the proverbial
apples/oranges comparison. An attitude indicator is a replacement for a visual
representation of the airplane's a
ttitude. The g meter replaces your
seat-of-the-pants feel, not a visual reference. I don't think you have to do any
"mental calculation" when you look at a digital g meter and it says you're
experiencing 2 g's.
I do think you have to train yourself to know when you're experincing 2 g's
using seat-of-the-pants or an analog meter. You will eventually get used to the
fact that the needle is in a certain spot when you're at 2 g's. Until you
develop that sense I think it takes a finite amount of time to realize what g
you are experiencing. If you're just interested in knowing if you're getting
close to a limit, then the analog meter would be superior if the limit is
clearly marked in reference to your actual g loading..
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Larry Pardue" <N5LP@WARPDRIVEONLINE.COM>
&g
t; Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:46:14 -0600
-- RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <N5LP@WARPDRIVEONLINE.COM>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <DAN@RVPROJECT.COM>
To: <RV-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
-- RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <DAN@RVPROJECT.COM>
I too thought the vsi and G-meter indications were too small at first.
After 30-40 hrs, it's less of an issue and I now find them useful.
I personally think the Dynon D10's VSI display is absolutely useless.
But.....
I don't think the VSI is so bad but do think the g-meter is useless, not so
much because of the size but be
cause it is digital. This is exactly the
kind of function where analog is about 10 times better. It can be quickly
changing and you need to be able to interpret it at a glance. I haven't
even been able to train myself to easily use the digital altitude on my
MicroEncoder. Any digital display requires mental calculation. Sometimes
that is relatively easy and sometimes not.
Anyone who doesn't agree with this, I would suggest, should consider a
digital attitude indicator. It would certainly be easier for Dynon to
display pitch and bank digitally. We would just have + or - number for
pitch and a + or - number for bank. Just try to fly with it though.
I think the Dyon is potentially great and don't argue with them giving the
pilot the option to display some things that are not that useful. It is
eas
y for them to do and some pilots may like all that stuff. Personally I
think with everything turned on it is a cluttered mess in a very small area.
I use the heading, attitude and turn and bank functions and have the
airspeed turned on, with static to the cockpit, for a backup. Everything
else that can be turned off, is.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 (g meter) |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
The new d10A with it's audio/voice capability could be programmed to give you an
audio cue based on user settings for different G readings. ie, it says 2 Gs
or 3Gs when you pass through them, etc. so you don't have to look at all.
I have suggested this to Dynon. Others should too. If the user could select
from maybe a small and a larger font size could also possibly help.
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons"
>
> I would certainly agree with Larry that the g meter on the Dynon is essentially
> useless. I do have a Dynon so this is not idle bashing. I plan on having a
> separate g meter (as well as a separate AOA) to compensate for this.
>
> I do have to disagree on the statement that an analog g meter is 10 times
> better. The digital presentation on the Dynon is not the problem. The problem
is
> that the reading is too small and too hard to pick out from the min and max
> readings.
>
> I think your comparison of using a digital attitude indicator is the proverbial
> apples/oranges comparison. An attitude indicator is a replacement for a visual
> representation of the airplane's attitude. The g meter replaces your
> seat-of-the-pants feel, not a visual reference. I don't think you have to do
any
> "mental calculation" when you look at a digital g meter and it says you're
> experiencing 2 g's.
>
> I do think you have to train yourself to know when you're experincing 2 g's
> using seat-of-the-pants or an analog meter. You will eventually get used to the
> fact that the needle is in a certain spot when you're at 2 g's. Until you
> develop that sense I think it takes a finite amount of time to realize what g
> you are experiencing. If you're just interested in knowing if you're getting
> close to a limit, then the analog meter would be superior if the limit is
> clearly marked in reference to your actual g loading..
>
> Ken
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Larry Pardue"
> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:46:14 -0600
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue"
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dan Checkoway"
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway"
> >>
> >>> I too thought the vsi and G-meter indications were too small at first.
> >>> After 30-40 hrs, it's less of an issue and I now find them useful.
> >>
> >> I personally think the Dynon D10's VSI display is absolutely useless.
> >> But.....
> >>
> >
> >I don't think the VSI is so bad but do think the g-meter is useless, not so
> >much because of the size but because it is digital. This is exactly the
> >kind of function where analog is about 10 times better. It can be quickly
> >changing and you need to be able to interpret it at a glance. I haven't
> >even been able to train myself to easily use the digital altitude on my
> >MicroEncoder. Any digital display requires mental calculation. Sometimes
> >that is relatively easy and sometimes not.
> >
> >Anyone who doesn't agree with this, I would suggest, should consider a
> >digital attitude indicator. It would certainly be easier for Dynon to
> >display pitch and bank digitally. We would just have + or - number for
> >pitch and a + or - number for bank. Just try to fly with it though.
> >
> >I think the Dyon is potentially great and don't argue with them giving the
> >pilot the option to display some things that are not that useful. It is
> >easy for them to do and some pilots may like all that stuff. Personally I
> >think with everything turned on it is a cluttered mess in a very small area.
> >I use the heading, attitude and turn and bank functions and have the
> >airspeed turned on, with static to the cockpit, for a backup. Everything
> >else that can be turned off, is.
> >
> >Larry Pardue
> >Carlsbad, NM
> >
> >RV-6 N441LP Flying
> >http://n5lp.net
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
The new d10A with it's audio/voice capability could be programmed to give you an
audio cue based on user settings for different G readings. ie,it says 2 Gs or
3Gs when you pass through them, etc. so you don't have to look at all.
I have suggested this to Dynon. Others should too. If the user could select from
maybe a small and a larger font size could also possibly help.
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <KEN@TRUCKSTOP.COM>
I would certainly agree with Larry that the g meter on the Dynon is essentially
useless. I do have a Dynon so this is not idle bashing. I plan on having a
separate g meter (as well as a separate AOA) to compensate for this.
I do have to disagree on the statement that an analog g meter is 10 times
better. The digital presentation on the Dynon is not the problem. The problem
is
that the reading is too small and too hard to pick out from the min and max
readings.
I think your comparison of using a digital attitude indicator is the proverbial
apples/oranges comparison. An attitude indicator is a replacement for a visual
representation of the airplane's a
ttitude. The g meter replaces your
seat-of-the-pants feel, not a visual reference. I don't think you have to do any
"mental calculation" when you look at a digital g meter and it says you're
experiencing 2 g's.
I do think you have to train yourself to know when you're experincing 2 g's
using seat-of-the-pants or an analog meter. You will eventually get used to the
fact that the needle is in a certain spot when you're at 2 g's. Until you
develop that sense I think it takes a finite amount of time to realize what g
you are experiencing. If you're just interested in knowing if you're getting
close to a limit, then the analog meter would be superior if the limit is
clearly marked in reference to your actual g loading..
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Larry Pardue" <N5LP@WARPDRIVEONLINE.COM>
&g
t; Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:46:14 -0600
-- RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <N5LP@WARPDRIVEONLINE.COM>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <DAN@RVPROJECT.COM>
To: <RV-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
-- RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <DAN@RVPROJECT.COM>
I too thought the vsi and G-meter indications were too small at first.
After 30-40 hrs, it's less of an issue and I now find them useful.
I personally think the Dynon D10's VSI display is absolutely useless.
But.....
I don't think the VSI is so bad but do think the g-meter is useless, not so
much because of the size but be
cause it is digital. This is exactly the
kind of function where analog is about 10 times better. It can be quickly
changing and you need to be able to interpret it at a glance. I haven't
even been able to train myself to easily use the digital altitude on my
MicroEncoder. Any digital display requires mental calculation. Sometimes
that is relatively easy and sometimes not.
Anyone who doesn't agree with this, I would suggest, should consider a
digital attitude indicator. It would certainly be easier for Dynon to
display pitch and bank digitally. We would just have + or - number for
pitch and a + or - number for bank. Just try to fly with it though.
I think the Dyon is potentially great and don't argue with them giving the
pilot the option to display some things that are not that useful. It is
eas
y for them to do and some pilots may like all that stuff. Personally I
think with everything turned on it is a cluttered mess in a very small area.
I use the heading, attitude and turn and bank functions and have the
airspeed turned on, with static to the cockpit, for a backup. Everything
else that can be turned off, is.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
=========================
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 (g meter) |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
The new d10A with it's audio/voice capability could be programmed to give you an
audio cue based on user settings for different G readings. ie, it says 2 Gs
or 3Gs when you pass through them, etc. so you don't have to look at all.
I have suggested this to Dynon. Others should too. If the user could select
from maybe a small and a larger font size could also possibly help.
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons"
>
> I would certainly agree with Larry that the g meter on the Dynon is essentially
> useless. I do have a Dynon so this is not idle bashing. I plan on having a
> separate g meter (as well as a separate AOA) to compensate for this.
>
> I do have to disagree on the statement that an analog g meter is 10 times
> better. The digital presentation on the Dynon is not the problem. The problem
is
> that the reading is too small and too hard to pick out from the min and max
> readings.
>
> I think your comparison of using a digital attitude indicator is the proverbial
> apples/oranges comparison. An attitude indicator is a replacement for a visual
> representation of the airplane's attitude. The g meter replaces your
> seat-of-the-pants feel, not a visual reference. I don't think you have to do
any
> "mental calculation" when you look at a digital g meter and it says you're
> experiencing 2 g's.
>
> I do think you have to train yourself to know when you're experincing 2 g's
> using seat-of-the-pants or an analog meter. You will eventually get used to the
> fact that the needle is in a certain spot when you're at 2 g's. Until you
> develop that sense I think it takes a finite amount of time to realize what g
> you are experiencing. If you're just interested in knowing if you're getting
> close to a limit, then the analog meter would be superior if the limit is
> clearly marked in reference to your actual g loading..
>
> Ken
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Larry Pardue"
> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:46:14 -0600
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue"
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dan Checkoway"
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway"
> >>
> >>> I too thought the vsi and G-meter indications were too small at first.
> >>> After 30-40 hrs, it's less of an issue and I now find them useful.
> >>
> >> I personally think the Dynon D10's VSI display is absolutely useless.
> >> But.....
> >>
> >
> >I don't think the VSI is so bad but do think the g-meter is useless, not so
> >much because of the size but because it is digital. This is exactly the
> >kind of function where analog is about 10 times better. It can be quickly
> >changing and you need to be able to interpret it at a glance. I haven't
> >even been able to train myself to easily use the digital altitude on my
> >MicroEncoder. Any digital display requires mental calculation. Sometimes
> >that is relatively easy and sometimes not.
> >
> >Anyone who doesn't agree with this, I would suggest, should consider a
> >digital attitude indicator. It would certainly be easier for Dynon to
> >display pitch and bank digitally. We would just have + or - number for
> >pitch and a + or - number for bank. Just try to fly with it though.
> >
> >I think the Dyon is potentially great and don't argue with them giving the
> >pilot the option to display some things that are not that useful. It is
> >easy for them to do and some pilots may like all that stuff. Personally I
> >think with everything turned on it is a cluttered mess in a very small area.
> >I use the heading, attitude and turn and bank functions and have the
> >airspeed turned on, with static to the cockpit, for a backup. Everything
> >else that can be turned off, is.
> >
> >Larry Pardue
> >Carlsbad, NM
> >
> >RV-6 N441LP Flying
> >http://n5lp.net
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
The new d10A with it's audio/voice capability could be programmed to give you an
audio cue based on user settings for different G readings. ie,it says 2 Gs or
3Gs when you pass through them, etc. so you don't have to look at all.
I have suggested this to Dynon. Others should too. If the user could select from
maybe a small and a larger font size could also possibly help.
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <KEN@TRUCKSTOP.COM>
I would certainly agree with Larry that the g meter on the Dynon is essentially
useless. I do have a Dynon so this is not idle bashing. I plan on having a
separate g meter (as well as a separate AOA) to compensate for this.
I do have to disagree on the statement that an analog g meter is 10 times
better. The digital presentation on the Dynon is not the problem. The problem
is
that the reading is too small and too hard to pick out from the min and max
readings.
I think your comparison of using a digital attitude indicator is the proverbial
apples/oranges comparison. An attitude indicator is a replacement for a visual
representation of the airplane's a
ttitude. The g meter replaces your
seat-of-the-pants feel, not a visual reference. I don't think you have to do any
"mental calculation" when you look at a digital g meter and it says you're
experiencing 2 g's.
I do think you have to train yourself to know when you're experincing 2 g's
using seat-of-the-pants or an analog meter. You will eventually get used to the
fact that the needle is in a certain spot when you're at 2 g's. Until you
develop that sense I think it takes a finite amount of time to realize what g
you are experiencing. If you're just interested in knowing if you're getting
close to a limit, then the analog meter would be superior if the limit is
clearly marked in reference to your actual g loading..
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Larry Pardue" <N5LP@WARPDRIVEONLINE.COM>
&g
t; Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:46:14 -0600
-- RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <N5LP@WARPDRIVEONLINE.COM>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <DAN@RVPROJECT.COM>
To: <RV-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Review of Dynon D-10 on opie.wvnet.edu
-- RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <DAN@RVPROJECT.COM>
I too thought the vsi and G-meter indications were too small at first.
After 30-40 hrs, it's less of an issue and I now find them useful.
I personally think the Dynon D10's VSI display is absolutely useless.
But.....
I don't think the VSI is so bad but do think the g-meter is useless, not so
much because of the size but be
cause it is digital. This is exactly the
kind of function where analog is about 10 times better. It can be quickly
changing and you need to be able to interpret it at a glance. I haven't
even been able to train myself to easily use the digital altitude on my
MicroEncoder. Any digital display requires mental calculation. Sometimes
that is relatively easy and sometimes not.
Anyone who doesn't agree with this, I would suggest, should consider a
digital attitude indicator. It would certainly be easier for Dynon to
display pitch and bank digitally. We would just have + or - number for
pitch and a + or - number for bank. Just try to fly with it though.
I think the Dyon is potentially great and don't argue with them giving the
pilot the option to display some things that are not that useful. It is
eas
y for them to do and some pilots may like all that stuff. Personally I
think with everything turned on it is a cluttered mess in a very small area.
I use the heading, attitude and turn and bank functions and have the
airspeed turned on, with static to the cockpit, for a backup. Everything
else that can be turned off, is.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
=========================
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| Subject: | Re: Review of Dynon D-10 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
I spoke to one of the Dynon guys at Copperstate a couple weeks ago. He
said a new software release should fix the leaning problems that some
users have reported. That release had not happened yet as of copperstate.
With a device like this you have to be resigned to upgrading the
software when new versions become available. It's more a computer than
anything else and it will have bugs and the code will have to be upgraded.
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:23:39 -0400
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
Just curious, is the TMX engine equipped with a fly-by-wire throttle? Many so-called
FADEC systems do not, which means they are not really FADEC (FULL AUTHORITY
digital engine control).
Tracy Crook
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Draper<mailto:rv8tor@gmail.com>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: FADEC
--> RV-List message posted by: Mike Draper <rv8tor@gmail.com<mailto:rv8tor@gmail.com>>
As soon as you start to consider a fuel injection system with
electronic ignition, going with FADEC is a non decision.
Take for example Mattituck TMX engines
$18,490 will get you a carburated 0-360.
$20,240 will get you a carburated, Lasar equipped, 0-360
$24,490 will get you a fuel injected, Lasar equipped, IO-360.
$24,990 will get you a FADEC equipped IO-360 with data logging, etc...
-Mike Draper
RV-8 QB
on the fence of keeping it simple (O-360) or going full boat TMX FIO-360
Put the $$ in the panel or the engine?
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| Subject: | Re: Plastic Fitting/Tubing Caps? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Dwight,
Sorry for the delay in responding. Here is the page in ACS's online
catalog where you'll find the plastic caps for tubing.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ha/capplugs.html
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
>
>You and Charlie both said ACS has 'em .. but I went searching there yesterday
>and couldn't find them (thus my posting asking for a source). At least I could
>not find anything that seemed to be what I want ... but I suspect I am not
>using the right search string. So, if anyone happens to know a part number
>I would be quite thankful! :)
>
>However, now that I *know* that they can be found there, I'll also search a
>bit harder. Thanks!
>
> -- Dwight
>
>do not archive
>
>On Mon Oct 11 10:34:08 2004, Bobby Hester wrote :
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Hester" <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
> >> To: rv-list@matronics.com (RV Mailing List)
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:50 (CDT)
> >> Subject: RV-List: Plastic Fitting/Tubing Caps?
> >>
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
> >>
> >> I've seen folks who have placed small plastic caps over their various AN
> >> fittings and open tube ends prior to making final connections. I'd like
> >> to get some of these (in various sizes) to cap off my fittings and open
> >> tubes to keep bugs and other debris from sneaking in. Does anyone have a
> >> handy source for these sorts of things, or any other suggestions on how
> >> to close off these openings?
> >>
> >> -- Dwight
> >>
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >
> >Aircraft Spruce has them!
> >Don't have part numbers handy right now.
> >
> >-------
> >Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
> >RV7A web site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heat Muff Parts |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 10/20/2004 4:22:52 PM Central Standard Time,
wooody04@bellsouth.net writes:
Try Vans
Sounds like the same heat muff that Vans sells.
Got the replacement parts today from Rick Robbins- thanks again Rick for the
great service and instant turnaround!
Mark - do not archive
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| Subject: | Excessive Play in Manual Elevator Trim |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
while inspecting my rv6 today, a friend pointed out what seems to be excessive
free play in my elevator trim ie. grabbing the tab itself, there seems to be excessive
up and down movement in the tab, perhaps 1/4 inch up and the same down....it
just seems loose...in the cable. the movement seems to be in the cable
itself, but is so light that it would seem to be somewhere near the rear end
of the plane. the trim itself seems fine in flight.
should i be worried about this? is there an adjustment in the cable itself somewhere.
as i said, the movement is very light and would seem, given the length
of the cable, to be in the rear of the plane.
ideas appreciated.
tony marshall
artdeco rv6
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| Subject: | Re: Excessive Play in Manual Elevator Trim |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
I've noticed the same thing in my unfinished plane. I really can't say how
much exactly, but I doubt its a 1/4 inch. From what I can tell, the threaded
end of the cable is attached to the inner cable with some type of swivel and
there appears to be a little bit of slop in it at both ends. I was unable to
figure out any way to get rid of the free play.
Steve Zicree
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
Subject: RV-List: Excessive Play in Manual Elevator Trim
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
>
> while inspecting my rv6 today, a friend pointed out what seems to be
excessive free play in my elevator trim ie. grabbing the tab itself, there
seems to be excessive up and down movement in the tab, perhaps 1/4 inch up
and the same down....it just seems loose...in the cable. the movement seems
to be in the cable itself, but is so light that it would seem to be
somewhere near the rear end of the plane. the trim itself seems fine in
flight.
>
> should i be worried about this? is there an adjustment in the cable
itself somewhere. as i said, the movement is very light and would seem,
given the length of the cable, to be in the rear of the plane.
>
> ideas appreciated.
>
> tony marshall
> artdeco rv6
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Excessive Play in Manual Elevator Trim |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
I've noticed the same thing in my unfinished plane. I really can't say how
much exactly, but I doubt its a 1/4 inch. From what I can tell, the threaded
end of the cable is attached to the inner cable with some type of swivel and
there appears to be a little bit of slop in it at both ends. I was unable to
figure out any way to get rid of the free play.
Steve Zicree
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
Subject: RV-List: Excessive Play in Manual Elevator Trim
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
>
> while inspecting my rv6 today, a friend pointed out what seems to be
excessive free play in my elevator trim ie. grabbing the tab itself, there
seems to be excessive up and down movement in the tab, perhaps 1/4 inch up
and the same down....it just seems loose...in the cable. the movement seems
to be in the cable itself, but is so light that it would seem to be
somewhere near the rear end of the plane. the trim itself seems fine in
flight.
>
> should i be worried about this? is there an adjustment in the cable
itself somewhere. as i said, the movement is very light and would seem,
given the length of the cable, to be in the rear of the plane.
>
> ideas appreciated.
>
> tony marshall
> artdeco rv6
>
>
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