---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/25/04: 72 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:04 AM - Re: Too many lists? (Kevin Horton) 2. 04:55 AM - Re: Slider Tip-Up Mod (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 3. 05:17 AM - Re: Slider Tip-Up Mod (DWENSING@aol.com) 4. 05:20 AM - Re: Too many lists? (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 5. 05:26 AM - Re: Putting Air In Tires... (LarryRobertHelming) 6. 05:39 AM - Manifold Pressure Error (Lenleg@aol.com) 7. 06:14 AM - Re: Scratches in aluminum (Charlie Kuss) 8. 06:36 AM - Re: Too many lists? (cgalley) 9. 06:49 AM - Re: Grand Rapids Horizon 1 (Frazier, Vincent A) 10. 07:15 AM - Re: Too many lists? (Scott VanArtsdalen) 11. 07:38 AM - Re: Slider Tip-Up Mod (Ralph E. Capen) 12. 07:56 AM - Re: Diesel (David E. Nelson) 13. 09:30 AM - Re: Root Fairings for RV4 (Dean Pichon) 14. 09:44 AM - traffic warning scopes (Knicholas2@aol.com) 15. 09:56 AM - Re: Root Fairings for RV4 (Moore, Warren) 16. 10:21 AM - Cool new tool (weight & balance database) (Dan Checkoway) 17. 10:31 AM - Bottom Airbox or Forward Facing (Kathleen@rv7.us) 18. 10:47 AM - Re: Putting Air In Tires... (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 19. 10:48 AM - (OT) Marry Me, Megan (Dennis Persyk) 20. 11:03 AM - Counterweighted Crank (Kathleen@rv7.us) 21. 11:19 AM - Re: Bottom Airbox or Forward Facing (Scott Bilinski) 22. 11:29 AM - Re: Counterweighted Crank (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 23. 11:36 AM - Re: traffic warning scopes (Terry Watson) 24. 11:36 AM - Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 25. 11:36 AM - Re: Bottom Airbox or Forward Facing (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 26. 11:36 AM - Re: Bottom Airbox or Forward Facing (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 27. 11:38 AM - Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) (Dan Checkoway) 28. 11:49 AM - [ Bob Olds ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 29. 11:50 AM - Re: Putting Air In Tires... (JOHN STARN) 30. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) (Scott VanArtsdalen) 31. 12:26 PM - Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) (Ross Mickey) 32. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) (Dan Checkoway) 33. 12:46 PM - Re: Counterweighted Crank (Ralph E. Capen) 34. 12:53 PM - Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) (Dan Checkoway) 35. 01:12 PM - Re: Counterweighted Crank (Wayne Glasser) 36. 01:22 PM - Airparks... (Bill VonDane) 37. 01:25 PM - Re: Scratches in aluminum (Mike Robertson) 38. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) (Scott VanArtsdalen) 39. 01:54 PM - Re: Tail Lynx tailwheel springs (RobHickman@aol.com) 40. 02:00 PM - ACS - RV Control Cables (Aircraft Spruce) 41. 02:21 PM - Re: Too many lists? (Kyle Boatright) 42. 02:24 PM - Re: Scratches in aluminum (David) 43. 02:47 PM - RV8 seats (Mickey Coggins) 44. 02:49 PM - O-320 needed (Michael Saffold) 45. 03:12 PM - Re: O-320 needed (John Ammeter) 46. 03:12 PM - Re: Too many lists? (Kevin Horton) 47. 03:21 PM - Re: RV8 seats (Erdmann's) 48. 03:31 PM - Re: Diesel (Kevin Horton) 49. 03:32 PM - Re: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? (David Schaefer) 50. 03:33 PM - Re: O-320 needed (Jerry Springer) 51. 03:39 PM - Re: Counterweighted Crank (Rhett Westerman) 52. 03:52 PM - Re: Tail Lynx tailwheel springs (Jim Daniels) 53. 03:58 PM - Avionics cooling (Chuck Weyant) 54. 04:13 PM - Re: RV8 seats (Chuck Weyant) 55. 04:38 PM - Re: Putting Air In Tires... (Richard Scott) 56. 04:52 PM - Re: Root Fairings for RV4 (Louis Willig) 57. 05:08 PM - Re: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 58. 05:23 PM - Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 59. 05:26 PM - Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) (Dan Checkoway) 60. 06:02 PM - Re: Scratches in aluminum (Charlie Kuss) 61. 06:06 PM - Re: ACS - RV Control Cables (John Danielson) 62. 06:23 PM - Re: RV8 seats (Charlie England) 63. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) (Ed Anderson) 64. 06:48 PM - Re: Too many lists? (Charlie England) 65. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Putting Air In Tires... (John) 66. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Putting Air In Tires... (Tom Gummo) 67. 07:44 PM - Re: Diesel (Scott Jackson) 68. 09:15 PM - Re: O-320 needed (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 69. 09:18 PM - FADEC (DEAN PSIROPOULOS) 70. 09:53 PM - Re: Diesel (Todd Bartrim) 71. 10:11 PM - Re: Putting Air In Tires... (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 72. 10:29 PM - Question on Folding Leading Edge of Elevator... (Matt Johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:35 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Too many lists? --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: "Aaron Frechette" > >Tedd, > >I have to say that I don't see how The List is doing a 'good' job of items 1 >through 4, set aside 5. I actually feel like item 5 is a good feature to >have at times. Nothing like having the picture right there to help >communicate a point. > >1. Message presentation by thread or by date >2. Option for web browsing or individual e-mails sent >3. Good search functionality >4. Good categorization >5. Ability to include pics and files WITH messages >6. Ability to post & store pictures in a gallery >7. Ability to post & store files someplace central > >I suppose it has to do with the standards by which you judge these criteria. >I personally feel like the mailing lists are an cumbersome means for sharing >and organizing information when compared to discussion boards like, for >example www.glocktalk.com, which runs on vBulletin. IMO, going from a board >like this to The List is like going from Windows back to DOS. Well, maybe >not that extreme. I'll just say that web boards work well for me. > >Aaron Frechette In large part it depends on what e-mail client you use, and what you do with the messages after you get them. My e-mail client will sort messages by thread, and sort the threads by date. I read the threads with interesting subject lines, and delete the others. If I ever see a message with a good idea I change the subject to be more descriptive, then save a copy in a folder, with a different folder for each main area of interest. My e-mail client has an excellent search function, so I can quickly find a saved message years later if need be. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:37 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Slider Tip-Up Mod From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Took me 6 hours, one afternoon and $150.00 That is the only downsides. I have a few upsides that Ill share. 1. Wife Michelle now will load the plane. 2. Loading the 6A with the tail up is difficult w/o this mod 3. My 6A has tall seat backs for comfort, which makes loading even more challenging w/o the tip up 4. I could not easily remove my custom smoke tank w/o the tip up 5. We travel a lot and this mod actually makes us look fwd to loading and unloading the plane. While the rest of the group struggles to get to their baggage in the tandem or side by side. We stand comfortable on the ramp and pull out exactly what we need. 6. Cleaning the inside of the canopy is also much easier on the tip-up. Mike Stewart Gonna miss the access to baggage in-flight moving to the S8. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Marshall Subject: RV-List: Slider Tip-Up Mod --> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" A fellow RVR Rich Meske some years ago developed a tip up mod for an RV6 slider. He sells a kit for the conversion at www.aircraftextras.com Anyone had experience with this mod? How much time does it take to install? Upsides? Downsides? Tony Marshall ArtDeco RV6 == == == == ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:42 AM PST US From: DWENSING@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Slider Tip-Up Mod --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com In a message dated 10/24/04 8:45:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tony@lambros.com writes: > A fellow RVR Rich Meske some years ago developed a tip up mod for an RV6 > slider. He sells a kit for the conversion at www.aircraftextras.com > > Anyone had experience with this mod? How much time does it take to install? > Upsides? Downsides? > Tony, First, the plane is not yet flying (will be very soon) but I do not expect any problems. The installation is a little time consuming but worth it in my opinion. I simplified the mechanism that releases the canopy to slide back and allow the rear slider block to disengage the track but other wise installed it as supplied. The included instructions could be better but you get the idea of what is to be done. i.e. the screws holding down the side slider tracks must be changed to countersunk flat head screws. The instructions say nothing about that. The tip up ability has been a very nice attribute even in the construction phase. Used it again yesterday as I was installing the luggage area tie down ring bases. I believe there will be many times in the flying future that the feature will be most appreciated I am glad I spent the money and the time to install it. Maybe one downside.........now my wife thinks she can get a bigger piece of luggage into the plane! Dale Ensing RV-6A N118DE ready for FAA in about a week! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:30 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Too many lists? From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Mickey you will not get that. The Yahoo groups do not get crawled by google. My major issue with Yahoo has been its search ability. Searching the yahoo groups are useless. It is pointless to go through an intelligent Yahoo discussion of future need to know items if you cant get to it later. Yahoo groups are VERY GOOD for day to day information exchange. Perfect for local people to keep up to speed with each other. But as far as a global exchange of information for our kids to learn from, forget it. The rv-list has saved my butt more than 100 times when I needed and answer to a ? and I have no doubt my life would have been even more miserable building the 6 w/o the rv-list and its years of information to search. I do not bother getting involved with other BB's as there is no way to know if they will be there in the future to get the information from. I personally need only 2 lists. 1. RV-list for intelligent exchange of information by some very intelligent people for future reference. 2. Yahoo groups for local day to day stuff as a communication babble tool Mike Stewart Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins Subject: RE: RV-List: Too many lists? --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins >That's what Google is for! It will find it on Matt's list or just about >any where else it might be. I have not been able to get Google to find information on the Yahoo groups. Is there a trick that I don't know about? Thanks, Mickey -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage == == == == ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:59 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Putting Air In Tires... --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Overkill? Seems that removing and replacing the stem cap should be most important. Without the stem cap, dirt can enter and settle in the valve opening. Then,,,,When you put in air next time, some of that dirt gets moved a bit and settles along the edge of the air tight fitting; and you have just built in an air leak because you did not use a stem cap. Best to keep dirt out of the stem. Remove and replace cap each time you need to add air. Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker" The sincerest satisfactions in life come in doing and not dodging duty; in meeting and solving problems, in facing facts; in flying a virgin plane never flown before. - Richard L. Evans & Larry R Helming ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Kells" Subject: Re: RV-List: Putting Air In Tires... > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" > > The following are great answers - just be certain to purchase an extension > that has the little button to depress the valve stem (mine came from and RV > camper store). > In addition, I purchased some chromed valve stem caps - with a hex head, > from an auto supply store. Then I made a driver by raiding my many tool > sets and spot welded a small rod to an extra one that fit the hex valve stem > cap. Works fine for removing and replacing the stem cap - perhaps > overkill??? > > >> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" > > > > Cleavland sells a valve stem sxtension. Works great. > > Check out > > http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?number=VSE5&varia > > tion=&aitem=18&mitem=27 > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:37 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Manifold Pressure Error --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com List: FYI .... I found the calibration error in my MP gauge ... I was showing 4" high on the gauge. I am no longer getting 26" at 8500'. But I sure have a faster airplane now !!!! Len Leggette, RV-8A Greensboro, N.C. N910LL 281 hrs ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:17 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Scratches in aluminum --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss David, No one else has responded to your question, so I'll weigh in here. AC 43.13-1b states that scratches up to 10% of the material thickness can be polished out. Beyond that point there is a loss of strength to the part. However, since Vans tends to "overbuild" parts, I would contact them for advice after first determining how deep the scratches are. If in doubt, just buy a new part. Charlie Kuss PS If you don't have a copy of this very useful Advisory Circular, you can download it here. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument This is a 400+ page document, so it is broken up into Chapter sized Acrobat (PDF) files. Look in Chapter 4 for advice about aluminum structures. >--> RV-List message posted by: "David" > >While drilling the lightening holes in the W-621 flap braces, >I managed to get some chips between the brace and the board it was resting >on---on the drill press. Due to the oscillations of the flap brace as the >fly cutter was doing its job, these shavings marred the surface of the >aluminum. It takes some pretty aggressive use of the scotchbrite wheel to >remove these while surely removing all of the alclad as well >as some percentage of the thickness of the part. My question is: > >1) Lightly touch up the area with a scotchbrite wheel while > not totally removing the scratch? >2) Use the scothbrite wheel to completely remove the > scratch? >3) Scrap the part and start over? > >This is not just one scratch. > >Thanks, > >David Kirby >RV6A-QB >Griffin, Ga. > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:02 AM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Too many lists? --> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" So what e-mail reader are you using? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Horton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Too many lists? > --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Aaron Frechette" > > > >Tedd, > > > >I have to say that I don't see how The List is doing a 'good' job of items 1 > >through 4, set aside 5. I actually feel like item 5 is a good feature to > >have at times. Nothing like having the picture right there to help > >communicate a point. > > > >1. Message presentation by thread or by date > >2. Option for web browsing or individual e-mails sent > >3. Good search functionality > >4. Good categorization > >5. Ability to include pics and files WITH messages > >6. Ability to post & store pictures in a gallery > >7. Ability to post & store files someplace central > > > >I suppose it has to do with the standards by which you judge these criteria. > >I personally feel like the mailing lists are an cumbersome means for sharing > >and organizing information when compared to discussion boards like, for > >example www.glocktalk.com, which runs on vBulletin. IMO, going from a board > >like this to The List is like going from Windows back to DOS. Well, maybe > >not that extreme. I'll just say that web boards work well for me. > > > >Aaron Frechette > > In large part it depends on what e-mail client you use, and what you > do with the messages after you get them. My e-mail client will sort > messages by thread, and sort the threads by date. I read the threads > with interesting subject lines, and delete the others. If I ever see > a message with a good idea I change the subject to be more > descriptive, then save a copy in a folder, with a different folder > for each main area of interest. My e-mail client has an excellent > search function, so I can quickly find a saved message years later if > need be. > -- > Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) > Ottawa, Canada > http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Grand Rapids Horizon 1 From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" ***********SNIP Subject: RE: RV-List: Grand Rapids Horizon 1 I'm having dual GRT EFIS installed. I haven't had a single problem with them, of course, I haven't flown yet either. I'll report initial impressions next week. Chuck SNIP************ I have flown mine. It is a great product. I have 5 hours behind it now and it is amazing how much stuff it will do. It will probably take me the entire test period to fully grasp all of the cool things it will do. BTW, it is as they claim FULLY sunlight readable. I had mine slightly dimmed yesterday and could still easily read it in sunlight WITH my sunglasses on! Vince Frazier F-1H Rocket, N540VF http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:42 AM PST US From: "Scott VanArtsdalen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Too many lists? --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" I hadn't really paid that much attention to it but now that you mention it I don't recall ever seeing any results from the Yahoo Groups. Hmmm, let's try to figure out why that would be... competing search engines maybe? I'll try to pay more careful attention. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins Subject: RE: RV-List: Too many lists? --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins >That's what Google is for! It will find it on Matt's list or just about >any where else it might be. I have not been able to get Google to find information on the Yahoo groups. Is there a trick that I don't know about? Thanks, Mickey -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage == == == == ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:36 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Slider Tip-Up Mod --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" My experience is similar - I would like to see Dale's simplification though..... -----Original Message----- From: DWENSING@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Slider Tip-Up Mod --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com In a message dated 10/24/04 8:45:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tony@lambros.com writes: > A fellow RVR Rich Meske some years ago developed a tip up mod for an RV6 > slider. He sells a kit for the conversion at www.aircraftextras.com > > Anyone had experience with this mod? How much time does it take to install? > Upsides? Downsides? > Tony, First, the plane is not yet flying (will be very soon) but I do not expect any problems. The installation is a little time consuming but worth it in my opinion. I simplified the mechanism that releases the canopy to slide back and allow the rear slider block to disengage the track but other wise installed it as supplied. The included instructions could be better but you get the idea of what is to be done. i.e. the screws holding down the side slider tracks must be changed to countersunk flat head screws. The instructions say nothing about that. The tip up ability has been a very nice attribute even in the construction phase. Used it again yesterday as I was installing the luggage area tie down ring bases. I believe there will be many times in the flying future that the feature will be most appreciated I am glad I spent the money and the time to install it. Maybe one downside.........now my wife thinks she can get a bigger piece of luggage into the plane! Dale Ensing RV-6A N118DE ready for FAA in about a week! ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:57 AM PST US From: "David E. Nelson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Diesel --> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" I too have been keeping a close eye on the DeltaHawk. I've finally marked it "mostly" off my list. Now, I'm still couple/serveral/many years away from an engine purchase so my opinion may change. My painpoints where: - Very very new. - When it/something breaks what about parts? I know they are trying to get a distribution network going but I don't believe it exists today. - What happens if they don't make it and 5/10/... yrs from now I need a part that only they can supply. - Diesel is heavier than 100LL. According to Chevron/Texaco, their diesel is 6.76 lb/gal compared to 5.8 lb/gal for 100LL - ~15% heavier. That's 49lbs of extra weight for full tanks. - Unlike in Europe, the price difference between Jet-A and 100LL doesn't seem to justify itself. A recent check on www.AirNav.com shows that the average price in the Austin,TX area is $2.69/gal for 100LL and $2.70/gal for Jet-A. However, deals can be had ($2.18/gal for 100LL and $2.05/gal for Jet-A) if you're willing to travel a small distance). At this point, I don't think it makes economic sense - at least not for me. I'm really excited for DH and hope that they make it. Regards, /\/elson Austin, TX RV-7A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:57 AM PST US From: "Dean Pichon" Subject: RE: RV-List: Root Fairings for RV4 --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" I used the "flat strips and rubber molding" on my -4. I bought the corresponding RV-6 parts to make the change. I didn't like the look or fit of the fiberglass leading edges and curved aluminum strips that came with the kit. The flat strips and rubber moldings were very easy to fit and look fine, in my opinion. I read that, for planes like RV's, there is no speed penalty for this type of fairing, or lack thereof. I have been told, however, that the lack of this intersection fillet has an adverse effect on low speed handling, though I have never verified this. I have about 240 hours on my -4 and am very happy with the way it flies at all speeds. Good luck with yours. Dean Pichon Bolton, MA ----Original Message Follows---- From: "steve zicree" Subject: RV-List: Root Fairings for RV4 --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" Can anybody tell me what the conventional wisdom is on root fairings? My 4 kit has some fiberglass for the front and some curved aluminum for the top. I've seen several pics of 6's that appear to just use a flat strip with what looks like some kind of rubber molding. I like the idea a lot and am wondering if any 4's out there have used this. Steve Zicree http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:42 AM PST US From: Knicholas2@aol.com Subject: RV-List: traffic warning scopes --> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com In this very busy Seattle airspace, I am considering an in-cockpit traffic warning scope. I have checked several suppliers and there are 2 manufactures on the market. Does anyone have any experience with these units? Good and/or bad? Thanks! Kim Nicholas RV9A - flying. 13 hours Seattle ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:59 AM PST US From: "Moore, Warren" Subject: RE: RV-List: Root Fairings for RV4 --> RV-List message posted by: "Moore, Warren" I went with aluminum/rubber root fairings insted of the fiberglass on my rv4. Glad I did, was easy to do, used .025 alum. shaped by hand. Looks a lot better...and no fiberglass. I had to modify bracket that attaches the front of the fuel tank to the fuselage. If built to plans the bracket on the fuselage is too large (wide) and will interfere with the aluminum strips. Get a copy of the RV6 plans and copy those. Bought the rubber molding from ACS. -----Original Message----- From: steve zicree [mailto:szicree@adelphia.net] Subject: RV-List: Root Fairings for RV4 --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" Can anybody tell me what the conventional wisdom is on root fairings? My 4 kit has some fiberglass for the front and some curved aluminum for the top. I've seen several pics of 6's that appear to just use a flat strip with what looks like some kind of rubber molding. I like the idea a lot and am wondering if any 4's out there have used this. Steve Zicree ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:04 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" , Subject: RV-List: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ Over the past few days I put together a cool (at least I think so) new tool for the RV community. It's a weight & balance database. Enter the data for your aircraft, and it gives you sample loading scenarios and lets you analyze custom loading scenarios. What's great about doing this in a central place is: 1) It's web-based and is accessible from anywhere (i.e. the computer at some random FBO). You don't need your excel spreadsheet anymore. 2) It keeps track of the essential aircraft attributes, like engine make & model, propeller type & material, etc. Over time we'll be able to do some interesting aggregate queries -- for example, builders will be able to take a "cross section" of the data and say: Let me analyze a sample loading scenario on a VIRTUAL AIRCRAFT, one that represents the "average RV-whatever with an IO-whatever and 3-blade whatever." I think the aggregate information that this system can provide will become very interesting to builders. I base this statement off the many requests I've seen on the email lists for stuff like "Can somebody with X configuration tell me what the CG ends up being?" FYI -- the core aircraft fields are catered to 2-seat RVs with a single baggage area. But you're not confined to just that...you can use "dynamic stations" to add your own custom loading points, such as "Wingtip Lockers" or "Fwd Baggage" or "Bomb Bay" or whatever you want. Hopefully you guys find this useful -- it serves fliers now and it serves builders in the future. Even if you don't see yourself using the weight & balance analyzer very often, I encourage you at least to enter your aircraft's data...which will help build the system on an aggregate level. http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ It's a brand new system, so there are bound to be some bugs...let me know if you see anything funky! Enjoy, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com P.S. -- Thanks to Carl Morgan for beta testing and coming up with some great suggestions. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:49 AM PST US From: Kathleen@rv7.us Subject: RV-List: Bottom Airbox or Forward Facing 0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO --> RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us I'm over my head on this one! Some engine suppliers are telling me that the forward facing injection is, "like adding 10 extra horsepower" to an engine. Others say, "it really isn't worth it, because it makes little or no difference." I suppose it's somewhere in between, but what do you think -- those of you who have comparative experience? Best Wishes, Kathleen Evans www.rv7.us -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Knicholas2@aol.com Subject: RV-List: traffic warning scopes --> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com In this very busy Seattle airspace, I am considering an in-cockpit traffic warning scope. I have checked several suppliers and there are 2 manufactures on the market. Does anyone have any experience with these units? Good and/or bad? Thanks! Kim Nicholas RV9A - flying. 13 hours Seattle ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:58 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Putting Air In Tires... --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Larry, I certainly agree. It doesn't take much of a leak to lose air from one of these small tires. Here is part of what I posted earlier: I made up a tool to hold and turn the old screwdriver type of valve cap -- the kind you used to have on your bicycle that necks down to about 1/8 inch.=A0 The tool is a piece of 1/4 in. od aluminum tubing with a hole drilled across it and a nail peened into the hole.=A0 With this tool I can reach in and take off the valve cap, and put it back on. The caps I use do seal off the stem and core. Dan Hopper RV-7A N766DH (Flying about 61 hours now) In a message dated 10/25/04 7:27:44 AM US Eastern Standard Time, lhelming@sigecom.net writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" > > Overkill? Seems that removing and replacing the stem cap should be most > important. Without the stem cap, dirt can enter and settle in the valve > opening. Then,,,,When you put in air next time, some of that dirt gets > moved a bit and settles along the edge of the air tight fitting; and you > have just built in an air leak because you did not use a stem cap. > Best to keep dirt out of the stem. Remove and replace cap each time you > need to add air. > > Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker" > > The sincerest satisfactions in life come in doing and not dodging duty; > in meeting and solving problems, in facing facts; > in flying a virgin plane never flown before. > - Richard L. Evans &Larry R Helming > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernest Kells" > To: "(RV LIST)" > Subject: Re: RV-List: Putting Air In Tires... > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:36 AM PST US From: "Dennis Persyk" Subject: RV-List: (OT) Marry Me, Megan --> RV-List message posted by: "Dennis Persyk" This image has nothing to do with RVs. I was so captivated by the subject I just had to photograph it! Image at http://home.att.net/~dpersyk/new.htm My RV-related page at http://home.att.net/~dpersyk/rv6a.htm Thank you for visiting my site. Clear skies, Dennis Persyk RV6A N600DP sold Hampshire, IL ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:54 AM PST US From: Kathleen@rv7.us Subject: RV-List: Counterweighted Crank 0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO --> RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us What differences or problems should I expect with a non-counterbalanced angle valve Lycoming with a CS prop? Anybody have experience with this combo? I am getting very close to my engine choice, but it's these little things! :-) Kathleen Evans www.rv7.us -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David E. Nelson Subject: RE: RV-List: Diesel --> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" I too have been keeping a close eye on the DeltaHawk. I've finally marked it "mostly" off my list. Now, I'm still couple/serveral/many years away from an engine purchase so my opinion may change. My painpoints where: - Very very new. - When it/something breaks what about parts? I know they are trying to get a distribution network going but I don't believe it exists today. - What happens if they don't make it and 5/10/... yrs from now I need a part that only they can supply. - Diesel is heavier than 100LL. According to Chevron/Texaco, their diesel is 6.76 lb/gal compared to 5.8 lb/gal for 100LL - ~15% heavier. That's 49lbs of extra weight for full tanks. - Unlike in Europe, the price difference between Jet-A and 100LL doesn't seem to justify itself. A recent check on www.AirNav.com shows that the average price in the Austin,TX area is $2.69/gal for 100LL and $2.70/gal for Jet-A. However, deals can be had ($2.18/gal for 100LL and $2.05/gal for Jet-A) if you're willing to travel a small distance). At this point, I don't think it makes economic sense - at least not for me. I'm really excited for DH and hope that they make it. Regards, /\/elson Austin, TX RV-7A ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:11 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Bottom Airbox or Forward Facing --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski The best part of injection is to be able to adjust each jet so every cylinder will peak at the same time. More good news you dont need GAMI injectors ($800) to do this, Air Flow Performance can for tweak each injector for $15 each! My cylinders peak with in .1 GPH of each other. Good for .3~.7 GPH savings. Now if you want to run LOP you can save about 1 to 1.5 GPH total. The engine also runs smoother with balanced fuel flow. Need an engine analyzer to do this though. You do have one right, how can you not on a $20K engine? At least thats the way I look at it. I know a guy who told me that if it was not for his engine analyzer he would have continued flying and 99% sure, would have blown a cylinder off his engine, the bolts/studs that retain the cylinder, most had snapped off and it was probably a matter of minutes before the cylinder launched. Because of his analyzer he was able to see a problem and land. As far as added HP I would say it may add a couple on a good day. At 10:27 AM 10/25/2004 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us > >I'm over my head on this one! Some engine suppliers are telling me that the >forward facing injection is, "like adding 10 extra horsepower" to an engine. >Others say, "it really isn't worth it, because it makes little or no >difference." I suppose it's somewhere in between, but what do you think -- >those of you who have comparative experience? > >Best Wishes, > >Kathleen Evans >www.rv7.us > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Knicholas2@aol.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: traffic warning scopes > >--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com > >In this very busy Seattle airspace, I am considering an in-cockpit traffic > >warning scope. I have checked several suppliers and there are 2 >manufactures on the market. Does anyone have any experience with these >units? Good >and/or bad? > >Thanks! > >Kim Nicholas >RV9A - flying. 13 hours >Seattle > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:09 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Counterweighted Crank --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Kathleen, I came across my engine on (would you believe) eBay! It was an IO-360-C1E6 which has the counterweights. I had to put a -A1A sump on it to clear the engine mount on my 7A because the sump sets farther aft on the -C1E6. That should make my engine a -A1B6. Now all this has nothing to do with counterweights, except to make you aware that some other things can get you too! I am in the process of overhauling the -A1A core that I bought for the sump. I just bought an overhauled crankshaft which does not have counterweights. These cranks are hard to find, and expensive -- $2900 after shopping around. This crankshaft has the advantage of being lighter (duh!), but also the connecting rods are lighter too, so I'm told. From Van's manual there is a warning, "Avoid continuous operation between 2000 and 2250 r.p.m." for the -A1A (no counterweights) for the Hartzell constant speed prop. I don't think that would be much of a factor, as I usually cruise at 2300 or above. I'll be interested in seeing what the listers have to say about this subject. Dan Hopper RV-7A N766DH (Flying -- 61 hours) In a message dated 10/25/04 1:04:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Kathleen@rv7.us writes: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us > > What differences or problems should I expect with a non-counterbalanced > angle valve Lycoming with a CS prop? Anybody have experience with this > combo? I am getting very close to my engine choice, but it's these little > things! :-) > > Kathleen Evans > www.rv7.us > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:06 AM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: traffic warning scopes --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" The April 2004 issue of Aviation Consumer rated both Monroy and SureCheck, but also mentions another one called the ProxAlert. I think they have done a follow-up on them since April, but I don't have it at hand. Terry RV-8A wiring Seattle (Lake Forest Park) --> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com In this very busy Seattle airspace, I am considering an in-cockpit traffic warning scope. I have checked several suppliers and there are 2 manufactures on the market. Does anyone have any experience with these units? Good and/or bad? Thanks! Kim Nicholas RV9A - flying. 13 hours Seattle ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:06 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Hey cool tool Dan. By entering the data we have now confirmed for the world: 1. Im over weight, 2. Past the CG limits 3. Violating all of Vans recommended numbers.. Oh well, what else is new? Thanks for goofing off and building another cool tool for us. Mike Stewart S8 with even greater chance of making 1-3 even worse:) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com; dan@rvproject.com Subject: RV-List: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ Over the past few days I put together a cool (at least I think so) new tool for the RV community. It's a weight & balance database. Enter the data for your aircraft, and it gives you sample loading scenarios and lets you analyze custom loading scenarios. What's great about doing this in a central place is: 1) It's web-based and is accessible from anywhere (i.e. the computer at some random FBO). You don't need your excel spreadsheet anymore. 2) It keeps track of the essential aircraft attributes, like engine make & model, propeller type & material, etc. Over time we'll be able to do some interesting aggregate queries -- for example, builders will be able to take a "cross section" of the data and say: Let me analyze a sample loading scenario on a VIRTUAL AIRCRAFT, one that represents the "average RV-whatever with an IO-whatever and 3-blade whatever." I think the aggregate information that this system can provide will become very interesting to builders. I base this statement off the many requests I've seen on the email lists for stuff like "Can somebody with X configuration tell me what the CG ends up being?" FYI -- the core aircraft fields are catered to 2-seat RVs with a single baggage area. But you're not confined to just that...you can use "dynamic stations" to add your own custom loading points, such as "Wingtip Lockers" or "Fwd Baggage" or "Bomb Bay" or whatever you want. Hopefully you guys find this useful -- it serves fliers now and it serves builders in the future. Even if you don't see yourself using the weight & balance analyzer very often, I encourage you at least to enter your aircraft's data...which will help build the system on an aggregate level. http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ It's a brand new system, so there are bound to be some bugs...let me know if you see anything funky! Enjoy, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com P.S. -- Thanks to Carl Morgan for beta testing and coming up with some great suggestions. == == == == ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:46 AM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: Re: RV-List: Bottom Airbox or Forward Facing --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) What specifically are you looking for on this analyzer to tell you indirectly that you are about to loose a jug? And would the GRT EIS 4000 "tell" you this with its automated engine monitoring function? -------------- Original message -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > The best part of injection is to be able to adjust each jet so every > cylinder will peak at the same time. More good news you dont need GAMI > injectors ($800) to do this, Air Flow Performance can for tweak each > injector for $15 each! My cylinders peak with in .1 GPH of each other. Good > for .3~.7 GPH savings. Now if you want to run LOP you can save about 1 to > 1.5 GPH total. The engine also runs smoother with balanced fuel flow. Need > an engine analyzer to do this though. You do have one right, how can you > not on a $20K engine? At least thats the way I look at it. I know a guy who > told me that if it was not for his engine analyzer he would have continued > flying and 99% sure, would have blown a cylinder off his engine, the > bolts/studs that retain the cylinder, most had snapped off and it was > probably a matter of minutes before the cylinder launched. Because of his > analyzer he was able to see a problem and land. As far as added HP I would > say it may add a couple on a good day. > > > At 10:27 AM 10/25/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us > > > >I'm over my head on this one! Some engine suppliers are telling me that the > >forward facing injection is, "like adding 10 extra horsepower" to an engine. > >Others say, "it really isn't worth it, because it makes little or no > >difference." I suppose it's somewhere in between, but what do you think -- > >those of you who have comparative experience? > > > >Best Wishes, > > > >Kathleen Evans > >www.rv7.us > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Knicholas2@aol.com > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: traffic warning scopes > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com > > > >In this very busy Seattle airspace, I am considering an in-cockpit traffic > > > >warning scope. I have checked several suppliers and there are 2 > >manufactures on the market. Does anyone have any experience with these > >units? Good > >and/or bad? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Kim Nicholas > >RV9A - flying. 13 hours > >Seattle > > > > > > > Scott Bilinski > Eng dept 305 > Phone (858) 657-2536 > Pager (858) 502-5190 > > > > > > What specifically are you looking for on this analyzer to tell you indirectly that you are about to loose a jug? And would the GRT EIS 4000 "tell" you this with its automated engine monitoring function? -------------- Original message -------------- -- RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski The best part of injection is to be able to adjust each jet so every cylinder will peak at the same time. More good news you dont need GAMI injectors ($800) to do this, Air Flow Performance can for tweak each injector for $15 each! My cylinders peak with in .1 GPH of each other. Good for .3~.7 GPH savings. Now if you want to run LOP you can save about 1 to 1.5 GPH total. The engine also runs smoother with balanced fuel flow. Need an engine analyzer to do this though. You do have one right, how can you not on a $20K engine? At least thats the way I look at it. I know a guy who told me that if it was not for his engine analyzer he would have continued flyin g and 99% sure, would have blown a cylinder off his engine, the bolts/studs that retain the cylinder, most had snapped off and it was probably a matter of minutes before the cylinder launched. Because of his analyzer he was able to see a problem and land. As far as added HP I would say it may add a couple on a good day. At 10:27 AM 10/25/2004 -0700, you wrote: -- RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us I'm over my head on this one! Some engine suppliers are telling me that the forward facing injection is, "like adding 10 extra horsepower" to an engine. Others say, "it really isn't worth it, because it makes little or no difference." I suppose it's somewhere in between, but what do you think -- those of you who have comparative experience? Best Wishes, Kathleen Ev ans www.rv7.us -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Knicholas2@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: traffic warning scopes -- RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com In this very busy Seattle airspace, I am considering an in-cockpit traffic warning scope. I have checked several suppliers and there are 2 manufactures on the market. Does anyone have any experience with these units? Good and/or bad? Thanks! Kim Nicholas RV9A - flying. 13 hours Seattle Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 Digests: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:54 AM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: Re: RV-List: Bottom Airbox or Forward Facing --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) What specifically are you looking for on this analyzer to tell you indirectly that you are about to loose a jug? And would the GRT EIS 4000 "tell" you this with its automated engine monitoring function? -------------- Original message -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > The best part of injection is to be able to adjust each jet so every > cylinder will peak at the same time. More good news you dont need GAMI > injectors ($800) to do this, Air Flow Performance can for tweak each > injector for $15 each! My cylinders peak with in .1 GPH of each other. Good > for .3~.7 GPH savings. Now if you want to run LOP you can save about 1 to > 1.5 GPH total. The engine also runs smoother with balanced fuel flow. Need > an engine analyzer to do this though. You do have one right, how can you > not on a $20K engine? At least thats the way I look at it. I know a guy who > told me that if it was not for his engine analyzer he would have continued > flying and 99% sure, would have blown a cylinder off his engine, the > bolts/studs that retain the cylinder, most had snapped off and it was > probably a matter of minutes before the cylinder launched. Because of his > analyzer he was able to see a problem and land. As far as added HP I would > say it may add a couple on a good day. > > > At 10:27 AM 10/25/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us > > > >I'm over my head on this one! Some engine suppliers are telling me that the > >forward facing injection is, "like adding 10 extra horsepower" to an engine. > >Others say, "it really isn't worth it, because it makes little or no > >difference." I suppose it's somewhere in between, but what do you think -- > >those of you who have comparative experience? > > > >Best Wishes, > > > >Kathleen Evans > >www.rv7.us > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Knicholas2@aol.com > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: traffic warning scopes > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com > > > >In this very busy Seattle airspace, I am considering an in-cockpit traffic > > > >warning scope. I have checked several suppliers and there are 2 > >manufactures on the market. Does anyone have any experience with these > >units? Good > >and/or bad? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Kim Nicholas > >RV9A - flying. 13 hours > >Seattle > > > > > > > Scott Bilinski > Eng dept 305 > Phone (858) 657-2536 > Pager (858) 502-5190 > > > > > > What specifically are you looking for on this analyzer to tell you indirectly that you are about to loose a jug? And would the GRT EIS 4000 "tell" you this with its automated engine monitoring function? -------------- Original message -------------- -- RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski The best part of injection is to be able to adjust each jet so every cylinder will peak at the same time. More good news you dont need GAMI injectors ($800) to do this, Air Flow Performance can for tweak each injector for $15 each! My cylinders peak with in .1 GPH of each other. Good for .3~.7 GPH savings. Now if you want to run LOP you can save about 1 to 1.5 GPH total. The engine also runs smoother with balanced fuel flow. Need an engine analyzer to do this though. You do have one right, how can you not on a $20K engine? At least thats the way I look at it. I know a guy who told me that if it was not for his engine analyzer he would have continued flyin g and 99% sure, would have blown a cylinder off his engine, the bolts/studs that retain the cylinder, most had snapped off and it was probably a matter of minutes before the cylinder launched. Because of his analyzer he was able to see a problem and land. As far as added HP I would say it may add a couple on a good day. At 10:27 AM 10/25/2004 -0700, you wrote: -- RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us I'm over my head on this one! Some engine suppliers are telling me that the forward facing injection is, "like adding 10 extra horsepower" to an engine. Others say, "it really isn't worth it, because it makes little or no difference." I suppose it's somewhere in between, but what do you think -- those of you who have comparative experience? Best Wishes, Kathleen Ev ans www.rv7.us -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Knicholas2@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: traffic warning scopes -- RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com In this very busy Seattle airspace, I am considering an in-cockpit traffic warning scope. I have checked several suppliers and there are 2 manufactures on the market. Does anyone have any experience with these units? Good and/or bad? Thanks! Kim Nicholas RV9A - flying. 13 hours Seattle Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 Digests: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:22 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Forgot to mention...if I left off any propeller manufacturers (I see some people have already selected "Other") just let me know what they are and I'll add 'em. do not archive )_( Dan ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:15 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Bob Olds ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bob Olds Subject: RV-4 Canopy Latch Bars http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.10.25.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:12 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Putting Air In Tires... --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Hate to beat a dead horse but I posted on "photo share" 7-27-2003 pictures of a wheel pants mod to gain access to put air in the tires. Old photos, finish product looks a LOT better but there are 4 photo's and a parts list. It's quick, cheap and it works. KABONG Do Not Archive HRII N561FS 200hr plus Subject: Re: RV-List: Putting Air In Tires... > --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:36 PM PST US From: "Scott VanArtsdalen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" Howzabout Catto Props? Great gadget! When do the graphic envelopes get implemented? :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Subject: RV-List: Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Forgot to mention...if I left off any propeller manufacturers (I see some people have already selected "Other") just let me know what they are and I'll add 'em. do not archive )_( Dan == == == == ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:46 PM PST US From: "Ross Mickey" Subject: RE: RV-List: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" Dan, I entered my empty cg of 67.9 and the program changed it to 0.06. Ross Mickey N9PT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com; dan@rvproject.com Subject: RV-List: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ Over the past few days I put together a cool (at least I think so) new tool for the RV community. It's a weight & balance database. Enter the data for your aircraft, and it gives you sample loading scenarios and lets you analyze custom loading scenarios. What's great about doing this in a central place is: 1) It's web-based and is accessible from anywhere (i.e. the computer at some random FBO). You don't need your excel spreadsheet anymore. 2) It keeps track of the essential aircraft attributes, like engine make & model, propeller type & material, etc. Over time we'll be able to do some interesting aggregate queries -- for example, builders will be able to take a "cross section" of the data and say: Let me analyze a sample loading scenario on a VIRTUAL AIRCRAFT, one that represents the "average RV-whatever with an IO-whatever and 3-blade whatever." I think the aggregate information that this system can provide will become very interesting to builders. I base this statement off the many requests I've seen on the email lists for stuff like "Can somebody with X configuration tell me what the CG ends up being?" FYI -- the core aircraft fields are catered to 2-seat RVs with a single baggage area. But you're not confined to just that...you can use "dynamic stations" to add your own custom loading points, such as "Wingtip Lockers" or "Fwd Baggage" or "Bomb Bay" or whatever you want. Hopefully you guys find this useful -- it serves fliers now and it serves builders in the future. Even if you don't see yourself using the weight & balance analyzer very often, I encourage you at least to enter your aircraft's data...which will help build the system on an aggregate level. http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ It's a brand new system, so there are bound to be some bugs...let me know if you see anything funky! Enjoy, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com P.S. -- Thanks to Carl Morgan for beta testing and coming up with some great suggestions. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:01 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > Howzabout Catto Props? Great gadget! When do the graphic envelopes get > implemented? :-) In there. Thanks. I've added Hamilton Standard, Sterba, Aymar-Demuth, and Catto. Any others, just email me offline and I'll get 'em in there asap. Graphic envelope...coming soon... do not archive )_( Dan ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:11 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Counterweighted Crank --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" My .02.... With my choice of an MT CS three blade prop - MT recommended the counterweighted crankshaft for over 160HP. No personal experience - but I have been told that the counterweights add a significant amount of smoothness..... Ralph Capen -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen@rv7.us Subject: RV-List: Counterweighted Crank --> RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us What differences or problems should I expect with a non-counterbalanced angle valve Lycoming with a CS prop? Anybody have experience with this combo? I am getting very close to my engine choice, but it's these little things! :-) Kathleen Evans www.rv7.us -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David E. Nelson Subject: RE: RV-List: Diesel --> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" I too have been keeping a close eye on the DeltaHawk. I've finally marked it "mostly" off my list. Now, I'm still couple/serveral/many years away from an engine purchase so my opinion may change. My painpoints where: - Very very new. - When it/something breaks what about parts? I know they are trying to get a distribution network going but I don't believe it exists today. - What happens if they don't make it and 5/10/... yrs from now I need a part that only they can supply. - Diesel is heavier than 100LL. According to Chevron/Texaco, their diesel is 6.76 lb/gal compared to 5.8 lb/gal for 100LL - ~15% heavier. That's 49lbs of extra weight for full tanks. - Unlike in Europe, the price difference between Jet-A and 100LL doesn't seem to justify itself. A recent check on www.AirNav.com shows that the average price in the Austin,TX area is $2.69/gal for 100LL and $2.70/gal for Jet-A. However, deals can be had ($2.18/gal for 100LL and $2.05/gal for Jet-A) if you're willing to travel a small distance). At this point, I don't think it makes economic sense - at least not for me. I'm really excited for DH and hope that they make it. Regards, /\/elson Austin, TX RV-7A ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:17 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > I entered my empty cg of 67.9 and the program changed it to 0.06. You entered your empty CG where it asked for the empty MOMENT. 8-) I fixed it in the db. I saw a few people did this, so I added a little warning that will detect this and prevent it from happening. do not archive )_( Dan ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:28 PM PST US From: "Wayne Glasser" Subject: Re: RV-List: Counterweighted Crank --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" Kathleen All constant speed propeller manufacturers, both metal and composite, with the exception of Aero Composites, state that with a non counterweighted crankshaft you must not run the engine continuously in the 2000-2300 rpm range. Wayne Glasser ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Counterweighted Crank > --> RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us > > What differences or problems should I expect with a non-counterbalanced > angle valve Lycoming with a CS prop? Anybody have experience with this > combo? I am getting very close to my engine choice, but it's these little > things! :-) > > Kathleen Evans > www.rv7.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David E. Nelson > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Diesel > > --> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" > > > I too have been keeping a close eye on the DeltaHawk. I've finally marked > it > "mostly" off my list. Now, I'm still couple/serveral/many years away from > an > engine purchase so my opinion may change. > > My painpoints where: > > - Very very new. > > - When it/something breaks what about parts? I know they are trying to > get > a > distribution network going but I don't believe it exists today. > > - What happens if they don't make it and 5/10/... yrs from now I need a > part > > that only they can supply. > > - Diesel is heavier than 100LL. According to Chevron/Texaco, their diesel > is > 6.76 lb/gal compared to 5.8 lb/gal for 100LL - ~15% heavier. That's 49lbs > of > extra weight for full tanks. > > - Unlike in Europe, the price difference between Jet-A and 100LL doesn't > seem > to justify itself. A recent check on www.AirNav.com shows that the > average > price in the Austin,TX area is $2.69/gal for 100LL and $2.70/gal for > Jet-A. > However, deals can be had ($2.18/gal for 100LL and $2.05/gal for Jet-A) if > you're willing to travel a small distance). > > At this point, I don't think it makes economic sense - at least not for > me. > > I'm really excited for DH and hope that they make it. > > Regards, > /\/elson > Austin, TX > RV-7A > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:28 PM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Airparks... vansairforce --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Anyone living in or around Plano, TX know of any hangar space available and the costs... Also, anyone know of any airparks in the area that are affordable? -Bill ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:30 PM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Scratches in aluminum --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" David, Depending on how deep the scratches you may just be able to buff them a little with a scotchbrite wheel and prime them, or if the scratches are too deep you may just want to scape the piece and start over. Losing the alclad covering itself is not a reason to scrape the piece provided you substitute the alclad with primer. Mike Robertson >From: "David" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: "RV-List" >Subject: RV-List: Scratches in aluminum >Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:50:01 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "David" > >While drilling the lightening holes in the W-621 flap braces, >I managed to get some chips between the brace and the board it was resting >on---on the drill press. Due to the oscillations of the flap brace as the >fly cutter was doing its job, these shavings marred the surface of the >aluminum. It takes some pretty aggressive use of the scotchbrite wheel to >remove these while surely removing all of the alclad as well >as some percentage of the thickness of the part. My question is: > >1) Lightly touch up the area with a scotchbrite wheel while > not totally removing the scratch? >2) Use the scothbrite wheel to completely remove the > scratch? >3) Scrap the part and start over? > >This is not just one scratch. > >Thanks, > >David Kirby >RV6A-QB >Griffin, Ga. > > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:36 PM PST US From: "Scott VanArtsdalen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott VanArtsdalen" Too cool! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > Howzabout Catto Props? Great gadget! When do the graphic envelopes get > implemented? :-) In there. Thanks. I've added Hamilton Standard, Sterba, Aymar-Demuth, and Catto. Any others, just email me offline and I'll get 'em in there asap. Graphic envelope...coming soon... do not archive )_( Dan == == == == ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:30 PM PST US From: RobHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail Lynx tailwheel springs --> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com I have been using them for 2 years and they work great! Rob Hickman N401RH RV-4 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:36 PM PST US From: Aircraft Spruce Subject: RV-List: ACS - RV Control Cables --> RV-List message posted by: Aircraft Spruce RV CONTROLS CABLES: One of our customers recently posted a message to the group about two special order ACS controls that he was stuck with because they did not work properly for his RV. Aircraft Spruce has accepted them back and issued a credit for them, but we thought we better make some new part numbers for controls for the Vans series aircraft to spare other builders this problem. We now have A1760 Cans control cables under part number 05-01435 and A800 Vans control cable under part number 05-01436 both at $139.00. The builder will need to specify the knob color, overall length, and the stroke length (from several choices) when ordering. Standard A1760 and A800 controls will not work for RV aircraft but these special Vans controls from ACS Products Co. will work very well in RV applications. Jim Irwin, President, Aircraft Spruce _______________________________ Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:13 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Too many lists? --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" Here, here! I find the RV-list to be THE best overall tool for exchanging information. Immediate posting of questions and answers (no moderators), and a vast storehouse of knowledge in the easy-to-search archives. Sure, there is junk content (perhaps this note?), but the delete key hasn't failed anyone yet... Which brings up my main point: Since we already have a huge storehouse of knowledge in the RV-list Archives, why diminish the usefulness of that tool by using other forums? In the end, multiple forums are a recipe for inefficiency, with data spread among numerous websites, and no single place to go when you need an answer (or opinion) at 3:00 AM.... Quite frankly, the total volume of posts on the collective RV-related lists would go down by 75% or more if people would take 5 minutes to search the RV-list Archives before they post. KB Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Subject: RE: RV-List: Too many lists? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > Mickey you will not get that. The Yahoo groups do not get crawled by > google. > My major issue with Yahoo has been its search ability. Searching the > yahoo groups are useless. It is pointless to go through an intelligent > Yahoo discussion of future need to know items if you cant get to it > later. > > Yahoo groups are VERY GOOD for day to day information exchange. Perfect > for local people to keep up to speed with each other. But as far as a > global exchange of information for our kids to learn from, forget it. > > The rv-list has saved my butt more than 100 times when I needed and > answer to a ? and I have no doubt my life would have been even more > miserable building the 6 w/o the rv-list and its years of information to > search. > > I do not bother getting involved with other BB's as there is no way to > know if they will be there in the future to get the information from. I > personally need only 2 lists. > 1. RV-list for intelligent exchange of information by some very > intelligent people for future reference. > 2. Yahoo groups for local day to day stuff as a communication babble > tool > > Mike Stewart > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Too many lists? > > --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > >>That's what Google is for! It will find it on Matt's list or just > about >>any where else it might be. > > I have not been able to get Google to find information > on the Yahoo groups. Is there a trick that I don't > know about? > > Thanks, > Mickey > > > -- > Mickey Coggins > http://www.rv8.ch/ > #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage > > > == > == > == > == > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:24 PM PST US From: "David" Subject: Re: RV-List: Scratches in aluminum --> RV-List message posted by: "David" The more I read, the more I wonder. Is there any such thing as a superficial scratch, or is anything deeper than a scratch made by a scotchbrite pad too deep? If a 10% depth is the limit for buffing out does a 1% depth or 1/2% depth or any other seemingly insignificant scratch need to be addressed at all? I've got a gazillion of these, some of which were caused simply by drilling a hole where the still attatched waste was spinning with the bit. Others were are caused simply by fitting and refitting parts. I may just be over cautious, but if I'm going to do this, I want to do it right. P.S.---How do I determine the depth of a scratch? Thanks again, David Kirby RV6A-QB Griffin, Ga. On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ======================================================================== > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:54 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: RV-List: RV8 seats --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Hi, Anyone have some suggestions of people that make RV8 seats and/or covers? I've tried flightline interiors, but they don't seem to make RV8 seats, according to their website. I've got a set of the Jon Johanson seats, but I don't think I'll use those. Thanks, Mickey -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:30 PM PST US From: "Michael Saffold" Subject: RV-List: O-320 needed --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Saffold" I'm looking for a mid to high time ready to fly O-320 for my RV-7 project. I know putting a 320 in a 7 is odd. In fact, Vans said they never sell that engine mount. Here is my plan and I welcome input: I think rotary engines have some interesting characteristics and plan on going that way. Unfortunately there are no real firewall forward systems available. So, you pretty much have to role your own installation. Not terribly difficult, but I do think very time consuming. I'm going to install an O-320 and a very basic VFR panel now, to get in the air as quickly and cheaply as possible. This will be what I call my RV-7Mk1. Then, when I start looking at my empty workshop and get the itch to start building again, I will begin RV-7Mk2. I can tinker with the Renesis rotary engine on a test stand in my workshop and still enjoy flying Mk1. Custom ceramic coated exhaust fabrication, supercharger install, etc etc. can all be worked on while still flying Mk1. All my projects get hit by the "while your doing that you might as well do this" syndrome and with all the custom mods I have in mind for the RV it occurred to me I might never get into the air. I believe every modification to the stock plans adds a bunch of time and unforeseen consequences. Custom carbon fiber instrument panels, left side throttle quadrants, home made EFIS etc etc. Of course I'll have to take the plane off line for installation but I will have been flying it for over a year or so anyway. I may not even lose much when I sell the 320. Thoughts on this two phase idea and any leads on an O-320 very much appreciated. Michael L Saffold Phoenix AZ My (badly in need of updating) RV-7 website: http://members.cox.net/msaffold ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:01 PM PST US From: John Ammeter Subject: Re: RV-List: O-320 needed --> RV-List message posted by: John Ammeter On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:49:11 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Saffold" > >I'm looking for a mid to high time ready to fly O-320 for my RV-7 project. > >I know putting a 320 in a 7 is odd. In fact, Vans said they never sell that engine mount. > Michael: What is odd about installing an O-320 in an RV-7? Do not archive. John Ammeter ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:01 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Too many lists? --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton I'm using Eudora, but there are probably other equally good e-mail programs around. I'm using Eudora. http://www.eudora.com/ I'm using the Mac version, but I think the Windows version has a similar set of features. I'm using it in "Sponsored" mode, which means it has a little square window with an ad in it. "Free" mode has no adds, but fewer features. "Paid" mode has no adds, and it also has spam filtering. I use PopFile, a very good, free e-mail filter to take care of my span, so I don't need Eudora's "Paid" mode. Kevin Horton do not archive >--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" > >So what e-mail reader are you using? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Horton" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Too many lists? > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >> >> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Aaron Frechette" > >> > >> >Tedd, >> > >> >I have to say that I don't see how The List is doing a 'good' job of >items 1 >> >through 4, set aside 5. I actually feel like item 5 is a good feature to >> >have at times. Nothing like having the picture right there to help >> >communicate a point. >> > >> >1. Message presentation by thread or by date >> >2. Option for web browsing or individual e-mails sent >> >3. Good search functionality >> >4. Good categorization >> >5. Ability to include pics and files WITH messages >> >6. Ability to post & store pictures in a gallery >> >7. Ability to post & store files someplace central >> > >> >I suppose it has to do with the standards by which you judge these >criteria. >> >I personally feel like the mailing lists are an cumbersome means for >sharing >> >and organizing information when compared to discussion boards like, for >> >example www.glocktalk.com, which runs on vBulletin. IMO, going from a >board >> >like this to The List is like going from Windows back to DOS. Well, >maybe >> >not that extreme. I'll just say that web boards work well for me. >> > >> >Aaron Frechette >> >> In large part it depends on what e-mail client you use, and what you >> do with the messages after you get them. My e-mail client will sort >> messages by thread, and sort the threads by date. I read the threads >> with interesting subject lines, and delete the others. If I ever see >> a message with a good idea I change the subject to be more >> descriptive, then save a copy in a folder, with a different folder >> for each main area of interest. My e-mail client has an excellent >> search function, so I can quickly find a saved message years later if >> need be. >> -- >> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) >> Ottawa, Canada > > http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ >> > > ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:34 PM PST US From: "Erdmann's" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV8 seats --> RV-List message posted by: "Erdmann's" Hi Mickey, Yes, we do make the seats for the RV8, I haven't had a chance to update the website. Let me know if you have any other questions. Thank you, Abby Flightline Interiors ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mickey Coggins" Subject: RV-List: RV8 seats > --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > Hi, > > Anyone have some suggestions of people that make > RV8 seats and/or covers? I've tried flightline > interiors, but they don't seem to make RV8 seats, > according to their website. I've got a set of > the Jon Johanson seats, but I don't think I'll > use those. > > Thanks, > Mickey > > -- > Mickey Coggins > http://www.rv8.ch/ > #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage > > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:30 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: RE: RV-List: Diesel --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" > >- Diesel is heavier than 100LL. According to Chevron/Texaco, their diesel is >6.76 lb/gal compared to 5.8 lb/gal for 100LL - ~15% heavier. That's 49lbs of >extra weight for full tanks. But, diesel fuel has more energy per gallon too, so it's like you get bigger gas tanks without having to make the mod yourself. And the diesel engine burns less weight fuel to make the same amount of power. So even if you put the same weight diesel fuel as you would get with full tanks of gasoline, you can fly further with diesel power than with gasoline. The higher density is a plus, not a minus. You don't need to fill the tanks all the way up if you don't want to. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:44 PM PST US From: "David Schaefer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? --> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" You will be hard pressed to beat the Grand Rapids units. I've been flying them for about a month now and never fail to be amazed at the offerings. If you want HSI you've got one, highway in the sky, vertical navigation etc. etc. you've got it and it keeps getting better with each software revision. They are in my opinion the best cost / performance out there. Regards, David Schaefer RV6A "Geek One" N142DS Flying!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bordelon, Greg Subject: RE: RV-List: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? --> RV-List message posted by: "Bordelon, Greg" Good question Chuck. I want to use it IFR and VFR, today and tomorrow. I want to pull my DG out and throw it on the hangar floor.... and put something electronic in its place, and not an "electric DG" either. I already have an indicator for my Garmin 430....so I don't have to have an HSI function in the DG but would use it if it were there. Anything else is a freebie since I already have all the other necessary IFR flight instruments installed. I saw the BMA G3 Lite (in HSI mode) and wondered if I could use it in place of my DG. I wonder how it would respond in IFR flight. Then I wondered what else might be out there that I had not already considered. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rowbotham Subject: RE: RV-List: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" --> Greg, Are you talking VFR or IFR? Both intially and down the road? Chuck >From: "Bordelon, Greg" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? >Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:07:52 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bordelon, Greg" > >Since no one seems to be flying a Blue Mountain G3 Lite, I thought I >ask "What else is out there as an electronic DG or HSI replacement"? > >I wish to replace my vacuum DG with something electronic but don't want >to spend $10K for a Sandel or King KI-825. > >Any ideas?? > >Thanks - Greg == == == == ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:27 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: O-320 needed --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Michael Saffold wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Saffold" > >I'm looking for a mid to high time ready to fly O-320 for my RV-7 project. > >I know putting a 320 in a 7 is odd. In fact, Vans said they never sell that engine mount. > > > It is the same engine mount as the O-360, you could be talking about the difference between a dynafocal mount and a conical mount. Jerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:53 PM PST US From: "Rhett Westerman" Subject: RE: RV-List: Counterweighted Crank --> RV-List message posted by: "Rhett Westerman" Kathleen, I do not know about the RV-7 but there are C/S MT props that do not require the counterbalanced crank. I know as I have one an 0-360 A1A with an MT prop, although not for the RV-7. It is a function of the plane, engine and prop best, Rhett -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Glasser Subject: Re: RV-List: Counterweighted Crank --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" Kathleen All constant speed propeller manufacturers, both metal and composite, with the exception of Aero Composites, state that with a non counterweighted crankshaft you must not run the engine continuously in the 2000-2300 rpm range. Wayne Glasser ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Counterweighted Crank > --> RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us > > What differences or problems should I expect with a non-counterbalanced > angle valve Lycoming with a CS prop? Anybody have experience with this > combo? I am getting very close to my engine choice, but it's these little > things! :-) > > Kathleen Evans > www.rv7.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David E. Nelson > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Diesel > > --> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" > > > I too have been keeping a close eye on the DeltaHawk. I've finally marked > it > "mostly" off my list. Now, I'm still couple/serveral/many years away from > an > engine purchase so my opinion may change. > > My painpoints where: > > - Very very new. > > - When it/something breaks what about parts? I know they are trying to > get > a > distribution network going but I don't believe it exists today. > > - What happens if they don't make it and 5/10/... yrs from now I need a > part > > that only they can supply. > > - Diesel is heavier than 100LL. According to Chevron/Texaco, their diesel > is > 6.76 lb/gal compared to 5.8 lb/gal for 100LL - ~15% heavier. That's 49lbs > of > extra weight for full tanks. > > - Unlike in Europe, the price difference between Jet-A and 100LL doesn't > seem > to justify itself. A recent check on www.AirNav.com shows that the > average > price in the Austin,TX area is $2.69/gal for 100LL and $2.70/gal for > Jet-A. > However, deals can be had ($2.18/gal for 100LL and $2.05/gal for Jet-A) if > you're willing to travel a small distance). > > At this point, I don't think it makes economic sense - at least not for > me. > > I'm really excited for DH and hope that they make it. > > Regards, > /\/elson > Austin, TX > RV-7A > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:55 PM PST US From: Jim Daniels Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail Lynx tailwheel springs --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Daniels > --> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com > > I have been using them for 2 years and they work great! Hi Rob, i was just curious how much slack you ended up using? The recommended 3/8"per side or something else? Jim Daniels ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:47 PM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: RV-List: Avionics cooling --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" Has anyone out there used a blast tube from the naca fresh air vents to cool their avionics stack? What's the good and the bad --- from experience please, not conjecture. I've installed a small fan from a computer and directed it at the radio stack but I don't think it's doing the job of cooling, especially when I've got the heater vent on. I've checked the archives and found seven listings, none which answer my question. Chuck Weyant RV9A --- 32 hours and loving it!!! ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:20 PM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV8 seats --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" Let me put in my two cents worth Mickey. I just had Abby do a complete interior for my recently completed 9A. I can tell you that her work is as advertised and attested to by those of us who have bought her interiors. Even after all the build up, I was still shocked at the quality and completeness of her pieces when I opened the box. I've heard great things about Becki O. too, but there's more work to do with hers. All of Abby's stuff is precut, even the foam for under the floor matting! And it fits perfectly! Thanks Abby, you're a pro! Chuck Weyant N8058V RV9A --- 30 hours! > Hi Mickey, Yes, we do make the seats for the RV8, I haven't had a chance > to update the website. Let me know if you have any other questions. > Thank you, Abby > Flightline Interiors > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mickey Coggins" > To: > Subject: RV-List: RV8 seats > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > > > Hi, > > > > Anyone have some suggestions of people that make > > RV8 seats and/or covers? I've tried flightline > > interiors, but they don't seem to make RV8 seats, > > according to their website. I've got a set of > > the Jon Johanson seats, but I don't think I'll > > use those. > > > > Thanks, > > Mickey ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:15 PM PST US From: Richard Scott Subject: RV-List: Re: Putting Air In Tires... --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott I haven't tried this yet, but guys at my airport suggested using that tire stop leak that comes in a spray can. Supposed to make aircraft tubes stop leaking down so fast. Might work! Richard Scott 9A Emp ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:36 PM PST US From: Louis Willig Subject: Re: RV-List: Root Fairings for RV4 --> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig At 01:07 AM 10/25/2004, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" > >Can anybody tell me what the conventional wisdom is on root fairings? My 4 >kit has some fiberglass for the front and some curved aluminum for the >top. I've seen several pics of 6's that appear to just use a flat strip >with what looks like some kind of rubber molding. I like the idea a lot >and am wondering if any 4's out there have used this. > >Steve Zicree There are plenty of -4's with the flat strip/rubber moulding fairing. Mine is that way and it works and look fine. Louis - Louis I Willig 1640 Oakwood Dr. Penn Valley, PA 19072 610 668-4964 RV-4, N180PF 190HP IO-360, C/S prop ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:46 PM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: RE: RV-List: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Has anyone done a side by side of the Grand Rapids to the Blue Mountain Sport? The Blue Mountain Sport seems like a lot of bells and whistles too including an internal GPS receiver that you have to buy separately in the GRT unit as I recall. Sport seems to have much more in the Map/terrain than the GRT from the web pictures I've seen. I don't know about that opinion on best cost/performance...Show me ;-) lucky do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" > > You will be hard pressed to beat the Grand Rapids units. I've been flying > them for about a month now and never fail to be amazed at the offerings. If > you want HSI you've got one, highway in the sky, vertical navigation etc. > etc. you've got it and it keeps getting better with each software revision. > > They are in my opinion the best cost / performance out there. > > Regards, > > David Schaefer > RV6A "Geek One" N142DS Flying!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bordelon, Greg > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bordelon, Greg" > > Good question Chuck. > > I want to use it IFR and VFR, today and tomorrow. > > I want to pull my DG out and throw it on the hangar floor.... and put > something electronic in its place, and not an "electric DG" either. > > I already have an indicator for my Garmin 430....so I don't have to have > an HSI function in the DG but would use it if it were there. Anything > else is a freebie since I already have all the other necessary IFR > flight instruments installed. > > I saw the BMA G3 Lite (in HSI mode) and wondered if I could use it in > place of my DG. I wonder how it would respond in IFR flight. Then I > wondered what else might be out there that I had not already considered. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles > Rowbotham > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" > --> > > Greg, > > Are you talking VFR or IFR? Both intially and down the road? > > Chuck > > >From: "Bordelon, Greg" > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: RV-List: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? > >Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:07:52 -0500 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bordelon, Greg" > > > >Since no one seems to be flying a Blue Mountain G3 Lite, I thought I > >ask "What else is out there as an electronic DG or HSI replacement"? > > > >I wish to replace my vacuum DG with something electronic but don't want > > >to spend $10K for a Sandel or King KI-825. > > > >Any ideas?? > > > >Thanks - Greg > > > == > == > == > == > > > > > > Has anyone done a side by side of the Grand Rapids to the Blue Mountain Sport? The Blue Mountain Sport seems like a lot of bells and whistlestoo including an internal GPS receiver that you have to buy separately in the GRT unit as I recall. Sport seems to have much more in the Map/terrain than the GRT from the web pictures I've seen. I don't know about that opinion on best cost/performance...Show me ;-) lucky do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- -- RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" You will be hard pressed to beat the Grand Rapids units. I've been flying them for about a month now and never fail to be amazed at the offerings. If you want HSI you've got one, highway in the sky, vertical navigation etc. etc. you've got it and it keeps getting better with each software revision. They are in my opinion the best cost / performance out there. Regards, David Schaefer RV6A "Geek One" N142DS Flying!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bordelon, Greg To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: R V-List: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? -- RV-List message posted by: "Bordelon, Greg" Good question Chuck. I want to use it IFR and VFR, today and tomorrow. I want to pull my DG out and throw it on the hangar floor.... and put something electronic in its place, and not an "electric DG" either. I already have an indicator for my Garmin 430....so I don't have to have an HSI function in the DG but would use it if it were there. Anything else is a freebie since I already have all the other necessary IFR flight instruments installed. I saw the BMA G3 Lite (in HSI mode) and wondered if I could use it in place of my DG. I wonder how it would respond in IFR flight. Then I wondered what else might be out there that I had not already considered. -----Original Message ----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rowbotham To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? -- RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" -- Greg, Are you talking VFR or IFR? Both intially and down the road? Chuck From: "Bordelon, Greg" Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com To: Subject: RV-List: Electronic DG or HSI maybe BMA G3 Lite? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:07:52 -0500 -- RV-List message posted by: "Bordelon, Greg" Since no one seems to be flying a Blue Mountain G3 Lite, I thought I ask "Wh at else is out there as an electronic DG or HSI replacement"? I wish to replace my vacuum DG with something electronic but don't want to spend $10K for a Sandel or King KI-825. Any ideas?? Thanks - Greg == == == == _- List Related Information ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:01 PM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: RE: RV-List: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) I think a useful enhancement would be an optional comments area to be able to give a brief explanation of major moment design decisions for current/future builder considerations. For example on the RV8s those would be things like, forward or aft mounted battery, ELT under VS or in Baggage compartment, altitude hold servo in rear fuse or not, etc. Stuff like that Also on the 8s, there's a forward and aft baggage compartment so there's a difference on the moment of those 50 pounds. Cool tool though. Lucky do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > Hey cool tool Dan. > By entering the data we have now confirmed for the world: > 1. Im over weight, > 2. Past the CG limits > 3. Violating all of Vans recommended numbers.. > Oh well, what else is new? > > Thanks for goofing off and building another cool tool for us. > Mike Stewart > S8 with even greater chance of making 1-3 even worse:) > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway > To: rv-list@matronics.com; vansairforce@yahoogroups.com; > RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com; dan@rvproject.com > Subject: RV-List: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ > > Over the past few days I put together a cool (at least I think so) new > tool > for the RV community. It's a weight & balance database. Enter the data > for > your aircraft, and it gives you sample loading scenarios and lets you > analyze custom loading scenarios. > > What's great about doing this in a central place is: > > 1) It's web-based and is accessible from anywhere (i.e. the computer at > some > random FBO). You don't need your excel spreadsheet anymore. > > 2) It keeps track of the essential aircraft attributes, like engine make > & > model, propeller type & material, etc. Over time we'll be able to do > some > interesting aggregate queries -- for example, builders will be able to > take > a "cross section" of the data and say: Let me analyze a sample loading > scenario on a VIRTUAL AIRCRAFT, one that represents the "average > RV-whatever > with an IO-whatever and 3-blade whatever." I think the aggregate > information that this system can provide will become very interesting to > builders. I base this statement off the many requests I've seen on the > email lists for stuff like "Can somebody with X configuration tell me > what > the CG ends up being?" > > FYI -- the core aircraft fields are catered to 2-seat RVs with a single > baggage area. But you're not confined to just that...you can use > "dynamic > stations" to add your own custom loading points, such as "Wingtip > Lockers" > or "Fwd Baggage" or "Bomb Bay" or whatever you want. > > Hopefully you guys find this useful -- it serves fliers now and it > serves > builders in the future. Even if you don't see yourself using the weight > & > balance analyzer very often, I encourage you at least to enter your > aircraft's data...which will help build the system on an aggregate > level. > > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ > > It's a brand new system, so there are bound to be some bugs...let me > know if > you see anything funky! > > Enjoy, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > P.S. -- Thanks to Carl Morgan for beta testing and coming up with some > great > suggestions. > > > == > == > == > == > > > > > > I think a useful enhancement would be an optionalcomments areato be able to give abrief explanation of major moment design decisions for current/future builder considerations. For example on the RV8s those would be things like, forward or aft mounted battery, ELT under VS or in Baggage compartment, altitude hold servo in rear fuse or not, etc. Stuff like that Also on the 8s, there's a forward and aft baggage compartment so there's a difference on the moment of those 50 pounds. Cool tool though. Lucky do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- -- RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Hey cool tool Dan. By entering the data we have now confirmed for the world: 1. Im over weight, 2. Past the CG limits 3. Violating all of Vans recommended numbers.. Oh well, what else is new? Thanks for goofing off and building another cool tool for us. Mike Stewart S8 with even greater chance of making 1-3 even worse:) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway To: rv-list@matronics.com; vansairforce@yahoogroups.com; RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com; dan@rvproject.com Subject: RV-List: Cool new tool (weight balance database) -- RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ Over the past few days I put together a cool (at least I think so) new tool for the RV community. It's a weight balance database. Enter the data for your aircraft, and it gives you sample loading scenarios and lets you analyze custom loading scenarios. What's great about doing this in a central place is: 1) It's web-based and is accessible from anywhere (i.e. the computer at some random FBO). You don't need your excel spreadsheet anymore. 2) It keeps track of the essential aircraft attributes, like engine make model, propeller type material, etc. Over time we'll be able to do some inte resting aggregate queries -- for example, builders will be able to take a "cross section" of the data and say: Let me analyze a sample loading scenario on a VIRTUAL AIRCRAFT, one that represents the "average RV-whatever with an IO-whatever and 3-blade whatever." I think the aggregate information that this system can provide will become very interesting to builders. I base this statement off the many requests I've seen on the email lists for stuff like "Can somebody with X configuration tell me what the CG ends up being?" FYI -- the core aircraft fields are catered to 2-seat RVs with a single baggage area. But you're not confined to just that...you can use "dynamic stations" to add your own custom loading points, such as "Wingtip Lockers" or "Fwd Baggage" or "Bomb Bay" or whatever you want. Hopefully you guy s find this useful -- it serves fliers now and it serves builders in the future. Even if you don't see yourself using the weight balance analyzer very often, I encourage you at least to enter your aircraft's data...which will help build the system on an aggregate level. http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ It's a brand new system, so there are bound to be some bugs...let me know if you see anything funky! Enjoy, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com P.S. -- Thanks to Carl Morgan for beta testing and coming up with some great suggestions. == == == == ely through the Contributions onics.com/photoshare ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:27 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Several people have suggested a free-form field. I'll definitely add that. It'll probably show some "crumbs" on the main table indicating comments are available, and you can click through to read 'em. Something like that. With respect to additional baggage compartments, the "Dynamic Stations" are there for that purpose. See Bill Vondane's configuration for an example of how to use this feature. do not archive )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: lucky Subject: RE: RV-List: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) I think a useful enhancement would be an optional comments area to be able to give a brief explanation of major moment design decisions for current/future builder considerations. For example on the RV8s those would be things like, forward or aft mounted battery, ELT under VS or in Baggage compartment, altitude hold servo in rear fuse or not, etc. Stuff like that Also on the 8s, there's a forward and aft baggage compartment so there's a difference on the moment of those 50 pounds. Cool tool though. Lucky do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > Hey cool tool Dan. > By entering the data we have now confirmed for the world: > 1. Im over weight, > 2. Past the CG limits > 3. Violating all of Vans recommended numbers.. > Oh well, what else is new? > > Thanks for goofing off and building another cool tool for us. > Mike Stewart > S8 with even greater chance of making 1-3 even worse:) > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway > To: rv-list@matronics.com; vansairforce@yahoogroups.com; > RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com; dan@rvproject.com > Subject: RV-List: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ > > Over the past few days I put together a cool (at least I think so) new > tool > for the RV community. It's a weight & balance database. Enter the data > for > your aircraft, and it gives you sample loading scenarios and lets you > analyze custom loading scenarios. > > What's great about doing this in a central place is: > > 1) It's web-based and is accessible from anywhere (i.e. the computer at > some > random FBO). You don't need your excel spreadsheet anymore. > > 2) It keeps track of the essential aircraft attributes, like engine make > & > model, propeller type & material, etc. Over time we'll be able to do > some > interesting aggregate queries -- for example, builders will be able to > take > a "cross section" of the data and say: Let me analyze a sample loading > scenario on a VIRTUAL AIRCRAFT, one that represents the "average > RV-whatever > with an IO-whatever and 3-blade whatever." I think the aggregate > information that this system can provide will become very interesting to > builders. I base this statement off the many requests I've seen on the > email lists for stuff like "Can somebody with X configuration tell me > what > the CG ends up being?" > > FYI -- the core aircraft fields are catered to 2-seat RVs with a single > baggage area. But you're not confined to just that...you can use > "dynamic > stations" to add your own custom loading points, such as "Wingtip > Lockers" > or "Fwd Baggage" or "Bomb Bay" or whatever you want. > > Hopefully you guys find this useful -- it serves fliers now and it > serves > builders in the future. Even if you don't see yourself using the weight > & > balance analyzer very often, I encourage you at least to enter your > aircraft's data...which will help build the system on an aggregate > level. > > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ > > It's a brand new system, so there are bound to be some bugs...let me > know if > you see anything funky! > > Enjoy, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > P.S. -- Thanks to Carl Morgan for beta testing and coming up with some > great > suggestions. > > > == > == > == > == > > ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:16 PM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Scratches in aluminum --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss David, It's hard to give good advice on an unseen (by me) scratch over the list. Generally, any scratch which you can feel by running your fingernail over the scratch, should be polished out. Your fingernail will be able to detect scratches of as little as .001" deep. The function of the part in question makes a difference as well. I wouldn't worry to much about a scratch in a part like the rear seater's side covers in my 8A. A scratch in a wing skin, rib, bulkhead or other structural member should always be polished out. Perhaps you can get an experienced A&P or another RV builder to come over and look at your parts. Do you belong to an EAA chapter? If so, contact your chapter tech councilor for advice. Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: "David" > >The more I read, the more I wonder. Is there any >such thing as a superficial scratch, or is anything >deeper than a scratch made by a scotchbrite pad >too deep? If a 10% depth is the limit for buffing out >does a 1% depth or 1/2% depth or any other seemingly insignificant scratch >need to be addressed at all? I've got a gazillion of these, some of which >were caused simply by drilling a hole where the still attatched waste was >spinning with the bit. >Others were are caused simply by fitting and refitting >parts. I may just be over cautious, but if I'm going to do this, I want to >do it right. > >P.S.---How do I determine the depth of a scratch? > >Thanks again, >David Kirby >RV6A-QB >Griffin, Ga. > > > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement >======================================================================== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:37 PM PST US From: "John Danielson" Subject: RE: RV-List: ACS - RV Control Cables --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" Thanks Jim for taking interest in the RV builders group. By monitoring this site, you have shown that you are interested in your customers. John Danielson RV-6 Built, flown and sold -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce Subject: RV-List: ACS - RV Control Cables --> RV-List message posted by: Aircraft Spruce RV CONTROLS CABLES: One of our customers recently posted a message to the group about two special order ACS controls that he was stuck with because they did not work properly for his RV. Aircraft Spruce has accepted them back and issued a credit for them, but we thought we better make some new part numbers for controls for the Vans series aircraft to spare other builders this problem. We now have A1760 Cans control cables under part number 05-01435 and A800 Vans control cable under part number 05-01436 both at $139.00. The builder will need to specify the knob color, overall length, and the stroke length (from several choices) when ordering. Standard A1760 and A800 controls will not work for RV aircraft but these special Vans controls from ACS Products Co. will work very well in RV applications. Jim Irwin, President, Aircraft Spruce _______________________________ Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. == == == == ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:37 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: RV8 seats --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Mickey Coggins wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > >Hi, > >Anyone have some suggestions of people that make >RV8 seats and/or covers? I've tried flightline >interiors, but they don't seem to make RV8 seats, >according to their website. I've got a set of >the Jon Johanson seats, but I don't think I'll >use those. > >Thanks, >Mickey > >-- >Mickey Coggins >http://www.rv8.ch/ >#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage > Len Leggette Lenleg@aol.com I don't know if Len will thank me or cuss at me for this, but drop him a line & see if he's cranked up for production yet. I've seen & ridden on the ones he made for his -8A, and they look great & are very comfortable, at least in the back. :-) Charlie ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:56 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" Hi Dan, Great tool and lets folks see what everyone else has got - sort of you show me yours and I'll show mine {:>). Performance Propellers by Clark Lydick is one I would recommend to add to the prop list - I have had two of his great wooden rock maple props and have had excellent performance out of my overweight RV-6A powered by a rotary engine. Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC 28105 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > Forgot to mention...if I left off any propeller manufacturers (I see some > people have already selected "Other") just let me know what they are and > I'll add 'em. > > do not archive > )_( Dan > > ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:01 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Too many lists? --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Netscape 7.2 also works very well. Most 'aftermarket' browsers & email readers work much better than Deplorer & Outlook Depressed. I like Netscape because it's an integrated email handler/web browser & has intelligent spam handling, popup blocking, cookie manager, etc. & it's largely immune to all the virus/worm problems of the two MS programs. http://home.netscape.com/ Charlie Kevin Horton wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > >I'm using Eudora, but there are probably other equally good e-mail >programs around. I'm using Eudora. > >http://www.eudora.com/ > >I'm using the Mac version, but I think the Windows version has a >similar set of features. I'm using it in "Sponsored" mode, which >means it has a little square window with an ad in it. "Free" mode >has no adds, but fewer features. "Paid" mode has no adds, and it >also has spam filtering. I use PopFile, a very good, free e-mail >filter to take care of my span, so I don't need Eudora's "Paid" mode. > >Kevin Horton >do not archive > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" >> >>So what e-mail reader are you using? >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Kevin Horton" >>To: >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Too many lists? >> >> >> >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >>> >>> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Aaron Frechette" >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> > >>> >Tedd, >>> > >>> >I have to say that I don't see how The List is doing a 'good' job of >>> >>> >>items 1 >> >> >>> >through 4, set aside 5. I actually feel like item 5 is a good feature to >>> >have at times. Nothing like having the picture right there to help >>> >communicate a point. >>> > >>> >1. Message presentation by thread or by date >>> >2. Option for web browsing or individual e-mails sent >>> >3. Good search functionality >>> >4. Good categorization >>> >5. Ability to include pics and files WITH messages >>> >6. Ability to post & store pictures in a gallery >>> >7. Ability to post & store files someplace central >>> > >>> >I suppose it has to do with the standards by which you judge these >>> >>> >>criteria. >> >> >>> >I personally feel like the mailing lists are an cumbersome means for >>> >>> >>sharing >> >> >>> >and organizing information when compared to discussion boards like, for >>> >example www.glocktalk.com, which runs on vBulletin. IMO, going from a >>> >>> >>board >> >> >>> >like this to The List is like going from Windows back to DOS. Well, >>> >>> >>maybe >> >> >>> >not that extreme. I'll just say that web boards work well for me. >>> > >>> >Aaron Frechette >>> >>> In large part it depends on what e-mail client you use, and what you >>> do with the messages after you get them. My e-mail client will sort >>> messages by thread, and sort the threads by date. I read the threads >>> with interesting subject lines, and delete the others. If I ever see >>> a message with a good idea I change the subject to be more >>> descriptive, then save a copy in a folder, with a different folder >>> for each main area of interest. My e-mail client has an excellent >>> search function, so I can quickly find a saved message years later if >>> need be. >>> -- >>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) >>> Ottawa, Canada >>> >>> >> > http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ >> >> >> > >> ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:22 PM PST US From: "John" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Putting Air In Tires... --> RV-List message posted by: "John" I don't know about using it in aircraft tires, but a product available at most stores like Wal-Mart, called SLIME certinly works. It completely stopped all the cactus air leaks in my tractor, and farmers swear by the stuff. It even sealed an old wheelborrow tire that has leaked after an hour for the past 15 years ! FWIW John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Scott" Subject: RV-List: Re: Putting Air In Tires... > --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott > > I haven't tried this yet, but guys at my airport suggested using that tire > stop leak that comes in a spray can. Supposed to make aircraft tubes stop > leaking down so fast. Might work! > > Richard Scott > 9A Emp > > > ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:50 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Putting Air In Tires... --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" I had a friend try this and found that he didn't like it. I don't know which product he used but it never complete spread out and caused them to act like they were out of balance. Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II do not archive http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Scott" Subject: RV-List: Re: Putting Air In Tires... > --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott > > I haven't tried this yet, but guys at my airport suggested using that tire > stop leak that comes in a spray can. Supposed to make aircraft tubes stop > leaking down so fast. Might work! > > Richard Scott > 9A Emp > > > ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:51 PM PST US From: "Scott Jackson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Diesel --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" I'd refer this discussion to Peter Garrison's "Technicalities" column in Flying magazine recently. He goes to some length in comparing Thilert's diesel to our Lycomings. Apparently the TwinStar, on the way back to Europe, had its diesels dialled back to less than 3 gallons-an-hour each, still putting out respectable power and cruising speed. I think the low consumption at cruise is probably its greatest attribute, which probably doesn't apply to zooming around the skies in RV's. Scott In VAncouver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Horton" Subject: RE: RV-List: Diesel > --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" >> >>- Diesel is heavier than 100LL. According to Chevron/Texaco, their diesel >>is >>6.76 lb/gal compared to 5.8 lb/gal for 100LL - ~15% heavier. That's 49lbs >>of >>extra weight for full tanks. > > But, diesel fuel has more energy per gallon too, so it's like you get > bigger gas tanks without having to make the mod yourself. And the > diesel engine burns less weight fuel to make the same amount of > power. So even if you put the same weight diesel fuel as you would > get with full tanks of gasoline, you can fly further with diesel > power than with gasoline. > > The higher density is a plus, not a minus. You don't need to fill > the tanks all the way up if you don't want to. > -- > Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) > Ottawa, Canada > http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ > > > ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:36 PM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: O-320 needed --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Michael, Your idea won't work. Here's why. You're going to be having so much fun flying your airplane that you'll never work on the Mk2. It'll take 10 years to finish it! Just kidding. I have been thinking along the same lines. What I was thinking was to build just another fuselage. Then when its done take the wings and tail off my present airplane and put them on the new fuselage. But, you know, that idea probably won't work either. I won't want to quit flying even that long. Do not archive. Dan Hopper RV-7A N766DH (Flying since 7/7/04 -- about 61 hours now) In a message dated 10/25/04 4:50:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time, michaelsaffold@hotmail.com writes: > Here is my plan and I welcome input: > I think rotary engines have some interesting characteristics and plan on > going that way. Unfortunately there are no real firewall forward systems > available. So, you pretty much have to role your own installation. Not terribly > difficult, but I do think very time consuming. I'm going to install an O-320 and > a very basic VFR panel now, to get in the air as quickly and cheaply as > possible. This will be what I call my RV-7Mk1. Then, when I start looking at my > empty workshop and get the itch to start building again, I will begin > RV-7Mk2. I can tinker with the Renesis rotary engine on a test stand in my workshop > and still enjoy flying Mk1. Custom ceramic coated exhaust fabrication, > supercharger install, etc etc. can all be worked on while still flying Mk1. All my > projects get hit by the "while your doing that you might as well do this" > syndrome and with all the custom mods I have in mind for the RV it occurred to > me I might never get into the air. I believe every modification t! > o the stock plans adds a bunch of time and unforeseen consequences. Custom > carbon fiber instrument panels, left side throttle quadrants, home made EFIS > etc etc. Of course I'll have to take the plane off line for installation but > I will have been flying it for over a year or so anyway. I may not even lose > much when I sell the 320. > > Thoughts on this two phase idea and any leads on an O-320 very much > appreciated. > > Michael L Saffold > Phoenix AZ > My (badly in need of updating) RV-7 website: > http://members.cox.net/msaffold > > > ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:36 PM PST US From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Subject: RV-List: FADEC --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" I ordered an engine from Mattituck at Sun-N-Fun this year (along with at least 17 other people that week) and was very pleased with the cooperation I received from them. Especially since I was asking for the lightspeed ignition (one side only, mag on other side) AND Airflow Performance Fuel Injection specifically designed for Van's airbox(not one of Mattituck's std options). It's a 180 hp TMX IO-360 and it cost $21K, LESS than a (carbeureted, dual mag) Lycoming from Van's!! I considered FADEC after talking with Van's landing gear maker Harmon Lange. Harmon built a QB RV-8A with an Aerosport O-360 (rebuilt, this was before any mfgs started offering engines from all new replacement parts, aka Superior or ECI). He bought the engine from Bart for $14k outright and purchased the FADEC from Van's, entire package price $21K, about the cost of a Van's Lycoming at that time. His philosophy in building the plane was: we have all this latest and greatest technology, so why not use it to make my life as a pilot as simple and safe as possible. Not having to worry about mixture and engine management means less pilot workload and lets me keep my mind on the most important thing (flying the airplane). He also was an early adopter of the Blue Mountain EFIS1 and last I heard he was extremely pleased with his whole concept. I was intrigued by this thought, WOW a FADEC equipped Lycoming for less than a Van's Lycoming without FADEC!!! But I didn't get the FADEC. Why not? Because, like someone else mentioned on the list, the extra cost. Since the new engines have come out, I decided I really wanted an engine that's been made from NEW parts and if I add the FADEC to that it ends up costing several thousand more than a Van's Lycoming (my benchmark, I got beat that price, point). I did want fuel injection and liked the anti-vaporlock feature of the AFP even though it's rather pricey (Mattituck deleted the cost of the carb and added in the cost of the fuel injection so it wasn't as big a bite as I feared) and electronic ignition was also a need-to-have item. Yes I will have to play with the mixture like in the old spam cans but I can live with that. My original philosophy for installing fuel injection was two-fold, 1) get rid of the carb heat (still need alternate air in case the inlet gets plugged)and 2) better mixture distribution. After having a lengthly conversation with Van himself I reconsidered the fuel injection for a time. Van was concerned that I might be wanting fuel injection for the wrong reasons but concurred that my philosophy was correct after hearing my explanation. He did stress however that since Lycoming engines have their carburetors attached to the bottom of the sump they are warmed by the oil and ALMOST never experience carburetor icing (Continental engines are a different story, don't ask how I know). My discussions with other Lycoming owners confirmed that carb ice was seldom, if ever, a problem (0-320/0-360, I don't know about the 540/720 series). That left only ONE reason to buy the fuel injection and at the time I was a bit less financially capable and wanted some of those fancy new goodies in my instrument panel more than I wanted FI so I really thought about just getting a carb (with the heat box of course). Later I would come into some additional cash and the Mattituck engine was quite reasonable (Penn Yan also has very good prices) so I went for the whole ball-of-wax and couldn't be happier. If Mattituck support is a good as they've been with my requests I'll be a very happy camper indeed, along with many other folks!! I think that the (Aerosance)FADEC has been around long enough and tested enough that it's a solid unit (Van's did a bunch of testing and the units they sell are tweaked to work best with 0-320/0-360 engines on the RVs). These FADECs are also going on certified aircraft and to meet the requirements of our "friends" at the FAA, they have a lot of redundancy built in. That means that they have multiple systems built in (within the system) so that parts can fail in the unit and it will continue to function. The FADEC actually consists of two "bricks" that are bolted to the firewall, one provides the spark to the two cylinders on one side of the engine (top and bottom plugs) and the other provides the spark to the two cylinders on the other side of the engine (top and bottom plugs). What bothers me about this is what would happen if one of the bricks failed completely!!! That would leave the brick on the other side functioning but... only two cylinders would have spark and on only one side of the engine!! Needless to say, the engine would run quite rough and you'd be lucky to have 50% power. I'm not sure why they didn't have each brick fire all four cylinders and split the bricks for the top and bottom plugs instead of left and right side of the engine. I'll be the first to admit I don't know everything about this FADEC, I'm sure the engineers considered this and did lots of analysis before choosing this configuration so I likely am missing important information but it does seem to me that this IS a potential undesirable failure mode. I'll let them explain if they have someone who monitors this list. Anyway, enough babbling for now, anyone with FADEC experience care to comment? Harmon, you on the list? Dean Psiropoulos RV-6 N197DM Wheel pants (non trivial) ________________________________ Message 70 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:36 PM PST US From: "Todd Bartrim" Subject: RE: RV-List: Diesel --> RV-List message posted by: "Todd Bartrim" ...But, while diesel has more energy per volume than gasoline, it has less energy per weight. So for performance reasons it's not as good, but for endurance reasons it's better. I'd love to be able to burn diesel in my rotary engine. Todd Bartrim RV9Endurance 13B Turbo Rotary C-FSTB http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm "The world will always have a place for those that bring hard work and determination to the things they do." -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Horton Subject: RE: RV-List: Diesel --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" > >- Diesel is heavier than 100LL. According to Chevron/Texaco, their diesel is >6.76 lb/gal compared to 5.8 lb/gal for 100LL - ~15% heavier. That's 49lbs of >extra weight for full tanks. But, diesel fuel has more energy per gallon too, so it's like you get bigger gas tanks without having to make the mod yourself. And the diesel engine burns less weight fuel to make the same amount of power. So even if you put the same weight diesel fuel as you would get with full tanks of gasoline, you can fly further with diesel power than with gasoline. The higher density is a plus, not a minus. You don't need to fill the tanks all the way up if you don't want to. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 71 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:59 PM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Putting Air In Tires... --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com John, Thanks for pointing me to the pictures, and to the NAPA HE-391 extension. May be a dead horse to you, but I didn't know about the list a year ago. Dan H In a message dated 10/25/04 1:50:48 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jhstarn@verizon.net writes: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" > > Hate to beat a dead horse but I posted on "photo share" 7-27-2003 pictures > of a wheel pants mod to gain access to put air in the tires. Old photos, > finish product looks a LOT better but there are 4 photo's and a parts list. > It's quick, cheap and it works. KABONG Do Not Archive HRII N561FS 200hr > plus > Subject: Re: RV-List: Putting Air In Tires... > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > > > ________________________________ Message 72 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:22 PM PST US From: "Matt Johnson" Subject: RV-List: Question on Folding Leading Edge of Elevator... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" I had a heck of a time folding over the leading edges of the elevators (especially where it is really narrow). After doing the best I could do, there are places where the top and bottom flap are not completely flat against each other where the pop rivet goes through them. I was wondering if this is okay or not... has anyone else had this same problem? I have spent hours just trying to get the bends right. The other thing I noticed is that the flap on the outside doesnt lay completely flat against the other sheet once it is all put together (I can put my finger nail in between the two in some places). The Rudder seemed to be much easier... Feedback is appreciated. - Matt