Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:07 AM - Re: Diesel (Michael Duran)
2. 04:29 AM - Re: Lasik Surgery and Mono-vision (Nebr RV-8)
3. 06:12 AM - Re: valve caps (Frazier, Vincent A)
4. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: Lasik Surgery and Mono-vision (Olen Goodwin)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: Electric vs Vac (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
6. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: valve caps (JOHN STARN)
7. 08:06 AM - Re: Fuel & Oil Hoses (Ross Mickey)
8. 08:39 AM - Re: Wing root fairings (Bluecavu@aol.com)
9. 08:45 AM - Re: Fuel & Oil Hoses (Jeff Dowling)
10. 08:53 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 55 Msgs - 10/26/04 (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
11. 09:09 AM - Fuel & Oil Lines (Eustace Bowhay)
12. 09:17 AM - Re: Electric vs Vac (Denis Walsh)
13. 09:49 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 55 Msgs - 10/26/04 (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
14. 10:07 AM - Re: Fuel & Oil Hoses (HAL KEMPTHORNE)
15. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 55 Msgs - 10/26/04 (Kathleen@rv7.us)
16. 11:24 AM - Avionics (Don Harker)
17. 11:37 AM - Re: Too many lists? (Rob Prior)
18. 12:24 PM - Dynon update (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
19. 12:44 PM - Countersunk single lug anchor nut 6-32 needed (Mickey Coggins)
20. 01:01 PM - Re: Dynon update (Jeff Point)
21. 01:01 PM - Vegas trip (linn walters)
22. 01:10 PM - Re: Dynon update (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
23. 01:54 PM - Re: Vegas trip (Scott Bilinski)
24. 02:01 PM - Re: Dynon update (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
25. 03:15 PM - Add another Flying RV to the list (Raymond Wallace)
26. 03:41 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (J. R. Dial)
27. 03:42 PM - Re:Fuel & Oil Hoses (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
28. 04:27 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (smoothweasel@juno.com)
29. 04:31 PM - Re: Re:Fuel & Oil Hoses (Sam Buchanan)
30. 04:43 PM - RV4 canopy restraint lanyard (steve zicree)
31. 04:50 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (Dr. Kevin Leathers)
32. 05:17 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (Scott VanArtsdalen)
33. 05:21 PM - Re: RV8 Seats (Gert)
34. 05:24 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (Charlie England)
35. 05:57 PM - Re: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard (Derrick Aubuchon)
36. 06:00 PM - Re: Countersunk single lug anchor nut 6-32 needed (Charlie Kuss)
37. 07:24 PM - Re: Countersunk single lug anchor nut 6-32 needed (H.Ivan Haecker)
38. 08:55 PM - Re: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard (WILLMINCEY@aol.com)
39. 09:28 PM - Re: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard (Scott VanArtsdalen)
40. 10:03 PM - Re: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard (Sam Buchanan)
41. 11:23 PM - Re: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard (Scott Jackson)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Michael Duran <mgdurand@yahoo.com>
First of all, thanks to listers for their considered
responses regarding my post on diesel, and for the
list discussion.
I'm quite decided on diesel; in fact a large reason I
decided to build is so that I could run the engine of
my choice, and my choice is to run diesel based on
endurance and efficiency, and the possibility of using
biodiesel as a fuel.
Obviously if Delta Hawk is not ready by the time I
hang an engine, and if the two European choices are
not selling to homebuilders, then I won't use it. I'd
probably put a Gas in there, probably an IO360. That
is probably 1.5-2 years away (I'm on wings, but
cookin') and I figure that DH should have at least a
few flying examples out there by then - we'll see. In
any case, the alternative would be to buy a used gas,
just to provide a little more time for the diesel to
develop, if necessary. But ultimately I do hope to
get a workable and safe diesel flying at some point.
So again, and this is for the archives, if there is
anyone out there planning to run a diesel engine in
their RV, particularly if you live in the Northwest,
please drop me a line so we can share notes. As
someone mentioned, experimental aircraft means
experimental, and experiments usually work better in
collaberation than solo.
Thanks,
Michael Duran
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| Subject: | RE: Lasik Surgery and Mono-vision |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nebr RV-8" <nebrrv8@earthlink.net>
Hi Guys,
Got a friend that has had Lasik surgery with one eye corrected far and
the other near. Are there any doctors out there that know the vision
requirements for a third class medical? My friend would love to fly but
is the FAA going to nix it?
Thanks in advance for the help.
Jack
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
SNIP ***********I saw a solution to valve caps on one of these sites.
Just use a 3/16 nut driver to wedge onto the cap to remove or install.
No chasing tubing or building. Bob SNIP ******************
But won't your nutdriver set be one short? And doesn't a nut driver
cost more than a scrap rod and a piece of Tygon?
A little bird says "Cheep, cheep, cheep, CHEAP!" :-)
Vince
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Lasik Surgery and Mono-vision |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Olen Goodwin" <ogoodwin@comcast.net>
Depends. If he can still pass the vision requirements for a third class
with both eyes, it's ok. If he can correct the near vision eye to pass,
it's ok. I hold a first class and deliberately have one eye a bit less
corrected by lasik (left is 20/15, right is a "weak 20/20"). Sometimes I
have to use a contact to pass the distant vision requirements. I'm old
enough that I need near vision correction anyway, but in good light I can
still read OK due to the weaker eye, and I can always see the instrument
panel.
I don't know the third class requirements offhand, but he will still have to
pass with the required vision somehow.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nebr RV-8" <nebrrv8@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: RE: Lasik Surgery and Mono-vision
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Nebr RV-8" <nebrrv8@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Got a friend that has had Lasik surgery with one eye corrected far and
> the other near. Are there any doctors out there that know the vision
> requirements for a third class medical? My friend would love to fly but
> is the FAA going to nix it?
>
> Thanks in advance for the help.
>
> Jack
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electric vs Vac |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 10/26/04 7:09:49 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
> The trouble with manifold vacuum is that it goes away when you reduce
> power.
No. Manifold vacuum goes away when you increase power.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Re: RE: valve caps |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
I have been buying tool "sets" for 40+ years. Must have 3 or 4 screwdriver
looking 1/4" drives that I never used UNTIL I put together the items needed
to re-fill tires thru the HRII's wheel pants. The valve caps were purchased
new at NAPA, they are chromed metal 10mm w/ "o" rings inside. The socket was
one of many "extra" ones collected over the years. (Yard sale & swap meets
are great places to buy these items for a dime a piece). Did buy the stem
extention new at NAPA also. See Photo Share July of 2003 for details, "Wheel
Pants Mod." One low tire could ruin a whole day. Do Not Archive KABONG (GBA
& GWB)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Subject: RV-List: RE: valve caps
> A little bird says "Cheep, cheep, cheep, CHEAP!" :-)
>
> Vince
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| Subject: | Fuel & Oil Hoses |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
I made mine own Earls, had them pressure tested and they all passed with
flying colors.
Ross Mickey
N9PT
120 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel & Oil Hoses
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
If they leaked it was from they way they were put together not because
they were Earl's.
Paul Besing wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
>I rolled my own from Earl's products. I had them pressure tested at an
>aircraft shop. They still leaked. One time it was fuel while still on
the
>ground. (This was from the person who bought my airplane.) Could have
been
>a real problem. He replaced everything with aviation hoses.
>
>Next airplane will have nothing but aviation lines and hoses. Period.
>
>Paul Besing
>RV-6A Sold
>RV-10 Soon
>http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
>Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
>http://www.kitlog.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wing root fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
In a message dated 10/27/2004 1:59:45 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>
> Now that I know I can use the flat aluminum wing root fairings, does anybody
> have
> any info on performance? I saw one post that said stall speed could go up to
> 70 just by leaving off the rubber seal, and to 100 by omitting the fairings
> completely. Have these results been documented? Can anyone explain exactly
> why
> this occurs?
>
> Steve Zicree
> RV4, wrestling with canopy frame
I flew for most of a summer with the rubber seal missing from the flat
fairings on my -4. Didn't notice any real difference other than mabye a couple
knots
of top-end speed. The plane flew fine. No detectable change in stall as far
as I could tell (which is to say it almost won't stall with just me in the
plane -just a big mush) Your results may vary...
I guess, depending on the size of the gap (mine is 1/4") there could be a
flow of air up from the high pressure underneath which could somehow alter the
stall characteristics. Don't know myself just exactly what the mechanics of this
would be -I imagine some kind of vortex akin to the ones at the wingtip could
be created. The root is the end of the wing we want to stall first for
stability and control reasons, but I'm at a loss as to explain just how this small
a
flow of air could affect the flow patterns much over the wing -other than to
create a little drag... and my experience confirms this.
Now on the other hand, to fly without the root fairings at all would be a
*huge* flow of air up from below -and a lot more drag. I can easily believe that
would affect stall characteristics. I wouldn't attempt it.
Scott
N4ZW
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel & Oil Hoses |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Here are the guys I used.
Herber Aircraft Service Inc.
(310)322-9575
Again, they were expensive, but when I had redline oil temperature over
miles of pine trees, I felt a lot better. They are realllllyy nice. I made
the mistake of ordering mine with elbow fittings. I would get them with
staight fittings so I can reuse them if I change. Also, they come in
different colors. I ordered the same color (blue) but in hindsight, why not
change colors for different fluids. Brown for oil lines, blue for fuel. I
got the teflon with built in fire sleeve. Nothing is chaffing through these
things anytime soon.
Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
140 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel & Oil Hoses
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> I rolled my own from Earl's products. I had them pressure tested at an
> aircraft shop. They still leaked. One time it was fuel while still on
> the
> ground. (This was from the person who bought my airplane.) Could have
> been
> a real problem. He replaced everything with aviation hoses.
>
> Next airplane will have nothing but aviation lines and hoses. Period.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold
> RV-10 Soon
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel & Oil Hoses
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
>> <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>>
>> I spent a lot of money on my hoses and definitely feel better when Im up
>> high. I just didnt think the cost savings here was worth the fire risk.
>> Just my opinion.
>>
>> Jeff Dowling
>> RV-6A, N915JD
>> 140 hours
>> Chicago/Louisville
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <Jerry2DT@aol.com>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV-List: Fuel & Oil Hoses
>>
>>
>> > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>> >
>> >
>> > List,
>> >
>> > I'm trying to decide whether to buy Van's "ready made" fuel and oil
> hoses
>> > or
>> > roll my own from Aeroquip or Earl's Performance products thru Summit
>> > Racing.
>> > Looks like some savings there. Any thoughts appreciated from those
> who've
>> > been there done that...
>> >
>> > Jerry Cochran
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 55 Msgs - 10/26/04 |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi Wayne and all,
The MTV-15-B/183-402 has gone through flight vibration testing to verify the
propeller design for continuous operation with an unrestricted RPM range.
This was done on a Lycoming O-360, and an IO-360. This was also done with
electronic ignition.
The MTV-15-B/183-402 is design for operation with the 180 hp and 200 hp
Lycoming on aircraft operation in the same speed range as the RV series aircraft.
This is a unique propeller for the Lycoming 360 non-counterweighted
crankshaft engines.
Of course, the Lycoming 360 counterweighted crankshaft engines do not have
the midrange RPM restriction.
MT Propeller is checking on any possible aerobatic restrictions on this
design, based on the four possible hub lengths available for the propeller.
Counterweighted blades are always preferred for (+ and - G) aerobatic flight.
During maneuvers through zero G's, when the inverted oil system doesn't
always "find" the oil, there can be a momentary loss of oil pressure to the
propeller.
With the loss of oil pressure, the counterweighted blade propeller travels
to a coarse pitch (low RPM).
With the loss of oil pressure, the non-counterweighted blade propeller
travels to fine pitch (high RPM). This overspeeds the engine and propeller, and
can be a high enough RPM that it would scrap both.
Unfortunately, the MTV-15-B/183-402 blade design and blade weight does not
allow the incorporation of blade counterweights.
For positive G only aerobatics (sport aerobatics), there is not the need for
the counterweighted blades. As long as there is no interruption of oil
pressure to the propeller.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 10/26/2004 11:59:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Time: 12:52:58 PM PST US
From: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Counterweighted Crank
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Jim
Would you mind clarifying please.
On the top of your web site page it says 'LYCOMING O-360 MT PROPELLER' and
then it goes on to say 'any Lycoming 360 engine'.
Can it be used on both the O-360 and IO-360 as they have a different
harmonic signatures?
Regards
Wayne
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| Subject: | Fuel & Oil Lines |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
A word of caution, with the tight cowlings of the RV's the lines are in a very
warm environment. With the heat they harden and get brittle. I had a 601 fuel
line start to weep fuel through the side of the line at around 400 hours. The
fuel built up between the fire sleeve and the line so there was no visual evidence.
I make sure that the routing is well clear of the exhaust system and use reusable
fittings replacing the lines at 500 hours or five years whichever comes first.
Eustace Bowhay Blind Bay, B.C.
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| Subject: | Re: Electric vs Vac |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
Dean Hall had a very interesting system which used no vac pump. It had
both the intake manifold source and a bernouli tube mounted between the
gear legs of his RV-4. Also an automatic shuttle valve which would
select whichever source had the most vacuum. He never had any problems
with it.
Seemed like made to order for an RV. The gyros spun up while taxiing
out at high vacuum, low throttle setting, then the system probably
switched to the tube at about lift off, 50K or so. The RV accelerates
so fast that the gyros never had time to spin down on the take off
roll!
He felt the best thing was that the air was so "dirty" down there right
behind the exhaust pipes that his drag penalty was negligable. Finally
as a big bonus the tube was usually slobbered with oil and heated with
the exhaust so icing was highly unlikely.
The only down side I could see was that the crossover mechanism looked
at least as heavy as a vac pump, so no weight saving.
On Oct 26, 2004, at 12:34 PM, John Furey wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
>
> With many now going total electric and looking for a back up. Has
> anyone
> tried using a vacume attitude indicator driven only by the intake
> manifold
> vacume such as the stand by systems when a pump fails. I guess the
> only
> savings would be the pump. Any thoughts??
>
> John RV6A
> Removing Vac Sys for Dynon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 55 Msgs - 10/26/04 |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
The only documentation so far has been my post to the list. I would prefer
to not disclose the sources, due to the possible embarrassment to them.
Why this occur? This is a good question.
The simple answer:
A gap at the wing root reduces the total wing lift, and increases the drag.
The bigger the gap, the greater the impact.
Stop reading here if you don't need a detailed answer.
Lift.
The span wise wing lift distribution is approximated by half of the lift
being a rectangular lift distribution, and the other half of the lift being an
elliptical lift distribution, from wingtip to wingtip.
If there is a leak in the wing (like removing the rubber seal at the wing
root), the lift becomes zero at this point.
Now there are two lift distributions, from each wingtip to the wing root,
and a smaller total lifting area. There are also the equivalent of four
wingtips for the lift distribution, instead of two, with two separate rectangular
and elliptical lift distribution curves.
There is a larger lift component required out of the reduced span lift
distribution. Since there is a fixed maximum angle of attack available from the
wing, this angle of attack is reached at a high airspeed than with the wing
root sealed.
Drag.
The normal fuselage and wing intersection combines two airflows traveling at
two different velocities at the surface. (The free stream velocity is the
same. The surface velocities are different due to the difference in boundary
layer development along the fuselage and wing. Using the Reynolds number as a
reference, the Reynolds number for the air along the fuselage is a large
number, and the Reynolds number for the air at the leading edge of the wing
(stagnation point) is zero.)
With the rubber seal strip removed, there is a small amount of free stream
air entering the wing gap. In a small enough gap, the free stream air will
mix with the fuselage boundary layer air and the wing root separated air. This
airflow is stopped by the forward wing bracket (tank bracket) and the wing
spar, and spills out at the wing root with a vertical velocity into the free
stream air. (On the RV-8 with the rubber seal strip removed, it also caused a
tail buffet near the stall speed.)
With the aluminum gap fairing removed, the was significantly more free
stream air traveling between the wing and fuselage. The energy of this air
spilling vertically out of the gap affected a large area along the fuselage and
specifically along the wing root. And significantly increase the drag on the
airframe. (This also effectively reduced the wing area available to produce
lift.)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 10/26/2004 11:59:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Time: 09:37:54 PM PST US
From: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Subject: RV-List: Wing root fairings
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Now that I know I can use the flat aluminum wing root fairings, does anybody
have
any info on performance? I saw one post that said stall speed could go up to
70 just by leaving off the rubber seal, and to 100 by omitting the fairings
completely. Have these results been documented? Can anyone explain exactly
why
this occurs?
Steve Zicree
RV4, wrestling with canopy frame
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel & Oil Hoses |
--> RV-List message posted by: HAL KEMPTHORNE <hal_kempthorne@sbcglobal.net>
I doubt it. They are probably a bit heavier. I tried to figure using weights
from ACS but they don't list them. They do sell the integrated firesleeve hoses.
Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie
Kuss
Hal,
Is there any sort of weight savings using these hoses with the "built in"
fire sleeve?
Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 55 Msgs - 10/26/04 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us
I notice that your website makes a comparison between this MT prop and the
Lycoming HC-C2YK-ABF/F7666A-4. Is there any plan to compare the MT to the
Lycoming C2YR-1BF/F7496-2, since that is the Lycoming that most folks are
interested in today. I am very interested in the MT due to the absence of
restrictions, but I'd like to know how it compares to the current Lycoming.
So, why don't you run out do the comparison for us - say, this afternoon?
:-)
Kathleen Evans
www.rv7.us
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 55 Msgs - 10/26/04
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi Wayne and all,
The MTV-15-B/183-402 has gone through flight vibration testing to verify
the
propeller design for continuous operation with an unrestricted RPM range.
This was done on a Lycoming O-360, and an IO-360. This was also done with
electronic ignition.
The MTV-15-B/183-402 is design for operation with the 180 hp and 200 hp
Lycoming on aircraft operation in the same speed range as the RV series
aircraft.
This is a unique propeller for the Lycoming 360 non-counterweighted
crankshaft engines.
Of course, the Lycoming 360 counterweighted crankshaft engines do not have
the midrange RPM restriction.
MT Propeller is checking on any possible aerobatic restrictions on this
design, based on the four possible hub lengths available for the propeller.
Counterweighted blades are always preferred for (+ and - G) aerobatic
flight.
During maneuvers through zero G's, when the inverted oil system doesn't
always "find" the oil, there can be a momentary loss of oil pressure to the
propeller.
With the loss of oil pressure, the counterweighted blade propeller travels
to a coarse pitch (low RPM).
With the loss of oil pressure, the non-counterweighted blade propeller
travels to fine pitch (high RPM). This overspeeds the engine and
propeller, and
can be a high enough RPM that it would scrap both.
Unfortunately, the MTV-15-B/183-402 blade design and blade weight does not
allow the incorporation of blade counterweights.
For positive G only aerobatics (sport aerobatics), there is not the need
for
the counterweighted blades. As long as there is no interruption of oil
pressure to the propeller.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 10/26/2004 11:59:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Time: 12:52:58 PM PST US
From: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Counterweighted Crank
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Jim
Would you mind clarifying please.
On the top of your web site page it says 'LYCOMING O-360 MT PROPELLER' and
then it goes on to say 'any Lycoming 360 engine'.
Can it be used on both the O-360 and IO-360 as they have a different
harmonic signatures?
Regards
Wayne
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Harker" <dpharker@worldnet.att.net>
Starting to think about avionics.
Would like to hear offline--- people's firsthand experiences with Narco
Mk12D+ avionics, 122D and/or Garmin GNC-300XL GPS/Comm.
Interested in your thoughts on performance and value.
Thanks
Don Harker
RV-7A Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Too many lists? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 16:29 26/10/2004 Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@c
> ox.net>
> I can't think of anything they can do that can't be done with any
> modern email client. The one HUGE disadvantage the web forums have
> is there is no easy way to save messages you really are interested in
> on your own computer.
For what it's worth, I follow two motorcycle forums (BC Sportbikes,
www.bcsportbikes.com, and VFR Discussion, www.vfrdiscussion.com) that use a
format similar to phpbbs. Here's what I find to be the most useful about
that format over the current Matronics lists:
1. I don't get a stack of "new" messages popping up in my mail program
every time someone posts a reply to a thread. I used filters to sort my
mail, but I don't have them marked as read automatically. If I did, i'd
never think to go read them, and my mail archive would quickly become a
duplicate of the Matronics archive, which isn't very efficient.
2. I can search for any topic across any sub-forum, and in any thread, with
one search command. This has been incredibly useful in the past, when
looking for advice on motorcycle-related topics.
2a. Kind of related to (2), I don't have to keep my own archive of
messages, I can go back and search at any time if I want to find something
that was useful. The risk in this is that the maintainer of the phpbbs
site keeps the site active, and doesn't lose the archive, but that's also a
risk on the Matronics site. This negates the requirement for me to be able
to save "relevant" threads. I don't save them, because I can always go
back and find them later anyway. Why waste my HD space when there's a
server already doing it?
3. Because i'm logged in to the site (automatically every time I visit), I
can click on "new posts" and immediately see what threads are new and what
old threads have new replies in them. Scrolling past boring, off-topic
threads like "what newsgroup/bbs/webpage/etc. format we should use" is a
matter of glancing over *one* line, the first post in the thread. The
replies are all kept hidden away unless I want to read them, instead of one
coming in every half hour all day, triggering my "new mail" flag.
4. Images can be included (but I don't think that's a huge consideration,
putting them on your own server and including a link is more than
adequate).
> If you really want something better than the Matronics lists then the
> best thing to do is start a new News Group.
Unfortunately, this is now the *worst* thing to do. News groups provide
one useful service to the internet community: An easy, ready source of
email addresses that can be harvested by spammers for sending SPAM.
Conveniently, the addresses are all grouped by area of interest, too, so
marketing can be targeted if necessary.
However, if you can get around that problem, and since you advocate using
Google to search the newsgroup anyway, how is that much different from a
phpbbs?
Now, all of that being said, I don't think we'll ever see the Matronics
lists die, unless Matt decides to throw in the towel. Why? Critical mass.
Just like the technical superiority of the Betamax format couldn't win out
over the availability of VHS, we won't see the majority move away from
Matt's lists to a phpbbs format. There's too much legacy here that people
would have to give up.
I would say that an ideal solution would be to have the Matronics archive
imported into a set of phpbbs-style discussion forums. But that's also
technically awkward, so I guess i'll stick with the current method for now,
and watch www.rivetbangers.com to see how it develops. If it grows
quickly, I may move there, and only go to the Matronics website for archive
searches when I need advice.
Just my $0.02.
-Rob
rv7 "at" b4.ca
Do Not Archive
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<aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
Thought I'd throw an avionics "update" out there. I talked to someone in the office
late Monday (darn, was the name Doug? I forget).
I asked when the engine monitor would be available for sale. Next March was his
predicted date but it is the item they are working the hardest on at the moment.
I asked when the 7 inch monitor was coming out. He said it was not going
to be anytime soon despite the fact the owner has been flying a prototype for
about a year. Not even next year. Sucks. He said the owner wants to go in
one direction - all in one Wonder Kid similar sounding to GRT and Blue Mountain
combined. That's my description, not his. He said engine, weather, traffic,
and all the other bells instead of just the same function as the current Dynon
but in a larger display. The autopilot was way out there in 06 at the earliest.
They are hoping to copy the code from some unmanned system a sister company
has fielded and currently being tested (sounded military).
I sure wish someone would put out the Dynon or Blue Mountain Lite in a larger display
but not charge 3 times more for it. ;-)
Anyone hear of anything new on the EFIS horizon? no pun intended.
do not archive,
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather"
>
> I think the original question was WHY the rules apply to experimentals.. Not
> WHAT the rules are. I suppose one could make the assumption that the
> applications of rules are just arbitrary, but I think the answer really
> relates to
> the rulemakers attempting to provide better safety for all users of the
> system.
> Now as for the specifics, I can't help on that one.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt-
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by:
> >
> > AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: "Eric Ruttan"
> >
> >
> > <<...skip...Fun pop quiz: Does anyone know why radios in IFR have to be
> > TSO'd, if the regulations do not apply to OBAM's? Eric the
> > entertainer>>
> >
> > 10/27/2004
> >
> > Hello Eric the entertainer, I cant decide whether this is a trick
> > question, an exercise in cuteness, an attempt at a serious question with
> > some obfuscation, or just a poorly worded question. I hope that there is
> > some educational benefit involved in responding.
> >
> > 1) Radios (do you mean all avionics or just VHF communication radios?)
> > do not have to be TSOd for use in IFR. If you disagree with that
> > statement please provide the specific reference(s) otherwise.
> >
> > 2) the regulations (which covers a huge area) most certainly do apply to
> > OBAM aircraft. If you doubt this statement I invite your attention to
> > FAR Sec 91.1 and the Operating Limitations that are part of the Special
> > Airworthiness Certificate of every amateur built experimental aircraft.
> >
> > OC
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
Thought I'd throw an avionics "update" out there. I talked to someone in the office
late Monday (darn, was the name Doug? I forget).
I asked when the engine monitor would be available for sale. Next March was his
predicted date but it is the item they are working the hardest on at the moment.
I asked when the 7 inch monitor was coming out. He said it was not going to
be anytime soon despite the fact the owner has been flying a prototype for about
a year. Not even next year. Sucks. He said the owner wants to go in one direction
- all in one Wonder Kidsimilar sounding to GRT and Blue Mountain combined.
That's my description, not his. He said engine, weather, traffic, and all
the other bells instead of just the same function as the current Dynon but in
a larger display. The autopilot was way out there in 06 at the earliest. They
are hoping to copy the code from some unmanned system a sister company has fielded
and currently being tested (sounded military).
I sure wish someone would put out the Dynon or Blue Mountain Lite in a larger display
but not charge 3 times more for it. ;-)
Anyone hear of anything new on the EFIS horizon? no pun intended.
do not archive,
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
-- AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <MPRATHER@SPRO.NET>
I think the original question was WHY the rules apply to experimentals.. Not
WHAT the rules are. I suppose one could make the assumption that the
applications of rules are just arbitrary, but I think the answer really
relates to
the rulemakers attempting to provide better safety for all users of the
system.
Now as for the specifics, I can't help on that one.
Regards,
Matt-
-- AeroElectric-List message posted by: <BAKEROCB@COX.NET>
AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: "Eric Ruttan"
<ERICRUTTAN@CHARTERMI.NET>
...skip...Fun pop quiz: Does
anyone know why radios in IFR have to be
TSO'd, if the regulations do not apply to OBAM's? Eric the
entertainer
10/27/2004
Hello Eric the entertainer, I cant decide whether this is a trick
question, an exercise in cuteness, an attempt at a serious question with
some obfuscation, or just a poorly worded question. I hope that there is
some educational benefit involved in responding.
1) Radios (do you mean all avionics or just VHF communication radios?)
do not have to be TSOd for use in IFR. If you disagree with that
statement please provide the specific reference(s) otherwise.
2) the regulations (which covers a huge area) most certainly do apply to
OBAM aircraft. If you doubt this statement I invite your attention to
FAR Sec 91.1 and t
he Operating Limitations that are part of the Special
Airworthiness Certificate of every amateur built experimental aircraft.
OC
List FAQ: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm
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| Subject: | Countersunk single lug anchor nut 6-32 needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi,
I need a 6-32 version of this part: MS21053-L08
It's a single lug, countersunk (dimpled), anchor nut.
Does anyone know where I might be able to find it, or
the specific part number? I tried searching for the
obvious MS21053-L06 on google, no luck yet.
Thanks,
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon update |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Did they mention anything about the "leaning" problem and how that fix
is going?
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
>
>
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rv10-list@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Sorry for the multiple posts (multiple lists), but I'll be in Las Vegas
from Nov 2 thru 12 .... my wife likes to gamble ..... but I'd rather fly
or visit an RV-10 builder !!! Anyone out there wanna take on a
tourist??? I'll buy gas (or lunch etc.)!!!
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon update |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
nope, it never came up and honestly it didn't occur to me to ask. It sounded like
a month or so ago a SW mod went out that change data sample rates or something
similar to avoid an issue with engine induced frequency shock or something
like that.
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point
>
> Did they mention anything about the "leaning" problem and how that fix
> is going?
>
> Jeff Point
> RV-6
> Milwaukee WI
>
>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
nope, it never came up and honestly it didn't occur to me to ask. It sounded like
a month or so ago a SW mod went out that change data sample rates or something
similarto avoid an issue with engine induced frequency shock or something
like that.
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <JPOINT@MINDSPRING.COM>
Did they mention anything about the "leaning" problem and how that fix
is going?
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
=================================================
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Wow 10 days of Vegas, lucky you, sounds REALLY expensive! Cant imagine
being there that long. As far as something to do, might stop by the Belted
Air Power guys and check out their installation (Chevy V-6).
http://www.beltedair.com/
At 03:59 PM 10/27/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
>Sorry for the multiple posts (multiple lists), but I'll be in Las Vegas
>from Nov 2 thru 12 .... my wife likes to gamble ..... but I'd rather fly
>or visit an RV-10 builder !!! Anyone out there wanna take on a
>tourist??? I'll buy gas (or lunch etc.)!!!
>Linn
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
The problem is not resolved and they continue to try changes to software
to fix the problem.
Mike
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Point
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon update
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Did they mention anything about the "leaning" problem and how that fix
is going?
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
>
>
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: Raymond Wallace <rawmailman@yahoo.com>
RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27 October at
Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but nothing that can't be tweeked.
NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
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| Subject: | Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
Congratulations, and I hope you have a good heater up there.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wallace
Subject: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
--> RV-List message posted by: Raymond Wallace <rawmailman@yahoo.com>
RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27
October at Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but nothing
that can't be tweeked. NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
---------------------------------
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re:Fuel & Oil Hoses |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Thanks to all who responded, I feel I've had a good tutorial on aircraft
hoses now. I talked to the fine folks at Columbia Airmotive in Troutdale, OR,
and they seem to have good pricing and availability in Aeroquip so plan to go
that route and fabricate myself.
That way I can get exact sizing and save some $$$. Thanks also to the guy
who mentioned the home-grown pressure tester made with a grease gun. What a
great idea!!.
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
> RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27
> October at Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but
> nothing
> that can't be tweeked. NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
> >
Congradulations MAN!!!!!! You now own THE best of ALL the RV
models!!!!!!! See ya in the air.
Do not archive.
Weasel -4 (85hr)
Now includes pop-up blocker!
Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
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| Subject: | Re:Fuel & Oil Hoses |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
> Thanks to all who responded, I feel I've had a good tutorial on aircraft
> hoses now. I talked to the fine folks at Columbia Airmotive in Troutdale, OR,
> and they seem to have good pricing and availability in Aeroquip so plan to go
> that route and fabricate myself.
> That way I can get exact sizing and save some $$$. Thanks also to the guy
> who mentioned the home-grown pressure tester made with a grease gun. What a
> great idea!!.
Jerry, if you check around you should be able to find someone locally to
pressure check your hoses. Most tractor and construction equipment
dealers/repair shops will have the capability of checking hydraulic
hoses and the cost will be minimal.
Be careful if you check them yourself with a homebrew rig; several
hundred pounds pressure can be destructive if it gets loose or there is
a hose failure and your eyes or other valuable bits end up on the
receiving end! Many shops will put the hoses in a water tank when
testing them so a catastrophic failure can be contained.
Sam Buchanan (RV-6, 604 hrs; guess I need to rebuild some hoses)
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| Subject: | RV4 canopy restraint lanyard |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Listers,
Any RV4 folks out there with pics or drawings or what-have-you of canopy restraint
methods. The plans call for a "lanyard" but I would like something a little
more aircrafty. I mean, lanyard?! What am I, a pirate?
Ahoy,
Steve Zicree
RV4, On main gear today
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything, but I am wondering why you
consider the RV4 to be superior to the RV8? (I don't care about the others.)
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: <smoothweasel@juno.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
> --> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
>
> > RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27
> > October at Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but
> > nothing
> > that can't be tweeked. NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
> > >
>
> Congradulations MAN!!!!!! You now own THE best of ALL the RV
> models!!!!!!! See ya in the air.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Weasel -4 (85hr)
>
> Now includes pop-up blocker!
> Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Because the 4 looks sexy. The 8 has that whole Cessna thing going on
with it's cowling. Cruise about as fast on less horsepower and handle
better in the air in my opinion.
I'm not stirring the pot or anything but why don't you care about the
others?
Dr. Kevin Leathers wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
>I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything, but I am wondering why you
>consider the RV4 to be superior to the RV8? (I don't care about the others.)
>
>Doc
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <smoothweasel@juno.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
>>
>>
>>
>>>RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27
>>>October at Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but
>>>nothing
>>>that can't be tweeked. NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
>>>
>>>
>>Congradulations MAN!!!!!! You now own THE best of ALL the RV
>>models!!!!!!! See ya in the air.
>>
>>Do not archive.
>>
>>Weasel -4 (85hr)
>>
>>Now includes pop-up blocker!
>>Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
--
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
Van Arts Consulting Services
3848 McHenry Ave
Suite #155-184
Modesto, CA 95356
209-986-4647
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--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
Yeah, They're great, but....
having Abby do housecalls right at your hanger/garage for those few
lucky ones...and not just once....
PRICELESS !!!!!
She'll come and personally fit them for you.
Gert
Todd Wenzel, MSCD wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Todd Wenzel, MSCD" <todd.wenzel@wenzel-software.com>
>
> Mickey,
> I HAVE -8 seats from Abby as does Gert V. who is also on this list. We were
> the first two -8's that Abby made and believe me when I tell you, she did an
> incredible job. I would HIGHLY recommend contacting her for your seats. She
> did a fantastic custom embroidered "Stars & Bars" design on my seats to go
> with the military paint scheme. I'm not flying yet, but when I want to
> relax, I crawl up into the -8 and fall asleep in the seats - the only
> technical problem I have is how to get the recliner feet-support to swing up
> free of the rudder pedals! ;>)
>
> Todd Wenzel
> Delafield, WI
> RV-8A, Finish Kit
> N900TW (reserved)
>
>
> Let me put in my two cents worth Mickey. I just had Abby do a complete
> interior for my recently completed 9A. I can tell you that her work
> is as
> advertised and attested to by those of us who have bought her
> interiors.
> Even after all the build up, I was still shocked at the quality and
> completeness of her pieces when I opened the box. I've heard great
> things
> about Becki O. too, but there's more work to do with hers. All of
> Abby's
> stuff is precut, even the foam for under the floor matting! And it
> fits
> perfectly! Thanks Abby, you're a pro!
> Chuck Weyant N8058V
> RV9A --- 30 hours!
>
> > Hi Mickey, Yes, we do make the seats for the RV8, I haven't had a
> chance
> > to update the website. Let me know if you have any other questions.
> > Thank you, Abby
> > Flightline Interiors
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: RV8 seats
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins
> <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Anyone have some suggestions of people that make
> > > RV8 seats and/or covers? I've tried flightline
> > > interiors, but they don't seem to make RV8 seats,
> > > according to their website. I've got a set of
> > > the Jon Johanson seats, but I don't think I'll
> > > use those.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mickey
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Dr. Kevin Leathers wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
>I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything, but I am wondering why you
>consider the RV4 to be superior to the RV8? (I don't care about the others.)
>
>Doc
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <smoothweasel@juno.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
>>
>>
>>
>>>RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27
>>>October at Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but
>>>nothing
>>>that can't be tweeked. NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
>>>
>>>
>>Congradulations MAN!!!!!! You now own THE best of ALL the RV
>>models!!!!!!! See ya in the air.
>>
>>Do not archive.
>>
>>Weasel -4 (85hr)
>>
Not to speak for Weasel, but I'll bet he's talking about flying
qualities. Most who have flown both designs seem to agree with him,
unless they have flown the -3. I've never flown a -3 but among the -6,
-8 & -4 the -4 definitely gets my vote for best handling. It's a lighter
a/c with more nimble handling & most folks I've heard from (including
me) find it much more forgiving in landing than the -8.
Charlie
flying a purchased -4; building a -7 because I prefer side by side for
giving rides & traveling.
flame away... ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Derrick Aubuchon" <n184da@volcano.net>
I used a trunk "lift-strut" from a Nissan. The model I used was late 90's
vintage; (which was the approximate time frame during which I tackled the
canopy construction); but if you would like specifics, I could try and dig
up the details. There are similar solutions I am sure, but most all of
the mods that utilize these types of struts will mean a modification to
the A-frame roll-over bar. In my case, this meant welding an attachment
tab to the roll-over bar. Obviously, some sort of structural mounting
will also be required on the Canopy frame assembly as well.
Not sure what to say regarding the "Pirate" comment.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>
> Listers,
>
> Any RV4 folks out there with pics or drawings or what-have-you of canopy
> restraint methods. The plans call for a "lanyard" but I would like
> something a little more aircrafty. I mean, lanyard?! What am I, a
> pirate?
>
> Ahoy,
> Steve Zicree
> RV4, On main gear today
Derrick L. Aubuchon
n184da@volcano.net
RV4 N184DA, 400+ hours and counting!
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| Subject: | Re: Countersunk single lug anchor nut 6-32 needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Mickey,
I'm not sure if that model of nutplate comes in that size. When I'm
looking for hard to find aviation hardware, I go to M&M Aerospace
Hardware. They have a number of locations around the country. One really
nice feature is you can download an Excel file of their stocked parts list.
This list is updated every month. I just went to the web page below to try
to see if they had that number. No joy. They show it in #8 and larger sizes
though.
http://www.mmaero.com/us/inventory.cfm
Why not simply use a # 8 screw in that area?
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>Hi,
>
>I need a 6-32 version of this part: MS21053-L08
>
>It's a single lug, countersunk (dimpled), anchor nut.
>Does anyone know where I might be able to find it, or
>the specific part number? I tried searching for the
>obvious MS21053-L06 on google, no luck yet.
>
>Thanks,
>Mickey
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Countersunk single lug anchor nut 6-32 needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl@gvtc.com>
Mickey,
If you are unable to find one, you might place a spacer/shim (.063) that
has been machine countersunk under a non-dimpled single lug anchor nut to
receive the dimpled substructure. Not too bad if you don't have to make very
many of them.
If this won't work in your situation, there are a couple of other ways
around the problem.
Ivan Haecker -4 1100hrs. S. Cen. TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Subject: RV-List: Countersunk single lug anchor nut 6-32 needed
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Hi,
>
> I need a 6-32 version of this part: MS21053-L08
>
> It's a single lug, countersunk (dimpled), anchor nut.
> Does anyone know where I might be able to find it, or
> the specific part number? I tried searching for the
> obvious MS21053-L06 on google, no luck yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Mickey
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard |
--> RV-List message posted by: WILLMINCEY@aol.com
FYI, Not that it matters, but, The F-104, a mach 2 fighter used a lanyard for
the canopy restraint for over 20 years with no problem. A simple metal hook
and a simple pouch for storing when the canopy was shut. Can't get much
cheaper than that.
Will Mincey RV3 N81TD
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| Subject: | Re: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Avast me hearty I use a lanyard. But then my airplane has this whole
post neo-redneck thing going on so the lanyard fits right in. I used a
short piece of cargo strap like you could buy at AutoZone, a hose clamp
to hold it to the cross member of the roll bar and then a pop rivet
through the strap into the cross member of the canopy frame. I kept it
short enough to keep away from the rear stick. I'll replace it "one of
these days" but for now it works.
steve zicree wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>
>Listers,
>
>Any RV4 folks out there with pics or drawings or what-have-you of canopy restraint
methods. The plans call for a "lanyard" but I would like something a little
more aircrafty. I mean, lanyard?! What am I, a pirate?
>
>Ahoy,
>Steve Zicree
>RV4, On main gear today
>
>
>
>
--
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
Van Arts Consulting Services
3848 McHenry Ave
Suite #155-184
Modesto, CA 95356
209-986-4647
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| Subject: | Re: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
steve zicree wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>
> Listers,
>
> Any RV4 folks out there with pics or drawings or what-have-you of
> canopy restraint methods. The plans call for a "lanyard" but I would
> like something a little more aircrafty. I mean, lanyard?! What am I,
> a pirate?
Let's see...light, reliable, elegantly designed........how much more
"aircrafty" do you want??!?? :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
I thought the reason for the flimsy lanyard was to go hand-in-hand with the
light pop-rivets holding the canopy hinge to the fuselage: make it
jettisonable.
Is there any chance of the canopy staying attached to the airframe and
flailing around, possibly bashing either the pilot or the passenger, if the
hinge rivets let go but a too-strong lanyard won't break?
Scott in VAncouver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> Avast me hearty I use a lanyard. But then my airplane has this whole
> post neo-redneck thing going on so the lanyard fits right in. I used a
> short piece of cargo strap like you could buy at AutoZone, a hose clamp
> to hold it to the cross member of the roll bar and then a pop rivet
> through the strap into the cross member of the canopy frame. I kept it
> short enough to keep away from the rear stick. I'll replace it "one of
> these days" but for now it works.
>
> steve zicree wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>>
>>Listers,
>>
>>Any RV4 folks out there with pics or drawings or what-have-you of canopy
>>restraint methods. The plans call for a "lanyard" but I would like
>>something a little more aircrafty. I mean, lanyard?! What am I, a pirate?
>>
>>Ahoy,
>>Steve Zicree
>>RV4, On main gear today
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> Van Arts Consulting Services
> 3848 McHenry Ave
> Suite #155-184
> Modesto, CA 95356
> 209-986-4647
>
>
>
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