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1. 03:31 AM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list ()
2. 03:57 AM - Re: RV8 Seats (Mickey Coggins)
3. 04:46 AM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (Charles Rowbotham)
4. 05:16 AM - Re: Countersunk single lug anchor nut 6-32 needed (cgalley)
5. 05:16 AM - Re: RV-List Counterweighted Crank (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
6. 05:26 AM - Wing root fairings (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
7. 06:01 AM - Re: Avionics (Ollie Washburn)
8. 06:11 AM - Brotherhood of RVs (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
9. 06:23 AM - EFIS Horizon (Frazier, Vincent A)
10. 06:54 AM - another EFIS? (Bill VonDane)
11. 08:06 AM - Re: [rv8list] another EFIS? (David Fenstermacher)
12. 08:47 AM - Re: Brotherhood of RVs (Bobby Hester)
13. 09:12 AM - Re: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard (steve zicree)
14. 10:06 AM - Re: EFIS Horizon (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
15. 11:47 AM - JB Aircraft Engine Services - references (sjhdcl@kingston.net)
16. 12:02 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (BRUCE GRAY)
17. 01:24 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (Dr. Kevin Leathers)
18. 01:24 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (Dr. Kevin Leathers)
19. 01:36 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (Chuck)
20. 01:43 PM - RV-8 Grove gear (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
21. 02:40 PM - Tubing Inserts (bertrv6@highstream.net)
22. 02:43 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (Tom Gummo)
23. 03:45 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (Dr. Kevin Leathers)
24. 03:46 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (JOHN STARN)
25. 04:14 PM - Re: Tubing Inserts (Dan Checkoway)
26. 04:16 PM - Re: Trio Auto pilot (923te)
27. 04:21 PM - Re: Add another Flying RV to the list (Tom Gummo)
28. 05:26 PM - Re: RV8 Seats (Gert)
29. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Trio Auto pilot (Gary Zilik)
30. 05:37 PM - seat foam quality (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
31. 07:14 PM - >Re:Tubing Inserts (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
32. 07:55 PM - Lubrication (GMC)
33. 08:37 PM - Re: Avionics (Jim & Bev Cone)
34. 08:38 PM - countersunk rivets (Brian Kraut)
35. 09:19 PM - Re: countersunk rivets (Jim Jewell)
36. 09:56 PM - Re: Lubrication (Vanremog@aol.com)
37. 10:36 PM - Re: countersunk rivets (steve zicree)
38. 10:42 PM - Re: Lubrication (Chris & Kellie Hand)
39. 11:17 PM - Re: countersunk rivets (Rick Galati)
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Wallace" <rawmailman@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
> --> RV-List message posted by: Raymond Wallace <rawmailman@yahoo.com>
>
> RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27
October at Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but nothing that
can't be tweeked. NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi Gert,
Stop yakin' and start snappin! Snapping pictures, that is! :-)
I didn't realize she'd come to my house in Switzerland and
fit the seats, that's really great!
Mickey
>Yeah, They're great, but....
>
>having Abby do housecalls right at your hanger/garage for those few
>lucky ones...and not just once....
>
>PRICELESS !!!!!
>
>She'll come and personally fit them for you.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Raymond,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!
Chuck and Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: Raymond Wallace <rawmailman@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:14:50 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Raymond Wallace <rawmailman@yahoo.com>
>
>RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27 October
>at Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but nothing that can't
>be tweeked. NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Countersunk single lug anchor nut 6-32 needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Might try Genuine Aircraft Hardware for # MS21052, MS21054 which is
countersunk, MS 21062 Which is floating MS 21072 which is mini. Phone is
1-888-247-2738
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/nutplate.pdf is the data for
nutplates.
Cy Galley - Chair,
AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Kuss" <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Countersunk single lug anchor nut 6-32 needed
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>
> Mickey,
> I'm not sure if that model of nutplate comes in that size. When I'm
> looking for hard to find aviation hardware, I go to M&M Aerospace
> Hardware. They have a number of locations around the country. One really
> nice feature is you can download an Excel file of their stocked parts
list.
> This list is updated every month. I just went to the web page below to try
> to see if they had that number. No joy. They show it in #8 and larger
sizes
> though.
>
> http://www.mmaero.com/us/inventory.cfm
>
> Why not simply use a # 8 screw in that area?
>
> Charlie Kuss
>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >I need a 6-32 version of this part: MS21053-L08
> >
> >It's a single lug, countersunk (dimpled), anchor nut.
> >Does anyone know where I might be able to find it, or
> >the specific part number? I tried searching for the
> >obvious MS21053-L06 on google, no luck yet.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Mickey
> >
> >--
> >Mickey Coggins
> >http://www.rv8.ch/
> >#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Counterweighted Crank |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi Wayne and all,
The MTV-15-B/183-402 has gone through flight vibration testing to verify the
propeller design for continuous operation with an unrestricted RPM range.
This was done on a Lycoming O-360, and an IO-360. This was also done with
electronic ignition installed.
The MTV-15-B/183-402 is design for operation with the 180 hp and 200 hp
Lycoming on aircraft operation in the same speed range as the RV series
aircraft.
This is a unique propeller for the Lycoming 360 non-counterweighted
crankshaft engines.
Of course, the Lycoming 360 counterweighted crankshaft engines do not have
the midrange RPM restriction.
MT Propeller is checking on any possible aerobatic restrictions on this
design, based on the four possible hub lengths available for the propeller.
Counterweighted blades are always preferred for (+ and - G) aerobatic flight.
During maneuvers through zero G's, when the inverted oil system doesn't
always "find" the oil, there can be a momentary loss of oil pressure to the
propeller.
With the loss of oil pressure, the counterweighted blade propeller travels
to a coarse pitch (low RPM).
With the loss of oil pressure, the non-counterweighted blade propeller
travels to fine pitch (high RPM). This overspeeds the engine and propeller, and
can be a high enough RPM that it would scrap both.
Unfortunately, the MTV-15-B/183-402 blade design and blade weight does not
allow the incorporation of blade counterweights.
For positive G only aerobatics (sport aerobatics), there is not the need for
the counterweighted blades. As long as there is no interruption of oil
pressure to the propeller.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 10/26/2004 11:59:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Time: 12:52:58 PM PST US
From: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Counterweighted Crank
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Jim
Would you mind clarifying please.
On the top of your web site page it says 'LYCOMING O-360 MT PROPELLER' and
then it goes on to say 'any Lycoming 360 engine'.
Can it be used on both the O-360 and IO-360 as they have a different
harmonic signatures?
Regards
Wayne
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| Subject: | Wing root fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
The only documentation so far has been my post to the list. I would prefer
to not disclose the sources, due to the possible embarrassment to them.
Why this occur? This is a good question.
The simple answer:
A gap at the wing root reduces the total wing lift, and increases the drag.
The bigger the gap, the greater the impact.
Stop reading here if you don't need a detailed answer.
Lift.
The span wise wing lift distribution is approximated by half of the lift
being a rectangular lift distribution, and the other half of the lift being an
elliptical lift distribution, from wingtip to wingtip.
If there is a leak in the wing (like removing the rubber seal at the wing
root), the lift becomes zero at this point.
Now there are two lift distributions, from each wingtip to the wing root,
and a smaller total lifting area. There are also the equivalent of four
wingtip edges for the lift distribution, instead of two, having two separate
rectangular and elliptical lift distribution curves.
There is a larger lift component required out of the reduced span lift
distribution.
Since there is a fixed maximum angle of attack available from the wing, this
angle of attack is reached at a high airspeed than with the wing root sealed.
Drag.
The normal fuselage and wing intersection combines two boundary layers
traveling at two different velocities. (The free stream velocity is the same.
The boundary layer velocities are different due to the difference in boundary
layer development along the fuselage and wing. Using the Reynolds number as a
reference, the Reynolds number for the air along the fuselage is a large
number, and the Reynolds number for the air at the leading edge of the wing
(stagnation point) is zero.)
With the rubber seal strip removed, there is a small amount of free stream
air entering the wing gap. In a small enough gap, the free stream air will
mix with the fuselage boundary layer air and the wing root separated air. This
airflow is stopped by the forward wing bracket (tank bracket) and the wing
spar, and spills out at the wing root with a vertical velocity into the free
stream air. (On the RV-8 with the rubber seal strip removed, it also caused a
tail buffet near the stall speed.)
With the aluminum gap fairing removed, the was significantly more free
stream air traveling between the wing and fuselage. The energy of this air
spilling vertically out of the gap affected a large area along the fuselage and
specifically along the wing root. And significantly increase the drag on the
airframe. (This also effectively reduced the wing area available to produce
lift.)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 10/26/2004 11:59:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Time: 09:37:54 PM PST US
From: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Subject: RV-List: Wing root fairings
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Now that I know I can use the flat aluminum wing root fairings, does
anybody
have
any info on performance? I saw one post that said stall speed could go up
to
70 just by leaving off the rubber seal, and to 100 by omitting the fairings
completely. Have these results been documented? Can anyone explain exactly
why
this occurs?
Steve Zicree
RV4, wrestling with canopy frame
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" <ollie-6a@prodigy.net>
MK12d has been in our 6a since 95 and has never had a problem. If you are
not going to use VOR there are smaller and lighter radios such as ICOM.
Ollie 6A Central Fl.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Harker" <dpharker@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RV-List: Avionics
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Harker" <dpharker@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Starting to think about avionics.
>
> Would like to hear offline--- people's firsthand experiences with Narco
> Mk12D+ avionics, 122D and/or Garmin GNC-300XL GPS/Comm.
>
> Interested in your thoughts on performance and value.
>
> Thanks
>
> Don Harker
> RV-7A Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | Brotherhood of RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Howdy list!
This past Sunday I dropped in to give fellow builder and lister Bobby Hester
(surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY) a short ride and while there,
experienced some engine difficulty. Although he had intended spending the day
working
on his own RV, instead he spent the entire afternoon assisting my with my
airplane- what a guy! Just wanted to take this opportunity to publicly thank him
for his invaluable time, assistance and tools, and saving me from being
stranded in the wilds of Kentucky!
Thanks Bobby!
From the PossumWorks in the wilds of Tennessee-
Mark Phillips
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
SNIP Anyone hear of anything new on the EFIS horizon? no pun intended.
lucky
SNIP
Lucky,
I've got 5 hours behind my GRT EFIS Horizon in my Rocket. All I can say
is WOW!
It will take me another 20 hours just to figure out how to use all of
the nifty stuff it will do!
I've had the usual teething problems, all related to things I've done
wrong, nothing that a phone call hasn't been able to fix in 2 minutes.
So far, I'm quite pleased with it. If you need more details visit my
website or www.grtavionics.com.
No, they don't pay me to say this stuff....but they should!!!
Vince Frazier
F-1H Rocket, N540VF
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
http://www.ba-elec.com/New%20avionics/products.html
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| Subject: | RE: [rv8list] another EFIS? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
Bill,
Any idea what this costs? Website wouldn't load "pricing" page.
Dave
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
Subject: [rv8list] another EFIS?
http://www.ba-elec.com/New%20avionics/products.html
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| Subject: | Re: Brotherhood of RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Hester" <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:10 (CDT)
> Subject: RV-List: Brotherhood of RVs
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> Howdy list!
>
> This past Sunday I dropped in to give fellow builder and lister Bobby Hester
> (surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY) a short ride and while there,
> experienced some engine difficulty. Although he had intended spending the
> day working
> on his own RV, instead he spent the entire afternoon assisting my with my
> airplane- what a guy! Just wanted to take this opportunity to publicly
> thank him
> for his invaluable time, assistance and tools, and saving me from being
> stranded in the wilds of Kentucky!
>
> Thanks Bobby!
>
> From the PossumWorks in the wilds of Tennessee-
> Mark Phillips
> do not archive
>
Not a problem at all. Any one passing thru this area, feel free to stop by. If
you need anything a ride for food, tools to work on something, what ever just
give me a call or have the people in the terminal give me a call.
I think when I start flying I'll print out the list on Doug Reeves site with all
the contact info of the group users, so if I'm ever out and down or is that
down and out, I'll be able to call someone close for help.
Mark, I hope the engine problem was just a grimlin that we chased out. Let me know!
I'm in Chicago fro the rest of the week. Glad the relitives have internet
access :-) Now back to eating Chicago dogs and Italian Beef :-) Later!
-------
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
RV7A web site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite
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| Subject: | Re: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Really good point. People have suggested climbing rope, but that stuff is
crazy strong. I'd hate to have the canopy attached only by that and flailing
around smacking me in the head.
Steve Zicree
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
>
> I thought the reason for the flimsy lanyard was to go hand-in-hand with
the
> light pop-rivets holding the canopy hinge to the fuselage: make it
> jettisonable.
> Is there any chance of the canopy staying attached to the airframe and
> flailing around, possibly bashing either the pilot or the passenger, if
the
> hinge rivets let go but a too-strong lanyard won't break?
> Scott in VAncouver
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV4 canopy restraint lanyard
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Avast me hearty I use a lanyard. But then my airplane has this whole
> > post neo-redneck thing going on so the lanyard fits right in. I used a
> > short piece of cargo strap like you could buy at AutoZone, a hose clamp
> > to hold it to the cross member of the roll bar and then a pop rivet
> > through the strap into the cross member of the canopy frame. I kept it
> > short enough to keep away from the rear stick. I'll replace it "one of
> > these days" but for now it works.
> >
> > steve zicree wrote:
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
> >>
> >>Listers,
> >>
> >>Any RV4 folks out there with pics or drawings or what-have-you of canopy
> >>restraint methods. The plans call for a "lanyard" but I would like
> >>something a little more aircrafty. I mean, lanyard?! What am I, a
pirate?
> >>
> >>Ahoy,
> >>Steve Zicree
> >>RV4, On main gear today
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Scott VanArtsdalen
> > Van Arts Consulting Services
> > 3848 McHenry Ave
> > Suite #155-184
> > Modesto, CA 95356
> > 209-986-4647
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
Got better shots of most of the functions than their web site does? They seem
to gloss over details of their moving map and that leads me to think it's not
a very good page.
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A"
>
>
> SNIP Anyone hear of anything new on the EFIS horizon? no pun intended.
>
> lucky
>
> SNIP
>
> Lucky,
>
> I've got 5 hours behind my GRT EFIS Horizon in my Rocket. All I can say
> is WOW!
>
> It will take me another 20 hours just to figure out how to use all of
> the nifty stuff it will do!
>
> I've had the usual teething problems, all related to things I've done
> wrong, nothing that a phone call hasn't been able to fix in 2 minutes.
> So far, I'm quite pleased with it. If you need more details visit my
> website or www.grtavionics.com.
>
> No, they don't pay me to say this stuff....but they should!!!
>
> Vince Frazier
> F-1H Rocket, N540VF
> http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
Got better shots of most of the functions than their web site does? They seem to
gloss over details of their moving map and that leads me to think it's not a
very good page.
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFRAZIER@USI.EDU>
SNIP Anyone hear of anything new on the EFIS horizon? no pun intended.
lucky
SNIP
Lucky,
I've got 5 hours behind my GRT EFIS Horizon in my Rocket. All I can say
is WOW!
It will take me another 20 hours just to figure out how to use all of
the nifty stuff it will do!
I've had the usual teething problems, all related to things I've done
wrong, nothing that a phone call hasn't been able to fix in 2 minutes.
So far, I'm quite pleased with it. If you need more details visit my
website or www.grtavionics.com.
No, they don't pay me to say this stuff....but they should!!!
Vince Frazier
F-1H Rocket, N540VF
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
tronics.com/search
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| Subject: | JB Aircraft Engine Services - references |
--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
Anybody on the list dealt with JB Aircraft Engine Services, Inc in
Sebring, Florida?
Steve
RV7A #2
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
I flew in the back seat of the great Bill Benidict's RV-4 at one of the
homecomings for about an hour one year(96'-97'). Yes, fun to fly and I will
never forget it, but the back seat of the 4 compared to the 8 there is no
comparison. The foot wells and the more reclined body position in the 8
makes a world of difference on your back.
You have to think of your PAX(wife) if you want to go places together. All
that said, everyone find's something about an airplane that they love and
Van's provides so many models to make our decision even harder. I will build
a few of these airplane's before my day comes.
Bruce Gray RV8 Wings #81745
>From: smoothweasel@juno.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:41:15 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
>
> > RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27
> > October at Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but
> > nothing
> > that can't be tweeked. NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
> > >
>
>Congradulations MAN!!!!!! You now own THE best of ALL the RV
>models!!!!!!! See ya in the air.
>
>Do not archive.
>
>Weasel -4 (85hr)
>
>Now includes pop-up blocker!
>Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Oh, don't get me wrong, I love ALL of the RVs, but I'm building a BearHawk
to satisfy my side by side and back seat desires (also floats and STOL
cravings). I definitely want to either build or buy a tandem RV someday. I'm
a big guy (6'3" and 200 lbs) and the RV8 fits me very well. I've never been
in an RV4.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> Because the 4 looks sexy. The 8 has that whole Cessna thing going on
> with it's cowling. Cruise about as fast on less horsepower and handle
> better in the air in my opinion.
>
> I'm not stirring the pot or anything but why don't you care about the
> others?
>
> Dr. Kevin Leathers wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers"
<DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> >
> >I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything, but I am wondering why you
> >consider the RV4 to be superior to the RV8? (I don't care about the
others.)
> >
> >Doc
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <smoothweasel@juno.com>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27
> >>>October at Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but
> >>>nothing
> >>>that can't be tweeked. NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Congradulations MAN!!!!!! You now own THE best of ALL the RV
> >>models!!!!!!! See ya in the air.
> >>
> >>Do not archive.
> >>
> >>Weasel -4 (85hr)
> >>
> >>Now includes pop-up blocker!
> >>Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> Van Arts Consulting Services
> 3848 McHenry Ave
> Suite #155-184
> Modesto, CA 95356
> 209-986-4647
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> Because the 4 looks sexy. The 8 has that whole Cessna thing going on
> with it's cowling. Cruise about as fast on less horsepower and handle
> better in the air in my opinion.
>
> I'm not stirring the pot or anything but why don't you care about the
> others?
>
> Dr. Kevin Leathers wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers"
<DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> >
> >I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything, but I am wondering why you
> >consider the RV4 to be superior to the RV8? (I don't care about the
others.)
> >
> >Doc
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <smoothweasel@juno.com>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27
> >>>October at Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but
> >>>nothing
> >>>that can't be tweeked. NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Congradulations MAN!!!!!! You now own THE best of ALL the RV
> >>models!!!!!!! See ya in the air.
> >>
> >>Do not archive.
> >>
> >>Weasel -4 (85hr)
> >>
> >>Now includes pop-up blocker!
> >>Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> Van Arts Consulting Services
> 3848 McHenry Ave
> Suite #155-184
> Modesto, CA 95356
> 209-986-4647
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Way to Go Ray !!! I know we ain't as numerous as the 6's, 8's, 9's, and soon
to be 10's.... but we 4's are the BEST.
Raymond Wallace <rawmailman@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Raymond Wallace
RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27 October at
Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but nothing that can't be tweeked.
NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
---------------------------------
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--> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
Grove is now taking orders for March 05 delivery for the RV-8 aero gear.
If more orders come in and the materials come in they could start sooner
and ship sooner. ( 8 sets at a time) I'm # 4, add your name to the list.
I should have checked the lead time before :( No matter the timing
should be fine.
http://www.groveaircraft.com/rv8.html
46 7AC (sold)
RV-4
RV-8 Tail (QB on its way)
Sal Capra
Lakeland, FL.
My Home Page
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--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
I need to replace one of the" Parflex" Tubing going from the Reservoir,
to one of the master cylinders, on passenger side.
I have the tubing, (1/4 O.D. .063 wall) all I need are the Inserts.
One is brass, for the side to the cylinder, and the other is the plastic
that goes to the reservoir...
Any one knows if Spruce has them, looking at the catalog, it seems
they are too big?
Wicks aircraft, shows, that their inserts are for specific tubing,,..
I do not want to order from Van's...
Thanks for the suggestions or info.
Bert
Rv6a
Getting there..
Do Not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Doc,
Bigger back seat area, bigger front seat area, a great look, best
performance, can you spell ROCKET. :-)
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
200+ hours and loving it.
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Kevin Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers"
> <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Oh, don't get me wrong, I love ALL of the RVs, but I'm building a
> BearHawk
> to satisfy my side by side and back seat desires (also floats and STOL
> cravings). I definitely want to either build or buy a tandem RV someday.
> I'm
> a big guy (6'3" and 200 lbs) and the RV8 fits me very well. I've never
> been
> in an RV4.
>
> Doc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Because the 4 looks sexy. The 8 has that whole Cessna thing going on
>> with it's cowling. Cruise about as fast on less horsepower and handle
>> better in the air in my opinion.
>>
>> I'm not stirring the pot or anything but why don't you care about the
>> others?
>>
>> Dr. Kevin Leathers wrote:
>>
>> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers"
> <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>> >
>> >I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything, but I am wondering why you
>> >consider the RV4 to be superior to the RV8? (I don't care about the
> others.)
>> >
>> >Doc
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: <smoothweasel@juno.com>
>> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27
>> >>>October at Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but
>> >>>nothing
>> >>>that can't be tweeked. NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>Congradulations MAN!!!!!! You now own THE best of ALL the RV
>> >>models!!!!!!! See ya in the air.
>> >>
>> >>Do not archive.
>> >>
>> >>Weasel -4 (85hr)
>> >>
>> >>Now includes pop-up blocker!
>> >>Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Scott VanArtsdalen
>> Van Arts Consulting Services
>> 3848 McHenry Ave
>> Suite #155-184
>> Modesto, CA 95356
>> 209-986-4647
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Hi Gummy,
I love Rockets too, but I'm not a fighter pilot like you, with thousands of
hours at the stick in amazing airplanes. I'm a low time student pilot who
wants to stay alive long enough to maybe learn to fly almost as well as you
do ;-)
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Doc,
>
> Bigger back seat area, bigger front seat area, a great look, best
> performance, can you spell ROCKET. :-)
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
> 200+ hours and loving it.
>
> do not archive
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dr. Kevin Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers"
> > <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> >
> > Oh, don't get me wrong, I love ALL of the RVs, but I'm building a
> > BearHawk
> > to satisfy my side by side and back seat desires (also floats and STOL
> > cravings). I definitely want to either build or buy a tandem RV someday.
> > I'm
> > a big guy (6'3" and 200 lbs) and the RV8 fits me very well. I've never
> > been
> > in an RV4.
> >
> > Doc
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> Because the 4 looks sexy. The 8 has that whole Cessna thing going on
> >> with it's cowling. Cruise about as fast on less horsepower and handle
> >> better in the air in my opinion.
> >>
> >> I'm not stirring the pot or anything but why don't you care about the
> >> others?
> >>
> >> Dr. Kevin Leathers wrote:
> >>
> >> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers"
> > <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> >> >
> >> >I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything, but I am wondering why you
> >> >consider the RV4 to be superior to the RV8? (I don't care about the
> > others.)
> >> >
> >> >Doc
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: <smoothweasel@juno.com>
> >> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>RV-4 N7015, kit number 3645, took to the air for the first time, 27
> >> >>>October at Great Falls, Montana. A little left wing heavy but
> >> >>>nothing
> >> >>>that can't be tweeked. NOW THE FUN BEGINS!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>Congradulations MAN!!!!!! You now own THE best of ALL the RV
> >> >>models!!!!!!! See ya in the air.
> >> >>
> >> >>Do not archive.
> >> >>
> >> >>Weasel -4 (85hr)
> >> >>
> >> >>Now includes pop-up blocker!
> >> >>Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Scott VanArtsdalen
> >> Van Arts Consulting Services
> >> 3848 McHenry Ave
> >> Suite #155-184
> >> Modesto, CA 95356
> >> 209-986-4647
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Cessna cowl thing ??? You mean the -4 is sexier because it has a Piper Cub
cowl cheeks look ? HRII Rocket ?? Oh yea thats the one that has the P-51,
P-40 cowl look. I have flown in the backseat of a -4 with "heel cups" and
without. Why to you think we enlarged the design from RVator & installed
same in N561FS. Have yet to fly in a -8 but sitting in one I can say without
a doubt the HRII just has more of everthing and the -8 has more of the same
than the -4 and the -4 has more than a -3 and the -3 has more that the
Stitts playboy etc etc etc.... Sat in a LOTS of aircraft at OSH this year.
Most side by sides don't fit two "full" sized male adults including the -10
BUT the it comes closer than any of the others. Most kits will not carry two
"full" sized male adults either.
RV's are like gold bars, they come in differant shapes and sizes but they
are still "GOL:D".
I tried to trim the responces but still retain the gist of the comments.
KABONG Do Not Archive (GBA & GWB) 8*)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
> Bigger back seat area, bigger front seat area, a great look, best
> performance, can you spell ROCKET. :-)
> Tom Gummo
> 200+ hours and loving it.
>
> From: "Dr. Kevin Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
>> Oh, don't get me wrong, I love ALL of the RVs, but I'm building a
>> BearHawk
>> to satisfy my side by side and back seat desires (also floats and STOL
>> cravings). I definitely want to either build or buy a tandem RV someday.
>> I'm
>> a big guy (6'3" and 200 lbs) and the RV8 fits me very well. I've never
>> been
>> in an RV4.
>>
>> Doc
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Because the 4 looks sexy. The 8 has that whole Cessna thing going
on
>>> with it's cowling. Cruise about as fast on less horsepower and handle
>>> better in the air in my opinion.
>>>
>>> I'm not stirring the pot or anything but why don't you care about the
>>> others?
>>>
>>> Dr. Kevin Leathers wrote:
>>>
>>> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers"
>> <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>>> >
>>> >I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything, but I am wondering why you
>>> >consider the RV4 to be superior to the RV8? (I don't care about the
>> others.)
>>> >
>>> >Doc
>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >From: <smoothweasel@juno.com>
>>> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
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| Subject: | Re: Tubing Inserts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
For the brass stuff, do what Van's told me to do...head to Home Depot in the
aircraft...er...plumbing department. Lowes or Home Depot should have all
the brass stuff you need. Top notch aircraft quality endorsed by our
beloved Van's. 8-)
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <bertrv6@highstream.net>
Subject: RV-List: Tubing Inserts
> --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>
> Hi:
>
> I need to replace one of the" Parflex" Tubing going from the Reservoir,
> to one of the master cylinders, on passenger side.
>
> I have the tubing, (1/4 O.D. .063 wall) all I need are the Inserts.
> One is brass, for the side to the cylinder, and the other is the plastic
> that goes to the reservoir...
>
> Any one knows if Spruce has them, looking at the catalog, it seems
> they are too big?
>
> Wicks aircraft, shows, that their inserts are for specific tubing,,..
>
> I do not want to order from Van's...
>
>
> Thanks for the suggestions or info.
>
>
> Bert
>
>
> Rv6a
>
> Getting there..
>
>
> Do Not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trio Auto pilot |
--> RV-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
Anyone know if the Trio requires the smart coupler?
Thanks,
Ned
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| Subject: | Re: Add another Flying RV to the list |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Doc,
I now have a flying partner and he has no fighter time. He built a EAA
Biplane which he sold because it wasn't any fun to fly (his words not mine,
as I never flew it). We were sharing the hangar so I offered him part of
the rocket. He had less than 100 hours tail wheel time. We put in a rear
throttle and rudder pedals and after 10 hours with an CFI (insurance
requirement) he was ready to solo the Rocket.
It is just a plane after all (BUT WHAT A PLANE). :-) He flys it like a fast
Cessna while I ...
Gummy
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Kevin Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin Leathers"
> <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Hi Gummy,
>
> I love Rockets too, but I'm not a fighter pilot like you, with thousands
> of
> hours at the stick in amazing airplanes. I'm a low time student pilot who
> wants to stay alive long enough to maybe learn to fly almost as well as
> you
> do ;-)
>
> Doc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Add another Flying RV to the list
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>>
>> Doc,
>>
>> Bigger back seat area, bigger front seat area, a great look, best
>> performance, can you spell ROCKET. :-)
>>
>> Tom Gummo
>> Apple Valley, CA
>> Harmon Rocket-II
>> 200+ hours and loving it.
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
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--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
Hey Mickey
wass immer du sagst, mein schweizer freund.
Abby will be at your doorstep in no time if ya just send her a ticket.
Oh make that 2 so her hubby can come along too ;-)
but failing that, she'll do whatever it takes, the 'not so lucky' ones
may have to meet her halfway.
Gert
Mickey Coggins wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Hi Gert,
>
> Stop yakin' and start snappin! Snapping pictures, that is! :-)
>
> I didn't realize she'd come to my house in Switzerland and
> fit the seats, that's really great!
>
> Mickey
>
>
>
>>Yeah, They're great, but....
>>
>>having Abby do housecalls right at your hanger/garage for those few
>>lucky ones...and not just once....
>>
>>PRICELESS !!!!!
>>
>>She'll come and personally fit them for you.
>
>
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trio Auto pilot |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
No, the Trio does not need the smart coupler
Gary
923te wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
>
>Anyone know if the Trio requires the smart coupler?
>
>Thanks,
>Ned
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | seat foam quality |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
Can someone tell me what the seat of the pants difference is between confor foam
and visco elastic foam and why I'd want one over the other?
Also, Abby said she just adds a layer of either at extra charge. Do I want to
go with Oregon Aero or Van's RV8 foam and mail them to her? Is there any noticeable
difference in any of the above?
Finally, Abby has different seat styles. What are folks real happy with in the
8?
do not archive,
Lucky
Can someone tell me what the seat of the pantsdifference is between confor foam
and visco elastic foam and why I'd want one over the other?
Also, Abby said she just adds a layer of either at extra charge. Do I want to go
with Oregon Aero or Van's RV8 foam and mail them to her? Is there any noticeable
difference in any of the above?
Finally, Abby has different seat styles. What are folks real happy with in the
8?
do not archive,
Lucky
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| Subject: | Re: >Re:Tubing Inserts |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
NAPA auto parts usually has these too. Take along a piece of tubing to test
fit - gently , they may be hard to remove.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received": rv-list@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: GMC <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
Starting my annual inspection and this question arose, should I lubricate
the UHMU plastic blocks that support the rudder pedals and flap weldments or
are they self lubricating. If lube is required silicone spray or ??
Thanks,
George in Langley.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim & Bev Cone" <jimnbev@olypen.com>
MK12D+ is bullet proof. It is the best radio/nav I have ever used, period.
Jim Cone
3 peat offender
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| Subject: | countersunk rivets |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Can anyone tell a mainly plastic airplane builder what the general rule of
thumb is for when you can countersink sheet metal instead of dimple for a
flush rivet.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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| Subject: | Re: countersunk rivets |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Brian,
Machine counter sinking is an option for structual parts that are .032 thick
and thicker.
Dimpling can be done on materials as thick as .040.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Subject: RV-List: countersunk rivets
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
> Can anyone tell a mainly plastic airplane builder what the general rule of
> thumb is for when you can countersink sheet metal instead of dimple for a
> flush rivet.
>
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 10/28/2004 7:56:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
gmcnutt@shaw.ca writes:
Starting my annual inspection and this question arose, should I lubricate
the UHMU plastic blocks that support the rudder pedals and flap weldments or
are they self lubricating. If lube is required silicone spray or ??
I don't have any UHMU (sounds like an African plastic) but for lubricating
UHMW I use Lubriplate (white lithium based grease).
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 725 hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: countersunk rivets |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Brian,
Note that the figures below are for 3/32 rivets, the 1/8 rivets require .050
or thicker to machine countersink.
Steve Zicree
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: countersunk rivets
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Machine counter sinking is an option for structual parts that are .032
thick
> and thicker.
> Dimpling can be done on materials as thick as .040.
>
> Jim in Kelowna
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: countersunk rivets
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
> >
> > Can anyone tell a mainly plastic airplane builder what the general rule
of
> > thumb is for when you can countersink sheet metal instead of dimple for
a
> > flush rivet.
> >
> >
> > Brian Kraut
> > Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> > www.engalt.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris & Kellie Hand" <ckhand@earthlink.net>
I asked Van's this question recently, specifically about the rudder pedal
bearing blocks, and the answer I got was:
no lubricant is necessary as the blocks are a teflon based plastic.
Chris Hand
RV-6A, working with fuselage & finishing kits
----- Original Message -----
From: "GMC" <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
Received : rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Lubrication
> --> RV-List message posted by: GMC <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
>
>
> Starting my annual inspection and this question arose, should I lubricate
> the UHMU plastic blocks that support the rudder pedals and flap weldments
or
> are they self lubricating. If lube is required silicone spray or ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> George in Langley.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: countersunk rivets |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Brian:
The minimum thickness of material considered acceptable for
machine countersinking a given hole to accept a standard NAS426
rivet is .032. This is marginal because if you countersink the
slightest bit too deep, you will knife edge the material, not a
good thing. You can, however, machine countersink considerably
thinner material to accept a 1097 rivet which is generally used
(among other things) to support nutplate installation. There are
tricks you can play. For example, when I built the fuel tanks for
my 6A, which uses an .032 aluminum skin, I wanted the upper
surfaces as smooth as possible, yet was reluctant to dimple
because of the inherent distortion generated by the dimpling
process. To avoid any possibility of generating a knife edge
(and potential leak source), I purposely machine countersunk the
upper surface holes to a depth somewhat deeper than a 1097 but
a bit less than a 426, then after installing the 426's, used a
rivet shaver to achieve maximum surface smoothness. Bottom line:
.032 is the minimum acceptable material thickness for machine
countersinking to accomodate the ubiquitous 426 rivet.
Rick Galati RV-6A finishing
Can anyone tell a mainly plastic airplane builder what the general
rule of thumb is for when you can countersink sheet metal instead
of dimple for a flush rivet.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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