Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:08 AM - Landing lights (Mickey Coggins)
2. 12:08 AM - Re: firewall recess in a QB 0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO (Jim Jewell)
3. 03:19 AM - Matronics 2004 Email List Fund Raiser [PLEASE READ] (Matt Dralle)
4. 05:19 AM - Re: RV-6A Main Gear Leg Fairings. (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
5. 05:58 AM - Re: Landing lights (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
6. 06:15 AM - Wheel Pant Question (tacaruth@ralcorp.com)
7. 06:30 AM - Re: RV-6A Main Gear Leg Fairings. (tacaruth@ralcorp.com)
8. 06:34 AM - Re: fuse order time (Charlie Kuss)
9. 06:42 AM - Re: Wheel Pant Question (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
10. 07:43 AM - Re: Wheel Pant Question (Dan Checkoway)
11. 07:58 AM - Re: Landing lights (Mickey Coggins)
12. 08:43 AM - Re: RV-6A Main Gear Leg Fairings. (Jim Jewell)
13. 09:14 AM - Re: Landing lights 0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO (Jeff Dowling)
14. 09:16 AM - Re: RV-6A Main Gear Leg Fairings. (Jeff Dowling)
15. 09:29 AM - Fuel senders to float or not to float (Kevin Shannon)
16. 10:09 AM - Blue Mountain EFIS LITE DATABASE UPDATE. (Bruno)
17. 10:22 AM - Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float (Scott Bilinski)
18. 10:46 AM - Re: Archangel Efis (Christopher Stone)
19. 11:03 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS LITE DATABASE UPDATE. (Terry Watson)
20. 11:56 AM - Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
21. 12:16 PM - Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
22. 12:31 PM - Flying RVs (Lenleg@aol.com)
23. 01:18 PM - Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float (Scott Bilinski)
24. 01:28 PM - Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float (Scott Bilinski)
25. 01:47 PM - Re: fuse order time (Mike Robertson)
26. 02:30 PM - Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float (RV_8 Pilot)
27. 02:38 PM - Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float (Mickey Coggins)
28. 02:41 PM - Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float (RV_8 Pilot)
29. 02:57 PM - Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float (Scott Bilinski)
30. 07:32 PM - Bending Hinge Pin ()
31. 07:47 PM - Re: Bending Hinge Pin (Vanremog@aol.com)
32. 07:52 PM - Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float (Vanremog@aol.com)
33. 08:40 PM - Tufting (Jeff Bertsch)
34. 11:31 PM - Re: Bending Hinge Pin (Mickey Coggins)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi Jim,
I've got a couple of articles with some pictures of the landing
lights and LED position lights on my home page: http://rv8.ch/
The Creativair landing lights are stone simple, and pretty easy
to install. If you do go with the Duckworks kit, be careful
cutting out the hole in the wing. I have a friend that made the
cut out with the wing upside down, and of course the hole was
in the wrong place.
Mickey
>I'm looking at my wings and debating between the Duckworks HID leading
>edge landing light ($450 for one light from Van's) and the CreativAir
>wingtip halogen landing light ($120 for a pair- one in each wingtip).
>Any discussion of the advantages of one or the other would be helpful.
>Also any factors favoring right wing vs left wing installation if I
>choose a single light? I'm thinking that illuminating the driver's
>side of the taxiway would be a good choice but I've seen several side by
>side RVs with the light in the right wing.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: firewall recess in a QB 0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO |
Received: contains a forged HELO
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Tom,
I'm glad your a happy builder{[:-)!
Jim in Kelowna
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: firewall recess in a QB 0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO
> --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
> Jim:
> That worked out well. That Stainless eats up the cutting disks
> pretty
> fast, but it was controllable. I cut the firewall about 1/16" or 1/32"
> away from the aluminum angle backing it up on the cabin side and then
> trimmed the last bit of the edge with a chassis nibbler. I got the edge
> nice and flush with the aluminum angle.
>
> Jim Jewell wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> If you have or can beg, borrow or buy a Dremel tool (hobby sized hi speed
>> grinder) with a package of their "cut off wheel no. 409" you should get
>> the
>> job done quite well.
>> Drill 3/32 holes at each corners from the cockpit side. Then use the
>> holes
>> on the outside to tape off the cut lines. Use the Dremel to cut the hole
>> and
>> finish the edges with a fine grit Dremel sanding drum or hand fie file as
>> needed.
>
>>>I am about to install the firewall recess in my 6A. Since this is a QB,
>>>the firewall area is already fully assembled. Does any one have any
>>>suggestions about how to cut the firewall sheet cleanly after it is
>>>rivetted to the airplane?
>
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Matronics 2004 Email List Fund Raiser [PLEASE READ] |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6A Main Gear Leg Fairings. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
> Anybody have advice on how to make this process faster and less painful?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
1. Level the plane with the fairings installed
2. Using plumb lines from the center of the firewall and tail, chalk a
centerline on the floor extending several feet behind the plane
3. Highlight the trailing edge of each fairing- place the side of a Sharpie
tip on the edge of the fairing and run it down the full length of the fairing
4. Mark the fairing trailing edge at midpoint and use a plumbline to mark
this point on the floor (both sides)
5. Measure the distance from these points to the centerline and chalk two
lines rearward from them parallel to the centerline
6. Place your better eye next to the floor at the rear of these two lines and
see if the same amount of fairing is visible on both sides of the trailing
edge- adjust as necessary until it appears the trailing edge is running right
down the center of the fairing- clamp them firmly into final position
If you need to move or remove them before making or attaching intersection
fairings, you'll need a good reference point to avoid the above. Once mine were
in position, I ran the hinge pin up to the lower skin and marked where it
touched the skin in case I had to pull them off.
May be better ways, but this worked well for me
From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark - 125 hours and plane still nekkid 8-(
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| Subject: | Re: Landing lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 11/1/04 3:09:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
mick-matronics@rv8.ch writes:
> I have a friend that made the
> cut out with the wing upside down, and of course the hole was
> in the wrong place.
>
> Mickey
>
And then what did he do?
Dan H
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Wheel Pant Question |
11/01/2004 08:14:54 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
HI All,
On the plans for the 7A wheelpants, it shows using Tinnerman washers for
the #6 screws that hold the front and rear halves together. It does not,
however, show using the washers for the #8's that hold the pants to the
aluminum brackets. Would this be a good idea to prevent the screws pulling
through the fiberglass?
Thanks,
Tom
RV-7A, ready to begin engine mounting and FWF.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6A Main Gear Leg Fairings. |
11/01/2004 08:29:52 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
The upper gear fairing that Fairings Etc sells should align the leg
fairing. Talk with Bob at Fairings Etc about this.
Tom
"DEAN
PSIROPOULOS"
<dean.psiropoulos To
@verizon.net> <rv-list@matronics.com>
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Fairings.
11/01/2004 12:18
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--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
<dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Anybody have advice on how to make this process faster and less painful?
The prints and manual talk about the importance of getting the leg fairings
lined up so they are parallell to the airstream and not acting like rudders
on the front of the airplane. I looked at what Van's shows on the
blueprints on how to do this and in theory it should work but it's a
tedious time consuming process and I'm not sure that the results would
actually be all that accurate. Since I've spent the last half dozen
weekends and a few weeknights doing wheel pants and getting THEM aligned
into the airflow and set at the correct height, etc. etc. ........ I'm
kinda burned out with this and am hoping some has a quicker easier method
for doing this. Just seems like a hell of a lot of effort for something
seemingly trivial. Any suggestions? Also, what is everyone's experience in
the field? Those that didn't do that great a job aligning these things
have rudder trim different with fairings on than!
with them off? Van's manual spend several sentences talking about the
importance of getting this accurate but I'm having a difficult time
figuring out how to do this accurately, like the wheel pants, the gear legs
and fairings are curved shapes that are hard to make reference points on.
What's the scoop from you folks with experience? Thanks for the help.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Wondering if it'll ever get done!
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| Subject: | Re: fuse order time |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Greg,
Changing the position of the ground adjustable rudder pedals is about as
easy as working under the dash of an MG Midget! In other words, a real
bitch! Stick with the in flight units. Even if no one else ever flies the
plane, you'll like being able to easily change your foot position while in
flight.
Trim is a personal decision. Manual is less money & work to install
(assuming you want the electric on your stick grip). The electric is
lighter weight. I went with the electric for both axis, as I wanted the GIB
to be able to fly and trim the plane. No easy way to do that with manual trim.
The electric units come with an LED indicator for each axis. No indicator
for the manual system.
Vans makes no provision for checking the tightness of 8 AN3 nut/bolt
combinations at the forward end of the fuselage. These bolts hold the lower
fuselage longerons to the firewall (which supports the engine). These are
VERY important bolts. I've modified my firewall with 2 access covers to
allow access to check and tighten these bolts after construction is
complete. I'm including 2 photos of my mod. You want to do this while the
fuselage is still in the jig.
The mod can be done later, but is easier if done while building. If you
even THINK you'll add a pitch servo for your autopilot, don't make the
F-818 brackets as shown by Vans. You can simply make them as shown on the
attached drawing. This is how TruTrak mounts their servo for pitch control.
This mod will add little or no work, IF done during the building phase.
If you want to have all your floors removable, don't rivet the floor ribs
together as suggested by the Orndorff video tapes. Mount them with only
Clecos. Fit the floor skins while the fuselage is still upside down in the
jig. This will allow you to remove the floor ribs when you take the rest of
the fuselage apart to de burr, dimple, etch, Alodine and prime. It's easier
to do this for the floor ribs, if you haven't permanently riveted them in
place. With the floor ribs removable, you will only have to de burr and
dimple on them one time.
Following Vans instructions, this will be a 3 phase process. It will also
me much easier and less work to fit all the nutplates on these ribs (for
the removable flooring) if you can do it at the work bench.
How tall are you? If you are over 6'2", I'd suggest getting the "tall
pilot" seat back weldment option. This moves the pilot's seat back about 2".
Charlie Kuss
PS For those of you reading this on the RV List, you won't see the photos
and drawing that I sent to Greg. The list strips out all attachments.
Contact me "off list" if you'd like to see these.
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com>
>
>Hi all,
>It's time for me to order the fuse kit for my 8 and I want to enlist the
>lists help in making some decisions.
>Should I get the ground adjustable rudders? How easy is it to get down
>there and adjust them when needed?
>Electric or manual aileron trim? Does either come with some type of
>indicator for trim position?
>Anything else I should think of now?
>I'm leaning towards the Altrak and Trio AP, I suppose I should at least
>get the servos now, but I'd like to hold off on the electronics as much
>as possible since there is always an upgrade coming. Do these servos work
>with all autopilots in case I change my mind as to which autopilot I want
>later?
>
>Thanks
>Greg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pant Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 11/1/04 8:16:15 AM Central Standard Time,
tacaruth@ralcorp.com writes:
> On the plans for the 7A wheelpants, it shows using Tinnerman washers for
> the #6 screws that hold the front and rear halves together. It does not,
> however, show using the washers for the #8's that hold the pants to the
> aluminum brackets. Would this be a good idea to prevent the screws pulling
> through the fiberglass?
>>>>>>>
FWIW, I used #8 screws for all the screws on the wheelpants- a neat trick is
using #6 finishing washers (NAS390, also referred to as 603) on these as they
are a much nicer fit to the #8 screws (flush with the screw head with less of
the washer showing).
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_search_results.php/search=bmFzMzkw
Don't recall if the plans mention this, but adding several layers of glass
inside the pant where the screws go through thickens the material for a better
countersink and stronger attach point.
Also, highly recommend torx head screws from Microfasteners:
http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/products/SSCFCMXS.cfm
I used these all over the plane and (IMHO) they are a HUGE improvement over
Phillips!
Mark Phillips
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pant Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> however, show using the washers for the #8's that hold the pants to the
> aluminum brackets. Would this be a good idea to prevent the screws
pulling
> through the fiberglass?
In my opinion, yes. I glassed tinnermans right into the wheel pant when I
did my lower intersection fairings recently. That way the washers aren't
visible when all is said and done, but the protection is there.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Landing lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>> I have a friend that made the
>> cut out with the wing upside down, and of course the hole was
>> in the wrong place.
>
>And then what did he do?
He put a patch on the original hole, and then
installed the light correctly on the other wing.
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6A Main Gear Leg Fairings. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Re- gear fairings,
I found that 'after' carefully doing the alignment as suggested in the Van's
instructions Bob's (Fairings Etc) upper fairings fit very nicely, the
reverse order of Dean's note below. This gives me cause to think they will
fly well and that Bobs claim is as good as his product, well made indeed!.
However the first flight is likely to happen in the coming year (Where have
I heard that said before) and the truth will be seen then.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: <tacaruth@ralcorp.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-6A Main Gear Leg Fairings.
> --> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
>
>
> The upper gear fairing that Fairings Etc sells should align the leg
> fairing. Talk with Bob at Fairings Etc about this.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "DEAN
> PSIROPOULOS"
> <dean.psiropoulos To
> @verizon.net> <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent by: cc
> owner-rv-list-ser
> ver@matronics.com Subject
> RV-List: RV-6A Main Gear Leg
> Fairings.
> 11/01/2004 12:18
> AM
>
>
> Please respond to
> rv-list@matronics
> .com
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
> <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
> Anybody have advice on how to make this process faster and less painful?
> The prints and manual talk about the importance of getting the leg
> fairings
> lined up so they are parallell to the airstream and not acting like
> rudders
> on the front of the airplane. I looked at what Van's shows on the
> blueprints on how to do this and in theory it should work but it's a
> tedious time consuming process and I'm not sure that the results would
> actually be all that accurate. Since I've spent the last half dozen
> weekends and a few weeknights doing wheel pants and getting THEM aligned
> into the airflow and set at the correct height, etc. etc. ........ I'm
> kinda burned out with this and am hoping some has a quicker easier method
> for doing this. Just seems like a hell of a lot of effort for something
> seemingly trivial. Any suggestions? Also, what is everyone's experience
> in
> the field? Those that didn't do that great a job aligning these things
> have rudder trim different with fairings on than!
> with them off? Van's manual spend several sentences talking about the
> importance of getting this accurate but I'm having a difficult time
> figuring out how to do this accurately, like the wheel pants, the gear
> legs
> and fairings are curved shapes that are hard to make reference points on.
> What's the scoop from you folks with experience? Thanks for the help.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> Wondering if it'll ever get done!
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing lights 0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: |
contains a forged HELO
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
How about some Walmart specials for 10 bucks. Thats essentially what the
Duckworks is anyway. You can get the redneck pickup truck rollover
rectangular halogen 50watt lights from Wallyworld for 20 bucks for the pair.
You have to make up the housing with spare aluminum. It will help alot if
you can look at someone elses. You can bend some plexi on your own or just
by it from Vans. I have them on both wings and they work fine.
Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
140 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim & Kathy McChesney" <rvtach@highstream.net>
Subject: RV-List: Landing lights 0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a
forged HELO
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim & Kathy McChesney
> <rvtach@highstream.net>
>
> List-
>
> I'm looking at my wings and debating between the Duckworks HID leading
> edge landing light ($450 for one light from Van's) and the CreativAir
> wingtip halogen landing light ($120 for a pair- one in each wingtip).
> Any discussion of the advantages of one or the other would be helpful.
> Also any factors favoring right wing vs left wing installation if I
> choose a single light? I'm thinking that illuminating the driver's
> side of the taxiway would be a good choice but I've seen several side by
> side RVs with the light in the right wing.
>
> Thanks in advance for any info.
> Jim McChesney
> 7A-QB wings and fuse
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6A Main Gear Leg Fairings. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
If you buy fairings-etc intersection fairings they will line up the gear leg
frngs for you.
Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
140 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Subject: RV-List: RV-6A Main Gear Leg Fairings.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
> <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
> Anybody have advice on how to make this process faster and less painful?
> The prints and manual talk about the importance of getting the leg
> fairings lined up so they are parallell to the airstream and not acting
> like rudders on the front of the airplane. I looked at what Van's shows
> on the blueprints on how to do this and in theory it should work but it's
> a tedious time consuming process and I'm not sure that the results would
> actually be all that accurate. Since I've spent the last half dozen
> weekends and a few weeknights doing wheel pants and getting THEM aligned
> into the airflow and set at the correct height, etc. etc. ........ I'm
> kinda burned out with this and am hoping some has a quicker easier method
> for doing this. Just seems like a hell of a lot of effort for something
> seemingly trivial. Any suggestions? Also, what is everyone's experience
> in the field? Those that didn't do that great a job aligning these things
> have rudder trim different with fairings on than!
> with them off? Van's manual spend several sentences talking about the
> importance of getting this accurate but I'm having a difficult time
> figuring out how to do this accurately, like the wheel pants, the gear
> legs and fairings are curved shapes that are hard to make reference points
> on. What's the scoop from you folks with experience? Thanks for the
> help.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> Wondering if it'll ever get done!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel senders to float or not to float |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon@seanet.com>
I need to put the baffles on my fuel tanks, but have not decided what to
put in the panel yet. Does anyone know if Vans capacitive senders are
compatible with all the electronic systems out there? I read in the
archives that the S/W float type senders will work with the Grand Rapids
unit. Is this true with any of the other "glass cockpit" systems?
Kevin Shannon
RV 8
RV 9A 994KS sold
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS LITE DATABASE UPDATE. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bruno <rv4@videotron.ca>
Hello Listers
Here's an e-mail I sent to Blue Mountain Avionics
regarding their EFIS LITE.
Good day
I'm seriously considering an Efis Lite for my A/C in a near
future but I would like first to have a few questions answered if it's not
too much trouble.
1,- Is a flush mounting bracket available (Due to space/ thickness
constrains)
Not at this time.
2.- How long is your actual shipping schedule ( A friend was told 1 month,
then 2 mouths then a third delivery date extension?)
8-10 weeks at this time.
3.- How can the unit be updated once installed in the A/C,? Does it have to
be pulled out or is a laptop essential to do the updates?
Laptop is perfect. You will need some way to download the updates from the
website and connect to your processor. The Efis/Lite uses a compact flash
card for its internal memory.
4.- Can an actual size cardboard template( Like Dynon has ) be made
available so one can check instrument panel space requirement?
No. You can download a template from website and print for planning
purposes.
Shelia
Thanks a lot for your time
Bruno Dionne
rv4@videotron.ca
---------------------------------------------
1.- Looks like I'm gonna have to build my own "Flush mounting bracket"
2.- 8- 10 weeks delivery. ( A friend was told when he called due to delays
getting his that they were missing parts and waiting for them ) Make you
think, doesn't it?
3.- Are there anyone on the List using an Efis Lite or Efis One using a
compact flash card, how one can update or upload a database update to a
flash card ??
Thank you for your time
Bruno
r <mailto:rv4@videotron.ca> v4@videotron.ca
P.S# You may respond off list if you wish.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I realize this is kind of changing the subject here.....
I would use standard gages for fuel due to 100LL going away probably with
in 5 years. For its replacement check out AGE-85. Its certified and already
TC'ed for a few planes.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990720083151.htm
http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/news/news.cfm?News_ID=135
http://www.engineering.sdstate.edu/~ethanol/
At 09:28 AM 11/1/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon@seanet.com>
>
>
>I need to put the baffles on my fuel tanks, but have not decided what to
>put in the panel yet. Does anyone know if Vans capacitive senders are
>compatible with all the electronic systems out there? I read in the
>archives that the S/W float type senders will work with the Grand Rapids
>unit. Is this true with any of the other "glass cockpit" systems?
>
>Kevin Shannon
>RV 8
>RV 9A 994KS sold
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Archangel Efis |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Hello...
Sorry to hear of your misfortune with the authorities.
How old is your system? It has never been installed in an aircraft? What is your
asking price?
Chris Stone
RV-8
-----Original Message-----
From: Arnold de Brie <arnold@paperchip.com>
Subject: RV-List: Archangel Efis
--> RV-List message posted by: "Arnold de Brie" <arnold@paperchip.com>
Would anyone be interested in an Archangel Efis system complete with
AHRS, EFDS, ADS and remote flux gate compass.
It is sitting in my shop for quite a while here and the authorities here
won't let me install it in an experimental .
I fired the system up lately and it is still working fine.
The only things that have to be added are sensors for the temps/fuelflow
Contact me off-list
Arnold de Brie
The Netherlands
RV8
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS LITE DATABASE UPDATE. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Bruno,
The database update for my EFIS/one uses a compact flash card. It seems
like the ideal system to me. To update, download the latest from Blue
Mountain's website, copy that onto the compact flash card (using a $5 to $20
card reader/writer if you don't have one built in to your computer); put the
compact flash card in the EFIS and turn it on. That's it.
Terry
RV-8A wiring
Blue Mountain EFIS/one
Seattle
-> RV-List message posted by: Bruno <rv4@videotron.ca>
3.- Are there anyone on the List using an Efis Lite or Efis One using a
compact flash card, how one can update or upload a database update to a
flash card ??
Thank you for your time
Bruno
r <mailto:rv4@videotron.ca> v4@videotron.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 11/1/04 12:23:01 PM Central Standard Time,
bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes:
> I would use standard gages for fuel due to 100LL going away probably with
> in 5 years. For its replacement check out AGE-85. Its certified and already
> TC'ed for a few planes.
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990720083151.htm
>
> http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/news/news.cfm?News_ID=135
>
> http://www.engineering.sdstate.edu/~ethanol/
>>>>>
What's REALLY interesting is all this stuff is from 5 years AGO! Amazed I
haven't seen the AGE85 tanks out at the FBO by now......Any RECENT news?
Mark - do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
> I would use standard gages for fuel due to 100LL going away probably with
> in 5 years.
>>>>
Dug a bit and found this from Ocotber 11, 2002 (EAA typo, not mine!<G>):
http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/021011_cessna.html
From the article: After extensive evaluation of AGE-85, Cessna came to the
following conclusion: =E2=80=9CTo date, Cessna=E2=80=99s tests and evaluations
have
demonstrated that ethanol-based fuels such as AGE-85 cannot be considered as an
alternative to 100LL Avgas.=E2=80=9D
Big list of stuff Cessna didn't like about it. It does say it ain't
compatible with capacitive senders, tho....
Oh well..............
Mark - do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
Guys:
Had a fun experience yesterday that I felt I should share with the list to
offer encouragement to those of you still building.
Larry Bowen ... with 14 hours on his new 8 and I flew down to meet up with
Mike Munn (RV-8) to show a perspective builder the RVs and give the $$$$$ ride.
We departed as a flight of 3 .... buzzed a friend's grass strip ... could see
him down there waving !!!
Stopped at Martinsville, Va for a coke and changed planes for the passenger
so that he could get a different ride. On the approach back into Concord the
controller called out Aztec traffic off our right side on a long final ...
giving us the number 2 position ... we could not slow down enought for this Aztec
and finally the controller told him we were 40 kntos faster and to please turn
out and let us come on in .... IT WAS TERRIFIC !!!
The poor Aztec guy was a good sport and wanted to know what the heck we were
flying !! The controller was actually giggling over the radio ... man these
planes are fun ... and fast !!!
Oh yea ... the perspective builder ... he is taking the plunge !!!! Another
successful RV ride !! Welcome to the fold Scott !!
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
283 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I talked with the guy in charge of the program, he is the one that said 5
years. I also asked him about recent info and he said yea the web site
really needs to be updated!
At 02:55 PM 11/1/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 11/1/04 12:23:01 PM Central Standard Time,
>bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes:
>
> > I would use standard gages for fuel due to 100LL going away probably with
> > in 5 years. For its replacement check out AGE-85. Its certified and
> already
> > TC'ed for a few planes.
> >
> > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990720083151.htm
> >
> > http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/news/news.cfm?News_ID=135
> >
> > http://www.engineering.sdstate.edu/~ethanol/
>
> >>>>>
>
>What's REALLY interesting is all this stuff is from 5 years AGO! Amazed I
>haven't seen the AGE85 tanks out at the FBO by now......Any RECENT news?
>
>Mark - do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Interesting article, you could tell they were reaching to knock it though.
Bottom line, there is no other replacement av-gas that is this far along.
It has also proven to work. There is only one lead mine left producing TEL.
This is not good.
At 03:15 PM 11/1/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
>
> > I would use standard gages for fuel due to 100LL going away probably with
> > in 5 years.
>
> >>>>
>
>Dug a bit and found this from Ocotber 11, 2002 (EAA typo, not mine!<G>):
>
>http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/021011_cessna.html
>
> >From the article: After extensive evaluation of AGE-85, Cessna came to the
>following conclusion: =E2=80=9CTo date, Cessna=E2=80=99s tests and
>evaluations have
>demonstrated that ethanol-based fuels such as AGE-85 cannot be considered
>as an
>alternative to 100LL Avgas.=E2=80=9D
>
>Big list of stuff Cessna didn't like about it. It does say it ain't
>compatible with capacitive senders, tho....
>
>Oh well..............
>
>Mark - do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
If you are going to be the only one flying it except on a rare occassion,
then go with the ground adjustable pedals. To adjust them you remove the
forward baggage compartment floor. If you plan on someone else flying
frequently then go with the adjustable pedals.
The elctric trim adjust comes with a position indicator. The manual one
does not.
Mike Robertson
>From: "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: fuse order time
>Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:39:54 +1000 0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO
>Received: contains a forged HELO
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com>
>
>Hi all,
>It's time for me to order the fuse kit for my 8 and I want to enlist the
>lists help in making some decisions.
>Should I get the ground adjustable rudders? How easy is it to get down
>there and adjust them when needed?
>Electric or manual aileron trim? Does either come with some type of
>indicator for trim position?
>Anything else I should think of now?
>I'm leaning towards the Altrak and Trio AP, I suppose I should at least get
>the servos now, but I'd like to hold off on the electronics as much as
>possible since there is always an upgrade coming. Do these servos work
>with all autopilots in case I change my mind as to which autopilot I want
>later?
>
>Thanks
>Greg
>
>
hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
From "http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/021011_cessna.html"
Ethanol in airplanes, eh...
"To match detonation characteristics at high-power settings, the utilization
of ethanol-based fuels requires fuel flow volume increases of nearly 40
percent compared to 100LL fuel."
To match detonation characteristics, e.g., match power output - 40% more
flow, 40% more fuel volume required for comparable range.
What was this serious problem we're solving again?
Looks like Congress and the Corn lobby is going to take REAL good care of us
all.
do not archive
Bryan
>From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel senders to float or not to float
>Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:02:14 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>I realize this is kind of changing the subject here.....
>
>I would use standard gages for fuel due to 100LL going away probably with
>in 5 years. For its replacement check out AGE-85. Its certified and already
>TC'ed for a few planes.
>
>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990720083151.htm
>
>http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/news/news.cfm?News_ID=135
>
>http://www.engineering.sdstate.edu/~ethanol/
>
>
>At 09:28 AM 11/1/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon@seanet.com>
> >
> >
> >I need to put the baffles on my fuel tanks, but have not decided what to
> >put in the panel yet. Does anyone know if Vans capacitive senders are
> >compatible with all the electronic systems out there? I read in the
> >archives that the S/W float type senders will work with the Grand Rapids
> >unit. Is this true with any of the other "glass cockpit" systems?
> >
> >Kevin Shannon
> >RV 8
> >RV 9A 994KS sold
> >
> >
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>Interesting article, you could tell they were reaching to knock it though.
>Bottom line, there is no other replacement av-gas that is this far along.
>It has also proven to work. There is only one lead mine left producing TEL.
>This is not good.
I'll bet if leaded avgas disappeared tomorrow, the collective
ingenuity of the aviation community would solve the problem
very quickly.
There are solutions out there, but since avgas is still available,
there's no reason to introduce them, or get them certified. This
was discussed quite a while back here:
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182149-1.html
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
I've always thought it was foolish to think we could seriously consider
ethanol a significant source of fuel. Wondering just many acres it takes to
produce a barrel of ethanol, I did a search... here's what I found.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question707.htm
Interesting facts from the above link:
1. It takes 26.1 pounds of corn to make 1 gallon of ethanol
2. you need about 140 gallons (530 liters) of fossil fuel to plant, grow
and harvest an acre of corn
3. The final cost of the fuel-grade ethanol is about $2.49 per gallon
(corrected for $2/gal gasoline).
do not archive
Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I agree but as posted earlier this fuel is already certified. It did so
well in testing that the remaining tests were waived. There is no other
fuel this far along in the process. As far as other solutions out there, I
would sure like to know about them so I can read up.
At 11:38 PM 11/1/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>
> >Interesting article, you could tell they were reaching to knock it though.
> >Bottom line, there is no other replacement av-gas that is this far along.
> >It has also proven to work. There is only one lead mine left producing TEL.
> >This is not good.
>
>I'll bet if leaded avgas disappeared tomorrow, the collective
>ingenuity of the aviation community would solve the problem
>very quickly.
>
>There are solutions out there, but since avgas is still available,
>there's no reason to introduce them, or get them certified. This
>was discussed quite a while back here:
>
> http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182149-1.html
>
>Mickey
>
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Bending Hinge Pin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
All,
Anyone care to share the best method for accurately bending piano hinge pins?
Thanks,
Scott
7A Wings 99% done, Fuse on order
www.scottsrv7a.com
Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!
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| Subject: | Re: Bending Hinge Pin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 11/1/2004 7:33:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tx_jayhawk@excite.com writes:
Anyone care to share the best method for accurately bending piano hinge
pins?
======================================
Actually, I just mark the desired location for the bend, put it in my trusty
rivet cutter and use that tool either as a bending vice or a cutter.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 725 hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders to float or not to float |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 11/1/2004 2:41:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rv_8pilot@hotmail.com writes:
I've always thought it was foolish to think we could seriously consider
ethanol a significant source of fuel. Wondering just many acres it takes to
produce a barrel of ethanol, I did a search... here's what I found.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question707.htm
Interesting facts from the above link:
1. It takes 26.1 pounds of corn to make 1 gallon of ethanol
2. you need about 140 gallons (530 liters) of fossil fuel to plant, grow
and harvest an acre of corn
3. The final cost of the fuel-grade ethanol is about $2.49 per gallon
(corrected for $2/gal gasoline)
If you think that things will go this way, invest in Archer Daniels Midland,
supermarket to the world? Paul Harvey is one of their biggest fans.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 725 hrs)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch <noms1reqd@yahoo.com>
I am going to use tufts of yarn around the cowling inlet to help visualize the
flow fields in that area. I'll then go fly formation and get some nice videos
and photos at various speeds. I figured someone in this knowledgeable group
has done this before and could offer some tips based on their experience.
If so thanks...
Jeff Bertsch
RV-4
www.lonestarsquadron.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi Scott,
Do you mean like this:
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/archives/2004/06/cowl_pins.html
Mickey
>Anyone care to share the best method for accurately bending piano hinge pins?
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Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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