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1. 04:00 AM - Re: Re:Stall Horn ()
2. 04:57 AM - Christen 801 Inverted Oil Systems (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
3. 06:12 AM - Re: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge (RV_8 Pilot)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: Stall Horn (Scott Bilinski)
5. 06:42 AM - Re: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge (Scott Bilinski)
6. 07:11 AM - P-MAG (RVer273sb@aol.com)
7. 07:15 AM - RV-6/6A Jigs available (Patrick Kelley)
8. 07:41 AM - Canopy Safety Latch (steve zicree)
9. 08:11 AM - Used Wing Cradle?? (Was: RV-6/6A Jigs available) (Bill Dube)
10. 08:24 AM - Re: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge (RV_8 Pilot)
11. 08:31 AM - fuel tank process pictures (Evan and Megan Johnson)
12. 08:54 AM - Re: Stall Horn (James H Nelson)
13. 09:44 AM - Re: Stall Horn (steve zicree)
14. 11:06 AM - Re: BMA EFIS Lite G3 (Bluecavu@aol.com)
15. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: BMA EFIS Lite G3 (Larry Bowen)
16. 01:09 PM - Re: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge (Dan Checkoway)
17. 01:24 PM - Re: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
18. 01:25 PM - Re: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge (Ken Simmons)
19. 02:17 PM - Re: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge (Trampas)
20. 02:38 PM - Re: Canopy Safety Latch (Scott VanArtsdalen)
21. 03:58 PM - Forward skins, Firewall Flange, Hinges - What gets dimpled / countersunk? (Dan Reeves)
22. 04:29 PM - Re: Re:Stall Horn (Jeff Dowling)
23. 05:41 PM - Re: Christen 801 Inverted Oil Systems (RV6 Flyer)
24. 05:54 PM - Re: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge (Charlie Kuss)
25. 06:16 PM - > Re:Canopy Safety Latch. (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
26. 06:31 PM - Tools for sale (William Davis)
27. 07:06 PM - Re: Re:Stall Horn ()
28. 08:21 PM - Re: Canopy safety latch (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
29. 09:06 PM - Re: Re:Stall Horn (RobHickman@aol.com)
30. 09:06 PM - Re: Canopy Safety Latch (H.Ivan Haecker)
31. 09:33 PM - Fuel Sender(standard float) (BRUCE GRAY)
32. 10:08 PM - ROUTE based decoded METARs and TAFs (Dan Checkoway)
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--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
> If you need a horn to tell you when your RV is about to quit flying - then
> you aren't flying enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
I have to agree with Bob and had to chuckle at his answer. Having stall
warning devices and idiot lights seem to be overkill on our RVs. There are
hundreds, most likely thousands, flying that have neither. I sort of put
them in the same category as the timer that beeps to remind one that s/he
has to switch tanks. If one flys often, these devices aren't needed.
Besides, each of those devices adds to the complexity of the aircraft.
Complexity adds failure points.
I must admit that I do support having a backup basic instrument that's
required to fly VFR, such as the oil pressure gauge, oil temp, etc., in case
the main device fails. No matter how good they are, electronic devices can
fail. Other than that, I'm going to trust the device to work if I spend big
bucks to buy it. I currently fly by steam gauges and instruments. I may
install a Dynon in my new RV, in spite of it's little problems, just to give
me some panel space. If I do, I'll have a back up Altimeter and AIS, just
in case. All other instruments and gauges on the Dynon will have to be done
without, if the unit fails. No idiot lights, no stall warnings, and no
beepers for switching tanks.
I must admit that I did think about a beeper for the canopy, though. I
decided to not install it and have left mine unlocked a couple of times in
the five years I've been flying it. It was no big deal. I landed the
airplane and locked it down. The airplane flew just fine with it loose.
With that, the beeper idea went bye-bye, as well. Besides, I ignore the
little chimes in my cars. What makes me think I'll not do that in the RV.
:-)
Each of us must build to our comfort factors. I guess having these devices
make some feel more comfortable. I have a friend who decided it would be a
good idea to have a stall warning device. He installed a AOA device for
that, even though I kept telling him he didn't need it. He found out
quickly that I'd told him right. He didn't need it. He regretted
installing it, after that. If one flys often enough, most of these devices
are not needed. However, you build your airplane to your comfort factor.
Do try to keep things as simple as possible, though. Your additions may
fail, as well.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317 (Assembling tanks, fuse ordered)
EAA Tech Counselor
EAA Flight Advisor
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| Subject: | Christen 801 Inverted Oil Systems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Listers,
I found a great web site and description of the various systems,
components, and how they work.
With the messages over the years about these systems. Which sump part
does what. Will this part fit this engine and so forth, I felt it
appropriate to archive this great website where the author has taken the
time to lay it all out, pictures and all, with detailed descriptions.
Zooming in on the pics and you can actually easily read the text
clearly. That's a nice change of pace. Also good discussions on exactly
what each part is doing when your inverted and how it all works, various
sump modifications, system selection based on engine model, all the
little doodad parts and descriptions, components and dimensions, kit
options, blah blah blah. First time I ever ran across a site so thorough
on the matter.
Enjoy,
Mike Stewart
Toying with the idea
S8 painting interior fuse
http://musclebiplane.org/htmlfile/invert.php
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| Subject: | backup oil temperature & pressure gauge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Tom -
I share your concern and interest in backup indication. I have an
electronic engine monitoring system that's serial number 1 (of 2). Even
though it's been very reliable over the last 4-5 yrs, I've had one failure
that turned me back half-way through a nice little weekend trip.
I have a separate pressure switch that activates my hour meter. It's on my
future to-do list to come up with a scheme to illuminate an LED when the
pressure switch opens (low pressure). Just to give a backup indication of a
problem.
Long term, I'll probably go with something like the coming Dynon engine
monitor - primarily so I can have some display redundancy with my EFIS, free
up some panel space and I like the Dynon products/company. When/if I do
this, I'll probably also install some kind of small backup analog
pressure/temp indication.
Bryan Jones -8
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>--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
>I am thinking about firewall penetrations and engine hook-up right now.
>I have a VM1000 engine monitor which will be installed. However, that's
>a complex device and has a computer in it. Being a computer programmer,
>I expect the thing to fail on me at the worst possible moment, so I was
>wondering about the advisability of installing a second oil presure
>gauge and oil temprature gauge. I would use cheap electrical gauges.
>
>Has any one bothered to do this? Is it worth the effort or am I just
>being paranoid?
>
>Redundant oil info might be interesting during normal operation. I
>could put the temp. gauge at the output of the oil cooler and see how
>much effect the oil cooler is having at any given moment, for instance.
>--
>Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Just read Europa has filed for bankruptcy.
At 07:17 PM 11/8/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
>Mark,
> The Europa aircraft (glass) uses a pressure transducer that has a
>port in the leading edge around the 16 degree angle point and they adjust
>the transducer to trip at the speed they want. You could set it for 5
>mph over stall or what ever you want. the contacts can run what ever
>alarm you want. Kind of neat way to do it.
>
>Jim
>RV9A
>N599RV (reserved)
>
>(ex owner of an Europa- nice plane)
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | backup oil temperature & pressure gauge |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
For those concerned about back up oil temp and pressure, I think a engine
monitor covering all cylinders is better instrumentation than your back up
gauges. This gives you a better idea of what your engine is doing before
you can sense/feel anything. The chances of a cylinder related problem is
much higher than a oil temp/pressure gauge going out. I guess what I am
trying to say is I dont understand why you want back up gauges, there are
other areas you can improve to have a safer flight. No insults to anyone
intended.
At 08:10 AM 11/9/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
>Tom -
>
>I share your concern and interest in backup indication. I have an
>electronic engine monitoring system that's serial number 1 (of 2). Even
>though it's been very reliable over the last 4-5 yrs, I've had one failure
>that turned me back half-way through a nice little weekend trip.
>
>I have a separate pressure switch that activates my hour meter. It's on my
>future to-do list to come up with a scheme to illuminate an LED when the
>pressure switch opens (low pressure). Just to give a backup indication of a
>problem.
>
>Long term, I'll probably go with something like the coming Dynon engine
>monitor - primarily so I can have some display redundancy with my EFIS, free
>up some panel space and I like the Dynon products/company. When/if I do
>this, I'll probably also install some kind of small backup analog
>pressure/temp indication.
>
>Bryan Jones -8
>
>do not archive
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
> >
> >I am thinking about firewall penetrations and engine hook-up right now.
> >I have a VM1000 engine monitor which will be installed. However, that's
> >a complex device and has a computer in it. Being a computer programmer,
> >I expect the thing to fail on me at the worst possible moment, so I was
> >wondering about the advisability of installing a second oil presure
> >gauge and oil temprature gauge. I would use cheap electrical gauges.
> >
> >Has any one bothered to do this? Is it worth the effort or am I just
> >being paranoid?
> >
> >Redundant oil info might be interesting during normal operation. I
> >could put the temp. gauge at the output of the oil cooler and see how
> >much effect the oil cooler is having at any given moment, for instance.
> >--
> >Tom Sargent, RV-6A
> >
> >
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: RVer273sb@aol.com
Listers,
I have been running on the P-MAG for about 15hr
now and it works as advertized. Runs great on it's
own power generator! I have seen a slight drop in fuel
consumption also. Still have a slick mag on the right
side but will be installing the M-mag this weekend for
a total electronic ignition without a backup electrical
system.
Stewart RV-4 Colorado
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| Subject: | RV-6/6A Jigs available |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
I have just removed my fuselage bottom from the jig. The jig is the wooden
'ladder' type from Vans' plans and I have removed the last two crossmembers
to support the fuselage on the sawhorses. Free to a good home, for the cost
of a single 2x4 (to replace the crossmembers) you get a complete jig. It's
located in Flagstaff, AZ. I don't know of any builders up here or how many
builders still need a jig, for that matter, so if someone doesn't take it
I'll just disassemble it and reuse the lumber. I also have the wing jig;
it's a freestanding jig built according to the plans that are on my website.
It's made of cedar so it was perfect for building in my apartment living
room. While I no longer need to work in an apartment, it'll still make a
good riveting stand when I build my next RV unless someone decides to take
it first. Also free to a good home. I won't deliver, sorry.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Fuselage is now right way up!
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| Subject: | Canopy Safety Latch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Anybody have experience, positive or negative, with the canopy safety latch on
the RV4? I'm installing the canopy and wondering if the extra latch is worth the
trouble. I'm not convinced that it would really hold the thing down and it
seems a bit flimsy.
Steve Zicree
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| Subject: | Used Wing Cradle?? (Was: RV-6/6A Jigs available) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
Looking for a wing cradle in Denver. If anyone has one (or a pair)
that they are done with, it would save me the time of building my own.
At 08:30 AM 11/9/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
>
>I have just removed my fuselage bottom from the jig. The jig is the wooden
>'ladder' type from Vans' plans and I have removed the last two crossmembers
>to support the fuselage on the sawhorses. Free to a good home, for the cost
>of a single 2x4 (to replace the crossmembers) you get a complete jig.
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| Subject: | backup oil temperature & pressure gauge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Good point on the engine monitor, however in my case, the power supply for
the entire engine monitor is common. Loose regulated power for the monitor
and you loose all EGTs, CHTs, tach, temps, pressures, fuel levels,
pressures, etc. I'd imagine other integrated engine monitors have similar
weaknesses.
Come to think of it, what might provide some redundancy in engine condition
indication as well as add helpful info is one of those low oil sump level
alarms. IMO, that would be even better than a high temp/low pressure backup
indicator. A better plan...
Bryan
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>From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge
>Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:42:32 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>For those concerned about back up oil temp and pressure, I think a engine
>monitor covering all cylinders is better instrumentation than your back up
>gauges. This gives you a better idea of what your engine is doing before
>you can sense/feel anything. The chances of a cylinder related problem is
>much higher than a oil temp/pressure gauge going out. I guess what I am
>trying to say is I dont understand why you want back up gauges, there are
>other areas you can improve to have a safer flight. No insults to anyone
>intended.
>
>
>At 08:10 AM 11/9/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Tom -
> >
> >I share your concern and interest in backup indication. I have an
> >electronic engine monitoring system that's serial number 1 (of 2). Even
> >though it's been very reliable over the last 4-5 yrs, I've had one
>failure
> >that turned me back half-way through a nice little weekend trip.
> >
> >I have a separate pressure switch that activates my hour meter. It's on
>my
> >future to-do list to come up with a scheme to illuminate an LED when the
> >pressure switch opens (low pressure). Just to give a backup indication
>of a
> >problem.
> >
> >Long term, I'll probably go with something like the coming Dynon engine
> >monitor - primarily so I can have some display redundancy with my EFIS,
>free
> >up some panel space and I like the Dynon products/company. When/if I do
> >this, I'll probably also install some kind of small backup analog
> >pressure/temp indication.
> >
> >Bryan Jones -8
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent"
><sarg314@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > >I am thinking about firewall penetrations and engine hook-up right now.
> > >I have a VM1000 engine monitor which will be installed. However,
>that's
> > >a complex device and has a computer in it. Being a computer
>programmer,
> > >I expect the thing to fail on me at the worst possible moment, so I was
> > >wondering about the advisability of installing a second oil presure
> > >gauge and oil temprature gauge. I would use cheap electrical gauges.
> > >
> > >Has any one bothered to do this? Is it worth the effort or am I just
> > >being paranoid?
> > >
> > >Redundant oil info might be interesting during normal operation. I
> > >could put the temp. gauge at the output of the oil cooler and see how
> > >much effect the oil cooler is having at any given moment, for instance.
> > >--
> > >Tom Sargent, RV-6A
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | fuel tank process pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
I have been convinced by a good friend that I should post a series of building
process pictures on my web site. The idea is to get a bunch of high quality photos
in sequence to help others along. I have to admit, I have used the photos
on everyone else's websites to get tips for my own project (RV 10). I will also
be able to reference particular pictures when I get the inevitable questions
that I answer every day. Hopefully you guys will be able to pick up some good
tips. So here is my offer.....If any of you guys are willing to let me post
pictures of your tanks, I will discount my labor for you by 20%. I would like
to get one set of pictures for each of the popular models of aircraft. I also
really want to get some of the modifications such as capacitive fuel senders and
flop tubes. For the gentlemen who have recently ordered tanks and are in my
schedule now, you may also consider my offer good (as long as it is not too late
to get the picts.) Since I am revamping the website, please feel free to make
any suggestions. Are there particular issues you would like to see addressed....pictures
you would like to see?
Thanks a bunch,
Evan Johnson
(530)351-1776
www.evansaviationproducts.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Yes they did but there is a group that has bought them out. It is too
good a plane to disappear. The concept is what counts for the stall
warning. We are experimenters - right ?? I agree that a AOA is the
best way to know what the wing is doing.
Jim Nelson
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--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Regarding the best way to know what the wing is doing, I would suggest
getting some good acro training. When I was getting my private, I was
troubled by how much time was spent learning what not to do. Don't bank
beyond this, don't climb steeper than that, and for god's sake, don't spin.
It left me feeling like the plane was just waiting to bite me if I went past
some very sketchy limits. Shortly after getting my private, I got some good
acro training from Sunrise Aviation. It makes a huge difference in my
ability to "know what the wing is doing". This is just my experience, your
mileage may vary.
Steve Zicree
----- Original Message -----
From: "James H Nelson" <rv9jim@juno.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Stall Horn
> --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
> Yes they did but there is a group that has bought them out. It is too
> good a plane to disappear. The concept is what counts for the stall
> warning. We are experimenters - right ?? I agree that a AOA is the
> best way to know what the wing is doing.
>
> Jim Nelson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BMA EFIS Lite G3 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
> I've read the archives........
>
> Is there anyone on the list flying a BMA EFIS Lite G3 that cares to
> volley a few messages with me?
>
> Thanks - Greg
>
Ditto Here...
Apparently only one person replied to this inquiry by Greg?
Anybody got an EFIS lite GIII yet? Any current users of BMA EFIS of any type
that want to comment on the product they have? Any comments on the company?
I'm struggling to decide what to do. Love the idea of the Elite GIII from
what I read on the company website, but I've yet to hear anything from out there
in the field/real-world.
Scott
N4ZW
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| Subject: | Re: BMA EFIS Lite G3 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
You might get more feedback from the message board on BMA's site.
I put some money down on the EFIS 1 a couple years ago. Repeated delays
and poor comm gave me cold feet, so I got my money back and got a Dynon
instead. I assume BMA has improved since then.
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8 21.5 hrs.
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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Bluecavu@aol.com said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com
>
>
>> I've read the archives........
>>
>> Is there anyone on the list flying a BMA EFIS Lite G3 that cares to
>> volley a few messages with me?
>>
>> Thanks - Greg
>>
> Ditto Here...
>
> Apparently only one person replied to this inquiry by Greg?
>
> Anybody got an EFIS lite GIII yet? Any current users of BMA EFIS of any
> type
> that want to comment on the product they have? Any comments on the
> company?
>
> I'm struggling to decide what to do. Love the idea of the Elite GIII from
> what I read on the company website, but I've yet to hear anything from out
> there
> in the field/real-world.
>
> Scott
> N4ZW
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| Subject: | Re: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Take a closer look at the ACS2002. Unless I'm mistaken, there are multiple
power supplies on board. Not necessarily redundant for any one particular
indication, but it's not an all-or-nothing setup. Don't quote me on this,
I'm not an electrical engineer...
http://www.advanced-control-systems.com
It's my favorite toy (ahem...necessity) in the panel by far.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
> Good point on the engine monitor, however in my case, the power supply for
> the entire engine monitor is common. Loose regulated power for the
monitor
> and you loose all EGTs, CHTs, tach, temps, pressures, fuel levels,
> pressures, etc. I'd imagine other integrated engine monitors have similar
> weaknesses.
>
> Come to think of it, what might provide some redundancy in engine
condition
> indication as well as add helpful info is one of those low oil sump level
> alarms. IMO, that would be even better than a high temp/low pressure
backup
> indicator. A better plan...
>
> Bryan
>
> do not archive
>
> >From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: RV-List: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge
> >Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:42:32 -0800
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> ><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> >For those concerned about back up oil temp and pressure, I think a engine
> >monitor covering all cylinders is better instrumentation than your back
up
> >gauges. This gives you a better idea of what your engine is doing before
> >you can sense/feel anything. The chances of a cylinder related problem is
> >much higher than a oil temp/pressure gauge going out. I guess what I am
> >trying to say is I dont understand why you want back up gauges, there are
> >other areas you can improve to have a safer flight. No insults to anyone
> >intended.
> >
> >
> >At 08:10 AM 11/9/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > >Tom -
> > >
> > >I share your concern and interest in backup indication. I have an
> > >electronic engine monitoring system that's serial number 1 (of 2).
Even
> > >though it's been very reliable over the last 4-5 yrs, I've had one
> >failure
> > >that turned me back half-way through a nice little weekend trip.
> > >
> > >I have a separate pressure switch that activates my hour meter. It's
on
> >my
> > >future to-do list to come up with a scheme to illuminate an LED when
the
> > >pressure switch opens (low pressure). Just to give a backup indication
> >of a
> > >problem.
> > >
> > >Long term, I'll probably go with something like the coming Dynon engine
> > >monitor - primarily so I can have some display redundancy with my EFIS,
> >free
> > >up some panel space and I like the Dynon products/company. When/if I
do
> > >this, I'll probably also install some kind of small backup analog
> > >pressure/temp indication.
> > >
> > >Bryan Jones -8
> > >
> > >do not archive
> > >
> > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent"
> ><sarg314@earthlink.net>
> > > >
> > > >I am thinking about firewall penetrations and engine hook-up right
now.
> > > >I have a VM1000 engine monitor which will be installed. However,
> >that's
> > > >a complex device and has a computer in it. Being a computer
> >programmer,
> > > >I expect the thing to fail on me at the worst possible moment, so I
was
> > > >wondering about the advisability of installing a second oil presure
> > > >gauge and oil temprature gauge. I would use cheap electrical gauges.
> > > >
> > > >Has any one bothered to do this? Is it worth the effort or am I just
> > > >being paranoid?
> > > >
> > > >Redundant oil info might be interesting during normal operation. I
> > > >could put the temp. gauge at the output of the oil cooler and see how
> > > >much effect the oil cooler is having at any given moment, for
instance.
> > > >--
> > > >Tom Sargent, RV-6A
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >Scott Bilinski
> >Eng dept 305
> >Phone (858) 657-2536
> >Pager (858) 502-5190
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
If I'm not mistaken on the original questions intent, the solution could be the
GRT EFIS and EIS combination. Or even just their Graphical Engine system without
the EFIS option but with the EIS.
Either way, the EIS itself is a system that's been out there for quite a while
in the thousands and for some is more than adequate for their engine monitoring
needs. I don't think there's any harm to it if left on while starting up the
engine.
When you go full bore on the GRT EFIS and EIS you get the EIS as a backup to the
EFIS for engine monitoring should you want to startup with the EFIS off until
power settles down. If the EFIS system should fail in flight your Engine stuff
is still covered by the EIS.
To learn more about it check out
www.grtavionics.com
and the yahoo group covering it at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GRT_EFIS
Lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway"
>
> Take a closer look at the ACS2002. Unless I'm mistaken, there are multiple
> power supplies on board. Not necessarily redundant for any one particular
> indication, but it's not an all-or-nothing setup. Don't quote me on this,
> I'm not an electrical engineer...
>
> http://www.advanced-control-systems.com
>
> It's my favorite toy (ahem...necessity) in the panel by far.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RV_8 Pilot"
> To:
> Subject: RE: RV-List: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot"
> >
> > Good point on the engine monitor, however in my case, the power supply for
> > the entire engine monitor is common. Loose regulated power for the
> monitor
> > and you loose all EGTs, CHTs, tach, temps, pressures, fuel levels,
> > pressures, etc. I'd imagine other integrated engine monitors have similar
> > weaknesses.
> >
> > Come to think of it, what might provide some redundancy in engine
> condition
> > indication as well as add helpful info is one of those low oil sump level
> > alarms. IMO, that would be even better than a high temp/low pressure
> backup
> > indicator. A better plan...
> >
> > Bryan
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > >From: Scott Bilinski
> > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: RE: RV-List: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge
> > >Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:42:32 -0800
> > >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> > >
> > >
> > >For those concerned about back up oil temp and pressure, I think a engine
> > >monitor covering all cylinders is better instrumentation than your back
> up
> > >gauges. This gives you a better idea of what your engine is doing before
> > >you can sense/feel anything. The chances of a cylinder related problem is
> > >much higher than a oil temp/pressure gauge going out. I guess what I am
> > >trying to say is I dont understand why you want back up gauges, there are
> > >other areas you can improve to have a safer flight. No insults to anyone
> > >intended.
> > >
> > >
> > >At 08:10 AM 11/9/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot"
> > > >
> > > >Tom -
> > > >
> > > >I share your concern and interest in backup indication. I have an
> > > >electronic engine monitoring system that's serial number 1 (of 2).
> Even
> > > >though it's been very reliable over the last 4-5 yrs, I've had one
> > >failure
> > > >that turned me back half-way through a nice little weekend trip.
> > > >
> > > >I have a separate pressure switch that activates my hour meter. It's
> on
> > >my
> > > >future to-do list to come up with a scheme to illuminate an LED when
> the
> > > >pressure switch opens (low pressure). Just to give a backup indication
> > >of a
> > > >problem.
> > > >
> > > >Long term, I'll probably go with something like the coming Dynon engine
> > > >monitor - primarily so I can have some display redundancy with my EFIS,
> > >free
> > > >up some panel space and I like the Dynon products/company. When/if I
> do
> > > >this, I'll probably also install some kind of small backup analog
> > > >pressure/temp indication.
> > > >
> > > >Bryan Jones -8
> > > >
> > > >do not archive
> > > >
> > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent"
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I am thinking about firewall penetrations and engine hook-up right
> now.
> > > > >I have a VM1000 engine monitor which will be installed. However,
> > >that's
> > > > >a complex device and has a computer in it. Being a computer
> > >programmer,
> > > > >I expect the thing to fail on me at the worst possible moment, so I
> was
> > > > >wondering about the advisability of installing a second oil presure
> > > > >gauge and oil temprature gauge. I would use cheap electrical gauges.
> > > > >
> > > > >Has any one bothered to do this? Is it worth the effort or am I just
> > > > >being paranoid?
> > > > >
> > > > >Redundant oil info might be interesting during normal operation. I
> > > > >could put the temp. gauge at the output of the oil cooler and see how
> > > > >much effect the oil cooler is having at any given moment, for
> instance.
> > > > >--
> > > > >Tom Sargent, RV-6A
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Scott Bilinski
> > >Eng dept 305
> > >Phone (858) 657-2536
> > >Pager (858) 502-5190
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
If I'm not mistaken on the original questions intent, the solution could be the
GRT EFIS and EIS combination. Or even just their Graphical Engine system without
the EFIS option but with the EIS.
Either way, the EIS itselfis a system that's been out there for quite a while in
the thousands and for some is more than adequate for their engine monitoring
needs. I don't think there's any harm to it if left on while starting up the
engine.
When you go full bore on the GRT EFIS and EIS you get the EIS as a backup to the
EFIS for engine monitoring should you want to startup with the EFIS off until
power settles down. If the EFIS system should fail in flight your Engine stuff
is still covered by the EIS.
To learn more about it check out
www.grtavionics.com
and the yahoo group covering it at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GRT_EFIS
Lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <DAN@RVPROJECT.COM>
Take a closer look at the ACS2002. Unless I'm mistaken, there are multiple
power supplies on board. Not necessarily redundant for any one particular
indication, but it's not an all-or-nothing setup. Don't quote me on this,
I'm not an electrical engineer...
http://www.advanced-control-systems.com
It's my favorite toy (ahem...necessity) in the panel by far.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV_8 Pilot" <RV_8PILOT@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <RV-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: RE: RV-List: backup oil temperature pressure gauge
<BR
> -- RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <RV_8PILOT@HOTMAIL.COM>
Good point on the engine monitor, however in my case, the power supply for
the entire engine monitor is common. Loose regulated power for the
monitor
and you loose all EGTs, CHTs, tach, temps, pressures, fuel levels,
pressures, etc. I'd imagine other integrated engine monitors have similar
weaknesses.
Come to think of it, what might provide some redundancy in engine
condition
indication as well as add helpful info is one of those low oil sump level
alarms. IMO, that would be even better than a high temp/low pressure
backup
indicator. A better plan...
Bryan
do not archive
From: Scott Bilinski <BILINSKI@KYOCERA-WIRELESS.COM>
Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: backup oil temperature pressure gauge
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:42:32 -0800
-- RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<BILINSKI@KYOCERA-WIRELESS.COM>
For those concerned about back up oil temp and pressure, I think a engine
monitor covering all cylinders is better instrumentation than your back
up
gauges. This gives you a better idea of what your engine is doing before
you can sense/feel anything. The chances of a cylinder related problem is
much higher than a oil temp/pressure gauge going out. I guess what I am
trying to say is I dont understand why you want back up gauges, there are
other areas you can improve to h
ave a safer flight. No insults to anyone
intended.
At 08:10 AM 11/9/2004 -0600, you wrote:
-- RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <RV_8PILOT@HOTMAIL.COM>
Tom -
I share your concern and interest in backup indication. I have an
electronic engine monitoring system that's serial number 1 (of 2).
Even
though it's been very reliable over the last 4-5 yrs, I've had one
failure
that turned me back half-way through a nice little weekend trip.
I have a separate pressure switch that activates my hour meter. It's
on
my
future to-do list to come up with a scheme to illuminate an LED when
the <BR
> pressure switch opens (low pressure). Just to give a backup indication
of a
problem.
Long term, I'll probably go with something like the coming Dynon engine
monitor - primarily so I can have some display redundancy with my EFIS,
free
up some panel space and I like the Dynon products/company. When/if I
do
this, I'll probably also install some kind of small backup analog
pressure/temp indication.
Bryan Jones -8
do not archive
-- RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent"
<SARG314@EARTHLINK.NET>
I am thinking about firewall penetr
ations and engine hook-up right
now.
I have a VM1000 engine monitor which will be installed. However,
that's
a complex device and has a computer in it. Being a computer
programmer,
I expect the thing to fail on me at the worst possible moment, so I
was
wondering about the advisability of installing a second oil presure
gauge and oil temprature gauge. I would use cheap electrical gauges.
Has any one bothered to do this? Is it worth the effort or am I just
being paranoid?
Redundant oil info might be interesting during normal operation. I
could put the temp. gauge at the output of the oil cooler and see how
much effect the oil cooler is having at any given moment, for
instance.
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
www.buildersbooks.com!
s.com/browse/rv-list
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
I'm sure the monitors from IK Technologies has the multiple power supply setup, but of course verify that with them. http://www.i-ktechnologies.com
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Take a closer look at the ACS2002. Unless I'm mistaken, there are multiple
>power supplies on board. Not necessarily redundant for any one particular
>indication, but it's not an all-or-nothing setup. Don't quote me on this,
>I'm not an electrical engineer...
>
>http://www.advanced-control-systems.com
>
>It's my favorite toy (ahem...necessity) in the panel by far.
>
>do not archive
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Good point on the engine monitor, however in my case, the power supply for
>> the entire engine monitor is common. Loose regulated power for the
>monitor
>> and you loose all EGTs, CHTs, tach, temps, pressures, fuel levels,
>> pressures, etc. I'd imagine other integrated engine monitors have similar
>> weaknesses.
>>
>> Come to think of it, what might provide some redundancy in engine
>condition
>> indication as well as add helpful info is one of those low oil sump level
>> alarms. IMO, that would be even better than a high temp/low pressure
>backup
>> indicator. A better plan...
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> >From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: RE: RV-List: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge
>> >Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:42:32 -0800
>> >
>> >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
>> ><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>> >
>> >For those concerned about back up oil temp and pressure, I think a engine
>> >monitor covering all cylinders is better instrumentation than your back
>up
>> >gauges. This gives you a better idea of what your engine is doing before
>> >you can sense/feel anything. The chances of a cylinder related problem is
>> >much higher than a oil temp/pressure gauge going out. I guess what I am
>> >trying to say is I dont understand why you want back up gauges, there are
>> >other areas you can improve to have a safer flight. No insults to anyone
>> >intended.
>> >
>> >
>> >At 08:10 AM 11/9/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>> > >
>> > >Tom -
>> > >
>> > >I share your concern and interest in backup indication. I have an
>> > >electronic engine monitoring system that's serial number 1 (of 2).
>Even
>> > >though it's been very reliable over the last 4-5 yrs, I've had one
>> >failure
>> > >that turned me back half-way through a nice little weekend trip.
>> > >
>> > >I have a separate pressure switch that activates my hour meter. It's
>on
>> >my
>> > >future to-do list to come up with a scheme to illuminate an LED when
>the
>> > >pressure switch opens (low pressure). Just to give a backup indication
>> >of a
>> > >problem.
>> > >
>> > >Long term, I'll probably go with something like the coming Dynon engine
>> > >monitor - primarily so I can have some display redundancy with my EFIS,
>> >free
>> > >up some panel space and I like the Dynon products/company. When/if I
>do
>> > >this, I'll probably also install some kind of small backup analog
>> > >pressure/temp indication.
>> > >
>> > >Bryan Jones -8
>> > >
>> > >do not archive
>> > >
>> > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent"
>> ><sarg314@earthlink.net>
>> > > >
>> > > >I am thinking about firewall penetrations and engine hook-up right
>now.
>> > > >I have a VM1000 engine monitor which will be installed. However,
>> >that's
>> > > >a complex device and has a computer in it. Being a computer
>> >programmer,
>> > > >I expect the thing to fail on me at the worst possible moment, so I
>was
>> > > >wondering about the advisability of installing a second oil presure
>> > > >gauge and oil temprature gauge. I would use cheap electrical gauges.
>> > > >
>> > > >Has any one bothered to do this? Is it worth the effort or am I just
>> > > >being paranoid?
>> > > >
>> > > >Redundant oil info might be interesting during normal operation. I
>> > > >could put the temp. gauge at the output of the oil cooler and see how
>> > > >much effect the oil cooler is having at any given moment, for
>instance.
>> > > >--
>> > > >Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >Scott Bilinski
>> >Eng dept 305
>> >Phone (858) 657-2536
>> >Pager (858) 502-5190
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
I know for a fact that the Pulsar 200 from Stern Technologies has support
for two power sources.
Regards,
Trampas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Simmons
Subject: Re: RV-List: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
I'm sure the monitors from IK Technologies has the multiple power supply
setup, but of course verify that with them. http://www.i-ktechnologies.com
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Take a closer look at the ACS2002. Unless I'm mistaken, there are multiple
>power supplies on board. Not necessarily redundant for any one particular
>indication, but it's not an all-or-nothing setup. Don't quote me on this,
>I'm not an electrical engineer...
>
>http://www.advanced-control-systems.com
>
>It's my favorite toy (ahem...necessity) in the panel by far.
>
>do not archive
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Good point on the engine monitor, however in my case, the power supply
for
>> the entire engine monitor is common. Loose regulated power for the
>monitor
>> and you loose all EGTs, CHTs, tach, temps, pressures, fuel levels,
>> pressures, etc. I'd imagine other integrated engine monitors have
similar
>> weaknesses.
>>
>> Come to think of it, what might provide some redundancy in engine
>condition
>> indication as well as add helpful info is one of those low oil sump level
>> alarms. IMO, that would be even better than a high temp/low pressure
>backup
>> indicator. A better plan...
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> >From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: RE: RV-List: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge
>> >Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:42:32 -0800
>> >
>> >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
>> ><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>> >
>> >For those concerned about back up oil temp and pressure, I think a
engine
>> >monitor covering all cylinders is better instrumentation than your back
>up
>> >gauges. This gives you a better idea of what your engine is doing before
>> >you can sense/feel anything. The chances of a cylinder related problem
is
>> >much higher than a oil temp/pressure gauge going out. I guess what I am
>> >trying to say is I dont understand why you want back up gauges, there
are
>> >other areas you can improve to have a safer flight. No insults to anyone
>> >intended.
>> >
>> >
>> >At 08:10 AM 11/9/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>> > >
>> > >Tom -
>> > >
>> > >I share your concern and interest in backup indication. I have an
>> > >electronic engine monitoring system that's serial number 1 (of 2).
>Even
>> > >though it's been very reliable over the last 4-5 yrs, I've had one
>> >failure
>> > >that turned me back half-way through a nice little weekend trip.
>> > >
>> > >I have a separate pressure switch that activates my hour meter. It's
>on
>> >my
>> > >future to-do list to come up with a scheme to illuminate an LED when
>the
>> > >pressure switch opens (low pressure). Just to give a backup
indication
>> >of a
>> > >problem.
>> > >
>> > >Long term, I'll probably go with something like the coming Dynon
engine
>> > >monitor - primarily so I can have some display redundancy with my
EFIS,
>> >free
>> > >up some panel space and I like the Dynon products/company. When/if I
>do
>> > >this, I'll probably also install some kind of small backup analog
>> > >pressure/temp indication.
>> > >
>> > >Bryan Jones -8
>> > >
>> > >do not archive
>> > >
>> > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent"
>> ><sarg314@earthlink.net>
>> > > >
>> > > >I am thinking about firewall penetrations and engine hook-up right
>now.
>> > > >I have a VM1000 engine monitor which will be installed. However,
>> >that's
>> > > >a complex device and has a computer in it. Being a computer
>> >programmer,
>> > > >I expect the thing to fail on me at the worst possible moment, so I
>was
>> > > >wondering about the advisability of installing a second oil presure
>> > > >gauge and oil temprature gauge. I would use cheap electrical
gauges.
>> > > >
>> > > >Has any one bothered to do this? Is it worth the effort or am I
just
>> > > >being paranoid?
>> > > >
>> > > >Redundant oil info might be interesting during normal operation. I
>> > > >could put the temp. gauge at the output of the oil cooler and see
how
>> > > >much effect the oil cooler is having at any given moment, for
>instance.
>> > > >--
>> > > >Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >Scott Bilinski
>> >Eng dept 305
>> >Phone (858) 657-2536
>> >Pager (858) 502-5190
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
I put mine on. It wasn't much trouble. Took about an hour. I haven't
tested it though. ;-)
steve zicree wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>
>Anybody have experience, positive or negative, with the canopy safety latch on
the RV4? I'm installing the canopy and wondering if the extra latch is worth
the trouble. I'm not convinced that it would really hold the thing down and it
seems a bit flimsy.
>
>Steve Zicree
>
>
>
>
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Scott VanArtsdalen
Van Arts Consulting Services
3848 McHenry Ave
Suite #155-184
Modesto, CA 95356
209-986-4647
Ps 34:4,6
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| Subject: | Forward skins, Firewall Flange, Hinges - What gets dimpled / |
countersunk?
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan Reeves <williamdanielreeves@yahoo.com>
I am in the process of dimpling the F-772 forward bottom skin and the F-770 forward
side skins. What gets dimpled and what gets countersunk when it comes to
the firewall flange, the cowl hinges, and the skins?
Thanks in advance!
Dan
RV-7A
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
If a stall warning device isnt needed for those who fly alot, why are they
required on jets that have enough thrust to climb at a 20 degree angle at
over 6000ft/min?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting or having a stall warning
device (or any other safety system for that matter). Just because you have
excess thrust doesnt mean it cant happen to you on a tight final turn with
overshooting winds or a very heavy takeoff combined with a high density alt.
Oh yeah, that was all IMHO.
Do not archive.
Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
140 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: <sears@searnet.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Stall Horn
> --> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
>
>
>> If you need a horn to tell you when your RV is about to quit flying -
>> then
>> you aren't flying enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>
> I have to agree with Bob and had to chuckle at his answer. Having stall
> warning devices and idiot lights seem to be overkill on our RVs. There
> are
> hundreds, most likely thousands, flying that have neither. I sort of put
> them in the same category as the timer that beeps to remind one that s/he
> has to switch tanks. If one flys often, these devices aren't needed.
> Besides, each of those devices adds to the complexity of the aircraft.
> Complexity adds failure points.
>
> I must admit that I do support having a backup basic instrument that's
> required to fly VFR, such as the oil pressure gauge, oil temp, etc., in
> case
> the main device fails. No matter how good they are, electronic devices
> can
> fail. Other than that, I'm going to trust the device to work if I spend
> big
> bucks to buy it. I currently fly by steam gauges and instruments. I may
> install a Dynon in my new RV, in spite of it's little problems, just to
> give
> me some panel space. If I do, I'll have a back up Altimeter and AIS, just
> in case. All other instruments and gauges on the Dynon will have to be
> done
> without, if the unit fails. No idiot lights, no stall warnings, and no
> beepers for switching tanks.
>
> I must admit that I did think about a beeper for the canopy, though. I
> decided to not install it and have left mine unlocked a couple of times in
> the five years I've been flying it. It was no big deal. I landed the
> airplane and locked it down. The airplane flew just fine with it loose.
> With that, the beeper idea went bye-bye, as well. Besides, I ignore the
> little chimes in my cars. What makes me think I'll not do that in the RV.
> :-)
>
> Each of us must build to our comfort factors. I guess having these
> devices
> make some feel more comfortable. I have a friend who decided it would be
> a
> good idea to have a stall warning device. He installed a AOA device for
> that, even though I kept telling him he didn't need it. He found out
> quickly that I'd told him right. He didn't need it. He regretted
> installing it, after that. If one flys often enough, most of these
> devices
> are not needed. However, you build your airplane to your comfort factor.
> Do try to keep things as simple as possible, though. Your additions may
> fail, as well.
>
> Jim Sears in KY
> RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
> RV-7A #70317 (Assembling tanks, fuse ordered)
> EAA Tech Counselor
> EAA Flight Advisor
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Christen 801 Inverted Oil Systems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Has anyone looked into what appears to be a clone of the Christen inverted
oil system?
http://www.ravenaircraft.com/raven_012.htm
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,607 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RV-List: Christen 801 Inverted Oil Systems
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
Listers,
I found a great web site and description of the various systems,
components, and how they work.
With the messages over the years about these systems. Which sump part
does what. Will this part fit this engine and so forth, I felt it
appropriate to archive this great website where the author has taken the
time to lay it all out, pictures and all, with detailed descriptions.
Zooming in on the pics and you can actually easily read the text
clearly. That's a nice change of pace. Also good discussions on exactly
what each part is doing when your inverted and how it all works, various
sump modifications, system selection based on engine model, all the
little doodad parts and descriptions, components and dimensions, kit
options, blah blah blah. First time I ever ran across a site so thorough
on the matter.
Enjoy,
Mike Stewart
Toying with the idea
S8 painting interior fuse
http://musclebiplane.org/htmlfile/invert.php
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| Subject: | backup oil temperature & pressure gauge |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Bryan
One neat feature of the RMI MicroMonitor is that it has a back up power
supply feature. You add a small 1.8 amp/hour RG battery. The MicroMonitor's
power switch has 3 positions OFF ON & BATTERY. It also has a trickle charge
circuit to keep the back up battery charged. No single point of failure here.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
>Good point on the engine monitor, however in my case, the power supply for
>the entire engine monitor is common. Loose regulated power for the monitor
>and you loose all EGTs, CHTs, tach, temps, pressures, fuel levels,
>pressures, etc. I'd imagine other integrated engine monitors have similar
>weaknesses.
>
>Come to think of it, what might provide some redundancy in engine condition
>indication as well as add helpful info is one of those low oil sump level
>alarms. IMO, that would be even better than a high temp/low pressure backup
>indicator. A better plan...
>
>Bryan
>
>
> >From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: RV-List: backup oil temperature & pressure gauge
> >Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:42:32 -0800
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> ><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> >For those concerned about back up oil temp and pressure, I think a engine
> >monitor covering all cylinders is better instrumentation than your back up
> >gauges. This gives you a better idea of what your engine is doing before
> >you can sense/feel anything. The chances of a cylinder related problem is
> >much higher than a oil temp/pressure gauge going out. I guess what I am
> >trying to say is I dont understand why you want back up gauges, there are
> >other areas you can improve to have a safer flight. No insults to anyone
> >intended.
> >
>snipped
>
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| Subject: | Re: > Re:Canopy Safety Latch. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I reversed my canopy lock so that it pushes FORWARD to lock. I got an RV-4
canopy safety latch in my finish kit,which I can't use now. I think it would
maybe save a canopy being dumped off ;so if anyone can use it you can have it.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
oldsfolks@aol.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "William Davis" <rvpilot@access4less.net>
New builders,
Hate to do it, but have to sell my tools. 5 RV's built with these. I would prefer
to sell to some one in Florida but can ship if necessary for actual costs.
Essentially, I have everything that Bob Avery lists in his catalog as the RV builders
kit (for $2K) with a few minor omissions and a lot of major additions:
Extra clecos and pliers
Pneumatic rivet squeezer with adjustable anvil
3" yoke
2" yoke
1" thin nose "no hole" yoke
a better hand squeezer
Pneumatic and hand nibblers
pneumatic pop rivet puller
Craftsman 2.4 amp die grinder
plate nut drill jig
Riv-nut tool
5 extra stop countersink cages
strap duplicators (#40 &30)
Unibits to 3/4 inch
extra files and drills
extra bucking bars
more stuff that I cant remember at the moment
$1800 for all
please reply off list if interested
of course, do not archive
Bill Davis
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--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
> If a stall warning device isnt needed for those who fly alot, why are they
> required on jets that have enough thrust to climb at a 20 degree angle at
> over 6000ft/min?
>
> There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting or having a stall warning
> device (or any other safety system for that matter). Just because you
have
> excess thrust doesnt mean it cant happen to you on a tight final turn with
> overshooting winds or a very heavy takeoff combined with a high density
alt.
> Oh yeah, that was all IMHO.
>
He's absolutely right; but, I still agree with Bob.
Now, understand that Jeff is a jet jockey for UPS and, if I remember his RV
correctly, he has no stall warning device on his RV, either. At least I
don't remember one on it when he was building it. That was what I was
saying. If you want it, fine; but, a regular flyer probably isn't going to
need it. S/he will get a feel for the airplane.
Based on some of the landings I've experienced while flying on airliners,
some of those pilots probably do need stall warning devices. I know they've
thoroughly tested the landing gears. Maybe the wing structures, too. :-)
Sorry, Jeff. The Devil made me say it. :-)
Jim in KY
Do not archive!
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy safety latch |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
The Canopy safety latch I listed to give away has been taken.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
An AOA system will give you a lot more than stall warning. Here is a very
good article on AOA with Jerry VanGrunsven. Jerry is a very big supporter of
AOA and has them in his RV's.
_http://www.angle-of-attack.com/KitPlanes%20Article.pdf_
(http://www.angle-of-attack.com/KitPlanes%20Article.pdf)
Rob Hickman
RV-4 N401RH
RV-10
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Safety Latch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl@gvtc.com>
Steve,
I never installed one on my -4 since the canopy latch still has plenty of
friction after 12 years and 1100 hrs. of usage. It has never crept toward
the unlatched position in flight. Then again, there's always the next
flight!! YMMV
Ivan Haecker -4 1115 hrs S. Cen. TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
Subject: RV-List: Canopy Safety Latch
> --> RV-List message posted by: "steve zicree" <szicree@adelphia.net>
>
> Anybody have experience, positive or negative, with the canopy safety
latch on the RV4? I'm installing the canopy and wondering if the extra latch
is worth the trouble. I'm not convinced that it would really hold the thing
down and it seems a bit flimsy.
>
> Steve Zicree
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Sender(standard float) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
I ran into something this evening working on my right fuel tank. In the wing
kit Van's sends you a small "float and wire" diagram to bend the float arm
to the right dimensions. I glanced at the ISO view in the upper left corner
of the depiction and if you bend the float arm the way they show it there
the float body will impact the rear stiffener in the empty position. So if
you pay close attention to the 3/4" 90 degree bend you make in the float arm
in relation to the float itself you will avoid problems. Take this task slow
and systematic. Cleco the sender in. Understand what side the float arm
clips in. Study the diagram/dimensions in the lose papers and not the Appox.
3" called out on drawing 16A for the "X" & "Y" bend. In the diagram provided
it calls out for specific dimensions and are different for the left and
right fuel tank.
I hope this helps someone out there before they hit this stage. I will be
honest I only realized this when I was all done, bending and cutting. Only
when checking the travel of the arm and float did I notice, "bending the 90
degree the wrong way" the float body would have impact the bottom, rear
stiffener. I would not want to bend the wire 180 degrees the other way,
she'll probably break clean off on you.
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<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>, <SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | ROUTE based decoded METARs and TAFs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
This isn't rocket science by any stretch, but it is brand new functionality
on my decoded weather stuff...
http://www.rvproject.com/wx/
Now you can enter origin and destination airports and a course width, and
you can get decoded weather along that course (great circle). This should
simplify x-country flight planning imho...at-a-glance color coded weather
along your route.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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