---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/25/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:57 AM - Re: titanium tie down bolts (Dale Mitchell) 2. 06:00 AM - Re: Control stick grips (Alex Peterson) 3. 06:17 AM - Re: Wheel Pants (Tailwheel) (Kyle Boatright) 4. 06:18 AM - pumpkin bombing - way OT (john schmidt) 5. 07:20 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 11/24/04 (Thomas Velvick) 6. 07:33 AM - Re: pumpkin bombing - way OT (Doug Rozendaal) 7. 07:44 AM - Re: pumpkin bombing - way OT (Jeff Orear) 8. 07:51 AM - Re: pumpkin bombing - way OT (linn walters) 9. 08:50 AM - Re: Wheel Pants (Tailwheel) (Dan Checkoway) 10. 09:10 AM - Re: Wheel Pants (Tailwheel) (Sam Buchanan) 11. 09:30 AM - Re: Wheel Pants (Tailwheel) (Kyle Boatright) 12. 12:27 PM - Re: RVs in the Mojave/Lancaster,CA area (Thomas Wimmer) 13. 05:40 PM - Re: Wheel Pants (Tailwheel) (Larry Bowen) 14. 09:22 PM - Weight Shift Control (Curt Reimer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:15 AM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hqhnzDdVZaEzFuc7boaIq7VlJuH2Ei4RamcNt6UtCvk2JprISM8jXLLGLBVcW/Zo6DYjHdtp/ifGuDAGQUi2RVfx8nblnp2T4WmeTXZAY2H9XxmoiBjHWqivDNbn1/1B3TeLq9lRnV8ROtUo3RkR7kdQxNbcWvVqrKjtIyWeyMk= ; From: Dale Mitchell Subject: Re: RV-List: titanium tie down bolts --> RV-List message posted by: Dale Mitchell My math finds the tie downs bolts will be riped out of the airplane. JMHO Dale Mitchell --- Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/24/04 8:29:47 PM US Eastern > Standard Time, > 1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net writes: > > > > If you do the math, it would take nearly 8 > tons to break a 7075 > > aluminum > > >hold down (with a 3/8" threaded shaft.). The rope > will break first. Next, > > >the spar will buckle. Next, the four 10-32 bolts > holding the mount in place > > > > >will shear. > > > > > I did the math and only got 3.87 tons. > > > > Click on the > this > by the > Admin. > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:11 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Control stick grips --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > Love mine, no connection other than satisfied customer- Kevin > is an RV > builder and knows the routine- & FWIW: PTT & trim & NO FLAPS! 8-) > > It's the old KISS thing, dontchaknow! > > Mark do not archive Another thought on the flaps - I have already written that I don't think they belong on the stick, since our planes fly twice the flap speed. However, a good alternative is to have the flaps be in reach of the throttle hand when it is on the throttle. My toggle switch is just to the left of the vernier throttle, such that I do not have to take my hand off from the throttle to move flaps up or down. I really like the setup, see http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/panel.htm if you are interested. Alex Peterson RV6-A 554 hours Maple Grove, MN ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:54 AM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Wheel Pants (Tailwheel) --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" Larry, My wheelpants are pretty low and I mounted 'em per the directions. If I had it to do over again, I'd raise 'em a half inch or so, despite losing a mph or two. I've seen too many aircraft (not mine yet) with damaged wheelpants from grass strips or hard landings. Also, remember that even paved surfaces have irregularities like centerline reflectors. By the way, if your clearance is that small now, think about the clearance when you have a slightly low tire, and make a hard landing at a high weight... KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RV-List: Wheel Pants (Tailwheel) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > I've fit the wheel pants per the plans, with the plane in level attitude. > When I set the tail back down, I have what seems to be very little > clearence > between the ground and the aft half of the fairing. The aft corner is > only > 1.6" above the ground, and there is maybe .75" clearance near the tire. > Will this survive a firm landing or an unkept grass strip? I guess > raising > the fairing higher than the 1" above the top of the tire is the answer. > What have others done? > > - > Larry Bowen, RV-8, 27.5 hrs > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:05 AM PST US From: "john schmidt" Subject: RV-List: pumpkin bombing - way OT Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:17:56 -0600 --> RV-List message posted by: "john schmidt" An article appears on Avweb about some fun with a pumpkin bombing: http://www.avweb.com/news/skywrite/188626-1.html I speaks of Cubs, Champs, and even a B-25 doing a pass and dropping a number of pumpkins. This purportedly took place recently in Iowa. I think I know of a RV/B-25 driver in Iowa - coincidence? (maybe slightly RV-related - has anyone flour-bombed in an RV?) John Schmidt RV6 ridiculously slow build St. Paul, MN please, do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:19 AM PST US From: Thomas Velvick Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 11/24/04 --> RV-List message posted by: Thomas Velvick Hi Quinn Check out www.eaa538.org/azwing or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AZ_RVList/ Regards, Tom Velvick Peoria, AZ N53KT rv-4 N7053L rv-4 rv-6a wiring and engine At 12:57 AM 11/25/04, you wrote: >Time: 05:59:29 AM PST US >From: >Subject: RV-List: Phoenix RV 10 Builders? > >--> RV-List message posted by: > >Hi, I'm a novice RV builder working on the RV10 and looking for a Phoenix-area >RV10 builders group. Are there any RV10 builders or builders groups in >Phoenix? >Would love to connect. > >Quinn Talley >40295 >Tail Cone --- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:26 AM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: pumpkin bombing - way OT --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" For the record, and the local FSDO!!!! I was not a party to this activity. Only because I wasn't asked ;-) I think I know the offenders and they just might be from Minnesota...... Happy Turkey Day everyone, Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal ----- Original Message ----- From: "john schmidt" Subject: RV-List: pumpkin bombing - way OT > --> RV-List message posted by: "john schmidt" > > > An article appears on Avweb about some fun with a pumpkin bombing: > > http://www.avweb.com/news/skywrite/188626-1.html > > I speaks of Cubs, Champs, and even a B-25 doing a pass and dropping a number of pumpkins. This purportedly took place recently in Iowa. > > I think I know of a RV/B-25 driver in Iowa - coincidence? > > (maybe slightly RV-related - has anyone flour-bombed in an RV?) > > > John Schmidt RV6 ridiculously slow build > St. Paul, MN > > please, > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:30 AM PST US From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: Re: RV-List: pumpkin bombing - way OT --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" Kinda sounds like jealousy to me!! Happy Turkey Day fellow RV'ers Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A N782P (reserved) firewall forward Peshtigo, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: pumpkin bombing - way OT > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > > For the record, and the local FSDO!!!! > > I was not a party to this activity. Only because I wasn't asked ;-) > > I think I know the offenders and they just might be from Minnesota...... > > Happy Turkey Day everyone, > > Tailwinds, > Doug Rozendaal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john schmidt" > To: > Subject: RV-List: pumpkin bombing - way OT > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "john schmidt" >> >> >> An article appears on Avweb about some fun with a pumpkin bombing: >> >> > http://www.avweb.com/news/skywrite/188626-1.html >> >> I speaks of Cubs, Champs, and even a B-25 doing a pass and dropping a > number of pumpkins. This purportedly took place recently in Iowa. >> >> I think I know of a RV/B-25 driver in Iowa - coincidence? >> >> (maybe slightly RV-related - has anyone flour-bombed in an RV?) >> >> >> John Schmidt RV6 ridiculously slow build >> St. Paul, MN >> >> please, >> do not archive >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:37 AM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: pumpkin bombing - way OT --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Doug Rozendaal wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > >For the record, and the local FSDO!!!! > >I was not a party to this activity. Only because I wasn't asked ;-) > >I think I know the offenders > Offenders??? Typo??? Didn't you mean "Defenders"??? The home guard needs to keep their skills current. :-D That story made my day. Especially the disclaimer at the bottom. We really need to keep the perspective, don't we??? > and they just might be from Minnesota...... > Sigh .... so far away ..... and I have targets!!! Linn .... love those radicals! do not archive > >Happy Turkey Day everyone, > >Tailwinds, >Doug Rozendaal > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:35 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Wheel Pants (Tailwheel) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > had it to do over again, I'd raise 'em a half inch or so, despite losing a > mph or two. Is there any concrete proof out there that having the wheel pants lower, covering more of the tire, actually provides a speed increase? I'd be surprised if the difference is even measurable on the 10ths of a knot scale. Correct me if I'm wrong! do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:12 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Wheel Pants (Tailwheel) --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Dan Checkoway wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > >>had it to do over again, I'd raise 'em a half inch or so, despite losing a >>mph or two. > > > Is there any concrete proof out there that having the wheel pants lower, > covering more of the tire, actually provides a speed increase? > > I'd be surprised if the difference is even measurable on the 10ths of a knot > scale. Correct me if I'm wrong! ..........but it sure *looks* faster......... ;-) Holiday Greetings, Sam Buchanan http://thervjournal.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:52 AM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Wheel Pants (Tailwheel) --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" One (of several) differences between Van's new and old wheelpants is the amount of tire poking through the hole. The new pants are claimed to be, what, 7 mph faster? My guess is the amount of unfaired tire sticking out in the wind accounts for some of that difference. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Wheel Pants (Tailwheel) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > >> had it to do over again, I'd raise 'em a half inch or so, despite losing >> a >> mph or two. > > Is there any concrete proof out there that having the wheel pants lower, > covering more of the tire, actually provides a speed increase? > > I'd be surprised if the difference is even measurable on the 10ths of a > knot > scale. Correct me if I'm wrong! > > do not archive > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:01 PM PST US From: Thomas Wimmer Subject: Re: RV-List: RVs in the Mojave/Lancaster,CA area --> RV-List message posted by: Thomas Wimmer JOHN STARN schrieb: > --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" > > And just to the east (138 to the 18 east) there is APV, Apple Valley > Airport. We have two RV-4's, two -6A's, one -9 and of course one HRII all > flying and several RV's under construction at the airport/local garages. will have a look into that, thanks for the tip. > KABONG > Do Not Archive > > Subject: Re: RV-List: RVs in the Mojave/Lancaster,CA area > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" >> >>Thomas, >> >>There's a handful of RVs based out there near Lancaster (including the >>famous Paul "Rosie" Rosales), and tons more in the LA basin (Chino, Cable, >>Whiteman, etc.). Depending on how long you'll be in town, you might at the school till march >>consider joining the SoCal-RVlist Yahoo group. Lots of active fliers & jup, done. waiting for the confirmation... >>builders. We should be able to get you the ride of a lifetime if you want >>to come with us on a fly-out sometime. jea, that would be great, thanks >>Here's the link to the SoCal group: >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCal-RVlist/ >> >>)_( Dan >>RV-7 N714D >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>my name is Thomas, I'm from germany, interested in the RVs and am >>>currently staying in lancaster (studying in mojave). > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:53 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Wheel Pants (Tailwheel) --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Thanks for all the input on the wheel pants. Looks like I have some re-work ahead of me to raise them up a little. Better to do it now than after things are painted..... - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:12 PM PST US From: "Curt Reimer" Subject: RV-List: Weight Shift Control --> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" Not sure if anyone else has tried this. I guess this comes under the heading of silly but fun things to do in your RV. When properly trimmed out, in very smooth air, I find I can control the airplane by shifting my weight from side to side. Turning right is easiest, since I can lean way over on the passenger's side for greater moment. Turning left I kind of scrunch against the left cabin wall and wait. Slowly but surely, the left wing will dip and initiate a turn. Mind you, at 260 lbs I have a lot of weight to shift, so your results may vary. cheers, Curt