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1. 02:35 AM - List Contributors Lagging By 38%... (Matt Dralle)
2. 05:25 AM - Wheel pants drag and height (jbker@juno.com)
3. 10:02 AM - Re: titanium tie down bolts (glaesers)
4. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: titanium tie down bolts (linn walters)
5. 04:42 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties (LarryRobertHelming)
6. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties (Jerry Springer)
7. 05:26 PM - vacuum gauges for sale (Dave Mader)
8. 05:52 PM - Re: titanium tie down bolts (Stanley Blanton)
9. 07:40 PM - A "project" RV6A (MnwPeeps@aol.com)
10. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties (LarryRobertHelming)
11. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties (Jerry Springer)
12. 09:34 PM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties (Scott VanArtsdalen)
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| Subject: | List Contributors Lagging By 38%... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this
year is currently lagging behind last year by approximately 38%! I'm
hoping that everyone is just waiting until the last minute to show their
support... ;-)
Please remember that its solely your direct Contributions that keep these
Lists up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't
want to support the Lists directly, then I will likely have to start adding
advertisements to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I *really*
don't want to have to start doing that. I really like the non-commercial
atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too.
Won't you please take a moment to make a contribution today in support of
the continued ad-free operation of all these Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have
already made their generous contribution to support the Lists! Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Wheel pants drag and height |
--> RV-List message posted by: "jbker@juno.com" <jbker@juno.com>
I think the best compromise on height is to raise them until you can put minimum
gap clearance. It is the leakage into and out of the pants that causes the largest
contributor to drag IMHO. Bill Davis did a beautiful job of fitting the
sides right up against the lower part of the outer rim. You do not have to allow
for flat or slack tires in this position. You are also at a point where you
are crossing the tire fore and aft that does not deflect much so you can tighten
the gap safely there also. I am considering adding a single layer of FG to
close it further and it will be sacrificed with a slack tire landing.
Bernie Kerr, now running rotary engine on 9A, have not taxied yet.
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| Subject: | Re: titanium tie down bolts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "glaesers" <glaesers@wideopenwest.com>
I was thinking about retractable tie-down rings instead of the screw-in
type. I did a bunch of searching and couldn't find anything available, so I
started doodling myself. Here is an initial concept:
http://www.wideopenwest.com/~glaesers/TieDown.html
Has anyone seen or done anything similar on an RV?
I'm not building yet, so I haven't figured out where, or how, I would mount
this. But since tie-downs are being discussed, I figured I'd toss this out
for comments.
Dennis Glaeser
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| Subject: | Re: titanium tie down bolts |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
glaesers wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "glaesers" <glaesers@wideopenwest.com>
>
>I was thinking about retractable tie-down rings instead of the screw-in
>type. I did a bunch of searching and couldn't find anything available, so I
>started doodling myself. Here is an initial concept:
> http://www.wideopenwest.com/~glaesers/TieDown.html
>
>Has anyone seen or done anything similar on an RV?
>
>I'm not building yet, so I haven't figured out where, or how, I would mount
>this. But since tie-downs are being discussed, I figured I'd toss this out
>for comments.
>
> Dennis Glaeser
>
Not a bad idea (and good graphics)! Cessna has some retractable
tiedowns that fold up into the fairing at the top of the wing strut.
If you want a simple solution ...... just unscrew the tiedown when not
in use. I know racers do that to cut down on drag. They even put a
little Avery dot over the hole!
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Well said and understood. Few things are promised to last forever. Water
will cut through steel also if you let it work at it long enough. TieWraps
and Adel clamps included.
So,,,,,,, what would be wrong with annually (along with changing out the
battery), changing out the tie wraps. Right......put fresh ones on every
year in FWF land. Cut the old ones off. Takes what,,,, about 30 minutes to
do the whole engine/FWF area while you are there already to look over
everything else for concerns. Tie Wraps are cheap and good for mental
health and security. Check out Harbor Freight if you haven't already to see
what I mean. I Got a thousand for less than $10.
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Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
The sincerest satisfactions in life come in doing and not dodging duty;
in meeting and solving problems, in facing facts;
in flying a virgin plane never flown before.
- Richard L. Evans & Larry R Helming
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
> >
> > There is more to wear than a materials hardness.
>
> Amen to that,
>
Message 6
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Be kind of interesting to know what the original post was. At least it
did not show up on my computer.
Jerry
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LarryRobertHelming wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
>Well said and understood. Few things are promised to last forever. Water
>will cut through steel also if you let it work at it long enough. TieWraps
>and Adel clamps included.
>
>So,,,,,,, what would be wrong with annually (along with changing out the
>battery), changing out the tie wraps. Right......put fresh ones on every
>year in FWF land. Cut the old ones off. Takes what,,,, about 30 minutes to
>do the whole engine/FWF area while you are there already to look over
>everything else for concerns. Tie Wraps are cheap and good for mental
>health and security. Check out Harbor Freight if you haven't already to see
>what I mean. I Got a thousand for less than $10.
>
>do not archive
>
>Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
>
>The sincerest satisfactions in life come in doing and not dodging duty;
>in meeting and solving problems, in facing facts;
>in flying a virgin plane never flown before.
>- Richard L. Evans & Larry R Helming
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties
>
>
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
>>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
>>>
>>>There is more to wear than a materials hardness.
>>>
>>>
>>Amen to that,
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | vacuum gauges for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Mader" <davemader@bresnan.net>
To any of you guys that are still using vacuum and would like some very
nice instruments, I
have an R.C. Allen artificial horizon, (new in 2001/ $590) and an R.C. Allen
lighted vacuum
D.G. (new in 2001/$690) Best price over $200 for either one. Contact me
off list if
interested. davemader@bresnan.net
Dave Mader
2nd slow build 6
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| Subject: | titanium tie down bolts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stanley Blanton" <stanb@door.net>
Try mcmaster.com (pn # 3103T31) for a forged titanium lifting eye bolt.
3/8 -16 thread
Stan Blanton
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| Subject: | A "project" RV6A |
--> RV-List message posted by: MnwPeeps@aol.com
I have a slightly damaged 6A that may require a little more time and hustle
to repair than I'm interested in spending. I might well consider an offer here,
for what might be considered a relatively minor "project." Full IFR, great
plane - needs prop, spinner, nose gear, and likely an engine look-see. located
near Portsmouth, NH. Write for details - I may be not near a phone for a few
days. Don
Message 10
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
The original was on the aeroelectric-list and has just about run its course
for the last few days. Seems many there think the Zip Ties ( aka tie
wraps ) should not be used FWF and adel clamps are the way to go. Others
hold the view they are handy, convenient, and low cost although somewhat
less than reliable in the longer run.
Jerry, sorry for the confusion I caused by posting it to the RV-List. It is
RV related as I see it however.
Indiana Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> Be kind of interesting to know what the original post was. At least it
> did not show up on my computer.
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
>
> LarryRobertHelming wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
<lhelming@sigecom.net>
> >
> >Well said and understood. Few things are promised to last forever.
Water
> >will cut through steel also if you let it work at it long enough.
TieWraps
> >and Adel clamps included.
> >
> >So,,,,,,, what would be wrong with annually (along with changing out the
> >battery), changing out the tie wraps. Right......put fresh ones on every
> >year in FWF land. Cut the old ones off. Takes what,,,, about 30 minutes
to
> >do the whole engine/FWF area while you are there already to look over
> >everything else for concerns. Tie Wraps are cheap and good for mental
> >health and security. Check out Harbor Freight if you haven't already to
see
> >what I mean. I Got a thousand for less than $10.
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
> >
> >The sincerest satisfactions in life come in doing and not dodging duty;
> >in meeting and solving problems, in facing facts;
> >in flying a virgin plane never flown before.
> >- Richard L. Evans & Larry R Helming
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
> >To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell"
<jjewell@telus.net>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
> >>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
> >>>
> >>>There is more to wear than a materials hardness.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Amen to that,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
LarryRobertHelming wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
>The original was on the aeroelectric-list and has just about run its course
>for the last few days. Seems many there think the Zip Ties ( aka tie
>wraps ) should not be used FWF and adel clamps are the way to go. Others
>hold the view they are handy, convenient, and low cost although somewhat
>less than reliable in the longer run.
>
>Jerry, sorry for the confusion I caused by posting it to the RV-List. It is
>RV related as I see it however.
>
>Indiana Larry
>
>
>
Not sure how reliable they are going to be yet Larry, I only have 15
years on my tie wraps FWF on my RV-6. :-)
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
It's usually people who are still building that worry about stuff like
that. I've got two years on my tie-wraps AND adel clamps and both are
holding up rather well. I used quality tie-wraps FWF though not the
cheapies from the auto store.
LarryRobertHelming wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
>The original was on the aeroelectric-list and has just about run its course
>for the last few days. Seems many there think the Zip Ties ( aka tie
>wraps ) should not be used FWF and adel clamps are the way to go. Others
>hold the view they are handy, convenient, and low cost although somewhat
>less than reliable in the longer run.
>
>Jerry, sorry for the confusion I caused by posting it to the RV-List. It is
>RV related as I see it however.
>
>Indiana Larry
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Be kind of interesting to know what the original post was. At least it
>>did not show up on my computer.
>>
>>Jerry
>>do not archive
>>
>>LarryRobertHelming wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
>>>
>>>
><lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
>
>>>Well said and understood. Few things are promised to last forever.
>>>
>>>
>Water
>
>
>>>will cut through steel also if you let it work at it long enough.
>>>
>>>
>TieWraps
>
>
>>>and Adel clamps included.
>>>
>>>So,,,,,,, what would be wrong with annually (along with changing out the
>>>battery), changing out the tie wraps. Right......put fresh ones on every
>>>year in FWF land. Cut the old ones off. Takes what,,,, about 30 minutes
>>>
>>>
>to
>
>
>>>do the whole engine/FWF area while you are there already to look over
>>>everything else for concerns. Tie Wraps are cheap and good for mental
>>>health and security. Check out Harbor Freight if you haven't already to
>>>
>>>
>see
>
>
>>>what I mean. I Got a thousand for less than $10.
>>>
>>>do not archive
>>>
>>>Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
>>>
>>>The sincerest satisfactions in life come in doing and not dodging duty;
>>>in meeting and solving problems, in facing facts;
>>>in flying a virgin plane never flown before.
>>>- Richard L. Evans & Larry R Helming
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>>>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell"
>>>>
>>>>
><jjewell@telus.net>
>
>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
>>>>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zip-Ties
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>There is more to wear than a materials hardness.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Amen to that,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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--
Scott VanArtsdalen
Van Arts Consulting Services
3848 McHenry Ave
Suite #155-184
Modesto, CA 95356
209-986-4647
Ps 34:4,6
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