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1. 01:20 AM - Re: Riveting LE To Spar (Greg@itmack)
2. 04:40 AM - KLN-90A pinout or installation manual needed (Stephen J. Soule)
3. 05:01 AM - Re: Anywhere Map Web Site Attack (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
4. 06:01 AM - Re: To Quick Build or Not (Scott Bilinski)
5. 06:22 AM - Re: To Quick Build or Not (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
6. 06:43 AM - Fw: [FlyRotary] Fw: stuff for sale Avionics, Electrically Controlled varable Pitch Prop (Ed Anderson)
7. 07:27 AM - 43.13 on PDF (Paul Besing)
8. 07:34 AM - 43.13 PDF (Paul Besing)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: To Quick Build or Not (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
10. 08:10 AM - Re: To Quick Build or Not (Scott Bilinski)
11. 08:13 AM - Re: To Quick Build or Not (Sam Buchanan)
12. 08:25 AM - Re: To Quick Build or Not (Dwight Frye)
13. 08:31 AM - Re: To Quick Build or Not (William King)
14. 08:59 AM - Re: To Quick Build or Not (PSILeD@aol.com)
15. 09:07 AM - Re: To Quick Build or Not (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
16. 09:08 AM - Re: Off topic - Control Vision web site (Chris W)
17. 09:22 AM - Newbie Q: Fluting seat ribs (Andrew Douglas)
18. 09:26 AM - Mags Crossed (John Furey)
19. 09:32 AM - Re: Newbie Q: Fluting seat ribs (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
20. 09:50 AM - Trutrack autopilots in RV4 (Bruce Bell)
21. 10:03 AM - Re: Trutrack autopilots in RV4 (Sam Buchanan)
22. 10:27 AM - Re: Trutrack autopilots in RV4 (Dan Checkoway)
23. 12:09 PM - Re: Off topic - Control Vision web site (Scott Vanartsdalen)
24. 12:17 PM - Re: Newbie Q: Fluting seat ribs (Jim Oke)
25. 12:21 PM - Re: To Quick Build or Not (Dwight Frye)
26. 05:19 PM - XP-360 Site... (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
27. 10:03 PM - Re: Alternator temperature monitor was Apples to ()
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| From: | "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Riveting LE To Spar |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com>
I bought one of the C sets and used it on my aileron to back rivet the top
row of rivets along the spar between the trailing and leading edge skins.
It made the job easy.
Greg
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>
> Dave,
> I bought mine on EBay for about $12 4 years ago. There is a similar item
> for sale there now. See
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50928&item=3861301551
&rd=1
>
> My first exposure to this tool was from RV8 builder Steve Dixon. Steve
> found one of these in a box of bucking bars at Sun N' Fun. I borrowed his
> and loved it. It looks really strange, but it works great. It can be
> positioned in areas where no other back riveting tool can reach. Due to
> it's mass, I find I that my ratio of tipped or sub standard rivets dropped
> WAY down.
> These things are very pricey when new, but can be found quite cheaply,
used.
>
> EBay member "Alien Spirit" had a lot of these for sale in the spring and
> summer of this year. He now has a variation of the C set, an L set. See
below.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4513671719&fro
mMakeTrack=true
>
> FYI Alien Spirit is great to do business with. I've been pleased with
> everything I've bought from him.
>
> Charlie Kuss
>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Figgins" <2004nospam@earthlink.net>
> >
> >Charlie
> >Where did you find the C style back riveting set? I looked around after
the
> >last thread on this subject and could not find one listed.
> >Dave
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Kuss
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Riveting LE To Spar
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
> >
> >Dan
> > Yes, signing up for Yahoo is free. Once you join, I suggest you sign
up
> >for the Lycoming group on Yahoo. Mahlon Russell of Mattituck Aviation,
Don
> >Rivera of Airflow Performance and another FI guru (forgot his name) all
are
> >members of that group. Great resource for Lycoming and Lycoming clone
> >engines. Someone recently also started a Superior XP 360 group on Yahoo..
> > The BINFORD 9000 weighs 3 pounds, so holding it on the manufactured
head
> >is NOT a problem. You were using the 1/8" universal rivet set, wheren't
> >you???
> > Yes, it is drilled to use the standard rivet sits you use in your
squeezer
> >and the Avery C frame tool. I drilled 3 holes. The center hole is used to
do
> >the 3 center rivets. The two outside holes (for the rivet set) are used
to
> >reach the upper and lower corner rivets. This method eliminates the
problem
> >of tipped rivets in this area. It also allows you to use a less than
skilled
> >assistant. You just need an assistant with long arms, especially when
> >working on the 9 & 9A wings. I also notched the bar, so that the flanging
on
> >the lightening holes doesn't prevent you from holding the bar parallel
with
> >the rivet. I just used a chunk of hot rolled
> >(cheapest) steel. It took me less than an hour to make the bar using a
band
> >saw, belt sander and a drill.
> > Since the person running the rivet gun can watch the shop head being
> >formed, getting great results is much easier. This bar in conjunction
with a
> >C style back riveting set was really handy while setting the universal
> >rivets around the wing roots of my 8A fuselage.
> >Charlie
> >PS We've also got some good tech info available on the site as well.
Check
> >it all out
> >
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
> > >
> > >In a message dated 12/21/04 11:21:02 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> > >chaztuna@adelphia.net writes:
> > >
> > > > Dave
> > > > No, unfortunately, it's not. I can sign you up. After you see what
> > > > you want, you can simply remove yourself from the group.
> > > > Charlie Kuss
> > > >
> > >
> > >Charlie,
> > >
> > >I too started to view the picture. Is signing up for Yahoo free?
> > >
> > >I too had trouble in this area of building the plane, and would like to
> > >see what you are doing there. I did something similar, I think. I had
> > >a honker bucking bar, drilled it for a rivet set, and back riveted the
> > >ribs to the spar.
> > >Using masking tape on the set to cushion the bouncing would probably
> > >help a lot. I had trouble keeping the tool on the round head of the
> >rivets.
> > >
> > >Dan Hopper
> > >RV-7A
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | KLN-90A pinout or installation manual needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Good Morning,
Anyone out there have a pinout for the Bendix King KLN-90A? Even better, an
installation manual that they want to part with?
Email me off list if you want to.
Stephen Soule
ssoule@pfclaw.com
Swanton, Vermont
N227RV RV-6A flying
N222SZ RV-8 under construction
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| Subject: | Anywhere Map Web Site Attack |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Sorry team that I was not able to help. I was sound asleep.
Hey don't get mad at the hackers. Its job security for me!
This time of year the idle time produces a substantial increase in worm
activity. Usually round the first week of January. Idle time means idle
minds, leads to additional problems.
Bad for you.
Good for me.
For those wondering, I work for a company, iss.net, that spends its time
protecting business from hackers. It takes a hacker to protect from
hackers. Our company is responsible for finding 2/3 of the worlds
software vulnerabilities. We find em, protect our customers, then tell
the vendors about their holes in their software. Its lots of fun really.
I know for the average Joe six pack that it's a real mess and I agree,
but think of what I do like this in an aviation sort of way.
Imagine your in the fence business for airports. Imagine further that
you , a great detective, get paid to slewth around an airport. You find
a breach in a corporate hanger where the hanger owner just leaves his
door wide open for the yoyo kids to get it and mess up the very nice G-V
that sits there. I mean wide open. There is even a neon sign over the
door saying "Door is open, come right in. There is a very nice G-V in
here." You walk right in to the very very nice hanger, turn the lights
on, and admire the polished white floor. I mean it is really beautiful.
What a fine job they have done keeping the place clean. The lights are
focused on the hanger queen. The stairs are down on the G-V. You climb
in, sit in the captains chair and just drool over the just unbelievable
panel. I mean WOW! You don't touch anything. You just sit there. After
10 minutes, you get up, leave your business card on the seat, and head
out. You unplug the neon sign, and lock the door behind you.
G-V guy calls you first thing in the morning to thank you for finding
the door open, he cant imagine how that happened, AND he wants to buy a
fence from you. Not just any fence, he wants the best damn fence known
to man. AND he wants you to keep an eye out on the fence forever and
ever. Pretty cool huh?
Its about the only way a hacker can actually get paid to do what he
loves. It's a neat business model.
Sorry to digress but I thought I'd share that with you all since the
tread was rolling along anyway.
And please, no e-mails to hack your disgruntled wife's computer for
divorce ammo! :) She has no money and won't buy a fence from me anyway!
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Vanartsdalen
Subject: Re: RV-List: Anywhere Map Web Site Attack
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Yeah, it happened last night between 10:30 and 11:00pm PST. I was
trying to get into their discussion forums and got the new defaced web
page. Looked like an internet worm to me. I wish I could remember what
the site said. Maybe our good friend Mr. Stewart could have helped nail
the culprit. Seemed to say something about NoSaferWeb or Net or
something. It was just too late at night.
John <n1cxo320@salidaco.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "John"
It appears AWM web site was attacked...try their "documentation" site,
or
their discussion site. Damn hackers !
John
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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| Subject: | Re: To Quick Build or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
On the flip side, I did the 8a slow build, spent 30 hrs a week in the shop,
this is time in the shop not necessarily time working. 2 years to the month
for first flight, this included paint (painted myself) but no gear fairings
or wheel pants. After building the first one I could do a slow build in 1.5
years no problem.
Wings are easy compared to the fuse. Slow build wings quick build fuse is a
good compromise IMHO.
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | To Quick Build or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
As a repeat offender, I ditto Scotts comment. This is exactly what I
did. I had mods to do on the wings so I did not want QB wings. I put a
wet wing smoke tank built into the wing walk area, and I build 60gal
tanks instead of 40 for the added burn of the 540. Since I wanted the
unmodified version of the fuse, I got the QB.
As was stated before, there is plenty to do on the QB and it too
requires time and commitment as well.
Enjoy,
Mike
S8 wiring
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
Subject: Re: RV-List: To Quick Build or Not
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
On the flip side, I did the 8a slow build, spent 30 hrs a week in the
shop,
this is time in the shop not necessarily time working. 2 years to the
month
for first flight, this included paint (painted myself) but no gear
fairings
or wheel pants. After building the first one I could do a slow build in
1.5
years no problem.
Wings are easy compared to the fuse. Slow build wings quick build fuse
is a
good compromise IMHO.
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Fw: [FlyRotary] Fw: stuff for sale Avionics, Electrically Controlled |
varable Pitch Prop
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Attached is a list of avionics and an Electrical controlled variable pitch
> propeller that the FBO at my airpatch is interested in selling.
> As he mentions this was all pretty expensive avionics and he has no need
for
> it. Just thought some of you might be interested, if so contact Jon Long
at
> the below e mail address. >
> Ed Anderson
> Subject: stuff for sale
>
>
> >
> > Hi, Ed...here's what I have available to the highest bidder. All of it
is
> in excellent condition, having been used for 160 hours. Thanks for your
help
> with this. I can be contacted at mail@longaviation.com
> > Jon
> >
> > 3 blade CAP system (cockpit adjustable propeller) by NSI Aero, Model 200
> hub, Powerfin blades, Digital Blade Angle Gage, electric controls. Cost
for
> the system new was $4500.
> >
> > KX-155 NAv-Comm with glideslope
> > KX-165 Nav-Comm with glideslope
> > KLN 89B IFR GPS with annunciator/switching panel
> > KT-78 Transponder with Mode C
> > Century 2000 aurtopilot with altitude hold and coupling
> > Century NSD 1000 HSI (electric), fully coupled
> > King KI-209 nav indicator with glideslope
> > King KMA 24 audio panel with marker beacons
> > King IFR GPS antenna (teardrop shape)
> >
> > This is all pretty expensive stuff. Cost new (160 hours ago) was over
> $40K.
> >
> >
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Does anyone have a link the FAR 43.13B on PDF? The one on the FAA web page
appears to be down. There was a PDF out there that had active links on it
that were linked to the table of contents.
do not archive
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Wouldn't you know it, as soon as I posted it I found it. For the archive,
here it is:
http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/300/pdf/1a-cover.pdf
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
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| Subject: | Re: To Quick Build or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Listers,
Is everyone on this list 61 or 62 years old? I will be 61 in about 2 weeks.
I started my slow build -7A when I took an early retirement from Delco Delphi
Electronics about 4 years ago and spent the next 3 years building the plane.
I found the somewhat mundane, although challenging (whatever this means!)
sheet metal work to be quite therapeutic. A good way to wind down from a hectic
career.
Its a tough call. As has been pointed out, there is still plenty to do after
the quick build phase is over. The sheet metal work with Van's great plans
went very smoothly. As they say time flies when you're having fun! It sure
didn't seem like 2 years of sheet metal work. But, the last year of instrument
panel and firewall forward seemed like 5 years. It just seemed to get slower
and s l o w e r.
Do not archive.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (Finally flying -- it was worth every minute of the build time.)
Do not archive,
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
N766DH
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| Subject: | Re: To Quick Build or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I know what you mean, I burned out 4 months before the plane was finished.
Oh and I am 42!
At 10:35 AM 12/22/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
>Listers,
>
>Is everyone on this list 61 or 62 years old? I will be 61 in about 2 weeks.
>I started my slow build -7A when I took an early retirement from Delco Delphi
>Electronics about 4 years ago and spent the next 3 years building the plane.
>I found the somewhat mundane, although challenging (whatever this means!)
>sheet metal work to be quite therapeutic. A good way to wind down from a
>hectic
>career.
>
>Its a tough call. As has been pointed out, there is still plenty to do after
>the quick build phase is over. The sheet metal work with Van's great plans
>went very smoothly. As they say time flies when you're having fun! It sure
>didn't seem like 2 years of sheet metal work. But, the last year of
>instrument
>panel and firewall forward seemed like 5 years. It just seemed to get slower
>and s l o w e r.
>
>Do not archive.
>
>Dan Hopper
>RV-7A (Finally flying -- it was worth every minute of the build time.)
>
>
>Do not archive,
>
>Dan Hopper
>RV-7A
>N766DH
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: To Quick Build or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
> Listers,
>
> Is everyone on this list 61 or 62 years old? I will be 61 in about 2 weeks.
> I started my slow build -7A when I took an early retirement from Delco Delphi
> Electronics about 4 years ago and spent the next 3 years building the plane.
> I found the somewhat mundane, although challenging (whatever this means!)
> sheet metal work to be quite therapeutic. A good way to wind down from a hectic
> career.
>
> Its a tough call. As has been pointed out, there is still plenty to do after
> the quick build phase is over. The sheet metal work with Van's great plans
> went very smoothly. As they say time flies when you're having fun! It sure
> didn't seem like 2 years of sheet metal work. But, the last year of instrument
> panel and firewall forward seemed like 5 years. It just seemed to get slower
> and s l o w e r.
>
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A (Finally flying -- it was worth every minute of the build time.)
Dan, sounds like you "enjoyed" the 75% done, 75% to go syndrome!
Based on watching a bunch of RV's get completed over the past eight
years, it seems to me the basic airframe construction time (what is
often referred to as "bangin' rivets) is about 50% of the total project.
That is why I have suggested to several builders of the newer kits to
skip the QB option and save the $$$$$$'s for the engine and/or panel.
The percentage of time saved with the QB vs standard kit has shrunk
considerably with the CAD designed and produced kits. If a QB saves 50%
of airframe construction time, that may only be ~25% of total project time.
That said, the QB is an excellent option if time is considerably more
valuable than budget. And the workmanship of the QB's is first-rate. But
the idea of a QB saving vast amounts of *total project time* over the
standard kit is not as valid as it was in the stone age when we had to
"drill every hole". :-)
Sam Buchanan (RV-6, slow build)
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| Subject: | Re: To Quick Build or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
On Wed Dec 22 10:35:07 2004, Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote :
>Is everyone on this list 61 or 62 years old? I will be 61 in about 2 weeks.
Nope ... I'm 46, not retired, and (as I said in another note) find that
carving out time to build it challenging. That being said, my goal is to
be done _before_ I am 50. Wings are 95% done (two bottom skins left to
rivet, and waiting on a time when I have a helper to get 'em out of
the way ... my helpers have been either sick or just unavailable for
the last few weeks) and I'm on the QB fuselage now. I really *really*
should be able to finish in 4 years! Geeze .. I hope, at least. :)
-- Dwight
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: To Quick Build or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William King" <bill@kane-king.com>
I must be a kid or something. Only 50!
I just finished the emp and can't wait to get the wings (SB). I just enjoy
the building process I guess.
I plan on slow build for the fuse as well.
If I get the urge to fly, I go fly...
Bill King
www.kane-king.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hopperdhh@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: To Quick Build or Not
> --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
> Listers,
>
> Is everyone on this list 61 or 62 years old? I will be 61 in about 2
> weeks.
> I started my slow build -7A when I took an early retirement from Delco
> Delphi
> Electronics about 4 years ago and spent the next 3 years building the
> plane.
> I found the somewhat mundane, although challenging (whatever this means!)
> sheet metal work to be quite therapeutic. A good way to wind down from a
> hectic
> career.
>
> Its a tough call. As has been pointed out, there is still plenty to do
> after
> the quick build phase is over. The sheet metal work with Van's great
> plans
> went very smoothly. As they say time flies when you're having fun! It
> sure
> didn't seem like 2 years of sheet metal work. But, the last year of
> instrument
> panel and firewall forward seemed like 5 years. It just seemed to get
> slower
> and s l o w e r.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A (Finally flying -- it was worth every minute of the build time.)
>
>
> Do not archive,
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A
> N766DH
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To Quick Build or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: PSILeD@aol.com
Dan,
The answer to your question is "No".
I am 69 and a QB 8 was essential as far as I was concerned.
It has turned into a slooooow QB, but more fun than this old guy can
remember.
Paul LeDoux
N9NM reserved
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| Subject: | Re: To Quick Build or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 12/22/04 11:27:06 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
dwight@openweave.org writes:
> Wings are 95% done (two bottom skins left to
> rivet, and waiting on a time when I have a helper to get 'em out of
> the way ... my helpers have been either sick or just unavailable for
> the last few weeks) and I'm on the QB fuselage now. I really *really*
> should be able to finish in 4 years! Geeze .. I hope, at least. :)
>
> -- Dwight
>
Dwight,
I did the bottom skins by myself. I used my HOPPER 9000 (similar to a
BINFORD 9000 from a day or two ago) bucking bar. What this is is a piece of steel
I
found at the local junk yard which measures 1 3/4 by 2 3/4 by 4 inches.
These dimensions aren't all that critical, that's just what I came across at the
junk yard. You don't want to drop this baby! To do the skin to rear spar
rivets, I dropped (err -- lowered down with a handle made of duct tape) the bar
in
and then backed the bar up with a device known as the HOPPER 9001. What this
is is a stick of wood about 1/4 by 1 by 14 inches wrapped on the end with
black foam pipe insulation and electrical tape until it works just right. Best
helper I ever had. When I was working at home alone with it, I could yell at
it all day long and it just kept on working. The wing was still in the jig
with the trailing edge down.
Now get back to work on that wing. No more excuses.
Seriously, I hope this helps someone.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (Flying since July)
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| Subject: | Re: Off topic - Control Vision web site |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Scott VanArtsdalen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
>Ah, the worm that took down Control Vision finally has a name:
>perl.santy. It targets UNIX systems that run PHPBBS. Looks like it hit
>them hard they are still down..
>
>
The vulnerability that allowed that to happen in PHPBBS has been known
for a while now, and the fix has also been available for a while. The
admins for those sites should have upgraded already.
Chris W
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| Subject: | Newbie Q: Fluting seat ribs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Andrew Douglas <adouglas@optonline.net>
FNG here...please be patient with what is probably a dumb question. I did
check the list archives, but did not find anything that addresses this.
I've just recently gotten involved in a half-built RV-7A project, so I'm
still learning the absolute basics. The builder is away for the holidays and
gave me some homework to do while he's away.
Said homework is deburring and fluting the seat ribs.
Now, I understand the whys and wherefores of fluting and flange
straightening, but naturally the reality doesn't *quite* match what I've
been reading.
Here's the quandary: The center seat ribs (F-715??) have gaps in the upper
surface flanges where they angle up (the thigh support section). So there
are two straight bits of flange on the top of the ribs, whereas the lower
flange is continuous.
I can flute the rib so that the long lower flange is straight, and so that
the two short upper flanges are straight...but that break in the upper
flange lets the whole rib bow along the upper surface, with the high point
right at the break.
I don't see any way to make it lie totally flat, since the upper flange is
not continuous...further fluting of the two short upper flanges makes them
bow, but does nothing to straighten the rib overall.
I hesitate to muck about with this any further for fear that I might be
work-hardening the flutes I've put in, taken out and further manipulated in
my unsuccessful attempts to make the whole thing lie flat.
In addition, the entire thing is twisted a fair bit. How the heck do you
deal with that?
It doesn't take much force to make it lie flat.
I suspect that this is not a big deal and I should just not worry about
it...things should line up fine once the seat pan is put in place.
Am I correct?
Thanks....
-----------------------------------------------------
Andrew Douglas
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Thanks to those of you that helped make me feel a little less foolish.
Apparently crossing the P-Leads is more common than I had thought and most
importantly I guess the only damage done was to my ego.
Merry Christmas
John RV6A O-320
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Q: Fluting seat ribs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Andrew,
You are close enough. When the floors are in place the whole assembly will
be strong. I think you are referring to the cutouts for installing the control
sticks, aren't you? You have to fasten the ribs back together again at the
top, so you could do that now.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (Flying since July)
In a message dated 12/22/04 12:23:20 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
adouglas@optonline.net writes:
>
> I hesitate to muck about with this any further for fear that I might be
> work-hardening the flutes I've put in, taken out and further manipulated in
> my unsuccessful attempts to make the whole thing lie flat.
>
> In addition, the entire thing is twisted a fair bit. How the heck do you
> deal with that?
>
> It doesn't take much force to make it lie flat.
>
> I suspect that this is not a big deal and I should just not worry about
> it...things should line up fine once the seat pan is put in place.
>
> Am I correct?
>
> Thanks....
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Andrew Douglas
>
>
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| Subject: | Trutrack autopilots in RV4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
Merry Christmas to all!
Any RV4 builders who installed a Altrak and Digitrak have any photos to
share with me. My wife just bought these for my Christmas present!
Installation info sort of lacking for my tastes. One look is worth a
thousand cross checks!
Happy Holidays to all!
Bruce Bell
Lubbock, Texas
RV4 # 2888
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| Subject: | Re: Trutrack autopilots in RV4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Bruce Bell wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Merry Christmas to all!
> Any RV4 builders who installed a Altrak and Digitrak have any photos to
> share with me. My wife just bought these for my Christmas present!
> Installation info sort of lacking for my tastes. One look is worth a
> thousand cross checks!
> Happy Holidays to all!
Sounds like you have been a very good boy! AlTrak installation in an
RV-6 (should be very similar to RV-4) here:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/altrak.htm
You will get spoiled to the AlTrak in about...oh.....two minutes!
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Trutrack autopilots in RV4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> > Any RV4 builders who installed a Altrak and Digitrak have any photos to
> > share with me. My wife just bought these for my Christmas present!
> > Installation info sort of lacking for my tastes. One look is worth a
> > thousand cross checks!
> > Happy Holidays to all!
Bruce,
I don't know the RV-4 control column setup very well (at all, really), but I
assume if you can't mount the aileron servo under the pilot or copilot's
seat, you could do a wing tip installation for the aileron servo. A good
example of that setup is Laird Owens' RV-6. He was kind enough to post some
photos of it here:
http://www.rvproject.com/trutrak.html
Also on that page is Tom Prokop's under-seat aileron servo installation.
Some photos of my bellcrank-mounted aileron servo on my RV-7, which I assume
will be the least useful to you on an RV-4, are here:
http://www.rvproject.com/20041011.html
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Off topic - Control Vision web site |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
They said their forums won't be back online until next year! I imagine they are
deciding whether or not to even continue the forums. Probably some admin is
getting slapped silly as well.
do not archive
Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Scott VanArtsdalen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen
>
>Ah, the worm that took down Control Vision finally has a name:
>perl.santy. It targets UNIX systems that run PHPBBS. Looks like it hit
>them hard they are still down..
>
>
The vulnerability that allowed that to happen in PHPBBS has been known
for a while now, and the fix has also been available for a while. The
admins for those sites should have upgraded already.
Chris W
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When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Q: Fluting seat ribs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Andrew;
I think you have the answer yourself. Flute the seat rib so the bottom
flange is straight and the two straight segments on the top are straight
individually, then stop there. The gap in between has little to no stiffness
and can be left to flop around.
When installing the seat ribs in the fuselage, the bottom skins will take
care of keeping the bottom flange straight. Later on, the seat pans will
keep the top edges straight and in alignment. A fair bit of wobble is normal
until the set pans go in.
Welcome to the RV-list and happy building!
Jim Oke
Wpg, MB
RV-6A C-GKGZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Douglas" <adouglas@optonline.net>
Subject: RV-List: Newbie Q: Fluting seat ribs
> --> RV-List message posted by: Andrew Douglas <adouglas@optonline.net>
>
> FNG here...please be patient with what is probably a dumb question. I did
> check the list archives, but did not find anything that addresses this.
>
> I've just recently gotten involved in a half-built RV-7A project, so I'm
> still learning the absolute basics. The builder is away for the holidays
> and
> gave me some homework to do while he's away.
>
> Said homework is deburring and fluting the seat ribs.
>
> Now, I understand the whys and wherefores of fluting and flange
> straightening, but naturally the reality doesn't *quite* match what I've
> been reading.
>
> Here's the quandary: The center seat ribs (F-715??) have gaps in the upper
> surface flanges where they angle up (the thigh support section). So there
> are two straight bits of flange on the top of the ribs, whereas the lower
> flange is continuous.
>
> I can flute the rib so that the long lower flange is straight, and so that
> the two short upper flanges are straight...but that break in the upper
> flange lets the whole rib bow along the upper surface, with the high point
> right at the break.
>
> I don't see any way to make it lie totally flat, since the upper flange is
> not continuous...further fluting of the two short upper flanges makes them
> bow, but does nothing to straighten the rib overall.
>
> I hesitate to muck about with this any further for fear that I might be
> work-hardening the flutes I've put in, taken out and further manipulated
> in
> my unsuccessful attempts to make the whole thing lie flat.
>
> In addition, the entire thing is twisted a fair bit. How the heck do you
> deal with that?
>
> It doesn't take much force to make it lie flat.
>
> I suspect that this is not a big deal and I should just not worry about
> it...things should line up fine once the seat pan is put in place.
>
> Am I correct?
>
> Thanks....
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Andrew Douglas
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To Quick Build or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
On Wed Dec 22 12:07:28 2004, Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote :
>Dwight,
>[ ... snip ... ]
>Now get back to work on that wing. No more excuses.
>
>Seriously, I hope this helps someone.
Actually, this sounds quite interesting. I don't think I'm going to give
up on my helper ... as this has been a temporary delay in finishing up
the wings ... and as she (my wife) helps me more and more she also gets
a sense of pride and ownership in the project. To top it off she LIKES
working on the plane quite a bit. NOT a bad thing. :) It also doesn'thurt
that she is great to work with on the project.
That being said, I know I talk to people who don't have ready help and
worry about how much that will slow them down. Folks who have come up
with creative solutions like yours really help out builders in that
situation.
Oh ... and I am not letting the lingering wing riveting stop me. I moved
right on to the fuse, and we'll likely catch the rest of the wing at some
convenient time in the near future. :)
-- Dwight
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
If I might put in a shameless plug...
_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XP-360Forum/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XP-360Forum/)
Jerry Cochran
Yes, signing up for Yahoo is free. Once you join, I suggest you sign up
for the Lycoming group on Yahoo. Mahlon Russell of Mattituck Aviation, Don
Rivera of Airflow Performance and another FI guru (forgot his name) all are
members of that group. Great resource for Lycoming and Lycoming clone
engines. Someone recently also started a Superior XP 360 group on Yahoo..
The BINFORD 9000 weighs 3 pounds, so holding it on the manufactured head
is NOT a problem. You were using the 1/8" universal rivet set, wheren't
you???
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator temperature monitor was Apples to |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Just a though, some builders may consider temperature sensitive indicating labels.
Although, not as nice as thermo-couple/cockpit monitoring for detailed info,
it could also be useful.
Indicating labels, temp sensitive tape is available many temp ranges and could
be placed in several locations to keep track of temps for flight test. Placing
them in several locations you could monitor temps under the cowl of accessories
like the alternator and any other item you want.You could check to see how
hot you Carb heat is, cowl, oil cooler or Battery.
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