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1. 02:20 AM - Re: ACS 2002 analog module installation RV-8 (John Ciolino)
2. 05:25 AM - Re: ACS 2002 analog module installation RV-8 (John Myers)
3. 05:36 AM - Fuel Pump / Primer Switch (Maureen & Bob Christensen)
4. 06:08 AM - Re: ACS 2002 analog module installation RV-8 (PSILeD@aol.com)
5. 06:56 AM - Re: Fuel Pump / Primer Switch (linn walters)
6. 07:00 AM - Re: Fuel Pump / Primer Switch (Bobby Hester)
7. 07:15 AM - Re: Fuel Pump / Primer Switch (linn walters)
8. 07:22 AM - Re: Fuel Pump / Primer Switch (linn walters)
9. 08:02 AM - Re: Fuel Pump / Primer Switch (Bobby Hester)
10. 08:14 AM - Price Increase - Can I sneek in? (William Couvillon)
11. 08:27 AM - Re: Dan's New NTSB program (Mark Grieve)
12. 08:27 AM - Re: Fuel Pump / Primer Switch (Greg Puckett)
13. 09:02 AM - Re: Price Increase - Can I sneek in? (Randy Lervold)
14. 09:15 AM - Re: Price Increase - Can I sneek in? (Ken Simmons)
15. 09:19 AM - Re: Price Increase - Can I sneek in? (William King)
16. 09:43 AM - Re: Trutrack autopilots (Ed Bundy)
17. 10:11 AM - Price Increase - Can I sneek in? (William Couvillon)
18. 10:29 AM - Re: Trutrack autopilots (Chuck Jensen)
19. 04:49 PM - Ice formation in auto fuel in flight (Tim Lewis)
20. 05:47 PM - ACS 2002 analog module Cable and Support (RobHickman@aol.com)
21. 06:00 PM - Re: Price Increase - Can I sneek in? (Douglas A. Fischer)
22. 06:43 PM - Re: Ice formation in auto fuel in flight (cgalley)
23. 08:28 PM - Re: ACS 2002 analog module Cable and Support (Tailgummer@aol.com)
24. 08:35 PM - Re: Ice formation in auto fuel in flight (Don Diehl)
25. 10:17 PM - Teflon Hose (Charlie Brame)
26. 11:40 PM - Re: Price Increase - Can I sneek in? (Paul Rice)
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| Subject: | Re: ACS 2002 analog module installation RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Ciolino" <jbc2000@earthlink.net>
It will fit between the two cross braces if you rivet a couple of small
brackets on each brace. I mounted mine right behind the display nodule. ACS
has a ribbon cable they can send/exchanging for that thick cable. Makes
connecting the two a lot easier.
John Ciolino
RV-8 wiring (forever)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RV-List: ACS 2002 analog module installation RV-8
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
> I am having a helluva time finding a good installation location for this
> thing. Initially I planned on putting it to the bottom of the fwd
> baggage floor right above the rudder pedals. That was until I saw this
> monster data cable that plugs in to stick down a couple of inches right
> into the pedals.
>
>
> So who of you put it where on the 8?
>
> Mike
>
> S8
>
> Bench flew the GRT/MX20/430, 330 and ACS last night in the dard. KWEL
> KWEL KWEL stuff.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | ACS 2002 analog module installation RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Myers <jmyers@powernet.org>
Mike, thanks for your note. It probably saved me the same problem.
Ken at ACS was shipping my unit today and I would have had the same
problem. He will be shipping the shorter cable to me as well.
I am mounting about 8 inches from the display unit so the shorter cable
will work.
Just wanted you to know that your post helped someone today.
Thanks,
John
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At 10:28 AM 12/23/2004, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>Ok Im replying to myself.
>I spoke with ACS this morning(they read the list) and they are gonna
>swap out this monster cable for a ribbon cable that will sit flat and
>head away from the heat sink.
>
>This is a perfect solution and it means that the analog module can
>really be low profile and install in a much smaller space.
>
>I told em to forget that monster cable on any installation and go
>ribbon. The weight alone scared me.
>
>Mike
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| Subject: | Fuel Pump / Primer Switch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and primer
solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: ACS 2002 analog module installation RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: PSILeD@aol.com
Mike,
I met you at Falcon Field when the Falcon RV Squadron had their opening day.
In my business we make all kinds of ribbon and other types of cables. Would
be happy to make one for you to try out, there is even a round cable with a
fanout for ribbon type cable connectors.
If you would like one to look at, send me the length and type of connectors
on each end and I will build one for you.
Paul LeDoux
RV-8 Slooooow QB
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump / Primer Switch |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Maureen & Bob Christensen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
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>I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and primer
>solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
>
>Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
>
>Thanks,
>Bob
>
That one would be a special switch, I think. If you used an
on-off-momentary, that's a standard switch and you'd have a single pole
double pole momentary. Push the switch down for the fuel pump, and up
for the primer. Look at the switches at Digikey ...
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=8420&Site=US&Cat=32834384
The only problem is that they don't have pictures. I hate that!
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump / Primer Switch |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Maureen & Bob Christensen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
>
>I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and primer
>solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
>
>Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
>
>Thanks,
>Bob
>
>
I have one on my plane, not flying yet :-(
Go here:
http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?11X358218#s700-2-3
I think the one you need is this one: S700-2-51 DPDT (ON) - ON - OFF
Switch
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Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump / Primer Switch |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Sorry guys .... brain fart. That would be a single pole double THROW
momentary! Should check my stuff before hitting Send!!!
Linn
do not archive .... (now you know why! :-D )
linn walters wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
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>Maureen & Bob Christensen wrote:
>
>
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>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
>>
>>I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and primer
>>solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
>>
>>Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Bob
>>
>>
>>
>That one would be a special switch, I think. If you used an
>on-off-momentary, that's a standard switch and you'd have a single pole
>double pole momentary. Push the switch down for the fuel pump, and up
>for the primer. Look at the switches at Digikey ...
>http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=8420&Site=US&Cat=32834384
>
>The only problem is that they don't have pictures. I hate that!
>Linn
>do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump / Primer Switch |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Great link and great choice! I should have known Aeroelectric would
have one!!! (I found the S700-2-50 though.
Linn
do not archive.
Bobby Hester wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
>Maureen & Bob Christensen wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
>>
>>I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and primer
>>solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
>>
>>Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>I have one on my plane, not flying yet :-(
>
>Go here:
>http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?11X358218#s700-2-3
>
>I think the one you need is this one: S700-2-51 DPDT (ON) - ON - OFF
>Switch
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump / Primer Switch |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
linn walters wrote:
> <>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Great link and great choice! I should have known Aeroelectric would
> have one!!! (I found the S700-2-50 though.
> Linn
> do not archive.
>
Yea, I was not sure which one I have, it could very well be S700-2-50
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Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
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| Subject: | Price Increase - Can I sneek in? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
I knew that Van was going to jack up the prices on 01/01/05, but was unaware of
just how much...nearly $500 for my much needed wings! I was going to place my
order before the first of the year to avoid this extra cost, but in reviewing
the order form, it says "prices are those in effect at time of shipment" and
Van's is closed until the 27th for my question. Does this mean that I can't
sneek in under the wire because it will be well into January or Feb before they
ship my wings? Has anyone else gone through this and has Van's been good about
honoring the price at the time of order?
Will #91056
http://home.comcast.net/~wcouv/
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| Subject: | Re: Dan's New NTSB program |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
on localhost
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
>I would question their fuel consumption too, although I suppose 11.5 gph is possible.
I'm wondering about this as well. Is this a reasonable fuel burn for this engine?
Sounds a little thirsty to me. The 11.5 GPH into 26.7 gives 2 hours and 20
minutes. According to the report, he called his wife at 1400 about and the accident
happened at 1625. That's 2 hours 25 minutes and the investigator reported
dry tanks. More questions than answers.
MG
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump / Primer Switch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Puckett" <rv8er@myawai.com>
Bob,
If you want to go with the sealed mil-spec version from Honeywell, take
a look at:
http://www.alliedelec.com/catalog/pf.asp?Catalog=Previous
<http://www.alliedelec.com/catalog/pf.asp?Catalog=Previous&FN=675.pdf>
&FN=675.pdf
I used the 2TL1-50 (MS27407-5) for a three position (start disable,
start enable, start-mom). I can then either use the start-mom on the
panel switch or the momentary switch on the stick grip once the panel
switch is in the 'start enable' pos. Your application sounds identical.
There are many variations of switch circuitries, locking mechanisms,. to
choose from on the Honeywell switches. They are all explained at
http://content.honeywell.com/sensing/prodinfo/environment/catalog/379.pd
f
The sealed Honeywell versions are a bit pricey but I personally think
they are worth it. The 2TL1-50 is about $28 from Allied.
Greg Puckett
Elizabeth CO
You wrote:
I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and
primer
solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase - Can I sneek in? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> I knew that Van was going to jack up the prices on 01/01/05, but was
unaware of just how much...nearly $500 for my much needed wings! I was
going to place my order before the first of the year to avoid this extra
cost, but in reviewing the order form, it says "prices are those in effect
at time of shipment" and Van's is closed until the 27th for my question.
Does this mean that I can't sneek in under the wire because it will be well
into January or Feb before they ship my wings? Has anyone else gone through
this and has Van's been good about honoring the price at the time of order?
>
> Will #91056
> http://home.comcast.net/~wcouv/
Can't say for sure but I believe if you prepay the order in full then you
get the old price. Many companies handle such increases this way.
Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase - Can I sneek in? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
I believe they make an exception at the end of the year. That's why they advertise
the price increase. Take a look at this link:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/2005_price_increase.pdf
That should answer your question.
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
>
>I knew that Van was going to jack up the prices on 01/01/05, but was unaware of
just how much...nearly $500 for my much needed wings! I was going to place
my order before the first of the year to avoid this extra cost, but in reviewing
the order form, it says "prices are those in effect at time of shipment" and
Van's is closed until the 27th for my question. Does this mean that I can't
sneek in under the wire because it will be well into January or Feb before they
ship my wings? Has anyone else gone through this and has Van's been good about
honoring the price at the time of order?
>
>Will #91056
>http://home.comcast.net/~wcouv/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase - Can I sneek in? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William King" <bill@kane-king.com>
Will
I believe that for the end of the year, Van's will allow you to sneek in.
You have to order by the 27th (Monday) and you have to pay in full. I read
somewhere that they will wave the "price in effect at time of shipment"
thing for the end-of-year.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Bill King
www.kane-king.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Price Increase - Can I sneek in?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
>
> I knew that Van was going to jack up the prices on 01/01/05, but was
> unaware of just how much...nearly $500 for my much needed wings! I was
> going to place my order before the first of the year to avoid this extra
> cost, but in reviewing the order form, it says "prices are those in effect
> at time of shipment" and Van's is closed until the 27th for my question.
> Does this mean that I can't sneek in under the wire because it will be
> well into January or Feb before they ship my wings? Has anyone else gone
> through this and has Van's been good about honoring the price at the time
> of order?
>
> Will #91056
> http://home.comcast.net/~wcouv/
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Trutrack autopilots |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Bundy" <edbundy@velocitus.net>
I used Sam's installation info when I installed my Altrak recently, and it
was indeed very helpful. Thanks Sam!
I just wanted to post a follow-up to the problem I had with my installation.
I ordered mine a few weeks before Thanksgiving because I had a 2000nm trip
planned for that week. I had been vacillating on buying an Altrak because I
really wanted one, but didn't really want to part with so many $$. However,
with this trip looming, I bit the bullet and ordered.
Shipping was very quick, and I went to work on it the next week. Utilizing
Sam's photos and the enclosed schematic (which is not as scary after you
spend some time with it) I had the install completed in about 10 hours. My
tips to other -6 drivers: build the harness on the workbench, remove the
(sliding) canopy, and take out the seats. Bring every tool you can think of
into the baggage compartment with you, and even then you'll go in and out of
the airplane about 331 times...
After finishing up, I tested the unit on the ground and it seemed to respond
well. I then spent another hour of so screwing in the bazillion baggage
area fasteners, installing canopy, seats, etc.
Started up, turned on Altrak, nothing. The unit would not power up at all.
Went flying, tried several times, nothing.
Came back down, went home, had to wait several days to get back to it. Took
airplane apart again (#2) and tested every wire for proper terminations,
shorts, power and ground to unit, etc, and everything was fine. Removed
programmer and servo, and put airplane back together (again) so I could fly.
Next day, I called Trutrak. They were VERY nice, and the tech asked me to
send the unit back for testing. I asked him if he could just send me
another unit, because I was leaving in 8 days for my trip. He wanted to see
the unit to verify it wasn't an installation error so that I wouldn't end up
blowing another one up (understandable, although I had spent sufficient
hours verifying that for myself). He said I could send it 2nd day, they
would turn it in 24 hours and send it back 2nd day. Excellent customer
service. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine how much
it cost me to send a 4# package across the country blue label with $1700 of
excess insurance...
5 days later I have a new programmer. I call the tech to ask what happened,
and he said the programmer was bad, but nothing was burned or in any way
suggested an installation error. Must just be a fluke thing.
So, back to the airport, take airplane apart again (#3), reinstall Altrak,
turn unit on expecting smoke, fire, or explosion - and, everything seems to
be working fine. Whew! Put airplane back together AGAIN, turn unit on
during warm up, everything is go.
Takeoff, climb, turn unit on, it works! It's holding an altitude perfectly,
but the nose is pitching up/down a few degrees in an 8 second phugoid (sp?).
I wait a few minutes to see if it will "settle down" but it does not, and
it's making me queasy. I try turning the unit on/off a few times and it
doesn't change.
We leave tomorrow, so I spend several hours taking the airplane apart AGAIN
(#4) to try wiring in the slower sensitivity ground wire to a switch that I
install on the baggage wall so I can try both speeds without having to take
the baggage wall off AGAIN.... Put airplane back together again.
Take the airplane up, and none of the servo speeds is any better, it just
speeds up or slows down the phugoid. At this point, I'm exhausted, and I
still need to get ready for our trip.
Land, go home, Email RV list for advice. Thanks for everyone that posted on
and off list, consensus was that something is wrong. I had a couple of
people off list tell me that it happens sometimes when the pitch is severely
out of trim, but I had checked that. Even tried slight up and down out of
trim to see if that helped, but no joy.
We leave on the trip, and after trying several times to use the Altrak, we
give up because it's literally making us sick. So we fly 2000+nm with an
altitude hold that I've spent countless hours and $$ on, that I can't use.
Very frustrating.
Come home, call Altrak, at this point unsure if I even want to mess with
this or just ask for a refund, and again tech support is very concerned and
it's obvious that they want to get this problem fixed. After describing the
problem, and everything I tried, they determine it's either the stepper
motor in the servo, or another programmer problem. They figure the
programmer is most likely, and offer to send a new one that day.
I receive the new unit, and, everyone: Take the airplane apart AGAIN (#5),
reinstall the programmer, put the airplane back together, and go fly. And,
it works! Perfectly! It's somewhat anticlimactic at this point, but I'm
sure I'll really enjoy it on the next trip.
I really didn't mean to post a novel, but I wanted to put this out there in
case anyone has a similar problem. The people at Trutrak were great, and
went out of their way to help in what obviously was a rare problem. It does
seem to me however, that maybe their QC needs to be fixed if they can send
TWO defective programmers out to the same customer. I'm also glad the
airplane was flying, and I didn't have to find out about the problem months
or years down the road.
I really like the unit, but can't help being a little spooked about possible
reliability problems in light of what I've been through. Also, now that I'm
finished, I need to take the baggage screws out again so I can replace them
all with non-stripped ones.
Ed Bundy - RV6A 600+ hours
Eagle, Idaho
> Bruce Bell wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > Merry Christmas to all!
> > Any RV4 builders who installed a Altrak and Digitrak have any photos to
> > share with me. My wife just bought these for my Christmas present!
> > Installation info sort of lacking for my tastes. One look is worth a
> > thousand cross checks!
> > Happy Holidays to all!
>
>
> Sounds like you have been a very good boy! AlTrak installation in an
> RV-6 (should be very similar to RV-4) here:
>
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/altrak.htm
>
> You will get spoiled to the AlTrak in about...oh.....two minutes!
>
> Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Price Increase - Can I sneek in? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
Thanks for the responses....answers my question!
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| Subject: | Trutrack autopilots |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck Jensen <cjensen@dts9000.com>
I share your thoughts on the TruTrak QC needing to be tightened up a little.
My first Digiflight IIVSG seemed pretty erratic. While it would hold
altitude dead-on, it would occasionally hold course and follow GPSS, but
then, without reason, decide to follow its own flight plan. Huh? On the
ground, the heading indicator was also erratic from time to time. TruTrak
was very responsive and sent me a unit that crossed in the mail with the one
I was returning (impending trip and all). They said they'd had a production
problem with some improperly installed gyros from a sub-vendor.
I installed the new unit and had perfect hdg/GPSS tracking, but now, like
Ed, I also have a altitude phugoid--subtle but surprisingly effective at
causing queasiness. I was going to try changing the vertical activity
setting but if that doesn't work, maybe I'm victim of a similar programmer
problem.
Great product, reasonable prices....but maybe needs one more turn on the QC
nut.
Chuck
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ed Bundy
Subject: RE: RV-List: Trutrack autopilots
Ed wrote:
I really like the unit, but can't help being a little spooked about possible
reliability problems in light of what I've been through. Also, now that I'm
finished, I need to take the baggage screws out again so I can replace them
all with non-stripped ones.
Ed Bundy - RV6A 600+ hours
Eagle, Idaho
> Bruce Bell wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > Merry Christmas to all!
> > Any RV4 builders who installed a Altrak and Digitrak have any photos to
> > share with me. My wife just bought these for my Christmas present!
> > Installation info sort of lacking for my tastes. One look is worth a
> > thousand cross checks!
> > Happy Holidays to all!
>
>
> Sounds like you have been a very good boy! AlTrak installation in an
> RV-6 (should be very similar to RV-4) here:
>
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/altrak.htm
>
> You will get spoiled to the AlTrak in about...oh.....two minutes!
>
> Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Ice formation in auto fuel in flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Lewis " <Tim_Lewis@msm.umr.edu>
For several years I've used auto gas in the right tank of my RV-6A, reserving the
left
tank for avgas only.
Several years ago, while flying in the winter at altitude (well below freezing)
my RV-
6's engine lost power. I switched tanks to my pure avgas tank, and power returned.
As best I could tell, water in the auto gas had come out of solution at the reduced
temperature of this flight, turned to ice/slush, and clogged the fuel system (fuel
pickup finger strainer, perhaps). I landed, drained a good deal of gas from the
right
tank by removing the tank's drain, added avgas to the tank, and proceeded without
incident. I thought the problem was the crummy (7-11) gas I was using, that often
contained water (found when sumping tanks). I switched to a better brand of auto
gas (BP), and have had no further problems until today.
Today I left Virginia with one tank of (mostly) auto gas and one tank of pure avgas.
I
burned the right (autogas) tank down to 1/4 tank or less, landed in Indiana, and
refilled both tanks with avgas.
After about an hour of flight on the right tank (the tank that had a small amount
of
auto gas mixed with 3/4 tank of avgas) the engine lost power. I switched to the
other
(avgas only) tank, and power returned. Switching back and forth confirmed that
the
right tank was blocked... fuel flow would immediately drop when the right tank
was
selected.
I landed, removed the tank drain, drained out a couple of cups of gas, fueled the
plane with avgas, and continued the flight (takeoff used the avgas-only tank, of
course). After perhaps 1/2 hour of full power flight on the right tank, fuel flow
from
the right tank stopped again. I was able to complete the flight on the left (avgas
only)
tank.
I'm puzzled. The flight to Indiana (no fuel problems) saw temps of about 17(F).
I
saw temps of about 10(F) on the second leg... not a lot colder, and the tank had
less
than 1/4 tank of auto gas at the beginning of the second leg, so why did the problem
occur then, and recur after I'd drained the tank?
Has anyone else had a similar experience? Any ideas on a solution? I'm very
hesitant to use an automotive "dry gas" product. I've heard warnings against using
these (mostly alcohol) products with aircraft.
Thanks,
Tim Lewis
RV-6A N47TD, 707 hrs
RV-10 under construction
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| Subject: | ACS 2002 analog module Cable and Support |
--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
>>I assume you mean this: Whichever cable you use it will be unshielded and
>>cause lots of problems with RFI.
We offer 4 different cables.
1. 18" Ribbon
2. 2.5' Shielded Round Cable
3. 5' Shielded Round Cable
4. 15' Shielded Round Cable. Used for Long-EZ and Burkut
None of the cables will "cause lots of problems with RFI" The only RFI
problems that we have had were are on very early units that did not have a filter
on the internal 3" cable that connects the LCD panel to the circuit board.
If anyone ever has a question please contact me. I am usually available 7
days a week 365 days a year. I doubt that anyone has better support than we
do. My cell phone number is always on the company answering machine. Here
are the ways to get help:
1. Email _Rob@Advanced-Flight-Systems.com_
(mailto:Rob@Advanced-Flight-Systems.com)
2. Company Phone: (503) 598-7727
3. Cell Phone: (503) 701-5042 (I always have the cell 24/7)
4. Fly over to my house OR40 , On a nice day there are usually RV's in
the yard and Jennifer might even make lunch.
We have sold hundreds of systems and we have had very few problems, if we
did would I give out my cell phone number?
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems, Inc.
Advanced Engine Monitoring - Advanced AOA Systems
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase - Can I sneek in? |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
on mail2.iserv.net
--> RV-List message posted by: "Douglas A. Fischer" <dfischer@iserv.net>
This is the exact situation I was in last year when I ordered my wings. I
sent the form with the "yes" circled in the "Authorization to Use Credit
Card for Final Payment" line. It locked the price and they didn't final
bill until the kit shipped (the kit arrived in February).
Doug Fischer
90706 Wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Price Increase - Can I sneek in?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
>
> I knew that Van was going to jack up the prices on 01/01/05, but was
unaware of just how much...nearly $500 for my much needed wings! I was
going to place my order before the first of the year to avoid this extra
cost, but in reviewing the order form, it says "prices are those in effect
at time of shipment" and Van's is closed until the 27th for my question.
Does this mean that I can't sneek in under the wire because it will be well
into January or Feb before they ship my wings? Has anyone else gone through
this and has Van's been good about honoring the price at the time of order?
>
> Will #91056
> http://home.comcast.net/~wcouv/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ice formation in auto fuel in flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I will make a WAG. The fuel lines from the right tank and left tank are
different. The difference that matters is there is a low spot in the right
line when water collects when you are in flight. Water freezes and engine
stops. Down on the ground it is warmer, ice or slush melts and you are able
to drain.
Here is another WAG if the first isn't the answer. There might be some
debris in the right line like a piece of Teflon tape that plugs the line.
Hopefully you haven't used Teflon tape in your oil, vacuum, or gas lines.
> Teflon tape is a great product for water pipe and air compressor
> fittings. It makes the tightening and sealing of pipe fittings easy as
> it reduces the necessary torque to make the seal. The tape is unaffected
> by most chemicals and will not dissolve in water, gasoline or fuel oil.
>
> So what's not to like? The fact that it doesn't dissolve is the real
> problem. Any particle of tape that gets into the system can and will
> plug small openings. If the tape is applied correctly so that the first
> thread is not covered, then a piece of tape will not shear off and get
> into the system THIS time. Many people have done this without a problem.
>
> BUT if the fitting using the tape is ever removed and re-installed, the
> tape shards from the first use are in the fitting threads. It is easy
> to clean the male fitting as you can see when you have it all removed.
> It is almost impossible to remove the tape remains from the female
> internal threads. Any pieces that are missed get forced into your system
> when the fitting re-assembled. They will be circulated thru the system
> whether it is fuel, oil, air or vacuum until these pieces get to a small
> opening, like a carb jet. It will plug it up. The engine will stop, or
> not get proper lubrication.
>
> I understand that a small piece of tape will cause the malfunction and
> destruction of a vacuum pump. Every replacement pump comes with a
> warning that the warrantee is void if you use Teflon tape or any other
> sealer.
>
> Loctite makes a great product PST that is a pipe dope that seals and
> then sets so that the proper rotation of fitting like an elbow is
> maintained. It has powdered Teflon so a fitting can be easily tightened.
> The setting is due to a "crazy" type glue. Most fittings can also
> be sealed with simple cheap pipe dope that also uses powdered Teflon.
So if you are a "tape user" start checking out the lines. The big problem
is listed above that if you remove a fitting, the threads need to be very
carefully cleaned to avoid pushing the little tape pieces back in the system
that you are cleaning.
Cy Galley - Chair,
AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Lewis " <Tim_Lewis@msm.umr.edu>
Subject: RV-List: Ice formation in auto fuel in flight
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Lewis " <Tim_Lewis@msm.umr.edu>
>
> For several years I've used auto gas in the right tank of my RV-6A,
reserving the left
> tank for avgas only.
>
> Several years ago, while flying in the winter at altitude (well below
freezing) my RV-
> 6's engine lost power. I switched tanks to my pure avgas tank, and power
returned.
> As best I could tell, water in the auto gas had come out of solution at
the reduced
> temperature of this flight, turned to ice/slush, and clogged the fuel
system (fuel
> pickup finger strainer, perhaps). I landed, drained a good deal of gas
from the right
> tank by removing the tank's drain, added avgas to the tank, and proceeded
without
> incident. I thought the problem was the crummy (7-11) gas I was using,
that often
> contained water (found when sumping tanks). I switched to a better brand
of auto
> gas (BP), and have had no further problems until today.
>
> Today I left Virginia with one tank of (mostly) auto gas and one tank of
pure avgas. I
> burned the right (autogas) tank down to 1/4 tank or less, landed in
Indiana, and
> refilled both tanks with avgas.
>
> After about an hour of flight on the right tank (the tank that had a small
amount of
> auto gas mixed with 3/4 tank of avgas) the engine lost power. I switched
to the other
> (avgas only) tank, and power returned. Switching back and forth confirmed
that the
> right tank was blocked... fuel flow would immediately drop when the right
tank was
> selected.
>
> I landed, removed the tank drain, drained out a couple of cups of gas,
fueled the
> plane with avgas, and continued the flight (takeoff used the avgas-only
tank, of
> course). After perhaps 1/2 hour of full power flight on the right tank,
fuel flow from
> the right tank stopped again. I was able to complete the flight on the
left (avgas only)
> tank.
>
> I'm puzzled. The flight to Indiana (no fuel problems) saw temps of about
17(F). I
> saw temps of about 10(F) on the second leg... not a lot colder, and the
tank had less
> than 1/4 tank of auto gas at the beginning of the second leg, so why did
the problem
> occur then, and recur after I'd drained the tank?
>
> Has anyone else had a similar experience? Any ideas on a solution? I'm
very
> hesitant to use an automotive "dry gas" product. I've heard warnings
against using
> these (mostly alcohol) products with aircraft.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Lewis
> RV-6A N47TD, 707 hrs
> RV-10 under construction
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ACS 2002 analog module Cable and Support |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tailgummer@aol.com
Rob, your product is outstanding and your tech support is stellar.
Thanks!!!!!
John D'onofrio
(_Tailgummer@aol.com_ (mailto:Tailgummer@aol.com) )
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| Subject: | Re: Ice formation in auto fuel in flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Don Diehl <diehldon@comcast.net>
Water and gasoline require alcohol to form a solution.
Given enough water and low enough temperature the water will come out
of solution and freeze,
causing the problem you describe.
Gasoline cut with alcohol should be labeled as such but requirements
and enforcement are uncertain.
Arco and BP are "gasohol" blends here in Washington so are avoided for
aviation fuel.
Don Diehl
Bremerton WA
More than 2,500 happy hours of C-170, C-195 and RV-4 on auto gas.
On Dec 24, 2004, at 16:45, Tim Lewis wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Lewis " <Tim_Lewis@msm.umr.edu>
>
> For several years I've used auto gas in the right tank of my RV-6A,
> reserving the left
> tank for avgas only.
>
> Several years ago, while flying in the winter at altitude (well below
> freezing) my RV-
> 6's engine lost power. I switched tanks to my pure avgas tank, and
> power returned.
> As best I could tell, water in the auto gas had come out of solution
> at the reduced
> temperature of this flight, turned to ice/slush, and clogged the fuel
> system (fuel
> pickup finger strainer, perhaps).
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Brame <chasb@satx.rr.com>
Try Earl's Indy at: 1-800-331-4639.
This outfit is in Indianapolis. They have been very helpful to me and
quick to produce whatever I have asked for.
Address is: 302 Gasoline Alley, Indianapolis, IN 46222. Email:
www.earlsindy.com
Local phone: 317/241-0318 fax: 317/247-1128
Charlie Brame
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
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> Time: 03:32:37 PM PST US
> From: sarg314
> Subject: RV-List: teflon hose
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314
>
> I like the idea of using teflon braided steel hose for my oil and fuel
> lines. An RV-6A builder I know used Earl's Performance Products
> speed-flex hoses. Looks like pretty good stuff and the fittings and
> hose are cheaper than the Aeroquip Teflon hoses that Aircraft Spruce
> carries.
>
> My problem is the local retail speed shops don't seem to carry Earl's
> in a -6 size and a few of the big mail order outfits I contacted rae
> back ordered.
>
> Can any one suggest a source for this product, or perhaps suggest
> different brand of teflon hose that's good but easier to get?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A, firewall
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase - Can I sneek in? |
Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:04:05 -0500
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
Hey Will,
Go ahead an order the wings, you just have to pay for them in full before
the 31st of DEC. I have to call them on the 27th to finish paying for my QB
RV-8. They told me that things would be going up 1 to 3 percent on Jan. 1.
Max out the credit card and save the money for something on the panel
Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays,
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Price Increase - Can I sneek in?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
>
> I knew that Van was going to jack up the prices on 01/01/05, but was
> unaware of just how much...nearly $500 for my much needed wings! I was
> going to place my order before the first of the year to avoid this extra
> cost, but in reviewing the order form, it says "prices are those in effect
> at time of shipment" and Van's is closed until the 27th for my question.
> Does this mean that I can't sneek in under the wire because it will be
> well into January or Feb before they ship my wings? Has anyone else gone
> through this and has Van's been good about honoring the price at the time
> of order?
>
> Will #91056
> http://home.comcast.net/~wcouv/
>
>
>
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