---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/28/04: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:16 AM - 430 power (frank goggio) 2. 05:05 AM - Nutplate question (Charlie Kuss) 3. 05:25 AM - Re: 430 power (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 4. 05:50 AM - Re: Nutplate question (Ralph E. Capen) 5. 06:40 AM - Re: 430 power (Alex Peterson) 6. 06:46 AM - Re: 430 power (Alex Peterson) 7. 07:13 AM - Re: 430 power (John D. Heath) 8. 07:20 AM - RV9A empennage for sale (SGordonGWH@aol.com) 9. 08:33 AM - Re: 430 power (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 10. 08:43 AM - Re: RV9A empennage for sale (Chuck Weyant) 11. 09:01 AM - Mexico (Dan Checkoway) 12. 09:01 AM - Re: Radio/Intercom interference with engine issue (Charles Heathco) 13. 09:05 AM - Re: RV6A max demonstrated X-wind (Doug Rozendaal) 14. 09:10 AM - Re: RV6A max demonstrated X-wind (BELTEDAIR@aol.com) 15. 09:24 AM - Re: RV6A max demonstrated X-wind (Charles Heathco) 16. 09:31 AM - Re: RV9A empennage for sale (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 17. 09:34 AM - Re: RV9A empennage for sale (Charles Heathco) 18. 09:58 AM - Re:special FWF nuts (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 19. 10:05 AM - Re: RV6A max demonstrated X-wind (Denis Walsh) 20. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: [VAF Mailing List] special FWF nuts? (lm4@juno.com) 21. 11:00 AM - Re: Re:special FWF nuts (Gert) 22. 11:26 AM - Re: [VAF Mailing List] Mexico (Wayne Sweet) 23. 02:52 PM - Fuselage Stands (Valovich, Paul) 24. 03:39 PM - Cross wind landings, etc (Kosta Lewis) 25. 03:59 PM - Re: Fuselage Stands (Charlie Kuss) 26. 04:51 PM - CO Detector (Larry Bowen) 27. 05:10 PM - Re: CO Detector (Dan Checkoway) 28. 07:44 PM - Re: Fuselage Stands (Paul Besing) 29. 07:45 PM - Blue Mountain Efis Lite Real Price (Bruno) 30. 08:12 PM - Re: CO Detector (Charles Heathco) 31. 08:48 PM - Re: planetools.com () 32. 10:02 PM - Re: Fuselage Stands (Chris W) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:01 AM PST US From: "frank goggio" Subject: RV-List: 430 power --> RV-List message posted by: "frank goggio" guys,trying to finish up some wiring on the 430 gps by garmin,in moving stuff around some of the tags on the wiring has been pulled of,i need to know the pin on the plugs for the power,any one has a install diagram for this or where i can locate one?,checked garmin site, no luck,also what the 430,the garmin inter com and the transponder are fused at, thats not on the site either,any help would be appriciated frank goggio fayetteville nc rv6a fgoggio@nc.rr.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:49 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: RV-List: Nutplate question --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Listers Does anyone make nutplates from a non magnetic material for use on the instrument panel? If so, who and how does the part number differ from standard units? Charlie Kuss ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:35 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: 430 power From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Frank search the archives for Garmin&manual&430&stewart and you can d/l any garmin manual you want. Enjoy. Mike Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of frank goggio Subject: RV-List: 430 power --> RV-List message posted by: "frank goggio" guys,trying to finish up some wiring on the 430 gps by garmin,in moving stuff around some of the tags on the wiring has been pulled of,i need to know the pin on the plugs for the power,any one has a install diagram for this or where i can locate one?,checked garmin site, no luck,also what the 430,the garmin inter com and the transponder are fused at, thats not on the site either,any help would be appriciated frank goggio fayetteville nc rv6a fgoggio@nc.rr.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:12 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Nutplate question --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" I've bought stainless steel nutplates from my local supplier here in Dallas for installing my remote compass sensor driving my HSI. The part number has a 'C' in it IIRC. I've gotten them in all of the usual flavors...... I'll try to remember to dig up the specifics..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Kuss" Subject: RV-List: Nutplate question > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > > Listers > Does anyone make nutplates from a non magnetic material for use on the > instrument panel? If so, who and how does the part number differ from > standard units? > Charlie Kuss > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:16 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: 430 power --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" Frank, It used to be, and perhaps still is, that if you call Garmin avionics technical support, you can request that they email you the install manual for the 430. Several years ago, one could directly download it from Garmin. Lawyers won that one I guess. If you can't get one from Garmin, I'm sure someone on the list can email it to you. Alex Peterson RV6-A 561 hours Maple Grove, MN http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/ > --> RV-List message posted by: "frank goggio" > > guys,trying to finish up some wiring on the 430 gps by > garmin,in moving stuff around some of the tags on the wiring > has been pulled of,i need to know the pin on the plugs for > the power,any one has a install diagram for this or where i > can locate one?,checked garmin site, no luck,also what the > 430,the garmin inter com and the transponder are fused at, > thats not on the site either,any help would be appriciated > frank goggio fayetteville nc rv6a fgoggio@nc.rr.com > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:25 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: 430 power --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" Mike, I looked at your archived email from September 04 and did not find a 430 install manual in the list. Is it listed cryptically? Alex Peterson RV6-A 561 hours Maple Grove, MN http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/ > Frank search the archives for > Garmin&manual&430&stewart and you can d/l any garmin manual you want. > > Enjoy. > Mike > Do not archive > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:58 AM PST US From: "John D. Heath" Subject: Re: RV-List: 430 power --> RV-List message posted by: "John D. Heath" Look here http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/ on the downloads page John D. DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: 430 power > --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > > Mike, I looked at your archived email from September 04 and did not find a > 430 install manual in the list. Is it listed cryptically? > > Alex Peterson > RV6-A 561 hours > Maple Grove, MN > > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/ > > >> Frank search the archives for >> Garmin&manual&430&stewart and you can d/l any garmin manual you want. >> >> Enjoy. >> Mike >> Do not archive >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:09 AM PST US From: SGordonGWH@aol.com Subject: RV-List: RV9A empennage for sale --> RV-List message posted by: SGordonGWH@aol.com After finishing the empennage of a RV9A, I have realized that the finished aircraft cost is going to be too high for me. While the RV9A will always be my dream aircraft, I have decided to go in a different direction and build a Corvair powered Zenith 601XL. So I now have a completed empenagge "For Sale." It is complete including the fiberglass work and has the electric trim option. All interior surfaces were etched, alodined and sprayed with zinc chromate. I have a written log with pictures and a copy of the EAA tech report on the work before I closed the Horizontal Stab. I am in Cincinnati, Ohio. If anyone is interested please contact me at: _sgordongwh@aol.com_ (mailto:sgordongwh@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:11 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: 430 power From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I just d/l some about a month ago. I just tried a few and they are either off-line, having server problems, or something. But fret not. I got em all on cd, at least the ones I could crawl on their server. Someone else already pointed to my website with the 430 install available. Lets keep an eye on the d/l directly and see if Garmin comes back up or what. If they keep it off-line, Ill put up what I have for future reference for everyone. Mike Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alex Peterson Subject: RE: RV-List: 430 power --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" Frank, It used to be, and perhaps still is, that if you call Garmin avionics technical support, you can request that they email you the install manual for the 430. Several years ago, one could directly download it from Garmin. Lawyers won that one I guess. If you can't get one from Garmin, I'm sure someone on the list can email it to you. Alex Peterson RV6-A 561 hours Maple Grove, MN http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/ > --> RV-List message posted by: "frank goggio" > > guys,trying to finish up some wiring on the 430 gps by > garmin,in moving stuff around some of the tags on the wiring > has been pulled of,i need to know the pin on the plugs for > the power,any one has a install diagram for this or where i > can locate one?,checked garmin site, no luck,also what the > 430,the garmin inter com and the transponder are fused at, > thats not on the site either,any help would be appriciated > frank goggio fayetteville nc rv6a fgoggio@nc.rr.com > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:17 AM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV9A empennage for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" I just finished my RV9A and now that I've got 50 hours on it, I wouldn't trade it for anything, especially if it's not Lyc powered. After completion, I had two minor bugs. Got 'em taken care of in short order and just completed my first cross country to Sedona, AZ from Santa Maria, CA. Not one squak!!! I'll wager anything you'll have lots of squaks and headaches with an auto engine. I just put it together like Van said. No modifications (early in the building process Bill Grimm advised me against making modifications --- thanks Bill), few problems, flys great, and better yet I have lots of confidence in my flying machine! Just my two cents worth. Chuck Weyant do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: RV9A empennage for sale > --> RV-List message posted by: SGordonGWH@aol.com > > After finishing the empennage of a RV9A, I have realized that the finished > aircraft cost is going to be too high for me. While the RV9A will always be > my dream aircraft, I have decided to go in a different direction and build a > Corvair powered Zenith 601XL. So I now have a completed empenagge "For Sale." > It is complete including the fiberglass work and has the electric trim > option. All interior surfaces were etched, alodined and sprayed with zinc > chromate. I have a written log with pictures and a copy of the EAA tech report on > the work before I closed the Horizontal Stab. I am in Cincinnati, Ohio. If > anyone is interested please contact me at: _sgordongwh@aol.com_ > (mailto:sgordongwh@aol.com) > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:11 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: Mexico --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Hope this helps: http://www.rvproject.com/2004_mexico_trip_log.html I put together a pretty comprehensive trip report. It goes into the whole process of planning, insurance, etc. I even posted a complete list of fees (fuel was only $2.51/gal) and all costs I encountered. I'm still working on captions for the photos on the trip home, but the basic info is all there. I sweated over lots of details, specifically insurance. In the end the trip was really easy, totally uneventful. Going forward it's gonna be SO much easier -- especially now that BBP is offering Mexican insurance for experimentals. They didn't offer that until literally the afternoon before I left (bastards). I had to dig for insurance elsewhere. Hopefully this trip log will help other people by making the planning process easier. I have every intention of flying back down to several spots in Mexico in 2005. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:47 AM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio/Intercom interference with engine issue --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" Well, I had simular experience, turned out to be the nav side of Kx-125 had crapped out and vol control was up. Took a lot of messing around before I acidentally discovered the problem. May not be your sit tho. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: ; ; Subject: RV-List: Radio/Intercom interference with engine issue > --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com > > I have an interesting issue. I am flying my friends RV-7, this is the > second flight. I had the throttle basically full (breaking in the engine) > and the > radio progressively seemed to get worse (over a 515 minute period) with > static when receiving transmissions from ATC. It got so bad, I could > barely hear > him. He said he had no issues hearing me. I told him I was going to > come > in for a full stop, pulled back the throttle, and could hear fine once > again. > So I called the controller and told him I was going to go around again > and > once I gave it over about 75% power, the radio once again had a bunch of > static (only when receiving transmissions). > > The plane has a PS Engineering PM1000 intercom, Garmin 430 radio, and a > Headsets Inc ANR in a Dave Clark 13.4 headset. It also has a Lightspeed > electronic ignition on the right mag. I did a mag check in the air and > it did not > seem to make a difference. > > I pulled and reseated the headset plugs and that did not fix the issue. > > Does anyone have any ideas what to check? We had no issues on the first > flight. Thanks in advance! > > -Mike Kraus > N223RV RV-4 Flying > N213RV RV-10 Tailcone Complete, working on wings > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:53 AM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6A max demonstrated X-wind --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" There is a difference between "landing an airplane in a crosswind," and "transitioning from flying to taxiing without damaging the equipment." For instance, I have limited experience in the Pitts. I do not believe I have ever landed a Pitts. When I have "transistioned from flying to taxiing" in the Pitts, no one would call it a landing, "crash and recover" would be a more accurate assesment. The RVs are excellent crosswind airplanes, and my limited experience in the trikes would lead me to believe they have no better, maybe poorer crosswind capability than the T/W airplanes. I caution against setting some number because if the wind is "reported" to be less than that, the "it is below my limit so I must land" mentality gets involved. Kevin Horton is right, there are way too many variables. Why put a number on it. The biggest variable is the the pilot, and the pilot is a moving target. Everyone has good days and bad days. The wind may gust, mechanical turbulence from a building. CG issues. The list of variables is long. If you want to put a hard number on it, it has to be for the worst possible scenario, and if you include the pilot, that may be below 10 knots. Having said that, in perfect conditions, it might approach 20 knots. I approach crosswind landings like IFR approaches. Fly the approach procedure and fly the missed approach procedure is the primary objective. If you happen to see the airport and land, great, but if you don't that was the plan. With a crosswind, set up, fly the final, and as long as things are going well keep flying. Be spring-loaded to go-around. The instant things are not working, GO! Using that mentality favors wheel landings, and there is a point where you have to commit to put the tail down, but by then it should be fairly clear if putting the tail down is possible. I have done several one wheel touch and go's in the Twin Beech because I could not get up enough courage to lower the tail. We have a taxi-way at MCW which locals call Rwy 24. Our airport manager uses a "don't ask, don't tell" policy on operations like that. From a flight planning perspective, this is just like IFR. If you are unwilling to fly to the point of intended landing and then fly to an alternate, do not go at all. Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:59 AM PST US From: BELTEDAIR@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6A max demonstrated X-wind --> RV-List message posted by: BELTEDAIR@aol.com Doug, has a good point, and remeber You are the Pilot in Command, when arriving at North Las Vegas if the wind is not down a runway, it will be down the taxi way, which used to be the old 4/22. Ask for the Taxi way, you will be told it's at your own risk, but when is flying not? Other wise they will let you crash as it's happend before and say " well he didn't ask for it" Jess Meyers Las Vegas ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:21 AM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6A max demonstrated X-wind --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" Understand your concerne. By wing down as far as i dared, that was pretty conservative, Im not very daring anymore, :-) touch down at 90 was actually equivilent to about 70 under the conditions. I got my pvt in cherokees in Okl city, 66, comml same in Md, 2375 strip over trees wind often crazy, so I had lots of xwind exp from back then. I didnt fly again for 35 yrs untill a little over a yr ago. For the record, I woulnt have taken off in those cond, but it was either land or else, not wanting to leave the plane someplace and try to get back to the car. charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "GMC" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV6A max demonstrated X-wind > --> RV-List message posted by: GMC > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6A max demonstrated X-wind > > RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" > Had a wild ride coming back into LZU this afternoon. Atis report > 330-16, G-23, landing 25. very turbulent. Had to touch down long at > better > than > 90mp indicated with some crab as coulndnt take it all out with ruder and > stay in neighborhood of middle. Had rt wing down as low as i dared. I > would > venture that gusts were stronger as at about 100-150' plane whipped from > about > a 40d crab to nearly sideways before I could counter it. I have 22 hrs in > Tweety bird now, glad it didn't happen early on. Since we don't have a > max > demonstrated xwind figure as a standard I was wondering what some of > the more experienced 6A drivers had managed or would consider max X-wind > for our planes. Charlie heathco > > ============================== > > Hi Charlie > > Congratulations on making it, the max demonstrated crosswind limit in > certified aircraft must be achievable by an average pilot using normal > piloting techniques and not take an exceptionally talented pilot. > Therefore > I believe that you have indeed not only reached, but considerably exceeded > what would be considered a normal "max demonstrated crosswind limit". > > If I remember correctly all certified aircraft must have the capability of > handling a crosswind up to 20% of their stall speed, about 11 - 12 knots > in > the case of my RV-6A and that limit may be increased to a demonstrated > limit. > > Two items in your post caught my attention and suggested to me that you > were > on very thin ice; > > (1) that you had the wing down as far as "you dared". When I instructed > many > years ago I taught that when lined up on final if the wingtip seems to be > half way down from level to the ground contact position then the crosswind > is beyond limits, (this may not necessarily be true but is a good > indicator > especially if the runway is contaminated). > > (2) that you touched down at "better than 90 mph" would have put you in > great danger of a wheelbarrow type loss of control, with all the weight > supported by nose wheel, wings and tail plane leaves very little weight > and > traction on the main wheels. > (I have seen a DC-6B supported by the nose wheel wings & tail until the > props went into reverse). > > So congratulations again and I suggest you lower your X-wind limits. > > George in Langley BC > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:01 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV9A empennage for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com In a message dated 12/28/04 10:20:56 AM US Eastern Standard Time, SGordonGWH@aol.com writes: After finishing the empennage of a RV9A, I have realized that the finished aircraft cost is going to be too high for me. While the RV9A will always be my dream aircraft, I have decided to go in a different direction and build a Corvair powered Zenith 601XL. Mr. Gordon, Don't be silly! Finish that airplane. It'll take you what , maybe, 2 years? Keep your eyes open for a good used Lycoming. Or stay on the list and go with one of the auto engines that are talked about here. Then fly it and if you don't like it, sell it and make money on it. Just my opinion. I'm sure the Zenith would be a good airplane too if that's the way you go. Dan Hopper RV-7A (Flying since July) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:40 AM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV9A empennage for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" I just emailed you re 601 and it was returned undeliverable. Pls send me an email to reply to cheathco@comcast.net do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: RV9A empennage for sale > --> RV-List message posted by: SGordonGWH@aol.com > > After finishing the empennage of a RV9A, I have realized that the finished > aircraft cost is going to be too high for me. While the RV9A will always > be > my dream aircraft, I have decided to go in a different direction and build > a > Corvair powered Zenith 601XL. So I now have a completed empenagge "For > Sale." > It is complete including the fiberglass work and has the electric trim > option. All interior surfaces were etched, alodined and sprayed with > zinc > chromate. I have a written log with pictures and a copy of the EAA tech > report on > the work before I closed the Horizontal Stab. I am in Cincinnati, Ohio. > If > anyone is interested please contact me at: _sgordongwh@aol.com_ > (mailto:sgordongwh@aol.com) > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:54 AM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re:special FWF nuts --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com What is at issue here, cost? for 3/16 nuts, nylok are .09, all metal .15. Heck, I just like the looks of the metal ones FWF so I spent the extra $2... :) Jerry Cochran In a message dated 12/28/2004 12:03:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Subject: [VAF Mailing List] special FWF nuts? > > > > Are there special nuts I should be using for stuff like on the Adel clamps > FWF? Are the nylon lock nuts taboo FWF? ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:07 AM PST US From: Denis Walsh Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6A max demonstrated X-wind --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh My opinion is the limit for me is around 25K on a dry concrete runway with gusts no more than 10. Limits are most certainly different for each pilot and each gross weight. They are also different for the 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, and 10. Very similar for the 6. I have no claims to expertise in this field. I am not now, nor ever intend to be a CFI. I will modestly claim to be the best crosswind landing RV-6A driver I know. I vividly remember my pre solo check in the SNJ-5 in the spring of 1956. The last item on the check ride was to demonstrate crosswind landing proficiency. If you passed you went to Pace field for your solo. I got to go, but just barely. Cross wind landing in the RV-6A has fascinated me from the first flight. I have gone to great lengths to practice them on every occasion I can manufacture. Yes I have cracked a wheel pant, but not rolled a tire or left the runway. My RV experience is several thousand landings of which about 3 percent are enough of a crosswind to require crosswind procedures. This is about a hundred at most. I cannot tell you how to do a good crosswind landing. I can tell you that you should go out and practice them on every occasion you can. Find an airport with ninety degree runways, and good dry pavement. My three rules are: Don't exceed 70 MPH; kill the drift and sink rate; and touch down on the upwind main first. . I would recommend not lowering the nose until you are sure you are on the ground, both mains, and not skidding/sliding or bouncing. It is at that point that you choose to lower the nose or go around. INDEED it is the gusts that will get you in a light airplane. INDEED it is just as you are decelerating that you are most vulnerable. Truly a maneuver worth practicing. Truly the finest crosswind airplane I have ever flown. Please practice often, you will learn a whole lot. I did. Of course many of you may not need as much practice as I do, but I would offer that I had been flying fifty years before I started in on my 1400 hours of RV-A flying, and I still had a lot of room for improvement. Denis P S If you want to improve your plane's tolerance for crosswind, get an electronic ignition. It made my motor accelerate faster from idle. Do not archive this man's opinions. On Dec 27, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Kevin Horton wrote: >> > Every landing is different, and every crosswind is different. The fact > that the runway was wet was quite possibly a big factor too. I don't > have any real RV experience, but I've got lots of crosswinds experience > on other, larger, aircraft. Landing in a big crosswind is a lot > different on a dry runway than it is on a damp or slippery runway. Not > necessarily harder on a slippery runway, but definitely different, as > the aircraft may slide around, so you have a different set of issues to > deal with. > > So, if you've expanded the crosswind envelope to XX kt on a dry runway, > then don't just assume that you can handle the same crosswind on a wet > runway. You need to start the envelope expansion all over again on the > slippery runway. Night is harder too, due to the poorer visual cues. > And aft CG is different than forward CG. > > Be careful out there, > > Kevin Horton > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] special FWF nuts? From: lm4@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com Lucky, To directly quote Tony B. "Engine room temperatures can easily reach 300 deg. F " HTH Larry Mac Donald Rochester N.Y. do not archive On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:13:41 > --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) > > Pg. 143 says a high temp self locking nut should be use for areas ABOVE 250 degrees F. The nylon > or fiber insert lock nuts are for applications below 250. > So what's the temp of and around the engine mount where I want to > clamp wires to the mount? I'll bet it's below 250 unless there's a > damn fire going on up there. > Lucky ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:16 AM PST US From: Gert Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:special FWF nuts --> RV-List message posted by: Gert hey, don't forget shipping -) do not archive Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > > What is at issue here, cost? for 3/16 nuts, nylok are .09, all metal .15. > Heck, I just like the looks of the metal ones FWF so I spent the extra $2... :) > > Jerry Cochran > > In a message dated 12/28/2004 12:03:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: > > Subject: [VAF Mailing List] special FWF nuts? > >> >> >>Are there special nuts I should be using for stuff like on the Adel clamps > > >>FWF? Are the nylon lock nuts taboo FWF? > > > > > > > -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:22 AM PST US From: "Wayne Sweet" Subject: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Mexico --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" Dan, Thank you for your very thorough report and advice. I (experimental) and several other "store bought" airplane drivers are heading into Baja in March and your summary will be very helpful. Thanks again. Wayne Sweet MustangII N54WS (Opps...shouldn't have admitted to being a lurker) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Checkoway To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com ; vansairforce@yahoogroups.com ; rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:59 AM Subject: [VAF Mailing List] Mexico Hope this helps: http://www.rvproject.com/2004_mexico_trip_log.html I put together a pretty comprehensive trip report. It goes into the whole process of planning, insurance, etc. I even posted a complete list of fees (fuel was only $2.51/gal) and all costs I encountered. I'm still working on captions for the photos on the trip home, but the basic info is all there. I sweated over lots of details, specifically insurance. In the end the trip was really easy, totally uneventful. Going forward it's gonna be SO much easier -- especially now that BBP is offering Mexican insurance for experimentals. They didn't offer that until literally the afternoon before I left (bastards). I had to dig for insurance elsewhere. Hopefully this trip log will help other people by making the planning process easier. I have every intention of flying back down to several spots in Mexico in 2005. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com Online help on this group at: http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups/ ADVERTISEMENT a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vansairforce/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: vansairforce-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 651 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:22 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Fuselage Stands From: "Valovich, Paul" --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul" I'm one of the many who ordered their kits this week to avoid the Jan price increase (Barbara(?) at Vans told me they received 40 quickbuild orders Monday). Now that I'm really committed to the -8A, I've been thinking of the prep needed for the April QB kit delivery. I like the idea of rotating fuselage stands and want to construct them myself. I tried the Search feature and got some ideas - including modification of the $50 engine stands. A couple questions: * Where would I get the engine stands to modify? * Has anyone published plans for a rotating fuselage stand (both using the engine stand or starting from scratch)? Paul Valovich ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:49 PM PST US From: "Kosta Lewis" Subject: RV-List: Cross wind landings, etc --> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" >Remember: You are the Pilot in Command. Ask for the Taxi way, you will be >told it's at your own risk, but when is flying not? I was in Casper WY once in the Cub and wind was 35 gusting to 45. I asked for the ramp, which they said they couldn't approve, and landed AT the tie down, rolling about 5 feet. Someone came out and parked a pickup in front and held on to the lift struts while we fueled. I departed from the same place, with the towers' same disapproval, and, again, rolled about 5 feet. Told the guys holding the struts to let go as soon as the tail came up (immediately) or they were going to Billings with me. We went up like a Bell Jet Ranger. I have also landed on many a taxiway and once on the airport road. Do what you have to do to get on the ground safely. Cross wind landings, as stated, are so variable that there is no set speed of cross wind to call them. I have landed in 20 kts stated in Suzie Q, direct cross wind without upwind buildings complicating things. You just set up in final and if you can correct crab and land on the upwind wheel before you run out of rudder, you probably will do fine. MANY variables, however, can change things. I always wheel land in strong cross winds but know folks that were not even taught wheel landings; they were just demonstrated. Yikes. I have rolled a fair distance on one wheel in both the Cub and -4 before I slowed enough to let the tail down. As Denis says, however: practice, practice, practice. Flying only on nice calm days is fine until you get somewhere that is not nice and calm and the fuel is near "E" and you HAVE to land. Angling across a wide runway is also helpful for both landing and takeoff, by the way, but you should have PRACTICED those first. So is going to another airport with a runway pointing more into the wind. Get to know your airplane; you'll love it. And be a better pilot for it. Practice, etc..... Michael Do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:32 PM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuselage Stands --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Paul, To buy the engine stand cheaply, watch the sale sheets for your local Discount Auto, Advance Auto, Pep Boys Auto, Auto Zone, etc. I've seen them as cheap as $40. Harbor Freight & Northern Tools are two other good sources. Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul" > >I'm one of the many who ordered their kits this week to avoid the Jan >price increase (Barbara(?) at Vans told me they received 40 quickbuild >orders Monday). Now that I'm really committed to the -8A, I've been >thinking of the prep needed for the April QB kit delivery. I like the >idea of rotating fuselage stands and want to construct them myself. I >tried the Search feature and got some ideas - including modification of >the $50 engine stands. A couple questions: > >* Where would I get the engine stands to modify? >* Has anyone published plans for a rotating fuselage stand (both >using the engine stand or starting from scratch)? > > >Paul Valovich > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:15 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RV-List: CO Detector --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Anyone using one of these CO detectors? Recommended? http://www.pilotmall.com/page/1/PROD/101/303 - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:26 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: CO Detector --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" FWIW, in the spirit of do-it-yourself, I bought one of these kits (actually, a group order for SoCal RVators): http://www.electronic-kits-and-projects.com/4055.htm I soldered it up and it passed the "truck tailpipe test" as well as detecting different vapors (i.e. butane, acetone...not relevant but an interesting plus). I haven't installed it in the plane yet, but soon I will mount it over the heat manifold and hook it into the ACS2002 and one of its "user input" circuits. That way it will give me an audio plus and on-screen alert. The sensitivity can be tuned with a simple pot adjustment. Hard to beat the price, customizability, and the DIY factor. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RV-List: CO Detector > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > Anyone using one of these CO detectors? Recommended? > > http://www.pilotmall.com/page/1/PROD/101/303 > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:39 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuselage Stands --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" It's pretty simple. Here is mine. http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing/shop/enginest.htm Paul Besing RV-6A Sold RV-10 Soon http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valovich, Paul" Subject: RV-List: Fuselage Stands > --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul" > > I'm one of the many who ordered their kits this week to avoid the Jan > price increase (Barbara(?) at Vans told me they received 40 quickbuild > orders Monday). Now that I'm really committed to the -8A, I've been > thinking of the prep needed for the April QB kit delivery. I like the > idea of rotating fuselage stands and want to construct them myself. I > tried the Search feature and got some ideas - including modification of > the $50 engine stands. A couple questions: > > * Where would I get the engine stands to modify? > * Has anyone published plans for a rotating fuselage stand (both > using the engine stand or starting from scratch)? > > > Paul Valovich > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:43 PM PST US From: Bruno Subject: RV-List: Blue Mountain Efis Lite Real Price --> RV-List message posted by: Bruno Hello All For anyone considering buying a BMA Efis Lite,you should be aware of the real price which is $3040.00 USD. This include the unit and the " Mandatory Update" of the DataBase for the first 12 months of In-sevice of the unit + "mandatory 3-day shipping because BMA believe the units are banged up too much during ground shipping. It would be nice for BMA to stipulate the real price of the unit on their web site so any potential buyer wouldn't get a nasty surprise when checking their credit card bill. It's not something that would prevent any real buyer from purchasing the unit but it would be nice to know in advance I thick. Bruno Dionne RV-4 C-GDBH Do not archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:27 PM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: Re: RV-List: CO Detector --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" Larry, I have one of these, bought it last winter. Its a little anoying with its constant chirping. Cant turn it off so batty run down will sitting in plane. I tried taking out the batty while not in use, but its a tight fit and a pain, I now have it sitting idle. No way to know if it worked or not. On the Rv, I have enuff outside air comming thru the "closed" ventsto eleiminate any posible hazard. charlie H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RV-List: CO Detector > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > Anyone using one of these CO detectors? Recommended? > > http://www.pilotmall.com/page/1/PROD/101/303 > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:00 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: planetools.com From: "" --> RV-List message posted by: "" ========================================================== Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:12 PM PST US From: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuselage Stands --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Valovich, Paul wrote: >* Where would I get the engine stands to modify? >* Has anyone published plans for a rotating fuselage stand (both >using the engine stand or starting from scratch)? > > > > I liked the idea of the engine stand but I want to be able to do more than you can with the engine stand. I want to have the height adjustable as well as rotate the fuselage. I don't like the idea of having the tail unsupported while rotating the thing around or raising it up and down so my idea includes 2 stands that are basically the same thing, one at each end. I have a few screen captures of my very early design here http://cdw.homelinux.com:8088/aviation/stands/ If you like the concept and would really like to build a set I will be happy to finish up the model and make drawings. Any input on the design would also be welcome. My plan is to have it so you can build it using only a cut off saw, drill press, welder and grinder. Chris W Gift Giving Made Easy Get the gifts you want & give the gifts they want for any event http://thewishzone.com