---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/15/05: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:35 AM - Re: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A (Andrew Douglas) 2. 06:36 AM - Re: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 3. 07:03 AM - Static ports - rivets too short? (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 4. 07:47 AM - Re: Hooker harness (Jeff Dowling) 5. 08:34 AM - Re: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A (Dan Checkoway) 6. 09:12 AM - Re: Static ports - rivets too short? (Mickey Coggins) 7. 09:44 AM - Re: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A (Richard McCraw) 8. 11:50 AM - Re: static ports (HCRV6@aol.com) 9. 12:05 PM - Re: Hooker harness (HCRV6@aol.com) 10. 12:11 PM - Re: Hooker harness (HCRV6@aol.com) 11. 12:25 PM - Re: Oil cooler attached to engine mount (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 12. 01:42 PM - Re: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A (Dave Bristol) 13. 03:04 PM - Wingwalk material (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 14. 04:21 PM - Minimum Realistic Field Length () 15. 04:22 PM - Zenith for Sale?? () 16. 05:35 PM - Re: Wing walk material (GMC) 17. 05:50 PM - Re: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club) 18. 05:59 PM - Re: Wingwalk material (Larry Bowen) 19. 06:11 PM - Re: Minimum Realistic Field Length (Jim Cimino) 20. 06:20 PM - Re: Minimum Realistic Field Length (Nels Hanson) 21. 06:20 PM - Where to Cut holes in ribs for conduit? (Matt Johnson) 22. 06:55 PM - Re: Minimum Realistic Field Length (Scott VanArtsdalen) 23. 07:00 PM - Re: Wingwalk material (Scott VanArtsdalen) 24. 07:26 PM - Re: Minimum Realistic Field Length (Stein Bruch) 25. 08:07 PM - Re: Wing walk material (Doug Weiler) 26. 08:19 PM - Re: Where to Cut holes in ribs for conduit? (not processed: message from valid local sender) (J D Newsum) 27. 08:32 PM - Re: Where to Cut holes in ribs for conduit? (not processed: message from valid local sender) (Dan Checkoway) 28. 08:45 PM - Re: Wing walk material (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 29. 08:46 PM - cutting teflon hose (sarg314) 30. 08:47 PM - Re: Wingwalk material (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 31. 08:56 PM - HS404 Notch (MLWynn@aol.com) 32. 09:05 PM - Re: Where to Cut holes in ribs for conduit? (not processed: message ... (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 33. 09:42 PM - Re: Minimum Realistic Field Length (linn walters) 34. 09:43 PM - Re: Minimum Realistic Field Length (Kevin Horton) 35. 10:56 PM - BlueSky Aviation (Mike Comeaux) 36. 11:04 PM - Re: cutting teflon hose (Mike Nellis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:36 AM PST US From: Andrew Douglas Subject: Re: RV-List: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A --> RV-List message posted by: Andrew Douglas Doing the actual rebuild/assembly isn't all that difficult. There are some unusual bits if you have no experience...such as using a silk thread between the case halves to prevent leaks (saw this on a rebuild video shot at Mattituck). There also are some special tools you'll need, so don't forget to add those to the cost of the engine. But the actual procedures aren't fundamentally different from those you use for a car engine. You're still torquing bolts, pre-lubing parts, compressing rings, setting timing, etc. etc. The big problem is the parts. Aircraft engine parts fail differently than auto engine parts do. Cylinders crack, for example, often in such a way that you cannot see the problem with the naked eye. A good shop will magnaflux or zyglo inspect the parts to determine if they're okay. A fly-by-night operation may not, or worse, may simply say that they have. What I'm saying here is that if you, having no specific knowledge of airplane engines, show up and see this nice-looking pile of FRESHLY PAINTED (there's an alarm bell!) parts, you won't be able to tell just by looking at them if they're any good or not. Just asking the seller if they're okay in no way guarantees that they are in fact serviceable. Caveat emptor. Since having a reliable engine can literally be a life-or-death matter, does it not make sense to be patient, put some more money in the bank and just buy one from a reputable, expert shop with a long track record (e.g. Mattituck, Penn Yan, etc.)? I'm just a casual wrench-spinner, confident enough in my own ability to feel comfortable assembling something like an engine. But an engine assembled by me (who has never rebuilt an airplane engine) from parts of unknown and unproven quality is not something I'd want to trust my life to. ----------------------------------------------------- Andrew Douglas ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:17 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com In a message dated 1/14/05 11:35:53 AM US Eastern Standard Time, kevinsky18@hotmail.com writes: I found a 200hp IO 360 A1A advertised for sale. The ad reads. 200hp IO 360 A1A. First Run. NDH, Cleaned, Painted, New Starter, Rings, scamshaft, Bearings, Exhaust Valves, Magnetos, etc, Log book. Not Certified, you assemble. $15000.00Canadian Dollars, $12400.00US dollars. Kevin, If I had it to do over again, I would not use the angle valve engine -- its too heavy. Dan Hopper Walton Indiana USA (Go Colts!) RV-7A N766 dh IO-360-C1E6 converted to -A1B6 (this is like the -A1A except it has counterweights) Flying since July but not since December! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:24 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Static ports - rivets too short? --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com I used Van's pop rivets and the static system seems to work OK. The only problem I had was that the rivets were too short. There was only about 1/8 inch to put the plastic line over. I wish the rivets were about 1/2 inch long. Were they just out of the longer rivets when they shipped my kit? Dan Hopper Walton, IN RV-7A - Flying N766DH ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:05 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Hooker harness --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" I have the pads and buckles on top. If I cross them over, they will be criss crossed with the pads upside down and the buckles into my chest. Is your white identifying label stitched into the harness facing up or down. I may be able to simply pull the ends out of the buckles and switch em. Shemp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Hooker harness > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > > Hi Jeff, > > Are you sure you don't have the left/right shoulder harnesses on > backwards? > Try swapping them over your shoulders and they should fit perfectly. I > have > hookers in both my -6's and they work fine. > > Oh, and don't forget to simply grind down those bushings to fit! > > Cheers, > Stein. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Dowling > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Hooker harness > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > > I just replaced my old belts with Hookers and found the shoulder harness > attach points into the lap belt are opposite what I think they should be. > They have a 90 degree bend in them and look like they should fit together > flush. They way they go together now they seem to interfere. Has anyone > else found this? Oh yeah, and the lap belt mounting points on the harness > have a bushing that really spreads the attach points on the plane. Im > wondering if I should drill out the plane attach points to allow the > bushing > to fit through. > > On the same subject, for anyone considering installing a crotch strap, > make > sure you install them forward enough so they wont come up through your > cushion. I thought I was forward enough but it turns out the buckle has > to > come forward on top of the seat pan and under the cushion before it comes > up > to meet the lap belt. This keeps the buckle under the cushion and makes > it > a pain in the a@# to adjust. > > Shemp/Jeff Dowling > RV-6A, N915JD > 150 hours > Chicago/Louisville > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:22 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > If I had it to do over again, I would not use the angle valve engine -- its > too heavy. Dan, I would love to hear your expanded thoughts on this. I come from the other side of the fence (200+hp or bust!), and I'm curious what your experience has been. Not trying to argue in any way, just rare that you hear what you just said, and it's got my attention! do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:34 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Static ports - rivets too short? --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Mine were about the same as yours. I didn't know there were longer ones. I used a zip tie on there to clamp down on the tubing. Mickey Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > > > I used Van's pop rivets and the static system seems to work OK. The only > problem I had was that the rivets were too short. There was only about 1/8 > inch to put the plastic line over. I wish the rivets were about 1/2 inch long. > Were they just out of the longer rivets when they shipped my kit? > > > Dan Hopper > Walton, IN > RV-7A - Flying > N766DH > -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 Wiring ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:51 AM PST US From: "Richard McCraw" Subject: RE: RV-List: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard McCraw" Hmm -- I'm not sure I'd want an engine that came with a "scamshaft." :-) Rick RV-7 emp Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com In a message dated 1/14/05 11:35:53 AM US Eastern Standard Time, kevinsky18@hotmail.com writes: I found a 200hp IO 360 A1A advertised for sale. The ad reads. 200hp IO 360 A1A. First Run. NDH, Cleaned, Painted, New Starter, Rings, scamshaft, Bearings, Exhaust Valves, Magnetos, etc, Log book. Not Certified, you assemble. $15000.00Canadian Dollars, $12400.00US dollars. Kevin, If I had it to do over again, I would not use the angle valve engine -- its too heavy. Dan Hopper Walton Indiana USA (Go Colts!) RV-7A N766 dh IO-360-C1E6 converted to -A1B6 (this is like the -A1A except it has counterweights) Flying since July but not since December! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:50:18 AM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: static ports --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com In a message dated 1/14/05 2:29:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, lwalters2@cfl.rr.com writes: << one on each side >> Yes. Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, flying!!! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:49 PM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Hooker harness --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com In a message dated 1/14/05 9:09:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, shempdowling@earthlink.net writes: << I just replaced my old belts with Hookers and found the shoulder harness attach points into the lap belt are opposite what I think they should be. They have a 90 degree bend in them and look like they should fit together flush. They way they go together now they seem to interfere. Has anyone else found this? Shemp: I have Hookers in my RV-6 and noticed early on that it was easy to get the shoulder harness crossed so that they seemed to interfere. I just rotate them at the point they attach to the cable and no longer have a problem. << Oh yeah, and the lap belt mounting points on the harness have a bushing that really spreads the attach points on the plane. Im wondering if I should drill out the plane attach points to allow the bushing to fit through. >> I filed the bushings so that there was just enough still allow the belt clip to rotate in the attach points when the blot was tightened. Seems to work well. << On the same subject, for anyone considering installing a crotch strap, make sure you install them forward enough so they wont come up through your cushion. I thought I was forward enough but it turns out the buckle has to come forward on top of the seat pan and under the cushion before it comes up to meet the lap belt. This keeps the buckle under the cushion and makes it a pain in the a@# to adjust. >> Yes. With my Cleveland seats DJ puts a slot for the crotch to poke through and it is a real pain to adjust. Fortunately I find that I never have to adjust the crotch strap once it is set correctly. It is a nuisance to remove the seats, however. Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, flying! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:38 PM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Hooker harness --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com In a message dated 1/15/05 8:10:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, shempdowling@earthlink.net writes: << white identifying label stitched into the harness facing up >> I'm pretty sure that is correct but I'll check today and let you know. Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, flying!!! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:49 PM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Oil cooler attached to engine mount --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Scott, I laid it up from carbon fibre. Fun, but too time consuming. I'll probably go with aluminum for the one coming off the baffle. If you want to make one out of carbon or glass, email me directly and I can maybe help. Jerry Cochran jerry2dt@aol.com Time: 09:27:54 PM PST US From: Scott VanArtsdalen Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Oil cooler attached to engine mount --> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen Where did you get that shroud for your oil cooler? I've been looking for something like that but can't find anything. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:33 PM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A clamav-milter version 0.80j on zoot.lafn.org --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol Think that should have read "scramshaft"- I hear they're very fast! 8>) Dave no not archive Richard McCraw wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard McCraw" > >Hmm -- I'm not sure I'd want an engine that came with a "scamshaft." :-) > >Rick >RV-7 emp > >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hopperdhh@aol.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A > >--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > > >In a message dated 1/14/05 11:35:53 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >kevinsky18@hotmail.com writes: > > >I found a 200hp IO 360 A1A advertised for sale. The ad reads. > >200hp IO 360 A1A. First Run. NDH, Cleaned, Painted, New Starter, Rings, >scamshaft, Bearings, Exhaust Valves, Magnetos, etc, Log book. Not >Certified, >you assemble. $15000.00Canadian Dollars, $12400.00US dollars. > > >Kevin, > >If I had it to do over again, I would not use the angle valve engine -- its > >too heavy. > >Dan Hopper >Walton Indiana USA (Go Colts!) >RV-7A N766 dh >IO-360-C1E6 converted to -A1B6 (this is like the -A1A except it has >counterweights) >Flying since July but not since December! > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:54 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Wingwalk material --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Howdy folks- I've noticed Wicks and ACS are carrying clear wingwalk material. Anyone tried this stuff? Tried to remove it? I also seem to recall seeing some grey wingwalks out there- sources please? http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=9691~subid=2565/in dex.html http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/clearwingwalk.php Thanks! Mark ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:42 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length From: "" --> RV-List message posted by: "" All, Since the plane is still in storage while I look for a home (building withdrawl), I have been evaluating several airpark possibilities. I would be interested in hearing from others what they believe the minimum safe runway lenth would be. I know it is highly subjective, but I would like to hear from others with experience. For reference...the plane with be a 7A, O360, with FP prop. Also, there is no real obstacles to think of (never heard of the Kansas Rockies), and field elevation is approx 1000'. Would a 1400' runway be doable? I know it would be on the short side (go-around if things don't look just right), but would it be safe? Thanks for the help, Scottwww.scottsrv7a.com Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:31 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Zenith for Sale?? From: "" --> RV-List message posted by: "" Do Not Archive Sorry to waste list bandwidth on this.... I inquired recently about "easy" LSA kitplanes for my father. Someone replied to me off-line that they had a Zenith kit for sale. I deleted the email, but would be interested in getting back in touch with said person. Please contact me off line if you are still on the list. Thanks,Scott Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:59 PM PST US From: GMC Subject: RE: RV-List: Wing walk material --> RV-List message posted by: GMC Have you investigated anti-slip material for diving boards and motor home steps? --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Howdy folks- I've noticed Wicks and ACS are carrying clear wingwalk material. Anyone tried this stuff? Tried to remove it? I also seem to recall seeing some grey wingwalks out there- sources please? http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=9691~subid=2565/ in dex.html http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/clearwingwalk.php Thanks! Mark ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:35 PM PST US From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Subject: Re: RV-List: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Richard McCraw wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard McCraw" > >Hmm -- I'm not sure I'd want an engine that came with a "scamshaft." :-) > >Rick >RV-7 emp > > > It should come with a Spamshaft shouldn't it? Phil in Illinois, sure glad I have an airplane to fly....... Do not archive.... ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:05 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Wingwalk material --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I've heard others complain that non-black wing-walk material shows dirt too easily and is very hard or impossible to clean. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Fiveonepw@aol.com [mailto:Fiveonepw@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:04 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Wingwalk material > > --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com > > Howdy folks- > > I've noticed Wicks and ACS are carrying clear wingwalk > material. Anyone tried this stuff? Tried to remove it? I > also seem to recall seeing some grey wingwalks out there- > sources please? > > http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=96 > 91~subid=2565/in > dex.html > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/clearwingwalk.php > > Thanks! > Mark > > > ========= > Matronics Forums. > ========= > ========= > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:26 PM PST US From: "Jim Cimino" Subject: Re: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" The airplane will be able to do 1400', we have flown in and out of 1200' with a fixed-pitched O-320 RV-6. It is up to you. Jim Jim Cimino RV-8 SN 80039 150+ Hours ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length > --> RV-List message posted by: "" > > All, Since the plane is still in storage while I look for a home (building withdrawl), I have been evaluating several airpark possibilities. I would be interested in hearing from others what they believe the minimum safe runway lenth would be. I know it is highly subjective, but I would like to hear from others with experience. For reference...the plane with be a 7A, O360, with FP prop. Also, there is no real obstacles to think of (never heard of the Kansas Rockies), and field elevation is approx 1000'. Would a 1400' runway be doable? I know it would be on the short side (go-around if things don't look just right), but would it be safe? Thanks for the help, Scottwww.scottsrv7a.com > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:01 PM PST US From: Nels Hanson Subject: Re: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length --> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson At 1,400 ft.,it doesn't depend on the plane,it depends on the pilot-period. Practice,practice,practice on longer grass strips marked off so you know what you can do. The airplane is a constant,the pilot is the large variable. --- wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "" > > > All, Since the plane is still in storage while I > look for a home (building withdrawl), I have been > evaluating several airpark possibilities. I would > be interested in hearing from others what they > believe the minimum safe runway lenth would be. I > know it is highly subjective, but I would like to > hear from others with experience. For > reference...the plane with be a 7A, O360, with FP > prop. Also, there is no real obstacles to think of > (never heard of the Kansas Rockies), and field > elevation is approx 1000'. Would a 1400' runway be > doable? I know it would be on the short side > (go-around if things don't look just right), but > would it be safe? Thanks for the help, > Scottwww.scottsrv7a.com > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:40 PM PST US From: "Matt Johnson" Subject: RV-List: Where to Cut holes in ribs for conduit? (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" Dear Sirs, I am at the point where it is time to cut the holes in the ribs for the conduit (that I got through vans) that contains the wires ran down the wings... can you tell me where the best place to do this is? They mention using the tooling holes at the rear of the spar, but that looks like it is awfully close to the pushrods when looking at the DWG for the wing... so where do you guys put it? Also, do you only run one conduit down the wing? I imaging that only one is necessary but I do not want to try to cut holes in the ribs later if I am forgetting something. On another related issue, what items are you needing to run wires for in the wings? I can think of landing lights, positioning tip lights, AOA instrument... anything else? is there any radio, GPS, EFIS wires or anything else that is ran in the wings that I should consider while doing this? - Matt Johnson http://www.rv7a.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:27 PM PST US From: Scott VanArtsdalen Subject: Re: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length --> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen I would say that once you got your short field landings down pat, it would be managable. They stop fairly quickly once you get the wheels planted. You'll find it wanst to float. Just practice a lot and I think that 1400 feet would be fine. tx_jayhawk@excite.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "" > > All, Since the plane is still in storage while I look for a home (building withdrawl), I have been evaluating several airpark possibilities. I would be interested in hearing from others what they believe the minimum safe runway lenth would be. I know it is highly subjective, but I would like to hear from others with experience. For reference...the plane with be a 7A, O360, with FP prop. Also, there is no real obstacles to think of (never heard of the Kansas Rockies), and field elevation is approx 1000'. Would a 1400' runway be doable? I know it would be on the short side (go-around if things don't look just right), but would it be safe? Thanks for the help, Scottwww.scottsrv7a.com > > > > -- Scott VanArtsdalen Van Arts Consulting Services 3848 McHenry Ave Suite #155-184 Modesto, CA 95356 209-986-4647 www.rivetbangers.com Now with email!! How you want it, When you want it. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:31 PM PST US From: Scott VanArtsdalen Subject: Re: RV-List: Wingwalk material --> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen I bought some medium gray anti-skid stuff at the local hardware store. It was on a roll and they just cut a bunch off for me. It sticks REALLY well. Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com > >Howdy folks- > >I've noticed Wicks and ACS are carrying clear wingwalk material. Anyone >tried this stuff? Tried to remove it? I also seem to recall seeing some grey >wingwalks out there- sources please? > >http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=9691~subid=2565/in >dex.html >http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/clearwingwalk.php > >Thanks! >Mark > > > > -- Scott VanArtsdalen Van Arts Consulting Services 3848 McHenry Ave Suite #155-184 Modesto, CA 95356 209-986-4647 www.rivetbangers.com Now with email!! How you want it, When you want it. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:16 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Without Obstacles I'd say "EASY PEASY"!! Even with obstacles, it's still doable, but you have to be much more carefull. Takeoffs will be easy, but with the FP prop, you'll need to keep the approach close to nuts on (No sloppy, extra fast approaches). I fly a similar setup off a grass strip that isn't a whole lot longer and can always (almost) land with a decent amount of runway to spare. If it's not going my way during the approach, I simply go around and try it again, and again if need be. Just my 2 cents. Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6's, Minneapolis -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of tx_jayhawk@excite.com Subject: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length --> RV-List message posted by: "" All, Since the plane is still in storage while I look for a home (building withdrawl), I have been evaluating several airpark possibilities. I would be interested in hearing from others what they believe the minimum safe runway lenth would be. I know it is highly subjective, but I would like to hear from others with experience. For reference...the plane with be a 7A, O360, with FP prop. Also, there is no real obstacles to think of (never heard of the Kansas Rockies), and field elevation is approx 1000'. Would a 1400' runway be doable? I know it would be on the short side (go-around if things don't look just right), but would it be safe? Thanks for the help, Scottwww.scottsrv7a.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:29 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing walk material --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" I previously owned an RV-4 with the clear wing walk material. It had yellowed (even though the airplane bad been hangared) and look pretty bad after about 5 years. I removed and installed a nice black wing walk. Looked much better. Doug Weiler RV-4, N722DW > > Howdy folks- > > I've noticed Wicks and ACS are carrying clear wingwalk material. Anyone > tried this stuff? Tried to remove it? I also seem to recall seeing some > grey > wingwalks out there- sources please? > > http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=9691~subid=2565/ > in > dex.html > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/clearwingwalk.php ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:39 PM PST US From: "J D Newsum" Subject: RE: RV-List: Where to Cut holes in ribs for conduit? (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "J D Newsum" Matt I just completed this task on RV6 wings. Take a look at the "Routing of wires and tubes in the Wing" in the Construction FAQ section at http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/confaq.htm This article should pretty much answer all your questions. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt Johnson Subject: RV-List: Where to Cut holes in ribs for conduit? (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" Dear Sirs, I am at the point where it is time to cut the holes in the ribs for the conduit (that I got through vans) that contains the wires ran down the wings... can you tell me where the best place to do this is? They mention using the tooling holes at the rear of the spar, but that looks like it is awfully close to the pushrods when looking at the DWG for the wing... so where do you guys put it? Also, do you only run one conduit down the wing? I imaging that only one is necessary but I do not want to try to cut holes in the ribs later if I am forgetting something. On another related issue, what items are you needing to run wires for in the wings? I can think of landing lights, positioning tip lights, AOA instrument... anything else? is there any radio, GPS, EFIS wires or anything else that is ran in the wings that I should consider while doing this? - Matt Johnson http://www.rv7a.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:59 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to Cut holes in ribs for conduit? (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Low and aft is my recommendation. Van's has a Construction FAQ about this: http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Wing_Wiring.pdf http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/confaq.htm )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Johnson" Subject: RV-List: Where to Cut holes in ribs for conduit? (not processed: message from valid local sender) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" > > Dear Sirs, > > I am at the point where it is time to cut the holes in the ribs for the > conduit (that I got through vans) that contains the wires ran down > the wings... can you tell me where the best place to do this is? They > mention using the tooling holes at the rear of the spar, but that > looks like it is awfully close to the pushrods when looking at the DWG > for the wing... so where do you guys put it? Also, do you only run > one conduit down the wing? I imaging that only one is necessary but I do > not want to try to cut holes in the ribs later if I am forgetting > something. > > On another related issue, what items are you needing to run wires for in > the wings? I can think of landing lights, positioning tip lights, > AOA instrument... anything else? is there any radio, GPS, EFIS wires or > anything else that is ran in the wings that I should consider > while doing this? > > - Matt Johnson > http://www.rv7a.com > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:26 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing walk material --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 01/15/2005 7:59:59 PM Central Standard Time, gmcnutt@shaw.ca writes: Have you investigated anti-slip material for diving boards and motor home steps? >>> Good suggestion- I'll have to dust off the West Marine catalog! Thanks - do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:28 PM PST US From: sarg314 Subject: RV-List: cutting teflon hose --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 I have some stainless steel braided teflon hose that I'll be using for oil and fuel. Is it OK to use a dremel cut-off disk to cut this type of hose? -- Thanks, Tom Sargent, RV-6A, firewall ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:48 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Wingwalk material --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 01/15/2005 8:20:31 PM Central Standard Time, Larry@bowenaero.com writes: I've heard others complain that non-black wing-walk material shows dirt too easily and is very hard or impossible to clean. >>>> Yeah, there was some stuff in the archives about that- kinda hoping some of the newer stuff was "new & improved".... Mark do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:49 PM PST US From: MLWynn@aol.com Subject: RV-List: HS404 Notch --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com Hi folks, I was on page 6-2, preparing the ribs. It says, "notch the aft end of HS-404 ribs to fit around HS-810 & HS-814." In doing so, I cut a little too much metal and don't have a flush fit. Is this critical (i.e., do I send to Vans for new HS-404's and start over)? The line that was supposed to be flush against 810 & 814 is not particularly straight and has as much as 2mm gap. I did this fiasco by first drillin a small hole at what I thought would be the corner of the notch and then cutting with snips. Done over, I would use a much smaller drill bit and a band saw. Thoughts? Michael Wynn RV-8, Starting the empennage EAA 0219782 AOPA 665085 San Ramon, California ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:19 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to Cut holes in ribs for conduit? (not processed: message ... --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 01/15/2005 8:41:41 PM Central Standard Time, matt@n559rv.com writes: I am at the point where it is time to cut the holes in the ribs for the conduit (that I got through vans) that contains the wires ran down the wings... can you tell me where the best place to do this is? They mention using the tooling holes at the rear of the spar, but that looks like it is awfully close to the pushrods when looking at the DWG for the wing... so where do you guys put it? Also, do you only run one conduit down the wing? I imaging that only one is necessary but I do not want to try to cut holes in the ribs later if I am forgetting something. >>>>>> I made a simple jig that held each rib firmly in the same position- a short piece of 2x12 with wood blocks nailed at several places around the edge of the rib. I clamped this to the table of my drill press and used a step drill to make each hole in the same location, production line style. Mine are about 2" behind the spar, about 1" below the top skin (-6A). Took about 10 minutes to drill all the ribs for each wing. The holes were sized for a single length of 5/8 CPVC. Installing the CPVC took about 5 seconds (chamfer the end you insert- slips right through) Once the wires are shoved through (another couple of minutes), and the tube is just where ya want it, GOOP the outer end to the end rib and move on to other stuff... My tips house the typical landing/taxi/postion and strobe lights (including the power supplies), and the right wingtip also has the Navaid wing leveler servo- still lots of room for antenna wire if desired. Fotos if interested- From The PossumWorks in TN Mark Phillips ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:26 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Stein Bruch wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > >Without Obstacles I'd say "EASY PEASY"!! > >Even with obstacles, it's still doable, but you have to be much more >carefull. Takeoffs will be easy, but with the FP prop, you'll need to keep >the approach close to nuts on (No sloppy, extra fast approaches). I fly a >similar setup off a grass strip that isn't a whole lot longer and can always >(almost) land with a decent amount of runway to spare. If it's not going my >way during the approach, I simply go around and try it again, and again if >need be. > >Just my 2 cents. > >Cheers, >Stein Bruch >RV6's, Minneapolis > Worth a heck of a lot more than 2 cents!!! No face lost in a go around ..... but sometimes much face lost trying to salvage a poor approach. Nobody seems to remember your good landings .... but they never forget your bad ones .... and keep reminding you. Sheesh. And these are your friends too!!! Just no respect. What's a fella to do?? Linn do not archive > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of >tx_jayhawk@excite.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "" > > All, Since the plane is still in storage while I look for a home (building >withdrawl), I have been evaluating several airpark possibilities. I would >be interested in hearing from others what they believe the minimum safe >runway lenth would be. I know it is highly subjective, but I would like to >hear from others with experience. For reference...the plane with be a 7A, >O360, with FP prop. Also, there is no real obstacles to think of (never >heard of the Kansas Rockies), and field elevation is approx 1000'. Would a >1400' runway be doable? I know it would be on the short side (go-around if >things don't look just right), but would it be safe? Thanks for the help, >Scottwww.scottsrv7a.com > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:22 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: RE: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton Plan on doing your initial flight testing off a longer strip, and don't land at your strip until you have mastered the aircraft. Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > >Without Obstacles I'd say "EASY PEASY"!! > >Even with obstacles, it's still doable, but you have to be much more >carefull. Takeoffs will be easy, but with the FP prop, you'll need to keep >the approach close to nuts on (No sloppy, extra fast approaches). I fly a >similar setup off a grass strip that isn't a whole lot longer and can always >(almost) land with a decent amount of runway to spare. If it's not going my >way during the approach, I simply go around and try it again, and again if >need be. > >Just my 2 cents. > >Cheers, >Stein Bruch >RV6's, Minneapolis > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of >tx_jayhawk@excite.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "" > > All, Since the plane is still in storage while I look for a home (building >withdrawl), I have been evaluating several airpark possibilities. I would >be interested in hearing from others what they believe the minimum safe >runway lenth would be. I know it is highly subjective, but I would like to >hear from others with experience. For reference...the plane with be a 7A, >O360, with FP prop. Also, there is no real obstacles to think of (never >heard of the Kansas Rockies), and field elevation is approx 1000'. Would a >1400' runway be doable? I know it would be on the short side (go-around if >things don't look just right), but would it be safe? Thanks for the help, >Scottwww.scottsrv7a.com ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:42 PM PST US From: "Mike Comeaux" Subject: RV-List: BlueSky Aviation --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Comeaux" I would like to share my story regarding Bluesky Aviation Aka Noel Simmons to any and all interested parties. I have pictures during final construction to back up my claims & repairs that had to be done to correct what he had done to my airplane and charged me for. I was hoping to reach the 10 & 9 list can anyone confirm off list if I reached you as well. Regards Mike Comeaux mcomeaux@bendnet.com ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:46 PM PST US From: Mike Nellis Subject: Re: RV-List: cutting teflon hose --> RV-List message posted by: Mike Nellis Yes. Wrap the ends you plan to cut with electrical tape and cut em off. We used to make lots of brake lines and used a similar tool to do the job. I don't recommend a hacksaw, makes a mess of the ends. -- Mike Nellis Austin, TX CMRA #32 Honda RC51 '97 YZF1000 '47 Stinson 108-2; RV6 (Fuselage) http://bmnellis.com sarg314 wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 > >I have some stainless steel braided teflon hose that I'll be using for >oil and fuel. Is it OK to use a dremel cut-off disk to cut this type of >hose? >-- >Thanks, >Tom Sargent, RV-6A, firewall > > > >