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1. 12:09 AM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Jim Jewell)
2. 12:31 AM - Re: heated pitot (Jim Jewell)
3. 05:56 AM - Re: Shutdown problems and fuel selector valve (Dean Pichon)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: heated pitot (Jamie Painter)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: heated pitot (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
6. 07:30 AM - Orlando RV forced landing (richard dudley)
7. 07:56 AM - Re: Wing walk material (Scott Bilinski)
8. 08:37 AM - Washington, DC RV Hanger. (Eric Parlow)
9. 08:55 AM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Dave Bristol)
10. 09:13 AM - Re: heated pitot (Jeff Dowling)
11. 09:25 AM - Re: heated pitot (Bryan Hooks)
12. 09:26 AM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
13. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: static ports (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
14. 09:41 AM - Re: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A (Darwin N. Barrie)
15. 09:55 AM - Weekend Trip... (Bill VonDane)
16. 10:22 AM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Scott Bilinski)
17. 10:58 AM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Steve Slayden)
18. 11:49 AM - Re: Shutdown problems and fuel selector valve (Mike Robertson)
19. 01:00 PM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Jamie Painter)
20. 01:01 PM - Large connector thru firewall (Randy Lervold)
21. 01:15 PM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI (Scott Bilinski)
22. 01:32 PM - Re: heated pitot (glaesers)
23. 03:12 PM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Scott Bilinski)
24. 03:18 PM - Re: Large connector thru firewall (J. Rion Bourgeois)
25. 03:27 PM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Bill VonDane)
26. 04:39 PM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Maureen & Bob Christensen)
27. 05:50 PM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Steve Slayden)
28. 06:12 PM - Dynon announces new graphical engine monitor Jan. 14th... EMS-D10 (jacklockamy)
29. 06:28 PM - Re: Large connector thru firewall (Alex Peterson)
30. 07:28 PM - GNC300xl (smoothweasel@juno.com)
31. 07:44 PM - Re: heated pitot (Bill Schlatterer)
32. 07:44 PM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Charlie England)
33. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: static ports (Bill Schlatterer)
34. 08:11 PM - Re: Large connector thru firewall (mark manda)
35. 09:00 PM - Re: GNC300xl (John D. Heath)
36. 09:31 PM - RV8 windscreen for sale (Jerry Calvert)
37. 11:03 PM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Mickey Coggins)
38. 11:27 PM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Stan Jones)
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| Subject: | Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Joe,
Check out Dynon's Recent (Jan.14) announcement re-engine monitor
http://www.dynondevelopment.com/index.html
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Are you stuck on using either of those?? There are a couple other
> solutions
> which are cheaper and offer more functionality such as the EIS from GRT of
> the Rocky Mountain Engine monitor.
>
> If you add up the high price ($1200+) and the relatively small amount of
> functionality (both are basically a CHT and/or EGT instrument) coupled to
> the fact that you still have to buy a bunch of other engine instruments
> anyway, why not spend less and get more functionality anyway.
>
> You don't see many of these in "new" experimentals for the above reasons.
> The complete graphical engine monitor solutions available to the
> experimental market are so for advanced and beyond what those two
> instruments are for the price.
>
> Just my 2 cents as usual, I'm not much help to your original question and
> I
> apologize for that. Personally, I wouldn't use either one. If I had to,
> I'd avoid JPI for personal reasons (well documented past company policies
> towards certain individuals) at all cost. If I were forced to choose, I'd
> choose the EI solutions just based on principle alone.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
> RV6's, Minneapolis
>
> Do Not Archive (not much worth archiving in my response)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joe & Jan
> Connell
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Joe & Jan Connell" <jconnell@rconnect.com>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320
> and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700
> vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price
> through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the
> aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is
> no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would
> be fine with me, but I'd like your insights...
>
> Thanks...
>
> Joe Connell, RV-9A, N95JJ, finishing
> Stewartville, MN
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: heated pitot |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Gar,
I have a Cessna heated pitot that I bought a while back at a wrecker. It
will be used in place of the Dynon heated Pitot that I hope will come into
production soon. Dynon already produces the non heated model that I think
will be upgradeable to heated type by adding the heater when it comes
available.
Dynons stated price for the unheated pitot is $199.00
http://www.dynondevelopment.com/index.html
I took a look at how Cessna approached the mounting issue. I built my own
mounting bracket section for the Cessna unit. Rocket science does not apply
here. I hand formed mine out of .032 sheet material and had a friend weld
the parts. The outcome is quite satisfactory and should also fit the newer
Dynon unit.
Hand drawn picture available. Photos also.
I expect that the serviceable used units will be few and far between now
that the new unit prices have skyrocketed. The used prices will likely be
reflecting today's new unit pricing by now.
$900.00!, It is hard to believe that the cost of an already existing and in
production design heated pitot could jump that much. Maybe that's in
"monopoly" money?!{[;-`
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gar Pessel" <pessel@ptialaska.net>
Subject: RV-List: heated pitot
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Gar Pessel" <pessel@ptialaska.net>
>
> I had wanted to put a heated pitot in the 9A I am building. I saw the
> letter from Gretz Aero in the archives, and was thinking of getting the
> Gretz mounting kit and the GA1000 probe if it becomes available. I have
> been unable to contact Gretz, either by phone or email. I do not want to
> buy the $900 plus probe from Aircraft Spruce. Does anyone know of other
> options, mounting kits, etc.
>
> Gar Pessel Fairbanks, AK building on and happily flying a 6, once it
> warms up again.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Shutdown problems and fuel selector valve |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com>
I have an Airflow Performance system in my -4 and use an Andair fuel
selector to control the fuel flow. Although I do not shut down the engine
with the Andair valve, I do know that in the OFF position, it allows no
flow. For what it's worth, I have the purge valve option in my aircraft and
have had no problems for the 3 years I have been flying my plane.
Dean
RV-4
Bolton, MA
----Original Message Follows----
From: Jason Sneed <n242ds@cox.net>
Subject: RV-List: Shutdown problems and fuel selector valve
--> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed <n242ds@cox.net>
I have been having trouble shutting down my engine, the first case I
had was a slipping mixture cable but now the engine does not stop at
idle cut off and when the prop does stop it just starts turning the
opposite direction. so I finally removed the fuel control servo and I
am shipping it back to airflow performance. I spoke with the builder of
my airplane and he mentioned he had the same problem shutting down at
one point and he just would turn the fuel selector to off and when the
engine began to starve he would shutdown and the engine would quit.
so, I tried this approach before I removed the servo and no joy, the
engine would stumble but not quit. I pushed the plane in the hangar and
the fuel inlet hose and the outlet hose were both hanging from the
engine.... Hummmm, I turned the fuel selector to off and hit the boost
pump. Sure enough fuel was pouring out of the hose I let about a 1/2
gallon run out to make sure it was really pumping fuel from the
tanks...
My question is.... Is this normal? I would think that if you turn the
fuel selector to off then no fuel would go past the firewall.
Don at airflow wants to sell me a purge valve but I really do not want
to go that route because most people say it is really for hot starts
not shutting down. Plus, I like to find the root of a problem not just
spending more money to take care of a problem by added heavy expensive
stuff.
Any and all comment welcome!
Jason
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: heated pitot |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
> I have a Cessna heated pitot that I bought a while back at a wrecker. It
> will be used in place of the Dynon heated Pitot that I hope will come into
> production soon. Dynon already produces the non heated model that I think
> will be upgradeable to heated type by adding the heater when it comes
> available.
> Dynons stated price for the unheated pitot is $199.00
> http://www.dynondevelopment.com/index.html
>
> I took a look at how Cessna approached the mounting issue. I built my own
> mounting bracket section for the Cessna unit. Rocket science does not apply
> here. I hand formed mine out of .032 sheet material and had a friend weld
> the parts. The outcome is quite satisfactory and should also fit the newer
> Dynon unit.
I too decided that I would use a Cessna pitot instead of shelling out $900.00
bucks for a pretty one. Getting the pitot to fit the Gretz mount is trivial.
There's basically a stair-step toward the top of the pitot that needs to be
lengthened about .125 inches or so. You'll also need to file down just a bit
of 'diameter' from the stair-step to make it work.
Here are some pictures:
http://rv.jpainter.org/?view=entry&date=2004-10-20
And here's a shot of it temporarily mounted on the wing.
http://rv.jpainter.org/images/2004-12-18.401.jpeg
The only concern I have about this is the length of the mount. It seems
*really* long. Does anyone monitoring the list have any recommendations on
shortening the pitot? Is this a bad move that will lead to unpredictable
results?
Thanks,
Jamie
--
Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Re: heated pitot |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/16/2005 9:37:05 P.M. Central Standard Time,
pessel@ptialaska.net writes:
I had wanted to put a heated pitot in the 9A I am building. I saw the
letter from Gretz Aero in the archives, and was thinking of getting the Gretz
mounting kit and the GA1000 probe if it becomes available. I have been unable
to contact Gretz, either by phone or email. I do not want to buy the $900
plus probe from Aircraft Spruce. Does anyone know of other options, mounting
kits, etc.
I have ordered a part from Gretz within the last month and received it, so
he is in business. He advised he is working on the heated pitot and should be
available soon (?) at a reasonable price. He has moved and getting settled in
at the new location. Don't have that # handy right now.
Good luck.
Doug Preston
RV-7A Wiring.
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
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| Subject: | Orlando RV forced landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: richard dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Listers,
Last evening on Local 6 WKMG Orlando they reported an RV-6 made a
successful forced landing enroute from Lakeland to Sanford. It did not
appear in this morning's Sentinel. Does anyone have any more information?
Do not archive
RHDudley
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| Subject: | Re: Wing walk material |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I used the 3M anti slip stuff, which is made from rubber material. The down
side is it is about .040 thick and comes in 4" wide roll so you have to
double up. The good side is it will never wear out. The standard sand paper
type stuff, well I think it is no good. While working on the plane in the
summer I was getting in and out of the cockpit many times on a hot day and
the adhesive that holds the sand in place softened and came up.
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Washington, DC RV Hanger. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
We have tickets to the Inauguration this Thur.
We want to fly in on Wed night and out Thur night.
Any suggestion on where to fly into given the TFRs?
Any chance I could get a hanger for the RV nearby?
ERic--
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| Subject: | Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
on zoot.lafn.org
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Besides the political problems which were very unfortunate, the EDM-700
is a great instrument. and of course, now we'll have to blackball Vision
Microsystems as well, since they just announced a merger with JPI.
Where will it ever end? 8>)
Dave
do not archive
Terry Watson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>Some of us with long memories wouldn't buy a free lunch from JPI, but it's
>your problem only if you choose to make it yours. Check the archives back a
>few years to see what they tried to do to our man Matt and his Matronics.
>
>Terry
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: heated pitot |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I have the Gretz mount and it works fine with a Cessna pitot tube. Gretz
told me about 15 months ago he would have a heated pitot tube soon so if
you're getting close to finishing, I would try to get a solid date from him
or get something else.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
150 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: <DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: heated pitot
> --> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 1/16/2005 9:37:05 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> pessel@ptialaska.net writes:
>
> I had wanted to put a heated pitot in the 9A I am building. I saw the
> letter from Gretz Aero in the archives, and was thinking of getting the
> Gretz
> mounting kit and the GA1000 probe if it becomes available. I have been
> unable
> to contact Gretz, either by phone or email. I do not want to buy the
> $900
> plus probe from Aircraft Spruce. Does anyone know of other options,
> mounting
> kits, etc.
>
>
> I have ordered a part from Gretz within the last month and received it,
> so
> he is in business. He advised he is working on the heated pitot and
> should be
> available soon (?) at a reasonable price. He has moved and getting
> settled in
> at the new location. Don't have that # handy right now.
> Good luck.
> Doug Preston
> RV-7A Wiring.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE.
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bryan Hooks" <bryanhooks@comcast.net>
Hopefully this is true, but he told me the same thing almost 2 years
ago...and still...not heated pitot. I would love to save some money by
buying his pitot and support someone providing products to us at
reasonable prices. I just don't know if he's gonna provide that
opportunity before my kit is flying.
I'll keep watching though.
If anyone here's different, please let us all know.
Bryan Hooks
RV7A, slowbuild
Knoxville, TN
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: heated pitot
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/16/2005 9:37:05 P.M. Central Standard Time,
pessel@ptialaska.net writes:
I had wanted to put a heated pitot in the 9A I am building. I saw the
letter from Gretz Aero in the archives, and was thinking of getting the
Gretz
mounting kit and the GA1000 probe if it becomes available. I have been
unable
to contact Gretz, either by phone or email. I do not want to buy the
$900
plus probe from Aircraft Spruce. Does anyone know of other options,
mounting
kits, etc.
I have ordered a part from Gretz within the last month and received it,
so
he is in business. He advised he is working on the heated pitot and
should be
available soon (?) at a reasonable price. He has moved and getting
settled in
at the new location. Don't have that # handy right now.
Good luck.
Doug Preston
RV-7A Wiring.
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
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| Subject: | Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Hi Joe,
I'm using the UBG. I'm not sure if its the same as you are asking about,
but it is a 2 inch bar graph (orange display) with 4 EGT's, 4 CHT's and OAT.
It does log data, but I have never used that feature. I had to use a separate
dimmer control (which came with it) which doesn't work real well (not much
range), because it is not compatible with my other lights, but that's not much
of a problem really. If you are like me and have a basic low-tech panel, I
think it is an OK way to go. Support has been good. I sent the original EGT
probes back to EI and got the quick response ones. Later I needed some more
terminals to shorten up the wiring, and EI sent them no charge. They were
very good to deal with.
Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
RV-7A (Flying since July)
In a message dated 1/16/05 8:05:16 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
jconnell@rconnect.com writes:
Greetings,
I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320
and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700
vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price
through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the
aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is
no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would
be fine with me, but I'd like your insights...
Thanks...
Joe Connell, RV-9A, N95JJ, finishing
Stewartville, MN
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| Subject: | Re: static ports |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 1/17/05 12:52:31 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time, m
schrimmer@pacbell.net writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer@pacbell.net>
Kevin's explanation for putting the T midpoint between
the two ports makes sense, yet the plans for the 7 and
9 have the T on one side. Since I'm just about to
install my pop rivet static system, does anyone have
any comments about which location is better?
Thanks,
Mark
Irvine, CA
Mark,
I put the T in the center with equal lengths of tubing on each side. It may
not matter because the holes in the static ports are much smaller than the
tubing which connects them to the T. Still, its easy to relocate the T to the
top of the bulkhead.
Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
RV-7A (Flying)
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| Subject: | Re: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
Gary released the company name. As I said in the beginning there are many good
one in Canada, Aerosport being one of them.
Regarding Crossflow we have documented several similar business dealings that would
fall into a trend or pattern.
I believe a reputable company, like Aerosport, probably discloses any potential
"other" charges that might be incurred. Had I known I was going to get tagged
with an additional $3000, that would have been a deal breaker for sure.
The Canadian aviators that I have met have been great, especially the RV guys.
In summary, my point wasn't to condemn Canada in anyway but to make US buyers aware
that you can and will get slapped with some potentially heavy additional
costs.
If we were to survey the list I believe there would be a healthy volume of members
that didn't know.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Hey All...
I am planning a short trip this weekend from 00V (Colorado Springs) to HUT
(Hutchinson, KS) Saturday night, and then to LNK (Lincoln, NE) Sunday
night... Would be interested in any hangar space that may be available in
these areas...
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A - Colorado
www.rv8a.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Orlando RV forced landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I believe the government has the day off. So check tomorrow here.
http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm
At 09:12 AM 1/17/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: richard dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
>
>Listers,
>Last evening on Local 6 WKMG Orlando they reported an RV-6 made a
>successful forced landing enroute from Lakeland to Sanford. It did not
>appear in this morning's Sentinel. Does anyone have any more information?
>
>Do not archive
>
>RHDudley
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden <steve_slayden@yahoo.com>
This may sound a little odd, but I still like the looks of the
old-style round analog instrumets. I don't want a glass cockpit (well
most days). I wish the ACS CPU could drive analog instrument heads
while still providing the alarms and recording capabilities.
I'm inclined to buy all analog engine instruments and the UBG-16 and
fuel totalizer for the simple cosmetics of it. The same goes for the
primary flight instruments. The price difference between old style and
new is not that much. And for what you get with the new stuff (ACS,
Dynon), it's a better deal.
Although I've never flown behind an ACS or Dynon unit. Has anyone
wished they had thier old-style instruments and guages? Even a little?
Or does it depend on the plane. Keep the old-style instruments and
guages for the cubs and champs?
Slayden
RV8 Fuse
--- Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
> > I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320
> > and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700
> > vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price
> > through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the
> > aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is
> > no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would
> > be fine with me, but I'd like your insights...
>
> You might want to consider one of the more comprehensive engine
> monitor
> systems. The Advanced Flight Systems ACS2002 (soon to be AF-2500) is
> the
> pick of the litter imho. Here's a comparison...
>
http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/MonitorComparisons/monitorscomparison.htm
>
> You may find that it ends up cheaper given the other instruments you
> don't
> have to buy.
>
> Randy Lervold
> RV-3, fuselage
> RV-8, sold
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Shutdown problems and fuel selector valve |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Jason,
Actually if you have an airflow performance you really should have the
purge/shutoff valve. The Airflow design keeps the mixture valve from
totally seating during shutdown. That way the valve won't get hammered.
Teh purge valve is not just for hot starting. It is also used for shutdown.
I just leave the mixture in whatever position and shut the engine down
with the purge valve. I also circulate the fuel before starting to get any
air bubbles out of the system, whether it is cold or hot. Works great. And
we have not had any problems at all with it.
Mike Robertson
>From: Jason Sneed <n242ds@cox.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Shutdown problems and fuel selector valve
>Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:06:39 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed <n242ds@cox.net>
>
>I have been having trouble shutting down my engine, the first case I
>had was a slipping mixture cable but now the engine does not stop at
>idle cut off and when the prop does stop it just starts turning the
>opposite direction. so I finally removed the fuel control servo and I
>am shipping it back to airflow performance. I spoke with the builder of
>my airplane and he mentioned he had the same problem shutting down at
>one point and he just would turn the fuel selector to off and when the
>engine began to starve he would shutdown and the engine would quit.
>
>so, I tried this approach before I removed the servo and no joy, the
>engine would stumble but not quit. I pushed the plane in the hangar and
>the fuel inlet hose and the outlet hose were both hanging from the
>engine.... Hummmm, I turned the fuel selector to off and hit the boost
>pump. Sure enough fuel was pouring out of the hose I let about a 1/2
>gallon run out to make sure it was really pumping fuel from the
>tanks...
>
>My question is.... Is this normal? I would think that if you turn the
>fuel selector to off then no fuel would go past the firewall.
>
>Don at airflow wants to sell me a purge valve but I really do not want
>to go that route because most people say it is really for hot starts
>not shutting down. Plus, I like to find the root of a problem not just
>spending more money to take care of a problem by added heavy expensive
>stuff.
>
>Any and all comment welcome!
>
>Jason
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Orlando RV forced landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> I believe the government has the day off. So check tomorrow here.
>
>
> http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm
Ok, not necessarily rv-related, but did you see THIS one? I wonder why I
didn't hear about this on the news?
http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/F_0113_N.txt
...snip...
DESCRIPTION
ACFT ON APPROACH TO LAND, LOST ALL HYDRAULICS, DIVERTED AND AFTER LANDING,
FOUND A BULLET HOLE IN THE WING, MINNEAPOLIS, MN
...snip...
do not archive
--
Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Large connector thru firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
Guys,
I'm afraid my LASAR brain will not fit in the very limited space on the
firewall of the RV-3B I'm building. The good news is that I have plenty of
space just aft of the firewall. In order to mount it aft of the firewall
I'll need to pass the two magneto connectors through the firewall. Looks
like I'll need a 1.5" hole to get them through. Once they are through they
are normal sized wire bundles. I'm scratching my head as to a method of
accomplishing this... the eyeball connectors use a 1.125" hole, those common
grommet w/ss shields only go up to 1.25". Any ideas for other methods?
Randy Lervold
www.rv-3.com
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| Subject: | Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI |
UBG-16-4M
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com> UBG-16-4M
My 2$ (could not find the cent symbol) opinion is that how can you afford
not to know what is going on in your $20K plus engine? A engine monitor
will find problems before you do, allowing more time to hopefully land
safely. I have the VM-1000 and love it. Its about 9 instruments in one, and
saves large amounts of panel space. In cruise mode it can watch the engine
for you and let you know when anything changes more than ???? 5%. This is a
great function for the longer trips. I am not pushing the VM-1000, but I am
pushing a engine monitor, I think it is a must have with no good excuses
not to have one.
At 09:40 AM 1/17/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden <steve_slayden@yahoo.com>
>
>This may sound a little odd, but I still like the looks of the
>old-style round analog instrumets. I don't want a glass cockpit (well
>most days). I wish the ACS CPU could drive analog instrument heads
>while still providing the alarms and recording capabilities.
>
>I'm inclined to buy all analog engine instruments and the UBG-16 and
>fuel totalizer for the simple cosmetics of it. The same goes for the
>primary flight instruments. The price difference between old style and
>new is not that much. And for what you get with the new stuff (ACS,
>Dynon), it's a better deal.
>
>Although I've never flown behind an ACS or Dynon unit. Has anyone
>wished they had thier old-style instruments and guages? Even a little?
>
>Or does it depend on the plane. Keep the old-style instruments and
>guages for the cubs and champs?
>
>Slayden
>RV8 Fuse
>
>--- Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com> wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> >
> > > I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320
> > > and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700
> > > vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price
> > > through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the
> > > aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is
> > > no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would
> > > be fine with me, but I'd like your insights...
> >
> > You might want to consider one of the more comprehensive engine
> > monitor
> > systems. The Advanced Flight Systems ACS2002 (soon to be AF-2500) is
> > the
> > pick of the litter imho. Here's a comparison...
> >
>http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/MonitorComparisons/monitorscomparison.htm
> >
> > You may find that it ends up cheaper given the other instruments you
> > don't
> > have to buy.
> >
> > Randy Lervold
> > RV-3, fuselage
> > RV-8, sold
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | RE: heated pitot |
--> RV-List message posted by: "glaesers" <glaesers@wideopenwest.com>
I found a used Cessna heated pitot on eBay for less than $150. There are
some listed there now (search on 'heated pitot').
Dennis Glaeser
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| Subject: | Re: Orlando RV forced landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
A few years back I heard about a T-6 with at least one bullet hole in it. I
think that was in east Los Angeles, Riverside area.
At 02:53 PM 1/17/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> > I believe the government has the day off. So check tomorrow here.
> >
> >
> > http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm
>
>Ok, not necessarily rv-related, but did you see THIS one? I wonder why I
>didn't hear about this on the news?
>
>http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/F_0113_N.txt
>
>...snip...
>DESCRIPTION
> ACFT ON APPROACH TO LAND, LOST ALL HYDRAULICS, DIVERTED AND AFTER LANDING,
> FOUND A BULLET HOLE IN THE WING, MINNEAPOLIS, MN
>...snip...
>
>do not archive
>
>--
>Jamie D. Painter
>RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
>http://rv.jpainter.org
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Large connector thru firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J. Rion Bourgeois" <rion@att.net>
If the leads are long enough, you could put them through the side of the
fuselage under one of the cowl cheek enxtensions, and not cut the holes in
your firewall. This is what I did for the coax cable for my LSI system,
even though I could have gone through the firewall. You may be able to find
some rubber grommets to fill a 1.5" hole. If not, you could fabricate a
removable two-piece patch out of aluminum to cover the large hole, but with
a smaller hole for the grommet. Rion
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
Subject: RV-List: Large connector thru firewall
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
> Guys,
> I'm afraid my LASAR brain will not fit in the very limited space on the
> firewall of the RV-3B I'm building. The good news is that I have plenty of
> space just aft of the firewall. In order to mount it aft of the firewall
> I'll need to pass the two magneto connectors through the firewall. Looks
> like I'll need a 1.5" hole to get them through. Once they are through they
> are normal sized wire bundles. I'm scratching my head as to a method of
> accomplishing this... the eyeball connectors use a 1.125" hole, those
> common
> grommet w/ss shields only go up to 1.25". Any ideas for other methods?
>
> Randy Lervold
> www.rv-3.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
My IA buddy told me not to fool with all that engine monitoring stuff... He
said "you don't want to know what's going on in there, if you did, you
wouldn't fly behind one!"...
toung-in-cheek of course...
-Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski UBG-16-4M" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com> UBG-16-4M
My 2$ (could not find the cent symbol) opinion is that how can you afford
not to know what is going on in your $20K plus engine? A engine monitor
will find problems before you do, allowing more time to hopefully land
safely. I have the VM-1000 and love it. Its about 9 instruments in one, and
saves large amounts of panel space. In cruise mode it can watch the engine
for you and let you know when anything changes more than ???? 5%. This is a
great function for the longer trips. I am not pushing the VM-1000, but I am
pushing a engine monitor, I think it is a must have with no good excuses
not to have one.
At 09:40 AM 1/17/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden <steve_slayden@yahoo.com>
>
>This may sound a little odd, but I still like the looks of the
>old-style round analog instrumets. I don't want a glass cockpit (well
>most days). I wish the ACS CPU could drive analog instrument heads
>while still providing the alarms and recording capabilities.
>
>I'm inclined to buy all analog engine instruments and the UBG-16 and
>fuel totalizer for the simple cosmetics of it. The same goes for the
>primary flight instruments. The price difference between old style and
>new is not that much. And for what you get with the new stuff (ACS,
>Dynon), it's a better deal.
>
>Although I've never flown behind an ACS or Dynon unit. Has anyone
>wished they had thier old-style instruments and guages? Even a little?
>
>Or does it depend on the plane. Keep the old-style instruments and
>guages for the cubs and champs?
>
>Slayden
>RV8 Fuse
>
>--- Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com> wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> >
> > > I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320
> > > and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700
> > > vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price
> > > through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the
> > > aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is
> > > no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would
> > > be fine with me, but I'd like your insights...
> >
> > You might want to consider one of the more comprehensive engine
> > monitor
> > systems. The Advanced Flight Systems ACS2002 (soon to be AF-2500) is
> > the
> > pick of the litter imho. Here's a comparison...
> >
>http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/MonitorComparisons/monitorscomparison.htm
> >
> > You may find that it ends up cheaper given the other instruments you
> > don't
> > have to buy.
> >
> > Randy Lervold
> > RV-3, fuselage
> > RV-8, sold
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Orlando RV forced landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
Can't believe that hasn't made the national news!!
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Orlando RV forced landing
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> > I believe the government has the day off. So check tomorrow here.
> >
> >
> > http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm
>
> Ok, not necessarily rv-related, but did you see THIS one? I wonder why I
> didn't hear about this on the news?
>
> http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/F_0113_N.txt
>
> ...snip...
> DESCRIPTION
> ACFT ON APPROACH TO LAND, LOST ALL HYDRAULICS, DIVERTED AND AFTER
LANDING,
> FOUND A BULLET HOLE IN THE WING, MINNEAPOLIS, MN
> ...snip...
>
> do not archive
>
> --
> Jamie D. Painter
> RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
> http://rv.jpainter.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden <steve_slayden@yahoo.com>
I definitely want an engine monitor. The UBG-16 has everything I need
except separate displays for oil press, oil temp, fuel press, volts and
amps. I'd have to hook up two transducers to get the annunciators and
individual readouts. Yuck. So I'm stuck with having to fly behind a
computer-game-looking screen, dual transducers for some engine
instruments, figure out how to build an alarm feeding off of standard
instrument gages or no alarm/annunciators. Dag nabit!
--- Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> My IA buddy told me not to fool with all that engine monitoring
> stuff... He
> said "you don't want to know what's going on in there, if you did,
> you
> wouldn't fly behind one!"...
>
> toung-in-cheek of course...
>
> -Bill
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Bilinski UBG-16-4M" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI
> UBG-16-4M
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com> UBG-16-4M
>
> My 2$ (could not find the cent symbol) opinion is that how can you
> afford
> not to know what is going on in your $20K plus engine? A engine
> monitor
> will find problems before you do, allowing more time to hopefully
> land
> safely. I have the VM-1000 and love it. Its about 9 instruments in
> one, and
> saves large amounts of panel space. In cruise mode it can watch the
> engine
> for you and let you know when anything changes more than ???? 5%.
> This is a
> great function for the longer trips. I am not pushing the VM-1000,
> but I am
> pushing a engine monitor, I think it is a must have with no good
> excuses
> not to have one.
>
>
> At 09:40 AM 1/17/2005 -0800, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden
> <steve_slayden@yahoo.com>
> >
> >This may sound a little odd, but I still like the looks of the
> >old-style round analog instrumets. I don't want a glass cockpit
> (well
> >most days). I wish the ACS CPU could drive analog instrument heads
> >while still providing the alarms and recording capabilities.
> >
> >I'm inclined to buy all analog engine instruments and the UBG-16 and
> >fuel totalizer for the simple cosmetics of it. The same goes for the
> >primary flight instruments. The price difference between old style
> and
> >new is not that much. And for what you get with the new stuff (ACS,
> >Dynon), it's a better deal.
> >
> >Although I've never flown behind an ACS or Dynon unit. Has anyone
> >wished they had thier old-style instruments and guages? Even a
> little?
> >
> >Or does it depend on the plane. Keep the old-style instruments and
> >guages for the cubs and champs?
> >
> >Slayden
> >RV8 Fuse
> >
> >--- Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com> wrote:
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold"
> <randy@romeolima.com>
> > >
> > > > I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320
> > > > and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700
> > > > vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price
> > > > through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the
> > > > aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is
> > > > no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would
> > > > be fine with me, but I'd like your insights...
> > >
> > > You might want to consider one of the more comprehensive engine
> > > monitor
> > > systems. The Advanced Flight Systems ACS2002 (soon to be AF-2500)
> is
> > > the
> > > pick of the litter imho. Here's a comparison...
> > >
>
>http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/MonitorComparisons/monitorscomparison.htm
> > >
> > > You may find that it ends up cheaper given the other instruments
> you
> > > don't
> > > have to buy.
> > >
> > > Randy Lervold
> > > RV-3, fuselage
> > > RV-8, sold
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Dynon announces new graphical engine monitor Jan. 14th... EMS-D10 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "jacklockamy" <jacklockamy@verizon.net>
Although Dynon is not accepting orders just yet, their new engine monitor looks
like "the ticket". Should look great mounted alongside (or underneath) the Dynon
EFIS. Also, the price looks very competive to some of the other graphical
engine monitors on the market. And it will take up very little space.
Click on the link to view the announcement:
http://www.dynondevelopment.com/docs/EMS-D10/EMS_Overview.html
NOTE: I am not affiliated with Dynon in any way. I have an EFIS-D10 mounted and
really appreciate their outstanding customer support.
Jack Lockamy
Camarillo, CA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Large connector thru firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> I'll need a 1.5" hole to get them through. Once they are
> through they are normal sized wire bundles.
Randy, can you make two SS sheet metal pieces which overlap? Hard to
describe with words, but imagine this: cut a circle of the SS (can get from
McMaster) about 2.25" in diameter, cut a hole in the middle large enough for
the wire-only grommet, then cut a slot just wide enough for the wire bundle,
from this smaller hole to an edge. The second piece would overlap the slot.
Done appropriately, it should mount up with two, maybe three screws.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A 569 hours (supposed to get above zero tomorrow, finally)
Maple Grove, MN
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
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--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
Would anyone have the installation manual in PDF for a GNC300xl handy?
Weasel -4 (just back from LAL)
brooksville ms
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
Try this link to ACS for heated pitot only for experimental use. Part @
10-01022 12 volt $398.00 still high but better than nothing and better than
$900. This is the L shaped variety. Have been told that you can find them
in aircraft junkyards for less than $100 but have had no luck.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/homepitot.php
If anyone knows a reason why this would be inappropriate, please holler as I
am planning on putting one in my 7.
Bill Schlatterer
7a QB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gar Pessel
Subject: RV-List: heated pitot
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gar Pessel" <pessel@ptialaska.net>
I had wanted to put a heated pitot in the 9A I am building. I saw the
letter from Gretz Aero in the archives, and was thinking of getting the
Gretz mounting kit and the GA1000 probe if it becomes available. I have
been unable to contact Gretz, either by phone or email. I do not want to
buy the $900 plus probe from Aircraft Spruce. Does anyone know of other
options, mounting kits, etc.
Gar Pessel Fairbanks, AK building on and happily flying a 6, once it warms
up again.
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| Subject: | Re: Orlando RV forced landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
It's not really that uncommon, unless you are talking about being able
to hit a jet at altitude. If you loiter at low altitude around rural
agriculturally productive areas, you might acquire one yourself. For
context, find & listen to 'Copperhead Road' by country singer Steve Earle.
Charlie
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Maureen & Bob Christensen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
>
>Can't believe that hasn't made the national news!!
>
>Bob
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Orlando RV forced landing
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
>>>
>>>
><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>
>>>I believe the government has the day off. So check tomorrow here.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm
>>>
>>>
>>Ok, not necessarily rv-related, but did you see THIS one? I wonder why I
>>didn't hear about this on the news?
>>
>>http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/F_0113_N.txt
>>
>>...snip...
>>DESCRIPTION
>> ACFT ON APPROACH TO LAND, LOST ALL HYDRAULICS, DIVERTED AND AFTER
>>
>>
>LANDING,
>
>
>> FOUND A BULLET HOLE IN THE WING, MINNEAPOLIS, MN
>>...snip...
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>--
>>Jamie D. Painter
>>RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
>>http://rv.jpainter.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: static ports |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
Putting mine high center fuse to make them self draining as well. Low spot
is the static port. Someone else recommended this and I only assume that it
will work OK. Seems like it should.
Bill S
7a
Arkansas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Schrimmer
Subject: RV-List: Re: static ports
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer@pacbell.net>
Kevin's explanation for putting the T midpoint between
the two ports makes sense, yet the plans for the 7 and
9 have the T on one side. Since I'm just about to
install my pop rivet static system, does anyone have
any comments about which location is better?
Thanks,
Mark
Irvine, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Large connector thru firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: mark manda <mark2nite@yahoo.com>
There were quite a few posts on this subject on one of
the groups a week ago. I like the eye balls but one
guy had picts of lightweight flanges and short pipe
made out of railing for the handicapped. i.e. shower
support rails. looked pretty good.
mark
p.s. now i know who to call if I need to figure out
where the six wires on the LASAR go.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John D. Heath" <alto_q@direcway.com>
Try this link
http://www.garmin.com/manuals/GNC300TSOGPS_COMM_InstallationManual.pdf I
think it's the one you need.
John D.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <smoothweasel@juno.com>
Subject: RV-List: GNC300xl
> --> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
>
> Would anyone have the installation manual in PDF for a GNC300xl handy?
>
> Weasel -4 (just back from LAL)
>
> brooksville ms
>
> do not archive
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>
>
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| Subject: | RV8 windscreen for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
Posting for a friend. Van's RV8 windscreen for sale. Asking $50 plus postage.
Contact off list at: cloudchasers73768@hotmail.com
Jerry Calvert
N296JC RV6
Edmond Ok
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| Subject: | Re: Orlando RV forced landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
I'll take an idiot with a laser pointer over an idiot with
a deer rifle any day.
Mickey
> It's not really that uncommon, unless you are talking about being able
> to hit a jet at altitude. If you loiter at low altitude around rural
> agriculturally productive areas, you might acquire one yourself. For
> context, find & listen to 'Copperhead Road' by country singer Steve Earle.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 Wiring
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| Subject: | Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Jones" <stan.jones@xtra.co.nz>
I'm with you Steve. Very comfortable behind the old "Steam Gauges". These
young Bucks that enjoy the electrons flying around,
I don't understand. Some of the posts about technical things I just delete.
It's a bugger not being up with the play.
When I look at my old fashioned six stack, I know just what is going on. I
have however, gone with the ACS 2002 in my 7.
It is right up there in price, but it is quality, and monitors all the
engine functions. You will hear when your engine stops, but flying
your aircraft to a sucessful conclusion is the thing that matters.
Stan.
-------Original Message-------
From: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden <steve_slayden@yahoo.com>
This may sound a little odd, but I still like the looks of the
old-style round analog instrumets. I don't want a glass cockpit (well
most days). I wish the ACS CPU could drive analog instrument heads
while still providing the alarms and recording capabilities.
I'm inclined to buy all analog engine instruments and the UBG-16 and
fuel totalizer for the simple cosmetics of it. The same goes for the
primary flight instruments. The price difference between old style and
new is not that much. And for what you get with the new stuff (ACS,
Dynon), it's a better deal.
Although I've never flown behind an ACS or Dynon unit. Has anyone
wished they had thier old-style instruments and guages? Even a little?
Or does it depend on the plane. Keep the old-style instruments and
guages for the cubs and champs?
Slayden
RV8 Fuse
--- Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
> > I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320
> > and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700
> > vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price
> > through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the
> > aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is
> > no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would
> > be fine with me, but I'd like your insights...
>
> You might want to consider one of the more comprehensive engine
> monitor
> systems. The Advanced Flight Systems ACS2002 (soon to be AF-2500) is
> the
> pick of the litter imho. Here's a comparison...
>
http://www.advanced-control-systems
com/MonitorComparisons/monitorscomparison.htm
>
> You may find that it ends up cheaper given the other instruments you
> don't
> have to buy.
>
> Randy Lervold
> RV-3, fuselage
> RV-8, sold
>
>
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