---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/17/05: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:09 AM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Jim Jewell) 2. 12:31 AM - Re: heated pitot (Jim Jewell) 3. 05:56 AM - Re: Shutdown problems and fuel selector valve (Dean Pichon) 4. 06:21 AM - Re: heated pitot (Jamie Painter) 5. 06:57 AM - Re: heated pitot (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com) 6. 07:30 AM - Orlando RV forced landing (richard dudley) 7. 07:56 AM - Re: Wing walk material (Scott Bilinski) 8. 08:37 AM - Washington, DC RV Hanger. (Eric Parlow) 9. 08:55 AM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Dave Bristol) 10. 09:13 AM - Re: heated pitot (Jeff Dowling) 11. 09:25 AM - Re: heated pitot (Bryan Hooks) 12. 09:26 AM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 13. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: static ports (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 14. 09:41 AM - Re: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A (Darwin N. Barrie) 15. 09:55 AM - Weekend Trip... (Bill VonDane) 16. 10:22 AM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Scott Bilinski) 17. 10:58 AM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Steve Slayden) 18. 11:49 AM - Re: Shutdown problems and fuel selector valve (Mike Robertson) 19. 01:00 PM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Jamie Painter) 20. 01:01 PM - Large connector thru firewall (Randy Lervold) 21. 01:15 PM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI (Scott Bilinski) 22. 01:32 PM - Re: heated pitot (glaesers) 23. 03:12 PM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Scott Bilinski) 24. 03:18 PM - Re: Large connector thru firewall (J. Rion Bourgeois) 25. 03:27 PM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Bill VonDane) 26. 04:39 PM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Maureen & Bob Christensen) 27. 05:50 PM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Steve Slayden) 28. 06:12 PM - Dynon announces new graphical engine monitor Jan. 14th... EMS-D10 (jacklockamy) 29. 06:28 PM - Re: Large connector thru firewall (Alex Peterson) 30. 07:28 PM - GNC300xl (smoothweasel@juno.com) 31. 07:44 PM - Re: heated pitot (Bill Schlatterer) 32. 07:44 PM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Charlie England) 33. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: static ports (Bill Schlatterer) 34. 08:11 PM - Re: Large connector thru firewall (mark manda) 35. 09:00 PM - Re: GNC300xl (John D. Heath) 36. 09:31 PM - RV8 windscreen for sale (Jerry Calvert) 37. 11:03 PM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Mickey Coggins) 38. 11:27 PM - Re: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M (Stan Jones) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:31 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Joe, Check out Dynon's Recent (Jan.14) announcement re-engine monitor http://www.dynondevelopment.com/index.html Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > > Are you stuck on using either of those?? There are a couple other > solutions > which are cheaper and offer more functionality such as the EIS from GRT of > the Rocky Mountain Engine monitor. > > If you add up the high price ($1200+) and the relatively small amount of > functionality (both are basically a CHT and/or EGT instrument) coupled to > the fact that you still have to buy a bunch of other engine instruments > anyway, why not spend less and get more functionality anyway. > > You don't see many of these in "new" experimentals for the above reasons. > The complete graphical engine monitor solutions available to the > experimental market are so for advanced and beyond what those two > instruments are for the price. > > Just my 2 cents as usual, I'm not much help to your original question and > I > apologize for that. Personally, I wouldn't use either one. If I had to, > I'd avoid JPI for personal reasons (well documented past company policies > towards certain individuals) at all cost. If I were forced to choose, I'd > choose the EI solutions just based on principle alone. > > Cheers, > Stein Bruch > RV6's, Minneapolis > > Do Not Archive (not much worth archiving in my response) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joe & Jan > Connell > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Joe & Jan Connell" > > Greetings, > > I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320 > and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700 > vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price > through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the > aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is > no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would > be fine with me, but I'd like your insights... > > Thanks... > > Joe Connell, RV-9A, N95JJ, finishing > Stewartville, MN > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:22 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: heated pitot --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi Gar, I have a Cessna heated pitot that I bought a while back at a wrecker. It will be used in place of the Dynon heated Pitot that I hope will come into production soon. Dynon already produces the non heated model that I think will be upgradeable to heated type by adding the heater when it comes available. Dynons stated price for the unheated pitot is $199.00 http://www.dynondevelopment.com/index.html I took a look at how Cessna approached the mounting issue. I built my own mounting bracket section for the Cessna unit. Rocket science does not apply here. I hand formed mine out of .032 sheet material and had a friend weld the parts. The outcome is quite satisfactory and should also fit the newer Dynon unit. Hand drawn picture available. Photos also. I expect that the serviceable used units will be few and far between now that the new unit prices have skyrocketed. The used prices will likely be reflecting today's new unit pricing by now. $900.00!, It is hard to believe that the cost of an already existing and in production design heated pitot could jump that much. Maybe that's in "monopoly" money?!{[;-` Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gar Pessel" Subject: RV-List: heated pitot > --> RV-List message posted by: "Gar Pessel" > > I had wanted to put a heated pitot in the 9A I am building. I saw the > letter from Gretz Aero in the archives, and was thinking of getting the > Gretz mounting kit and the GA1000 probe if it becomes available. I have > been unable to contact Gretz, either by phone or email. I do not want to > buy the $900 plus probe from Aircraft Spruce. Does anyone know of other > options, mounting kits, etc. > > Gar Pessel Fairbanks, AK building on and happily flying a 6, once it > warms up again. > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:11 AM PST US From: "Dean Pichon" Subject: RE: RV-List: Shutdown problems and fuel selector valve --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" I have an Airflow Performance system in my -4 and use an Andair fuel selector to control the fuel flow. Although I do not shut down the engine with the Andair valve, I do know that in the OFF position, it allows no flow. For what it's worth, I have the purge valve option in my aircraft and have had no problems for the 3 years I have been flying my plane. Dean RV-4 Bolton, MA ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jason Sneed Subject: RV-List: Shutdown problems and fuel selector valve --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed I have been having trouble shutting down my engine, the first case I had was a slipping mixture cable but now the engine does not stop at idle cut off and when the prop does stop it just starts turning the opposite direction. so I finally removed the fuel control servo and I am shipping it back to airflow performance. I spoke with the builder of my airplane and he mentioned he had the same problem shutting down at one point and he just would turn the fuel selector to off and when the engine began to starve he would shutdown and the engine would quit. so, I tried this approach before I removed the servo and no joy, the engine would stumble but not quit. I pushed the plane in the hangar and the fuel inlet hose and the outlet hose were both hanging from the engine.... Hummmm, I turned the fuel selector to off and hit the boost pump. Sure enough fuel was pouring out of the hose I let about a 1/2 gallon run out to make sure it was really pumping fuel from the tanks... My question is.... Is this normal? I would think that if you turn the fuel selector to off then no fuel would go past the firewall. Don at airflow wants to sell me a purge valve but I really do not want to go that route because most people say it is really for hot starts not shutting down. Plus, I like to find the root of a problem not just spending more money to take care of a problem by added heavy expensive stuff. Any and all comment welcome! Jason Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: heated pitot From: "Jamie Painter" --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" > I have a Cessna heated pitot that I bought a while back at a wrecker. It > will be used in place of the Dynon heated Pitot that I hope will come into > production soon. Dynon already produces the non heated model that I think > will be upgradeable to heated type by adding the heater when it comes > available. > Dynons stated price for the unheated pitot is $199.00 > http://www.dynondevelopment.com/index.html > > I took a look at how Cessna approached the mounting issue. I built my own > mounting bracket section for the Cessna unit. Rocket science does not apply > here. I hand formed mine out of .032 sheet material and had a friend weld > the parts. The outcome is quite satisfactory and should also fit the newer > Dynon unit. I too decided that I would use a Cessna pitot instead of shelling out $900.00 bucks for a pretty one. Getting the pitot to fit the Gretz mount is trivial. There's basically a stair-step toward the top of the pitot that needs to be lengthened about .125 inches or so. You'll also need to file down just a bit of 'diameter' from the stair-step to make it work. Here are some pictures: http://rv.jpainter.org/?view=entry&date=2004-10-20 And here's a shot of it temporarily mounted on the wing. http://rv.jpainter.org/images/2004-12-18.401.jpeg The only concern I have about this is the length of the mount. It seems *really* long. Does anyone monitoring the list have any recommendations on shortening the pitot? Is this a bad move that will lead to unpredictable results? Thanks, Jamie -- Jamie D. Painter RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved) http://rv.jpainter.org ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:32 AM PST US From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: heated pitot --> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com In a message dated 1/16/2005 9:37:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, pessel@ptialaska.net writes: I had wanted to put a heated pitot in the 9A I am building. I saw the letter from Gretz Aero in the archives, and was thinking of getting the Gretz mounting kit and the GA1000 probe if it becomes available. I have been unable to contact Gretz, either by phone or email. I do not want to buy the $900 plus probe from Aircraft Spruce. Does anyone know of other options, mounting kits, etc. I have ordered a part from Gretz within the last month and received it, so he is in business. He advised he is working on the heated pitot and should be available soon (?) at a reasonable price. He has moved and getting settled in at the new location. Don't have that # handy right now. Good luck. Doug Preston RV-7A Wiring. DO NOT ARCHIVE. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:53 AM PST US From: richard dudley Subject: RV-List: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: richard dudley Listers, Last evening on Local 6 WKMG Orlando they reported an RV-6 made a successful forced landing enroute from Lakeland to Sanford. It did not appear in this morning's Sentinel. Does anyone have any more information? Do not archive RHDudley ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:49 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing walk material --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski I used the 3M anti slip stuff, which is made from rubber material. The down side is it is about .040 thick and comes in 4" wide roll so you have to double up. The good side is it will never wear out. The standard sand paper type stuff, well I think it is no good. While working on the plane in the summer I was getting in and out of the cockpit many times on a hot day and the adhesive that holds the sand in place softened and came up. Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:05 AM PST US From: "Eric Parlow" Subject: RV-List: Washington, DC RV Hanger. --> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" We have tickets to the Inauguration this Thur. We want to fly in on Wed night and out Thur night. Any suggestion on where to fly into given the TFRs? Any chance I could get a hanger for the RV nearby? ERic-- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:39 AM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M clamav-milter version 0.80j on zoot.lafn.org --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol Besides the political problems which were very unfortunate, the EDM-700 is a great instrument. and of course, now we'll have to blackball Vision Microsystems as well, since they just announced a merger with JPI. Where will it ever end? 8>) Dave do not archive Terry Watson wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" > >Some of us with long memories wouldn't buy a free lunch from JPI, but it's >your problem only if you choose to make it yours. Check the archives back a >few years to see what they tried to do to our man Matt and his Matronics. > >Terry > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:54 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: heated pitot --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" I have the Gretz mount and it works fine with a Cessna pitot tube. Gretz told me about 15 months ago he would have a heated pitot tube soon so if you're getting close to finishing, I would try to get a solid date from him or get something else. Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 150 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: heated pitot > --> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com > > > In a message dated 1/16/2005 9:37:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, > pessel@ptialaska.net writes: > > I had wanted to put a heated pitot in the 9A I am building. I saw the > letter from Gretz Aero in the archives, and was thinking of getting the > Gretz > mounting kit and the GA1000 probe if it becomes available. I have been > unable > to contact Gretz, either by phone or email. I do not want to buy the > $900 > plus probe from Aircraft Spruce. Does anyone know of other options, > mounting > kits, etc. > > > I have ordered a part from Gretz within the last month and received it, > so > he is in business. He advised he is working on the heated pitot and > should be > available soon (?) at a reasonable price. He has moved and getting > settled in > at the new location. Don't have that # handy right now. > Good luck. > Doug Preston > RV-7A Wiring. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE. > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:47 AM PST US From: "Bryan Hooks" Subject: RE: RV-List: heated pitot --> RV-List message posted by: "Bryan Hooks" Hopefully this is true, but he told me the same thing almost 2 years ago...and still...not heated pitot. I would love to save some money by buying his pitot and support someone providing products to us at reasonable prices. I just don't know if he's gonna provide that opportunity before my kit is flying. I'll keep watching though. If anyone here's different, please let us all know. Bryan Hooks RV7A, slowbuild Knoxville, TN DO NOT ARCHIVE. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: heated pitot --> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com In a message dated 1/16/2005 9:37:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, pessel@ptialaska.net writes: I had wanted to put a heated pitot in the 9A I am building. I saw the letter from Gretz Aero in the archives, and was thinking of getting the Gretz mounting kit and the GA1000 probe if it becomes available. I have been unable to contact Gretz, either by phone or email. I do not want to buy the $900 plus probe from Aircraft Spruce. Does anyone know of other options, mounting kits, etc. I have ordered a part from Gretz within the last month and received it, so he is in business. He advised he is working on the heated pitot and should be available soon (?) at a reasonable price. He has moved and getting settled in at the new location. Don't have that # handy right now. Good luck. Doug Preston RV-7A Wiring. DO NOT ARCHIVE. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:10 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Hi Joe, I'm using the UBG. I'm not sure if its the same as you are asking about, but it is a 2 inch bar graph (orange display) with 4 EGT's, 4 CHT's and OAT. It does log data, but I have never used that feature. I had to use a separate dimmer control (which came with it) which doesn't work real well (not much range), because it is not compatible with my other lights, but that's not much of a problem really. If you are like me and have a basic low-tech panel, I think it is an OK way to go. Support has been good. I sent the original EGT probes back to EI and got the quick response ones. Later I needed some more terminals to shorten up the wiring, and EI sent them no charge. They were very good to deal with. Dan Hopper Walton, IN RV-7A (Flying since July) In a message dated 1/16/05 8:05:16 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time, jconnell@rconnect.com writes: Greetings, I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320 and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700 vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would be fine with me, but I'd like your insights... Thanks... Joe Connell, RV-9A, N95JJ, finishing Stewartville, MN ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:00 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: static ports --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com In a message dated 1/17/05 12:52:31 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time, m schrimmer@pacbell.net writes: --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Schrimmer Kevin's explanation for putting the T midpoint between the two ports makes sense, yet the plans for the 7 and 9 have the T on one side. Since I'm just about to install my pop rivet static system, does anyone have any comments about which location is better? Thanks, Mark Irvine, CA Mark, I put the T in the center with equal lengths of tubing on each side. It may not matter because the holes in the static ports are much smaller than the tubing which connects them to the T. Still, its easy to relocate the T to the top of the bulkhead. Dan Hopper Walton, IN RV-7A (Flying) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:32 AM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: Re: RV-List: How to Rebuild an 200hp IO 360 A1A --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" Gary released the company name. As I said in the beginning there are many good one in Canada, Aerosport being one of them. Regarding Crossflow we have documented several similar business dealings that would fall into a trend or pattern. I believe a reputable company, like Aerosport, probably discloses any potential "other" charges that might be incurred. Had I known I was going to get tagged with an additional $3000, that would have been a deal breaker for sure. The Canadian aviators that I have met have been great, especially the RV guys. In summary, my point wasn't to condemn Canada in anyway but to make US buyers aware that you can and will get slapped with some potentially heavy additional costs. If we were to survey the list I believe there would be a healthy volume of members that didn't know. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:47 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Weekend Trip... vansairforce --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Hey All... I am planning a short trip this weekend from 00V (Colorado Springs) to HUT (Hutchinson, KS) Saturday night, and then to LNK (Lincoln, NE) Sunday night... Would be interested in any hangar space that may be available in these areas... Thanks! -Bill VonDane RV-8A - Colorado www.rv8a.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:39 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski I believe the government has the day off. So check tomorrow here. http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm At 09:12 AM 1/17/2005 -0500, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: richard dudley > >Listers, >Last evening on Local 6 WKMG Orlando they reported an RV-6 made a >successful forced landing enroute from Lakeland to Sanford. It did not >appear in this morning's Sentinel. Does anyone have any more information? > >Do not archive > >RHDudley > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:10 AM PST US From: Steve Slayden Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden This may sound a little odd, but I still like the looks of the old-style round analog instrumets. I don't want a glass cockpit (well most days). I wish the ACS CPU could drive analog instrument heads while still providing the alarms and recording capabilities. I'm inclined to buy all analog engine instruments and the UBG-16 and fuel totalizer for the simple cosmetics of it. The same goes for the primary flight instruments. The price difference between old style and new is not that much. And for what you get with the new stuff (ACS, Dynon), it's a better deal. Although I've never flown behind an ACS or Dynon unit. Has anyone wished they had thier old-style instruments and guages? Even a little? Or does it depend on the plane. Keep the old-style instruments and guages for the cubs and champs? Slayden RV8 Fuse --- Randy Lervold wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320 > > and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700 > > vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price > > through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the > > aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is > > no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would > > be fine with me, but I'd like your insights... > > You might want to consider one of the more comprehensive engine > monitor > systems. The Advanced Flight Systems ACS2002 (soon to be AF-2500) is > the > pick of the litter imho. Here's a comparison... > http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/MonitorComparisons/monitorscomparison.htm > > You may find that it ends up cheaper given the other instruments you > don't > have to buy. > > Randy Lervold > RV-3, fuselage > RV-8, sold > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:22 AM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Shutdown problems and fuel selector valve --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" Jason, Actually if you have an airflow performance you really should have the purge/shutoff valve. The Airflow design keeps the mixture valve from totally seating during shutdown. That way the valve won't get hammered. Teh purge valve is not just for hot starting. It is also used for shutdown. I just leave the mixture in whatever position and shut the engine down with the purge valve. I also circulate the fuel before starting to get any air bubbles out of the system, whether it is cold or hot. Works great. And we have not had any problems at all with it. Mike Robertson >From: Jason Sneed >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Shutdown problems and fuel selector valve >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:06:39 -0600 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed > >I have been having trouble shutting down my engine, the first case I >had was a slipping mixture cable but now the engine does not stop at >idle cut off and when the prop does stop it just starts turning the >opposite direction. so I finally removed the fuel control servo and I >am shipping it back to airflow performance. I spoke with the builder of >my airplane and he mentioned he had the same problem shutting down at >one point and he just would turn the fuel selector to off and when the >engine began to starve he would shutdown and the engine would quit. > >so, I tried this approach before I removed the servo and no joy, the >engine would stumble but not quit. I pushed the plane in the hangar and >the fuel inlet hose and the outlet hose were both hanging from the >engine.... Hummmm, I turned the fuel selector to off and hit the boost >pump. Sure enough fuel was pouring out of the hose I let about a 1/2 >gallon run out to make sure it was really pumping fuel from the >tanks... > >My question is.... Is this normal? I would think that if you turn the >fuel selector to off then no fuel would go past the firewall. > >Don at airflow wants to sell me a purge valve but I really do not want >to go that route because most people say it is really for hot starts >not shutting down. Plus, I like to find the root of a problem not just >spending more money to take care of a problem by added heavy expensive >stuff. > >Any and all comment welcome! > >Jason > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Orlando RV forced landing From: "Jamie Painter" --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > I believe the government has the day off. So check tomorrow here. > > > http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm Ok, not necessarily rv-related, but did you see THIS one? I wonder why I didn't hear about this on the news? http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/F_0113_N.txt ...snip... DESCRIPTION ACFT ON APPROACH TO LAND, LOST ALL HYDRAULICS, DIVERTED AND AFTER LANDING, FOUND A BULLET HOLE IN THE WING, MINNEAPOLIS, MN ...snip... do not archive -- Jamie D. Painter RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved) http://rv.jpainter.org ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:57 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: RV-List: Large connector thru firewall --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" Guys, I'm afraid my LASAR brain will not fit in the very limited space on the firewall of the RV-3B I'm building. The good news is that I have plenty of space just aft of the firewall. In order to mount it aft of the firewall I'll need to pass the two magneto connectors through the firewall. Looks like I'll need a 1.5" hole to get them through. Once they are through they are normal sized wire bundles. I'm scratching my head as to a method of accomplishing this... the eyeball connectors use a 1.125" hole, those common grommet w/ss shields only go up to 1.25". Any ideas for other methods? Randy Lervold www.rv-3.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:07 PM PST US From: Scott Bilinski UBG-16-4M Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski UBG-16-4M My 2$ (could not find the cent symbol) opinion is that how can you afford not to know what is going on in your $20K plus engine? A engine monitor will find problems before you do, allowing more time to hopefully land safely. I have the VM-1000 and love it. Its about 9 instruments in one, and saves large amounts of panel space. In cruise mode it can watch the engine for you and let you know when anything changes more than ???? 5%. This is a great function for the longer trips. I am not pushing the VM-1000, but I am pushing a engine monitor, I think it is a must have with no good excuses not to have one. At 09:40 AM 1/17/2005 -0800, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden > >This may sound a little odd, but I still like the looks of the >old-style round analog instrumets. I don't want a glass cockpit (well >most days). I wish the ACS CPU could drive analog instrument heads >while still providing the alarms and recording capabilities. > >I'm inclined to buy all analog engine instruments and the UBG-16 and >fuel totalizer for the simple cosmetics of it. The same goes for the >primary flight instruments. The price difference between old style and >new is not that much. And for what you get with the new stuff (ACS, >Dynon), it's a better deal. > >Although I've never flown behind an ACS or Dynon unit. Has anyone >wished they had thier old-style instruments and guages? Even a little? > >Or does it depend on the plane. Keep the old-style instruments and >guages for the cubs and champs? > >Slayden >RV8 Fuse > >--- Randy Lervold wrote: > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > > > I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320 > > > and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700 > > > vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price > > > through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the > > > aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is > > > no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would > > > be fine with me, but I'd like your insights... > > > > You might want to consider one of the more comprehensive engine > > monitor > > systems. The Advanced Flight Systems ACS2002 (soon to be AF-2500) is > > the > > pick of the litter imho. Here's a comparison... > > >http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/MonitorComparisons/monitorscomparison.htm > > > > You may find that it ends up cheaper given the other instruments you > > don't > > have to buy. > > > > Randy Lervold > > RV-3, fuselage > > RV-8, sold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:26 PM PST US From: "glaesers" Subject: RV-List: RE: heated pitot --> RV-List message posted by: "glaesers" I found a used Cessna heated pitot on eBay for less than $150. There are some listed there now (search on 'heated pitot'). Dennis Glaeser ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:52 PM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski A few years back I heard about a T-6 with at least one bullet hole in it. I think that was in east Los Angeles, Riverside area. At 02:53 PM 1/17/2005 -0500, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > > > > I believe the government has the day off. So check tomorrow here. > > > > > > http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm > >Ok, not necessarily rv-related, but did you see THIS one? I wonder why I >didn't hear about this on the news? > >http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/F_0113_N.txt > >...snip... >DESCRIPTION > ACFT ON APPROACH TO LAND, LOST ALL HYDRAULICS, DIVERTED AND AFTER LANDING, > FOUND A BULLET HOLE IN THE WING, MINNEAPOLIS, MN >...snip... > >do not archive > >-- >Jamie D. Painter >RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved) >http://rv.jpainter.org > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:49 PM PST US From: "J. Rion Bourgeois" Subject: Re: RV-List: Large connector thru firewall --> RV-List message posted by: "J. Rion Bourgeois" If the leads are long enough, you could put them through the side of the fuselage under one of the cowl cheek enxtensions, and not cut the holes in your firewall. This is what I did for the coax cable for my LSI system, even though I could have gone through the firewall. You may be able to find some rubber grommets to fill a 1.5" hole. If not, you could fabricate a removable two-piece patch out of aluminum to cover the large hole, but with a smaller hole for the grommet. Rion ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: RV-List: Large connector thru firewall > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > Guys, > I'm afraid my LASAR brain will not fit in the very limited space on the > firewall of the RV-3B I'm building. The good news is that I have plenty of > space just aft of the firewall. In order to mount it aft of the firewall > I'll need to pass the two magneto connectors through the firewall. Looks > like I'll need a 1.5" hole to get them through. Once they are through they > are normal sized wire bundles. I'm scratching my head as to a method of > accomplishing this... the eyeball connectors use a 1.125" hole, those > common > grommet w/ss shields only go up to 1.25". Any ideas for other methods? > > Randy Lervold > www.rv-3.com > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:28 PM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane My IA buddy told me not to fool with all that engine monitoring stuff... He said "you don't want to know what's going on in there, if you did, you wouldn't fly behind one!"... toung-in-cheek of course... -Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Bilinski UBG-16-4M" Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski UBG-16-4M My 2$ (could not find the cent symbol) opinion is that how can you afford not to know what is going on in your $20K plus engine? A engine monitor will find problems before you do, allowing more time to hopefully land safely. I have the VM-1000 and love it. Its about 9 instruments in one, and saves large amounts of panel space. In cruise mode it can watch the engine for you and let you know when anything changes more than ???? 5%. This is a great function for the longer trips. I am not pushing the VM-1000, but I am pushing a engine monitor, I think it is a must have with no good excuses not to have one. At 09:40 AM 1/17/2005 -0800, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden > >This may sound a little odd, but I still like the looks of the >old-style round analog instrumets. I don't want a glass cockpit (well >most days). I wish the ACS CPU could drive analog instrument heads >while still providing the alarms and recording capabilities. > >I'm inclined to buy all analog engine instruments and the UBG-16 and >fuel totalizer for the simple cosmetics of it. The same goes for the >primary flight instruments. The price difference between old style and >new is not that much. And for what you get with the new stuff (ACS, >Dynon), it's a better deal. > >Although I've never flown behind an ACS or Dynon unit. Has anyone >wished they had thier old-style instruments and guages? Even a little? > >Or does it depend on the plane. Keep the old-style instruments and >guages for the cubs and champs? > >Slayden >RV8 Fuse > >--- Randy Lervold wrote: > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > > > I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320 > > > and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700 > > > vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price > > > through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the > > > aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is > > > no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would > > > be fine with me, but I'd like your insights... > > > > You might want to consider one of the more comprehensive engine > > monitor > > systems. The Advanced Flight Systems ACS2002 (soon to be AF-2500) is > > the > > pick of the litter imho. Here's a comparison... > > >http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/MonitorComparisons/monitorscomparison.htm > > > > You may find that it ends up cheaper given the other instruments you > > don't > > have to buy. > > > > Randy Lervold > > RV-3, fuselage > > RV-8, sold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:28 PM PST US From: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" Can't believe that hasn't made the national news!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Painter" Subject: Re: RV-List: Orlando RV forced landing > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > > > I believe the government has the day off. So check tomorrow here. > > > > > > http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm > > Ok, not necessarily rv-related, but did you see THIS one? I wonder why I > didn't hear about this on the news? > > http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/F_0113_N.txt > > ...snip... > DESCRIPTION > ACFT ON APPROACH TO LAND, LOST ALL HYDRAULICS, DIVERTED AND AFTER LANDING, > FOUND A BULLET HOLE IN THE WING, MINNEAPOLIS, MN > ...snip... > > do not archive > > -- > Jamie D. Painter > RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved) > http://rv.jpainter.org > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:19 PM PST US From: Steve Slayden Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden I definitely want an engine monitor. The UBG-16 has everything I need except separate displays for oil press, oil temp, fuel press, volts and amps. I'd have to hook up two transducers to get the annunciators and individual readouts. Yuck. So I'm stuck with having to fly behind a computer-game-looking screen, dual transducers for some engine instruments, figure out how to build an alarm feeding off of standard instrument gages or no alarm/annunciators. Dag nabit! --- Bill VonDane wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane > > My IA buddy told me not to fool with all that engine monitoring > stuff... He > said "you don't want to know what's going on in there, if you did, > you > wouldn't fly behind one!"... > > toung-in-cheek of course... > > -Bill > > do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Bilinski UBG-16-4M" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI > UBG-16-4M > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > UBG-16-4M > > My 2$ (could not find the cent symbol) opinion is that how can you > afford > not to know what is going on in your $20K plus engine? A engine > monitor > will find problems before you do, allowing more time to hopefully > land > safely. I have the VM-1000 and love it. Its about 9 instruments in > one, and > saves large amounts of panel space. In cruise mode it can watch the > engine > for you and let you know when anything changes more than ???? 5%. > This is a > great function for the longer trips. I am not pushing the VM-1000, > but I am > pushing a engine monitor, I think it is a must have with no good > excuses > not to have one. > > > At 09:40 AM 1/17/2005 -0800, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden > > > > >This may sound a little odd, but I still like the looks of the > >old-style round analog instrumets. I don't want a glass cockpit > (well > >most days). I wish the ACS CPU could drive analog instrument heads > >while still providing the alarms and recording capabilities. > > > >I'm inclined to buy all analog engine instruments and the UBG-16 and > >fuel totalizer for the simple cosmetics of it. The same goes for the > >primary flight instruments. The price difference between old style > and > >new is not that much. And for what you get with the new stuff (ACS, > >Dynon), it's a better deal. > > > >Although I've never flown behind an ACS or Dynon unit. Has anyone > >wished they had thier old-style instruments and guages? Even a > little? > > > >Or does it depend on the plane. Keep the old-style instruments and > >guages for the cubs and champs? > > > >Slayden > >RV8 Fuse > > > >--- Randy Lervold wrote: > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > > > > > > I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320 > > > > and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700 > > > > vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price > > > > through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the > > > > aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is > > > > no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would > > > > be fine with me, but I'd like your insights... > > > > > > You might want to consider one of the more comprehensive engine > > > monitor > > > systems. The Advanced Flight Systems ACS2002 (soon to be AF-2500) > is > > > the > > > pick of the litter imho. Here's a comparison... > > > > >http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/MonitorComparisons/monitorscomparison.htm > > > > > > You may find that it ends up cheaper given the other instruments > you > > > don't > > > have to buy. > > > > > > Randy Lervold > > > RV-3, fuselage > > > RV-8, sold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott Bilinski > Eng dept 305 > Phone (858) 657-2536 > Pager (858) 502-5190 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:50 PM PST US From: "jacklockamy" Subject: RV-List: Dynon announces new graphical engine monitor Jan. 14th... EMS-D10 --> RV-List message posted by: "jacklockamy" Although Dynon is not accepting orders just yet, their new engine monitor looks like "the ticket". Should look great mounted alongside (or underneath) the Dynon EFIS. Also, the price looks very competive to some of the other graphical engine monitors on the market. And it will take up very little space. Click on the link to view the announcement: http://www.dynondevelopment.com/docs/EMS-D10/EMS_Overview.html NOTE: I am not affiliated with Dynon in any way. I have an EFIS-D10 mounted and really appreciate their outstanding customer support. Jack Lockamy Camarillo, CA DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:11 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Large connector thru firewall --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > I'll need a 1.5" hole to get them through. Once they are > through they are normal sized wire bundles. Randy, can you make two SS sheet metal pieces which overlap? Hard to describe with words, but imagine this: cut a circle of the SS (can get from McMaster) about 2.25" in diameter, cut a hole in the middle large enough for the wire-only grommet, then cut a slot just wide enough for the wire bundle, from this smaller hole to an edge. The second piece would overlap the slot. Done appropriately, it should mount up with two, maybe three screws. Alex Peterson RV6-A 569 hours (supposed to get above zero tomorrow, finally) Maple Grove, MN http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/ ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:11 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: GNC300xl From: smoothweasel@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com Would anyone have the installation manual in PDF for a GNC300xl handy? Weasel -4 (just back from LAL) brooksville ms do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:19 PM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RE: RV-List: heated pitot --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" Try this link to ACS for heated pitot only for experimental use. Part @ 10-01022 12 volt $398.00 still high but better than nothing and better than $900. This is the L shaped variety. Have been told that you can find them in aircraft junkyards for less than $100 but have had no luck. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/homepitot.php If anyone knows a reason why this would be inappropriate, please holler as I am planning on putting one in my 7. Bill Schlatterer 7a QB -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gar Pessel Subject: RV-List: heated pitot --> RV-List message posted by: "Gar Pessel" I had wanted to put a heated pitot in the 9A I am building. I saw the letter from Gretz Aero in the archives, and was thinking of getting the Gretz mounting kit and the GA1000 probe if it becomes available. I have been unable to contact Gretz, either by phone or email. I do not want to buy the $900 plus probe from Aircraft Spruce. Does anyone know of other options, mounting kits, etc. Gar Pessel Fairbanks, AK building on and happily flying a 6, once it warms up again. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:24 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England It's not really that uncommon, unless you are talking about being able to hit a jet at altitude. If you loiter at low altitude around rural agriculturally productive areas, you might acquire one yourself. For context, find & listen to 'Copperhead Road' by country singer Steve Earle. Charlie do not archive Maureen & Bob Christensen wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" > >Can't believe that hasn't made the national news!! > >Bob > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jamie Painter" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Orlando RV forced landing > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" >> >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski >>> >>> > > > >>>I believe the government has the day off. So check tomorrow here. >>> >>> >>>http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm >>> >>> >>Ok, not necessarily rv-related, but did you see THIS one? I wonder why I >>didn't hear about this on the news? >> >>http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/F_0113_N.txt >> >>...snip... >>DESCRIPTION >> ACFT ON APPROACH TO LAND, LOST ALL HYDRAULICS, DIVERTED AND AFTER >> >> >LANDING, > > >> FOUND A BULLET HOLE IN THE WING, MINNEAPOLIS, MN >>...snip... >> >>do not archive >> >>-- >>Jamie D. Painter >>RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved) >>http://rv.jpainter.org >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:16 PM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: static ports --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" Putting mine high center fuse to make them self draining as well. Low spot is the static port. Someone else recommended this and I only assume that it will work OK. Seems like it should. Bill S 7a Arkansas -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Schrimmer Subject: RV-List: Re: static ports --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Schrimmer Kevin's explanation for putting the T midpoint between the two ports makes sense, yet the plans for the 7 and 9 have the T on one side. Since I'm just about to install my pop rivet static system, does anyone have any comments about which location is better? Thanks, Mark Irvine, CA ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:40 PM PST US From: mark manda Subject: Re: RV-List: Large connector thru firewall --> RV-List message posted by: mark manda There were quite a few posts on this subject on one of the groups a week ago. I like the eye balls but one guy had picts of lightweight flanges and short pipe made out of railing for the handicapped. i.e. shower support rails. looked pretty good. mark p.s. now i know who to call if I need to figure out where the six wires on the LASAR go. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:13 PM PST US From: "John D. Heath" Subject: Re: RV-List: GNC300xl --> RV-List message posted by: "John D. Heath" Try this link http://www.garmin.com/manuals/GNC300TSOGPS_COMM_InstallationManual.pdf I think it's the one you need. John D. DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: GNC300xl > --> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com > > Would anyone have the installation manual in PDF for a GNC300xl handy? > > Weasel -4 (just back from LAL) > > brooksville ms > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:46 PM PST US From: "Jerry Calvert" Subject: RV-List: RV8 windscreen for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" Posting for a friend. Van's RV8 windscreen for sale. Asking $50 plus postage. Contact off list at: cloudchasers73768@hotmail.com Jerry Calvert N296JC RV6 Edmond Ok ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:13 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins I'll take an idiot with a laser pointer over an idiot with a deer rifle any day. Mickey > It's not really that uncommon, unless you are talking about being able > to hit a jet at altitude. If you loiter at low altitude around rural > agriculturally productive areas, you might acquire one yourself. For > context, find & listen to 'Copperhead Road' by country singer Steve Earle. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 Wiring do not archive ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:28 PM PST US From: "Stan Jones" Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M --> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Jones" I'm with you Steve. Very comfortable behind the old "Steam Gauges". These young Bucks that enjoy the electrons flying around, I don't understand. Some of the posts about technical things I just delete. It's a bugger not being up with the play. When I look at my old fashioned six stack, I know just what is going on. I have however, gone with the ACS 2002 in my 7. It is right up there in price, but it is quality, and monitors all the engine functions. You will hear when your engine stops, but flying your aircraft to a sucessful conclusion is the thing that matters. Stan. -------Original Message------- From: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Choosing an Engine Monitor JPI EDM-700 vs EI UBG-16-4M --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Slayden This may sound a little odd, but I still like the looks of the old-style round analog instrumets. I don't want a glass cockpit (well most days). I wish the ACS CPU could drive analog instrument heads while still providing the alarms and recording capabilities. I'm inclined to buy all analog engine instruments and the UBG-16 and fuel totalizer for the simple cosmetics of it. The same goes for the primary flight instruments. The price difference between old style and new is not that much. And for what you get with the new stuff (ACS, Dynon), it's a better deal. Although I've never flown behind an ACS or Dynon unit. Has anyone wished they had thier old-style instruments and guages? Even a little? Or does it depend on the plane. Keep the old-style instruments and guages for the cubs and champs? Slayden RV8 Fuse --- Randy Lervold wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > I'm building an RV-9A with an Aerosport Power O-320 > > and a FP prop. I'm trying choose between a JPI EDM-700 > > vs a EI UBG-16-4M for the engine monitor. The price > > through Chief Aircraft is almost a wash. Since all of the > > aviation mags have both of them as advertisers, there is > > no neutral party I can find to evaluate them. Either one would > > be fine with me, but I'd like your insights... > > You might want to consider one of the more comprehensive engine > monitor > systems. The Advanced Flight Systems ACS2002 (soon to be AF-2500) is > the > pick of the litter imho. Here's a comparison... > http://www.advanced-control-systems com/MonitorComparisons/monitorscomparison.htm > > You may find that it ends up cheaper given the other instruments you > don't > have to buy. > > Randy Lervold > RV-3, fuselage > RV-8, sold > >