---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/18/05: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:14 AM - Large connector thru firewall (Ron Schreck) 2. 04:42 AM - Re: Large connector thru firewall (Dean Pichon) 3. 07:19 AM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Bob Collins) 4. 07:51 AM - Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI (Doug Rozendaal) 5. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Minimum Realistic Field Length (Hull, Don) 6. 08:23 AM - Re: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI (Maureen & Bob Christensen) 7. 08:42 AM - Re: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI (Jeff Point) 8. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (JOHN STARN) 9. 09:47 AM - Re: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 10. 10:05 AM - Re: Minimum Realistic Field Length (Hull, Don) 11. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Kevin Williams) 12. 10:19 AM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Scott Bilinski) 13. 10:25 AM - Re: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI (Bill VonDane) 14. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (rv6tc) 15. 12:00 PM - Heated Pitot (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR) 16. 12:04 PM - RV's and EAA in Georgia... (Bill VonDane) 17. 01:07 PM - Re: RV's and EAA in Georgia... (ray sheffield) 18. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing N654PJ (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) 19. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Chuck Jensen) 20. 02:57 PM - Passing fire codes for hangar homes (Jeff Dowling) 21. 03:29 PM - Re: Passing fire codes for hangar homes (Kevin Williams) 22. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Kevin Williams) 23. 03:36 PM - Re: Edmonton Alberta (Kevin Williams) 24. 03:39 PM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (jim & terri truitt) 25. 03:42 PM - Re: Passing fire codes for hangar homes (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 26. 03:44 PM - Re: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI (Dana Overall) 27. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 28. 04:11 PM - Re: Passing fire codes for hangar homes (Ted Gauthier) 29. 04:12 PM - Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Tony Sustare) 30. 05:06 PM - new years celebration (linn walters) 31. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Dave Bristol) 32. 06:56 PM - Re: Passing fire codes for hangar homes (cgalley) 33. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Larry Olson) 34. 07:00 PM - Garmin iQue 3600a (Jim Jewell) 35. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Scott VanArtsdalen) 36. 08:17 PM - Re: Garmin iQue 3600a (Bud Newhall) 37. 08:50 PM - Re: Passing fire codes for hangar homes (Jeff Dowling) 38. 09:18 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing clamav-milter version 0.80j on zoot.lafn.org (Skylor Piper) 39. 10:15 PM - Re: Garmin iQue 3600a (Rob Prior) 40. 10:39 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Gregory Young) 41. 10:58 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Scott Jackson) 42. 11:08 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (JOHN STARN) 43. 11:37 PM - Re: Cooling Air (j1j2h3@juno.com) 44. 11:37 PM - Re: Leather jacket restoration (j1j2h3@juno.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:51 AM PST US From: "Ron Schreck" Subject: RV-List: Large connector thru firewall --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Schreck" Randy, I had the same problem with my dual Lightspeed EI setup. I went to the aircraft aisle at Home Depot and got a 1 1/2 inch aluminum electrical conduit connector. It has slightly over 1 1/2 inch ID and is about 1/8 inch thick casting. It has a threaded end with a large nut that will attach it to the firewall. After routing all your wires, tubes, etc., pack it with RTV and wrap the firewall end with firestop fabric and secure with two hose clamps. I am putting nearly all of my firewall forward wires through this one hole. Ron Schreck RV-8 Gold Hill Airpark, NC Time: 01:01:57 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Large connector thru firewall --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" Guys, I'm afraid my LASAR brain will not fit in the very limited space on the firewall of the RV-3B I'm building. The good news is that I have plenty of space just aft of the firewall. In order to mount it aft of the firewall I'll need to pass the two magneto connectors through the firewall. Looks like I'll need a 1.5" hole to get them through. Once they are through they are normal sized wire bundles. I'm scratching my head as to a method of accomplishing this... the eyeball connectors use a 1.125" hole, those common grommet w/ss shields only go up to 1.25". Any ideas for other methods? Randy Lervold www.rv-3.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:24 AM PST US From: "Dean Pichon" Subject: RE: RV-List: Large connector thru firewall --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" I would recommend using a bulkhead (firewall) connector. This is a little more work to install, but is provides much easier removal for subsequent maintenance/repair. Amphenol make a series of excellent bulkhead connectors. These connectors have three basic parts - a connector mounted to the firewall that accepts a plug from either side of firewall, a plug on the engine side for the Lasar engine wiring, and a plug on the pilot side of the firewall for the wires from the Lasar "brain". This technique is quite common on the Lancair series of aircraft as well as many military aircraft. Good Luck, Dean ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: RV-List: Large connector thru firewall --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" Guys, I'm afraid my LASAR brain will not fit in the very limited space on the firewall of the RV-3B I'm building. The good news is that I have plenty of space just aft of the firewall. In order to mount it aft of the firewall I'll need to pass the two magneto connectors through the firewall. Looks like I'll need a 1.5" hole to get them through. Once they are through they are normal sized wire bundles. I'm scratching my head as to a method of accomplishing this... the eyeball connectors use a 1.125" hole, those common grommet w/ss shields only go up to 1.25". Any ideas for other methods? Randy Lervold www.rv-3.com Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:16 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" We checked out this story today with the Minneapolis FSDO. Here's what one of our reporters sent me. "The FAA says the hydraulic failure and the bullet hole are unrelated. Here's another interesting bit: the hole is on the top the wing. They speculate someone fired a deer rifle in the air and the bullet struck the plane at "low energy" on the way down." "Rest of the investigation is being turned over to FBI (haven't heard back from them yet)." Regards, Bob Collins St. Paul ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:10 AM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: RV-List: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" All, I have flown the latest and greatest version of the D-10 software for about 20 hours or so and I now have the confidence in this version to rip out my vacuum system. I have been holding back because I could have easily pulled out the Dynon and replaced it with my vacuum gyro in moments. But with 18 months of experience and now that we have a good stable software package I am ready to make the leap into the land of no vacuum pump. Great Work Guys!!!!! That means the DG will go as well. I won't miss it because I have not even been setting it lately because I don't use it at all. Now for what I want. I want Dynon to build an HSI. Not a big fancy one with moving maps and waypoint displays and all that, just a simple HSI that encorporates GPS switching and ennunciator functions, Approach, enroute and OBS modes for GPS. An RMI feature would be nice also but not essential so you could display both VOR and GPS info simaltaneously. Also a feature that would switch the autopilot driver. VOR, GPS-NAV, GPS Track or Heading bug. I've seen the Blue Mountain product is coming, and maybe that is the answer, but I really like the form factor, the customer service, and the display of the Dynon. I am not sure the folks at Dynon understand how many people would buy an HSI. Most home builts do not have HSI's and several pilots have never flown with one, but it is not because they would not love one if they used it, just because the trainers they learned in did not have one. This would replace a DG, a VOR Head, a GPS annunciator, any Autopilot switch gear, and a backup display for the D-10 If they could do this at the $2000 price point, they would sell like cordwood. So my objective it make them understand that this would be a big market. (are you listening Doug Medema?) Everybody pile on. Tailwinds, Doug "I wanna a HSI" Rozendaal ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:18 AM PST US From: "Hull, Don" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Minimum Realistic Field Length --> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" If you haven't bought the property yet, one consideration for a longer strip might be whether or not you want other pilots to land at your field. Of course, a short field could also screen out some of the pilots you may not want to visit you. Does your mother-in-law fly an RV? :) Don -----Original Message----- From: Oldsfolks@aol.com [mailto:Oldsfolks@aol.com] Subject: RV-List: Re: Minimum Realistic Field Length --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com Follow Kevins advice and as someone else said , practice on a longer field to be sure you can do the landing the SAME way every time. I practiced on an airport with 800' to the turnoff , and when I could stop by the turn-off , I practiced some more. I fly from our 1100' grass strip with 150 HP/ wood prop RV-4 - solo only. I think it would get my wife and me out BUT those odds aren't good enough to put us at risk. Be safe and fly happy. Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:36 AM PST US From: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI --> RV-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" Doug, Sounds a lot like the BMA Lite . . . I agree with you . . . and the BMA product is not totally proven at this point . . . in fact the G3 version hasn't shipped yet as far as I know. It does however show a lot of promise with the ultimate goal is a "TSO'd version" of the Lite at around $3000 with GPS and nav head function built in, if it works will be one of the best bargains out there! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: RV-List: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > > All, > > I have flown the latest and greatest version of the D-10 software for about > 20 hours or so and I now have the confidence in this version to rip out my > vacuum system. I have been holding back because I could have easily pulled > out the Dynon and replaced it with my vacuum gyro in moments. But with 18 > months of experience and now that we have a good stable software package I > am ready to make the leap into the land of no vacuum pump. Great Work > Guys!!!!! > > That means the DG will go as well. I won't miss it because I have not even > been setting it lately because I don't use it at all. > > Now for what I want. I want Dynon to build an HSI. Not a big fancy one > with moving maps and waypoint displays and all that, just a simple HSI that > encorporates GPS switching and ennunciator functions, Approach, enroute and > OBS modes for GPS. An RMI feature would be nice also but not essential so > you could display both VOR and GPS info simaltaneously. Also a feature that > would switch the autopilot driver. VOR, GPS-NAV, GPS Track or Heading bug. > > I've seen the Blue Mountain product is coming, and maybe that is the answer, > but I really like the form factor, the customer service, and the display of > the Dynon. I am not sure the folks at Dynon understand how many people > would buy an HSI. Most home builts do not have HSI's and several pilots have > never flown with one, but it is not because they would not love one if they > used it, just because the trainers they learned in did not have one. > > This would replace a DG, a VOR Head, a GPS annunciator, any Autopilot > switch gear, and a backup display for the D-10 If they could do this at the > $2000 price point, they would sell like cordwood. > > So my objective it make them understand that this would be a big market. > (are you listening Doug Medema?) Everybody pile on. > > Tailwinds, > Doug "I wanna a HSI" Rozendaal > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:58 AM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point Back in August 2003 we had a similar discussion about this. It got started after I had a conversation with Doug and the Dynon folks at Oshkosh '03. I brought this up to them, about how they would sell like hotcakes, and about 10 people standing around me at the booth all echoed their agreement. But I really got the feeling that they weren't interested, at least at the time. They seemed to be much more focused on getting the engine monitor to market, which was a bad business move, IMHO (easy to say, it's not my company!) The engine monitor market was then and is now, pretty much saturated with poducts, but what the world needs is a good, all electric, low cost HSI. Maybe now that they've got the engine monitor nearly done they will take another look at this. Another problem (in my view) which came up, is that many people chimed in with their "wish lists" of features which rivaled a Sandell HSI for five times the price. Just give me the basics, show the needles, 60 deg and 360 views would be nice, maybe beacon lights and some GPS data fields. People were asking for interfaces to stormscopes, TCAS etc. You want all that, buy a Sandell. I don't want the low cost unit to get too gold-plated. I know Dynon monitors this list- come on guys, we're still here waving fistfulls of $$$! Jeff Point RV-6 w/ D-10 Milwaukee WI do not archive Doug Rozendaal wrote: ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:22 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Sounds like the old "New Years Eve" problem where idiots signal in the new year by firing into the air. Did you ever wonder how many people are hurt in the middle east during weddings, rallies and funerals where AK-47's are fired vertically. (Guess that's better than on the horizontal plane). KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing > "The FAA says the hydraulic failure and the bullet hole are unrelated. > Here's another interesting bit: the hole is on the top the wing. They > speculate someone fired a deer rifle in the air and the bullet struck the > plane at "low energy" on the way down." ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:06 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I think it will be too late for em to catch that market. The G3 will be first out of the gate and with any luck, and Ill take it, it will be ready for prime time. For those that have not seen the BMA G3, you need to go take a peak at it off their website. Im gonna be an early adopter in my S8. I was an early adopter of the Dynon and this little gismo has twice the feature set. If they hose me you folks will be the first to know. If there are any issues, Ill be sure to pass them on. First issue is BMA took a deposit for a January ship date and have recently slipped it to Early Feb.. I am patient. But I am not silent. Mike S8, glueing canopy skirts Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point Back in August 2003 we had a similar discussion about this. It got started after I had a conversation with Doug and the Dynon folks at Oshkosh '03. I brought this up to them, about how they would sell like hotcakes, and about 10 people standing around me at the booth all echoed their agreement. But I really got the feeling that they weren't interested, at least at the time. They seemed to be much more focused on getting the engine monitor to market, which was a bad business move, IMHO (easy to say, it's not my company!) The engine monitor market was then and is now, pretty much saturated with poducts, but what the world needs is a good, all electric, low cost HSI. Maybe now that they've got the engine monitor nearly done they will take another look at this. Another problem (in my view) which came up, is that many people chimed in with their "wish lists" of features which rivaled a Sandell HSI for five times the price. Just give me the basics, show the needles, 60 deg and 360 views would be nice, maybe beacon lights and some GPS data fields. People were asking for interfaces to stormscopes, TCAS etc. You want all that, buy a Sandell. I don't want the low cost unit to get too gold-plated. I know Dynon monitors this list- come on guys, we're still here waving fistfulls of $$$! Jeff Point RV-6 w/ D-10 Milwaukee WI do not archive Doug Rozendaal wrote: ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:51 AM PST US From: "Hull, Don" Subject: RE: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length --> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" Scott, If you haven't bought the property yet, one consideration for a longer strip might be whether or not you want other pilots to land at your field. Of course, a short field could also screen out some of the pilots you may not want to visit you. Does your mother-in-law fly an RV? :) Don -----Original Message----- From: tx_jayhawk@excite.com [mailto:tx_jayhawk@excite.com] Subject: RV-List: Minimum Realistic Field Length --> RV-List message posted by: "" All, Since the plane is still in storage while I look for a home (building withdrawl), I have been evaluating several airpark possibilities. I would be interested in hearing from others what they believe the minimum safe runway lenth would be. I know it is highly subjective, but I would like to hear from others with experience. For reference...the plane with be a 7A, O360, with FP prop. Also, there is no real obstacles to think of (never heard of the Kansas Rockies), and field elevation is approx 1000'. Would a 1400' runway be doable? I know it would be on the short side (go-around if things don't look just right), but would it be safe? Thanks for the help, Scottwww.scottsrv7a.com advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:07 AM PST US From: "Kevin Williams" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" >>>"The FAA says the hydraulic failure and the bullet hole are unrelated. Here's another interesting bit: the hole is on the top the wing. They speculate someone fired a deer rifle in the air and the bullet struck the plane at "low energy" on the way down." I'm not one for conspiracy theories but realy what are the chances of someone first being stupid enough to fire a gun near an airport. Second having that bullet go up and come down striking this fellows plane. The fellow not seeing the hole on his walk around or seeing it and deciding to fly with the hole anyways. Then just coincedently has an unrelated failure that causes a forced landing. This is under the assumption that the bullet hole happened while the plane was on the ground. Don't get me started on the odds of a "random" bullet going up then coming down on the top surface of a moving plane all in the same flight that the fellow has an unrelated failure. Either this guy is the most unlucky fellow in the world or someone isn't giving all the facts. If this fellow indeed has a low velocity bullet hole impact on the top surface of his wing, then I would think the more likely possibility was that some yahoo took a shoot at him while he was doing aerobatics. By the time the bullet reached the plane at altitude it slowed down to the point of "low velocity" ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:59 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Looks like 2 RV-6's in the incident report over the weekend. Get the N number and do a Google search to find the owner. http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/A_0118_N.txt Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:32 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane I have a BM Sport G3 on my bench at home... Sweet little instrument! I have a little write up on the new panel I am installing in my -8A here: http://www.rv8a.com/panel/panel3/index.htm I will take some pix of the Sport and post them tomorrow... I will also probably be upgrading my engine monitor to the Dynon unit as soon as they come out... -Bill VonDane RV-8A - Colorado www.rv8a.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I think it will be too late for em to catch that market. The G3 will be first out of the gate and with any luck, and Ill take it, it will be ready for prime time. For those that have not seen the BMA G3, you need to go take a peak at it off their website. Im gonna be an early adopter in my S8. I was an early adopter of the Dynon and this little gismo has twice the feature set. If they hose me you folks will be the first to know. If there are any issues, Ill be sure to pass them on. First issue is BMA took a deposit for a January ship date and have recently slipped it to Early Feb.. I am patient. But I am not silent. Mike S8, glueing canopy skirts Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point Back in August 2003 we had a similar discussion about this. It got started after I had a conversation with Doug and the Dynon folks at Oshkosh '03. I brought this up to them, about how they would sell like hotcakes, and about 10 people standing around me at the booth all echoed their agreement. But I really got the feeling that they weren't interested, at least at the time. They seemed to be much more focused on getting the engine monitor to market, which was a bad business move, IMHO (easy to say, it's not my company!) The engine monitor market was then and is now, pretty much saturated with poducts, but what the world needs is a good, all electric, low cost HSI. Maybe now that they've got the engine monitor nearly done they will take another look at this. Another problem (in my view) which came up, is that many people chimed in with their "wish lists" of features which rivaled a Sandell HSI for five times the price. Just give me the basics, show the needles, 60 deg and 360 views would be nice, maybe beacon lights and some GPS data fields. People were asking for interfaces to stormscopes, TCAS etc. You want all that, buy a Sandell. I don't want the low cost unit to get too gold-plated. I know Dynon monitors this list- come on guys, we're still here waving fistfulls of $$$! Jeff Point RV-6 w/ D-10 Milwaukee WI do not archive Doug Rozendaal wrote: ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:34 AM PST US From: "rv6tc" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" Unless the is an F-16 flying CAP in the area. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN STARN To: rv-list@matronics.com Did you ever wonder how many people are hurt in the middle east during weddings, rallies and funerals where AK-47's are fired vertically. (Guess that's better than on the horizontal plane). ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:52 PM PST US From: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" Subject: RV-List: Heated Pitot 0.50 MIME_BASE64_LATIN RAW: Latin alphabet text using base64 encoding 1.01 MIME_BASE64_TEXT RAW: Message text disguised using base64 encoding --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" Bill, After looking for a reasonably priced heated pitot for over a year, I settled on this one too. Jon Johansson is making these in AU.... First thing I did was break it while mounting it on my plane! It turns out that the inner tube is plain old 3030 thin wall, (soft) alum threaded on each end with a 1/4" - 28 die, set for an oversized thread. (NOT a pipe thread). I'm not sure how well this would have held up to vibration over the long run... The inner (soft) tube broke when I bumped it after it was mounted onto the wing. After finding out Jon wanted almost $100 for a simple 6" threaded tube, I made my own out of THICK walled 2020-T3 alum tube (Total cost, including the die & die handle, was under $50!). I am still using this modified part, but could have just as easily made my own from a block of alum, for a lot less money. I'm very surprised that nobody else is offering a similar unit. The heater element is a standard Cessna part (Search the RV-List for a part number). the rest is different size tubing (available from spruce), a milled "Bullet" node piece, and a Cessna P/N heater element. Also, in hindsight, once you have the basic "L" shaped part of any one of the certified units already out there, you could easily repair/modify it to be heated by purchasing the basic components (Tubing & heater element) and shaping your own nose piece. this would probably be the least expensive route.... I'm using Gretz's mounting kit.... ====================================== Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" < billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net> Try this link to ACS for heated pitot only for experimental use. Part @ 10-01022 12 volt $398.00 still high but better than nothing and better than $900. This is the L shaped variety. Have been told that you can find them in aircraft junkyards for less than $100 but have had no luck. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/homepitot.php If anyone knows a reason why this would be inappropriate, please holler as I am planning on putting one in my 7. Bill Schlatterer 7a QB ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:42 PM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: RV's and EAA in Georgia... vansairforce --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Anyone have any insight into RV builders / pilots and EAA activity in and around Evans, GA? -Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:19 PM PST US From: "ray sheffield" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's and EAA in Georgia... --> RV-List message posted by: "ray sheffield" Bill, Twin Lakes located in nearby Trenton s17 has an number of builders rv-10, rv-9, and rv-7. ray -------Original Message------- From: rv-list@matronics.com vansairforce Subject: RV-List: RV's and EAA in Georgia... --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Anyone have any insight into RV builders / pilots and EAA activity in and around Evans, GA? -Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:21 PM PST US From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing N654PJ --> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com In a message dated 1/18/05 1:21:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > > Looks like 2 RV-6's in the incident report over the weekend. Get the N > number and do a Google search to find the owner. > > http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/A_0118_N.txt > You know......I was standing on the flight line when a RV-6 was leaving LAL at the fly-in and made the comment 3 times that I smelled gas.......MO-gas. The owner of the leaving RV-6 said he had just stuck the tanks and that must be it...I asked if he was running car gas and he said yes. I can not tell you who he was or what the tail number was but I think he had his dog and wife with him.......sure hope this was not the plane that never made the runway and if it was he had a leak and should be glad there was no fire. The owner listed to the RV 6 ....N654PJ is Paul Pajak. RV-4 RV-8 QB....wings Sal Capra Lakeland, FL. My Home Page ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:12 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing From: "Chuck Jensen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" Kevin wrote... Don't get me started on the odds of a "random" bullet going up then coming down on the top surface of a moving plane all in the same flight that the fellow has an unrelated failure. From what's been described so far, I'd say the odds were 100%. Chuck ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:16 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: RV-List: Passing fire codes for hangar homes --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" HELP. I purchased a lot at an airpark several months ago and just found out the county has adopted a new fire code restricting the size of the hangar to 2000 sq ft. I had planned on a 3000. Im wondering if anyone has dealt with this and knows of a way around it. I believe its a fire code issue so maybe a fire wall or sprinkler system would fit the bill. One of the subdivision requirements is that the hangar must be attached to the house. tia Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 150 hours Chicago/Louisville ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:55 PM PST US From: "Kevin Williams" Subject: RE: RV-List: Passing fire codes for hangar homes --> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" >>>HELP. I purchased a lot at an airpark several months ago and just found >>>out the county has adopted a new fire code restricting the size of the >>>hangar to 2000 sq ft. I had planned on a 3000. Im wondering if anyone >>>has dealt with this and knows of a way around it. I believe its a fire >>>code issue so maybe a fire wall or sprinkler system would fit the bill. >>>One of the subdivision requirements is that the hangar must be attached >>>to the house. Don't call it a hanger, Call it a 4 car garage with a large single opening door. . . . ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:23 PM PST US From: "Kevin Williams" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" >>Kevin wrote... >>Don't get me started on the odds of a "random" bullet going up then coming down on the top surface of a moving plane all in the same flight that the fellow has an unrelated failure. >>From what's been described so far, I'd say the odds were 100%. >>Chuck Hmm another possibility, someone shot directly at the cockpit and the prop struck the bullet deflecting it down onto the top of the wing. . . Anyways all seems way to weird to me. . . ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:37 PM PST US From: "Kevin Williams" Subject: RE: RV-List: Edmonton Alberta --> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" I'm up in Yellowknife at the moment and I'm coming down to Edmonton, Alberta for my once in 6 month visit. I'll only be in town this weekend Friday Morning 21st - Sunday 23rd. I'm still in the deciding stage and have yet to actually see a live project. I would love to meet any RV builders and see their works in progress. I would also love to get up for a flight and would be more than happy to pay for a ride along in any RV, weather and time permitting. So if you are in or around the Edmonton area and are in the process of building or have a flying RV and have some time to spare this weekend please send me an E-mail to kevinsky18@hotmail.com Kevin Yellowknife, NT, Canada RV-8 Wanna Be Builder ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:57 PM PST US From: jim & terri truitt Subject: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: jim & terri truitt Highly inprobable random incidents do occur. If I didn't personally know the woman in the following story, I would have thought "no way". A few years ago, in my former home town of Evansville, Indiana, a woman who lives next door to my former residence, went outside with her two dogs near midnight on New Years Eve. As she bent over to pick up one of the dogs, a bullet hit her in the back of her neck. No rounds fired in the neighborhood. Doctors and police officers surmise from the angle of the impact and the relatively shallow penetration that a stray bullet, fired into the air by some moron, hit her on it's fall to earth. She was knocked down and was hospitalized, but has recovered. I, too, have often wondered about stray rounds fired in the middle east. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:33 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Passing fire codes for hangar homes --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 01/18/2005 4:58:32 PM Central Standard Time, shempdowling@earthlink.net writes: HELP. I purchased a lot at an airpark several months ago and just found out the county has adopted a new fire code restricting the size of the hangar to 2000 sq ft. >>>> Build 2 "hangars", insist one of 'em is a "garage" 8-) Do not archive (and I sure wish more listers would DO JUST THAT, DAMMIT!!!!) Mark ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:45 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" I'm chimeing!!!!!! Bring the HSI on or at least tell me it's being worked on. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive >From: "Doug Rozendaal" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: Dynon ramblings & Electronic HSI >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:50:01 -0600 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > >All, > >I have flown the latest and greatest version of the D-10 software for about >20 hours or so and I now have the confidence in this version to rip out my >vacuum system. I have been holding back because I could have easily >pulled >out the Dynon and replaced it with my vacuum gyro in moments. But with 18 >months of experience and now that we have a good stable software package I >am ready to make the leap into the land of no vacuum pump. Great Work >Guys!!!!! > >That means the DG will go as well. I won't miss it because I have not even >been setting it lately because I don't use it at all. > >Now for what I want. I want Dynon to build an HSI. Not a big fancy one >with moving maps and waypoint displays and all that, just a simple HSI that >encorporates GPS switching and ennunciator functions, Approach, enroute >and >OBS modes for GPS. An RMI feature would be nice also but not essential so >you could display both VOR and GPS info simaltaneously. Also a feature >that >would switch the autopilot driver. VOR, GPS-NAV, GPS Track or Heading bug. > >I've seen the Blue Mountain product is coming, and maybe that is the >answer, >but I really like the form factor, the customer service, and the display of >the Dynon. I am not sure the folks at Dynon understand how many people >would buy an HSI. Most home builts do not have HSI's and several pilots >have >never flown with one, but it is not because they would not love one if they >used it, just because the trainers they learned in did not have one. > >This would replace a DG, a VOR Head, a GPS annunciator, any Autopilot >switch gear, and a backup display for the D-10 If they could do this at >the >$2000 price point, they would sell like cordwood. > >So my objective it make them understand that this would be a big market. >(are you listening Doug Medema?) Everybody pile on. > >Tailwinds, >Doug "I wanna a HSI" Rozendaal > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:08 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 01/18/2005 5:41:36 PM Central Standard Time, jimteri1@earthlink.net writes: I, too, have often wondered about stray rounds fired in the middle east. >>> A co-worker of mine was nailed in his lower leg by a bullet on an Earthbound trajectory a couple of years ago- great story for the Grandkids, but about 20 inches away from "No Grampa". Lot's of morons out there, dammit... do not archive - Mark ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:30 PM PST US From: "Ted Gauthier" Subject: RE: RV-List: Passing fire codes for hangar homes --> RV-List message posted by: "Ted Gauthier" The first thing you need to find out is "What code"? Don't be afraid to ask. Are they using the "International Fire Code" or "NFPA", you also need to know what version. 2000 or the 2003 code. What you are talking about sounds like a local code or a subdivision or property rule. Ask for help by getting a copy of the section they are referencing. Explain that you are a citizen and not a builder who will know how to look up the code. Many of the larger hangers can get around a problem by adding a sprinkler system, however that may cost you more than you have planned. I would suggest going right to the top guy. Go knock on the Fire Marshals door and talk to him. I think that you will find that many things can be resolved if you talk it over. Go see him in person. I can't tell you how many times I have seen things get changed after someone has been very involved finding out the real code. Not a rule that someone has made. We call them shirt pocket rules and they change all the time. If it is not in the code, you will have a strong case. Sometimes an inspector will tell you something that he has been doing for years or he believes to be true only to find out it is not in the code. The inspector may not back down, but his boss has the authority to over rule. Go see the Fire Marshal, when you see him you can tell him that you are just trying to get a better understanding. Note: In some jurisdictions the "Building Director" may be the authority so you may also have to talk to him. I would start with the Fire Marshal. Good luck, Ted Gauthier, RV-6 Fire Marshal, and DAR West Bloomfield Michigan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Williams Subject: RE: RV-List: Passing fire codes for hangar homes --> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" >>>HELP. I purchased a lot at an airpark several months ago and just found >>>out the county has adopted a new fire code restricting the size of the >>>hangar to 2000 sq ft. I had planned on a 3000. Im wondering if anyone >>>has dealt with this and knows of a way around it. I believe its a fire >>>code issue so maybe a fire wall or sprinkler system would fit the bill. >>>One of the subdivision requirements is that the hangar must be attached >>>to the house. Don't call it a hanger, Call it a 4 car garage with a large single opening door. . . . ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:05 PM PST US From: "Tony Sustare" Subject: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Sustare" Wow, for what it's worth, when I was staying with a friend in Arizona learning to fly, a teenage girl was hit in the head while she was swinging in her back yard with her parents. It killed her. Do not archive >>> jimteri1@earthlink.net 01/18/05 03:39PM >>> --> RV-List message posted by: jim & terri truitt Highly inprobable random incidents do occur. If I didn't personally know the woman in the following story, I would have thought "no way". A few years ago, in my former home town of Evansville, Indiana, a woman who lives next door to my former residence, went outside with her two dogs near midnight on New Years Eve. As she bent over to pick up one of the dogs, a bullet hit her in the back of her neck. No rounds fired in the neighborhood. Doctors and police officers surmise from the angle of the impact and the relatively shallow penetration that a stray bullet, fired into the air by some moron, hit her on it's fall to earth. She was knocked down and was hospitalized, but has recovered. I, too, have often wondered about stray rounds fired in the middle east. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:09 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: RV-List: new years celebration --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters This past new years, a man was killed by a bullet fired into the air. Posice were called and confiscated the weapon .... cops put two and two together (imagine that!) and arrested the celebrant. Orlando FL, I think Linn jim & terri truitt wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: jim & terri truitt > >Highly inprobable random incidents do occur. If I didn't personally know the woman in the following story, I would have thought "no way". >A few years ago, in my former home town of Evansville, Indiana, a woman who lives next door to my former residence, went outside with her two dogs near midnight on New Years Eve. As she bent over to pick up one of the dogs, a bullet hit her in the back of her neck. No rounds fired in the neighborhood. Doctors and police officers surmise from the angle of the impact and the relatively shallow penetration that a stray bullet, fired into the air by some moron, hit her on it's fall to earth. >She was knocked down and was hospitalized, but has recovered. >I, too, have often wondered about stray rounds fired in the middle east. > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:19 PM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing clamav-milter version 0.80j on zoot.lafn.org --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol This is the interesting one, avionics problems? Dave do not archive IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 889JB Make/Model: SR22 Description: SR-22 Date: 01/15/2005 Time: 1723 Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Destroyed LOCATION City: COCONUT GROVE State: FL Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT REPORTED AVIONICS PROBLEMS AND CRASHED INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THE ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS FATALLY INJURED, COCONUT CREEK, FL Scott Bilinski wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > >Looks like 2 RV-6's in the incident report over the weekend. Get the N >number and do a Google search to find the owner. > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:36 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Passing fire codes for hangar homes --> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" You will need a firewall on the house side. You might put a firewall between to sides of the hanger or use a firewall to separate the work area from the plane storage area. Or have a hangar on each side of the house. But I would talk to the county building department before you set up a design and ask them for their input. They will have to approve your design before you build anyway. Anything that I might write may not meet with their approval. Cy Galley EAA Safety Programs Editor Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Williams" Subject: RE: RV-List: Passing fire codes for hangar homes > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" > > >>>HELP. I purchased a lot at an airpark several months ago and just found > >>>out the county has adopted a new fire code restricting the size of the > >>>hangar to 2000 sq ft. I had planned on a 3000. Im wondering if anyone > >>>has dealt with this and knows of a way around it. I believe its a fire > >>>code issue so maybe a fire wall or sprinkler system would fit the bill. > >>>One of the subdivision requirements is that the hangar must be attached > >>>to the house. > > > Don't call it a hanger, Call it a 4 car garage with a large single opening > door. . . . > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:32 PM PST US From: Larry Olson Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Olson >Wow, for what it's worth, when I was staying with a friend in Arizona >learning to fly, a teenage girl was hit in the head while she was >swinging in her back yard with her parents. It killed her. Her name was Shannon. There is now a law in AZ called "Shannon's Law" that makes random firing into the air a felony Go figure,,, ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:51 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: RV-List: Garmin iQue 3600a --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hey Gang! Garmin has entered the palm top gps flight information arena with this product. http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600a Ideas and Opinions please Jim in Kelowna ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:19 PM PST US From: Scott VanArtsdalen Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen >I'm not one for conspiracy theories but realy what are the chances of >someone first being stupid enough to fire a gun near an airport. Come on out to Oakdale, Ca. I'll introduce you to some of the local hunters. :-) They do fire their guns near the airport and we politely ask them to leave. No planes have been shot down thus far. I'll keep my fingers crossed. -- Scott VanArtsdalen Van Arts Consulting Services 3848 McHenry Ave Suite #155-184 Modesto, CA 95356 209-986-4647 www.rivetbangers.com Now with email!! How you want it, When you want it. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:00 PM PST US From: Bud Newhall Subject: RV-List: Re: Garmin iQue 3600a --> RV-List message posted by: Bud Newhall I think this really blows. I just bought an iQue 3600 for my car and now they come out with this. I should have waited a little longer. It works great in the car. And it's small enough you can use when you're walking from the airport trying to find that $100 hamburger. Or put it in the rental car with the street level maps. You can plug the mp3 player into the intercom for in-flight music. The iQue3600a has more internal memory but you will still probably want an expansion card. Two thumbs up. --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" > Hey Gang! Garmin has entered the palm top gps flight information arena with this product. http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600a Ideas and Opinions please Jim in Kelowna ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:25 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Passing fire codes for hangar homes --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" The problem is that they are calling it a garage, which dictates the max sq ftage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Williams" Subject: RE: RV-List: Passing fire codes for hangar homes > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" > >>>>HELP. I purchased a lot at an airpark several months ago and just found >>>>out the county has adopted a new fire code restricting the size of the >>>>hangar to 2000 sq ft. I had planned on a 3000. Im wondering if anyone >>>>has dealt with this and knows of a way around it. I believe its a fire >>>>code issue so maybe a fire wall or sprinkler system would fit the bill. >>>>One of the subdivision requirements is that the hangar must be attached >>>>to the house. > > > Don't call it a hanger, Call it a 4 car garage with a large single opening > door. . . . > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:15 PM PST US From: Skylor Piper Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing clamav-milter version 0.80j on zoot.lafn.org --> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper Could be... There have been several Sirrus accidents that have been blamed on water in the pitot-static system. For some reason these things seem to be prone to this... Skylor RV-8 QB Under Construction --- Dave Bristol wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol > > > This is the interesting one, avionics problems? > Dave > do not archive > > IDENTIFICATION > Regis#: 889JB Make/Model: SR22 > Description: SR-22 > Date: 01/15/2005 Time: 1723 > > Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal > Mid Air: N Missing: N > Damage: Destroyed > > LOCATION > City: COCONUT GROVE State: FL > Country: US > > DESCRIPTION > ACFT REPORTED AVIONICS PROBLEMS AND CRASHED INTO A > RESIDENTIAL AREA, THE > ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS FATALLY INJURED, COCONUT > CREEK, FL > > > Scott Bilinski wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > > > >Looks like 2 RV-6's in the incident report over the > weekend. Get the N > >number and do a Google search to find the owner. > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:43 PM PST US From: Rob Prior Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin iQue 3600a --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior Jim Jewell wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" >Garmin has entered the palm top gps flight information arena with this >product. >http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600a > > Just my opinion, I may be wrong... I think for the money, the Garmin 96C is a better deal, and $400 cheaper. $699US instead of $1099US (list prices). http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap96c/ Or, if the larger screen is a must, the Garmin 196, despite having a monochrome screen, is an excellent unit at $799US (list). http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap196/ People make a big deal about colour, but I think the screen on my old Garmin GPSIII was excellent, as it was simple, *very* high contrast, and very readible in all lighting conditions. Personally, I bought a Garmin 76CS (still comparing list prices, $549US, but I paid $649CDN). http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap76cs/ The 76CS had a couple of interesting features that I found worthwhile (copied from the Garmin website): - Barometric sensor with automatic pressure trend recording - Elevation computer provides current elevation, ascent/descent rate, minimum/ maximum elevation, total ascent and descent, average and maximum ascent and descent rate (not mentioned on the website is "glide ratio to destination"). The first is useful for predicting upcoming weather trends, and the second neglects to mention the most interesting feature, which is "glide ratio to destination". Your engine has quit, and you're now deadstick. You hit "nearest airport" on the GPS and get distance, bearing, etc. All good, right? How do you know if you can make it? With the 76CS, if you know your airplane's best glide ratio, you know instantly if that airport is an option. However, the 76CS is *NOT* an aviation GPS, and as such does not have an aviation database. I fly with a hardcopy of the CFS (Canada Flight Supplement), which gives me airport info like runways, frequencies, etc. In addition, I have a database of waypoints of Canadian airports that I keep up-to-date myself as data changes, that I can upload to the GPS. The GPS gives me the navigational aids, I take care of looking out for airspace and finding frequencies on my own. I find this to be an ideal (and economical) arrangement. If Garmin made the 96 model with a barometric altimeter included, I would have considered it very seriously, but right now, for me, the 76CS does what I want. Hope this helps! -Rob ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:27 PM PST US From: "Gregory Young" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: "Gregory Young" Yeah, stupidity knows no bounds, either by geography or interest group. The guy in the hangar behind me (a pilot and hangar owner) has been seen laying on his back, firing his gun straight up in the air ON THE AIRPORT. Go figure. Greg > > >I'm not one for conspiracy theories but realy what are the > chances of > > >someone first being stupid enough to fire a gun near an airport. > > Come on out to Oakdale, Ca. I'll introduce you to some of > the local hunters. :-) They do fire their guns near the > airport and we politely ask them to leave. No planes have > been shot down thus far. I'll keep my fingers crossed. ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:02 PM PST US From: "Scott Jackson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" re: new years' eve random shooting- I recall reading in a book about WW2 that, on Okinawa, about 50-75 soldiers were shot to death on V-J day, from troops celebrating by firing their weapons. The person who related the story spent the night in his foxhole with his helmet on, while spent rounds dropped all around him. Scott in Vancouver ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim & terri truitt" Subject: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing > --> RV-List message posted by: jim & terri truitt > > Highly inprobable random incidents do occur. If I didn't personally know > the woman in the following story, I would have thought "no way". > A few years ago, in my former home town of Evansville, Indiana, a woman > who lives next door to my former residence, went outside with her two dogs > near midnight on New Years Eve. As she bent over to pick up one of the > dogs, a bullet hit her in the back of her neck. No rounds fired in the > neighborhood. Doctors and police officers surmise from the angle of the > impact and the relatively shallow penetration that a stray bullet, fired > into the air by some moron, hit her on it's fall to earth. > She was knocked down and was hospitalized, but has recovered. > I, too, have often wondered about stray rounds fired in the middle east. > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:25 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Warning, Warning......Kinda off RV direct subject. humor ahead, List Police DELETE NOW. Maybe he'll try that on a No Wind day and solve the problem. Would that be a sillycide or suicide ? USMC saying "this is my rifle & this is my gun, this is for killing & this is.................". I assume it was his "rifle" not his gun. Do Not Archive KABONG 8*) > Yeah, stupidity knows no bounds, either by geography or interest group. > The > guy in the hangar behind me (a pilot and hangar owner) has been seen > laying > on his back, firing his gun straight up in the air ON THE AIRPORT. Go > figure. > > Greg ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:19 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Cooling Air From: j1j2h3@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com So, the recovered pressure drives the air through the cooling fins. In other words, it increases the velocity of the air. However, there is some loss, and the full initial velocity can not be regained. Wouldn't it be better just to retain the initial velocity? This is what a well-designed plenum does. Jim Hasper - RV-7 Giving new meaning to the term "slow build" Franklin, TN Do not archive PSPRV6A@aol.com wrote: It's easy to get this all backwards. When high velocity air comes in thru the cowling "nostrils" it enters a diffuser section where the velocity drops and the STATIC PRESSURE RISES! This static pressure is what drives the air down through the cylinder fins. It is also this pressure which forces air though the oil cooler. The tradeoff from dynamic to static pressure is not total as there remains a small velocity component. This is why the upper cowling is shaped like a diffuser, to recover pressure from the relative velocity of the incoming air. ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:20 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Leather jacket restoration From: j1j2h3@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com I bought my jacket in 1986 and had only treated it with conditioner once or twice. It had been at least 6 or seven years since the last time and it was looking faded and rough and felt dry and stiff. I used Lexol Cleaner and Conditioner (2 separate products) on it and it came out looking like new (well, maybe just worn enough to give it a real distinguished 50-mission look). It took me about an hour to apply and remove the cleaner and about a half hour to apply the conditioner. I found the best price (about $6 each for 16 oz. each of the cleaner and conditioner) plus $6.50 shipping at Equine Health Products (www.equine-health.com). Jim Hasper - RV-7 Giving new meaning to the term "slow build" Franklin, TN Do not archive > --> RV-List message posted by: Don Diehl > >> >> A friend has given me an old leather flying jacket. The leather is dry >> & >> stiff. Is there a preferred method of restoring the leather?