Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:03 AM - Re: Garmin iQue 3600a (Dana Overall)
2. 05:10 AM - Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures (Guy Cotnoir)
3. 05:13 AM - raining bullets (james frierson)
4. 05:41 AM - Re: Garmin iQue 3600a (Paul Besing)
5. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: Cooling Air (linn walters)
6. 06:55 AM - Re: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures (William Couvillon)
7. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing clamav-milter version ()
8. 07:43 AM - Re: Passing fire codes for hangar homes (Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers)
9. 08:01 AM - Re: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures (Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers)
10. 08:03 AM - Re: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures (Mike Robertson)
11. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures (Bob Hasson)
12. 09:32 AM - Re: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures (Kathleen (rv7))
13. 09:36 AM - 7a Builders - Step Question (Kathleen (rv7))
14. 10:08 AM - Re: raining bullets (Scott Jackson)
15. 10:21 AM - DO NOT ARCHIVE (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
16. 10:33 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 44 Msgs - 01/18/05 (PSPRV6A@aol.com)
17. 10:43 AM - Re: Passing fire codes for hangar homes (Dennis Persyk)
18. 12:16 PM - Re: Passing fire codes for hangar homes (Doug Rozendaal)
19. 01:30 PM - Can I (May I) sit in your RV-3? (Kenneth Ward)
20. 02:14 PM - Re: Edmonton Alberta (Kevin Williams)
21. 02:49 PM - Van's Manifold for Pressure Sensors (richard dudley)
22. 03:04 PM - looking for - RV-Rocket steering link (Turbo Tom)
23. 03:17 PM - mag timing (Jason Sneed)
24. 03:40 PM - Interesting aircraft-style starter on ebay (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
25. 03:54 PM - Re: Interesting aircraft-style starter on ebay (james frierson)
26. 05:49 PM - Re: looking for - RV-Rocket steering link (Jordan Grant)
27. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Scott VanArtsdalen)
28. 06:12 PM - Re: looking for - RV-Rocket steering link (James Freeman)
29. 06:33 PM - Re: Garmin iQue 3600a (LARRY ADAMSON)
30. 06:41 PM - Re: Dynon ramblings (Matt Jurotich)
31. 07:33 PM - Re: Dynon ramblings (Bryan Jones)
32. 07:41 PM - Alternative tailwheel springs (was Re: looking for - RV-Rocket steering link) (randall)
33. 07:55 PM - Newbie Nervousness Strikes again: Fluting (MLWynn@aol.com)
34. 08:03 PM - Re: Newbie Nervousness Strikes again: Fluting (Scott Jackson)
35. 08:13 PM - Re: Dynon ramblings (Jim Jewell)
36. 08:17 PM - Re: Newbie Nervousness Strikes again: Fluting (Richard E. Tasker)
37. 08:20 PM - Of FLop Tubes and Fuel Senders (Paul Trotter)
38. 08:20 PM - Ian Brown, contact me (Jim Jewell)
39. 08:25 PM - Re: Newbie Nervousness Strikes again: Fluting (MLWynn@aol.com)
40. 08:26 PM - Re: Newbie Nervousness Strikes again: Fluting ()
41. 08:53 PM - Re: Dynon ramblings (John Myers)
42. 08:59 PM - Re: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures (Brett Morawski)
43. 09:43 PM - Re: Dynon ramblings (Dwight Frye)
44. 09:51 PM - Swirl Scratches in Plexi (Paul Besing)
45. 09:56 PM - off topic posts and gascolator (linn walters)
46. 09:56 PM - Re: Re: Orlando RV forced landing (Gregory Young)
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin iQue 3600a |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >Garmin has entered the palm top gps flight information arena with this
> >product.
> >http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600a
>I think for the money, the Garmin 96C is a better deal, and $400
>Or, if the larger screen is a must, the Garmin 196, despite having a
>monochrome screen, is an excellent unit at $799US (list).
>http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap196/
>People make a big deal about colour, but I think the screen on my old
>Garmin GPSIII was excellent, as it was simple, *very* high contrast, and
>very readible in all lighting conditions.
>
>Personally, I bought a Garmin 76CS (still comparing list prices, $549US,
All I can say is the new 3600A has "terrain"!! Big issue with me in dealing
with marginal forward vis and travelling as fas as we do in these airplanes.
Since my panel does not at this time offer terrain, I have not sent the
430 out for the upgrade as I want some redundancy, this just might be the
ticket. Thanks.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>
> >Garmin has entered the palm top gps flight information arena with this
> >product.
> >http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600a
>I think for the money, the Garmin 96C is a better deal, and $400
>Or, if the larger screen is a must, the Garmin 196, despite having a
>monochrome screen, is an excellent unit at $799US (list).
>http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap196/
>People make a big deal about colour, but I think the screen on my old
>Garmin GPSIII was excellent, as it was simple, *very* high contrast, and
>very readible in all lighting conditions.
>
>Personally, I bought a Garmin 76CS (still comparing list prices, $549US,
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| Subject: | Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Guy Cotnoir" <guy_cotnoir@msn.com>
Hello everyone,
I would like, first and foremost, to apologize in advance for my off topic
post since it won't be about RV airplane building techniques.
A friend of mine showed me some pictures of a debris found at an airplane
crash site. As soon as I saw the pictures, I could not believe that this was
an actual airplane crash debris. You can see the pictures of the debris in
those two links below:
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/Phoenix/9-11-2001/a26-DSC_0446-1.jpg
http://t2news.navy.m7z.net/management/photodb/photos/010911-N-6157F-001.jpg
(it's the same part with different angles, lighting and lenses)
I know that most of you are very familiar with aircraft metals and aircraft
riveting techniques. I also know that few of you might even have worked on
Boeings a few times so I ask you to please look carefully at the two
pictures above and tell me if you think it is possible for an aircraft
component to be detached in a crash and still leaving the rivet locations as
seen relatively undamaged.
I mean, I think that a part pulled away from it's rivets would be severely
damaged (dimpled, torn or bruised) around the areas were rivets once were
Please look at it and tell me what you think, I know you will understand
what I mean the second you look closely at the pictures.
So I would like to know if you think this is possibly a part torn away from
a crashed airplane or if you think it might be something else.
I know this is not the in the subject theme of this forum and I understand
that answers to my question might have some political implications so please
contact me off list if you prefer at guy_cotnoir@msn.com
Thanx,
Guy Cotnoir
Toronto, Canada
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--> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
I often wonder about the carnage on the ground under the raging air battles
in Europe. Imagin the planes, bullets and bodies raining down in such a
battle..
Scott
do not archive
>From: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing
>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:56:31 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
>
>re: new years' eve random shooting-
>
> I recall reading in a book about WW2 that, on Okinawa, about 50-75
>soldiers were shot to death on V-J day, from troops celebrating by firing
>their weapons.
> The person who related the story spent the night in his foxhole with his
>helmet on, while spent rounds dropped all around him.
>Scott in Vancouver
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jim & terri truitt" <jimteri1@earthlink.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: jim & terri truitt
><jimteri1@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Highly inprobable random incidents do occur. If I didn't personally
>know
> > the woman in the following story, I would have thought "no way".
> > A few years ago, in my former home town of Evansville, Indiana, a woman
> > who lives next door to my former residence, went outside with her two
>dogs
> > near midnight on New Years Eve. As she bent over to pick up one of the
> > dogs, a bullet hit her in the back of her neck. No rounds fired in the
> > neighborhood. Doctors and police officers surmise from the angle of the
> > impact and the relatively shallow penetration that a stray bullet, fired
> > into the air by some moron, hit her on it's fall to earth.
> > She was knocked down and was hospitalized, but has recovered.
> > I, too, have often wondered about stray rounds fired in the middle east.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Garmin iQue 3600a |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
If it had WIFI, it would be a deal. Problem is that PDA's nowadays are much
more useful with WIFI since airports, resturaunts, etc are offering wireless
internet connections.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
Kitlog Builder's Software
www.kitlog.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob Prior
Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin iQue 3600a
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Jim Jewell wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>Garmin has entered the palm top gps flight information arena with this
>product.
>http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600a
>
>
Just my opinion, I may be wrong...
I think for the money, the Garmin 96C is a better deal, and $400
cheaper. $699US instead of $1099US (list prices).
http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap96c/
Or, if the larger screen is a must, the Garmin 196, despite having a
monochrome screen, is an excellent unit at $799US (list).
http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap196/
People make a big deal about colour, but I think the screen on my old
Garmin GPSIII was excellent, as it was simple, *very* high contrast, and
very readible in all lighting conditions.
Personally, I bought a Garmin 76CS (still comparing list prices, $549US,
but I paid $649CDN).
http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap76cs/
The 76CS had a couple of interesting features that I found worthwhile
(copied from the Garmin website):
- Barometric sensor with automatic pressure trend recording
- Elevation computer provides current elevation, ascent/descent rate,
minimum/ maximum elevation, total ascent and descent, average and
maximum ascent and descent rate (not mentioned on the website is "glide
ratio to destination").
The first is useful for predicting upcoming weather trends, and the
second neglects to mention the most interesting feature, which is "glide
ratio to destination". Your engine has quit, and you're now deadstick.
You hit "nearest airport" on the GPS and get distance, bearing, etc.
All good, right? How do you know if you can make it? With the 76CS, if
you know your airplane's best glide ratio, you know instantly if that
airport is an option.
However, the 76CS is *NOT* an aviation GPS, and as such does not have an
aviation database. I fly with a hardcopy of the CFS (Canada Flight
Supplement), which gives me airport info like runways, frequencies,
etc. In addition, I have a database of waypoints of Canadian airports
that I keep up-to-date myself as data changes, that I can upload to the
GPS. The GPS gives me the navigational aids, I take care of looking out
for airspace and finding frequencies on my own. I find this to be an
ideal (and economical) arrangement.
If Garmin made the 96 model with a barometric altimeter included, I
would have considered it very seriously, but right now, for me, the 76CS
does what I want.
Hope this helps!
-Rob
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--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
j1j2h3@juno.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
>
>So, the recovered pressure drives the air through the cooling fins. In
>other words, it increases the velocity of the air. However, there is some
>loss, and the full initial velocity can not be regained.
>
It's been a long time since I sat in class on 'fluid dynamics' ..... and
never used it after that ..... but in a nutshell (If I was listening)
the air entering the inlet will speed up as it goes past the 'ring'
since the bowl is neither flat nor a plain hole cut with a holesaw. The
edges of the hole are rounded and flare a little inside. When the air
is past the inlet, then it will slow down again. Some efficiency will
be lost to turbulence etc., but I don't have the knowledge nor equipment
to figure out how much. Nor do I really care. Look at what Lopresti
does with his cowls.
>Wouldn't it be better just to retain the initial velocity?
>
I would have to say so. Higher velocity would mean more air flow, but
there are a lot of things downstream of the engine that will affect that
velocity too, creating a higher backpressure. A manometer will not tell
you how efficient the whole cowl thingy is .... but it would allow you
to tell whether the changes you make are helping or hurting. The only
way to maintain that velocity would be to have the plenum chamber the
same volume as the inlet ....which is kinda impossible.
> This is what a well-designed plenum does.
>
Hmmm. I'm kinda wishy-washy on that statement. I think the plenum gets
it's improved cooling from closing up all the leaks, not velocity
management. I've seen attempts at plenum installation that were a
disaster due to leaks around the inlets, and not sealing the front of
the plenum very well. If the plenum was made with well-rounded edges
instead of being like a box, the flow would be better and reduced
turbulence in the plenum. I have no idea how much better it ould be,
nor whether it would be worth the extra trouble. If you get the chance,
look at the plenum on a Velocity ...... then picture it with inlets by
the prop instead of in the top of the plenum!!!
Linn ..... no real data ..... just conjecture ...... no charge.
>
>Jim Hasper - RV-7
>Giving new meaning to the term "slow build"
>Franklin, TN
>
>Do not archive
>
--
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| Subject: | Re: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
You're right, that certainly is off topic for an RV forum. I am sure that there
is some sort of conspiracy theory chat room out there that may be a bit more
receptive. As for the particular piece in question, who knows how it came to
be in such a condition with the rivet holes in tact...I am thinking maybe it
had something to do with the fact that plane it was attached to was flown in to
some of the thickest concrete walls ever made at speeds approaching 600 mph!
I was there when this happened...I saw the plane and the gaping hole it left...I
saw the injured and dying as they fled from the pentagon...I personally saw
the devastation this caused and I could not be more offended by the extremists
who not only perpetrated this incident, but who now question whether or not
this was one big government plot to fool the world. I apologize if this post
is too pointed, as an RV builder I am sorry if you are offended. I just wanted
to let you know that there were some people (yes even RV builders out here)
who lived through this and don't appreciate where you were going with this post.
Just my 2 cents,
Will
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| Subject: | Re: Orlando RV forced landing clamav-milter version |
0.80j on zoot.lafn.org
--> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Dave,
That aircraft was at 2000 feet when the ceiling was 600 feet. RV6 builder Eric
Henson sent me a link to a web site which shows the last few moments of this
flight. It appears to be a loss of control crash.
Charlie Kuss
---- Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
>
> This is the interesting one, avionics problems?
> Dave
> do not archive
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 889JB Make/Model: SR22 Description: SR-22
> Date: 01/15/2005 Time: 1723
>
> Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
> Damage: Destroyed
>
> LOCATION
> City: COCONUT GROVE State: FL Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> ACFT REPORTED AVIONICS PROBLEMS AND CRASHED INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THE
> ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS FATALLY INJURED, COCONUT CREEK, FL
>
>
> Scott Bilinski wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> >Looks like 2 RV-6's in the incident report over the weekend. Get the N
> >number and do a Google search to find the owner.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Passing fire codes for hangar homes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
To Jeff,
First, who are "they"
Secondly, have whomever is drawing up your plans to label it "HANGAR"
TBC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Passing fire codes for hangar homes
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
> The problem is that they are calling it a garage, which dictates the max
> sq
> ftage.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Williams" <kevinsky18@hotmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Passing fire codes for hangar homes
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" <kevinsky18@hotmail.com>
>>
>>>>>HELP. I purchased a lot at an airpark several months ago and just
>>>>>found
>>>>>out the county has adopted a new fire code restricting the size of the
>>>>>hangar to 2000 sq ft. I had planned on a 3000. Im wondering if anyone
>>>>>has dealt with this and knows of a way around it. I believe its a fire
>>>>>code issue so maybe a fire wall or sprinkler system would fit the bill.
>>>>>One of the subdivision requirements is that the hangar must be attached
>>>>>to the house.
>>
>>
>> Don't call it a hanger, Call it a 4 car garage with a large single
>> opening
>> door. . . .
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
Guy Cotnoir wrote:
> tell me if you think it is possible for an aircraft
> component to be detached in a crash and still leaving the rivet locations
> as
> seen relatively undamaged.
It MUST be, the photo proves it. The crash happened, and there lies that
part with intact rivets. If that part was from the nose cone I would say
impossible, however, if it's from any aft area or some part that got scraped
off along the ground as it came in I could logically see it sitting there
with intact rivets. I don't see your point AT ALL.
TBC
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| Subject: | Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Guy,
That most assuredly could be aircraft debris. In all the aircraft accidents
I have seen it still amazes me what I will find destroyed and what I will
find relatively intact.
Mike Robertson
>From: "Guy Cotnoir" <guy_cotnoir@msn.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures
>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:59:51 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Guy Cotnoir" <guy_cotnoir@msn.com>
>
>Hello everyone,
>I would like, first and foremost, to apologize in advance for my off topic
>post since it won't be about RV airplane building techniques.
>
>A friend of mine showed me some pictures of a debris found at an airplane
>crash site. As soon as I saw the pictures, I could not believe that this
>was
>an actual airplane crash debris. You can see the pictures of the debris in
>those two links below:
>
>http://renovation.pentagon.mil/Phoenix/9-11-2001/a26-DSC_0446-1.jpg
>http://t2news.navy.m7z.net/management/photodb/photos/010911-N-6157F-001.jpg
>(it's the same part with different angles, lighting and lenses)
>
>I know that most of you are very familiar with aircraft metals and aircraft
>riveting techniques. I also know that few of you might even have worked on
>Boeings a few times so I ask you to please look carefully at the two
>pictures above and tell me if you think it is possible for an aircraft
>component to be detached in a crash and still leaving the rivet locations
>as
>seen relatively undamaged.
>
>I mean, I think that a part pulled away from it's rivets would be severely
>damaged (dimpled, torn or bruised) around the areas were rivets once were
>Please look at it and tell me what you think, I know you will understand
>what I mean the second you look closely at the pictures.
>
>So I would like to know if you think this is possibly a part torn away from
>a crashed airplane or if you think it might be something else.
>
>I know this is not the in the subject theme of this forum and I understand
>that answers to my question might have some political implications so
>please
>contact me off list if you prefer at guy_cotnoir@msn.com
>
>Thanx,
>Guy Cotnoir
>Toronto, Canada
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hasson" <hassonr@theriver.com>
Thanks Will, my reply would not have been nearly as diplomatic as yours.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Couvillon
Subject: RV-List: Re: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
You're right, that certainly is off topic for an RV forum. I am sure that
there is some sort of conspiracy theory chat room out there that may be a
bit more receptive. As for the particular piece in question, who knows how
it came to be in such a condition with the rivet holes in tact...I am
thinking maybe it had something to do with the fact that plane it was
attached to was flown in to some of the thickest concrete walls ever made at
speeds approaching 600 mph! I was there when this happened...I saw the
plane and the gaping hole it left...I saw the injured and dying as they fled
from the pentagon...I personally saw the devastation this caused and I could
not be more offended by the extremists who not only perpetrated this
incident, but who now question whether or not this was one big government
plot to fool the world. I apologize if this post is too pointed, as an RV
builder I am sorry if you are offended. I just wanted to let you know that
there were some people (yes!
even RV builders out here) who lived through this and don't appreciate
where you were going with this post.
Just my 2 cents,
Will
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| Subject: | Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" <kathleen@rv7.us>
Please! Are we really going to take the bait here? Yes, this is really
way off topic. You were right to apologize.
Kathleen Evans
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Cotnoir
Subject: RV-List: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures
--> RV-List message posted by: "Guy Cotnoir" <guy_cotnoir@msn.com>
Hello everyone,
I would like, first and foremost, to apologize in advance for my off topic
post since it won't be about RV airplane building techniques.
A friend of mine showed me some pictures of a debris found at an airplane
crash site. As soon as I saw the pictures, I could not believe that this was
an actual airplane crash debris. You can see the pictures of the debris in
those two links below:
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/Phoenix/9-11-2001/a26-DSC_0446-1.jpg
http://t2news.navy.m7z.net/management/photodb/photos/010911-N-6157F-001.jpg
(it's the same part with different angles, lighting and lenses)
I know that most of you are very familiar with aircraft metals and aircraft
riveting techniques. I also know that few of you might even have worked on
Boeings a few times so I ask you to please look carefully at the two
pictures above and tell me if you think it is possible for an aircraft
component to be detached in a crash and still leaving the rivet locations as
seen relatively undamaged.
I mean, I think that a part pulled away from it's rivets would be severely
damaged (dimpled, torn or bruised) around the areas were rivets once were
Please look at it and tell me what you think, I know you will understand
what I mean the second you look closely at the pictures.
So I would like to know if you think this is possibly a part torn away from
a crashed airplane or if you think it might be something else.
I know this is not the in the subject theme of this forum and I understand
that answers to my question might have some political implications so please
contact me off list if you prefer at guy_cotnoir@msn.com
Thanx,
Guy Cotnoir
Toronto, Canada
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| Subject: | 7a Builders - Step Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" <kathleen@rv7.us>
Can someone email me or post a copy of the plans for step installations in
the 7a? I have riveted my baggage floors down and haven't installed the
steps. I'm drilling rivets out now, but don't have the plans for the step
installations.
Any help would be appreciated.
Do not archive.
Kathleen Evans
www.rv7.us
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| Subject: | Re: raining bullets |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
Agreed, one of Stephen Ambrose's books describes the troops cowering in
their trenches while B-17 engines, landing gear and propellors thudded to
the ground all around them, the parts having come from the bomber stream
encountering anit-aircraft fire.
Scott in Vancouver
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: raining bullets
> --> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
>
> I often wonder about the carnage on the ground under the raging air
> battles
> in Europe. Imagin the planes, bullets and bodies raining down in such a
> battle..
>
> Scott
> do not archive
>
>
>>From: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
>>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing
>>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:56:31 -0800
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
>>
>>re: new years' eve random shooting-
>>
>> I recall reading in a book about WW2 that, on Okinawa, about 50-75
>>soldiers were shot to death on V-J day, from troops celebrating by firing
>>their weapons.
>> The person who related the story spent the night in his foxhole with
>> his
>>helmet on, while spent rounds dropped all around him.
>>Scott in Vancouver
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "jim & terri truitt" <jimteri1@earthlink.net>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RV-List: Re: Orlando RV forced landing
>>
>>
>> > --> RV-List message posted by: jim & terri truitt
>><jimteri1@earthlink.net>
>> >
>> > Highly inprobable random incidents do occur. If I didn't personally
>>know
>> > the woman in the following story, I would have thought "no way".
>> > A few years ago, in my former home town of Evansville, Indiana, a woman
>> > who lives next door to my former residence, went outside with her two
>>dogs
>> > near midnight on New Years Eve. As she bent over to pick up one of the
>> > dogs, a bullet hit her in the back of her neck. No rounds fired in the
>> > neighborhood. Doctors and police officers surmise from the angle of
>> > the
>> > impact and the relatively shallow penetration that a stray bullet,
>> > fired
>> > into the air by some moron, hit her on it's fall to earth.
>> > She was knocked down and was hospitalized, but has recovered.
>> > I, too, have often wondered about stray rounds fired in the middle
>> > east.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Folks, I know I'm not imagining this- the last several days has see a whole
lot of posts that are awfully hard to categorize as related to RV
building/flying/maintaining (and/or untrimmed). This traffic is clogging up the
Matronics
archive, and any of you who rely on this valuable resource know how
frustrating this is when you are looking for useful info.
PLEASE READ the Matronics Use Guidelines Matt posts regularly here if you
have not done so (obviously!), PLEASE do not reply to this message, and PLEASE
DO
NOT ARCHIVE!
(Whew!)
Thanks - Mark Phillips - do not archive (now wasn't that difficult?)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 44 Msgs - 01/18/05 |
--> RV-List message posted by: PSPRV6A@aol.com
Diffusers, pressure & cooling: Our long-departed friend, John Thorp (of
T-18 fame) wrote some good articles on cooling in Sport Aviation about 25
years ago. These will tell more about cooling than you want to know!
Even the big radials shape the cowling to recover pressure and then use
the pressure to force the air thru the cylinder fins. Earlier designs, like
from the 1920's put the cylinders right out in the high velocity airstream.
Cowling those cylinders both improved the cooling and greatly reduced drag. Note
the adjustable exit area (cowl flaps) on all these designs. This reduces the
cooling air consumption at cruise for a further reduction of drag.
Paul S. Petersen, RV6A (with son
Eric) nearing completion
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| Subject: | Passing fire codes for hangar homes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Jeff,
I would urge you to consult with a lawyer. Hopefully you used one when you
bought the lot to research the covenants. If not, get one ASAP.
While 2000 sq ft is large enough for an RV hangar, it is small by airpark
norms. I'd be concerned that the value of the lot and your future
house/hangar has declined if the largest hangar allowed is only 2000 sq ft.
Good luck.
Dennis Persyk Casa de Aero Airpark 68IS
6A N600DP sold
RV Web Page http://home.att.net/~dpersyk/rv6a.htm
> Time: 02:57:16 PM PST US
> From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RV-List: Passing fire codes for hangar homes
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
> HELP. I purchased a lot at an airpark several months ago and just found
out the
> county has adopted a new fire code restricting the size of the hangar to
2000
> sq ft. I had planned on a 3000. Im wondering if anyone has dealt with
this
> and knows of a way around it. I believe its a fire code issue so maybe a
fire
> wall or sprinkler system would fit the bill. One of the subdivision
requirements
> is that the hangar must be attached to the house.
>
> tia
> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A, N915JD
> 150 hours
> Chicago/Louisville
>
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| Subject: | Re: Passing fire codes for hangar homes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
A hanger has it's own occupancy class which should allow for larger sizes
before you have to sprinkle etc. The secret is, you will have to tell them
that you just store the airplane in it. No cars, no boats, no motor bikes,
and no maintenance.
Cross your fingers behind your back when you make all those promises and
when you get your occupancy permit, keep the door closed.......
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Can I (May I) sit in your RV-3? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kenneth Ward <kennethward@peoplepc.com>
Gentlemen and Ladies,
I'm looking for an RV-3 (flying or project) that I may sit in, to see if I can
fit in one, preferably with the owner's permission.
Being 6'3" I have to try it out to be sure. Ken Scott from Van's says I should
fit, but I'd like to sit in one of these birds and see prior to spending what
good will I have with the wife & family.
I'm in Louisville Kentucky, looking for something within a few hours' drive of
here or maybe Detroit Michigan (I can fly free to there).
If you are willing to assist, please contact me off the list by e-mail or on my
mobile 502-418-8652.
Thanks,
Ken Ward
KennethWard@peoplepc.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com
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| Subject: | Edmonton Alberta |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" <kevinsky18@hotmail.com>
I must appologies.
A few days back I posted a message asking to meet any RV builders in or
around the Edmonton area. I forgot to turn down my e-mail filter, so anyone
who might have replied did not get through. So here I am asking again, with
a promise that your e-mail will make it to me this time.
I will be in Edmonton, Alberta This coming weekend. I'm flying down from
Yellowknife and I would love to see any RVs in the area that are either
being built or already flying.
I can be reached at kevinsky18@hotmail.com
Kevin
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| Subject: | Van's Manifold for Pressure Sensors |
--> RV-List message posted by: richard dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Hi Listers,
FWIW
If you are using the Van's anodized aluminum manifold that is threaded
to accept the fuel and oil pressure sensors, you need to check it for
adequate grounding. Apparently, with the overall anodization, grounding
is not assured. In troubleshooting a non working fuel pressure gauge, I
finally determineed that the manifold had a 900 ohm series resistance to
ground. Connecting it to ground with a wire confirmed that. My final
solution was to place a star lockwasher between the flat washer on the
AN3 bolt holding it to the firewall and the manifold.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
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| Subject: | looking for - RV-Rocket steering link |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
Has anyone ever posted the last know info about Terry Jantzi? I saw another
lister post looking for him, but didn't see any replies. I'm looking for a
couple of steering links [yes, for two planes]. I've tried e-mail and his
web-listed phone, but no joy.
TT
Atlanta GA
RV-8QB on its gear
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed <n242ds@cox.net>
> Could someone tell me what specific unit I need to check my mag timing?
> I have a 360 with one electronic ignition and 1 mag. I borrowed one
> unit but the instructions were terrible and I think all it did was tell
> you if both mags are set at to the same advance, this will not work for
> me due to the electronic ignition. Brand name, or even a spruce part
> number would be great...
>
> Thanks a bunch,
>
> Jason
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| Subject: | Interesting aircraft-style starter on ebay |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
I was browsing ebay and came across this starter for airboats. Why
airboats? Is it because of liability? It looks like the price is pretty good
for a
new starter.
Dan Hopper
Walton IN
RV-7A (Flying, well it was when the weather was a little warmer!)
_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4520371044
&category=26442&sspagename=WDVW_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4520371044&category=26442&sspagename=WDVW)
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| Subject: | Interesting aircraft-style starter on ebay |
--> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
I bought one of these starters and it's only been on for about 30hrs and so
far, so good. . I called the company and they sold me one for $150.00
staight up.
Scott
RV6-A Flying
>From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Interesting aircraft-style starter on ebay
>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:40:08 EST
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
>
>I was browsing ebay and came across this starter for airboats. Why
>airboats? Is it because of liability? It looks like the price is pretty
>good for a
>new starter.
>
>Dan Hopper
>Walton IN
>RV-7A (Flying, well it was when the weather was a little warmer!)
>
>_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4520371044
>&category=26442&sspagename=WDVW_
>(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4520371044&category=26442&sspagename=WDVW)
>
>
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| Subject: | looking for - RV-Rocket steering link |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <gra9933@bellsouth.net>
TT: I'm planning on getting one, too. Let me know what you find out.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jordan Grant
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Turbo Tom
Subject: RV-List: looking for - RV-Rocket steering link
--> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
Has anyone ever posted the last know info about Terry Jantzi? I saw another
lister post looking for him, but didn't see any replies. I'm looking for a
couple of steering links [yes, for two planes]. I've tried e-mail and his
web-listed phone, but no joy.
TT
Atlanta GA
RV-8QB on its gear
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| Subject: | Re: Orlando RV forced landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
I guess that's kind of like licking a flag pole during a Minnesota winter...
Do not archive
Gregory Young wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gregory Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
>Yeah, stupidity knows no bounds, either by geography or interest group. The
>guy in the hangar behind me (a pilot and hangar owner) has been seen laying
>on his back, firing his gun straight up in the air ON THE AIRPORT. Go
>figure.
>
>Greg
>
>
>
>> >I'm not one for conspiracy theories but realy what are the
>>chances of
>>
>>
>>
>>>someone first being stupid enough to fire a gun near an airport.
>>>
>>>
>>Come on out to Oakdale, Ca. I'll introduce you to some of
>>the local hunters. :-) They do fire their guns near the
>>airport and we politely ask them to leave. No planes have
>>been shot down thus far. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
Van Arts Consulting Services
3848 McHenry Ave
Suite #155-184
Modesto, CA 95356
209-986-4647
www.rivetbangers.com
Now with email!!
How you want it,
When you want it.
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| Subject: | Re: looking for - RV-Rocket steering link |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@mac.com>
On Jan 19, 2005, at 5:04 PM, Turbo Tom wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
>
> Has anyone ever posted the last know info about Terry Jantzi? I saw
> another
> lister post looking for him, but didn't see any replies. I'm looking
> for a
> couple of steering links
I bought mine (a while ago) from Mark Frederick at Team Rocket. He may
have inventory or know how to reach Terry.
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin iQue 3600a |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LARRY ADAMSON" <rvhi03@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Jewell
Subject: RV-List: Garmin iQue 3600a
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>Hey Gang!
>Garmin has entered the palm top gps flight information arena with this
product.
>http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600a
>Ideas and Opinions please
>Jim in Kelowna
I've been using a Garmin 195Map GPS for years, but much prefer the color moving
map in an RV9A I flew with a Bendix King panel mount.
I planned on a new Garmin 296 with color moving map, especially for it's terrain/obstacle
depiction & warning system. But thanks to the link & the fact that
a vertical GPS would be a better fit, I'm quite interested in seeing just what
this one will do in comparison to the 296, as it's hundreds cheaper.
As I like to fly in mountainous areas, the terrain mapping is #1 on my feature
list.
L.Adamson
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon ramblings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
Skip the HSI, I need the heated pitiot with angle of attack for the
10A. Not currently on Dynon's priority list. Anyone else really want the
Dynon heated pitot?
Matthew M. Jurotich
NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Swales contractor to the
JWST ISIM Systems Engineer
m/c : 443
e-mail mail to: <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
phone : 301-286-5919
fax : 301-286-7021
JWST URL: <http://ngst1.gsfc.nasa.gov
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon ramblings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bryan Jones" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Heated pitot for an RV?? Doesn't sound like a big demand item, IMVHO.
Course 99% of my flying is in S Texas...
If you just have to have it, why not use a Beech or Cessna item in the mean
time???
2 cents
do not archive
Bryan
>--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
>
>Skip the HSI, I need the heated pitiot with angle of attack for the
>10A. Not currently on Dynon's priority list. Anyone else really want the
>Dynon heated pitot?
>
>Matthew M. Jurotich
>
>NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
>Swales contractor to the
>JWST ISIM Systems Engineer
>
>m/c : 443
>e-mail mail to: <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
>phone : 301-286-5919
>fax : 301-286-7021
>
>
>JWST URL: <http://ngst1.gsfc.nasa.gov
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: looking for - RV-Rocket |
steering link)
--> RV-List message posted by: "randall" <rv6n6r@comcast.net>
Speaking of steering links, I have a pair of Brent Anderson's "Tail Lynx".
These are "traditional" in that they have one spring on each side. But
they're a far cry from those old screen-door things! Lots lighter, and
stronger, and more streamlined, and cleaner looking. The feel is a bit
stiffer, which only took me a short time to get used to. Brent is a
mechanical engineer by trade and I can testify that he tested the cr*p out
of them before putting on the market. They are sold through Van's catalog.
Disclaimer: I'd say this even if Brent weren't my hangar mate! :-)
Randall Henderson
RV-6
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| Subject: | Newbie Nervousness Strikes again: Fluting |
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Hi all
So step something says, straighten all the ribs using your handy-dandy
fluting pliers. I spent quite a while getting the ribs all straight and the flanges
bent to 90 degrees. In doing all that, the parts of the rib flanges where
the rivet holes attach to the skin and spars is all pretty flat. In between, it
looks pretty scalloped. Did I do this wrong? Is the skin supposed to be in
perfect contact with the entire rib? Somehow, this just doesn't look right to
me. I would think the skin should really lie flat on the whole surface, but
I am not sure how you accomplish that with ribs bent as they are. Guidance?
Regards,
Michael
RV8 Empennage
San Ramon, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Nervousness Strikes again: Fluting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
Naw, it's supposed to have the waves in it, but the straight sections need
to be where the wing skin rivets will attach.
There should be a drawing-full size?- of a rib, showing where to flute and
not flute, as the wing skins are pre-punched with the rivet locations.
Scott in VAncouver
----- Original Message -----
From: <MLWynn@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Newbie Nervousness Strikes again: Fluting
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> Hi all
>
> So step something says, straighten all the ribs using your handy-dandy
> fluting pliers. I spent quite a while getting the ribs all straight and
> the flanges
> bent to 90 degrees. In doing all that, the parts of the rib flanges where
> the rivet holes attach to the skin and spars is all pretty flat. In
> between, it
> looks pretty scalloped. Did I do this wrong? Is the skin supposed to be
> in
> perfect contact with the entire rib? Somehow, this just doesn't look
> right to
> me. I would think the skin should really lie flat on the whole surface,
> but
> I am not sure how you accomplish that with ribs bent as they are.
> Guidance?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
> RV8 Empennage
> San Ramon, CA
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon ramblings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
ME ME ME ME ME I want one!
Jim in Kelowna {[:>)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Jurotich" <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon ramblings
> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
>
> Skip the HSI, I need the heated pitiot with angle of attack for the
> 10A. Not currently on Dynon's priority list. Anyone else really want the
> Dynon heated pitot?
>
> Matthew M. Jurotich
>
> NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
> Swales contractor to the
> JWST ISIM Systems Engineer
>
> m/c : 443
> e-mail mail to: <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
> phone : 301-286-5919
> fax : 301-286-7021
>
>
> JWST URL: <http://ngst1.gsfc.nasa.gov
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Nervousness Strikes again: Fluting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
If you have the sections where the rivets are flat and in contact with
the skin, that is all you can do and what you want. That is what
fluting is supposed to do.
The only way to do what you are envisioning would be to use a metal
shrinker to shrink the flanges a whole lot - you wouldn't get the plane
done before 2015 :-) .
If you think about how the ribs are made you can see that what you are
envisioning is basically impossible. Van's starts with a flat piece of
aluminum and bends the edges to form the flange. Obviously, the metal
making up the flange was longer on the edge than on the part where it is
connected to the rib. That extra metal has to go somewhere! The fluted
area "uses up" the extra length so the riveted sections will sit nice
and flat against the skin.
Dick Tasker
MLWynn@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
>Hi all
>
>So step something says, straighten all the ribs using your handy-dandy
>fluting pliers. I spent quite a while getting the ribs all straight and the flanges
>bent to 90 degrees. In doing all that, the parts of the rib flanges where
>the rivet holes attach to the skin and spars is all pretty flat. In between,
it
>looks pretty scalloped. Did I do this wrong? Is the skin supposed to be in
>perfect contact with the entire rib? Somehow, this just doesn't look right to
>me. I would think the skin should really lie flat on the whole surface, but
>I am not sure how you accomplish that with ribs bent as they are. Guidance?
>
>Regards,
>
>Michael
>RV8 Empennage
>San Ramon, CA
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Of FLop Tubes and Fuel Senders |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
I am about to build my fuel tanks and it is time to decide on whether to use
flop tubes or fixed fuel pickups and whether to use float or capacitive fuel
senders. I am interested in anyone's comments these topics.
I expect it is unlikely that I will do any aerobatics beyond simple positive
G maneuvers so it probably doesn't make sense to put in flop tubes. Also,
for any maneuvers that really require a flop tube, I would need an inverted
oil system as well, which I am not planning on putting in. On the other
hand, I can't see any real downside to flop tubes as they may give me
flexibility in the future.
With respect to fuel senders, I am leaning toward capacitive, simply because
there are no moving parts. I have heard, though, that some people have had
trouble calibrating them. They do allow me to put in flop tubes without
relocating the float to a different location. Also, if problems arise with
capacitive senders, it is possible to install float senders after the fact
if necessary. Of course float senders are much easier to find gauges that
they work with.
I suppose I should just keep it simple and use the tried and true fixed fuel
pickup with float senders, but I hate to do something that might limit me in
the future.
Any comments would be appreciated.
__________________
Paul Trotter
RV-8 82080 Wing Kit
N801PT (Reserved)
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| Subject: | Ian Brown, contact me |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Where are you Ian Brown?
Is Ian Brown in Ontatio monitoring the list. If so email me and we can talk
and share pictures etc. re- RV panel work.
Jim in Kelowna
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Nervousness Strikes again: Fluting |
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Thanks, Dick
That does make pretty good sense. It just seemed a little wavier than I
thought it ought to be.
Regards,
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Nervousness Strikes again: Fluting |
--> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Mike
The web of the rib should lie flat when laid on a table. The fluting is used to
remove any "banana" in the web of the rib.
Charlie Kuss
---- MLWynn@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> Hi all
>
> So step something says, straighten all the ribs using your handy-dandy
> fluting pliers. I spent quite a while getting the ribs all straight and the
flanges
> bent to 90 degrees. In doing all that, the parts of the rib flanges where
> the rivet holes attach to the skin and spars is all pretty flat. In between,
it
> looks pretty scalloped. Did I do this wrong? Is the skin supposed to be in
> perfect contact with the entire rib? Somehow, this just doesn't look right to
> me. I would think the skin should really lie flat on the whole surface, but
> I am not sure how you accomplish that with ribs bent as they are. Guidance?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
> RV8 Empennage
> San Ramon, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon ramblings |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Myers <jmyers@powernet.org>
I am in the same boat Matt. I hope it IS on their priority list.
John
At 08:41 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
>
>Skip the HSI, I need the heated pitiot with angle of attack for the
>10A. Not currently on Dynon's priority list. Anyone else really want the
>Dynon heated pitot?
>
>Matthew M. Jurotich
>
>NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
>Swales contractor to the
>JWST ISIM Systems Engineer
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| Subject: | Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski" <brett.morawski@buckeye-express.com>
I know that plane was crashed into the Pentagon but I don't see a need for
an apology for asking that question. I know too many idiots (3) who've seen
pictures like that and say "common sense" should tell me that the crash was
staged. What we have here is probably someone who was shown those pictures
and didn't have a good response to say how it was possible that part could
have ended up in that condition so they posted the question to a forum that
could maybe give them the answer.
I'm an engineer with some experience in impact physics and to me those
pictures are not at all inconsistant with a plane crash or explosion. High
speed impacts defy the laws of physics as we usually know them and common
sense as we know it. One classic example is a wood dowel rod fired at ultra
high speed through a thick steel armor plate with almost no damage to the
wooden rod.
Anyway, thanks to the poster for asking the question, and the answer is yes
that that part's condition is not inconsistent with a high speed impact or
explosion.
As for off-topic posts, aren't most posts off-topic for most of us? I'm
still riveting my wings together but I've got to delete 50 messages a day
from people talking about some "Dynon" things and engines and whatever else.
:) Just kidding, its a great forum but I don't want people to be
discouraged from asking a question when they have one. If you don't want to
read a primer question, just delete it like I a delete a Dynon question,
don't add to the clutter by complaining about it (no offense intended to
Kathleen, my first instinct was to post the same response she did). (And
now that I think about it I'm adding to the clutter by posting this).
Anyway, since we're now off-topic, I have have a dumb question - what the
heck is a gascolator?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kathleen (rv7)
Subject: RE: RV-List: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" <kathleen@rv7.us>
Please! Are we really going to take the bait here? Yes, this is really
way off topic. You were right to apologize.
Kathleen Evans
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Cotnoir
Subject: RV-List: Suspicious Aircraft Debris Pictures
--> RV-List message posted by: "Guy Cotnoir" <guy_cotnoir@msn.com>
Hello everyone,
I would like, first and foremost, to apologize in advance for my off topic
post since it won't be about RV airplane building techniques.
A friend of mine showed me some pictures of a debris found at an airplane
crash site. As soon as I saw the pictures, I could not believe that this was
an actual airplane crash debris. You can see the pictures of the debris in
those two links below:
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/Phoenix/9-11-2001/a26-DSC_0446-1.jpg
http://t2news.navy.m7z.net/management/photodb/photos/010911-N-6157F-001.jpg
(it's the same part with different angles, lighting and lenses)
I know that most of you are very familiar with aircraft metals and aircraft
riveting techniques. I also know that few of you might even have worked on
Boeings a few times so I ask you to please look carefully at the two
pictures above and tell me if you think it is possible for an aircraft
component to be detached in a crash and still leaving the rivet locations as
seen relatively undamaged.
I mean, I think that a part pulled away from it's rivets would be severely
damaged (dimpled, torn or bruised) around the areas were rivets once were
Please look at it and tell me what you think, I know you will understand
what I mean the second you look closely at the pictures.
So I would like to know if you think this is possibly a part torn away from
a crashed airplane or if you think it might be something else.
I know this is not the in the subject theme of this forum and I understand
that answers to my question might have some political implications so please
contact me off list if you prefer at guy_cotnoir@msn.com
Thanx,
Guy Cotnoir
Toronto, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon ramblings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
I'm waiting to close up one of my wings because I'd like to plumb the
pitot while things are wide open. I intend to install a Dynon and want
to use *their* pitot so I can get the *their* AOA functionality. I'm
starting to think I made a mistake counting on this particular product
to come to market in a reasonable time though. Very frustrating.
-- Dwight
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On Wed Jan 19 21:41:11 2005, Matt Jurotich wrote :
>Skip the HSI, I need the heated pitiot with angle of attack for the
>10A. Not currently on Dynon's priority list. Anyone else really want the
>Dynon heated pitot?
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| Subject: | Swirl Scratches in Plexi |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Off RV topic, but I've been tasked with getting our C-172's windscreens
polished. Any recommendations out there that does not include Micro Mesh?
Any polishes that will remove the scratches?
People have been using paper towels (ouch) on the windows, and landing into
the sun you can't see anything!
Thanks.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
Kitlog Builder's Software
www.kitlog.com
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| Subject: | off topic posts and gascolator |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Brett Morawski wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski" <brett.morawski@buckeye-express.com>
>
SNIP
>I'm an engineer with some experience in impact physics and to me those
>pictures are not at all inconsistant with a plane crash or explosion.
>
SNIP
>As for off-topic posts, aren't most posts off-topic for most of us?
>
SNIP
>(And now that I think about it I'm adding to the clutter by posting this).
>
And please change the subject line to reflect the information!!! (Not
directed at Brett)
>Anyway, since we're now off-topic, I have have a dumb question - what the
>heck is a gascolator?
>
There are no dumb questions. Only some pretty stupid answers
sometimes!!! :-)
But to answer the question, a gascolator is a filter and sump that is
inserted in the fuel line, usually attached to the firewall. It has
either a quick-drain or a way to remove the 'sump' to empty water and
debris that may be headed to the engine. Personally, I don't like them
because the gaskets will leak over time and there should be plenty of
places to collect trash (read filters) already in the system, and sumps
in the tanks (or lowest point of the tank feed).
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Orlando RV forced landing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gregory Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
With this nutcase it could be either... and I hope I don't catch him doing
either, either.
Greg
> Warning, Warning......Kinda off RV direct subject. humor
> ahead, List Police DELETE NOW.
>
> Maybe he'll try that on a No Wind day and solve the problem.
> Would that be a sillycide or suicide ?
> USMC saying "this is my rifle & this is my gun, this is for
> killing & this is.................". I assume it was his
> "rifle" not his gun.
> Do Not Archive KABONG 8*)
>
> > Yeah, stupidity knows no bounds, either by geography or
> interest group.
> > The
> > guy in the hangar behind me (a pilot and hangar owner) has
> been seen
> > laying on his back, firing his gun straight up in the air ON THE
> > AIRPORT. Go figure.
> >
> > Greg
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