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1. 04:38 AM - Re: When to drill my elevator control horns? (LarryRobertHelming)
2. 09:22 AM - Re: Brass/Copper bus bar (jacklockamy)
3. 11:14 AM - Brass/Copper bus bar ()
4. 12:40 PM - Rust proof tail wheel spring connector clips (HCRV6@aol.com)
5. 12:42 PM - Re: Brass/Copper bus bar (HCRV6@aol.com)
6. 01:13 PM - RV's/Warbirds (Bryan Jones)
7. 01:32 PM - Re: Fuel Injection (Jerry Grimmonpre)
8. 01:36 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (David Burton)
9. 01:49 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Tom Gummo)
10. 02:30 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Doug Rozendaal)
11. 03:45 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (gert)
12. 04:14 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Brian Denk)
13. 04:50 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (JOHN STARN)
14. 05:05 PM - Re: Brass/Copper bus bar (Tim Bryan)
15. 05:28 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (John Huft)
16. 06:42 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Tom Gummo)
17. 06:54 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Jim Oke)
18. 07:14 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Bryan Jones)
19. 07:43 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Brian Denk)
20. 08:35 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Paul Besing)
21. 09:58 PM - Re: Dynon ramblings (Todd Bartrim)
22. 11:15 PM - SEA----PHX (Ronald Vandervort)
23. 11:42 PM - Right Angle Drill (MLWynn@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: When to drill my elevator control horns? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
You can drill the horns on the bench if you would like to do it now before
the fuselage is complete. That is when/how I did mine. Mount the elevators
on the HS per builder's manual and plans allowing the horns to hang down
from your work surface's edge. Be sure to fabricate a wood or metal block
to fit snugly between the horns to ensure they stay perfectly square and in
correct position. Clamp the elevators in perfect position. You might like
to check Dan Checkoway's web site. He recommends using a drill guide to
help ensure the drill angle is correct and protect the bearing you drill
through as a hole location guide. **This is a critical activity as some
have found out after the fact if you do it poorly.** So, take your time
here and drill it right the first time. You don't want any slop in the
final horn holes. I drilled the holes smaller than needed and used a reemer
to bring to final size.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
Evansville, Indiana (just north of western Kentucky)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: When to drill my elevator control horns?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker"
<retasker@optonline.net>
>
> Same for the 9A.
>
> Dick Tasker
>
> Charles Rowbotham wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
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> >
> >Hi Will,
> >
> >With out 8A we drilled the horn toward the end of the project after
> >installing the HS. Not sure about the 9A.
> >
> >Good Building,
> >
> >Chuck Rowbotham
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
> >>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: RV-List: When to drill my elevator control horns?
> >>Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:23:14 -0500
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Brass/Copper bus bar |
--> RV-List message posted by: "jacklockamy" <jacklockamy@verizon.net>
You can make your own 'bar' from either brass or copper by buying the appropriate
tubing, cut it to length, place the tubing in a vise and smash it flat! Works
great and it's cheap.
Jack Lockamy
Camarillo, CA
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| Subject: | Brass/Copper bus bar |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
"Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com> Wrote:
>A search of the local hardware stores only netted .025 copper to
>connect my battery contactor and starter contactor. However, I found some .062
>brass.
Here are some common conductivity numbers @ 300Kelvin (about 27c)
Units are relative (nm)
Silver:.......15.9
Copper.....17.1
Gold.........22.1
Aluminum.26.5
Brass.......64.0
Nickle.......69.3
Tin...........115
Solder......150
Steel(plain)180
Lead.........208
Water......181,100x10
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Looks like you should stick with Copper.
Cheers G (RV-4, RV-7 project)
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| Subject: | Rust proof tail wheel spring connector clips |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Does anyone know of a source for stainless steel tail wheel spring connector
clips? The ones that came with my tail wheel from Van's have rusted badly in
only a few months.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, flying!
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| Subject: | Re: Brass/Copper bus bar |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Brass will work just fine.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, flying!
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bryan Jones" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Interesting discussion going on over on the Yak list. They're debating what
is and is not a warbird. Some have made the point that RV's are/were used
in the Nigerian Air Force. Wouldn't that make RV's (-6/7A's) warbirds???
Certainly as much as any Yak 52TW, I'd imagine.
Bryan Jones -8
Houston
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Many thanks to all contributing the data points for this short thread ...
Airflow Performance is the favored choice ... and the responses from the
experience on this list are reassuring as well.
Regards ...
Jerry Grimmonpre
7A
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
Fun photos if nothing else... Lots of options too.
http://www.dananig.com/air_betle.htm
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Trainers, maybe. :-)
Remember, that are only two types of aircraft:
FIGHTERS and Targets.
In the world of homebuilds, I think anything based on the RV series is
clearly a Fighter. :-)
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Jones" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bryan Jones" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
> Interesting discussion going on over on the Yak list. They're debating
> what
> is and is not a warbird. Some have made the point that RV's are/were used
> in the Nigerian Air Force. Wouldn't that make RV's (-6/7A's) warbirds???
> Certainly as much as any Yak 52TW, I'd imagine.
>
> Bryan Jones -8
> Houston
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
All,
Here is an interesting topic. And one for which I have an opinion.
(imagine that)
What is a warbird anyway? Some would say that a warbird is surplus military
airplane. Are the P-51A's being built from scratch in North Dakota
Warbirds? The pureist say no, but I say it depends, because I have a
different definition. I believe a Warbird is, "A tool we use to tell a
story."
If anyone want to paint their RV up in Warbird colors of the Nigerian Air
Force and run around telling the story of how this country is being
inventive to teach their people to fly, then clearly that airplane is a
Warbird.
If someone else wanted to paint an RV up in the Colors of the Tuskegee
Airmen and fly around the country telling young people that once upon a time
a whole group of people had no chance to fly and fight for their country,
but because of hard work, dicipline, and constancy of purpose, these men
changed the world, then that airplane would be a Warbird.
Let me give an example, Tora Tora Tora flies a bunch of butchered up, highly
modified T-6's and BT-13 cross breeds painted up Like Zeros, Kates and Vals.
Does anyone not believe they are Warbirds? They absolutely and very
effectively tell a story. They clearly tell a story.
Conversely there are surplus military airplanes flying around and their
primary purpose is to tell people about the weatlh of the owner. Hardly a
warbird in my book.
That is my $.02 worth.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
lowly Warbird puke.....
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
I was there when the first RV6 in nigerian colors taxied into the
warbird area at Oshkosh, many moons ago.
It was quite hilarious, but, in the end, they let him in and park in the
Warbird area.
Bryan Jones wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bryan Jones" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
>Interesting discussion going on over on the Yak list. They're debating what
>is and is not a warbird. Some have made the point that RV's are/were used
>in the Nigerian Air Force. Wouldn't that make RV's (-6/7A's) warbirds???
>Certainly as much as any Yak 52TW, I'd imagine.
>
>Bryan Jones -8
>Houston
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>Trainers, maybe. :-)
>
>Remember, that are only two types of aircraft:
>
>FIGHTERS and Targets.
>
>In the world of homebuilds, I think anything based on the RV series is
>clearly a Fighter. :-)
>
>Tom Gummo
>Apple Valley, CA
>Harmon Rocket-II
Gummibear,
So now I'm at a quandry. Where does the RV-10 fit in? Bomber wannabe?
Executive (four star general) transport? We're talking a whole different
breed of RV!
So now I'm building a target, and have to sell the fighter to fund it. The
horror!
Have mercy on this future bomber driver if'n you ever get a lock on me.
Boy, having kids sure does change your mission profile. :)
Peace,
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51 hibernation until airpark home is secured.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
How 'bout a cool single screw blue canoe. Or MacArthur's Navion (Poor man's
P-51). KABONG
Want to see a grown man cry ? Mention to Tom the F-4's turned into tragets.
Do Not Archive.
>>FIGHTERS and Targets.
>>
>>In the world of homebuilds, I think anything based on the RV series is
>>clearly a Fighter. :-)
>>
>>Tom Gummo, Gummibear,
>>Apple Valley, CA
>>Harmon Rocket-II
>
> So now I'm at a quandry. Where does the RV-10 fit in? Bomber wannabe?
> Executive (four star general) transport? We're talking a whole different
> breed of RV!
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| Subject: | Re: Brass/Copper bus bar |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Looks like you should stick with Copper
According to your numbers, Brass is an excellent conductor. However, as
suggested you can get copper easy at a plumbing store. Remember though that
the copper is not pure either. It will be a mix but still an excellent
conductor.
Tim Bryan
Redmond, OR.
N616TB RV-6
-------Original Message-------
From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
Subject: RV-List: Brass/Copper bus bar
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
"Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com> Wrote:
>A search of the local hardware stores only netted .025 copper to
>connect my battery contactor and starter contactor. However, I found some
062
>brass.
Here are some common conductivity numbers @ 300Kelvin (about 27c)
Units are relative (nm)
Silver:.......15.9
Copper.....17.1
Gold.........22.1
Aluminum.26.5
Brass.......64.0
Nickle.......69.3
Tin...........115
Solder......150
Steel(plain)180
Lead.........208
Water......181,100x10
9
Looks like you should stick with Copper.
Cheers G (RV-4, RV-7 project)
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
A real purist would say a warbird is a combat aircraft on active duty.
Over the holidays I was visiting with a friend's father, who flew the
B-24 in WWII. He feels that the CAF are a bunch of wannabees, who are
being disrespectful to those who fought and died in those aircraft, in
defense of our freedom.
To each his own I guess.
John
Doug Rozendaal wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
>All,
>
>Here is an interesting topic. And one for which I have an opinion.
>(imagine that)
>
>What is a warbird anyway? Some would say that a warbird is surplus military
>airplane. Are the P-51A's being built from scratch in North Dakota
>Warbirds? The pureist say no, but I say it depends, because I have a
>different definition. I believe a Warbird is, "A tool we use to tell a
>story."
>
>If anyone want to paint their RV up in Warbird colors of the Nigerian Air
>Force and run around telling the story of how this country is being
>inventive to teach their people to fly, then clearly that airplane is a
>Warbird.
>
>If someone else wanted to paint an RV up in the Colors of the Tuskegee
>Airmen and fly around the country telling young people that once upon a time
>a whole group of people had no chance to fly and fight for their country,
>but because of hard work, dicipline, and constancy of purpose, these men
>changed the world, then that airplane would be a Warbird.
>
>Let me give an example, Tora Tora Tora flies a bunch of butchered up, highly
>modified T-6's and BT-13 cross breeds painted up Like Zeros, Kates and Vals.
>Does anyone not believe they are Warbirds? They absolutely and very
>effectively tell a story. They clearly tell a story.
>
>Conversely there are surplus military airplanes flying around and their
>primary purpose is to tell people about the weatlh of the owner. Hardly a
>warbird in my book.
>
>That is my $.02 worth.
>
>Tailwinds,
>Doug Rozendaal
>lowly Warbird puke.....
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Brian,
While all this is in fun lets go back one step.
Being a FIGHTER PILOT is not a profession but way of life or maybe a mental
attitude.
If you fly your plane safety, fly with-in your limits (you can fly to the
edge of your limits but not over), learn all there is to learn about flying
your plane, etc. etc. - you maybe a Fighter Pilot. Therefore, your plane is
a fighter.
I can't believe I am saying this but even Doug maybe be a Fighter Pilot.
:-) I still hate him because he gets to fly P-51s, etc.
Brian, I will forgive you for building a RV-10 if you promise to go back to
a single or two seat aircraft once the kids grow up. OK, you may have
grandkids by then so the forgiveness may be extended.
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Wild Weasel #1573
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>>
>
>>Trainers, maybe. :-)
>>
>>Remember, that are only two types of aircraft:
>>
>>FIGHTERS and Targets.
>>
>>In the world of homebuilds, I think anything based on the RV series is
>>clearly a Fighter. :-)
>>
>>Tom Gummo
>>Apple Valley, CA
>>Harmon Rocket-II
>
> Gummibear,
>
> So now I'm at a quandry. Where does the RV-10 fit in? Bomber wannabe?
> Executive (four star general) transport? We're talking a whole different
> breed of RV!
>
> So now I'm building a target, and have to sell the fighter to fund it.
> The
> horror!
>
> Have mercy on this future bomber driver if'n you ever get a lock on me.
>
> Boy, having kids sure does change your mission profile. :)
>
> Peace,
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 '51 hibernation until airpark home is secured.
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Interesting spec sheet too. Note the stated 7.82 metre wingspan = 25 ft 9 in
or so compared to 23 ft for a stock RV-6A. Is this the extended wingspan
version they mention or does the IF trainer have an even longer span? The
picture shows the extra span mostly outboard of the ailerons. Also the 840
kilo MTOW is about 1850 lbs or 200 lbs above the typical RV-6A MTOW.
The panel picture is interesting, engine monitor in the center, lots of
radios and a CB panel at the right lower?
Jim Oke
RV-6A (not an Air Beetle) C-GKGZ
Wpg, MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
>
> Fun photos if nothing else... Lots of options too.
> http://www.dananig.com/air_betle.htm
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bryan Jones" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>A real purist would say a warbird is a combat aircraft on active duty.
Warbirds in *my* strict definition would be aircraft that delivered weapons
and ordinance for a military org. But I am SURE not going to fault those
people who decorate their Aircoupes, J-3's, C-337's as observation or
L-birds so they can attend a few airshows. More power to them!!
>Over the holidays I was visiting with a friend's father, who flew the
>B-24 in WWII. He feels that the CAF are a bunch of wannabees, who are
>being disrespectful to those who fought and died in those aircraft, in
>defense of our freedom.
This gets back to the old question about flying mil surplus aircraft - put
them in a museum or fly them. I say fly (most) of them, even with wannabe
pilots (who put up large sums of money and sweat to keep them in the air).
Bryan Jones
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>Brian,
>
>While all this is in fun lets go back one step.
>
>Being a FIGHTER PILOT is not a profession but way of life or maybe a mental
>attitude.
>
>If you fly your plane safety, fly with-in your limits (you can fly to the
>edge of your limits but not over), learn all there is to learn about flying
>your plane, etc. etc. - you maybe a Fighter Pilot. Therefore, your plane
>is
>a fighter.
>
>I can't believe I am saying this but even Doug maybe be a Fighter Pilot.
>:-) I still hate him because he gets to fly P-51s, etc.
>
>Brian, I will forgive you for building a RV-10 if you promise to go back to
>a single or two seat aircraft once the kids grow up. OK, you may have
>grandkids by then so the forgiveness may be extended.
>
>Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
>Wild Weasel #1573
>Apple Valley, CA
>Harmon Rocket-II
I'll always have the "guns guns guns!!! Turn until the skins wrinkle and the
wso pukes" approach to flying....within my own limits...abilities technical
and physical. As much as I also hate Doug, my hat's off to ya, man. You
done good, earned the right to fly the mil spec iron and do so safely. A
long while back I escorted you out of Double Eagle...in that long string of
B-25's. Man, that was awesome! My -8 was breathing hard to keep up but your
starboard side was well protected.
I fully intend to complete the fleet in the Denk Airborne Armada with an RV3
when the -10 is alive and serving the family truckster role. Wally world
Wally world!! OK ok, who has to pee NOW??? Who's the moosiest moose there
is....Marty Moose...
Egads...movie flashback.
Keep the flying warrior spirit alive. It's in us all, whether in the form
of a Luscombe 8 or RV-X, Rocket, hot air balloon.....NOT!!! Heh. Man, talk
about a target rich environment...Albuquerque International Balloon
Fiesta....Grrrrrrr.....heater tone....FIRE! Boom! Scratch one special
shape. Hey, that flying Jim Beam bottle looks tasty...
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Hey, do helicopters count as warbirds?
Paul Besing
AH-64D Apache Longbow Driver
(not quite a war bird, but very effective!)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Denk
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>Brian,
>
>While all this is in fun lets go back one step.
>
>Being a FIGHTER PILOT is not a profession but way of life or maybe a mental
>attitude.
>
>If you fly your plane safety, fly with-in your limits (you can fly to the
>edge of your limits but not over), learn all there is to learn about flying
>your plane, etc. etc. - you maybe a Fighter Pilot. Therefore, your plane
>is
>a fighter.
>
>I can't believe I am saying this but even Doug maybe be a Fighter Pilot.
>:-) I still hate him because he gets to fly P-51s, etc.
>
>Brian, I will forgive you for building a RV-10 if you promise to go back to
>a single or two seat aircraft once the kids grow up. OK, you may have
>grandkids by then so the forgiveness may be extended.
>
>Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
>Wild Weasel #1573
>Apple Valley, CA
>Harmon Rocket-II
I'll always have the "guns guns guns!!! Turn until the skins wrinkle and the
wso pukes" approach to flying....within my own limits...abilities technical
and physical. As much as I also hate Doug, my hat's off to ya, man. You
done good, earned the right to fly the mil spec iron and do so safely. A
long while back I escorted you out of Double Eagle...in that long string of
B-25's. Man, that was awesome! My -8 was breathing hard to keep up but your
starboard side was well protected.
I fully intend to complete the fleet in the Denk Airborne Armada with an RV3
when the -10 is alive and serving the family truckster role. Wally world
Wally world!! OK ok, who has to pee NOW??? Who's the moosiest moose there
is....Marty Moose...
Egads...movie flashback.
Keep the flying warrior spirit alive. It's in us all, whether in the form
of a Luscombe 8 or RV-X, Rocket, hot air balloon.....NOT!!! Heh. Man, talk
about a target rich environment...Albuquerque International Balloon
Fiesta....Grrrrrrr.....heater tone....FIRE! Boom! Scratch one special
shape. Hey, that flying Jim Beam bottle looks tasty...
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Todd Bartrim" <haywire@telus.net>
Hi Bob
I haven't done any detailed testing to any precise standards, however I
find that in any straight ahead flight from high speed down to stall they
are very close to one another. But they are mounted on opposite wings, so
you can see the difference in lift while turning. The PSS AOA should be more
accurate as it actually measures true AOA, while the Dynon just infers it,
but I find they are to close to tell. Keep in mind that both have to be
calibrated in flight by flying a calibration routine and each of them
requires a different routine allowing for more chance of difference between
them. So I doubt that an attempt at more precise testing would be worth much
more. The Dynon doesn't have a switch to indicate flaps down, however the
calibration routine required a stall be performed with flaps down. (4
different stalls in 4 different flight configs) and it is still accurate
with flaps down.
The Dynon display is easy to see in sunlight, whereas the LEDs on the PSS
can be a little washed out. I moved the PSS display onto the glaresheild
facing up to give me a heads-up display. It works great in all but bright
sunlight. But the audible warning on the PSS is nice, whereas the older D-10
doesn't have this.
Todd Bartrim
RV9Endurance
13B Turbo Rotary
C-FSTB
"The world will always have a place for those that bring hard
work and determination to the things they do."
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob J
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon ramblings
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob J <rocketbob@gmail.com>
Hi Todd,
Have you done any sort of detailed testing to see what the actual
differences are between the PSS AOA and the Dynon? I would be
interested in seeing what indicated differences there are during stall
at more than 1G, of if the Dynon will show changes in AOA during gusty
conditions.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ronald Vandervort <ronvandervort@earthlink.net>
Hello John et al.
I have flown the route roundtrip at least 4 times.....south mid
November and north mid May with my 0-360 CS RV-6.
The trick is of course getting on your way southbound out of Seattle
or northbound back into Seattle re. the SEA weather.
My route over the cascades varies as the weather dictates, with
following roads across the cascades essential. The Columbia gorge
offers passage many times when other passes do not. My unfettered
flight plan takes me on a (GPS-Goes Perfectly Straight) straight line,
(with deviations to stay near roads over the Cascades) from
Kelso-Lonview to Winnemucca or Battlemountain Nevada for the "half way"
fuel stop. Then on a straight line over West Grand Canyon and Peach
Springs VOR to PHX. It is right on the edge for a one fuel stop
flight in the RV-6 (38 gals), so I plan two stops and use Burns Ore. or
Mesquite Utah or The Dalles etc. depending on how the weather affected
the planning. Three of the eight flights have been one stoppers.
As the flight plans about 7.5 to 8.5 hrs enroute, re. the winds, it is
nice to do it all in one day. However Seattle weather being what it
is; not allowing one to get airborne until late afternoon on many days
I have at times departed late afternoon with just enough daylight to
get me to the east side of the Cascades and thus set up for a leisure
shot all of the way to PHX the next day. The Dalles has worked nicely
for an overnight as I have friends there. Take care to not get caught
however in the occasional early morning valley fog in the Columbia
basin for the early morning launch.
The high peaks are sparse enough that it is very easy to navigate
around them through the high desert areas and still remain comfortable,
at least for me, re. having roads or desirable terrain for an emergency
landing. The MOAs have been no problem. I use flight following
wherever possible and talk to MOA facility where possible as well. ATC
can help with MOA info as well. Due to high terrain flight following
is not always possible although one can stay tuned to an ATC frequency
and communicate with them even though they cannot see you on radar.
It would be a long walk out from many places if one had to put down.
Thus it is wise to take along a first aid kit and food and water to
last you for a few days and clothes and shoes that would make any
trekking an easier option.
Besides Seattle my weather issues have occured between Burns and
Winnemucca and between Battle Mountain and Peach Springs/Grand Canyon.
That is high country with varying predictability. In my experience the
forecasts have been accurate in those areas. Typically my enroute
altitude is 9,500 or so.....which is about what most of the taller
peaks are at.
Take care in choosing airports for fuel stops, as there are many
lessor strips and State Airports that do not have fuel.
Good luck on your flight. Let me know if I can be of further help.
Ron Vandervort 1000 hrs RV-6
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> 1. 12:13 AM - Visit to Kissimmee, FL (j1j2h3@juno.com)
> 2. 05:36 AM - RV9 Elevator (Chenoweth)
> 3. 05:58 AM - Re: RV9 Elevator (Will Couvillon)
> 4. 07:16 AM - Re: Swirl Scratches in Plexi (wskimike)
> 5. 07:20 AM - Re: RV9 Elevator (Turbo Tom)
> 6. 07:59 AM - Has anyone tried PreKote? (Mike Draper)
> 7. 08:09 AM - Re: RV9 Elevator (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
> 8. 08:46 AM - Re: RV9 Elevator (LarryRobertHelming)
> 9. 10:16 AM - Need Advice on Seatle to Scottsdale Flight (John
> Wiegenstein)
> 10. 11:56 AM - Re: Need Advice on Seatle to Scottsdale Flight
> (LARRY ADAMSON)
> 11. 12:17 PM - Re: Need Advice on Seatle to Scottsdale Flight
> (Tony Marshall)
> 12. 01:41 PM - Re: Has anyone tried PreKote? (Richard Sipp)
> 13. 02:25 PM - When to drill my elevator control horns? (William
> Couvillon)
> 14. 04:17 PM - Re: Visit to Kissimmee, FL (James H Nelson)
> 15. 04:42 PM - Re: Has anyone tried PreKote? (Charlie Kuss)
> 16. 05:38 PM - Re: Need Advice on Seattle to Scottsdale Flight
> (Larry Olson)
> 17. 05:38 PM - Brass/Copper bus bar (Dana Overall)
> 18. 05:40 PM - Airport Directory (Alex Peterson)
> 19. 06:16 PM - Fw: Has anyone tried PreKote? (Richard Sipp)
> 20. 06:38 PM - Re: test (Gary Zilik)
> 21. 07:29 PM - Re: When to drill my elevator control horns?
> (Charles Rowbotham)
> 22. 09:17 PM - Re: When to drill my elevator control horns?
> (Richard E. Tasker)
> 23. 09:35 PM - Re: Airport Directory (linn walters)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:13:28 AM PST US
> Subject: RV-List: Visit to Kissimmee, FL
> From: j1j2h3@juno.com
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
>
> I will be visiting in Kissimmee, FL March 12 through 18. I would like
> to
> visit any RV builders or owners in the area.
>
>
> Jim Hasper - RV-7
> Giving new meaning to the term "slow build"
> Franklin, TN
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:36:33 AM PST US
> From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> Subject: RV-List: RV9 Elevator
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>
> I'm approaching the point in elevator construction where I have to
> rivet stiffeners
> to skin and skin to spar. I've managed to avoid having to bend the
> skin
> much by doing the match drilling and dimpling from the "outside".
>
> Skin bending/lifting to the extent needed to rivet looks very
> intimidating (the
> flexing that goes on at the cut-outs for the hinges is particularly
> scary).
>
> Those who've built the nine probably have noticed the inconsistency
> between the
> instructions ("rivet stiffeners to top of skin, rivet skin to top of
> spar, rivet
> stiffeners to bottom of skin") and the photo in the back where someone
> is
> riveting the spar with all the stiffeners already in place.
>
> So I'm looking for help with the proper sequence of events, with
> techniques for
> safely "lifting" the skin enough to access the area near its leading
> edge, and
> with ideas on riveting stiffeners and spar to skin. I will have a
> helper when
> I do this. Also I'm curious about the technique taught in those
> week-long
> empennage classes.
>
> I have the Orndorff video. Perhaps that describes the best approach?
> Thanks for the help.
> Bill
> Albion, Maine
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:58:51 AM PST US
> From: "Will Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV9 Elevator
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Will Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
>
> Bill,
>
> I just finished my elevators and found several tricks that worked best
> for
> me. As for the sequence, rivet all top stiffeners first, then flip it
> over
> and tie down the bottom skin, peel back and rivet in the upper portion
> of
> the spar, rivet the bottom stiffeners, then pop rivet the bottom
> portion of
> the spar. You can see what I did with photos in page 3 of the
> empennage
> section on my log site:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~wcouv/
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Will
> 91056
>
>> From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>> Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV-List: RV9 Elevator
>> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:34:07 -0500
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>>
>> I'm approaching the point in elevator construction where I have to
>> rivet
>> stiffeners to skin and skin to spar. I've managed to avoid having to
>> bend
>> the skin much by doing the match drilling and dimpling from the
>> "outside".
>>
>> Skin bending/lifting to the extent needed to rivet looks very
>> intimidating
>> (the flexing that goes on at the cut-outs for the hinges is
>> particularly
>> scary).
>>
>> Those who've built the nine probably have noticed the inconsistency
>> between
>> the instructions ("rivet stiffeners to top of skin, rivet skin to top
>> of
>> spar, rivet stiffeners to bottom of skin") and the photo in the back
>> where
>> someone is riveting the spar with all the stiffeners already in place.
>>
>> So I'm looking for help with the proper sequence of events, with
>> techniques
>> for safely "lifting" the skin enough to access the area near its
>> leading
>> edge, and with ideas on riveting stiffeners and spar to skin. I will
>> have
>> a helper when I do this. Also I'm curious about the technique taught
>> in
>> those week-long empennage classes.
>>
>> I have the Orndorff video. Perhaps that describes the best approach?
>> Thanks for the help.
>> Bill
>> Albion, Maine
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:16:27 AM PST US
> From: "wskimike" <wskimike@mchsi.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Swirl Scratches in Plexi
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "wskimike" <wskimike@mchsi.com>
>
> Micro-mesh requires time but if done properly you will get great
> results.
> The trick is using the right grit and keeping it wet. If you let it
> get the
> least bit dry, that is why most people take longer than it really
> requires.
> It's a feel thing that just takes practice.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Swirl Scratches in Plexi
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson"
>> <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>>
>>>>
>>> Scratches can be deeper than they appear! Micro-mesh is the
>>> way to go
>>> ..... more expensive but less labor intensive. Here there is no
>>> substitute for the strong-arm method. You just can't hurry it.
>>
>>
>> I used Micro Mesh on some windscreen scratches, probably put in about
>> 12
>> hours using the system before I gave up. I don't doubt that a good
>> outcome
>> was possible, it just was taking an unreasonable amount of time and
>> effort.
>> Then, I got a Scratch-Off kit. Piece of cake, whole thing fixed up
>> in an
>> hour or less. The foam pads for use on a drill are the only way to
>> go.
>>
>> Alex Peterson
>> RV6-A 569 hours
>> Maple Grove, MN
>>
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:20:12 AM PST US
> From: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV9 Elevator
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
>
> I will have a helper when I do this. Also I'm curious about the
> technique
> taught in those week-long empennage classes.
>>
>
> As a veteran of one of those classes, I guess it is my turn to chime
> in.
>
> Bill, I've got two words for you; back riveting.
>
> It will take two people and a few specialized tools; a back riveting
> plate,
> and we used a made-for-the-task back riveting rivet-set.
>
> After fitting all the stiffeners and dimpling everything, flush rivets
> are
> placed in the skin and rivet tape is used to hold them in place. You
> can do
> one whole side at a time. The outside of the skin is placed on the
> steel
> plate [the tape holds the rivets in]. Each stiffener is placed over
> the
> rivet shanks that are protruding up through the skin. Then, one man
> holds
> the skin open [by "peeling back the open end] and hold the skin
> against the
> plate while the other hammers the shank end of the rivet with the the
> back-riveting set. It goes VERY quickly after all the set-up is done.
>
> These are the nicest flush rivets on the airplane. There's a reason
> folks
> go to the trouble of back riveting as many rivets as can be done that
> way.
>
> When one side is finished, flip the skin over. Rinse and repeat.
>
> Avery Tools has the specialty rivet set. It has a spring loaded
> collar that
> helps get a firm hold on the set and clamps the two pieces together.
> You
> need a rather large piece of steel to back up the work. That might be
> the
> hardest part to obtain. Alexander's of course, had a special table
> set up
> for this operation.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> TT
>
> RV-8 QB
> ATL GA
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:59:46 AM PST US
> From: Mike Draper <mdraper@nww.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Has anyone tried PreKote?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mike Draper <mdraper@nww.com>
>
> I am thinking about trying PreKote instead of the traditional
> etch/conversion coating process. Anyone with first hand experience
> using
> this stuff?
>
> From their web site
> (http://www.terravendi.com/PreKote/prekote-main-en.asp
> <http://www.terravendi.com/PreKote/prekote-main-en.asp> )
>
> PreKote(tm) is a non-chromate surface pretreatment compound that
> improves
> adhesion and reduces corrosion in a safe hazard-free process. By
> virtually
> eliminating the need for chromate conversion coatings, acid etches, and
> other toxic processes, PreKote cuts paint preparation time and costs
> up to
> 40% and achieves superior results.
> - Mike Draper
> RV-8 QB
>
>
> Message
>
> <META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1479" nameGENERATOR>
>
> I am thinking about
> trying PreKote instead of the traditional etch/conversion coating
> process. Anyone with first hand experience using this
> stuff?
> <SPAN
> class833055415-22012005>
> From their web site
> (<A
> ">http://www.terravendi.com/PreKote/prekote-main-en.asp)
> <SPAN
> class833055415-22012005>
> <FONT
> faceVerdana>PreKote(tm) is a non-chromate surface pretreatment
> compound that improves adhesion and reduces corrosion in a safe
> hazard-free
> process. By virtually eliminating the need for chromate conversion
> coatings,
> acid etches, and other toxic processes, PreKote cuts paint preparation
> time and
> costs up to 40% and achieves superior results.
>
>
> <FONT faceArial
> size2>
> - Mike
> Draper
> RV-8
> QB
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:09:03 AM PST US
> From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV9 Elevator
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 1/22/05 10:21:59 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
> turbotom@mindspring.com writes:
>
> You
> need a rather large piece of steel to back up the work. That might
> be the
> hardest part to obtain. Alexander's of course, had a special table
> set up
> for this operation.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> TT
>
> RV-8 QB
> ATL GA
>
>
> I found a nice piece of steel at the local scrap yard. Walked through
> the
> yard until I found what I was looking for, and paid only about 10
> cents per
> pound. Also found some nice odd bucking bars there too.
>
> Dan Hopper
> Walton, IN
> RV-7A (Flying, well it did the last time I tried it.)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:46:08 AM PST US
> From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV9 Elevator
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
> <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
> If you have a auto or truck spring shop in your town, they should have
> spare
> and unneeded pieces of plate steel suitable for this back riveting
> task.
> That is where I got mine. I also picked up a few smaller pieces that
> I have
> found handy for various other things that have come up. The spring
> shop in
> my town had pieces of scrape that weight about 10 pounds and under.
> The
> heavier the better. I just had to buff it up a bit with a scotch brite
> wheel. Cost was nothing. YMMV.
>
> Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
>
> Evansville, Indiana (just north of western Kentucky)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Hopperdhh@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV9 Elevator
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/22/05 10:21:59 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
>> turbotom@mindspring.com writes:
>>
>> You
>> need a rather large piece of steel to back up the work. That might
>> be
> the
>> hardest part to obtain. Alexander's of course, had a special table
>> set
> up
>> for this operation.
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>> TT
>>
>> RV-8 QB
>> ATL GA
>>
>>
>> I found a nice piece of steel at the local scrap yard. Walked through
> the
>> yard until I found what I was looking for, and paid only about 10
>> cents
> per
>> pound. Also found some nice odd bucking bars there too.
>>
>> Dan Hopper
>> Walton, IN
>> RV-7A (Flying, well it did the last time I tried it.)
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:16:46 AM PST US
> From: "John Wiegenstein" <n727jw@hellerwiegenstein.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Need Advice on Seatle to Scottsdale Flight
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Wiegenstein"
> <n727jw@hellerwiegenstein.com>
>
> Hi all - This is a bit off topic but I thought that some advice from
> you
> listers might be a place to start. I'm considering flying my
> O-360/CS RV-6
> from Seattle to a seminar in Scottsdale, AZ in mid-march. Flight
> would be
> VFR with GPS as primary nav source and VOR as backup (plus sectionals
> and Mk
> 1 eyeball, of course). The AOPA Flight Planner calculates the shortest
> Victor airway route as being though Boise, down over Salt Lake, then
> essentially south to the Phoenix area, about 7 hrs or so en route at a
> planned average of 160 KTAS. Lots of big rocky areas and high
> desert, and
> empty spaces. A route down the coast to Southern Cal and then
> hanging a
> hard left over the mountains looks to be a bit longer but might provide
> better options for diverting to alternates and/or forced landing areas
> - but
> still some big rocky areas to go over.
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions (reply off list) as to best routes
> for
> this flight, things to watch out for, and whether I can realistically
> expect
> cooperative weather over this distance at that time of year. Also, if
> there are other forums (fora?) that would be better suited to these
> kinds of
> inquiries, I would appreciate that info too. TIA! (do not archive)
>
> John Wiegenstein
> Hansville, WA
> RV-6 N727JW
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:56:17 AM PST US
> From: "LARRY ADAMSON" <rvhi03@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Need Advice on Seatle to Scottsdale Flight
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LARRY ADAMSON" <rvhi03@msn.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Wiegenstein
> Subject: RV-List: Need Advice on Seatle to Scottsdale Flight
>
> Personally, I prefer the big rocky areas & high deserts. I'd
> definitely want to
> include some of Lake Powell (Page,Arizona KPGA) and possibly Monument
> Valley
> which is just west of the Utah/Arizona border. Page airport has nice
> modern facilities
> surrounded by fantastic red rock scenery. At Page, you'll also be next
> door to the boundaries of the Grand Canyon. Sedona, Arizona is also a
> great
> place to at least fly over or visit for what looks like an aircraft
> carrier
> type landing. There is always freeway below, and numerous small
> airports along
> the route. The March weather could range from sunny skies to
> blizzards. Will
> just have to watch the forecast on that one, although southern Utah &
> Arizona
> usually remain clear with excellent visibility that time of year. Salt
> Lake
> to Seattle is the variable.
> The RV6 will have no problem whatsoever with any mountainous
> elevations. It can
> fly over them all on the route, and density altitude will be no
> problem. For
> the record, I'm familiar with Boise to Salt Lake, to Phoenix. Haven't
> been airborne
> northwest to Seattle.
> L.Adamson KLSC
>
>
> listers might be a place to start. I'm considering flying my
> O-360/CS RV-6
> from Seattle to a seminar in Scottsdale, AZ in mid-march. Flight
> would be
> VFR with GPS as primary nav source and VOR as backup (plus sectionals
> and Mk
> 1 eyeball, of course). The AOPA Flight Planner calculates the shortest
> Victor airway route as being though Boise, down over Salt Lake, then
> essentially south to the Phoenix area, about 7 hrs or so en route at a
> planned average of 160 KTAS. Lots of big rocky areas and high
> desert, and
> empty spaces. A route down the coast to Southern Cal and then
> hanging a
> hard left over the mountains looks to be a bit longer but might provide
> better options for diverting to alternates and/or forced landing areas
> - but
> still some big rocky areas to go over.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:17:54 PM PST US
> From: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Need Advice on Seatle to Scottsdale Flight
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
>
> John....I have flown route from N Idaho down across Boise, SLC, Mesa
> (Phoenix). Not bad at all. There are some quiet places all right,
> but its
> a nice flight....and very little in the way of mountains once you are
> through the Cascades.
>
> tony marshall
> rv6
> polson, mt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Wiegenstein" <n727jw@hellerwiegenstein.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Need Advice on Seatle to Scottsdale Flight
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Wiegenstein"
>> <n727jw@hellerwiegenstein.com>
>>
>> Hi all - This is a bit off topic but I thought that some advice from
>> you
>> listers might be a place to start. I'm considering flying my
>> O-360/CS
>> RV-6
>> from Seattle to a seminar in Scottsdale, AZ in mid-march. Flight
>> would
>> be
>> VFR with GPS as primary nav source and VOR as backup (plus sectionals
>> and
>> Mk
>> 1 eyeball, of course). The AOPA Flight Planner calculates the
>> shortest
>> Victor airway route as being though Boise, down over Salt Lake, then
>> essentially south to the Phoenix area, about 7 hrs or so en route at a
>> planned average of 160 KTAS. Lots of big rocky areas and high
>> desert,
>> and
>> empty spaces. A route down the coast to Southern Cal and then
>> hanging a
>> hard left over the mountains looks to be a bit longer but might
>> provide
>> better options for diverting to alternates and/or forced landing
>> areas -
>> but
>> still some big rocky areas to go over.
>>
>> I would appreciate any suggestions (reply off list) as to best routes
>> for
>> this flight, things to watch out for, and whether I can realistically
>> expect
>> cooperative weather over this distance at that time of year. Also,
>> if
>> there are other forums (fora?) that would be better suited to these
>> kinds
>> of
>> inquiries, I would appreciate that info too. TIA! (do not archive)
>>
>> John Wiegenstein
>> Hansville, WA
>> RV-6 N727JW
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:41:07 PM PST US
> From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Has anyone tried PreKote?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
>
> Yes.
>
> I have been using it only our RV 10 project. It seems to be working
> fine
> when used according to instructions.
>
> Most of the time I have been following the two application process,
> however
> much hunch is that that may be overkill and intended for applications
> where
> an airplane is being repainted after stripping and or has some
> corrosion. I
> tried to get a hold of the company for and modifications to the
> process when
> using new material but was unable to get an answer. It also took
> awhile to
> get them to agree to ship the small 5 gallon container. I think they
> are
> used to selling to large operations (DOD) and probably in 55 gallon
> drums.
> I was also careful to conserve the material best I could due to the
> expense.
>
> I'd do it again, the thing I like best is that it is non-toxic and the
> paint
> seems to stick just as well as with the conventional etch/alodine
> process.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Dick Sipp
> RV10 #65
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Draper" <mdraper@nww.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Has anyone tried PreKote?
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Mike Draper <mdraper@nww.com>
>>
>> I am thinking about trying PreKote instead of the traditional
>> etch/conversion coating process. Anyone with first hand experience
>> using
>> this stuff?
>>
>> From their web site
>> (http://www.terravendi.com/PreKote/prekote-main-en.asp
>> <http://www.terravendi.com/PreKote/prekote-main-en.asp> )
>>
>> PreKote(tm) is a non-chromate surface pretreatment compound that
>> improves
>> adhesion and reduces corrosion in a safe hazard-free process. By
>> virtually
>> eliminating the need for chromate conversion coatings, acid etches,
>> and
>> other toxic processes, PreKote cuts paint preparation time and costs
>> up to
>> 40% and achieves superior results.
>> - Mike Draper
>> RV-8 QB
>>
>>
>> Message
>>
>> <META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1479" nameGENERATOR>
>>
>> I am thinking about
>> trying PreKote instead of the traditional etch/conversion coating
>> process. Anyone with first hand experience using this
>> stuff?
>> <SPAN
>> class833055415-22012005>
>> From their web site
>> (<A
>> ">http://www.terravendi.com/PreKote/prekote-main-en.asp)
>> <SPAN
>> class833055415-22012005>
>> <FONT
>> faceVerdana>PreKote(tm) is a non-chromate surface pretreatment
>> compound that improves adhesion and reduces corrosion in a safe
>> hazard-free
>> process. By virtually eliminating the need for chromate conversion
>> coatings,
>> acid etches, and other toxic processes, PreKote cuts paint preparation
>> time and
>> costs up to 40% and achieves superior results.
>>
>>
>> <FONT faceArial
>> size2>
>> - Mike
>> Draper
>> RV-8
>> QB
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:25:55 PM PST US
> From: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RV-List: When to drill my elevator control horns?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
>
> I am putting the finishing touches on my empennage kit for my 9A and
> have a question
> about when to drill the elevator control horns for the center bearing
> on
> the horizontal stabilizer. I have looked and looked in the manual and
> can't find
> it in the empennage instructions or in the empennage attachment to the
> fuselage
> instructions.
>
> Does this get done much later in the assemmbly process or did Van's
> want me to
> figure this one out on my own? Also, any tips out there on how best to
> do this
> and get it perfect? Help is, as always, very appreciated!
>
> Will
> http://home.comcast.net/~wcouv/
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:17:33 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Visit to Kissimmee, FL
> From: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
> Getting a car?? If so come on over to the Tampa area to Flight Crafters
> (on the East side of Tampa). There is a RV9 A and two RV7 A under
> construction. Plus several in the area The people at flight Crafters
> are
> real nice.
>
>
> Jim Nelson
> RV9 A QB
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:42:49 PM PST US
> From: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Has anyone tried PreKote?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>
> Hi Mike,
> It's nice to hear that Richard Sipp is having good results with
> PreKote.
> Of course Richard isn't flying yet. I have no first hand experience
> with it
> myself. Last January, someone asked this same question on the OLD RV8
> list.
> List member Jerry Esquenazi posted the following reply. Jerry is a
> Major in
> the USAF. He is based in Texas (Randolf I think) He checked with the
> maintenance crew chiefs on base. Read his comments below.
>
> From: "Jerry Esquenazi"
> <<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rv8list/post?postID=yqSbOY-XljiOfaus-
> BJOYTNhkRbLUEy3aQP5DVbtL3MPCBpEVoULIcbk9YQCbGEO09rjgWQ>jlintx@g...>
>
> Subject: Prekote update
>
> I spoke with the chief of the corrosion shop here on base. When I
> asked
> him about Prekote, he chuckled. Not a good sign. This man is very
> familiar
> with Prekote. He has been directly involved with it's use and has given
> briefings concerning it's use and performance. In a nutshell, he said
> the
> he would give his right arm if he could get rid of Prekote and go back
> to
> etch/Alodine! He said they have had paint peeling within 4 months of
> application. This surprised me... He said the application of Prekote is
> actually more labor intensive because Prekote is applied in 3 steps
> v.s.
> the 2 steps of the etch/alodine.
> This is something the previous articles said was an improvement over
> the
> Alodine process. He also said the Prekote application manual requires
> special water (distilled or de-ionized or something like
> that)for the rinsing process. It sounds like the articles were a bunch
> of
> propaganda. It's use in the AF is being mandated in the tech orders.
> I'm
> going to call some of the other bases to see if
> they had similar results. BTW, he invited me to come over to the shop
> the
> next they prep a T-38 so I can see the process myself. I'll keep you
> guys
> posted.
> Jerry
>
>
> Charlie Kuss
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Mike Draper <mdraper@nww.com>
>>
>> I am thinking about trying PreKote instead of the traditional
>> etch/conversion coating process. Anyone with first hand experience
>> using
>> this stuff?
>>
>> From their web site
>> (http://www.terravendi.com/PreKote/prekote-main-en.asp
>> <http://www.terravendi.com/PreKote/prekote-main-en.asp> )
>>
>> PreKote(tm) is a non-chromate surface pretreatment compound that
>> improves
>> adhesion and reduces corrosion in a safe hazard-free process. By
>> virtually
>> eliminating the need for chromate conversion coatings, acid etches,
>> and
>> other toxic processes, PreKote cuts paint preparation time and costs
>> up to
>> 40% and achieves superior results.
>> - Mike Draper
>> RV-8 QB
>>
>>
>> Message
>>
>> <META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1479" nameGENERATOR>
>>
>> I am thinking about
>> trying PreKote instead of the traditional etch/conversion coating
>> process. Anyone with first hand experience using this
>> stuff?
>> <SPAN
>> class833055415-22012005>
>> From their web site
>> (<A
>> ">http://www.terravendi.com/PreKote/prekote-main-en.asp)
>> <SPAN
>> class833055415-22012005>
>> <FONT
>> faceVerdana>PreKote(tm) is a non-chromate surface pretreatment
>> compound that improves adhesion and reduces corrosion in a safe
>> hazard-free
>> process. By virtually eliminating the need for chromate conversion
>> coatings,
>> acid etches, and other toxic processes, PreKote cuts paint preparation
>> time and
>> costs up to 40% and achieves superior results.
>>
>>
>> <FONT faceArial
>> size2>
>> - Mike
>> Draper
>> RV-8
>> QB
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:38:29 PM PST US
> From: Larry Olson <lolson@doitnow.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Need Advice on Seattle to Scottsdale Flight
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Olson <lolson@doitnow.com>
>
> John,
>
> I've made this trek several times:
>
> Salem, OR (SLE) --> (2 1/2 hrs)
> Yerington, NV (O43) --> (3 hrs)
> Dear Valley, AZ (DVT)
>
> Scottsdale (SDL) is only a couple of miles east of DVT.
> Probably about the same from O43.
> Yerington has cheap self-serve fuel and a restaurant.
> I have only gone as far as Salem though.
> 2-1/2 to 3 hr legs are about it for me. This is the
> fastest route. Some scenery. You got Crate Lake on the way.
> If you get here you must see Sedona and the red rocks.
> Scud run down Oak Creek Canyon. Let me know, we'll put
> together a group of RV's and go. Weather should be GREAT.
>
> Larry Olson
> RV6 DVT
> Flying
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:38:29 PM PST US
> From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Brass/Copper bus bar
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> A search of the local hardware stores only netted .025 copper to
> connect my
> battery contactor and starter contactor. However, I found some .062
> brass.
> As a total "non electrical" guy, what is the conductive/heat difference
> between brass and copper? Is brass acceptable in this application (or
> any)...................if not, don't shame me....................as
> mechanical as I am I still only understand electricity to point of
> turning
> on the switch...............................
>
> I am having fun with wiring though.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:40:34 PM PST US
> From: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RV-List: Airport Directory
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson"
> <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>
> Anyone figured out how to convert the AOPA directory for Palm into Ipaq
> format? Or, is it fundamentally incompatible?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex Peterson
> RV6-A 569 hours
> Maple Grove, MN
> do not archive
>
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
> <http://www.home.earthlink.net/>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:16:28 PM PST US
> From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Fw: RV-List: Has anyone tried PreKote?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
>
> Just to clarify, I am using prekote on interior surfaces only, under a
> two
> part epoxy primer. I will leave the exterior process to the paint
> shop.
>
> Dick Sipp
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlie Kuss" <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Has anyone tried PreKote?
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> It's nice to hear that Richard Sipp is having good results with
>> PreKote.
>> Of course Richard isn't flying yet. I have no first hand experience
>> with
>> it
>> myself. Last January, someone asked this same question on the OLD RV8
>> list.
>> List member Jerry Esquenazi posted the following reply. Jerry is a
>> Major
>> in
>> the USAF. He is based in Texas (Randolf I think) He checked with the
>> maintenance crew chiefs on base. Read his comments below.
>>
>> From: "Jerry Esquenazi"
>> <<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rv8list/post?postID=yqSbOY-XljiOfaus-
>> BJOYTNhkRbLUEy3aQP5DVbtL3MPCBpEVoULIcbk9YQCbGEO09rjgWQ>jlintx@g...>
>>
>> Date: Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:14 am
>> Subject: Prekote update
>>
>> I spoke with the chief of the corrosion shop here on base. When I
>> asked
>> him about Prekote, he chuckled. Not a good sign. This man is very
>> familiar
>> with Prekote. He has been directly involved with it's use and has
>> given
>> briefings concerning it's use and performance. In a nutshell, he said
>> the
>> he would give his right arm if he could get rid of Prekote and go
>> back to
>> etch/Alodine! He said they have had paint peeling within 4 months of
>> application. This surprised me... He said the application of Prekote
>> is
>> actually more labor intensive because Prekote is applied in 3 steps
>> v.s.
>> the 2 steps of the etch/alodine.
>> This is something the previous articles said was an improvement over
>> the
>> Alodine process. He also said the Prekote application manual requires
>> special water (distilled or de-ionized or something like
>> that)for the rinsing process. It sounds like the articles were a
>> bunch of
>> propaganda. It's use in the AF is being mandated in the tech orders.
>> I'm
>> going to call some of the other bases to see if
>> they had similar results. BTW, he invited me to come over to the shop
>> the
>> next they prep a T-38 so I can see the process myself. I'll keep you
>> guys
>> posted.
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>> Charlie Kuss
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Mike Draper <mdraper@nww.com>
>>>
>>> I am thinking about trying PreKote instead of the traditional
>>> etch/conversion coating process. Anyone with first hand experience
>>> using
>>> this stuff?
>>>
>>> From their web site
>>> (http://www.terravendi.com/PreKote/prekote-main-en.asp
>>> <http://www.terravendi.com/PreKote/prekote-main-en.asp> )
>>>
>>> PreKote(tm) is a non-chromate surface pretreatment compound that
>>> improves
>>> adhesion and reduces corrosion in a safe hazard-free process. By
>>> virtually
>>> eliminating the need for chromate conversion coatings, acid etches,
>>> and
>>> other toxic processes, PreKote cuts paint preparation time and costs
>>> up to
>>> 40% and achieves superior results.
>>> - Mike Draper
>>> RV-8 QB
>>>
>>>
>>> Message
>>>
>>> <META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1479" nameGENERATOR>
>>>
>>> I am thinking about
>>> trying PreKote instead of the traditional etch/conversion coating
>>> process. Anyone with first hand experience using this
>>> stuff?
>>> <SPAN
>>> class833055415-22012005>
>>> From their web site
>>> (<A
>>> ">http://www.terravendi.com/PreKote/prekote-main-en.asp)
>>> <SPAN
>>> class833055415-22012005>
>>> <FONT
>>> faceVerdana>PreKote(tm) is a non-chromate surface pretreatment
>>> compound that improves adhesion and reduces corrosion in a safe
>>> hazard-free
>>> process. By virtually eliminating the need for chromate conversion
>>> coatings,
>>> acid etches, and other toxic processes, PreKote cuts paint
>>> preparation
>>> time and
>>> costs up to 40% and achieves superior results.
>>>
>>>
>>> <FONT faceArial
>>> size2>
>>> - Mike
>>> Draper
>>> RV-8
>>> QB
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:38:19 PM PST US
> From: Gary Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: test
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
>
> Oh how I hate tests, I never do well on them
>
> Gary
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jim Jewell wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>>
>> Do not archive Test
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:29:20 PM PST US
> From: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: When to drill my elevator control horns?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
> <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Will,
>
> With out 8A we drilled the horn toward the end of the project after
> installing the HS. Not sure about the 9A.
>
> Good Building,
>
> Chuck Rowbotham
>
>> From: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
>> Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV-List: When to drill my elevator control horns?
>> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:23:14 -0500
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 22
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:17:01 PM PST US
> From: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: When to drill my elevator control horns?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker"
> <retasker@optonline.net>
>
> Same for the 9A.
>
> Dick Tasker
>
> Charles Rowbotham wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
>> <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Hi Will,
>>
>> With out 8A we drilled the horn toward the end of the project after
>> installing the HS. Not sure about the 9A.
>>
>> Good Building,
>>
>> Chuck Rowbotham
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "William Couvillon" <wcouv@hotmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: RV-List: When to drill my elevator control horns?
>>> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:23:14 -0500
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 23
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:35:39 PM PST US
> From: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Airport Directory
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Alex Peterson wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson"
>> <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Anyone figured out how to convert the AOPA directory for Palm into
>> Ipaq
>> format?
>>
> The data is in a database ..... and the data can be read with a program
> running on each particular computer. The Anywhere Map that I have runs
> on the iPAQ and displays the AOPA database. Once you know the field
> names and the field length, a program can be written to display the
> data.
>
>> Or, is it fundamentally incompatible?
>>
> Data is data. Only the program to display the data would be different
> for different processors ..... because the commands the processor
> understands are different.
> Linn
> do not archive
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Alex Peterson
>> RV6-A 569 hours
>> Maple Grove, MN
>> do not archive
>>
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
>> <http://www.home.earthlink.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Hi all,
I need a right angle drill to drill out some tight spots. Any suggestions on
what I need? Aircraft Spruce advertises four sizes.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/angledrill.php
I would think the keychuck model would be the easiest to use, long term.
Thoughts?
Michael Wynn
'93 FJZ 80
TLCA # 13095
Pacific Mountain Cruisers
San Ramon, CA
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