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1. 05:25 AM - Re: Rust proof tail wheel spring connector clips (LarryRobertHelming)
2. 05:46 AM - Re: Right Angle Drill (Paul Besing)
3. 06:01 AM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (linn walters)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: Right Angle Drill (Charlie Kuss)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: steering link follow up report (Turbo Tom)
6. 07:10 AM - Re: SEA----PHX (Albert Gardner)
7. 07:46 AM - Re: Right Angle Drill (Charles Rowbotham)
8. 07:53 AM - Breaking Dimple Dies (Jamie Painter)
9. 07:53 AM - Re: Brass/Copper bus bar (SCOTT SPENCER)
10. 08:14 AM - Re: Right Angle Drill (David Fenstermacher)
11. 08:44 AM - Panel Planning Woes (mkejrj@comcast.net)
12. 08:44 AM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Evan and Megan Johnson)
13. 09:00 AM - Re: Panel Planning Woes (Craig)
14. 09:03 AM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Doug Rozendaal)
15. 09:31 AM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Stein Bruch)
16. 09:47 AM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Scott Bilinski)
17. 10:40 AM - Re: steering link follow up report (HCRV6@aol.com)
18. 10:40 AM - Re: Right Angle Drill (Jim Jewell)
19. 10:42 AM - Re: Right Angle Drill (HCRV6@aol.com)
20. 10:43 AM - Re: Breaking Dimple Dies (Jim Jewell)
21. 10:51 AM - Re: Breaking Dimple Dies (Richard Tasker)
22. 11:25 AM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (John D. Heath)
23. 12:17 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds ()
24. 01:06 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (JOHN STARN)
25. 01:53 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (ogoodwin@comcast.net)
26. 01:53 PM - Re: SEA----PHX (Richard V. Reynolds)
27. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: RV's/Warbirds ()
28. 05:03 PM - Re: Breaking Dimple Dies (Larry Bowen)
29. 05:56 PM - Re: Right Angle Drill (Chris W)
30. 05:56 PM - tank skin fit on wing (Gar Pessel)
31. 06:19 PM - Re: Right Angle Drill (David Fenstermacher)
32. 06:21 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
33. 06:58 PM - Thanks for Advice on SEA - PHX Routing (John Wiegenstein)
34. 07:38 PM - Re: Breaking Dimple Dies (Charlie England)
35. 08:32 PM - Re: Panel Planning Woes (mkejrj@comcast.net)
36. 10:06 PM - Re: RV's/Warbirds (James E. Clark)
37. 10:33 PM - Re: tank skin fit on wing (Albert Gardner)
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| Subject: | Re: Rust proof tail wheel spring connector clips |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I don't have answer to your question. But, I have been introduced to the
idea that using a few winds of heavy SS safety tie wire should work or could
supplement the clips in case they fail. I am also looking into substituting
the clips with a shackle that can be more easily replaced. Type 316 cast
anchor shackles or something similar could work.
See http://www.mcmaster.com/ and search for shackle
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
Evansville, Indiana (just north of western Kentucky)
----- Original Message -----
From: <HCRV6@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Rust proof tail wheel spring connector clips
> --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
> Does anyone know of a source for stainless steel tail wheel spring
connector
> clips? The ones that came with my tail wheel from Van's have rusted badly
in
> only a few months.
>
> Harry Crosby
> Pleasanton, California
> RV-6, flying!
>
>
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| Subject: | Right Angle Drill |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
I've got both a low profile version from Avery (the kind with the threaded
drill bits) and a chuck version. I've used both. I've needed the small one
for really tight spaces before, but I've needed the chuck version for
different size drills and unibits.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
Kitlog Builder's Software
www.kitlog.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of MLWynn@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Right Angle Drill
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Hi all,
I need a right angle drill to drill out some tight spots. Any suggestions
on
what I need? Aircraft Spruce advertises four sizes.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/angledrill.php
I would think the keychuck model would be the easiest to use, long term.
Thoughts?
Michael Wynn
'93 FJZ 80
TLCA # 13095
Pacific Mountain Cruisers
San Ramon, CA
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
John Huft wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
>
>A real purist would say a warbird is a combat aircraft on active duty.
>
>Over the holidays I was visiting with a friend's father, who flew the
>B-24 in WWII. He feels that the CAF are a bunch of wannabees, who are
>being disrespectful to those who fought and died in those aircraft, in
>defense of our freedom.
>
>To each his own I guess.
>
>John
>
I think that's sad. Since the Gov's isn't training new pilots and crews
for the retired 'Iron", those 'wannabees' are carrying on a tradition
..... of honoring those that made them their 'office' instead of being
disrespectful. I, myself, find the Warbird group a bunch of egotistical
As......, and as much as I love looking at the old military airplanes
.... I just don't associate with the group. My Dad, who has passed
away, was a B-24 pilot .... but I couldn't get him to talk about it ....
and now his memories are lost to us that came after the 'big one'. I
really would have liked to know what his experiences were. He was lucky
.... flew his 24 missions without losing crew or airplane, and I know he
flew on raids to Ploesti and the sub pens. But this isn't really RV -
related.
I like Doug's definition!!!
Linn ..... who's little Grumman AA-1B brings out the fighter pilot in
all of us. I'm sure that the RV-6 does the same.
do not archive
>
>
>Doug Rozendaal wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>>
>>All,
>>
>>Here is an interesting topic. And one for which I have an opinion.
>>(imagine that)
>>
>>What is a warbird anyway? Some would say that a warbird is surplus military
>>airplane. Are the P-51A's being built from scratch in North Dakota
>>Warbirds? The pureist say no, but I say it depends, because I have a
>>different definition. I believe a Warbird is, "A tool we use to tell a
>>story."
>>
>>If anyone want to paint their RV up in Warbird colors of the Nigerian Air
>>Force and run around telling the story of how this country is being
>>inventive to teach their people to fly, then clearly that airplane is a
>>Warbird.
>>
>>If someone else wanted to paint an RV up in the Colors of the Tuskegee
>>Airmen and fly around the country telling young people that once upon a time
>>a whole group of people had no chance to fly and fight for their country,
>>but because of hard work, dicipline, and constancy of purpose, these men
>>changed the world, then that airplane would be a Warbird.
>>
>>Let me give an example, Tora Tora Tora flies a bunch of butchered up, highly
>>modified T-6's and BT-13 cross breeds painted up Like Zeros, Kates and Vals.
>>Does anyone not believe they are Warbirds? They absolutely and very
>>effectively tell a story. They clearly tell a story.
>>
>>Conversely there are surplus military airplanes flying around and their
>>primary purpose is to tell people about the weatlh of the owner. Hardly a
>>warbird in my book.
>>
>>That is my $.02 worth.
>>
>>Tailwinds,
>>Doug Rozendaal
>>lowly Warbird puke.....
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Right Angle Drill |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Mike,
Get the 1/4" - 28 tpi model. This will fit in much tighter areas than
anything with a chuck on it. It uses special, short drill bits which are
threaded (hence the 1/4 - 28). These are also sold by ACS. You can buy
these bits cheaply at airshows like Sun N' Fun and Air Venture.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
>Hi all,
>
>I need a right angle drill to drill out some tight spots. Any suggestions on
>what I need? Aircraft Spruce advertises four sizes.
>
>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/angledrill.php
>
>I would think the keychuck model would be the easiest to use, long term.
>Thoughts?
>
>Michael Wynn
>'93 FJZ 80
>TLCA # 13095
>Pacific Mountain Cruisers
>San Ramon, CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: steering link follow up report |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
> I will post any further
> information.
>>TT
And, here it is.
Turbo Tom
Terry Jantzi, who is inventor and manufacture of the Jantzi Steering Link
has decided that due to other projects and commitments that he is unable to
give the time needed to market and sell the Steering Link. I think time has
shown that the Jantzi Steering Link is great product. I am a friend of
Terry's and a fellow builder. I am currently just completing an F1 Rocket
parts kit. Terry and I have come to an agreement for myself to purchased the
rights to the Jantzi Steering Link. The transaction will take a little time
to put together but I hope to begin filling orders by mid February. A web
site should be coming online shortly. I will notify you of the details as
they come together.
I can be contacted at:
Wayne Hadath
23 Jadestone Crt
Kitchener, Ontario
Canada, N2A 3X7
Phone 519-648-3375
Fax 519-648-3375
Cell 519-589-8352
I noticed your email on the RV List. Feel free to share this information
with whom ever you wish.
Thanks
Wayne
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RV-List: SEA----PHX
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ronald Vandervort
> <ronvandervort@earthlink.net>
> I plan two stops and use Burns Ore. or
> Mesquite Utah or The Dalles etc. depending on how the weather affected
Hold on now-Mesquite is just West of the Arizona line in Nevada. We
Arizonans reserve the right to either claim that Mesquite is almost in Az or
be glad it isn't-depending on your individual preference.
They do have 24 hr. self serve (a little pricey) so that's a real plus.
BTW, St. Johns, AZ probably has the lowest prices for 100 LL but is out of
the way for this route.
Albert Gardner
RV-9A 872RV
Yuma, AZ
do not archive
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| Subject: | Right Angle Drill |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
We have both but used the chuck very little (just to big). The low profile
(from Avery) is our angle drill of choice (can get short - reg - Long bits).
Also agree that S-N-F would an excellent place to pickup extra bits.
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Right Angle Drill
>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:45:32 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
>I've got both a low profile version from Avery (the kind with the threaded
>drill bits) and a chuck version. I've used both. I've needed the small
>one
>for really tight spaces before, but I've needed the chuck version for
>different size drills and unibits.
>
>Paul Besing
>RV-6A Sold
>RV-10 Soon
>Kitlog Builder's Software
>www.kitlog.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
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| Subject: | Breaking Dimple Dies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
Fellow Listers:
I'm now well into my wings on my -7A and last night was dimpling the bottom
skins in my c-frame tool. About half-way through the first skin, the #40
dimple die broke!!! I wouldn't really be that concerned about it but this is
the third one that I've had break (one was a tank die that I had borrowed from
a friend). I can't understand what I'm doing wrong.
When I'm dimpling, before striking the c-frame I always gently press down to
bring the male/female dies into alignment, then I release and press down again
to ensure that they are still aligned.
I'm dimpling with usually two blows with the rubber mallot and I'm making the
dimple at the same 'crispness' as my pneumatic squeezer.
Are any other builders having the same problem?
Oh Yeah, I got my dies from Cleaveland.
Thanks,
Jamie
--
Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Re: Brass/Copper bus bar |
--> RV-List message posted by: SCOTT SPENCER <aerokinetic@sbcglobal.net>
The conductivity differences between copper and brass will be utterly insignificant
for a conductor the length of a bus bar... unless of course you have a 1000'
bus bar...
my brass one works great FWIW. Bought the stock at a local hobby shop.
Scott
N4ZW
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| Subject: | Right Angle Drill |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
I have the "kit" sold by ACS. It was 175 bucks, or so.
(Gift from Wife).
Anyway, I like it. It has everything.
You might also want to pick-up a "pancake drill". It gets in really tight
spots, but is tough to hold on to.
Dave
> [Original Message]
> From: <MLWynn@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/24/2005 2:41:15 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Right Angle Drill
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> Hi all,
>
> I need a right angle drill to drill out some tight spots. Any
suggestions on
> what I need? Aircraft Spruce advertises four sizes.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/angledrill.php
>
> I would think the keychuck model would be the easiest to use, long term.
> Thoughts?
>
> Michael Wynn
> '93 FJZ 80
> TLCA # 13095
> Pacific Mountain Cruisers
> San Ramon, CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Panel Planning Woes |
0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary
0.01 RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE Received: by and from look like IP addresses
--> RV-List message posted by: mkejrj@comcast.net
I used a popular panel planning software to plan the panel on my RV8. The software
allowed me to mix and match various Avionics and Instrumentation combinations.
I used the software to determine my optimum equipment list and ordered my
Avionics and Instrumentation accordingly. I was a happy camper and everything
promised to fit nicely per the final software printout.
When I attempted to lay the actual purchased equipment out on my panel I noted
a serious problem with the actual clearances both on the panel face and the opposite
side.The software does not give you a true picture.My stuff would not fit
!
I contracted out the actual panel cutting and equipment installation to a Pro who
had done several installations on RV's and RV8's and he confirmed the "gotcha"
with using the software. There were several builders who had identical problems.
My bottom line is that I have two brand new instruments which could not be installed
and which I would like to offer for sale @ a 30% discount :
R C Allen Turn Coordinator,Model RCA 83A-11-14,14 Volts, Bezel lighted,TSO 3Cb
A/C/Spruce Lists @ $ 753.00 // Sale @ $ 527.00
United Vert. Speed Indicator,Model 7000-C31, 0 to 2000 FPM
A/C/Spruce Lists @ $ 332.00 // Sale @ $ 232.00
Interested parties please contact me direct.
Dick Jordan
Malvern, Pa...610 933 4183
RV 8A (Finishing)
I used a popular panel planning software to plan the panel on my RV8. The software
allowed me to mix and match various Avionics and Instrumentation combinations.
I used the software to determinemy optimum equipment list and ordered my
Avionics and Instrumentation accordingly. I was a happy camper and everything
promised to fit nicelyper the final software printout.
When I attempted to lay the actual purchased equipment out on my panel I noted
a serious problem with the actual clearances both on the panel face and the opposite
side.The software does not give you a true picture.My stuff would not fit
!
I contracted out the actual panel cutting and equipment installation to aPro who
had done several installations on RV's and RV8's and he confirmed the "gotcha"
with using the software. There were several builders who had identical problems.
My bottom line is that I have two brand new instruments which could not be installed
and which I would like to offer for sale @ a 30% discount :
R C Allen Turn Coordinator,Model RCA 83A-11-14,14 Volts, Bezel lighted,TSO 3Cb
A/C/Spruce Lists @ $ 753.00 // Sale @ $ 527.00
United Vert. Speed Indicator,Model 7000-C31, 0 to 2000 FPM
A/C/Spruce Lists @ $ 332.00 // Sale @ $ 232.00
Interested parties please contact me direct.
Dick Jordan
Malvern, Pa...610 933 4183
RV 8A (Finishing)
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
"P-51A's being built from scratch in North Dakota"!!!! That got my
attention.....who is doiing this? I wanna see....
Thanks...
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
do not archive
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
: <rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> All,
>
> Here is an interesting topic. And one for which I have an opinion.
> (imagine that)
>
> What is a warbird anyway? Some would say that a warbird is surplus
military
> airplane. Are the P-51A's being built from scratch in North Dakota
> Warbirds? The pureist say no, but I say it depends, because I have a
> different definition. I believe a Warbird is, "A tool we use to tell a
> story."
>
> If anyone want to paint their RV up in Warbird colors of the Nigerian Air
> Force and run around telling the story of how this country is being
> inventive to teach their people to fly, then clearly that airplane is a
> Warbird.
>
> If someone else wanted to paint an RV up in the Colors of the Tuskegee
> Airmen and fly around the country telling young people that once upon a
time
> a whole group of people had no chance to fly and fight for their country,
> but because of hard work, dicipline, and constancy of purpose, these men
> changed the world, then that airplane would be a Warbird.
>
> Let me give an example, Tora Tora Tora flies a bunch of butchered up,
highly
> modified T-6's and BT-13 cross breeds painted up Like Zeros, Kates and
Vals.
> Does anyone not believe they are Warbirds? They absolutely and very
> effectively tell a story. They clearly tell a story.
>
> Conversely there are surplus military airplanes flying around and their
> primary purpose is to tell people about the weatlh of the owner. Hardly a
> warbird in my book.
>
> That is my $.02 worth.
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
> lowly Warbird puke.....
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Planning Woes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Craig <craigtxtx@yahoo.com>
Which popular panel planning software let you astray?? I'd hate to run into the
same problem.
Craig Gallenbach
RV8A .... just startin' but dreaming of panels
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Unfortunately some of the negative sentiments expressed here are deserved.
Some of those are the 'wannabes' that I alluded to in my original post who
use an airplane to inflate their own ego. Fortunately those people usually
grow weary of the hot asphalt, flat beer, and rare bratwurst that is the
airshow business, and fade away. Sadly not before leaving a scar on all of
us.
For the most part, the people who maintain and fly these old airplanes do it
for one purpose, "to keep people free." WWII is now typically covered in
one class period in High School history. Most of our young people have no
concept of a time when our way of life was threatened, and the history we
forget, we must relearn, at a terrible price.
Freedom is not free. I will never forget September 2001 stranded in Kansas
City,standing on the ramp in front of my airplane, unable to get in it and
fly home. That was when 9-11 became real for me. There are those, both at
home and abroad, who would like to take our freedom from us and we must
never forget that.
My hat is off to all who served, on the land, sea and in the air, that have
kept us free so that we can vote, protest, pray, and fly our spamcans,
homebuilts, and Warbirds. The old soldier who doesn't like the CAF is free
to that opinion. My apologies on behalf of my peers in the warbird world
who are arrogant and egotistical. I am sure some think I am as well. I try
hard to talk to everyone who wants to, especially the kids. But sometimes,
when I am busy, or preoccupied with other things, I am sure I come off
wrong. (my wife tells me I do that) I will try to do better, and I will
try to encourage my peers to do better as well.
If my warbird flying causes one old soldier to share his stories of WWII
with his grand kid, then my summer was a success.
Nuff said.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
They're not the only ones. You can buy just about everything for the -51's
built from scratch now, like a complete set of wings, flight controls,
fuselages, etc...
That being said, you better have a DEEP wallet to do it!
Cheers,
Stein
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Evan and Megan
Johnson
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
<evmeg@snowcrest.net>
"P-51A's being built from scratch in North Dakota"!!!! That got my
attention.....who is doiing this? I wanna see....
Thanks...
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I believe that group was at Reno. I asked what a complete plane would cost
in parts, I dont remember the exact amount but well over 1 mil, I think
closer to 1.5.
At 11:30 AM 1/24/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>They're not the only ones. You can buy just about everything for the -51's
>built from scratch now, like a complete set of wings, flight controls,
>fuselages, etc...
>
>That being said, you better have a DEEP wallet to do it!
>
>Cheers,
>Stein
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Evan and Megan
>Johnson
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
><evmeg@snowcrest.net>
>
>
> "P-51A's being built from scratch in North Dakota"!!!! That got my
>attention.....who is doiing this? I wanna see....
>
>Thanks...
>Evan Johnson
>www.evansaviationproducts.com
>(530)247-0375
>(530)351-1776 cell
>
>do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: steering link follow up report |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Wayne: When you have links ready to offer let us know via the RV List.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, flying!
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| Subject: | Re: Right Angle Drill |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Go to this site http://www.terrytools.com/
Terry Tools inc. make:
Professional quality tools.
They have a range of angle tools to offer.
The smallest format chuckable right angle drill that I've seen.
They supply replacement parts for the tools they make.
Their prices are reasonable.
I believe both Avery and Cleaveland Tools List them.
A really tough litttle tool.
I made a removable position adjustable handle for mine that cut down on tool
and bit breakage and increased drilling accuracy.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: <MLWynn@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Right Angle Drill
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> Hi all,
>
> I need a right angle drill to drill out some tight spots. Any suggestions
> on
> what I need? Aircraft Spruce advertises four sizes.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/angledrill.php
>
> I would think the keychuck model would be the easiest to use, long term.
> Thoughts?
>
> Michael Wynn
> '93 FJZ 80
> TLCA # 13095
> Pacific Mountain Cruisers
> San Ramon, CA
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Hi Michael: I wound up owning both a key chuck style that accepts up to
3/8 in bits (useful for the larger Unibits) and a snake drill with right angle
head that accepts 1/4-28 threaded shank bits. If doing it again I would pass
on the snake drill and get one of the angle drill attachments. I also have a
neat angle drill chuck (from Cleveland Aircraft Tool) that lets me use any
standard drill bit up to 1/4 inch shank in the threaded adapters. Just what
works for me.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, flying!
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| Subject: | Re: Breaking Dimple Dies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Jamie,
Are you pre-drilling the holes to a Number 41 or number 40 Drill size?
Jim in kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
Subject: RV-List: Breaking Dimple Dies
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>
>
> Fellow Listers:
>
> I'm now well into my wings on my -7A and last night was dimpling the
> bottom
> skins in my c-frame tool. About half-way through the first skin, the #40
> dimple die broke!!! I wouldn't really be that concerned about it but this
> is
> the third one that I've had break (one was a tank die that I had borrowed
> from
> a friend). I can't understand what I'm doing wrong.
>
> When I'm dimpling, before striking the c-frame I always gently press down
> to
> bring the male/female dies into alignment, then I release and press down
> again
> to ensure that they are still aligned.
>
> I'm dimpling with usually two blows with the rubber mallot and I'm making
> the
> dimple at the same 'crispness' as my pneumatic squeezer.
>
> Are any other builders having the same problem?
>
> Oh Yeah, I got my dies from Cleaveland.
>
> Thanks,
> Jamie
>
> --
> Jamie D. Painter
> RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
> http://rv.jpainter.org
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Breaking Dimple Dies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
Are holding the die down when you hit it? How high is the die when the
spring lifts it out of the way?
If you are letting the spring lift the die and then hit it, there is a
significant probability that the die will not be quite lined up with
each other (due to play in the bronze bearing in the c-frame) and will
wear or break.
When I use the c-frame to dimple my parts, I hold the die down against
the part/other die when I hit it.
Dick Tasker
Jamie Painter wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>
>
>Fellow Listers:
>
>I'm now well into my wings on my -7A and last night was dimpling the bottom
>skins in my c-frame tool. About half-way through the first skin, the #40
>dimple die broke!!! I wouldn't really be that concerned about it but this is
>the third one that I've had break (one was a tank die that I had borrowed from
>a friend). I can't understand what I'm doing wrong.
>
>When I'm dimpling, before striking the c-frame I always gently press down to
>bring the male/female dies into alignment, then I release and press down again
>to ensure that they are still aligned.
>
>I'm dimpling with usually two blows with the rubber mallot and I'm making the
>dimple at the same 'crispness' as my pneumatic squeezer.
>
>Are any other builders having the same problem?
>
>Oh Yeah, I got my dies from Cleaveland.
>
>Thanks,
>Jamie
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John D. Heath" <Alto_Q@direcway.com>
The one's I flew do.
John D.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> Hey, do helicopters count as warbirds?
>
> Paul Besing
> AH-64D Apache Longbow Driver
> (not quite a war bird, but very effective!)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Denk
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
>>
>>Brian,
>>
>>While all this is in fun lets go back one step.
>>
>>Being a FIGHTER PILOT is not a profession but way of life or maybe a
>>mental
>>attitude.
>>
>>If you fly your plane safety, fly with-in your limits (you can fly to the
>>edge of your limits but not over), learn all there is to learn about
>>flying
>>your plane, etc. etc. - you maybe a Fighter Pilot. Therefore, your plane
>>is
>>a fighter.
>>
>>I can't believe I am saying this but even Doug maybe be a Fighter Pilot.
>>:-) I still hate him because he gets to fly P-51s, etc.
>>
>>Brian, I will forgive you for building a RV-10 if you promise to go back
>>to
>>a single or two seat aircraft once the kids grow up. OK, you may have
>>grandkids by then so the forgiveness may be extended.
>>
>>Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
>>Wild Weasel #1573
>>Apple Valley, CA
>>Harmon Rocket-II
>
>
> I'll always have the "guns guns guns!!! Turn until the skins wrinkle and
> the
> wso pukes" approach to flying....within my own limits...abilities
> technical
> and physical. As much as I also hate Doug, my hat's off to ya, man. You
> done good, earned the right to fly the mil spec iron and do so safely. A
> long while back I escorted you out of Double Eagle...in that long string
> of
> B-25's. Man, that was awesome! My -8 was breathing hard to keep up but
> your
> starboard side was well protected.
>
> I fully intend to complete the fleet in the Denk Airborne Armada with an
> RV3
> when the -10 is alive and serving the family truckster role. Wally world
> Wally world!! OK ok, who has to pee NOW??? Who's the moosiest moose
> there
> is....Marty Moose...
>
> Egads...movie flashback.
>
> Keep the flying warrior spirit alive. It's in us all, whether in the form
> of a Luscombe 8 or RV-X, Rocket, hot air balloon.....NOT!!! Heh. Man,
> talk
> about a target rich environment...Albuquerque International Balloon
> Fiesta....Grrrrrrr.....heater tone....FIRE! Boom! Scratch one special
> shape. Hey, that flying Jim Beam bottle looks tasty...
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 '51
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV's/Warbirds
>Bryan Jones wrote:
>Some have made the point that RV's are/were used in the Nigerian Air Force. Wouldn't
that >make RV's (-6/7A's) warbirds??? Certainly as much as any Yak 52TW,
I'd imagine.
My RV is not a Warbird. It will never be a Warbird, and I never want it to be a
Warbird. It is an amateur-built experimental kit-aircraft I made and proud of
it. I guess if you what to paint your RV like a Blue Angel, P-51, Nigerian
Air Beatle or purple with pink dots, go for it. It is still a Homebuilt plane,
which is something to be proud of (except the purple one with dots :-)
No offense to warbird pilot-owners but, I think many are into going to air shows
and posing next to their plane in some jump-suit get-up . I am into actually
flying my RV in jeans and tennis shoes. I get to fly in a uniform at work.
Who cares about War-birds? Dont get me wrong, it is an honor to live in the USA
where we have freedom to build and fly experimental "Birds." That freedom is
thanks to the Men and Women who served in the past and who serve today and in
the future. Military planes are a tribute to those who built them and served
during that period in history. The owners of warbids are not the heroes, but
they do have money to maintain them for future generations. That is all. Unfortunately,
many of these owner-pilots destroy them. Money and pilot skill is not
mutually related.
>John Huft wrote:
>Over the holidays I was visiting with a friend's father, who flew the B-24 in
WWII. He feels that >the CAF are a bunch of wannabees, who are being disrespectful
to those who fought and >died in those aircraft, in defense of our freedom.
I don't personally know many warbird owner-pilots, but their pride in owning these
rare planes and what it represents to all citizens is understandable. Unfortunately
the Warbird Associations in general (not the planes) have earned an
elitist reputation. From my personal experience at Air shows it seems somewhat
deserved. I love seeing the planes in the "Warbird" area, but dont enjoy seeing
overly enthusiastic volunteers in antique military costumes, parade around
shouting orders at civilians. They dont want our RVs there, and I dont want
to be there either. Nice to visit but wouldn't want to park there. Again who
cares? Whatever floats your boat (your plane, your ego or whatever). "Birds
of a feather........"
Whoa, too deep. I guess I'll just have to pretend to be a fighter pilot and strap
my chute and RV on, go do some dogfighting and formation flying, just like
a fighter pilot. I have got to get me one of those cool warbird flight suits,
helmets, and scarf. (just kidding, sticking with the T-shirt and jeans.)
Bogey at your 6!, To close for missiles going to guns! Paint your plane anyway
you like but park it with the RVs. No warbirds allowed.
Cheers G
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
I can only speak for myself. Many years ago I joined others in forming a CAF
Sq. at Rialto Airport. Most of us were not warbird owners but we all had a
love of flying, WWII history & aircraft. Thanks to guys like Chuck Wentworth
I was able to get up close & personal with AT-6's, PT-19, TBM, F4F and lots
of "ordinary" guys. The skills & knowledge learned working on these old
birds paid off when I moved in next door to Gummi and helped in building
HRII N561FS. I now run our EAA chapters Young Eagles program and introduce
kids to wonderful world of flying and with our rivet classes to building.
But it all goes back to a few guys in CAF that let me get my hands dirty
working on their airplanes. Don't forget there are guys like me out there
that would join or help out if only asked. CAF keeps the dream alive just
like the EAA Chapters just on a larger scale. "Wannabie" yep that was and is
me alright and N561FS has flown lots of other "wanabie's" too and wouldn't
you know it several of them are now either builders and/or pilots. Next you
see a kid looking thru the fence at your airport wishing...., no praying,
for ride, look closer you may find his parents may looking too and they've
had the dream a lot longer. EAA & the CAF are full of "wanabies" and God
Bless them, for without them the "real" pilots of WWII would not be able to
"show & tell" at airshows with their grandkids about the good old days.
"Those who can DO, those who can't or won't, gripe about those who DO". To
me it's still the "Confederate Air Force".
Do Not Archive KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "John D. Heath" <Alto_Q@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John D. Heath" <Alto_Q@direcway.com>
>
> The one's I flew do.
>
> John D.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>>
>> Hey, do helicopters count as warbirds?
>>
>> Paul Besing
>> AH-64D Apache Longbow Driver
>> (not quite a war bird, but very effective!)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Denk
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
>>
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Brian,
>>>
>>>While all this is in fun lets go back one step.
>>>
>>>Being a FIGHTER PILOT is not a profession but way of life or maybe a
>>>mental
>>>attitude.
>>>
>>>If you fly your plane safety, fly with-in your limits (you can fly to the
>>>edge of your limits but not over), learn all there is to learn about
>>>flying
>>>your plane, etc. etc. - you maybe a Fighter Pilot. Therefore, your plane
>>>is
>>>a fighter.
>>>
>>>I can't believe I am saying this but even Doug maybe be a Fighter Pilot.
>>>:-) I still hate him because he gets to fly P-51s, etc.
>>>
>>>Brian, I will forgive you for building a RV-10 if you promise to go back
>>>to
>>>a single or two seat aircraft once the kids grow up. OK, you may have
>>>grandkids by then so the forgiveness may be extended.
>>>
>>>Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
>>>Wild Weasel #1573
>>>Apple Valley, CA
>>>Harmon Rocket-II
>>
>>
>> I'll always have the "guns guns guns!!! Turn until the skins wrinkle and
>> the
>> wso pukes" approach to flying....within my own limits...abilities
>> technical
>> and physical. As much as I also hate Doug, my hat's off to ya, man. You
>> done good, earned the right to fly the mil spec iron and do so safely. A
>> long while back I escorted you out of Double Eagle...in that long string
>> of
>> B-25's. Man, that was awesome! My -8 was breathing hard to keep up but
>> your
>> starboard side was well protected.
>>
>> I fully intend to complete the fleet in the Denk Airborne Armada with an
>> RV3
>> when the -10 is alive and serving the family truckster role. Wally world
>> Wally world!! OK ok, who has to pee NOW??? Who's the moosiest moose
>> there
>> is....Marty Moose...
>>
>> Egads...movie flashback.
>>
>> Keep the flying warrior spirit alive. It's in us all, whether in the
>> form
>> of a Luscombe 8 or RV-X, Rocket, hot air balloon.....NOT!!! Heh. Man,
>> talk
>> about a target rich environment...Albuquerque International Balloon
>> Fiesta....Grrrrrrr.....heater tone....FIRE! Boom! Scratch one special
>> shape. Hey, that flying Jim Beam bottle looks tasty...
>>
>> Brian Denk
>> RV8 N94BD
>> RV10 '51
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--> RV-List message posted by: ogoodwin@comcast.net
John, I was trying to figure out how to say it but never could have done as well
as you.
I'm mostly a lurker, but this thread crosses from RV's into a wider area. Those
who disparage "wannabes" are looking no farther than the end of their noses,
and in most cases I suspect that's also the limit of their interest. We were
ALL "wannabes" of some description: wannabe pilot, wannabe A&P, wannabe airline
pilot, wannabe fighter pilot, (wannabe independently wealthy...but I digress)...the
list is endless.
It's inappropriate to make sweeping generalizations. I've heard those who fly
large transports are mechanical and have no real skills; fighter pilots are egotistical
and can't really operate in the real world; cargo pilots can't fly
well enough to get a real job with an airline; pilots are prima donnas; and much
more BS. While there are examples of each of these groups that seem to bear
out those prejudices, there are many more individuals that don't.
Strapping on a certain machine or wearing a flight suit and helmet or uniform doesn't
mean a thing. Neither does wearing jeans.
Olen Goodwin
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN"
>
> I can only speak for myself. Many years ago I joined others in forming a CAF
> Sq. at Rialto Airport. Most of us were not warbird owners but we all had a
> love of flying, WWII history & aircraft. Thanks to guys like Chuck Wentworth
> I was able to get up close & personal with AT-6's, PT-19, TBM, F4F and lots
> of "ordinary" guys. The skills & knowledge learned working on these old
> birds paid off when I moved in next door to Gummi and helped in building
> HRII N561FS. I now run our EAA chapters Young Eagles program and introduce
> kids to wonderful world of flying and with our rivet classes to building.
> But it all goes back to a few guys in CAF that let me get my hands dirty
> working on their airplanes. Don't forget there are guys like me out there
> that would join or help out if only asked. CAF keeps the dream alive just
> like the EAA Chapters just on a larger scale. "Wannabie" yep that was and is
> me alright and N561FS has flown lots of other "wanabie's" too and wouldn't
> you know it several of them are now either builders and/or pilots. Next you
> see a kid looking thru the fence at your airport wishing...., no praying,
> for ride, look closer you may find his parents may looking too and they've
> had the dream a lot longer. EAA & the CAF are full of "wanabies" and God
> Bless them, for without them the "real" pilots of WWII would not be able to
> "show & tell" at airshows with their grandkids about the good old days.
> "Those who can DO, those who can't or won't, gripe about those who DO". To
> me it's still the "Confederate Air Force".
> Do Not Archive KABONG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John D. Heath"
> To:
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John D. Heath"
> >
> > The one's I flew do.
> >
> > John D.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Besing"
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing"
> >>
> >> Hey, do helicopters count as warbirds?
> >>
> >> Paul Besing
> >> AH-64D Apache Longbow Driver
> >> (not quite a war bird, but very effective!)
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Denk
> >> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
> >>
> >>
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk"
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Brian,
> >>>
> >>>While all this is in fun lets go back one step.
> >>>
> >>>Being a FIGHTER PILOT is not a profession but way of life or maybe a
> >>>mental
> >>>attitude.
> >>>
> >>>If you fly your plane safety, fly with-in your limits (you can fly to the
> >>>edge of your limits but not over), learn all there is to learn about
> >>>flying
> >>>your plane, etc. etc. - you maybe a Fighter Pilot. Therefore, your plane
> >>>is
> >>>a fighter.
> >>>
> >>>I can't believe I am saying this but even Doug maybe be a Fighter Pilot.
> >>>:-) I still hate him because he gets to fly P-51s, etc.
> >>>
> >>>Brian, I will forgive you for building a RV-10 if you promise to go back
> >>>to
> >>>a single or two seat aircraft once the kids grow up. OK, you may have
> >>>grandkids by then so the forgiveness may be extended.
> >>>
> >>>Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
> >>>Wild Weasel #1573
> >>>Apple Valley, CA
> >>>Harmon Rocket-II
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll always have the "guns guns guns!!! Turn until the skins wrinkle and
> >> the
> >> wso pukes" approach to flying....within my own limits...abilities
> >> technical
> >> and physical. As much as I also hate Doug, my hat's off to ya, man. You
> >> done good, earned the right to fly the mil spec iron and do so safely. A
> >> long while back I escorted you out of Double Eagle...in that long string
> >> of
> >> B-25's. Man, that was awesome! My -8 was breathing hard to keep up but
> >> your
> >> starboard side was well protected.
> >>
> >> I fully intend to complete the fleet in the Denk Airborne Armada with an
> >> RV3
> >> when the -10 is alive and serving the family truckster role. Wally world
> >> Wally world!! OK ok, who has to pee NOW??? Who's the moosiest moose
> >> there
> >> is....Marty Moose...
> >>
> >> Egads...movie flashback.
> >>
> >> Keep the flying warrior spirit alive. It's in us all, whether in the
> >> form
> >> of a Luscombe 8 or RV-X, Rocket, hot air balloon.....NOT!!! Heh. Man,
> >> talk
> >> about a target rich environment...Albuquerque International Balloon
> >> Fiesta....Grrrrrrr.....heater tone....FIRE! Boom! Scratch one special
> >> shape. Hey, that flying Jim Beam bottle looks tasty...
> >>
> >> Brian Denk
> >> RV8 N94BD
> >> RV10 '51
>
>
>
>
>
>
John, I was trying to figure out how to say it but never could have done as well
as you.
I'm mostly a lurker, but this thread crosses from RV's into a wider area. Those
who disparage "wannabes" are looking no farther than the end of their noses,
and in most cases I suspect that's also the limit of their interest. We were ALL
"wannabes" of some description: wannabe pilot, wannabe AP, wannabe airline
pilot, wannabe fighter pilot, (wannabe independently wealthy...but I digress)...the
list is endless.
It's inappropriate to make sweeping generalizations. I've heard those who fly large
transports are mechanical and have no real skills; fighter pilots are egotistical
and can't really operate in the real world; cargo pilots can't fly well
enough to get a real job with an airline; pilots are prima donnas; and much
more BS. While there are examples of each of these groups that seem to bear out
those prejudices, there are many more individuals that don't.
Strapping on a certain machine or wearing a flight suit and helmet or uniform doesn't
mean a thing. Neither does wearing jeans.
Olen Goodwin
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <JHSTARN@VERIZON.NET>
I can only speak for myself. Many years ago I joined others in forming a CAF
Sq. at Rialto Airport. Most of us were not warbird owners but we all had a
love of flying, WWII history aircraft. Thanks to guys like Chuck Wentworth
I was able to get up close personal with AT-6's, PT-19, TBM, F4F and lots
of "ordinary" guys. The skills knowledge learned working on these old
birds paid off when I moved in next door to Gummi and helped in building
HRII N561FS. I now run our EAA chapters Young Eagles program and introduce
kids to wonderful world of flying and with our rivet classes to building.
But it all goes back to a few guys in CAF that let me get my hands dirty
working on their airplanes. Don't forget there are guys like me out there
that would join or help out if only asked. CAF keeps the dream alive just
like the EAA Chapters just on a larger scale. "Wannabie" yep that was and is
me alright and N561FS has flown lots of other "wanabie's" too and wouldn't
you know it several of them are now either builders and/or pilots. Next you
see a kid looking thru the fence at your airport wishing...., no praying,
for ride, look closer you may find his parents may looking too and they've
had the dream a lot longer. EAA the CAF are full of "wanabies" and God
Bless them, for without them the "real" pilots of WWII would not be able to
"show tell" at airshows with their grandkids about the good old days.
"Those who can DO, those who can't or won't, gripe about those who DO". To
me it's still the "Confederate Air Force".
Do Not Archive KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "John D. Heath" <ALTO_Q@DIRECWAY.COM>
To: <RV-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
-- RV-List message posted by: "John D. Heath" <ALTO_Q@DIRECWAY.COM>
The one's I flew do.
John D.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <AZPILOT@EXTREMEZONE.COM>
To: <RV-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
-- RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <AZPILOT@EXTREMEZONE.COM>
Hey, do helicopters count as warbirds?
Paul Besing
AH-64D Apache Longbow Driver
(not quite a war bird, but very effective!)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Denk
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
-- RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <AKROGUY@HOTMAIL.COM>
Brian,
While all this is in fun lets go back one step.
Being a FIGHTER PILOT is not a profession but way of life or maybe a
mental
attitude.
If you fly your plane safety, fly with-in your limits (you can fly to the
edge of your limits but not over), learn all there is to learn about
>
;flying
your plane, etc. etc. - you maybe a Fighter Pilot. Therefore, your plane
is
a fighter.
I can't believe I am saying this but even Doug maybe be a Fighter Pilot.
:-) I still hate him because he gets to fly P-51s, etc.
Brian, I will forgive you for building a RV-10 if you promise to go back
to
a single or two seat aircraft once the kids grow up. OK, you may have
grandkids by then so the forgiveness may be extended.
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Wild Weasel #1573
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
I'll always have the "guns guns guns!!! Turn until the skins wrinkle and
the
wso pukes" approach to flying....within my own limits...abilities
technical
and physical. As much as I also hate Doug, my hat's off to ya, man. You
done good, earned the right to fly the mil spec iron and do so safely. A
long while back I escorted you out of Double Eagle...in that long string
of
B-25's. Man, that was awesome! My -8 was breathing hard to keep up but
your
starboard side was well protected.
I fully intend to complete the fleet in the Denk Airborne Armada with an
RV3
when the -10 is alive and serving the family truckster role. Wally world
Wally world!! OK ok, who has to pee NOW??? Who's the moosiest moose
there
is....Marty Moose...
Egads...mov
ie flashback.
Keep the flying warrior spirit alive. It's in us all, whether in the
form
of a Luscombe 8 or RV-X, Rocket, hot air balloon.....NOT!!! Heh. Man,
talk
about a target rich environment...Albuquerque International Balloon
Fiesta....Grrrrrrr.....heater tone....FIRE! Boom! Scratch one special
shape. Hey, that flying Jim Beam bottle looks tasty...
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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BR>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds@macs.net>
> BTW, St. Johns, AZ probably has the lowest prices for 100 LL but is out of
> the way for this route.
I got "lured" into stopping at St. Johns on my way from Winslow to Roswell.
Fuel was a little cheaper, staff was nice, but it was out of the way and the
altitude is 6500 ft, the highest on my trip.
Yerington, NV is a nice stopover from Portland.
Watch out for all the Restricted Areas.
Watch out for the water in the fuel. Several FBOs said it because I was flying
so high. Never had it Virgnia!
Richard Reynolds, Norfolk VA RV-6A N841RV
Virginia is for flying lovers!
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: <groves@epix.net>
Two fellows are producing parts and restoring warbirds, a fellow by the name
of Odegaard and anothe by the name of Beck.
Odegaard is from Kindred,ND and Beck is from around Whapeton, ND my father-in-law
is a crop sprayer from Lisbon, ND and visits these guys often. Right now they
are rebuilding the red tail P-51c.
Kirk RV-8 Wings
>
> From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
> Date: 2005/01/24 Mon AM 11:54:53 EST
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
>
>
> "P-51A's being built from scratch in North Dakota"!!!! That got my
> attention.....who is doiing this? I wanna see....
>
> Thanks...
> Evan Johnson
> www.evansaviationproducts.com
> (530)247-0375
> (530)351-1776 cell
>
> do not archive
>
>
> From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
> : <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV's/Warbirds
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Here is an interesting topic. And one for which I have an opinion.
> > (imagine that)
> >
> > What is a warbird anyway? Some would say that a warbird is surplus
> military
> > airplane. Are the P-51A's being built from scratch in North Dakota
> > Warbirds? The pureist say no, but I say it depends, because I have a
> > different definition. I believe a Warbird is, "A tool we use to tell a
> > story."
> >
> > If anyone want to paint their RV up in Warbird colors of the Nigerian Air
> > Force and run around telling the story of how this country is being
> > inventive to teach their people to fly, then clearly that airplane is a
> > Warbird.
> >
> > If someone else wanted to paint an RV up in the Colors of the Tuskegee
> > Airmen and fly around the country telling young people that once upon a
> time
> > a whole group of people had no chance to fly and fight for their country,
> > but because of hard work, dicipline, and constancy of purpose, these men
> > changed the world, then that airplane would be a Warbird.
> >
> > Let me give an example, Tora Tora Tora flies a bunch of butchered up,
> highly
> > modified T-6's and BT-13 cross breeds painted up Like Zeros, Kates and
> Vals.
> > Does anyone not believe they are Warbirds? They absolutely and very
> > effectively tell a story. They clearly tell a story.
> >
> > Conversely there are surplus military airplanes flying around and their
> > primary purpose is to tell people about the weatlh of the owner. Hardly a
> > warbird in my book.
> >
> > That is my $.02 worth.
> >
> > Tailwinds,
> > Doug Rozendaal
> > lowly Warbird puke.....
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Breaking Dimple Dies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I think I remember one fella that had a c-frame that was somehow out a
alignment and had the same problems. Call Avery or whoever you got it from
and they can probably help you.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Tasker [mailto:retasker@optonline.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:50 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Breaking Dimple Dies
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
>
> Are holding the die down when you hit it? How high is the
> die when the spring lifts it out of the way?
>
> If you are letting the spring lift the die and then hit it,
> there is a significant probability that the die will not be
> quite lined up with each other (due to play in the bronze
> bearing in the c-frame) and will wear or break.
>
> When I use the c-frame to dimple my parts, I hold the die
> down against the part/other die when I hit it.
>
> Dick Tasker
>
> Jamie Painter wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter"
> <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
> >
> >
> >Fellow Listers:
> >
> >I'm now well into my wings on my -7A and last night was dimpling the
> >bottom skins in my c-frame tool. About half-way through the first
> >skin, the #40 dimple die broke!!! I wouldn't really be that
> concerned
> >about it but this is the third one that I've had break (one
> was a tank
> >die that I had borrowed from a friend). I can't understand
> what I'm doing wrong.
> >
> >When I'm dimpling, before striking the c-frame I always gently press
> >down to bring the male/female dies into alignment, then I
> release and
> >press down again to ensure that they are still aligned.
> >
> >I'm dimpling with usually two blows with the rubber mallot and I'm
> >making the dimple at the same 'crispness' as my pneumatic squeezer.
> >
> >Are any other builders having the same problem?
> >
> >Oh Yeah, I got my dies from Cleaveland.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Jamie
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =========
> Matronics Forums.
> =========
> =========
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Right Angle Drill |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
David Fenstermacher wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
>
>I have the "kit" sold by ACS. It was 175 bucks, or so.
>(Gift from Wife).
>Anyway, I like it. It has everything.
>
>You might also want to pick-up a "pancake drill". It gets in really tight
>spots, but is tough to hold on to.
>
>
I can't see how a pancake drill would be hard to hold on to, can you
tell why?
--
Chris W
Gift Giving Made Easy
Get the gifts you want &
give the gifts they want
http://thewishzone.com
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| Subject: | tank skin fit on wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gar Pessel" <pessel@ptialaska.net>
Building my first 9A wing. After fitting the leading edge and wing skins to the
spar and ribs, I assembled the tank with clecos and put it on the spar. The
fit is perfect everywhere except for a 1/32 gap between the tank skin trailing
edge and the top skin. It would be on top, of course. Twist is less than 2/32,
and the wing is as straight as I can measure with a 48 inch straight edge.
Any ideas on what I did wrong? I can think of only two solutions: 1) bondo 2)
go buy a piece of 032 and drill it out with the original skin as a guide with
a slightly longer edge at the front. Phooey.
Gar Pessel Stuck in the snow in Fairbanks AK.
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| Subject: | Re: Right Angle Drill |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
It's not really "hard".
The thing just gets a bit wiggly since it pivots at the driving end.
Trying to hold the drill and the pancake attachment all at once, in a tight
spot. Maybe it's just me, but the difficulty tolerance stack-up gets to
this eye-hand-coordinationally challenged builder.
do not archive
> [Original Message]
> From: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/24/2005 8:54:43 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Right Angle Drill
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W
<1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
>
> David Fenstermacher wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher"
<dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
> >
> >I have the "kit" sold by ACS. It was 175 bucks, or so.
> >(Gift from Wife).
> >Anyway, I like it. It has everything.
> >
> >You might also want to pick-up a "pancake drill". It gets in really
tight
> >spots, but is tough to hold on to.
> >
> >
> I can't see how a pancake drill would be hard to hold on to, can you
> tell why?
>
>
> --
> Chris W
>
> Gift Giving Made Easy
> Get the gifts you want &
> give the gifts they want
> http://thewishzone.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV's/Warbirds |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 01/24/2005 3:07:50 PM Central Standard Time,
jhstarn@verizon.net writes:
. Next you see a kid looking thru the fence at your airport wishing...., no
praying,
for ride, look closer you may find his parents may looking too and they've
had the dream a lot longer. EAA & the CAF are full of "wanabies" and God
Bless them, for without them the "real" pilots of WWII would not be able to
"show & tell" at airshows with their grandkids about the good old days.
"Those who can DO, those who can't or won't, gripe about those who DO". To
me it's still the "Confederate Air Force".
Do Not Archive KABONG
How arrogant to presume we "know" why some people devote millions of their
own $$$ to keep the ancient iron airworthy- I don't give a rats ass if it's
arrogance, pride, historical honor or WHAT, it means a lot to me just to see these
heroic machines still makin' neck hair stand on end every pass at an airshow-
Hell, I can barely afford an RV- if Hoot Gibson et al can afford to devote
their $$$ to showing off at OSH & elsewhere as long as the $$$ holds out, more
power to 'em! Thanks, John! You said it all- where do I sign up?
Mark & do not archive
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| Subject: | Thanks for Advice on SEA - PHX Routing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Wiegenstein" <n727jw@hellerwiegenstein.com>
Many thanks to everyone who replied, both on and off list, to my inquiry
regarding flight planning for my hoped-for trip from Seattle - Phoenix in
March. Now I just need good wx! If anyone wants to check with me
regarding the info I received, please email off list. Thanks again,
everyone - the RV community is really something :-)
John Wiegenstein
Hansville, WA
RV-6 N727JW
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| Subject: | Re: Breaking Dimple Dies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Jamie Painter wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>
>
>Fellow Listers:
>
>I'm now well into my wings on my -7A and last night was dimpling the bottom
>skins in my c-frame tool. About half-way through the first skin, the #40
>dimple die broke!!! I wouldn't really be that concerned about it but this is
>the third one that I've had break (one was a tank die that I had borrowed from
>a friend). I can't understand what I'm doing wrong.
>
>When I'm dimpling, before striking the c-frame I always gently press down to
>bring the male/female dies into alignment, then I release and press down again
>to ensure that they are still aligned.
>
>I'm dimpling with usually two blows with the rubber mallot and I'm making the
>dimple at the same 'crispness' as my pneumatic squeezer.
>
>Are any other builders having the same problem?
>
>Oh Yeah, I got my dies from Cleaveland.
>
>Thanks,
>Jamie
>
>
>
I've broken one die & it was because the c-frame wasn't perfectly
aligned & the sheet wasn't perfectly flat.
What works for me now is to hold the die down firmly with one hand &
strike one hard blow with the mallet. It's pretty impressive how hard
you can hit without deforming anything but the dimple itself.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Planning Woes |
--> RV-List message posted by: mkejrj@comcast.net
Craig,
Panel Planner, Instrument Panel Design Software,Copyright 1999 by One mile Up,
Inc.
Good luck with your panel.
Dick Jordan
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: Craig
>
>
> Which popular panel planning software let you astray?? I'd hate to run into the
> same problem.
>
> Craig Gallenbach
>
> RV8A .... just startin' but dreaming of panels
>
>
>
>
>
>
Craig,
Panel Planner, Instrument Panel Design Software,Copyright 1999 by One mile Up,
Inc.
Good luck with your panel.
Dick Jordan
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: Craig <CRAIGTXTX@YAHOO.COM>
Which popular panel planning software let you astray?? I'd hate to run into the
same problem.
Craig Gallenbach
RV8A .... just startin' but dreaming of panels
ww.matronics.com/subscription
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Comments from a slightly different perspective (I am not a warbird owner)
{SNIP}
[JEC:]
|>
|> Who cares about War-birds? Dont get me wrong, it is an honor to live in
|> the USA where we have freedom to build and fly experimental "Birds."
|> That freedom is thanks to the Men and Women who served in the past and
|> who serve today and in the future. Military planes are a tribute to
|> those who built them and served during that period in history. The
|> owners of warbids are not the heroes, but they do have money to maintain
|> them for future generations. That is all. Unfortunately, many of these
|> owner-pilots destroy them. Money and pilot skill is not mutually
|> related.
[JEC:]
Of course **most** of the warbird owners are not the heroes, though some
ARE.
Those owners that have the money AND *spend* the money to keep this special
history alive deserve (in my opinion) a "Thank You". I have had the pleasure
to meet a few of these individuals who were "as nice as the days are long".
On the other hand, I too have met a few whose arrogance and "elitist"
attitude gave a bad name to the genre but that is not everyone. Hey I have
even met a ***few*** RV owners who lower the likeability index of
Experimental Aircraft Owners, but I just disregard them as individuals. And
maybe that's your point below.
.
|>
|> I don't personally know many warbird owner-pilots, but their pride in
|> owning these rare planes and what it represents to all citizens is
|> understandable. Unfortunately the Warbird Associations in general (not
|> the planes) have earned an elitist reputation. From my personal
|> experience at Air shows it seems somewhat deserved. I love seeing the
|> planes in the "Warbird" area, but dont enjoy seeing overly enthusiastic
|> volunteers in antique military costumes, parade around shouting orders
|> at civilians. They dont want our RVs there, and I dont want to be there
[JEC:]
I think that in *some* of the cases, it is a matter of practicality. I have
had some affiliation with an effort that brought together a few warbirds and
a few RVs. We were concerned about where we parked and started planes so
that we did not have a B17 or a P51 blow over an RV on startup ... or maybe
even worse, taxi into one because it wasn't visible (yes there were plane
escorts and tugs).
|> either. Nice to visit but wouldn't want to park there. Again who cares?
|> Whatever floats your boat (your plane, your ego or whatever). "Birds of
|> a feather........"
[JEC:]
There are a few instances where "warbirds" and RVs co-mingle. The most
recent one I am aware of is when TeamRV + Falcon Flight + OhioValley +
Palmetto RV'ers (lead by Stu and Mike) flew a "B17" formation, carrying some
original Tuskegee Airmen in some of the RVs, were escorted by the only known
flying Red-Tailed P-51C Mustang ("Macon Belle"). The Mustang is owned (and
was flown) by Kermit Weeks of Fantasy of Flight. See
http://www.mstewart.net/teamrv and scroll down "Camden 04" and then on to
"What Did I Do?" for more details.
The point here is that warbird people and experimental people had a good
gathering that day and I suspect do so quite often in other venues as well.
James
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| Subject: | Re: tank skin fit on wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
Make sure the plastic has been removed from the inside of the tank skin as
that will cause some mis-alignment.I never checked the alignment on my tanks
before they were built but when you assemble them after building some gap
problems can be resolved by totating the tank aft and pulling the tank skin
against the wing skin and then tightening down the upper screws before
tightening the spar bolts and lower screws.
Albert Gardner
RV-9A 872RV
Yuma, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gar Pessel" <pessel@ptialaska.net>
Subject: RV-List: tank skin fit on wing
> Building my first 9A wing. After fitting the leading edge and wing skins
> to the spar and ribs, I assembled the tank with clecos and put it on the
> spar. The fit is perfect everywhere except for a 1/32 gap between the
> tank skin trailing edge and the top skin. It would be on top, of course.
> Twist is less than 2/32, and the wing is as straight as I can measure with
> a 48 inch straight edge.
> Any ideas on what I did wrong? I can think of only two solutions: 1)
> bondo 2) go buy a piece of 032 and drill it out with the original skin as
> a guide with a slightly longer edge at the front. Phooey.
> Gar Pessel Stuck in the snow in Fairbanks AK.
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