Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:21 AM - Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) (LarryRobertHelming)
2. 05:05 AM - Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s only (LarryRobertHelming)
3. 06:14 AM - Re: Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s only (Bryan Jones)
4. 06:49 AM - Re: aMESSAGE POSTED,CREDITED TO ME (bertrv6@highstream.net)
5. 07:11 AM - oil cooler hinge at the bottom? (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
6. 07:50 AM - Skytec (Dave Bristol)
7. 08:00 AM - Re: release the hounds (Evan and Megan Johnson)
8. 09:18 AM - RV Builder in Ft Myers, Fl (gerald conrad)
9. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Flying RVs in Greenbrier Valley (long) clamav-milter version 0.80j on opie.wvnet.edu (Randy Lervold)
10. 10:41 AM - Electronic Ignition and starting problems (Duane Zavadil)
11. 11:38 AM - Gascolators, Throttle Quad & Compass for sale (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
12. 11:55 AM - Re: Electronic Ignition and starting problems (Jeff Point)
13. 11:58 AM - Re: Electronic Ignition and starting problems (Ed Holyoke)
14. 12:33 PM - Re: Electronic Ignition and starting problems (Dale Mitchell)
15. 12:48 PM - Re: aMESSAGE POSTED,CREDITED TO ME (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
16. 02:51 PM - Re: Gascolators, Throttle Quad & Compass for sale (Greg Bartel)
17. 03:25 PM - Re: RV-4 Oil Cooler pictures (Charles Heathco)
18. 03:57 PM - Wig Wag (Lenleg@aol.com)
19. 05:16 PM - Re: release the hounds (Paul Besing)
20. 05:16 PM - (David Fenstermacher)
21. 05:30 PM - Re: lighted panel (Paul Besing)
22. 05:50 PM - Re: release the hounds (cgalley)
23. 05:51 PM - Re: (Dean)
24. 06:12 PM - Re: Wig Wag (Mike Nellis)
25. 08:16 PM - Re: Gascolators, Throttle Quad & Compass for sale (Jerry Grimmonpre)
26. 08:38 PM - Re: Wig Wag (Bob)
27. 08:48 PM - Re: Wig Wag (Larry Olson)
28. 09:49 PM - aviation humor (Tom Gummo)
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| Subject: | Re: Cool new tool (weight & balance database) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
A suggestion for Checkoway's weight and balance database: When doing the
flight weight scenarios, it would help to use the pilot's actual weight
rather than some constant figure like 210.
Thanks Dan for making the database available to everyone. AFAIK, I
currently have the heavy weight in the FP Sensenich configuration. Looking
for a contender/challenger.:-)
Snowing here today -- Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
Evansville, Indiana (just north of western Kentucky)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
>
> It's a brand new system, so there are bound to be some bugs...let me know
if
> you see anything funky!
>
> Enjoy,
> )_( Dan
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| Subject: | Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s only |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
It would be nice if Vans kept track of their customers and gave us a
call/letter/email when stuff like this happens.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb05-1-1.pdf
This looks like a fun thing to be doing for a (nearly) completed plane.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
Evansville, Indiana (just north of western Kentucky)
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| Subject: | Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s only |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bryan Jones" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Van does and has supplied customers with repair/test kits in the past based
upon inconsistent products going out the door. However, generally speaking,
if Van starts tracking builders, owners, second owners, registration
numbers, etc, etc. his cost goes up. Simple fact. Not to mention the
liability implication of Van assuming the need to track owners of a plane he
did not manufacture.
I'm personally quite happy with the system as-is. Simpler is always better.
2 cents
Bryan Jones
Houston
do not archive
>It would be nice if Vans kept track of their customers and gave us a
>call/letter/email when stuff like this happens.
>
>http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb05-1-1.pdf
>
>This looks like a fun thing to be doing for a (nearly) completed plane.
>
>Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
>
>Evansville, Indiana (just north of western Kentucky)
>
>
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| Subject: | aMESSAGE POSTED,CREDITED TO ME |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Quoting Terry Watson <terry@tcwatson.com>:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>
> Just like the recent post, about the rv, forced to land, here in
> Orlando,, that guy, invented more things than one can immagine..
>
>
> AS the say believe only half of what you read...
>
>
> Bert rv6a
>
> No, Bert, I think you just misread what he had to say. Here's a recent
> response to your comments, which you apparently missed:
> Terry
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
>
> The original post by Mr. Carpa included "I can not tell you who he was
> or what the tail number was " and "sure hope this was not the plane."
> Seems to me that the writer was only speculating that the plane he
> observed could have been the plane that had a forced landing. That
> plane, smelling of MO gas, with the pilot's wife and dog on board,
> apparently made it home without incident and was clearly not the plane
> belonging to your friend.
>
> Do not archive
>
> how about the tail number, listed....explain please...
Bert
>
>
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| Subject: | oil cooler hinge at the bottom? |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
It seems to me easier to manage the oil cooler door if it was hinged on the bottom
and not the top so it just flops down out of the way and stays there on a
windy day. Never seen it done so I must be missing something. Anyone been there
done that and have an opinion?
thx,
lucky
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It seems to me easier to manage the oil cooler door if it was hinged on the bottom
and not the top so it just flops down out of the way and stays there on a
windy day. Never seen it done so I must be missing something. Anyone been there
done that and have an opinion?
thx,
lucky
do not archive
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clamav-milter version 0.80j
on zoot.lafn.org
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Ok, maybe the third time will work. I replied to this message twice
before and it never showed up. I replied to several others in between
with no problems, but this one seems to be getting rejected for some
reason.
The subject is kind of stale now but the question was never answered so,
here it is ONE MORE TIME!
According to the Sky-Tec website, the built in solenoid is for
experimental aircraft only. Apparently certified aircraft have to use
the original solenoid, I guess because they were certified with it. So
there should be no problem with using only the Sky-Tec solenoid.
Using one big wire to both the starter and alternator may bring up
another problem though...like where do you put the circuit protection
(fuse/cb)? You ARE going to practice "safe" charging aren't you?
Dave -6 So Cal
EAA Technical Counselor
What about the wire from the alternator? Its hot all the time... You
could even go directly from the alternator, running one fat wire for
both the starter and alternator (I'm thinking about doing this on the
F1. If I can ever get some of my other 'projects' out of the way
first.) A friend wired his starter in his F1 without the unnecessary
contactor, now that it is flying the sky-tec starter spins the 540
like mad off of a odyssey battery located in the back. No noise, no
problems.
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| Subject: | Re: release the hounds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Nope....I think he vanished with my money. Bummer......I did recieve lots of
nice notes from you guys on the list though. I am apparantly not the only
person to have been taken advantage of by Brian so beware.
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Kuss" <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: release the hounds
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>
> Evan
> Any progress with this cretin?
> Charlie Kuss
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
<evmeg@snowcrest.net>
> >
> >Do any of you guys know how to reach Brian Baumgarner, formerly of Neosho
> >MO ? I've had it with this guy.....he has apparently split to Florida
> >somewhere leaving behind an $820.00 fuel tank bill which is years past
due
> >(literally). He called me in a desperate hurry for a new tank because he
> >had a damaged one on an airplane he had sold. I went out of pocket for
> >parts/labor and shipping costs to help him....only to be left hanging. I
> >have got to tell you, I never cease to be baffled when someone takes
> >advantage of my trust. Thankfully it rarely happens in this community,
and
> >I still routinely ship out finished product before billing. Airplane
folks
> >as a rule are well above average when it comes to honesty. Any help would
> >be appreciated.......As a matter of fact, I have a new airspeed indicator
> >(or donation for same amount to charity in your name) for whichever
person
> >recovers this lost revenue. I know this sounds harsh, but you have to
> >understand I have been polite in many pho!
> >ne calls and multiple letters and have received only empty promises of
> >payment. To me this is a significant amount of money and it would not be
> >fair to myself or my family to just let it go.
> >
> >
> >Regards.....
> >
> >
> >Evan Johnson
> >www.evansaviationproducts.com
> >(530)247-0375
> >(530)351-1776 cell
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RV Builder in Ft Myers, Fl |
--> RV-List message posted by: "gerald conrad" <gwcgwc@videotron.ca>
I'm wintering in Ft Myers. Is there someone with a RV project in the area that
I could visit. I could buck rivets.
Reply off line.
Gerry Conrad
RV-6A flying.........I left it in the snow.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flying RVs in Greenbrier Valley (long) clamav-milter |
version 0.80j on opie.wvnet.edu
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> When I was first deciding on what airplane to build at the EAA Arlington
> Fly-in about 12 years ago. One of the speakers during the RV presentation
> stated that the if the RV 3 was a 10 out of 10, then the RV4 would be a 9
> and the RV6 would be an 8, with a Cessna 172 as a 3. If the RV6 is an 8,
> then that RV3 must be some fun airplane. I can't even imagine flying
> getting much better than an RV6. I would love to try out a RV3 someday to
> see what a "10" is all about!
>
> Bob RV6
> NightFighter
Bob, that's music to my ears, I'm building an RV-3B. I have not flown a -3
yet but hear this sort of report from everyone who has. Can't wait!
Randy Lervold
www.rv-3.com
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| Subject: | Electronic Ignition and starting problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Zavadil" <dzavadil@hometownaccess.net>
I'd like to relate an experience and ask some questions.
I've got a 6A with an 0-320 with dual Electoair ignition. I had lot of problems
with kickback on starting that I attributed to low cranking speed. Upon rebuilding
the old Remy starter, the nature of the problem changed. Higher cranking
speed and less kickback but often when starting, particularly when cold, I
can crank away for up to 10 seconds with no luck but immediately upon releasing
the starter button, it often kicks off (and sometimes kicks back!). The bus
voltage drops into the 7-8 volt range when cranking. My guess is that the Electroair
ignition system is recieving inadequate voltage when cranking but when
the bus volatege jumps back up upon disengaging the starter, it resume operation(sometimes
with some odd transient that causes the kickback). By the way,
I found maintenance records of replacement of ring gear so this has probably
been going on for some time.
I'm inclined to add a second small battery such as one of small, 2-3 amp hour Yuasa
absorbed gel batterys that would be used for starting and backup. I would
like to take complexity out of the starting process and eliminate the potenial
for flying off with only the backup battery engaged by placing a normally closed
relay that is energized and opened by the starter relay primary circuit.
I would add a switch in series in this circuit to isolate the backup battery
from the rest of the systerm in the event that I needed to use it as a true backup
battery for the ignition system.
The plane is set up for night VFR, (vacuum system) and is sometimes flown that
way. It has an internally regulated alternator with Bob's crowbar OVP. I use an
Oddessy PC 725 and replace it annually (the old batterys work great in all kinds
of equipment around the place!).
Questions: Is there an easier way to fix the kickback such as a modern starter
( though I thought they drew higher current)?
Is it possible that the old Remy starter is somehow defective and drawing excess
current - causing the problem?
Is there a fatal flaw in the proposed backup scheme?
Sent via the WebMail system at hometownaccess.net
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| Subject: | Gascolators, Throttle Quad & Compass for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Howdy Folks- delete now if not shopping!
Got some airplane parts laying around y'all might need:
2 Vans gascolators, Model Gas-3 (I think- this is the earlier straight-thru
model) and a Gas-4, which appears to be the same as the firewall mount unit in
the Vans catalog, now listed as the Gas-5. The quick-drain and plug are
included. $50 each (probably have to paste the link back together or just go to
Van's website and search for "Gascolator")
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1107025980-232-408&brows
e=engines&product=vans-gascolator
DJM Manufacturing 3-lever throttle quadrant, Model CMC T3L shown here in the
ACS catalog:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/RVthrottlequads.php
This unit was previously fitted to an RV and has some mounting holes drilled
and slight clearance modifications made to it- fotos on request. $75
Ritchie M-Series Electronic Compass, Model M-2W. This is the 2-1/4" unit
with remote-mounted sensor- search the archives for references, a number of
builders have used these and reported they work well, I wound up using a PAI-700
instead as it fit my panel layout better. This was originally designed for
boating and has the blue face and white bezel. I have machined an aluminum bezel
to mount it flush behind the panel which is painted black (included)- fotos on
request. $75
Thanks- Mark Phillips, Columbia, TN - do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition and starting problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
I think a modern starter would take care of the problem. I had a
similar situation with kickbacks which ruined a starter. One detail you
didn't mention is what kind of prop you have? My theory is that the
combination of a light prop (I have a wood) small battery (opposed to
the old 35A 75LB monsters) and high current draw starter is a no-no.
This was the setup I had which caused the problems. I replaced only the
starter and solved all my problems. Some modern starters do draw very
high current, for example the Skytec flyweight model, and for this
reason I would stay away from it. I bought a B&C and I love it. I can
almost get the tail up on starter power alone, and I think the higher
inertia of a faster turning prop helps prevent kickbacks.
As for the voltage problems with the EI, I would try a new starter first
and I think you'll find the problems go away. I would also try this
question out on the Aeroelectric list and see what Bob thinks.
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
>
>
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| Subject: | Electronic Ignition and starting problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Hi Duane,
My thinking is that, if you're going to have both ignitions dependant on
electricity, they should be each wired directly to separate batteries.
You can have more than one battery on a charging circuit. Just put
another contactor on for it. Say you were to use a smaller battery for
the #2 ignition. Make sure that it has enough amp hrs to support that
ignition for a full tank of gas or you can use two batteries of the same
size and rotate the year old battery to the #2 spot every year and never
have a battery more than two years old in the plane. If you do that, you
can start off of either or both batteries. I'd start off one battery and
leave that ignition off until started. That way you'd have one ignition
firing off a battery at 12.5 volts and don't have to worry about the
starter dragging it down.
Check out the AeroElectric connection:
http://aeroelectric.com/
and/or subscribe to the AeroElectric list:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/
I don't know how much voltage the Electroair ignition needs to fire, but
I've never had any problem starting with a lightspeed ignition on the
sole battery with the starter even with the magneto turned off. Good
luck.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
RV-6a flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duane Zavadil
Subject: RV-List: Electronic Ignition and starting problems
--> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Zavadil"
<dzavadil@hometownaccess.net>
I'd like to relate an experience and ask some questions.
I've got a 6A with an 0-320 with dual Electoair ignition. I had lot of
problems with kickback on starting that I attributed to low cranking
speed. Upon rebuilding the old Remy starter, the nature of the problem
changed. Higher cranking speed and less kickback but often when
starting, particularly when cold, I can crank away for up to 10 seconds
with no luck but immediately upon releasing the starter button, it often
kicks off (and sometimes kicks back!). The bus voltage drops into the
7-8 volt range when cranking. My guess is that the Electroair ignition
system is recieving inadequate voltage when cranking but when the bus
volatege jumps back up upon disengaging the starter, it resume
operation(sometimes with some odd transient that causes the kickback).
By the way, I found maintenance records of replacement of ring gear so
this has probably been going on for some time.
I'm inclined to add a second small battery such as one of small, 2-3 amp
hour Yuasa absorbed gel batterys that would be used for starting and
backup. I would like to take complexity out of the starting process and
eliminate the potenial for flying off with only the backup battery
engaged by placing a normally closed relay that is energized and opened
by the starter relay primary circuit. I would add a switch in series in
this circuit to isolate the backup battery from the rest of the systerm
in the event that I needed to use it as a true backup battery for the
ignition system.
The plane is set up for night VFR, (vacuum system) and is sometimes
flown that way. It has an internally regulated alternator with Bob's
crowbar OVP. I use an Oddessy PC 725 and replace it annually (the old
batterys work great in all kinds of equipment around the place!).
Questions: Is there an easier way to fix the kickback such as a modern
starter ( though I thought they drew higher current)?
Is it possible that the old Remy starter is somehow defective and
drawing excess current - causing the problem?
Is there a fatal flaw in the proposed backup scheme?
Sent via the WebMail system at hometownaccess.net
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition and starting problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dale Mitchell <dfm4290@yahoo.com>
One idea to help would be to get the engine cranking
fast then turn on the electronic ignition.
One other idea is to put a magneto that goes 0 degrees
BTC and use it to start the engine.
Dale Mitchell
--- Duane Zavadil <dzavadil@hometownaccess.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Zavadil"
> <dzavadil@hometownaccess.net>
>
> I'd like to relate an experience and ask some
> questions.
>
> I've got a 6A with an 0-320 with dual Electoair
> ignition. I had lot of problems with kickback on
> starting that I attributed to low cranking speed.
> Upon rebuilding the old Remy starter, the nature of
> the problem changed. Higher cranking speed and less
> kickback but often when starting, particularly when
> cold, I can crank away for up to 10 seconds with no
> luck but immediately upon releasing the starter
> button, it often kicks off (and sometimes kicks
> back!). The bus voltage drops into the 7-8 volt
> range when cranking. My guess is that the
> Electroair ignition system is recieving inadequate
> voltage when cranking but when the bus volatege
> jumps back up upon disengaging the starter, it
> resume operation(sometimes with some odd transient
> that causes the kickback). By the way, I found
> maintenance records of replacement of ring gear so
> this has probably been going on for some time.
>
> I'm inclined to add a second small battery such as
> one of small, 2-3 amp hour Yuasa absorbed gel
> batterys that would be used for starting and backup.
> I would like to take complexity out of the starting
> process and eliminate the potenial for flying off
> with only the backup battery engaged by placing a
> normally closed relay that is energized and opened
> by the starter relay primary circuit. I would add a
> switch in series in this circuit to isolate the
> backup battery from the rest of the systerm in the
> event that I needed to use it as a true backup
> battery for the ignition system.
>
> The plane is set up for night VFR, (vacuum system)
> and is sometimes flown that way. It has an
> internally regulated alternator with Bob's crowbar
> OVP. I use an Oddessy PC 725 and replace it annually
> (the old batterys work great in all kinds of
> equipment around the place!).
>
> Questions: Is there an easier way to fix the
> kickback such as a modern starter ( though I thought
> they drew higher current)?
>
> Is it possible that the old Remy starter is somehow
> defective and drawing excess current - causing the
> problem?
>
> Is there a fatal flaw in the proposed backup scheme?
>
>
> Sent via the WebMail system at hometownaccess.net
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: aMESSAGE POSTED,CREDITED TO ME |
--> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/29/05 9:50:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bertrv6@highstream.net writes:
>
The tail number was listed in the subject line by someone else.
The tail number was in the NTSB report.
Here is the post "Mr Capra" Sent
*************************************************************
You know......I was standing on the flight line when a RV-6 was leaving LAL
at the fly-in and made the comment 3 times that I smelled gas.......MO-gas.
The owner of the leaving RV-6 said he had just stuck the tanks and that
must be it...I asked if he was running car gas and he said yes.
I can not tell you who he was or what the tail number was
but I think he had his dog and wife with him.......sure hope this was not the
plane that never made the runway and if it was he had a leak and should be
glad
there was no fire.
The owner listed to the RV 6 ....N654PJ=A0isPaul Pajak.
******************************************************************************
********
That is the post and the spacing as it was sent. The first statements
are fact.
The last statement is fact from landings.com or google.com
The reason for the original post was to see if they were indeed the
same plane.......as you have pointed out they were not.
Do not archive
"Mr. Capra"
RV-4
RV-8 QB....wings
Sal Capra
Lakeland, FL.
My Home Page
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| Subject: | Re: Gascolators, Throttle Quad & Compass for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Bartel" <mainblades@comcast.net>
I was recently at Vans and saw a throttle quadrant that looked very similar
to the ones that Aircraft Spruce sells. The one I saw had a tag on it that
said 7,9,10. When I asked, it was my impression that these had mounting
provisions for the 7,9 and 10. I was told that they'd be available soon.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Gascolators, Throttle Quad & Compass for sale
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> Howdy Folks- delete now if not shopping!
>
> Got some airplane parts laying around y'all might need:
>
> 2 Vans gascolators, Model Gas-3 (I think- this is the earlier
straight-thru
> model) and a Gas-4, which appears to be the same as the firewall mount
unit in
> the Vans catalog, now listed as the Gas-5. The quick-drain and plug are
> included. $50 each (probably have to paste the link back together or just
go to
> Van's website and search for "Gascolator")
>
>
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1107025980-232-408&brows
> e=engines&product=vans-gascolator
>
> DJM Manufacturing 3-lever throttle quadrant, Model CMC T3L shown here in
the
> ACS catalog:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/RVthrottlequads.php
>
> This unit was previously fitted to an RV and has some mounting holes
drilled
> and slight clearance modifications made to it- fotos on request. $75
>
> Ritchie M-Series Electronic Compass, Model M-2W. This is the 2-1/4" unit
> with remote-mounted sensor- search the archives for references, a number
of
> builders have used these and reported they work well, I wound up using a
PAI-700
> instead as it fit my panel layout better. This was originally designed
for
> boating and has the blue face and white bezel. I have machined an
aluminum bezel
> to mount it flush behind the panel which is painted black (included)-
fotos on
> request. $75
>
> Thanks- Mark Phillips, Columbia, TN - do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 Oil Cooler pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Hey Mon, you ever get any pix of that oil cooler control? I sent you a
scetch a week or so ago, asking for coments on how you fixed the door.
charlie Heathco
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-4 Oil Cooler pictures
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
I have a really cool (pun intended) set up with the oil cooler mounted
on a bracket that is mounted to the engine mount behind cylinder #3. I
will send photos when I quit flying long enough to pull the cowl and
take some. The hoses have never flexed enough to cause problems in over
800 hours. The bracket is solidly mounted with the bolts going through
STEEL tubing where they pass through the cooler. The mount itself is
made of 4130 steel tubing.
My set up is a two inch scat taken off the rear baffle and into a duct
system welded out of aluminum with a simple gate at the back of the
cooler, also mounted to a welded duct with a 3 inch hole going out the
back. The cooler door, of course, is controlled from the cockpit. I have
to block the intake partially below 70 degrees average OAT and almost
completely below 50 degrees average. I also have a piece of cylinder
ducting to get cool air into the oil cooler intake that is taken off as
the OAT cools. It keeps the air into the cooler cooler (!) and the air
to the cylinder away from the air going into the cooler which better
cools the cylinder. Or something like that.
I have NEVER gotten to redline oil temperature, or even close, even in
long climbs to altitude in summer heat. I open the gate at oil
temperatures above about 180, keeping it closed for takeoff. YMMV; the
-4s don't usually have heating problems anyway. Keeping things warm is
occasionally the problem. Ask me about average cylinder head
temperatures: they are WAAAAY below redline.
Michael
RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
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--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
Anybody give me the contact info for Bob Haan ... producer of the Wig Wag????
Thanks !!
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
315 hrs
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| Subject: | release the hounds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
He must not have a current medical, because I did a search of the FAA
database (which only includes current medical holders) to try and get an
address.
Any law enforcement on this list? A quick search should at least get an
address.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
Kitlog Builder's Software
www.kitlog.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Evan and Megan
Johnson
Subject: Re: RV-List: release the hounds
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
<evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Nope....I think he vanished with my money. Bummer......I did recieve lots of
nice notes from you guys on the list though. I am apparantly not the only
person to have been taken advantage of by Brian so beware.
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Kuss" <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: release the hounds
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>
> Evan
> Any progress with this cretin?
> Charlie Kuss
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
<evmeg@snowcrest.net>
> >
> >Do any of you guys know how to reach Brian Baumgarner, formerly of Neosho
> >MO ? I've had it with this guy.....he has apparently split to Florida
> >somewhere leaving behind an $820.00 fuel tank bill which is years past
due
> >(literally). He called me in a desperate hurry for a new tank because he
> >had a damaged one on an airplane he had sold. I went out of pocket for
> >parts/labor and shipping costs to help him....only to be left hanging. I
> >have got to tell you, I never cease to be baffled when someone takes
> >advantage of my trust. Thankfully it rarely happens in this community,
and
> >I still routinely ship out finished product before billing. Airplane
folks
> >as a rule are well above average when it comes to honesty. Any help would
> >be appreciated.......As a matter of fact, I have a new airspeed indicator
> >(or donation for same amount to charity in your name) for whichever
person
> >recovers this lost revenue. I know this sounds harsh, but you have to
> >understand I have been polite in many pho!
> >ne calls and multiple letters and have received only empty promises of
> >payment. To me this is a significant amount of money and it would not be
> >fair to myself or my family to just let it go.
> >
> >
> >Regards.....
> >
> >
> >Evan Johnson
> >www.evansaviationproducts.com
> >(530)247-0375
> >(530)351-1776 cell
> >
> >
>
>
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"rv8list" <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>
1.16 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header
0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
I'm building the wing.
Question. The plans show the left wing. No problem, cleco'd that one.
When I get to the right, do I reverse the "hand" of the ribs. 710R; 711R; 711L;
712R, etc for the left wing.
Would I then reverse the L's and R's for the right wing?
Man, am I stuck. HELP
Dave
David Fenstermacher
dfenstermacher@earthlink.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Steve cut the panel, and the matching overlay. Then I purchased some EL
lighting and power supply and laid it in the panel. The overlay is reverse
engraved, with a layer of clear on the front, which is how the lighting
shines through. Looked great! Was alot of work, though.
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing/panel/panel.htm
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
Kitlog Builder's Software
www.kitlog.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of james freeman
Subject: Re: RV-List: lighted panel
--> RV-List message posted by: james freeman <flyeyes@mac.com>
That was probably Paul Besing's RV6, done by Steve Davis. I don't have
the url handy, but Paul monitors the list
On Jan 27, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Evan and Megan Johnson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
> <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
>
> A while back I had a link to a super nice lighted panel which I have
> apparantly lost. It was a laser etched plastic overlay which made the
> whole thing light up like a sports car dash. Anybody know where on the
> web it is? Thanks in advance...
>
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| Subject: | Re: release the hounds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Not necessarily, he could have asked not to make it public.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: release the hounds
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> He must not have a current medical, because I did a search of the FAA
> database (which only includes current medical holders) to try and get an
> address.
>
> Any law enforcement on this list? A quick search should at least get an
> address.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold
> RV-10 Soon
> Kitlog Builder's Software
> www.kitlog.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Evan and Megan
> Johnson
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: release the hounds
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
> <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
>
> Nope....I think he vanished with my money. Bummer......I did recieve lots
of
> nice notes from you guys on the list though. I am apparantly not the only
> person to have been taken advantage of by Brian so beware.
>
> Evan Johnson
> www.evansaviationproducts.com
> (530)247-0375
> (530)351-1776 cell
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlie Kuss" <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: release the hounds
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
> >
> > Evan
> > Any progress with this cretin?
> > Charlie Kuss
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
> <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
> > >
> > >Do any of you guys know how to reach Brian Baumgarner, formerly of
Neosho
> > >MO ? I've had it with this guy.....he has apparently split to Florida
> > >somewhere leaving behind an $820.00 fuel tank bill which is years past
> due
> > >(literally). He called me in a desperate hurry for a new tank because
he
> > >had a damaged one on an airplane he had sold. I went out of pocket for
> > >parts/labor and shipping costs to help him....only to be left hanging.
I
> > >have got to tell you, I never cease to be baffled when someone takes
> > >advantage of my trust. Thankfully it rarely happens in this community,
> and
> > >I still routinely ship out finished product before billing. Airplane
> folks
> > >as a rule are well above average when it comes to honesty. Any help
would
> > >be appreciated.......As a matter of fact, I have a new airspeed
indicator
> > >(or donation for same amount to charity in your name) for whichever
> person
> > >recovers this lost revenue. I know this sounds harsh, but you have to
> > >understand I have been polite in many pho!
> > >ne calls and multiple letters and have received only empty promises of
> > >payment. To me this is a significant amount of money and it would not
be
> > >fair to myself or my family to just let it go.
> > >
> > >
> > >Regards.....
> > >
> > >
> > >Evan Johnson
> > >www.evansaviationproducts.com
> > >(530)247-0375
> > >(530)351-1776 cell
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Dave
The normal aircraft drawing convention is " left hand shown " and " right
hand opposite " unless there is something different that applies only to one
side. The pitot installation is the first example that comes to mind. My
RV-9A RH wing structure is 100% opposite per my recollection.
Dean Van Winkle Retired Aero Engineer
RV-9A Fus/Finish
Illinois
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Fenstermacher" <dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
"rv8list" <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher"
<dfenstermacher@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm building the wing.
> Question. The plans show the left wing. No problem, cleco'd that one.
> When I get to the right, do I reverse the "hand" of the ribs. 710R; 711R;
711L; 712R, etc for the left wing.
> Would I then reverse the L's and R's for the right wing?
> Man, am I stuck. HELP
>
> Dave
>
>
> David Fenstermacher
> dfenstermacher@earthlink.net
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mike Nellis <mike@bmnellis.com>
Hi Len,
I don't think Bob Haan is making his version of the Wig Wag any longer.
However, Bob Nuckols has the schemetic for a version using an
automotive flasher that can be see here
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/WigWag/WigWag.pdf
Additionally, Bill Vondane has nice unit on his CreativeAir website
here
http://www.creativair.com/cva/index.php?cPath=24&osCsid=7d3cba5a8de98ebe908f53868b4a2726
Hope this helps.
--
Mike Nellis
Austin, TX
CMRA #32 Honda RC51
'97 YZF1000
'47 Stinson 108-2; RV6 (Fuselage)
http://bmnellis.com
Lenleg@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
>Anybody give me the contact info for Bob Haan ... producer of the Wig Wag????
>
>Thanks !!
>
>Len Leggette, RV-8A
>Greensboro, NC N910LL
>315 hrs
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gascolators, Throttle Quad & Compass for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Gascolators, Throttle Quad & Compass for sale
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> Howdy Folks- delete now if not shopping!
>
> Got some airplane parts laying around y'all might need:
>
> 2 Vans gascolators, Model Gas-3 (I think- this is the earlier
> straight-thru
> model) and a Gas-4, which appears to be the same as the firewall mount
> unit in
> the Vans catalog, now listed as the Gas-5. The quick-drain and plug are
> included. $50 each (probably have to paste the link back together or just
> go to
> Van's website and search for "Gascolator")
>
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1107025980-232-408&brows
> e=engines&product=vans-gascolator
>
> DJM Manufacturing 3-lever throttle quadrant, Model CMC T3L shown here in
> the
> ACS catalog:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/RVthrottlequads.php
>
> This unit was previously fitted to an RV and has some mounting holes
> drilled
> and slight clearance modifications made to it- fotos on request. $75
>
> Ritchie M-Series Electronic Compass, Model M-2W. This is the 2-1/4" unit
> with remote-mounted sensor- search the archives for references, a number
> of
> builders have used these and reported they work well, I wound up using a
> PAI-700
> instead as it fit my panel layout better. This was originally designed
> for
> boating and has the blue face and white bezel. I have machined an
> aluminum bezel
> to mount it flush behind the panel which is painted black (included)-
> fotos on
> request. $75
>
> Thanks- Mark Phillips, Columbia, TN - do not archive
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
Hi Len,
I bought mine from Eric Jones - www.PerihelionDesign.com . . . a
little pricey but a neat, simple, self-contained unit that is easy to
install . . . I hooked in up on the bench with my landing lights and
it worked as advertised!
Regards,
Bob
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:53:51 EST, Lenleg@aol.com <Lenleg@aol.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> Anybody give me the contact info for Bob Haan ... producer of the Wig Wag????
>
> Thanks !!
>
> Len Leggette, RV-8A
> Greensboro, NC N910LL
> 315 hrs
>
>
>
--
Thanks,
Bob
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Olson <lolson@doitnow.com>
Here is contact info for Bob Haan
503-579-3675
bhaan@easystreet.com
14270 SW Koven Ct
Tigard, OR 97224
They were $90 when I bought mine
Works absolutely flawlessly
No brainer - plug-n-play
Larry Olson
RV6 DVT
>Anybody give me the contact info for Bob Haan ... producer of the Wig Wag????
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"SoCal RV List" <socal-rvlist@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
I gave Dot (An EAA member of my chapter) a ride in the Rocket the other day and
she wrote a poem based on "Green Eggs and Ham".
GREEN DOT, NO SPAM
(With apologies to Dr. Seuss & others)
An invitation I got one day,
Gummy Bear said, "Let's go play.
My rocket is in good repair
And so to you I give a dare.
Go upside-down we surely will,
And round and round is better still".
My heart was filled with fear and dread
For upside down I'd never been.
And so, in silence, my mind said....
"I would not, could not, Gummy Bear.
I would not, could not anywhere;
Not in the day,
Not in the night,
Not near the ground
Nor up at height.
I could not do it, Gummy Bear.
I could not do it anywhere".
Then later he said, "My prop is broke.
I can't go fly, my heart is broke.
I cannot fly you upside-down.
I cannot fly you over town.
I cannot fly you through the air.
I cannot fly you anywhere.
I'm really sorry, my friend Dot.
It's purely sad, no prop I got."
So I thought I was off the spot. (whew).
Saturday came and unprepared,
I ran into Gummy standing there
Beside his Rocket, looking great,
Propeller mounted nice and straight.
"We're going flying", Gummy crowed.
"And we'll be upside-down and rolled.
My rocket's tested, flying fine,
So when the meeting ends...it's TIME".
And time it was, so out we went
To prep the Rocket we were bent.
The briefing was a thing of beauty.
Gummy seriously took his duty.
Then when I was all strapped and seated,
Like a prisoner, justice meted,
Gummy shouted "CLEAR" and started
Up the engine. It sort of.......hesitated.
Then roared to life and smooth as purring,
We taxied to the runway luring.
And I thought to myself as we S-turned along,
I could not, should not, Gummy Bear!
Go upside-downish ANYWHERE!
A nice old runup we employed,
And an up sharp takeoff we enjoyed.
The power, Oh, the Rocket power!
It felt like we could leap a tower.
Gummy made that airplane zoom
In a sky of insufficient room
For airplanes made of stuff like that.
It was then that Gummy began to chat
Of crisp controls and snappy rolls.
If I'd take the stick and test them out,
I'd be surprised; I'd have to shout.
So I grabbed the stick, moved to and fro,
And back and forth, and high and low,
But Gummy thought I'd been too timid,
So he, himself, showed me the limits.
"Wow!" I thought, and, "Yikes!" I squealed.
The plane responded, banked and wheeled,
And then he said, "It's time to ROLL!
Are you ready, Dotty? Here we go!"
Would I? Could I? Did I dare?
Why should I fear it, Gummy Bear?
I grabbed his seat and closed my eyes.
Then it was over, a swift surprise.
I couldn't believe it had happened so fast,
And I, still alive, was sorry it passed,
And also, doggone, it happened TOO fast!
So -
I asked if we could try it again,
And Gummy said, "Sure, let's speed up the plane."
Determined to keep my eyes open this time,
Before I knew it, we'd spun on a dime.
(I was glad I didn't wear a scarf,
for into it I'd have had to barf.
Just kidding, my friends, it wasn't half bad.
If you get to try it, you sure won't be sad.)
We drilled the air.
We spun up there.
We turned and zipped,
And rolled and flipped.
We really did it, Gummy Bear!
We upside-downed it way up there!
Old hat for you, but new to me,
Imagination filled with glee
At all the stuff this plane could do-
rolls, steep climbs and speedily, too!
But now it's over, we must return.
Young Eagles to fly. They want to learn.
So back we go and down we land,
A greaser for sure, done with Gummy's fine hand
A pilot's life is filled with joy
When the air becomes a giant toy.
Unlikely upside down I'd dare...
So -
I'm glad you asked me, Gummy Bear.
Please - Do Not Archive
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